White House visitor records closed to the public.
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White House visitor records closed to the public.
“The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring that records identifying visitors to the White House are not open to the public.” The agreement came one day after Judicial Watch “asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.”
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I have a feeling the Jeff Gannon debacle had something to do with this, too.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmThe agreement came one day after Judicial Watch “asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.â€
It's easy to do whatever you want when you make the laws.
Folks, our henhouse is infested with foxes. Better fetch your shootin-irons.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmUmmm, aren't the Secret Service paid for by The Public...
And the White House?
So why shouldn't the employers see what their employees have been upto?
If I ran a company I would want to be able to see any records of who visited...
Z.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmNumer ONe,
You beat me to it. I felt the Jeff Gannon thing was conveniently covered up here too.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIf I didn't know better, I'd think there might be some sort of a cover-up going on there. Hmmm...
Na-a-a-a-a-ah.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmfinally! now the gay male prostitutes no longer have to fear for their reputations!
but really can't the FOIA get around this idiocy??
January 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmLet's throw this one on top of the mile-high stack of reasons to impeach.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDon't you people get it?? They HAVE to prevent the public from being able to see the visitor records because it ... er... might ...help terrorists?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pmSo the residence of the person elected by the people of a free society has decided those same people shouldn't know who enters.
Do you see this all you trolls? This is who you are defending.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pmCan we just call the Whitehouse "The Kremlin" from now on?
-GSD
January 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmCBS poll on approval ratings for the president. 30% for 63% against.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThis is not funny in the slightest. Not even a little tiny bit.
It should be clear by now who we are dealing with in BushCo.
Criminals. What are we going to do about it?
This sealing of the visitor log can be challenged by congress....it's not really a secret service list....it's the white house visitor list and can be gotten through legal challenge.
It has been done before.
This is no longer make fun of chimpy time...things are very serious. These thugs need to be ousted from power and soon.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI can't stand it...
Investigate
January 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIndict
Impeach
Imprison!
BlueArkansas Rocks :-)
January 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pm#13
January 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI was thinking something similar to s. Which is why i mentioned FOIA. i think that would be a legal recourse to pursue. But the more i htink of it couldnt a simple police search warrent cover this?
F*ck the people, it's my house now.
-The Dictating Decider
January 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pmAs this administration implements Big Brother decrees for us - tap our phones/open our mail/read our internet postings...they make sure their own accountability recedes from our grasp. But this is what a dictator does. As the Decider told us back in 2000...."my life would be easier if I were dictator"...anyone dispute that is what he is?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pmHow do you spell:
January 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmC-O-V-E-R-U-P?
#13 s
This is not funny in the slightest. Not even a little tiny bit.
It should be clear by now who we are dealing with in BushCo.
Criminals. What are we going to do about it?
...
This is no longer make fun of chimpy time…things are very serious. These thugs need to be ousted from power and soon.
Some very capable people are on top of this, CREW and Judicial Watch. Since I'm not in a position to do anything more than comment on it, and since there's only so much serious commentary to be made that doesn't overstate the obvious, I don't see the harm in screwing around with it. Sarcasm and satire are no less effective in drawing attention to the problem than hand-wringing and complaining.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI see Hal's back with his ADD problem.
Hal, any final words of wisdom on this? Or is your reading comprehension skills as bad as your writing skills?
January 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pm#16 hil
I was thinking something similar to s. Which is why i mentioned FOIA. i think that would be a legal recourse to pursue. But the more i htink of it couldnt a simple police search warrent cover this?
They thwarted FOIA already. That was the whole point of the secret agreement to transfer ownership of the records away from the Secret Service.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI just got a letter from a Marine in Iraq whom I’d adopted for Christmas (some of you may recall that from last month, since the post got linked on Buzzflash). I’ve just put it up at my place and you’ll understand why I cannot possibly answer this sweet kid’s heartbreaking letter.
January 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhy do the trolls always avoid these types of issues? Would love to hear how they would spin on their pointy heads to explain it all away.
Seems to be a pattern here, too!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmExcuse us, Mr. President, but that big White House that you've been occupying for the past six years belongs to US, not you. And if we want to know who's been visiting it, we have EVERY right to know. Ya hump.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:10 pmFrom The Hill:
"Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has created a new subcommittee that will tackle decisions made by the Bush administration regarding which government records should be made available to the public."
January 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pm#23 - jurrasicpork
That is unbelievably heartbreaking.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:19 pm#23 - Jurassicpork - I don't know what to say. It's just so sad to see these idealistic young soldiers lose their lives, or physical wholeness, or emotional/mental wholeness because of this completely unnecessary and immoral "war." HIs upbeatness could be either because he's in a relatively safer area, or he's trying to make you feel better, or perhaps their snail mail is censured...who knows?
January 5th, 2007 at 6:22 pmPeople who don't have something to hide wouldn't be trying to hide it. Simple as that.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:24 pmjust informed of this by rachel maddow…
all military and investigation offices are headed by
MILITARY - NOT CIVILIAN
can you say JUNTA ?
January 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pmLooking more and more like Watergate (the original) every day. Cover ups, lies, stonewalling - it's all there - and now the Dems control Congress. Don't be shy, folks - ITHMFA!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#31
Meds, halbert. Time to go take your meds.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#22
January 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmOIC
thanks!
The House of Representatives and the Senate will quietly sign an agreement early this winter opening up the White House to the public and closing the door to King George the Dumb's new home in Leavenworth. Time is drawing near! It will be a memorable time in the History of this Country. The Articles of Impeachment will be displayed alongside the Declaration of Independence, The Emancipation Proclamation, and the original script of Free Willy."
January 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmMaybe Harriet Miers left because she sensed an imminent "problem" with the visitor logs.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pmDUMB AS AN INSECT
January 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#29,exactly. The arguement that the repukes and this administration has used for thier domestic spying is just that....If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. Of course if I had homosexual meth addict priests coming over after the time im supposed to be in bed id hide the logs as well.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmSlimeball, scumbag, crooks.
I sense a march on Washington this SUMMER, THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:50 pmThis looks like a job for Henry Waxman. The people don't get to know who went into the peoples' house???!! Get on it, Henry! Kick some ass.
January 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pmThe press and republicans had such great fun with Clinton's visitor's list. It would be too bad if the Democrats couldn't have the same fun. Doesn't seem fair.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:00 pmjurrasicpork - trying to post this at your blog... not sure it's gonna make it... will put it here in case...
not sure how much help i can be... always opiniated though... so here goes...
my first thought was, "his poor mom... 2 sons in this hell hole"... ...that poor mom...
i ran into a neighbor kid the other day... posted a condensed version of that encounter on TP here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/01/stay-the-course-2/#comment-1369099
i think the most important thing for YOU to do is be as honest as possible about your anti-war stance...
last winter i was writing to another local kid, and the news and political stories were such that i ended up telling him that because of my feelings and my stance against this criminal administration, i was finding it impossible to keep thinking of positive messages for him and since he needed to keep a positive attitude it would be best if i just didn't write any more... we exchanged a few more neutral tidbits before he came home...
he did tell me that he understood and appreciated my honesty...
good luck with this one... more power to you!
January 5th, 2007 at 7:19 pm...
The agreement came one day after Judicial Watch “asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.â€
**********************************
C'mon...that's waaaaaaaaaaay too close to have possibly happened merely by coincidence. The whole thing reeks of a cover-up.
January 5th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI second Wayne at #25; the White House is ours! He is the temporary occupant. We own it. We employ him. Every week brings another story of what he has either redacted, closed off, re-written, destroyed or otherwise denied to the AMerican public.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI am up to my eyeballs with the boy-king and his abuse of powers.
#45 - halbert holmert,
January 5th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThat really does not bear repating!
halbert holmert sez:
What 'revolving door, halbert? The 'revolving door' that is the Freedom of Information Act?
Please put down the bong, halbert...you're getting steadily more incoherent.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:24 pmWhat's your idiotic point, hal holmert?
January 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmI seriously doubt that any TP posters work for Abramoff or Cunningham, that would be urr uhh, lemme guess, Lobbyists?
January 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmFunny as soon as congress reconvenes the Halberts are out in force, and oh wait Exley is also back. What a bunch of lame aides the repubs have hired.
Hey Halbert, guess you also forgot that the Amnesty plan was one of urine?
Talk about selective memory.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:35 pm#49 - Zep Tepi,
January 5th, 2007 at 8:39 pmhalbert holmert is speaking of the trolls who infest TP with inane ideas. His mother could give a gift to humanity if she holds his under water when he dives for his rubber ducky.
In 51, 'his' s/b 'his head'.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:41 pmAre either of these two entities private? If not then all materials they touch while employeed by the government of the people of the United States of America belongs to US...the public.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pmIT WILL BE MY HISTORICAL PLEASURE TO VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2008 AS I HAVE DONE ALL OF MY LIFE IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO CANCEL SOMEONE ELSES VOTE OUT HERE ON TP
Comment by halbert holmert
Dont forget what Rush says... democrats vote at least three times each....
January 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pm#53 - halbert holmert,
January 5th, 2007 at 8:51 pmThose cardboard boxes that are set up in pre-nursery are only for show.
The whole thing reeks of a cover-up.
Comment by Bluestocking
Wouldnt you cover it up if a gay male prostitute had visited the white house many times? I really believe the 911 towers were demolitioned, but even I am too afraid to ask the hard questions about what Jeff Ganon was doing there... its just too...frightening.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:52 pmBrilliant horny helmut, I'm hoping one of those RINO's run who pledge to erase anything that Bush had ever done is the repubs selection. It will be a win win for us.
I here Hagel is now considering running.
January 5th, 2007 at 8:55 pmGetting back on-topic, I still wonder what the White House has to hide. Are serious criminal acts going on in there? Is this as serious as the partitioning of Iraqi oil that occured in the Cheney meetings of early 2001?
January 5th, 2007 at 8:56 pmWaltTheMan, I'd like to here the logical explanation from them.
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Halbert
It is OUR business.
Don't forget that mofo
January 5th, 2007 at 9:07 pmI don't even want to argue with republicans anymore. I have just come to the conclusion that they want to be controlled. They crave it. They will believe anything they are told to believe almost without fail. The truth isn't the truth unless it's a lie they are told to believe is the truth and the truth is ridiculed as a lie by those who they are told are unpatriotic and hate America. Therefore, in my opinion that makes you stupid and lost. You allow and pride yourselves on your stupidity. You perpetuate it every chance you get whether it be here or when you vote or whatever. You are so lost you don't even realize how stupid and dumbed down you've become. You don't even have the common sense to demand more of your elected officials who are sworn to serve you first and foremost. All you seem to want is for some self-serving republican politician to hold your leash you so blithely hand them. On top of being stupid, it's pathetic.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:09 pmSocial Security for illegal aliens
Bush administration reaches agreement with Mexico
Hey Halbert, did you read this at worldnutdaily yet?
Bwaaaaaaaahahahah!
January 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pmfrom the helmetted one:
Executive Priveledge NOT. It's not even his house. We just let him stay there. It is the people's house.
National Security NOT. His security just like Cheney's and his secret energy policy meetings but not National Securtiy.
And it is my damn business you petrified pile of republogung.
I'm sure in your mind you are winning something and quite honestly your a hoot. But as far as an actual proponent of this administration your not helping there cause, your solidifying our resolve.
Now run back to your momma. You might not recognize her though because I shaved her back.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:16 pm#62 - What the f*ck is that? And why?
January 5th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMr. Evil
They want to control. THey are control-freaks. Reality matters little to them. Control is everything, ideology, domination, power, external-constraint, vengeful God. It's all part of a syndrome. The control freak who is an insecure unloved child at heart.
As someone said recently - I can't remember who or which character on TV or in the movies, it's all a blur now - but someone said aptly that the problem is all these unloved vengeful children out there in America - there's not enough love in America. Too much hatred. Churches full of hatred, preaching superiority - ala we're going up to heaven in the rapture and the rest of you will perish in hell fire --
Too much hatred in the media, churches, neighborhood, boy scouts
Too much hatred of self in the individual
Porn - well just ask Hugh Hefner. He's made millions off the tits and asses of women for years, what kind of love is that?
Where's the love in America? It's no wonder we're deep in warfare and violence. We have lost our way.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:19 pmHey Halbert, I am waiting for your answer. heh.
2004 Halbert, R E P U B L I C A N S.
I think #62 tried to use Japanese or Chinese fonts Zooey.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:20 pm#67 - Zooey,
January 5th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI think it is a mamogram and YO has two breasts that will go to the hazardous medical waste dump.
I think #62 tried to use Japanese or Chinese fonts Zooey.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Thanks, sorry I'm so rude today.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:24 pmEXECUTIVE PRIVELEDGE
NATIONAL SECURITY
NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS
IN THAT ORDER
NEXT !
See Halbert, thats why you didn't know about the Social Security for Illegals,
Executive Priveledge
January 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pmNational Security
None of your dman business
In your prefferred order.
Next!
Hey Halbert
The people in Mexico are fighting for their democracy, freedom, and fair days pay for fair days work, no thanks to you and your fascist paymasters. I dare you to even go to the link below, much less read it. You might learn something and that would be dangerous for you. The first people you'll go after are the educated. I know your kind.
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/9760/1/266/
January 5th, 2007 at 9:27 pmIt's the visitor's log of the White House with Jeff Gannon's name redacted for each time he 'visited'.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:27 pmThanks, sorry I’m so rude today.
Comment by Zooey
Not to worry Zoo. =)
I get ruded at all the time.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pm#70 Walt
My sister has breast cancer, so I would strongly suggest that you choose a different way to make a joke, and not make it on the backs of women and breasts.
Try making it on the backs of men who have prostrate cancer.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:30 pm#62 - What the f*ck is that? And why?
Comment by Zooey — January 5, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
YOU rude? ... heh...
but if you back away and squint your eyes you can see a... some...
i really don't know... but it's kinda neat...
a more interesting waste of space than the hal-troll...
January 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmhapless halbert
maybe you're lost
January 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pmharry handed helmut, no you don't. That would require you to actually know something.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pmActually you have been debunked on your illegal alien rant by a Republican web site (worldnutdaily) that links to a "liberal" http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070104-120950-4277r.htm
paper.
See how you just got hosed Halbert, But please feel free to Blog about it =)
January 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pma more interesting waste of space than the hal-troll…
Comment by katy
That's true.
I wouldn't ordinarily apologize for being rude, but I havne't commented much today, and it seems like I've been quite rude in almost all of them. A concentration of rudeness, if you will. :)
January 5th, 2007 at 9:37 pmI KNOW OF MANY BLOGS THAT OUTDO THIS ONE ON A DAILY BASIS
Such as Wizbang, who gets constantly debunked, or Malkin who just got her butt handed to her by the AP? O
January 5th, 2007 at 9:38 pmSee Halbert, you got smacked down and I didn't even have to insult you.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:40 pmcourtesy is a two way street. If the first time out of the gate both barrells are blazing I see no reason to offer them anything but the same.
Take Exley for example. He has shown to want true discussion while goose stepping hal talks out of the side of his neck.
They both are responded to in kind.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pm#77 - ChildrenofLir,
January 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pmSame, my Mom. She survived that only to to be killed by Ford Motors - defective hood latch, about sliced her in half when the hood flew through the windshield.
i have noticed an absence of zooey-zingers...
January 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pmany reason in particular? ...when does school start?
have been off and on myself... nothing special though...
Zep,
I knew the extra-weirdo trolls came from somewhere. They started right after TP won that blog award.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:43 pmWalttheMan
January 5th, 2007 at 9:46 pmYou serious? If so, my sympathy.
Zep, I knew the extra-weirdo trolls came from somewhere. They started right after TP won that blog award.
Comment by Zooey
Halbert started out okay enough, but he's been downhill ever since. Reminds me of the days of I RIGHT I =)
January 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmMy Condolences Walt.
January 5th, 2007 at 9:51 pmi have noticed an absence of zooey-zingers…
any reason in particular?
I've just been getting some things done around here, so I've been reading along, but not commenting much.
…when does school start?
have been off and on myself… nothing special though…
Comment by katy
School starts on the 10th, and my books started arriving today. So cool. Zoo Jr was teasing me, saying I was going to be like Hermione Granger and read all my books before school even starts. :)
January 5th, 2007 at 9:51 pmHalbert started out okay enough, but he’s been downhill ever since. Reminds me of the days of I RIGHT I =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Very much so, except IRI was smarter.
I had no idea you'd been around since the IRI days. Did you have a different name then?
January 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pm#89 - ChildrenofLir,
January 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pmI am serious. Check police blotters in Redlands, CA in October 1985. Since both of her sisters and her mother are alive or had survived up to 98 years, she would still be alive today..
chee-rist, walt... you can always take the prize when it comes to stories and anecdotes... that one is a topper...
January 5th, 2007 at 9:54 pmso sorry for you... i hope you were not a young boy at the time... not that it makes much difference... horrific...
Walt
January 5th, 2007 at 9:56 pmOh man, I'm sorry. Peace and love, all I can say.
#95 - katy,
January 5th, 2007 at 10:00 pmI was in my late 40's. Still tough - I was the eldist as Dad had a fatal stumble on a granite staircase in April of the same year.
I had no idea you’d been around since the IRI days. Did you have a different name then?
Comment by Zooey
Who me? =)
January 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmo my gawd, walt... see what i mean??? how awful...
January 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmagain, so sorry...
Who me? =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Yeah, you! You've probably had a dozen names.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:08 pmI really like #62.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmI got the hundy.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmhttp://www.blurty.com/talkpost.bml?journal=mr_ho&itemid=92261
I once did a rip off of animal farm, lol, called crazy farm by Mr Ho never seemed to catch on though, my one TRY at blogging
Mr Ho. =(
January 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmYeah, you! You’ve probably had a dozen names.
Comment by Zooey
naw, two or three.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWhere's Halibut Helmet?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:13 pmNo I didn't
January 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmHelmet Hal,
You win the prize for the most annoying and stupidest troll yet. Anytime I miss the condescension of the Moldy Coprolite that is saying a lot.
If Bush were to cut a babies fingers off on live tv, you would defend him.
Yes you would.
And why? Because you believe that slimy piece of dogshit when he says that God talks to him. And God is NEVER wrong. Except when she is, but then she works in mysterious ways.
Sorry fellow posters for the tangent.
On topic... Bush has so much to be secretive about. If he gets away with this tyrannical bullshit, USA has lost our claim to fame.
Impeach
Incarcerate
Castrate
Eviscerate
Cremate
and move on...
January 5th, 2007 at 10:15 pmCover up Jeff Gannon gay sex at the White House,
Cover up Jeff Gannon gay sex at the White House,
Cover up Jeff Gannon gay sex at the White House,
Cover up Jeff Gannon gay sex at the White House,
January 5th, 2007 at 10:17 pmCover up Jeff Gannon gay sex at the White House,naw, two or three.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Mr Ho
Dog Named Boo
Zep Tepi blah blah blah, etc.
Zep Tepi
Any others?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:18 pmWhere’s Halibut Helmet?
Comment by ForTruth
Hats of Fish
January 5th, 2007 at 10:19 pm#99 - katy,
January 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI've come to take it in stride. Tragety has followed my tribes entry and existance in America from day one. The twins who planted my paternal seed here died in a bar room brawl - it was their bar, only four years after their arrival. I have two cousins who would be about my age die from AIDS which arose from leukemia blood transfusions. An uncle, PamAm pilot, and his plane disappeared over the Pacific on December 6th, 1941.
Mr Ho
Dog Named Boo
Any others?
Comment by Zooey
You pretty much got it =)
January 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmSo how many names did Zooey have? =)
January 5th, 2007 at 10:24 pmYou pretty much got it =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Z names are good.
I've only been Zookeeper & Zooey. Well, I've had a couple part-time aliases for purposes of matchmaking or making a point.
Anyone else had as many names as Mr Boo Zep?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmWhen I first started here, I used a few names, I honestly don't remember anything about it.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:30 pmWalttheMan....
Adversity has made you strong. Your posts are usually focused and clear.
Thanks for your contributions. I read often, post seldom.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:30 pmAnyone else had as many names as Mr Boo Zep?
Comment by Zooey
When I first started here, I used a few names, I honestly don’t remember anything about it.
Comment by ForTruth
Me either =)!
January 5th, 2007 at 10:33 pmIT WILL BE AN AD AND MEDIA BLITZ NEVER BEFORE SEEN BY
MANKIND FROM THE GOP
They spent alot of money just before the last election Halbert, and it was quite a blitz, I think Rove has lost his touch.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pmOnly two more years of this crap. Just two more years.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pm#116 - chingebush,
January 5th, 2007 at 10:38 pmThanks! I post often, but have been off for a while visiting my nation's future - my Grandkids.
Is Halby Homer a prophet? Ad and media blitz? and there hasn't been one already. You mean there will be a 2nd Fox? Please no. Not that, anything but that.
I guess thanks HH? Has your medication worn off?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:40 pmWHAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE YOU REALIZE IS WHAT IS COMING IN
THE NEXT 1 1/2 YEARS FROM THE GOP
I don't know about you Halbert, but the people are pretty tired of the endless smear campaigns and dirty tricks. Isn't it time to try something new?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:40 pmRemember Seixon?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:42 pm#126 - Zep Tepi,
January 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pmYes, unfortunately, I can't forget it.
What evaporated?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:49 pmHow about a truth campaign? Owning up to past mistakes? repenting?
January 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pmNo, I didn't think so.
Comment #125 should refer back to comment #124 unless prior comments enter the TP Cone of Silence.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:54 pmWhat evaporated?
I think it was mine. I mentioned btru and the Norwegian Hall Monitor in the same comment, and I think I got zapped.
Sorry, you stupid f*ck filter.
January 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmNow - Comment #126 should refer back to comment #125 unless prior comments leave the TP Cone of Silence. Agent 99 where are you?
January 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmbtru and the Norwegian Hall Monitor...
ah hahaha... but look, those names are still showing in 124,5...
i just asked about them also, and that comment didn't post...
so, what's the official word, if any, on btru... and was that r.neat?
January 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmi don't care about NHM...
katy129,
Thank you, I have been trying to post that thought for like 15 mins. It won't let me do it.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmoh man... stupid f*ck filter is right...
now you see it, now you don't, now you do - eh, don't...
time to say g'nite...
January 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmdon’t miss the sexion at all… obnoxious chump…
I always had a hunch that was KRover, but I could be wrong.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:08 pmseems it was the rneet that went poof.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmwelp Im gonna stop posting for a bit, yall take care, God Bless you all.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmyour welcome, for truth... not sure which thought, but one of them ought to stay long enough to get an answer... heh...
January 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pm#136 - Zep Tepi,
January 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pmDon't take chances - Allah Akbar. You know, W could be wrong.
Katy the first part of that 129 thought. Whatever with Seixon.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmLater on Zep Tepi
January 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pmZep Tepi sez:
I miss him terribly...quality trolls are thin on the ground lately.
Trouncing mouth-breathers like 20wordsorless and Greg Nevins just isn't the same...it's like a big-game hunter having to content himself with swatting flies.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmGoodnight, Zep. Try not to miss us too much. :-D
January 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmListen chick,
I live in my own home, and no, no one keeps track of my comings and goings.
But I don't live in a house owned by the people of the US, the people of the US do not pay my salary, and I'm not the one saying the people of the US are not safe in their beds because of the terrorists.
But if I did, yeah I'd have to be an open book, wouldn't I?
Like Wayne said above somewhere. That ain't GWB's house, that's MY house.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amsandwich chick (I do like the name) are you equated the elected leader to Brad Pitt? Famous? He is an elected official. Elected to be our President, that is the leader of the People. That doesn't give him the right to hide from us who comes to see him. There will always be secret meetings but don't hide all who go to see the President.
What kind of trust does that instill when the leader of the Free world thinks he has to hide this.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amChick fil A,
The govt already can listen to my calls, track my purchases, open my email, open my snail mail, don't give me crap about personal privacy.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:26 amWe pay their wages, we have a right to know as much as they think they have a right to invade our privacy. You're an idiot.
chick fil A,
the president has a private home in crawford, TX...no one is asking who visited there. Though I am sure that list would be even more appalling.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:33 amChick, I just want to be sure. You are defending this president and his obsession with secrecy? Yes or no.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:34 am#147 chick fil A
get famous once and see how valuable privacy can be . See what the fame and spotlight actually involves before you criticize those constantly in the public eye .
Omigod! It's like Britney Spears!
Please tell us you're not being serious.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:36 amI bet chick fil a would change her tune if it was a Dem wanting privacy, right chick?
You're still a bigger idiot, that's not THEIR house, it's ours. WE PAID FOR IT.. GET IT? It's also not just a residence, it's a building where PUBLIC policy is decided, we have a right as we have for 200+ years to know this, why does dubya need privacy? Cuz he's a friggen crook that's why.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:37 amRIGHT ? RIGHT ? RIGHT ? RIGHT ? RIGHT ? RIGHT ? RIGHT?
Comment by chick fil A
What are you, a f*cking King George groupie?
I'd like to see my mortgage holder try to monitor my home. He wouldn't dare. Why? Because I'll get someone else to buy that mortgage from him. Like erock says, GWB has a home in Crawford, and I wish he'd stay there for the next two years.
GWB is not a movie star. He is the president, and he works for me. I'm gonna know who comes and goes. Like I said if I lived in the White House I'd expect to be an open book.
Get the stars out of your eyes, and come back down to earth.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amHere's a hypothetical:
If the president has a lobbyist coming into the White House dozens of times making deals, getting him campaign funds in return for favors to the lobbyist's clients, and then the president tells everyone that he's never met the lobbyist before and has never had any business dealings with him, we have a right to know whether or not that's true. The White House is Bush's workplace. We are his employer. We have a right to know who he's seeing and what he's doing on company time, especially when we have evidence that his seeings and doings are unethical or illegal. Do you follow?
He works for us. He may live in the same building he works in, but that doesn't make it private property. That's OUR property.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:43 am#154 chick fil a
gibberish
Boy, sometimes you can slice the stupidity in here with a knife. Where do they come from? And who keeps letting them out?
January 6th, 2007 at 12:49 ami normally try to avoid this kind of thing but...chick fil a/A is an idiot.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:50 amI think #62 tried to use Japanese or Chinese fonts Zooey.
Halbert ....reminds me of the days of I RIGHT I =)
Comments by Zep Tepi —
I am familiar with what happens when Japanese or Chinese fonts are sent to computers not geared to receive those languages, and the result does not look anything like #62.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:54 amHalbert reminds me of I-WRONG-I, too.
#157
What a shock. Another make-believe character from dolt (Vinnie).
January 6th, 2007 at 12:55 amComment by chick fil a — January 6, 2007 @ 12:52 am
damn you're stupid
January 6th, 2007 at 12:55 amComment by chick fil a
F*ck, you are stupid. And crazy. Who let you out?
January 6th, 2007 at 12:56 am#158
i have seen your posts
I've seen yours, too, Vinnie. Nice touch with the "...". At least it looks a little different from your usual stuff.
you are a freak
I'm going to take that as a compliment.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:57 amChildrenofLir ,
January 6th, 2007 at 12:59 amI hope your sister's breast cancer has been caught in an early stage. My mother has survived it for nearly 40 years.
....that chick is nucking futs
January 6th, 2007 at 1:01 amWow, full on name calling. Cool.
I'm a total asshole, and I should f4ck off.
January 6th, 2007 at 1:03 amThat's f*cking mandolin.
The other day he made a point of saying he's just gotten back from eating some delicious chick fil a.
January 6th, 2007 at 1:21 amwhoever it is he's pathetic and makes me sad for humanity.
January 6th, 2007 at 1:23 am#153. chimpeach. how's it going? I like your hypothetical, I think your idea is good, but I started thinking. Would it limit the ability of the President to conduct confidential business? I can't think of a great example, but I would guess there are dealings (legitimate, not criminal or unethical) that a President (R or D) would have that could only be accomplished with confidentiality. And free access to the logs would jeopardize the confidentiality.
January 6th, 2007 at 2:09 amaren't these records public property, since we, the people, foot the bill?
January 6th, 2007 at 7:57 am[...] “The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring that records identifying visitors to the White House are not open to the public.†Sounds like a gov’t of, by, and for the people to me. NOT. ⇒ Tags: bush administration , scandal , secrecy [...]
January 6th, 2007 at 9:24 amThere's no reason the logs cannot be made public.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe conversations with the principles can certainly be held in confidence, but how would the mere presence of an individual be a private thing?
Just Imagine if the Clinton White House had done this, along with all the other secretive crap these hypocrites have pulled off, the freepers would've gone crazy and the right wing hate machine would've been churning out endless garbage. Bush and Cheney are lying scumbags and this is the beginning of the Executive Privilege fight that will go fro the next two years. They are going to fight every effort to expose their sleeze and crime.
January 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI agree with Vic's comment. But, I just have to wonder if or when Judicial Watch will start using the current administration's various outrageous actions in their mailouts. Any time that I see a JW mailing, I see Hillary and Bill Clinton mentioned quite prominently, even after 5 years of Bill not being the President.
January 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI've been to JW's website and THERE the group seems truly impartial, even highlighting their activities against many Bush/Cheney actions over the years (starting, I believe, with Cheney's Energy Policy meetings), but it seems rather clear that they seek donations only from "conservatives" who still fume over the fact that there was a Democrat in the White House (with a wife not satisfied to simply be a housewife with a title) for 8 years.
#171 paul
I like your hypothetical, I think your idea is good, but I started thinking. Would it limit the ability of the President to conduct confidential business? I can’t think of a great example, but I would guess there are dealings (legitimate, not criminal or unethical) that a President (R or D) would have that could only be accomplished with confidentiality. And free access to the logs would jeopardize the confidentiality.
Sorry for the delay. I was offline for a while. In the situation you describe, I think it's unlikely that there might be a personal visit from anyone to the White House that had to be kept secret for purposes of national security. Anyone whose identity needs to be kept secret from the entire country would have a difficult time being snuck into and out of the White House without anyone being able to see them.
I can imagine a scenario where someone is flown in, taken off the plane inside a closed hangar, gotten into a limo with darkened windows, and then exits the limo and enters the White House with a black shroud over his or her head. But, if it's that big a secret, all of the White House staff needs to be dismissed and off the premises and nobody without adequate security clearance could remain. And then, why go to all that trouble when the president or his representative could probably meet the mystery person somewhere at a neutral site, perhaps a small island far away from the mainland.
Finally, how many such meetings might take place that couldn't be dealt with in the records by a simple redaction or two? I have to come to the conclusion that the only reason for the hiding of these records is to avoid prosecution. Clinton could have used the same excuse to withhold records and he didn't. This is Bush and Cheney saying, "Yeah, we broke the law, but we're not going to let you see the evidence."
January 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pm