O’Reilly Criticizes Pre-Judging Pelosi, Then Attacks Her As ‘The Most Liberal Woman In The World’
O’Reilly Criticizes Pre-Judging Pelosi, Then Attacks Her As ‘The Most Liberal Woman In The World’
Last night, Bill O’Reilly opened a discussion about new House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) by pointing out that “a lot of conservatives are already hammering Ms. Pelosi.” O’Reilly said, “I don’t think that’s fair. … I don’t think it’s fair just to go in with a hammer on Nancy Pelosi. Let’s see what she’s got, what they’ll do.”
Moments later, during the same segment, O’Reilly attacked Pelosi as “the most liberal woman in the world.” Watch both comments back-to-back:
O’Reilly has previously (and falsely) bragged about coining the term “San Francisco Values,” which he apparently first used “during the October 2 broadcast of Westwood One’s The Radio Factor, when he called Pelosi a ‘far-left secular-progressive bomb thrower‘ and warned that ‘[i]f you vote for the Democrats and if they get a majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate,’ then ‘you bring to America San Francisco values.’”
Full transcript:
O’REILLY: Alright, you know, a lot of conservatives are already hammering Ms. Pelosi. I don’t think that’s fair. I obviously don’t — you know, she and I don’t get along real well. If you read Culture Warrior, you’ll get a good laugh out of a —
MORRIS: Oh, thanks for the Culture Warrior mug you sent me, Bill.
O’REILLY: It’s okay. But I don’t think it’s fair just to go in with a hammer on Nancy Pelosi. Let’s see what she’s got, what they’ll do.
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MORRIS: You’re going to see the Howard Dean element of the Democratic Party increasingly breaking away from the Pelosi mainstream of the Party.
O’REILLY: Well, Pelosi is about the most liberal woman in the world. You would think that she would embrace the Howard Dean tactics, but she doesn’t seem to be doing that.
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Watched some of this drivel. They attacked her for not having anything about Iraq for the first 100 hours. Didn’t bother to listen to her speech and now look particularly foolish after the letter to the President.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pm‘you bring to America San Francisco values.’
Does this mean we’ll all have to do acid, wear outrageous clothes, listen to the Dead and the Airplane and the Quicksilver Messenger Service, and love one another? Groovy, man.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pmHow’s that 30% base, O’lielly?
January 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmO’Reilly’s ratings continue to dip…
January 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWhile flipping the remote I caught part of the usual screaming O’lilie match last night….I will only say what I have said before..O’Lilie is a rude peice of shit and should not get any air time or space here…Same with Pat Robertson and the relegious telavangelests that make billion’s off poor souls that pay into and buy their crap, believing they can buy their sorry selves into their heaven…Geeees give us a break…Please save us from all these nut cases…Blessings
January 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI think this post misses the main point of this whole segment.
And that point is Toesucker Morris’s pleasure in receiving Orally’s fabulous “Culture Warrior” mug.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe man has an obvious mental disorder if he can say one thing, then say virtually the opposite without realizing it. He’s so arrogant he doesn’t even hear the words that come into his own ears.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHmm, San Francisco values – war is bad, discrimination is bad, invest in high-technology sector, innovation, diversity, great cheap burritos. Sign me up. I’ll even put up with the fog and rain, expensive housing and no parking.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmwhy is this blog wasting time on this nut?
the “OMGZZ HE SAID THAT!” shock value wore off years ago.
we all knwo what he is, we all know who his viewers/listeners are. so whats the freaking point of this?
January 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI still say O’Reilly’s a Lying Man. And I ain’t too fond of Pat Robertson either, Sharon.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pmIn addition to the hypocrisy, the first thing I noticed was that he took the immediate opportunity to pimp his book.
Reminded me of a political version of Robert Tilton.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmO’ Reilly would have to be able to assess every woman’s political stance on this planet in order to say that.
I’ve seen much more liberal women than Pelosi. I went to a Rainbow Gathering and saw women who liberally wore no clothes.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThis reminds me. I want to check out worldcantwait.com
January 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI’ll take San Fancisco values over Head Up the Ass values ANYDAY.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm#13 hellinabucket,
If you haven’t noticed yet, it’s http://www.worldcantwait.org/.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pmReminded me of a political version of Robert Tilton.
Comment by Peter
FLASHBACK:
Whew, we used to watch Bob back in college, while swilling and smoking, laughing all the way. Some friends even sent bogus prayers to him in order to get the “free” calender! He’s back on the air, somewhere, though not quite as crazy/charismatic.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pm” be sure to wear some flowers in your hair, flowers in your hair, flowers everywhere…”
January 5th, 2007 at 2:54 pmbring it ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O’Loofa was a gas last night:
I watched this moron’s show last night because I needed to laugh and he did not disappoint.
He was so full of sh#t and devoid of facts that I thought he must have shoved too much Falafel up his “no spin zone”.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:58 pmAnother fluff post by TP. Here then is a fluff post by the Turtle.
Caption Contest:
Bill: But you have to say Nancy looks fine. If it were me I’d get some falafel and smear it all over her naked tummy – like this and then I’d ….
January 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmBillyO!!!! Can you feel Keith Olbermann’s hot breath on your neck yet? Does it turn you on?
And BTW, is a Culture Warrior the same as the Golden State Warriors? (Just checking.)
January 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pmBush: hey Saddam, get out of Kuwait, you, you… Hitler, you…
Saddam: Dude chill, this is our “Manifest Destiny”
Bush: Sorry old chap – my mistake carry on.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:11 pmal franken just played an o’lielly quote for his game “wait wait don’t lie to me”… the contestant has to guess if the quote is a lie, weasel or truth…
o’lielly claimed that there are more fake trees than real ones these days, and then actually said there is a study out that a majority of women who have fake xmas trees also have fake breasts… “there’s a correlation”…
franken’s staff could not substantiate that factoid…
i just thought it was kinda funny… what an idiot…
January 5th, 2007 at 3:11 pmoh, he was saying this to his female co-host… yea… a true gentleman…
…
D’o h – wrong thread.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:12 pmFor Truth, what is that and where.? Had not heard of the Rainbow Gathering….No clothes, hummm. I’m much more libral than Palosi but would not parade naked any more…..My neighbors would be blinded by the glare of all the old wrinkled white skin….LOL….Blessings……Make that a 1 for Frisco, California and a big zero for Crawford, Texas…
January 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI think that Thinkprogress is the most liberal website in the world. What is that an insult?
January 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pmJake sez:
O’Reilly seems to think so…
January 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pmSharon,
Here’s the Rainbow Gathering.
And this one too.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pmSo when did Dems finally realize that calling someone a Liberal is an insult. I am glad you guys and gals are realizing how horrible Liberal values are for America. I mean, you must or you wouldnt think that someone calling you a liberal is an insult.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pmSo what if Pelosi is the most liberal woman in the world? Voters knew what they were getting when the voted for her and the Democrats. O’Lielly insults Americans when he tries to claim that voters don’t want what they voted for.
Why does O’Lielly hate America and our voting system?
January 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pmRogerx2,
Insults are a matter of perception. If you call me a liberal, I am not insulted.
We already see where conservative values have gotten this country — your kind of place. Comfy?
January 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pmIn 17th & 18th century London, the nobility found it entertaining to travel to Bedlam and watch the lunatics. Guess things haven’t changed so much, we just pay the lunatics these days.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:47 pmRoger_Roger,
Well, if you hate liberal values so much then you probably hate the fact that your water is clean, your air is breathable, we have a public education system (that does need some work, I gather, based on your comments), and a forty-hour work week with opportunities for overtime for most people. It was because of Liberals that we have those things. It was conservatives who fought against every one of them.
If you hate liberals so much, then please find another site that makes you happy. That way we all win.
Still proud to be a conservative, Roger?
Because I AM DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL!
January 5th, 2007 at 3:47 pmSo when did Dems finally realize that calling someone a Liberal is an insult. I am glad you guys and gals are realizing how horrible Liberal values are for America. I mean, you must or you wouldnt think that someone calling you a liberal is an insult.
Comment by Roger_Roger
I think you, and Bore, are confusing liberal (liberty or freedom) with libertine.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:48 pmYes Roger how do you quantify the name conservative when the conservatives (in office) have been anything but fiscally, or morally, conservative?
They have indebted America up to it’s eyeballs for what, exactly?
January 5th, 2007 at 3:51 pmI do not consider being called a liberal an insult. That is a republican game started by George Bush Sr. by calling liberal the “L word,” as if anyone saying the word “liberal” was using the “F word.”
The Bushes are the biggest f*ckups the world has ever seen. The word “republican” and especially what it means is the word that everyone is sick of.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pmDid anyone else besides Wayne and I see Joe Scarborough respond to BillO’s statement that “everyone working at NBC is liberal”? Man, was Scarborough pissed! He tore BillO a new one, and challenged him to a debate “anytime, anywhere”! It was truly amazing. We actually applauded when he was done.
January 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pmRoger_Roger sez:
Ah Roger_Roger…still trying to false dilemmas pas us, huh?
(How many times has that worked for you? Zero? Wow…your track record is much like our Fearless Leader’s…)
Calling someone ‘liberal’ isn’t an insult, no matter how much you and Bill-O curl your lips when you utter the hated word.
Well, you got that right! Just look at the mess this country’s in! If we only had someone conservative, or even neo-conservative at the helm all this time, think how well off we’d be!
Oh…wait a minute…
January 5th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAccording to wikipedia Oreilly;
O’Reilly was born in “liberal”New York City, to Irish Catholic parents William and Angela O’Reilly. In 1995, O’Reilly was replaced by former NBC News and CBS News anchor Deborah Norville on Inside Edition. He then enrolled at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where he received a Master’s Degree in Public Administration. Upon leaving Harvard.
Now we see that Oreilly attended the “Liberal” John Kennedy school of government at Liberal Harvard Univeristy =)
January 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pmTripmaster,
TP obviously agrees with me on this or they would be wasting time posting a nonstory. This headline is basically TP calling out O’Reilly for saying we should give Pelosi a chance but then “insulting” her by calling her a liberal. If calling someone a liberal isn’t an insult, then O’Reilly hasn’t insulted her and TP doesn’t have a story. So, is Liberal an insult and this is a story or isn’t it and TP is wasting our time?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pmHow can TP say it is an “attack” to call someone a liberal unless they to believe that the liberal mindset is wrong?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pmActually I think ‘Liberal’ falafel Oreilly is not criticising Pelosi, but letting her know how much he likes “liberals”, being a ‘liberal’ himself. =)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHow can TP say it is an “attack†to call someone a liberal unless they to believe that the liberal mindset is wrong?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Too fool you, of course, Roger =)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThe “most liberal woman in the world”?! She’s good, VERY good, but she’s not THAT great!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pmFor Truth, Thank’s for the link’s…I do remember last summer seeing something about their gathering on the new’s…Negative ofcourse..Not suprising…A bit over the top for this old hippie, don’t like large gathering’s anymore but if their reason’s and beliefs as a group hold true it is a good thing…Blessings
January 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pmRoger_Roger sez:
Yet another one of your false dilemmas…how cute.
Apparently, you didn’t actually read my earlier post. I’ll repost the relevant passage for your convenience:
I’ll readily concede that Bill-O meant liberal as an insult, given his past fascination with all those to the left of him (read: everyone except Dick Cheney), but just because someone attempts to insult you doesn’t mean that you are necessarily insulted.
Get it yet, Roger_Roger?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pmIts probably rough to get a conservative woman to agree to dildos and phone sex.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThe story is another example that O’Lielly is a liar and a hypocrite. TP and other liberal blogs have to continually keep people awake and alert by exposing neocon hypocrisy as it happens.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pmSince WHEN is being called a liberal an insult to Progs??? Nico, are we being a tad defensive??? Now if you were called, “God-fearing” or “patriotic,” I could understand the upset…..
January 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pmJohn Kennedy was Irish Catholic, right Roger?
So if Kennedy was a Catholic, then why Oreilly must be Catholic, and Liberal, and if Catholics are religious then they must believe in God, and are therefore Conservative, yes? And if Oreilly is an independent then he can still be considered a conservative, since he believes in God, as I do, can he, even though he says he’s not. although he has worked for that darn liberal media.
And if Catholics believe in God, then they, Liberals, are not Godless are they?
ZaZen!
Poor Rogers head is about to explode.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pmRoger,
The Vatican was against hanging Saddam.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pmChrist, O’Reilly, just stop using coded language.
Just admit that you’re afraid she might turn us all gay. Cretin.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — January 5, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Alright, whose dog crapped on the floor and they forgot to pick it up?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pmSince WHEN is being called a liberal an insult to Progs??? Nico, are we being a tad defensive??? Now if you were called, “God-fearing†or “patriotic,†I could understand the upset…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite
So MA do you have progress, you know electricity at your house? How about a computer? seems you do, or your peddling a Gilligan style cocnut bicycle, which I doubt, How about your car, does it have A/C and cruise control? What about that damn progressive industrial revolution? And I bet you wear digital watches too and have progressive digital clocks? And if you have pets, you have progressed to implanting microchips in them yes?
Why aren’t you living in a cave and washing your clothes in the river?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:21 pmmighty aphrodite sez:
Your reading comprehension, sadly, is as poor as always, MA. Let me see if I can help you out.
Nico characterized Bill-O calling Nancy Pelosi ‘the most liberal woman in the world’ because it’s obvious that Bill-O meant it as an insult and an attack. If someone called you a neocon, MA, you’d probably be flattered, despite the fact that that would be a deadly insult to anyone with a conscience.
As I just finished explaining to your playmate Roger_Roger, because someone attempts to insult you doesn’t necessarily mean you are insulted.
Is this all clear to you now?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pmIt ISN’T an insult to be called a liberal! That is the point of the article! Sheesh, what an idiot!!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pmSo it is like saying Bill O’Reilly “attacked” Bush for being consevative? No one is offended but it is somehow an attack! Now I get it. Calling a spade a spade is an attack in Dem world. Like saying the Federal Government is 60+ trillion in debt with entitlement programs like Social Security holding most the blame. It is all true, but it is somehow an attack on someone.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmBecause I AM DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — January 5, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Count me in on that. Why I don’t call myself a Progressive – but a Liberal. Because I’ve lived on both sides of the political specrum and liberal is a title to be proud of…
January 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIf we let the dog crap dry, then it can be used as furniture.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:24 pmIts probably rough to get a conservative woman to agree to dildos and phone sex.
Comment by ForTruth
Not that they would admit…..
January 5th, 2007 at 4:25 pmIf we let the dog crap dry, then it can be used as furniture.
Comment by ForTruth — January 5, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Remind me to never come to your house for dinner… :D
January 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pmRoger_Roger sez:
You can’t seriously be this stupid, Roger_Roger. Exactly how do you find your way home at night?
No, it is not at all like saying Bill O’Reilly “attacked†Bush for being consevative. It is more like saying Al Franken attacked Bush for being conservative. See the difference?
(No, you probably don’t…but for some reason I keep trying…)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:29 pmLike saying the Federal Government is 60+ trillion in debt with entitlement programs like Social Security holding most the blame.
Comment by Roger_Roger — January 5, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Bullshit, R2, Social Security has very little to do with your Republican Congress running a surplus into a debt. Please place the blame squarely on Bush, his war, and your greedy heroes, where it belongs. Conservatives, my ass!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:29 pmIf we let the dog crap dry, then it can be used as furniture.
Comment by ForTruth
In Texas we use Cow Chips and have contests throwing it while swilling beer =)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pmANOTHER DAMN PROUD LIBERAL HERE!!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWe used to dry all manner of scat, give it a good coat of polyurethane, string it together as necklaces, and sell them to the tourists…
January 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pmIf Oreilly was a Traditionalist would he own a Falafel?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pmhow odd that TP would think that calling someone “liberal” is a derogatory attack. I think O’Leilly gave Pelosi a compliment.
Guess TP must be buying into that cult of republicanism unreality: up is down, lies are truth, conservatives are compassionate, liberal is bad – all utter bullshit.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:32 pm.
If we let the dog crap dry, then it can be used as furniture.
Obviously a reference to Roger_Roger and mighty aphrodite.
:o)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pmIn Texas we use Cow Chips and have contests throwing it while swilling beer =)
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 5, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Ah, culture! :)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pmWe used to dry all manner of scat, give it a good coat of polyurethane, string it together as necklaces, and sell them to the tourists…
Comment by Raven
And dinosaur (dolemite? i think it was called) poop is also a big seller!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:36 pmI love the irony inherent in the term “San Francisco values”. San Francisco’s values include compassion, diversity tolerance and acceptance of people as they are. Bill O’Reilly and a majority of the Republicans values include hate, intolerance, mean-spiritedness and divisiveness. The right wing prides themselves for supposedly being Christians. The irony is that if Jesus were alive today, which of these two sets of values do you think he would choose?
January 5th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAh, culture! :)
Traditionalism!!
HeH!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBefore I go home, let me explain this: TP is NOT putting this story up because Bill O called Nancy Pelosi a Liberal. The story is about his hypocrisy in saying in one breath “It’s not fair to go after her with a hammer right away, give her a chance”, and in the next breath using his worst (to him) “insult”, that she’s “the most liberal woman in the world” (which is NOT true but also NOT the point.) The point is the hypocrisy, okay?
Goodnight!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“Coprolite” is petrified dino dung, much to heavy for necklaces however. Makes a great door stop……;)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pmJane…very well put. ‘night.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pmAlright, you know, a lot of conservatives are already hammering Ms. Pelosi. I don’t think that’s fair. I obviously don’t — you know, she and I don’t get along real well. If you read Culture Warrior, you’ll get a good laugh out of a …
Forget the “liberal” insult. O’Reilly says here he doesn’t thing it fair that a lot of conservatives are “hammering” Speaker Pelosi, then makes a suggestion that he has done so in his book. I haven’t read it (and won’t) but I’ll bet he did a lot of hammering there. My take is that O’Reilly is so full of himself that he wants everyone else to leave the anti-Pelosi commentary to him (and to buy his book).
January 5th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#73 If the victim doesn’t see a comment as an insult, it isn’t an insult. Then again, maybe Pelosi does see the tag of Liberal as an insult. Then O’reilly was wrong and should apoligize.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:43 pmZep Tepi sez:
Fossil fecal matter is called coprolite.
Dolemite is something altogether different. ^_^
January 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmRoger_Roger sez:
Finally! Have we finally gotten through to you, Roger_Roger?
Wow, now you’re really reaching, dolt. ‘Mabye Pelosi does see the tag of Liberal as an insult’? Is that really the best you got?
You need to work on ending your posts a few sentences earlier.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pmPelosi doesn’t see the tage of liberal as an insult. She has lived in the most liberal area of the country for decades. She is a proud San Francisco liberal. And she would never let O’Lielly or anyone else victimize her.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pmComment by Zep Tepi
Just having fun with you. Besides, I can’t really talk. I live in Dutchess County, NY, home of the annual county fair in Rhinebeck. One of their “contests” involves mapping out a grid in a holding pen, selling off squares on a board corresponding to them, and then awarding a cash prize to the person who can guess which square a cow will crap in when released into the pen. So throwing cow chips can’t be much worse, but at least it’s closer to an active sport than to gambling. :)
January 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pmFossil fecal matter is called coprolite.
Dolemite is something altogether different. ^_^
Ah well, I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong again =)
I did get the ITE part right lol
January 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmMy take is that O’Reilly is so full of himself that he wants everyone else to leave the anti-Pelosi commentary to him (and to buy his book).
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — January 5, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
This hits the nail on the head.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#62, I hope your not talking about the “surplus” Clinton had. Even the year Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion, the true number was a $484 billion deficit. Standard accounting rules require them to report all expenses including those from entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicaid. Adding those costs would make federal accounting similar to that used by corporations, state and local governments and large non-profit entities such as universities and charities. It would show the government recording enormous losses because the deficit would reflect the growing shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare. The government would have reported nearly $40 trillion in losses since 1997 if Social Security and Medicare had been included.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:53 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolomite
Actually I was thinking of this organic matter. But Yet it was still wrong.
Oh well.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pm#81 Wayne….You live in Dutchess County? I was under the impression you and Jane lived near Shea Stadium….
January 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmJust having fun with you. Besides, I can’t really talk. I live in Dutchess County, NY, home of the annual county fair in Rhinebeck. One of their “contests†involves mapping out a grid in a holding pen, selling off squares on a board corresponding to them, and then awarding a cash prize to the person who can guess which square a cow will crap in when released into the pen. So throwing cow chips can’t be much worse, but at least it’s closer to an active sport than to gambling. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Bwahaha, have to show that one to my rancher friend!
January 5th, 2007 at 4:56 pmRogerRoger
If the victim doesn’t see a comment as an insult, it isn’t an insult. … Comment by Roger_Roger
How can someone be a “victim” if they aren’t insulted by an insulter. You are trying so hard to confuse the issue, that you have obviously confused yourself beyond your usual state of confusion. Thus, you have essentially insulted and victimized yourself by your confused posts.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:56 pmto rrooggeerr, aphro, pleuge, etc…
the point of TP’s posting this story is NOT that being called a liberal is an insult – it is the fact that “O’Reilly Criticizes Pre-Judging Pelosi, Then Attacks Her…” …idjits, all
oh, and count me as a PROUD, PROGRESSIVE, DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL.
January 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pm.
Roger_Roger sez:
If things were as bad as you say, why is it that the first thing your Hero did after he was appointed President in 2000 was issue tax refunds?
I’ll let you chew on that one for a while…
January 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmHey TP,
Why were the links stripped from my post #82? They were just links to Wikipedia, for crying out loud.
Thanks, TP….I had almost forgotten how heavy-handed and arbitrary the admins are here. Thanks for the refresher.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#91, Because he is a moron just like most politicians. It is worse then you think. If we took every single penny that the entire US economy made for 1 year, we couldn’t pay our debt. This is beyond the definition of bankrupt. These entitlement programs have already brought us to bankrupcy and now I hear talk that we need Unversal Health Care. We currently would need to add roughly $6,700 in taxes to every single American Family to just cover Social Secuirty and Medicare. Add another 4k-6k per year for a Universal Health plan. Are you prepared to ask each and every American family to pony up $6,700 more per year on top of what they pay now?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by Exley
We live in Pawling, which is on the county’s southern border with Putnam County, which is a small county right above Westchester County which sits right above The Bronx. Takes about an hour to get the vacinity of Shea, and then another (who knows how long?) to get from the Whitestone Bridge to the stadium. Not really close, but close enough that we could make a day of it. But not every day. But it’s mostly Jane who goes down to the stadium with either my sister or a friend from work. I personally do not enjoy the experience of the ballpark for my own personal reasons, so I usually don’t go with her.
One quick line and then I should no longer bring the OT subject up:
January 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmJ-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS! (I hope they can do it, but I know it won’t be easy.)
Please read this USA Today report on the “real” deficit. Also, what’s with the name calling mighty?
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20060803/1a_coverart03.art_dom.htm
January 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBwahaha, have to show that one to my rancher friend!
Comment by Zep Tepi
Might be a good way for him to earn a few bucks on the side. :)
January 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAre you prepared to ask each and every American family to pony up $6,700 more per year on top of what they pay now?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Just wait till you add in the war costs of one to two trillion. Social Security pales in comparison.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — January 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
i have seldom, if ever, had luck posting a wiki link…
January 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pmcan’t figure it out…
Actually Zep,
Social Security alone adds more debt in 1 year then the entire cost of the Iraq and Afgan wars combined. It is amazing actually that more Americans don’t realize how bad these horrible programs are costing us. If you care about what we spent in Iraq for the last 5+ years, then you must be pissed that we put more debt on the books in 1 year from Social Secuirty then the entire cost of the Iraq War.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAre you prepared to ask each and every American family to pony up $6,700 more per year on top of what they pay now?
Comment by Roger_Roger
I vote that we make the corporations pay more in taxes, lose some of their sweetheart tax breaks for doing nothing, and make some of the ultra-wealthy go back to paying their fair share in taxes for all of their unearned income. That would go a long way toward paying for it.
Plus, we could allow the government to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare. Remember, it’s not that these drugs cost so much; it’s that these unconscionable companies charge so much. That’s one way to make it more affordable.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWayne, Hey, no need to tell me where Dutchess County is….I am native New Yorker myself (Although I no longer reside there)…Anyway, I agree with you about the Jets. Won’t be easy…But all things are possible….I am just happy to be in the playoffs. To me, we are playing with house money on Sunday….
Okay, now back to the regularly scheduled discussion….Have a good weekend, Wayne.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmYou too, Exley. Enjoy the game. It’ll be more fun for you than a Democratically-controlled Congress, but without as much sex.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmRoger_Roger sez:
BZZZZT! Nice try. Throwing your Fearless Leader under the bus to save your fallacious argument was a nice touch, but the correct answer is that we did have a surplus before Chimpy got his mitts on it. I’d explain in more detail, but thankfully, post #93 sums it up quite admirably.
No, it’s not. I’ve done quite a bit of research into the subject, and while it is appalling, I’m quite aware of just how appalling it is. Please don’t assume I’m ignorant of the issues, especially right after you prove yourself to be.
Here’s a wacky idea…the war in Iraq, to date, has cost us roughly $355,950,000,000.00. That’s probably enough to get us started.
Also, you might consider hitting up Rummy for the 2.3 trillion dollars that was mysteriously ‘lost’ on September 10, 2001. That’s $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.A….more than enough to cover that $6,700 figure you’re carping about.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAre you prepared to ask each and every American family to pony up $6,700 more per year on top of what they pay now?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Rx2,
And what about the 100’s of billions we have subsidized Halliburton, ExxonMobil and the 1%ers over the past 6 years? Anyone that defends the Repugs has no right to call themselves Conservatives. There is NOTHING conservative about this Clusterf*ck in the WH.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmSocial Security alone adds more debt in 1 year then the entire cost of the Iraq and Afgan wars combined. …Comment by Roger_Roger
Social Security collects money from working Americans (income) and provides money to retired Americans (expense). Sometimes the income is less than the expense and small adjustments fix the deficit.
The Iraq and Afgan wars spend billions (expense). No money coming in, no income. All debt.
You show your confusion again.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI see that Satan is using TP to prevent me from voicing my opinion, but that’s alright. Within the next couple years Fancy Nancy will reveal her views about certain issues, which are consisted of complete immorality. You’ll find out that she’s a very dark and wretched individual.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmMEXICAN NATIONALS HAVE OVERRUN NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ON THE MEXICAN BORDER
Comment by halbert holmert — January 5, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Nancy wants all illegals to come in and be treated like Americans, though they haven’t earned that right.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmMEXICAN NATIONALS HAVE OVERRUN NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ON THE MEXICAN BORDER
Comment by halbert holmert
Since somebody has to do it, I’ll volunteer.
Where did you hear this? Got a source?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmCorrection: “No money coming in, no income. All deficit.” The debt comes from the fact that we are borrowing the money to finance the war.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmYou’ll find out that she’s a very dark and wretched individual.
Comment by Daryll
If that’s true, you two should get along just fine.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmDaryll, please give us the link that references Nancy Pelosi stating that she wants all illegals to come in and be treated like Americans, though they haven’t earned that right.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pm#106 I agree again!! Subsidizing corporations is wrong and we shouldn’t do it. I also believe we shouldn’t subsidize American retirements. Especially since it is bankrupting us. To those that go with the “we are fine” mantra. Nice try, but using true accounting principles proves you very very wrong. Clintons “surplus” was only a surplus if you use accounting rules that are illegal for everyone else in America. Using standard accounting proves his surplus an actual deficit of an amazing size. Bush is even worse (Much worse then is published). My point is that out politicians are (or have) run us into bankruptcy by never addressing the failed programs like Social Security and Medicare. Hell, bush added the prescription drug plan in 2004. Standard accounting would have tallied a whoppinh $8 trillion deficit just for that programs alone in 2004. By the way, that is roughly the size of all our profits for the entire American Economy for 1 year. My point is, this programs don’t even exist in reality anymore. It isn’t a slight tax increase that would “fix” them. We would have to take every single penny of profit from the entire American economy just to pay for these failed programs.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGunmen force Guard troops to flee post near border
Associated Press
Jan. 5, 2007 05:57 AM
TUCSON – National Guard troops working at an observatory post near the Mexican border were forced to flee after being approached by a group of armed individuals, authorities said.
The event occurred about 11 p.m. Wednesday at one of the National Guard entrance identification team posts near Sasabe, said National Guard Sgt. Edward Balaban.
He said the troops withdrew safely, no shots were fired and no one suffered injuries.
U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the incident and trying to determine who the armed people were, what they were doing and why they approached the post before retreating to Mexico.
The incident occurred in the west desert corridor between Nogales and Lukeville in the vicinity of Sasabe, Balaban said.
“We don’t know exactly how many because obviously it took place in the dark,” Balaban said. “Nobody was able to get an accurate count.”
January 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pm…
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0105BorderAttack05-ON.html
Turned on your TV?
Comment by halbert holmert
No, I’m still at the office. Which channel on TV did you hear this on? I want to know your specific source.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmhttp://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html
January 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmTo people like Daryll, anyone who supports diversity and embraces the spirit of cooperation is a very dark and wretched individual.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWell, I think we should all get hysterical. Especially since the outcome over this isolated incident was “…troops withdrew safely, no shots were fired and no one suffered injuries.”
January 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pm#124 Immigrants don’t scare me but these drug dealers coming from mexico with machine guns do. Why didn’t our Guardmen kill these terrorists when they entered America illegally and threathened American Soldiers?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmNo, I am not suggesting that you are lying. I just want to know how you heard about this “breaking news” that you felt was so important to this thread that you had to annouce it in all caps. But katy was kind enough to provide a source (from a newspaper, no less) that shows this wasn’t the major incident it seemed like you wanted to make it out to be.
If you’re going to break into a thread with an unrelated subject, it helps people if they knew what your source was. That’s all. BTW, “It is all over TV take your pick.” did not adequately answer my question when I asked what your source was. You know, we have had trolls try to break into a thread with a thoroughly incorrect interpretation of some news, and that’s why I asked you for your source (which is usually understood to be a request for a specific one, not just a general one like “TV”.)
I never said you were lying. Your own suspicious mind came up with that one.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhy didn’t our Guardmen kill these terrorists when they entered America illegally and threathened American Soldiers?
Comment by Roger_Roger
If you read the article in katy’s link at #117, you would know the answer to that question.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pm#121 To people like Daryll, anyone who supports diversity and embraces the spirit of cooperation is a very dark and wretched individual.
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party
Cut Daryll some slack here, after all, he is sitting at the Evangelical bus stop waiting for the Rapturemobile to come and whisk him away from all of this! (Also sighted at that stop were Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Ted Haggard.)
January 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pm#130 I am retired and served in Desert Storm. Thanks for your support however.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pmf.y.i. – i went to news.google.com and searched “Mexican border, National Guard” … lots of links, most are blog types… including “hot air” – is that malkin?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmlove the news.google.com…
#134 PELOSI IS THE MOST LIBERAL WOMAN IN THE WORLD
SHE SUPPORTS MEXICAN NATIONALS COMING ACROSS
ILLEGALLY by halbert holmert
hal, ol’ Buddy, you couldn’t carry her Gucci handbag, as that would take more gonads than you possess.
And while we are on that subject, what about your sodomy sister, Dubya, he has killed over 3,000 American citizens, hundreds of thousnads of Iraqi’s and only spends a few hundred billion doing it, by selling our country to China.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmComment by halbert holmert
You seem to have reading comprehension problems. It also appears that your psychic abilities are not what you think they might be.
I never said you were lying, and I never called you names. And if “all that typing was for nought”, it was only because you wasted your time posting it on more than one thread.
I will no longer let you waste my time. Good day to you, sir.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmBY THE WAY WAYNE ?
YOU ARE WITHOUT DOUBT A SMARTASS TOO
Why don’t you tell me something my mother hasn’t already told me a million times.
And please, I’m begging you, READ A BOOK!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pmhalbert holmert …please give us the link with the statement by Nancy Pelosi that says she supports Mexican nationals coming across illegally. Thank you.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmOnce another terrorist attack happens, blame Fancy Nancy. Because she voted against the deportability of illegal immigrants and strengthening our borders, basically anybody can walk past our borders. I believe we have terrorists in our country preparing to attack us, read “Fighting Terrorism Liddy Style”. Terrorist groups are recruiting people that have a physical appearance like us. I guess you liberals will never learn.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:09 pmTerrorist groups are recruiting people that have a physical appearance like us.
Comment by Daryll — January 5, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Pray tell, who in the planet has a physical appearance that is distinctively different from “us”? Africans, Asians, Arabs?
How can you tell a terrorist just by looking at them?
January 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pmNANCY PEOLOSI SUPPORTS ILLEGALS COMING ACROSS
You still haven’t provided a link.
HER RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
You still haven’t provided a link.
NO STATEMENT NECESSARY FROM ME
You still haven’t provided a link.
THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE IS IN MY COURT
You still haven’t provided a link.
YOU BARE THE BURDEN OF PROVING SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
You still haven’t provided a link.
CAREFUL NOW … THIS IS BOUND TO GOOD
You still haven’t provided a link.
PELOSI CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO ACTUALLY SCREEN ILLEGALS CAN SHE THAT ARE SNEAKING ACROSS THE BORDER
You still haven’t provided a link.
ARMED NO LESS ?
You still haven’t provided a link.
I AWAIT YOUR HIGHLY SPUN RESPONSE
January 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pmYou still haven’t provided a link.
Terrorist groups are recruiting people that have a physical appearance like us. I guess you liberals will never learn.
Comment by Daryll
You mean they look like human beings? Oh, we’re screwed now!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmTerrorist groups are recruiting people that have a physical appearance like us. I guess you liberals will never learn.
Comment by Daryll
You mean they look like human beings? Oh, we’re screwed now!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — January 5, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
I’ll specify, they’re recruiting Hispanics, Americans and Europeans. Use satire, when the next attack happens, blame yourself for not being vigilant.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:24 pmOh shit, there goes the neighborhood – now Darryl and Hal are playing tag team. plus we had the eternal wisdom of Mighty Afro (laughed at any dead kids lately?) spreading her particular brand of petrified sunshine…
January 5th, 2007 at 6:24 pmHow’s that book-reading coming along, halbert? I’m not going to respond to your spurious comments about Speaker Pelosi because I’m leaving the office now and going home. So I’ll let you waste someone else’s time. But do have a good day.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:26 pmDaryll + halbert = Trolls
January 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI’ll specify, they’re recruiting Hispanics, Americans and Europeans.
Comment by Daryll — January 5, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
So, terrorists, by definition, look like -what, Arabs? Asians?
Really? What did McVeigh look like?
And you have no neighbors, acquaintances of Middle Eastern, or Asian ancestry? You must live a very sheltered life…
January 5th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI guess you liberals will never learn.
Comment by Daryll — January 5, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
ROTFL…
Osama killed almost 3000 Americans and you call it bad. Bush has killed 3000+ Americans and you comtinue to support him.
Sure, yeah,it is us who doesn’t learn. Sheesh… Please tell me you were homeschooled or a high school dropout.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pmhal is actually imploding in public…
No facts, evidence, and nothing but insults. What a waste of space… I guess it shows how low the collective IQ of that remaining 20% base is… In fact, about the same as their combined percentage.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmANYONE WHO PROVES ME OR MY CLIQUE WRONG IS A TROLL
ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS ME RIGHT OR WRONG IS MY CONFIDANT
Comment by halbert holmert — January 5, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Nonsense. But that’s all you seem to be posting…
January 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmTry some decaf Hal. Frankly you are the one not posting a single understandable thing. I checked the major news websites, nothing about Mexicans crossing the border and overwhelming National Guard troops.
Daryll,
Frankly Pelosi is discussing the need to implement the 9/11 commsions ideas. I think that at least a few of those would mean better border security. I am for border security. I don’t think we can lay low, and hope the storm passes, but I don’t think we needed to get involved in Iraq.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI guess it shows how low the collective IQ of that remaining 20% base is…
Comment by unbelievable — January 5, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
I’d say about room temperature. In Celsius degrees.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHal-
Didn’t your supervisor warn you about posting these idiotic comments without running them through a spell and grammar checker? The RNC is paying big Rupees for this service and, frankly, they aren’t getting their money’s worth.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI’d say about room temperature. In Celsius degrees.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 5, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
You’re being very generous :D
January 5th, 2007 at 7:00 pmPELOSI SUPPORTS ILLEGALS COMING IN BUT NOBODY IS WATCHING WHO IS WHO
Comment by halbert holmert — January 5, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Er… of course nobody is watching who is who. They sneak across the border or overstay their visas.
If someone were watching, these people would have a proper passport with the proper stamp on it, and wouldn’t be called illegal aliens. Duh.
And terrorists don’t look like anything in particular. If you had Mohammed Atta, Tim McVeigh, Shoko Asahara, and Ted Kazsynski (sp?) in a line-up, you’d be wrong to pick only Atta as the terrorist. Again, duh.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:02 pmHalbert: “TYPICAL APOLOGIST PROGRESSIVE … ATTACK THE MESSENGER TO TRY TO REFUTE THE FACTS INTO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AND BELIEVE”
Mr. Holmert, I’ve reviewed your posts above and I’m still waiting for Fact One. Why don’t you get out of the basement, go upstairs and ask your Mommy for something to eat.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:05 pmBrother Daryll…
January 5th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWe have become concerned over thine undue attention to secular matters. It seems thou hast gone astray from a commitment to the lords work, and hast become seduced by wordly matters.
I think it’s pretty clear by the troll action around here that Bush cultists are having a meltdown.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:07 pmHALBERT LIKES TO SCREAM IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE HE THINKS IT WILL MAKE HIS POSTS LOOK RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT
January 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pmOk halfburnt holmet let’s see the facts
January 5th, 2007 at 7:52 pmActually Hallbert your talking about the Bush plan and not Pelosis.
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_02_02/buchanan.html
Real Message of The Bush Amnesty
by Pat Buchanan
If George Bush’s amnesty for between 8 million and 14 million illegal aliens is enacted, you can kiss the old America goodbye.
Consider what the president is saying with his amnesty. He is telling us that he cannot or will not do his constitutional duty to defend the states from invasion. He is saying that he simply cannot or will not protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws. He is saying he will no longer send illegal aliens back
Cmon Halbert stop with the insults alrady, you know that this was a Republican plan.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:02 pmActually Hallbert your talking about the Bush plan and not Pelosis.
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_02_02/buchanan.html
Real Message of The Bush Amnesty
by Pat Buchanan
If George Bush’s amnesty for between 8 million and 14 million illegal aliens is enacted, you can kiss the old America goodbye.
Consider what the president is saying with his amnesty. He is telling us that he cannot or will not do his constitutional duty to defend the states from invasion. He is saying that he simply cannot or will not protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws. He is saying he will no longer send illegal aliens back
Cmon Halbert stop with the insults already, you know that this was a Republican plan, and your selective memory is not enlightening
January 5th, 2007 at 8:04 pmHey Halbert you sure about that?
January 5th, 2007 at 8:09 pmHalbert your memory fails you
Real Message of The Bush Amnesty
by Pat Buchanan
If George Bush’s amnesty for between 8 million and 14 million illegal aliens is enacted, you can kiss the old America goodbye.
Consider what the president is saying with his amnesty. He is telling us that he cannot or will not do his constitutional duty to defend the states from invasion. He is saying that he simply cannot or will not protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws. He is saying he will no longer send illegal aliens back
January 5th, 2007 at 8:13 pmsorry about the repeat posts, was getting no data pages.
My bad =(
January 5th, 2007 at 8:17 pmIt is amazing actually that more Americans don’t realize how bad these horrible programs are costing us.
I have done nothing but pay into SS and have not drawn a dime out of it, I am full vested (required work quarters)
But as you see from another poster the war is costing more.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:19 pmYeah, and Mr. Falafel of phone sex knows all about “values.”
January 5th, 2007 at 8:54 pmO Reilly’s a joke, and yesterday’s joke, let him die in peace. He’s irrelevant.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:13 pmSince San Francisco values are the most advanced and intellegent values in the world, you have nothing to worry about.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:16 pmHalbert, go to bed………..
January 5th, 2007 at 9:50 pmGo to bed Hal.
January 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am#8
Don’t forget one of the higest costs of living in the county. No middle class there….just rich people.
January 6th, 2007 at 10:15 am#30
“Insults are a matter of perception. If you call me a liberal, I am not insulted.”
I agree so why did TP post this interview insinuating the being liberal is some kind of insult?…although many liberals are apparently, which is why thay had to come up with the term “progressive”. Gotta love those euphemisms!
January 6th, 2007 at 10:21 amNICO
January 6th, 2007 at 11:18 amDoesn’t TP have a rule about multiple posts repeated on all threads, effectively taking up space and derailing the regular comments?
Take a look at the recent comments by hal homert, please.
Do these Faux Non News malignant human cysts
February 17th, 2007 at 7:29 pmever do anything, besides suck Fascist cock? Mel
Gibson should do a remake of “The Passion” with
Bill in the staring role. “The Passion of the O’LieLee”