Ellison Takes Swearing-In Photograph With Koran
By on Jan 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Ellison Takes Swearing-In Photograph With Koran
Today, following the official swearing-in ceremony for the 110th Congress, Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) was photographed with his wife Kim and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). Ellison and Pelosi placed their hands on a copy of the Koran once owned by Thomas Jefferson.
“Look at that. That’s something else,” Ellison said, as officials from the Library of Congress showed him the Koran, which was published in London in 1764. “Oh my God. This is great.”
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Neat.
Replace one fictional book with another.
What’s the diff???
January 4th, 2007 at 5:31 pmPiss soaked pants, heh, hard to concentrate…
January 4th, 2007 at 5:32 pmAnd the world didnt burst into flames?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:33 pmAt least he isn’t gay, right George?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:35 pmJefferson’s Koran! Hahaha I love the irony. What are you going to say now neocons? Jefferson was a traitor? HAhahaha. Game. Set. Match. I love it. Beautiful!
http://www.getsomejosh.com
January 4th, 2007 at 5:36 pmRemember, this is a PHOTO OP. The official swearing-in does not use Bibles or Korans or anything else.
The Reich Wingnuts are getting their panties in a knot about a PHOTO OP.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWaiting for TP to post pictures of all the Dems that used a bible…… Also waiting for all the Dems to complain that using religion to be sworn into congress is wrong………..
January 4th, 2007 at 5:40 pmJosh - Of course Jefferson had a Koran - in a detailed letter he advised his nephew to study ALL religions. But you should be happy to know Congressman Keith X’s co-religionists, send you all an enthusiastic “Allah Akbar”….
January 4th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI knew those photos would press troll buttons, and walla… we have more biting at the bit here now.
Its just a photo op, not a real swearing in.
And Allah Akbar!
January 4th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBefore you wet yourselves in excitment, jefferson had an extensive library of different books including the quran. This was simply one book of many. What game? what set? what match?
Certian people got upset over this, not me. BTW how is that “bipartisan” lie going?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:47 pm#8
Good, let them praise Allah. It is everyone’s right to be just as deluded as all the Crazy Christian C**ts that think that Jesus was born on December 25 and all this other horse crap. The whole argument is insane in a country that has a separation of Church and State. But you Right-wing folks drag us doen into the gutter sometimes, and as you see with this turn of events, we take the high road once again ;)
January 4th, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhy would we Roger_Roger…?
We are not religious bigots, unlike your assclown GOP brethren who are frothing at the mouth over the personal photo op.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:52 pmOh listen to Roger-Roger now. Can’t scream at the Democrats about how they always lose elections and how the rest of the nation supports Republicans so he is reduced to whining about little things.
Rich, truly rich.
RR, are you proud of plump and pouty Dennis Hastert who was so small he wouldn’t even abide by his duties? He sat in the back sulking like the small man that he is.
P.S. Roger, what do you think of Bush hiring Zal Khalilzad, a Muslim for the UN?
My God, will Virgil Goode pop a nut about that or what?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#7 Roger_Roger
Also waiting for all the Dems to complain that using religion to be sworn into congress is wrong………..
Roger, are you now the last person on the planet that still thinks that the swearing in on a book of any kind is anything more than a photo op?
It’s just a photo op. He’s not really being sworn in. I personally don’t care what holy book, if any, is used by someone for a purely ceremonial function like that. If it makes it extra meaningful to him, that’s fine with me.
Now, if Ellison were to start trying to jam his religion down the rest of the country’s collective throat, as so many of his Republican colleagues are fond of doing, that’s a different story altogether.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:54 pmRoger_Roger - Why should, “all the Dems to complain that using religion to be sworn into congress is wrong” when religion is not being used to swear into congress?
sonofdy - I don’t know, why don’t you ask Bush how his lies are going? His calls to work together are just the most recent in a long, Long, LONG, very long list of lies.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:54 pmRoger Roger is an idiot. There are no Bibles or Korans used in the OFFICIAL swearing in ceremony. This is a documented fact that has been widely reported in the news.
So we librrrruls cannot complain about religion in the official swearing in ceremony, because there isn’t any.
Roger Roger is another illiterate, inbred redneck Repuke moron.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pm#10
My point is this. Keith and everyone else realizes that this “Koran Photo Op” controversy is stupid and just makes you all look like xenophobes. So he bested you, used a symbolic book owned by a symbolic man, and made you look even more stupid. Well done.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pmReply to Roger_Roger: First of all, Roger, this country was built by people of all religions, not just one. While people like you worry about this congressman swearing in using a koran, our soldiers are dying in Iraq. Who cares what religious book he uses to swear in, he is swearing to protect and defend the Constituion just like all of the others in our government. We aren’t fighting a war in Iraq to convert them to our religion, we are supposedly fighting to bring democracy to the middle east.
Think about how stupid you republicans are when you make a big deal about this matter. Why would we send American soldiers to fight for a bunch of muslims if their religion was so repulsive to us. If you think Islam is so bad, then join with Democrats in calling for an end to this war because we shouldn’t die for Muslims. How ironic is your argument when you really think about it. On one hand you say Ellison can’t use a koran to swear in, but yet we should fight for people who us a koran to worship in Iraq. What’s the difference? Oh, yes, Ellison is a black muslim from the United States, and the Iraqi muslims are considered as white.
Take a long look in the mirror my misguided friend and you will see a very disturded individual who doesn’t like fellow Americans who are black and just happen to be muslim.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:56 pmNow, about the books, What about a hustler magazine? Your favorite issue. Would that be allowed?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:56 pmNot up on the GOP frothing at the mouth over (gasP) a Muslim being elected to Congress and the hate-speech and bigotry over this, led by none other than GOP Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia?
January 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pm10. You mean the one the President just recently wrote about? Or the bipartisan lie that the republicans have been pushing down all of our throats for the last 6 years?
Surely your going to be more mad at the extensive lies from them than you would from a new majority that hasn’t been in office for an entire day yet.
oh and mighty, your arguments don’t stand up because you can’t answer.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pmJuan C, it is a photo op. No books are used in the official swearing in.
If a new Rep wants to do his photo op with a stack of Hustlers, and the voters don’t kick him out, that’s his problem.
You’re a dumbass, Juan C.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:59 pmRe: Comment by Roger_Roger — January 4, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Yes, many, many Democrats used a Bible for their swearing pictures. No, there is no swearing in under a religion. The entire fiasco is a creation by certain right-wingers who decided to make Ellison’s decision to use his own religion’s holy book an issue of debate. Democrats and liberals responded in kind by mocking you and other right wingers. It’s really as simple as that.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:59 pmNow I know the return of the Lord is imminent.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThat is awesome.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:00 pmNow I know the return of our Lord is imminent.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWhile scooping out the cats’ litter box, I found a Jesus shaped urine clump. How much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI would totally use a Hustler Magazine as my symbol of a higher power to swear on. Breasts are my God.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmActually given the 1st amendment fights Larry Flynt has waged for the principals of our Constitution, I would say it is more apropos to swear a symbolic oath on a copy of Hustler than any religious book
January 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThat ain’t Daryll, nice try though. I think he gave up a while ago.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmMighty Aphrodite? you there? Calling all xenophobes? Hello???
January 4th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYou’re a dumbass, Juan C.
Comment by Tom3
I was being ironic, dummie.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYou’re a dumbass, Juan C.
Comment by Tom3 — January 4, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Tom3, I think you misunderstand Juan C’s intent
January 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pmHow much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
Comment by unbelievable
I’ll open the bidding at 500 bucks.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pmPiss soaked pants, heh, hard to concentrate…
Comment by ForTruth
Hey, get your own routine…. :)
January 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pmComment by ForTruth
I’m more of an ass-man myself. That’s what I love about America and liberalism, honoring diversity. (wry grin)
January 4th, 2007 at 6:05 pmDaryll, are you professing you had doubts about your religion before and it took a photo op to secure your knowledge that the 2nd comming is imminent.
Please explain this. I’ve read the Bible and don’t remember Kodak, The US, photo op, Black person, Muslim or anything else like that prefacing the 2nd coming.
Now I do remember something about false prophets and Pat Robertson has been vocal so maybe…………
January 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pmJosh - Of course Jefferson had a Koran - in a detailed letter he advised his nephew to study ALL religions.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 4, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Because he knew the best reason for rejecting them all was to study them. Why he said:
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods (undated), referring to “our particular superstition,” Christianity, from John E Remsburg, Six Historic Americans: Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Franklin Steiner, Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents (1936), “Thomas Jefferson, Freethinker”
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/jefferson.htm
January 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIf Ellison uses the Koran to bolster his vow to uphold the Constitution in his PRIVATE ceremony/photo op, I’m all for it. If he tries to make a law saying Americans should pray five times a day, I’ll be as pis**ed off as I am about the Christian Pharisees trying to deny gays marriage rights.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pm… the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Major John Cartwright, June 5, 1824 (see Positive Atheism’s Historical section)
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address. This argument is still used today by “Christian Nation” revisionists who do not admit to having read Thomas Jefferson’s thorough research of this matter.
For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement of England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of the Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law … This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first Christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it … That system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pm– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address. This argument is still used today by “Christian Nation” revisionists who do not admit to having read Thomas Jefferson’s thorough research of this matter.
#10 sonofdy
Before you wet yourselves in excitment, jefferson had an extensive library of different books including the quran. This was simply one book of many. What game? what set? what match?
Certian people got upset over this, not me. BTW how is that “bipartisan†lie going?
Here’s the deal. Ellison uses a copy of the Qur’an owned by one of the founding fathers, the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, among other things. You’ve got a wing-nut Republican rep trying to say that Islam is dangerous and foreign and we have to keep its adherents out of our government and out of our country. Contrast that with a Muslim who was born in this country and whose family has been here since about the time Jefferson was born. Jefferson was born in a county that sits right in the wing-nut’s congressional district. Apparently, Jefferson wasn’t frightened of the Qur’an or its adherents. He even bothered to read it. It all sort of ends up making Goode look anti-American.
It’s called irony.
As for bipartisanship, I’m not sure you understand what that big word means. When did you suddenly take an interest in it?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmHow much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
Comment by unbelievable
You should call the Vatican, bribe the priest, make it an official aparition and take that urine sample to Mexico or Central America. Poorest people are the most religious ones. Could it be a connection?? mmmm…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:10 pmMy God, will Virgil Goode pop a nut about that or what?
Comment by GSD — January 4, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
LOL… Count on it!
January 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#26 Daryll
Now I know the return of our Lord is imminent.
Well, you’d better look busy.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThank you for the re-iteration Chimpeach! I think we scared off the xenophobes now.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
January 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmchimpeach
I think BushCo actually uses “bypartisanship” when they talk about the concept they want. That is, they want things “by” their partisan ideas. The English language can be inconsistent and confusing, like “flammable” and “inflammable” both meaning something will burn.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.†Thomas Jefferson
“The way to silence religious disputes is to take no notice of them†Thomas Jefferson
January 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmNow I know the return of the Lord is imminent.
Comment by Daryll — January 4, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
The Bibles say that Jesus would return before those who witnessed his death passed away.
He’s not coming back, and neither is my niece’s dead dog (which she believes is in Heaven being fixed and will soon return).
January 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmWell, you’d better look busy.
Comment by chimpeach
LMAO!!!
January 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI would totally use a Hustler Magazine as my symbol of a higher power to swear on. Breasts are my God.
Comment by ForTruth — January 4, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
I thought that variety of men’s “magazines” was more about the other part…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI thought that variety of men’s “magazines†was more about the other part…
Comment by unbelievable
Elbows?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYou should call the Vatican, bribe the priest, make it an official aparition and take that urine sample to Mexico or Central America. Poorest people are the most religious ones. Could it be a connection?? mmmm…
Comment by Juan C — January 4, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
I wasn’t actually brave enough to save it (that would require touching it… And I wasn’t really certain it was urine… again, that would require touching it :)
It’s now certainly on its way to sea… :)
January 4th, 2007 at 6:20 pm#48 unbelievable
I can guarantee you, if Jesus had ever considered coming back, he’s long since changed his mind. The biggest assholes in the world have been using his name to justify the most heinous crimes of human history. He’s gone and he ain’t lookin’ back.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:21 pmDaryll, I’m very concerned about the fact that we have born-again christians in congress. They freely admit that they honor a power higher than our constitution. Many of them actively look forward to the destruction of the world. Some harbor religious opinions shared by a very small minority of citizens. And, many of them seem to want to make radical and profound changes to our constitutional system. This seems like a threat to our way of life. Daryll, you seem to know a lot about these people. How can we keep them from destroying our system?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI’ll open the bidding at 500 bucks.
Comment by ForTruth — January 4, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Monopoly money?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI would say it is more apropos to swear a symbolic oath on a copy of Hustler than any religious book
Comment by lestatdelc
At least is a whole more entertaining.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWell, you’d better look busy.
Comment by chimpeach — January 4, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
By far, the best response to Daryll… LOL!
January 4th, 2007 at 6:23 pmWhile scooping out the cats’ litter box, I found a Jesus shaped urine clump. How much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
Comment by unbelievable — January 4, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
If it bleeds the sky is the limit.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pmElbows?
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Something like that… :D
January 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pmFor those that don’t believe that I am who I am, I believe that Bush doesn’t have the knowledge to handle/resolve foreign policies, but I also believe that all government issues, including the indoctrination of Congress and Senate, should be handled per sciptural text, not the Quran.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe biggest assholes in the world have been using his name to justify the most heinous crimes of human history. He’s gone and he ain’t lookin’ back.
Comment by chimpeach — January 4, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Have you ever read ‘Illusions’ by Richard Bachman?
It’s a great parallel for why Jesus didn’t want to be worshipped, said so, and those words have since been deemed as heresy by the Catholic Church…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:28 pmDid they allow Mark Foley to swear on an Abercrombie-Fitch catalog back in the day?
-GSD
January 4th, 2007 at 6:28 pmoops… Make that Richard Bach (Bachman was a Stephen King persona).
January 4th, 2007 at 6:29 pmNow, about the books, What about a hustler magazine? Your favorite issue. Would that be allowed?
Comment by Juan C — January 4, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
oh, juan… baiting the feminazis here?
i want to be sworn in using the BEATLES WHITE ALBUM…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:31 pmElbows?
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
If it bleeds the sky is the limit.
Comment by Joefriday — January 4, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Clear Zoo?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:32 pmMichelle Malkin is proven stupid yet again.
Iraqis now admit the existence of officer Jamil Hussein who was at the center of a news story about Sunnis being burnt alive.
Right wing bloggers alleged the story was false.
Rightwing bloggers proven stupid again.
-GSD
January 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#61 unbelievable
Have you ever read ‘Illusions’ by Richard Bach…?
It’s a great parallel for why Jesus didn’t want to be worshipped, said so, and those words have since been deemed as heresy by the Catholic Church…
I haven’t read it, but it’s not hard to see why he’d think that way. I thought that idea was covered pretty well in “The Life of Brian” too.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pm…I also believe that all government issues, including the indoctrination of Congress and Senate, should be handled per sciptural text, not the Quran.
Comment by Daryll
That’s frickin’ Daryll. Believe away, sweetie.
Somebody get Daryll the fresh Hustler…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI also believe that all government issues, including the indoctrination of Congress and Senate, should be handled per sciptural text, not the Quran.
Comment by Daryll — January 4, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
That single word ‘believe’ is what makes this an opinion, Daryll and not a fact.
Your brand of superstition is no better than anyone else’s. they are all based on blind faith, speculation, and a lot of wishful thinking. Thomas Jefferson made it clear that this country is not and will not be based on scripture or any other religious superstitions.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:35 pmI thought that idea was covered pretty well in “The Life of Brian†too.
Comment by chimpeach — January 4, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
I haven’t seen it… I’m assuming it’s a Jesus parody?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#66 GSD
Michelle Malkin is proven stupid yet again.
Iraqis now admit the existence of officer Jamil Hussein who was at the center of a news story about Sunnis being burnt alive.
Right wing bloggers alleged the story was false.
I saw that. Isn’t that great? The bad thing about it, though, is that she’s probably not going to Iraq as an imbed now. I was kind of hoping she’d go there and get her ass shot off.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmCrap… I gotta run. Ya’ll are way too funny! Later!
January 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pm54.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:41 pmDaryll, IÂ’m very concerned about the fact that we have born-aga
christians in congress. They freely admit that they honor a power higher than our constitution. Many of them actively look forward to the destruction of the world. Some harbor religious opinions shared by a very small minority of citizens. And, many of them seem to want to make radical and profound changes to our constitutional system. This seems like a threat to our way of life. Daryll, you seem to know a lot about these people. How can we keep them from destroying our system?
Comment by Bluedog49 —
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Bluedog, they’re not demolishing our constitutional laws, they’re instilling biblical standards into this unrighteous country. You should be concerned about the immorality that exist within our nation.
#70 unbelievable
I haven’t seen it… I’m assuming it’s a Jesus parody?
It is. It’s a Monty Python movie about Jesus’ next door neighbor, Brian. I think you’d enjoy it. The closing musical number is priceless.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI haven’t read it, but it’s not hard to see why he’d think that way. I thought that idea was covered pretty well in “The Life of Brian†too.
Comment by chimpeach
Illusions is a great book. Very inspiring and spiritual. Also, Jonathan Livingston Seagull by the same author.
“Life of Brian” — fantastic.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:44 pmThis little human story is better than anything has trown us in six freakin years.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmGreat PR.
Daryll
I am concerned about the immorality that exists within our nation - the Social or Secular immorality of corruption, lying, greed, disrespect, destruction of the environment, irresponsible budgets that will affect our children and grandchildren, etc. Much of it is done in the name of religion. Government has no business in religion. Religion has no business in government.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:48 pm[…] (Via Think Progress […]
January 4th, 2007 at 6:50 pmTime to go commute. Later.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI’ll open the bidding at 500 bucks.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by ForTruth —
What the hell do you do with that many deer?
#
… I also believe that all government issues, including the indoctrination of Congress and Senate, should be handled per sciptural text, not the Quran.
Comment by Daryll — January 4, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Then you would fit right in under any system using Shia as their foundation, i.e. Iran and increasingly so, Iraq. If that’s what you want, then I invite you to go live in either or similar places.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:53 pm“Oh my God. This is great.â€
Is this really what Mr. Ellison said or did he say “Oh Mr. Goode. This is great.â€
January 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pmDarryl ! Welcome back.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pmShouldn’t you be attending a UML class soon?
BTW, you never did explain how a 24 yr old African American could graduate from Oral Roberts with a CIS degree and be in the Army as an officer from 2000 - 2004, I believe?
What years did you do which>?
I’ll open the bidding at 500 bucks.
Comment by ForTruth —
What the hell do you do with that many deer?
Comment by RUCerious
Obstacle course…?
January 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pm#27…While scooping out the cats’ litter box, I found a Jesus shaped urine clump. How much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
Comment by unbelievable — January 4, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
I think you could make much more by charging admission to see it. People would come from all over the world with their prayer beads and other paraphernalia. Then again, I’m not sure you would want a bunch of nuts and kooks in your house. Better to sell it on eBay…and get a PO Box for them to send the money to.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:55 pmZ ~ I was hoping nobody would come up with “venison jerky” !
January 4th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#73 - Daryll, you have to be clowning us. You really can’t be that dumb of a c*nt.
(fyi, no disparagment meant to females or vaginas intedned, using the UK parlance of the term)
January 4th, 2007 at 7:07 pm#19
The Dems would have to choose December 2000…it BJ Clinton’s favorite issue.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe main point of this story is that now Rep. Goode can start to learn the history of Virginia since he represents that State. Who would have ever known that Goode who’s hometown is just where Thomas Jefferson live. Yet he didn’t know that the great Thomas Jefferson from Virginia fought for Americans of all religions to be equal and even was educated in all religions. What a lesson to learn for us all. Seems like our leaders of the pass were smart and educated but as today like Bush who reads the baby book My Pet Goat and after 6 years he’s still not finished that book.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:20 pmZ ~ I was hoping nobody would come up with “venison jerky†!
Comment by RUCerious
Me too, that shit’s nasty. :P
January 4th, 2007 at 7:25 pmTracy, how is it that a good christian girl like you can remember which Hustler featured Clinton’s bj?
January 4th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI thought that variety of men’s “magazines†was more about the other part…
Comment by unbelievable
I was trying to keep it civilized, but I can talk about the other part if you would like.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHello, It appears I will be making Venison Jerky, while swearing on a copy of Hustler.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:37 pmForTruth
Or is that “making a copy of Hustler and swearing on Venison Jerky”?
January 4th, 2007 at 7:42 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
LOL!
January 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pmHal,
dave needs to be let back in the ship, turn his oxygen back on too.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:49 pmDaryll,
I’m very concerned with the immorality in this nation and in particular the greatest threat is the immorality of the Bush administration: The lying, the killing of Iraqis, the invasion of a sovereign country, the torturing, the hypocrisy, the ignoring of the poor and the obscene giving to the rich, the destruction of the environment, the spying on American citizens, the death of habeous corpus and it goes on and on. I assume this is the immorality you’re referring to.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:53 pmAh but notice how the Holy Bible is ON TOP of the Koran
Comment by publicus excrementus
WRONG!!
Get your eyes checked, I’m blind as a bat and I can see that those are volumes I & II of The Koran.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:55 pm#70 unbelievable
January 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmOMG if you haven’t seen the Life of Brian, you must rush to your local Blockbuster and rent it.
It’s hysterically funny all the way up to the singing on Calvary at the end.
hal holmert
Christians believe the Bible is above all other documents for it is the divine revelation. That would make the Bible above the United States Constitution.
Does that make Christians unfit for office?
Ellison believes in the sharia “legal and justice systemâ€
Got any proof of this?
Ellison has made news by refusing to place his hand on the Bible when taking his oath of office. He demands that his hand be placed upon the Koran. That in itself is abhorrent.
OK, once more for the slow learners. There is not Bible at the swearing in. Many politicians pose with their hand on a Bible for a private photo-op.
Your bigotry is showing.
January 4th, 2007 at 7:58 pmpublicus excrementus = truth in advertising
January 4th, 2007 at 8:00 pmAnd the winner of the biggest dumbass in this thread goes to…. (drum roll)
hal holmert by a landslide!
January 4th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhy not quote The Midnight Globe or the National Enquirer? World Nut Daily, who published an article the other day claiming that drinking soy milk or eating soy products makes you gay, has about as much in common with reality as the publishers of supermarket “batboy” exposé slingers such as those I mentioned.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:34 pmHal, are you just clowning it here or are you really that stupid and pathetic?
January 4th, 2007 at 8:35 pmZooey you get credit for the piss-soaked pants line. It’s a classic.
We keep watching the story about Pelosi taking over the House, we keep TIVo re-winding the part showing the GOP disappointed golf claps. It’s satisfiying.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:38 pmHey Virgil… why the fake screen name?
Is this fake name you are posting under a cyber drag sorta thing, maybe from drinking too much soy perhaps?
January 4th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWe keep watching the story about Pelosi taking over the House, we keep TIVo re-winding the part showing the GOP disappointed golf claps. It’s satisfiying.
Comment by ForTruth
I watched it on Keith Olbermann’s show. It gave me goosebumps.
Eat shit hal holmert! SPEAKER PELOSI!! REP ELLISON!!
January 4th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI’m afraid Hal really is that stupid and pathetic. But I look forward to a lot of entertaining Hal-baiting to come!
January 4th, 2007 at 8:47 pmWhat a nutter.
Damn liberal media is totally ignorin’ this Korran business.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:50 pmHal,
You must be deactivated.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:51 pmIt seems sad to me that apologists for Ellison take the high moral road to try and protect him from the truth about what he is really about. Hal expounded that truth very succinctlu and nicely. Did you all know what Ellison proclaimed loudly through loudspeakers at a meeting recently? This is what he said:
“You can’t back down, you can’t chicken out, you can’t be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah, and you got to stand up and be a real Muslim,” Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause. “Allahu akbar” - God is great - was the reply of many in the crowd … “Muslims, you’re up to bat right now. . .” he said. “How do you know that you were not brought right here to this place to learn how to make this world better? How do you know that Allah, sallalahu aleyhi wasallam,” (meaning peace be upon him) “did not bring you here so that you could understand how to teach people what tolerance was, what justice was? … How do you know that you’re not here to teach this country?” …
“..what justice was??” Excuse me, but this means that the Constitution and all laws of the USA (and other Western civilisations) will be replaced by that outdated, filthy and vicious Sharia law. And saying “Peace be upon him” to a disturbed psycopath like Mohammed who was also a confirmed pedophile by diddling his 9-year old wife shows what Ellison mistakenly believes in. God help the USA when this CAIR disciple gets control.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:54 pm#27, unbelievable wrote: While scooping out the cats’ litter box, I found a Jesus shaped urine clump. How much you think I could sell it for on e-bay?
I guess it’d get as much as that tree with the image of Jesus in it’s bark. (It’s a video on cnn.com; no link available.) Personally, it think it looks like an Ent.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:54 pmThose aren’t facts Holmert and you are nuts. The Holy Bible has nothing to do with our Constitution. If this man wants to take his private oath on the Koran, then by all means he should. You should read the Constitution you dope.
prove you crap, LINK PLEASE. If you got one.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAccording to WorldNetDaily.com, […]
Comment by hal holmert — January 4, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Doesn’t this say it all?
Anyone who quotes WingNutDaily and anyone who quotes someone quoting it, trying to pass it as a serious source, deserves to be mocked, tarred, and feathered.
I guess hal will now start citing The National Enquirer as a reliable source of information.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:08 pmYes. You apologists who whine about people berating Ellison and his radical Muslim beliefs should be really aware of what will happen to the USA under Sharia law:
“….the first step to becoming backwards always starts with the women. Cover the women, ban the women from going in public areas, cut the women’s genitals, stop them from working or driving or shopping.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:09 pmControlling women is the utmost importance in starting sharia.
Utterly useless worthless impotent misogynistic muslim males. They should be castrated at birth.” quote by freewoman on jihadwatch Nov 14.
I’m assuming it’s a Jesus parody?
Comment by unbelievable — January 4, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
You have to see it.
While you are at it, you should also rent The Meaning of Life and The Holy Grail.
I really do think you will enjoy them.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:14 pmJungle Georgie - BOOOOOO!
***********
Hey, let’s not forget to ponder how long it took for a woman to rise to a power-position within our Congress.
And how few minorities are representing?
Once again, hypocrisy, the foundation of the self-righteous USA.
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Hal Holmo-
January 4th, 2007 at 9:15 pmI think it was actually The Satanic Verses inside one of those Korans, DON’T YOU????
be really aware of what will happen to the USA under Sharia law:
“….the first step to becoming backwards always starts with the women. Cover the women, ban the women from going in public areas, cut the women’s genitals, stop them from working or driving or shopping.
I’m just NOW catching on.
YOU’RE A CHICK!!!!!
Okay, okay, okay. Whew!
Your right-wing rantings make PERFECT sense now!!!!
January 4th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOOPS!
I meant “make MORE sense”.
Sorry.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:20 pmand Hal please quit cutting and pasting that tripe into every thread.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:20 pmstop them from working or driving or shopping.
CAREFUL, I know A LOT of HARD WORKING husbands who would be willing to compromise on the other issues in order to establish this!!!!!!!
January 4th, 2007 at 9:27 pmThrow out the holy books and use the constitution instead.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:27 pm[…] Think Progress […]
January 4th, 2007 at 9:33 pm#133, hal the inept
How clever of those staffers to produce an exact duplicate of a 300 year old hand-bound leather cover.. What dedicated pranksters.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:50 pmOgnoes, the world is going to end because someone isn’t christian. Scary.
This fits right in with repuglican propoganda. The funny thing here is, where’s the boom? Wasn’t there something about armageddon involved when this happens?
I hope Goode feels like an ass when Ellison is still willing to work with him to make our nation a better place. And worse hopefully in two years when we kick his ass out of office for being a bigot.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:59 pm127: to DieNowForPeace:
LOL. I am not a chick! At least, the last time I looked I had one of those moderate appendages between my legs that chicks don’t have. Also, I am not a right-wing nut. I live and work in the Middle East, in a country that strictly adheres to Islam and Sharia law… a country that is regarded as weird even by other Musil countries in the Middle East. Come and live in this country and have a first-hand experience of what the USA will become in not too long a time under Sharia law.
Have a look at these web pages:
especially this one: http://www.sweetness-light.com/ archive/ ellison-to-use-quran-suggested-by-radical-muslim-group
http://myprivatetelaviv.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 01/ muslim-cabbies-to-adopt-or-leave-in.html
http://www.amren.com/ mtnews/ archives/ 2007/ 01/ the_minneapolis.php
http://neoconcommandcenter.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 11/ punishing-victim-sharia-law-in-action.html
Hal had it right.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:13 pm#136
I could even take those old covers off and put them on the Old and the New testament . You could too . I have been told this by some very well connected people in the house of representatives .
I have a sister and a cousin who are presently serving as staffers .
My brother in law is a member of the house of representatives .
pics or it didn’t happen
January 4th, 2007 at 10:17 pm139.
Sweet.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:44 pmOK by me!
:-)
January 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pmSteven Hawkins’s, in “A Brief History of Time” did a better job of describing how our observable Universe evolved than the pagans. The only question he has left unanswered is whether an existing entity observed the event. Is our universe a black hole within the confines of a galaxy that exists in yet another universe? What is the maximum natural non-decaying atomic number in that universe? Does another universe exist in the black hole in the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way? Do trans-Uranium elements persist naturally in that universe? Time will pass much more slowly in such a derivative universe from our perspective, but from theirs, it would take aeons for their perspective of observing the formation of the solar system and the development of mankind to the present time.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pmYou know, the end of bigotry and discrimination will be near when I stop hearing things like:
“The first woman speaker of the houseâ€
“The first Muslim congressmanâ€
“The first black winner of the Mastersâ€
“The first gay chairman of the Republican Party”
“The first gay prostitute sleep in the Lincoln bedroom”
I’m fed up of that crap.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 4, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
January 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmHal,
Can you see the look on Ellison’s face?, and his Muslim followers looking on? You can almost read his mind. He’s thinking how he will take over, and wipe all of us white folks out.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmhal,
I like the story, its cool.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pmaeons s/b seconds in #142
January 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pm#95 hal holmert
Keith Ellison, D-MN, is not a ‘patriot,’ though he claims to be. He is a radical Muslim who believes the Koran is above all other documents for it is the divine revelation. That would make the Koran above the United States Constitution.
Very impressive, hal. Barely out of the gate and you immediately peg the Obnoxious-Bullshit-O-Meter. 1) Who are you to judge whether or not Keith Ellison is a patriot? By what definition is he not? He loves his country and he has chosen to serve it. 2) What makes him a radical Muslim? What has he done or said–don’t cite references to things others have said about him–what has he done or said to indicate he’s a radical Muslim? Don’t give me links. Give me facts. 3) What has he done or said to indicate that he believes the Qur’an is above all other documents? He may very well believe that, but how is that any different from the way devout Christians and Jews in Congress feel about the Bible? And when has he said that? Isn’t it great that we have separation of Church and State? That protects us from undue political influence by religions that we don’t agree with. 4) Again, when has Ellison said he places the Qur’an above the Constitution? He has sworn to uphold the Constitution. So did George W. Bush and that guy has done everything in his power to void the Constitution. I’d much sooner trust Ellison with it.
Don’t think that you can just come here and make a lot of outrageous statements like that and think that they’re going to magically become reality. It doesn’t work that way. It’s fascinating how Ellison’s election to the Congress draws your type out of the woodwork. It just really drives a bug up your butt to see a black Muslim in Congress, doesn’t it? Good.
January 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pm#91
Being a woman yourself, why do you have no idea why I mentioned that issue?
January 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pm142, Excellent. One of the few books I read.
Ouch Tracy, how did you know about that?
January 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm#139 halbert holmert
I JUST RECIEVED AN EMAIL FROM MY BROTHER IN LAW , A CONGRESSMAN , HE SAYS NO ONE WAS THE WISER AFTER THE SWEARING IN AS ELLISON DID NOT GET TO VIEW THE INSIDE OF THE BOOK HE WAS SWEARING IN ON
First of all, turn off the caps. We can hear you just fine. Is your brother-in-law as nutty as you are? I don’t think anybody here believes that your brother-in-law is a congressman. And, I’m pretty sure nobody believes that a “KORAN COVERED BIBLE” was used. Roger_Roger might, but no rational person would. I’m pretty sure you don’t believe it, either, unless you’re certifiable. Are you certifiable?
I know you’d really really like for all the things you said to be true, but they’re just not. You can go to sleep tonight wishing for them to be true, but when you wake up tomorrow morning, it’ll all still be bullshit. Hal, you’re f*cked up as a football bat. Get some help.
January 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHal?
Are ya drunk? Otherwise, QUIT YELLING AT US.
Or maybe you’re really O-L-D, and have trouble reading at night.
January 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pmIf I type my post in all caps it magically becomes true and absolutely believable, NO MATTER HOW BIZARRE AND/OR ABSURD.
/SARCASM off
January 4th, 2007 at 11:23 pm#106 hal homert
When faced with facts progressives and democrats alike run for the hills
I love it , your weakness has been exposed
I recognize that line. Vinnie, isn’t it? And George of the Jungle, too?
Drat! My weakness has been exposed! Don’t try to stop me, I’m running for the hills!
January 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pmI’ve decided to swear in on Roger Mellie’s Profanisaurus.
January 4th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI LOVE AMERICA
Comment by halbert holmert
Ellison Takes Swearing-In Photograph With Koran Covered Bible
Comment by halbert holmert
THE BIBLE WAS PLACED INSIDE OF A KORAN COVER TO KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY
THAT IS NOT THE REAL KORAN , THE COVER YES , THE CONTENTS NO
Comment by hal holmert
To all those comments, who cares?. Get a life.
Walt, you are a little cosmogonic tonight…
January 4th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#150
Clinton talked her in to it.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:14 amComment by unbelievable — January 4, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
That’s where I first got the idea of breathing a cloud away. I tried it, and the cloud drifted apart to nothing. It’s kind of amazing, really.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:48 amHal-
Your killing me….you’ve got me in tears. You might be goofing on us, but I prefer to believe that you are serious. I got this mental picture of you sitting in the basement, typing away furiously, spinning that “Bible in a Koran” because you just have to believe it. I’m pretty sure your BIL is another fevered figment of your imagination. On the other hand, if you had one, he’d probably would tell you that just to humor you and shut you up.
I’m sure glad you represent the cutting edge of modern Republican conservative thought.
January 5th, 2007 at 1:06 am[…] […]
January 5th, 2007 at 1:23 amAlso, I am not a right-wing nut. I live and work in the Middle East, in a country that strictly adheres to Islam and Sharia law… a country that is regarded as weird even by other Musil(SIC) countries in the Middle East.
Comment by George of the Jungle
I guess you don’t realize, George, that in your last sentence you in effect admitted that not all Muslim countries practice Sharia law. I assume you are in Saudi Arabia–supposedly the US’s friend but perhaps the worst oppressor of women and even of Christians in the Muslim world. I know that among, Middle East countries, Turkey and Tunisia, for example, are quite different in their practices from Saudi Arabia. I also have spent considerable time in Asia, and Malaysia, a mostly Muslim country, certainly does not practice Sharia law nor forbid women from education–even co-education.
January 5th, 2007 at 1:43 amI can understand your misery in Saudi Arabia, but you yourself should know that life isn’t like that in all Muslim countries.
halbert holmert,
January 5th, 2007 at 1:51 amYou list in #164 is a bit outdated. Both Zbigniew Brzezinski and Francis Fukuyama have openly criticized this administration–particularly its handling of the war. And Jeane Kirkpatrick died recently, in case you haven’t noticed. You also don’t seem to have noticed the results of the November 2006 election. Finally, have you ever heard of the use of punctuation, such as periods and question marks to end sentences?
Re: 168
January 5th, 2007 at 1:55 amThe keyboard got stuck; I should have written “YOUR list.”
Some last words of wisdom for you progressive freaks with your homesexuals(SIC) and curdogs of society who have that body jewelry…..
comment by halbert holmert
And how about your GOP/neo-con homosexuals like Mark Foley, Ken Mehlman, David Drier, and Jeff Gannon/James Guckert, the gay prostitute who frequented the White House?
January 5th, 2007 at 2:22 amAnd sorry, but I don’t “have that body jewelry.” More than half of my wardrobe, in fact, consists of high fashion.
we have no time for you progressives
comment by halbert holmert
Considering the frequency of your posts here, you seem to have a lot of time for progresssives.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:28 amNico,
January 5th, 2007 at 3:24 amI have never supported censorship before, but this halbert holmert character has been posting the exact same remarks as in #164, 170, 175 on other threads, as well. Shouldn’t once be enough?
well…so if we have someone who is a Kabahlist and they make it to public office do they get to use the Zohar? the times are a changing sometimes I wonder about many things. But hopefully the regression will stop and we as a whole can progress together. Like one big orgy =)…aka Love In.
owell i must get my old people sleep…goodnight
January 5th, 2007 at 3:39 am[…] Update: Ellison has been photographed with the Qur’an. The article mentions that Nancy Pelosi also placed her hands on the Qur’an, but in the photo (which I agree was a ‘photo op’ and not part of any official ceremony) Pelosi looks uncomfortable and has her hand pressed above the Qur’an, on Ellison’s hand instead. Not sure if that means jack-squat, it just looks odd. […]
January 5th, 2007 at 3:48 amKoran, Bible, all nice books. If only people who claim they’re living in their spirit actually did things like the books would want them to.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:29 amJefferson was neither Muslim or Christian but he beleived in the right of people to be either. This country was founded on the ideals of the humanities coming out of the Age of Reason. These are the very ideals under attack by fundimentalists and right-wing fanatics today.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:27 amTime is ticking away to the day when all you guys get jobs and turn Republican.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:02 am#181
January 5th, 2007 at 9:09 amI have a job requiring the use of two or three different languages, and I will never turn Republican. And adios to you, Muchacha-boy!
[…] Found at Thinkprogress. Filed under: National […]
January 5th, 2007 at 9:13 amok, if anything, the media circus about this was just over the fact that its the first time this happened. like the same thing the media did about pelosi being the first female speaker. if the quran has more meaning to him, let him swear by it. good for him. you guys got some f’d up ideas about what “conservative” actually means. lemme give you a clue, conservative != republican
January 5th, 2007 at 9:34 amthey haven’t been conservative for REAL in a long time.
#167 halbert holmert
I have a copy of mein kampf does that make me a nazi ?
Yes. Normally it wouldn’t. But, in your case, considering that so many of the passages in it are highlighted with “Yes!” or “Awesome!” scrawled in the margin and a number of the pages are stuck together, I’d have to say yes, you’re a nazi.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:51 am#184 correctwing
you guys got some f’d up ideas about what “conservative†actually means. lemme give you a clue, conservative != republican
they haven’t been conservative for REAL in a long time.
I would encourage the real conservatives (not the warped, repressed bluenoses that call themselves social conservatives) to take back the Republican party soon or there won’t be one left to take back.
If the word “conservative” has been redefined, you can thank the idiots who redefined “liberal” and turned it into an insult for that.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:00 amI do not like the fact that he was sworn in with the Koran. Whats next, witches swearing in on a Harry Potter book … scientologist with an L.Ron Hubbard book? This is making a mockery of american traditionalism for the interest of a single person.
This is America and everyone has sworn in using the New Testament. I do not see Jewish/Mormon congressman requesting to use the Torah/BookOfMormon. Therefore, if your going to represent America and American values then you should be required to be sworn in using what has always been used.
This is america slowly being taken apart by liberalsim and its ashamed to see it happening so easily.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:52 amHe wasn’t sworn in using the koran. Every congress person was sworn in without placing their hand on any book. This picture is just a photo-op, much like your yearbook pictures. Every congress person gets one. Something to take home and hang on the wall. That’s why the families are in these pictures.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pmHal, you cut and paste with the best. You rule. Original thought is tough, but blindly following another’s lead is routine for the Christians isn’t it?
You could help me out though, if you would. You seem to be a pretty hard core Christian and I have a question that has been bothering me for years. I have asked several pious Christians, but never got a straight answer.
Did Jesus’ shit stink?
Because mine does. And if Jebus’ did too, he might have been just a human being and not divine. And the Bible might just be another self help book. Although, honestly, it’s a little self contradictory and violent for me.
Thanks for your help little buddy.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:11 pmThanks for the answer Halliberto, that’s what I thought.
So it did stink, and the Bible is not divinely inspired. You don’t know how relieved I am to hear that. I was just about to whack my neighbor for working last weekend, and sacrifice my daughter for talking back, and my wife for wearing cotton and wool to the Xmas party. Like the Book says to do.
How about if we just cut out the part that says love thy neighbor and throw the rest of the shit in the trash?
By the way, I think all religions are myths, not just picking on you Xians.
Read Sam Harris’ “Letter to a Christian Nation” and get a life.
January 5th, 2007 at 1:09 pmHey, I don’t know who this “Hal Holmert” idiot is, but he surely does not speak for Me!!
January 5th, 2007 at 3:14 pm[…] (taken from Think Progress) […]
January 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pmhalbert holmert, your comments about Islamic dogma and its incompatibility with democratic ideas raise an interesting conundrum. It’s associated with the American fantasy that religious people are ipso facto moral; i.e.: If moderately religious people (pick any faith) mean well, shouldn’t fundamentalists (pick any religion, again) be even more well-meaning?
The fact is, religion is a scourge that threatens humanity on every level — from jihads (once again, name a religion) to its war on human knowledge, reason and the Golden Rule. Religious political correctness is going to kill us all.
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January 5th, 2007 at 9:56 pm“….the first step to becoming backwards always starts with the women.
Cover the women, ban the women from going in public areas, cut the women’s genitals, stop them from working or driving or shopping.
Actually, it was Islam that empowered the women in the days of early Islam. Modest dress is requirement for men and women alike, women are allowed to work (and keep their own money and property) circumcision is not an islamic concept but pre-islamic, more african and unfortunately it has become mistakenly entwined with the cultures who perform it and women cant drive in saudi arabia…..thats culture not religion…and furthermore…kings are not allowed in islam so the KINGDOM of saudi arabia already has a huge problem there….and there is no where in the quran or sunnah that says a woman cant go to buy some new threads.
its amazing how little people know but how much they espouse to know about women in islam.
heh heh….1.
January 8th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIslamic religion and culture is stuck in a time warp and can’t get up.