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	<title>Comments on: Bush Promises To &#8216;Knock Our Socks Off&#8217; At SOTU With 5 Year Old &#8216;Energy Independence&#8217; Pledge</title>
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		<title>By: Scrutiny Hooligans &#187; Rounding Up</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-3009695</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrutiny Hooligans &#187; Rounding Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Up   By Screwy Hoolie  &#8220;Yesterday, the Financial Times reported that energy â€œwill be a central theme of President George [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Testy Hooligans - If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your ch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Testy Hooligans - If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Up   By Screwy Hoolie &#8220;Yesterday, the Financial Times reported that energy â€œwill be a central theme of President George [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Think Progress &#187; SOTU: U.S. Foreign Oil Dependence Has Increased Under Bush</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-1511747</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Progress &#187; SOTU: U.S. Foreign Oil Dependence Has Increased Under Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FACT &#8212; DESPITE PAST RHETORIC, FOREIGN OIL DEPENDENCE HAS INCREASED: President Bush has pledged to reduce our energy dependence in every State of the Union he has delivered since taking office. At the same time, the United States has become increasingly dependent on foreign oil, from 58 percent of oil consumed in the U.S. in 2000 to 70 percent in September 2006. U.S. dependence on OPEC nations for oil imports &#8220;has risen to its highest level in 15 years.&#8221; By focusing on expanding domestic exploration, he perpetuates our dependence on oil. [ThinkProgress, 1/3/07; Department of Energy; Financial Times, 1/2/07] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FACT &#8212; DESPITE PAST RHETORIC, FOREIGN OIL DEPENDENCE HAS INCREASED: President Bush has pledged to reduce our energy dependence in every State of the Union he has delivered since taking office. At the same time, the United States has become increasingly dependent on foreign oil, from 58 percent of oil consumed in the U.S. in 2000 to 70 percent in September 2006. U.S. dependence on OPEC nations for oil imports &#8220;has risen to its highest level in 15 years.&#8221; By focusing on expanding domestic exploration, he perpetuates our dependence on oil. [ThinkProgress, 1/3/07; Department of Energy; Financial Times, 1/2/07] [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1511747', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Moderation</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-1419271</link>
		<dc:creator>Moderation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I am not proposing nuclear as an even near-permanent solution.  But ~3 cubic meters of waste per plant per year?  Even with the tricky nature of storing it (underground, surrounded by water, away from urban areas and wildlife area, etc), that is miniscule compared to the sheer amount of CRAP fossil fuel dumps into the environment, it seems to be an overall better use of our resources.

Nuclear power must be thought of as a cleaner stepping stone between fossil fuels and the future, clean, renewable energy sources that will replace both (I&#039;m looking at you, fusion, solar, hydro, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I am not proposing nuclear as an even near-permanent solution.  But ~3 cubic meters of waste per plant per year?  Even with the tricky nature of storing it (underground, surrounded by water, away from urban areas and wildlife area, etc), that is miniscule compared to the sheer amount of CRAP fossil fuel dumps into the environment, it seems to be an overall better use of our resources.</p>
<p>Nuclear power must be thought of as a cleaner stepping stone between fossil fuels and the future, clean, renewable energy sources that will replace both (I&#8217;m looking at you, fusion, solar, hydro, etc).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1419271', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Moderation</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-1419255</link>
		<dc:creator>Moderation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I disagree. Nuclear technology is more expensive than most of other energy conversion systems. Add that the pellet-producing process. And you can use solar conversion systems to produce hydrogen out of water by electrolysis. Nuclear technology is not an option until there is 100% clean and safe way to dispose nuclear waste. But I agree that the fuel of the future will be hydrogen.

Comment by Juan C â€” January 3, 2007 @ 2:04 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Here&#039;s the funny think about nuclear waste, though, Juan.  It takes up an incredibly small amount of space, and so long as it is stored properly so that radiation is contained (in leaded concrete bunkers, with Japanese-skyscraper-style motion so that they are all but impervious to earthquakes and the like), the risk is incredibly small compared to other forms of comparable energy providers.  That much is known.  

What we don&#039;t know is what to do with it beyond that.  &lt;em&gt;BUT&lt;/em&gt;, think about it with this in mind:  Do you think we can find a legitimate technological use for such extremely rare substances?  Especially considering that we have a large timeframe with which to work until there it becomes dangerous?  

What&#039;s more, by the time it becomes a problem (hundreds, perhaps thousands of years from now, as opposed to the vastly closer fossil fuel dilemma), we could very easily be exploring space, and could store it on a desolate moon or asteroid.  That&#039;s only if we haven&#039;t found another use for it by then.  I highly doubt that will be the case at our current rate of progress.  We could &quot;merely&quot; discover how to make it inert with efficiency and safety.  Or the &quot;waste&quot; could become a source of energy or raw material for some other important industrial application.  Perhaps space travel itself.

In the short term, nuclear power would give the whole world a huge energy supply until another alternative is found.  With how safe it has become over the decades since it&#039;s inception, nuclear power has serious potential to relieve the world of the wars for energy that have so dominated the international scene for so very, very long.

And once we discover the the next great source of energy, such as fusion power, or whatever completely unknown and unforeseen sources of energy lie in our future, nuclear power, like fossil fuels, can be discarded like yesterday&#039;s news.

All of that without even counting the supplementation of such a fuel source with solar power, wind power, hydro power, etc.  Humanity was bamboozled into giving up nuclear power by the vitriolic rhetoric spewed by the industries threatened by it.  Wonder which industries?  Hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I disagree. Nuclear technology is more expensive than most of other energy conversion systems. Add that the pellet-producing process. And you can use solar conversion systems to produce hydrogen out of water by electrolysis. Nuclear technology is not an option until there is 100% clean and safe way to dispose nuclear waste. But I agree that the fuel of the future will be hydrogen.</p>
<p>Comment by Juan C â€” January 3, 2007 @ 2:04 pm</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the funny think about nuclear waste, though, Juan.  It takes up an incredibly small amount of space, and so long as it is stored properly so that radiation is contained (in leaded concrete bunkers, with Japanese-skyscraper-style motion so that they are all but impervious to earthquakes and the like), the risk is incredibly small compared to other forms of comparable energy providers.  That much is known.  </p>
<p>What we don&#8217;t know is what to do with it beyond that.  <em>BUT</em>, think about it with this in mind:  Do you think we can find a legitimate technological use for such extremely rare substances?  Especially considering that we have a large timeframe with which to work until there it becomes dangerous?  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, by the time it becomes a problem (hundreds, perhaps thousands of years from now, as opposed to the vastly closer fossil fuel dilemma), we could very easily be exploring space, and could store it on a desolate moon or asteroid.  That&#8217;s only if we haven&#8217;t found another use for it by then.  I highly doubt that will be the case at our current rate of progress.  We could &#8220;merely&#8221; discover how to make it inert with efficiency and safety.  Or the &#8220;waste&#8221; could become a source of energy or raw material for some other important industrial application.  Perhaps space travel itself.</p>
<p>In the short term, nuclear power would give the whole world a huge energy supply until another alternative is found.  With how safe it has become over the decades since it&#8217;s inception, nuclear power has serious potential to relieve the world of the wars for energy that have so dominated the international scene for so very, very long.</p>
<p>And once we discover the the next great source of energy, such as fusion power, or whatever completely unknown and unforeseen sources of energy lie in our future, nuclear power, like fossil fuels, can be discarded like yesterday&#8217;s news.</p>
<p>All of that without even counting the supplementation of such a fuel source with solar power, wind power, hydro power, etc.  Humanity was bamboozled into giving up nuclear power by the vitriolic rhetoric spewed by the industries threatened by it.  Wonder which industries?  Hmmmm.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1419255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unClog &#187; Actions, Words, seldom the twain do meet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-1387994</link>
		<dc:creator>unClog &#187; Actions, Words, seldom the twain do meet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bush energy talk and energy policy&#8230; Go figure. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Draiman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-3/#comment-1383133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Draiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MANDATORY RENEWABLE ENERGY â€“ THE ENERGY EVOLUTION â€“R3

In order to insure energy and economic independence as well as better economic growth without being blackmailed by foreign countries, our country, the United States of Americaâ€™s Utilization of Energy sources must change. 
&quot;Energy drives our entire economy.&quot;  We must protect it.  &quot;Let&#039;s face it, without energy the whole economy and economic society we have set up would come to a halt. So you want to have control over such an important resource that you need for your society and your economy.&quot;
Our continued dependence on fossil fuels could and will lead to catastrophic consequences.

The federal, state and local government should implement a mandatory renewable energy installation program for residential and commercial property on new construction and remodeling projects with the use of energy efficient material, mechanical systems, appliances, lighting, etc.  The source of energy must by renewable energy such as Solar-Photovoltaic, Geothermal, Wind, Biofuels, etc. including utilizing water from lakes, rivers and oceans to circulate in cooling towers to produce air conditioning and the utilization of proper landscaping to reduce energy consumption.

The implementation of mandatory renewable energy could be done on a gradual scale over the next 10 years.  At the end of the 10 year period all construction and energy use in the structures throughout the United States must be 100% powered by renewable energy.  

In addition, the governments must impose laws, rules and regulations whereby the utility companies must comply with a fair â€œNET METERINGâ€ (the buying of excess generation from the consumer), including the promotion of research and production of â€œrenewable energy technologyâ€ with various long term incentives and grants.  The various foundations in existence should be used to contribute to this cause.   

 A mandatory time table should also be established for the automobile industry to gradually produce an automobile powered by renewable energy.  The American automobile industry is surely capable of accomplishing this task.  

This is a way to expedite our energy independence and economic growth.  It will take maximum effort and a relentless pursuit of the private, commercial and industrial government sectors commitment to renewable energy â€“ energy generation (wind, solar, hydro, biofuels, geothermal, energy storage (fuel cells, advance batteries), energy infrastructure (management, transmission) and energy efficiency (lighting, sensors, automation, conservation) in order to achieve our energy independence.


Jay Draiman
Northridge, CA.  91325
1-3-2007

P.S.  I have a very deep belief in America&#039;s capabilities. Within the next 10 years we can accomplish our energy independence, if we as a nation truly set our goals to accomplish this.
I happen to believe that we can do it. In another crisis--the one in 1942--President Franklin D. Roosevelt said this country would build 60,000 [50,000] military aircraft. By 1943, production in that program had reached 125,000 aircraft annually. They did it then. We can do it now.
The American people resilience and determination to retain the way of life is unconquerable and we as a nation will succeed in this endeavor of Energy Independence.

Solar energy is the source of all energy on the earth (excepting volcanic geothermal). Wind, wave and fossil fuels all get their energy from the sun. Fossil fuels are only a battery which will eventually run out. The sooner we can exploit all forms of Solar energy (cost effectively or not against dubiously cheap FFs)the better off we will all be. If the battery runs out first, the survivors will all be living like in the 18th century again.

Every new home built should come with a solar package. A 1.5 kW per bedroom is a good rule of thumb. The formula 1.5 X&#039;s 5 hrs per day X&#039;s 30 days will produce about 225 kWh per bedroom monthly. This peak production period will offset 17 to 24 cents per kWh with a potential of $160 per month or about $60,000 over the 30-year mortgage period for a three-bedroom home. It is economically feasible at the current energy price and the interest portion of the loan is deductible. Why not?

Title 24 has been mandated forcing developers to build energy efficient homes. Their bull-headedness put them in that position and now they see that Title 24 works with little added cost. Solar should also be mandated and if the developer designs a home that solar is impossible to do then they should pay an equivalent mitigation fee allowing others to put solar on in place of their negligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MANDATORY RENEWABLE ENERGY â€“ THE ENERGY EVOLUTION â€“R3</p>
<p>In order to insure energy and economic independence as well as better economic growth without being blackmailed by foreign countries, our country, the United States of Americaâ€™s Utilization of Energy sources must change.<br />
&#8220;Energy drives our entire economy.&#8221;  We must protect it.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s face it, without energy the whole economy and economic society we have set up would come to a halt. So you want to have control over such an important resource that you need for your society and your economy.&#8221;<br />
Our continued dependence on fossil fuels could and will lead to catastrophic consequences.</p>
<p>The federal, state and local government should implement a mandatory renewable energy installation program for residential and commercial property on new construction and remodeling projects with the use of energy efficient material, mechanical systems, appliances, lighting, etc.  The source of energy must by renewable energy such as Solar-Photovoltaic, Geothermal, Wind, Biofuels, etc. including utilizing water from lakes, rivers and oceans to circulate in cooling towers to produce air conditioning and the utilization of proper landscaping to reduce energy consumption.</p>
<p>The implementation of mandatory renewable energy could be done on a gradual scale over the next 10 years.  At the end of the 10 year period all construction and energy use in the structures throughout the United States must be 100% powered by renewable energy.  </p>
<p>In addition, the governments must impose laws, rules and regulations whereby the utility companies must comply with a fair â€œNET METERINGâ€ (the buying of excess generation from the consumer), including the promotion of research and production of â€œrenewable energy technologyâ€ with various long term incentives and grants.  The various foundations in existence should be used to contribute to this cause.   </p>
<p> A mandatory time table should also be established for the automobile industry to gradually produce an automobile powered by renewable energy.  The American automobile industry is surely capable of accomplishing this task.  </p>
<p>This is a way to expedite our energy independence and economic growth.  It will take maximum effort and a relentless pursuit of the private, commercial and industrial government sectors commitment to renewable energy â€“ energy generation (wind, solar, hydro, biofuels, geothermal, energy storage (fuel cells, advance batteries), energy infrastructure (management, transmission) and energy efficiency (lighting, sensors, automation, conservation) in order to achieve our energy independence.</p>
<p>Jay Draiman<br />
Northridge, CA.  91325<br />
1-3-2007</p>
<p>P.S.  I have a very deep belief in America&#8217;s capabilities. Within the next 10 years we can accomplish our energy independence, if we as a nation truly set our goals to accomplish this.<br />
I happen to believe that we can do it. In another crisis&#8211;the one in 1942&#8211;President Franklin D. Roosevelt said this country would build 60,000 [50,000] military aircraft. By 1943, production in that program had reached 125,000 aircraft annually. They did it then. We can do it now.<br />
The American people resilience and determination to retain the way of life is unconquerable and we as a nation will succeed in this endeavor of Energy Independence.</p>
<p>Solar energy is the source of all energy on the earth (excepting volcanic geothermal). Wind, wave and fossil fuels all get their energy from the sun. Fossil fuels are only a battery which will eventually run out. The sooner we can exploit all forms of Solar energy (cost effectively or not against dubiously cheap FFs)the better off we will all be. If the battery runs out first, the survivors will all be living like in the 18th century again.</p>
<p>Every new home built should come with a solar package. A 1.5 kW per bedroom is a good rule of thumb. The formula 1.5 X&#8217;s 5 hrs per day X&#8217;s 30 days will produce about 225 kWh per bedroom monthly. This peak production period will offset 17 to 24 cents per kWh with a potential of $160 per month or about $60,000 over the 30-year mortgage period for a three-bedroom home. It is economically feasible at the current energy price and the interest portion of the loan is deductible. Why not?</p>
<p>Title 24 has been mandated forcing developers to build energy efficient homes. Their bull-headedness put them in that position and now they see that Title 24 works with little added cost. Solar should also be mandated and if the developer designs a home that solar is impossible to do then they should pay an equivalent mitigation fee allowing others to put solar on in place of their negligence.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1383133', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: liberalfreedomlover</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1382257</link>
		<dc:creator>liberalfreedomlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lame Duck Puppet Fake President Bush is a liar and a thief.&lt;/strong&gt;

The magnitude of Mr. Bush and his father&#039;s sordid subversion of the American governmental process is beyond measure.  Given the degeneration of laws, systems, processes, the destruction of rights, entire departments, agencies, and loss of highly-qualified and dedicated personnel who guided the &#039;leading body&#039; without rancor or prejudice ... 

The total destruction of fair and balanced dissemination of information to the public!  This alone is reprehensible ...

His and his family&#039;s blatant conflict of interest within the oil industry and their thirst for more money with complete contempt for the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ON EARTH (not only America) is beyond disgust, beyond corporate theft.  

G.W. Bush has created a future where we will all have to work hard just to reach a place where each person&#039;s basic survival needs have been  met.  (and yeah, it&#039;s gonna cost some money, so NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE!) 

- Health Care (pharms own the government right now, gotta go, gotta go right now!)
- Housing (deteriorated ... Katrina folks included)
- Jobs (Walmart wont make a secure future)
- Childcare (Leave them behind, trickle down, it&#039;s all wrong)
- Water (it still pisses me off that we pay for *pure*water, it&#039;s just dumb.  Where are we?  Dune?)
- Environment  (Her blue body and everything we know)
- Energy (buuaahhahahahahhahha!!!  Yah, open up friggin&#039; Alaska?!?! - for who?)
- Transportation (Army of Engineers? hahah.  Emissions Testing?hhahah SUV&#039;s &amp; Humvees - yippeee!)
- Publications
- Communications
- WTO 

... basta.  I&#039;ve vented, thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lame Duck Puppet Fake President Bush is a liar and a thief.</strong></p>
<p>The magnitude of Mr. Bush and his father&#8217;s sordid subversion of the American governmental process is beyond measure.  Given the degeneration of laws, systems, processes, the destruction of rights, entire departments, agencies, and loss of highly-qualified and dedicated personnel who guided the &#8216;leading body&#8217; without rancor or prejudice &#8230; </p>
<p>The total destruction of fair and balanced dissemination of information to the public!  This alone is reprehensible &#8230;</p>
<p>His and his family&#8217;s blatant conflict of interest within the oil industry and their thirst for more money with complete contempt for the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ON EARTH (not only America) is beyond disgust, beyond corporate theft.  </p>
<p>G.W. Bush has created a future where we will all have to work hard just to reach a place where each person&#8217;s basic survival needs have been  met.  (and yeah, it&#8217;s gonna cost some money, so NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE!) </p>
<p>- Health Care (pharms own the government right now, gotta go, gotta go right now!)<br />
- Housing (deteriorated &#8230; Katrina folks included)<br />
- Jobs (Walmart wont make a secure future)<br />
- Childcare (Leave them behind, trickle down, it&#8217;s all wrong)<br />
- Water (it still pisses me off that we pay for *pure*water, it&#8217;s just dumb.  Where are we?  Dune?)<br />
- Environment  (Her blue body and everything we know)<br />
- Energy (buuaahhahahahahhahha!!!  Yah, open up friggin&#8217; Alaska?!?! &#8211; for who?)<br />
- Transportation (Army of Engineers? hahah.  Emissions Testing?hhahah SUV&#8217;s &amp; Humvees &#8211; yippeee!)<br />
- Publications<br />
- Communications<br />
- WTO </p>
<p>&#8230; basta.  I&#8217;ve vented, thanks<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1382257', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tom baker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381940</link>
		<dc:creator>tom baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s precious - Ol&#039;Dubbie &amp; pals know that their wards, &quot;the amurkun people&quot; have so short a memory that all those other SOTU handjobs will be long forgotten when this one is trotted out. The amnesiacs in the press will do no better a job, and fail to review even last year&#039;s speech as a refresher. Come speechifyin&#039; night, the public will just kick back and take that handy, and believe it&#039;s the first one they ever got. Backstage, Tony and Karl will alternate between picking out the ugliest and the most doable women in the audience, and feel really cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s precious &#8211; Ol&#8217;Dubbie &amp; pals know that their wards, &#8220;the amurkun people&#8221; have so short a memory that all those other SOTU handjobs will be long forgotten when this one is trotted out. The amnesiacs in the press will do no better a job, and fail to review even last year&#8217;s speech as a refresher. Come speechifyin&#8217; night, the public will just kick back and take that handy, and believe it&#8217;s the first one they ever got. Backstage, Tony and Karl will alternate between picking out the ugliest and the most doable women in the audience, and feel really cool.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381940', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle_Ho</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381803</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle_Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The decider&#039;s way to energy indepedence is to take the oil fields of Iraq, followed by Iran.  If Bush tries to deny it, he&#039;s lying-his lips are moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decider&#8217;s way to energy indepedence is to take the oil fields of Iraq, followed by Iran.  If Bush tries to deny it, he&#8217;s lying-his lips are moving.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381803', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381587</link>
		<dc:creator>WC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Would biofuels help to stop greenhouse gas release? No. So, againâ€¦not a whole solution. 

Comment by Juan C â€” January 3, 2007 @ 4:57 pm&lt;/em&gt;

No, but many cars in recent years have been classified as ultra low emission vehicles (ULEV) or SULEV (super-).   As for carbon dioxide, I found several sources that indicate when biofuels are burned, they release the carbon dioxide that the plants took in when growing.  Thus no new amounts of carbon dioxide are released, unlike fossil fuels.   I also read that mixing biofuels with fossil fuels reduces the amount of pollutants produced if the fossil fuels were burned alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Would biofuels help to stop greenhouse gas release? No. So, againâ€¦not a whole solution. </p>
<p>Comment by Juan C â€” January 3, 2007 @ 4:57 pm</em></p>
<p>No, but many cars in recent years have been classified as ultra low emission vehicles (ULEV) or SULEV (super-).   As for carbon dioxide, I found several sources that indicate when biofuels are burned, they release the carbon dioxide that the plants took in when growing.  Thus no new amounts of carbon dioxide are released, unlike fossil fuels.   I also read that mixing biofuels with fossil fuels reduces the amount of pollutants produced if the fossil fuels were burned alone.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381587', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IdahoMoe</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381537</link>
		<dc:creator>IdahoMoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diarrhea of the Mouth=SOTU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diarrhea of the Mouth=SOTU<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381537', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381437</link>
		<dc:creator>WC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by TerrytheTurtle â€” January 3, 2007 @ 5:06 pm&lt;/em&gt;

One thing I think that is agreeable is that representatives/supporters of Big Oil will always say there&#039;s a net energy deficit, and representatives/supporters of ethanol will always say there&#039;s a net energy surplus.  At least for the near future.  You and I are left in the middle trying to sort it all out.

One other tidbit before I leave for home...

Late last summer (2005) NBC News reporter Kerry Sanders took a 2 day road trip down the East Coast to check gas prices.   Along the way he ran across a station selling E85 for $2.35 a gallon.  This was a time when ethanol-free gas was going for about $2.75/gal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Comment by TerrytheTurtle â€” January 3, 2007 @ 5:06 pm</em></p>
<p>One thing I think that is agreeable is that representatives/supporters of Big Oil will always say there&#8217;s a net energy deficit, and representatives/supporters of ethanol will always say there&#8217;s a net energy surplus.  At least for the near future.  You and I are left in the middle trying to sort it all out.</p>
<p>One other tidbit before I leave for home&#8230;</p>
<p>Late last summer (2005) NBC News reporter Kerry Sanders took a 2 day road trip down the East Coast to check gas prices.   Along the way he ran across a station selling E85 for $2.35 a gallon.  This was a time when ethanol-free gas was going for about $2.75/gal.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381437', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TerrytheTurtle</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1381390</link>
		<dc:creator>TerrytheTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADM and Cargill, not General Mills....what about those farm subsidies boys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADM and Cargill, not General Mills&#8230;.what about those farm subsidies boys?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1381390', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TerrytheTurtle</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1380920</link>
		<dc:creator>TerrytheTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WC - your source seems stronger than mine on first glance - I yield for now on energy deficit. I was over on Oil Drum and found the R-Squared Energy Blog Response to Dan Rather&#039;s 60mins on Ethanol. R-Squared has the net negative coming from farming practice using 8 gallons gas for 10 of ethanol and ethanol only 70pct as calorific.

Ok now factor in that all the US corn acreage can produce 15pct of todays gasoline needs, ethanol is bad for the air, takes a lot of water to make and using corn will push up food prices.... still no panacea. When I&#039;m off my treo ill do better responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WC &#8211; your source seems stronger than mine on first glance &#8211; I yield for now on energy deficit. I was over on Oil Drum and found the R-Squared Energy Blog Response to Dan Rather&#8217;s 60mins on Ethanol. R-Squared has the net negative coming from farming practice using 8 gallons gas for 10 of ethanol and ethanol only 70pct as calorific.</p>
<p>Ok now factor in that all the US corn acreage can produce 15pct of todays gasoline needs, ethanol is bad for the air, takes a lot of water to make and using corn will push up food prices&#8230;. still no panacea. When I&#8217;m off my treo ill do better responding.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1380920', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Juan C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by WC&lt;/em&gt; 

Would biofuels help to stop greenhouse gas release? No. So, again...not a whole solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Comment by WC</em> </p>
<p>Would biofuels help to stop greenhouse gas release? No. So, again&#8230;not a whole solution.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1380885', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry

&quot;Big Citizen didn&#039;t stop Chimpy&quot; - EXACTLY what the problem is.  In a democracy, we get the government and society we seek and, therefore, deserve.  Maybe we&#039;ve learned from our self-induced &quot;Neocon Pearl Harbor&quot;.  I hope the Democratic leaders speak out, now and loud.  We may be in a critical, now or never time period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry</p>
<p>&#8220;Big Citizen didn&#8217;t stop Chimpy&#8221; &#8211; EXACTLY what the problem is.  In a democracy, we get the government and society we seek and, therefore, deserve.  Maybe we&#8217;ve learned from our self-induced &#8220;Neocon Pearl Harbor&#8221;.  I hope the Democratic leaders speak out, now and loud.  We may be in a critical, now or never time period.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1380858', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/sotu-energy-independence/comment-page-2/#comment-1380845</link>
		<dc:creator>WC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;WC - it all helps I agree. But beware ethanol. It is net energy negative (i have the source for that somewhere) and imho it plays to ADM and General Mills - different drug, different pushers, same result.

Comment by TerrytheTurtle â€” January 3, 2007 @ 4:34 pm&lt;/em&gt;

A different take from the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition (just a quick source I had access to) says it is not energy negative.

From e85fuel.com:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Current research prepared by Argonne National Laboratory (a U.S. Department of Energy Laboratory), indicates a 38% gain in the overall energy input/output equation for the corn-to-ethanol process. That is, if 100 BTUs of energy is used to plant corn, harvest the crop, transport it, etc., 138 BTUs of energy is available in the fuel ethanol. Corn yields and processing technologies have improved significantly over the past 20 years and they continue to do so, making ethanol production less and less energy intensive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>WC &#8211; it all helps I agree. But beware ethanol. It is net energy negative (i have the source for that somewhere) and imho it plays to ADM and General Mills &#8211; different drug, different pushers, same result.</p>
<p>Comment by TerrytheTurtle â€” January 3, 2007 @ 4:34 pm</em></p>
<p>A different take from the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition (just a quick source I had access to) says it is not energy negative.</p>
<p>From e85fuel.com:</p>
<blockquote><p>Current research prepared by Argonne National Laboratory (a U.S. Department of Energy Laboratory), indicates a 38% gain in the overall energy input/output equation for the corn-to-ethanol process. That is, if 100 BTUs of energy is used to plant corn, harvest the crop, transport it, etc., 138 BTUs of energy is available in the fuel ethanol. Corn yields and processing technologies have improved significantly over the past 20 years and they continue to do so, making ethanol production less and less energy intensive.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: TerrytheTurtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerrytheTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLC - Big Citizen didn&#039;t stop Chimpy, I&#039;m sorry to say. Democracies suck at the painful stuff unless they are &#039;pearl harbored&#039;. Even centrally planned China has higher mileage standards. We had Japan earlier - ever think about how Japan is the only major industrial country to retain over 70 percent of its forests..? Somewhat related...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLC &#8211; Big Citizen didn&#8217;t stop Chimpy, I&#8217;m sorry to say. Democracies suck at the painful stuff unless they are &#8216;pearl harbored&#8217;. Even centrally planned China has higher mileage standards. We had Japan earlier &#8211; ever think about how Japan is the only major industrial country to retain over 70 percent of its forests..? Somewhat related&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1380830', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jaded Prole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaded Prole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too little too late too much hot air . . .</description>
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