Stephanopoulos: Pelosi May Create Special Global Warming Committee
Stephanopoulos: Pelosi May Create Special Global Warming Committee
This morning on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos reported that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “is considering setting up a special committee in the House to deal with climate change and global warming.”
Also on ABC, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) called climate change “the most serious environmental problem” we face, and said “we’ve got to get action on it” and “not wait until everybody around the world is going to do it.”
Watch it:
Last year, Waxman introduced the Safe Climate Act, which aims to freeze greenhouse gas emissions by 2010 and cut emissions to their 1990 levels by 2020. The bill would create “a flexible economy-wide cap-and-trade program for greenhouse gas emissions, along with measures to advance technology and reduce emissions through renewable energy, energy efficiency, and cleaner cars.”
Full transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Congressman Waxman, you helped write the Clean Air Act back in 1990 and I think the warm weather this weekend has reminded us all of that global warming, as if we needed another reminder. I’ve been told Speaker Pelosi is considering setting up a special committee in the House to deal with climate change and global warming. Do you think that’s a good idea and what should it do?
WAXMAN: I haven’t heard what she’s thinking along those lines, but I introduced the first global warming bill in the House 18 years ago. I have a bill now pending that has the most co-sponsors in it. What we’ve got to do is hold hearings and that’s what our committee plans to do. This is a serious — this is the most serious environmental problem that we’re facing. We’ve got to get action on it. We may not since this administration won’t even acknowledge the fact of global warming, but we’ve got to set out the way that we can reduce those carbon emissions in this country, not wait until everybody around the world is going to do it, but be the leader and get other countries to work with us as we chart a course of reducing emissions, carbon emissions from motor vehicles and other sources.
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January 7th, 2007 at 10:22 amEnergy efficiency! That’s madness!
The only people who suffer from energy efficiency are energy companies, mostly big oil. I’m just amazed how easily they were able to fool so many people about Global Warming.
January 7th, 2007 at 10:33 amIm a very liberal person, and i have a small efficient car and all the light bulbs in my house are flourescent , bla bla bla.
Im also interested in voting for people who want to protect the environment. O like Liberal Democrats like Pelosi and waxman for many reasons.
But please lets face facts…. we’ll never stop global warming.
world business demands growth. GROWTH. the best we can hope for is to slow the carbon emissions by 20% worldwide. How can you expect seriously alter or slow down the global economy when people wont even accept a tax on carbon emissions or pass laws to mandate higher MPG cars. C’mon !
So the oil runs out by 2050 instead of 2040.
The icecaps WILL melt.
We should be working on the answer to global warming, not trying to stop the inevitable.
January 7th, 2007 at 10:40 amIn light of the previous post, “U.S. redies new nukes”, I’d say that global warming is not as much of a threat as global frying.
January 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amBut please lets face facts…. we’ll never stop global warming.
Comment by goeduck
When people realize that they cant eat or drink a million dollars, they will do something about it. I would like politicians explain starving people economic GROWTH. Heh.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:01 amStewardship of this planet speaks of a moral character once attributable to this country; the Bush administration has reversed even this, making our flagrant and capricious disregard for any future generation patently obvious. It’s little wonder we are looking upon with disdain by all of the rest of the world. It IS time to get this country back on track in all respects and particuarly with regard to the environment – put back some “teeth” in our pollution rules where corporate american has been able to run roughshod over them. Let’s do something NOW about global warming or there will be no future generations on this planet to be concerned about.
What’s happened calculatedly by this administration over the past six years is criminal and reprehensible with regard to the trashing of our environment. Kudos to Pelosi et al for doing something about it and immediately.
Along the same lines but off topic a bit: I just found an old edition of Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.’s 1973 book entitled – THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY which speaks of war power specifically to wit (and this is in the forward, folks!): “It is as much a matter of congressional abdication as of presidential usurpation. ” Of course Schlesinger is speaking of the abuse of power which led to Nixon’s resignation. One can pick up this volume and see just how much farther this poison against our constitution has gone with this administration. It’s upped presidential abuse of power to yet another level which makes what Nixon’s wrongdoing seem paltry when compared to how far we’ve descended since then. Wow!
This is an eyeopener and I highly recommend re-reading this text to put today’s system of “unchecked and dictatorial power” into proper perspective.
If the abuse of power up to 1973 was considered to be heinous, I can only imagine what this author would believe about what’s transpired in this country between now and then.
Clearly, we’ve lost our way in this country and I’m hopeful that the new Congress can “right this sinking ship” versus “shuffling chairs on the Titanic”?? Time will tell.
As for the above thought that the usurpation of presidential power is accomplished by congressional abdication, I urge you to consider that abdication of power when voting for a candidate in ‘08. Yes, Dems and Repubs alike abdicated the power entrusted to them by the american people and we need to begin holding them accountable for their vote. This includes John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and even Joe Biden…..not to mention the obvious “war mongers” like Joe Lieberman and John (flipper) McCain!
These ‘congressional abdicators/enablers’ need to be admonished for their wrongdoing and complicity in the problems we now are facing. If we are to hold this administration totally “accountable” for their actions finally, we absolutely MUST hold these war mongers and congressional abdicators responsible too! They deserve a “no” when it comes to what may be our only voice left in this country – “our vote” in ‘08.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:04 amThese ‘congressional abdicators/enablers’ need to be admonished for their wrongdoing and complicity in the problems we now are facing. If we are to hold this administration totally “accountable†for their actions finally, we absolutely MUST hold these war mongers and congressional abdicators responsible too! They deserve a “no†when it comes to what may be our only voice left in this country – “our vote†in ‘08.
Good post , great research! Thanks!!
January 7th, 2007 at 11:09 amP.S. I neglected to list the “peace keepers” among the list who do deserve our vote and our appreciation for listening to the tempo of the american people and voting “against” giving Bushco the war power and they are:
January 7th, 2007 at 11:10 amBARAK OBAMA, WESLEY CLARK, AND RUSS FEINGOLD (OF COURSE A DREAM TICKET WOULD INCLUDE ANY OF THE “GOOD GUYS” ALONG WITH AL GORE (WISH HE’D CONSIDER RUNNING BECAUSE HE’D SWEEP UP (JUST LIKE HE DID LAST TIME BUT GOT ROBBED!).
Comment by GodfryDaniel You caught that one too. Why do Republicans say they’re for security, yet move towards inialation?
January 7th, 2007 at 11:20 amJTitor asks “Why do Republicans say they’re for security, yet move towards inialation?”
It’s because republicans are nature’s way of controling the human population.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:27 ampeople definitley got the message here in nyc…people are wearing shorts & tanktops in january!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 11:27 am#3: We should be working on the answer to global warming, not trying to stop the inevitable.
While it’s true that some warming is inevitable, whether we continue at the pace we’re going now or make some serious effort to slow it down will have a huge impact on the future of the planet. There’s a big difference, for example, between the gradual melting of the Greenland ice sheet and the sudden melting of it. And this will directly affect how successful we are at adapting to global warming. Also, there’s a major difference between, say, a 2-degree increase and a 10-degree increase.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:28 amI think a good topic for discussion over the coming year is precisely that: “Congressional abdication” or “How The Hell We Got Into This Mess In The First Place” and send thank you notes to all those in Congress who so willingly allowed the checks & balances our founding fathers purposely installed in the Constitution to be compromised. I think discussion should ensue about how these individuals (Dem & Rethug) could have gotten it “so absolutely wrong” when the majority of americans at that time, as well as the international community could absolutely see the folly in it all? Is the majority of the american public that much better informed than those we elect to public office?
Is the majority of the american public so much more enlightened than those whom we’ve entrusted our power?
If the majoity of the american public (and the rest of the world) who asked that we cooperate with the inspectors whom Saddam was clearly cooperating with the time necessary to come to a conclusion about the singular reason for invading a country and destroying it? WMD? Oh, yes, the illusive and non-existent WMD’s! For this mistake, we will suffer greatly.
For this mistake in appropriation of excess power via the congress, we find ourselves in this horrendous debacle in Iraq. For this mistake, we need to vote “absolutely NO” on John (flipper) McCain, Joe Lieberman, and yes……the dems as well: hillary clinton, joe biden, and john edwards.
The fact that these people have now “learned their lesson” and have been shown to be negligent in their duties vis-a-vis the american people and their trust in them makes them totally and unequivocally “equally responsible under the law” and not deserving of the Presidency in 08.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe “spring” has arrived in the Northeast – anyone still questioning Global Warming? If so, you must have a room temperature IQ! Wonder how the media whores and the Bush con-artists can spin the obvious and palpable?
Impeachment is the only answer to ending this mess we’re in – and we’re in it on all fronts.
Hobbes said: When man builds on shaky ground, the greater he builds, the greater is his destruction.
I think life today (after 6 years of Bush) is a prime example of what Hobbes meant.
All that is built on untruth (lies, corruption, and illegally) will crumble and cannot remain standing. Thus, the fall of the House of Bush!
When his numbers reach 28(now at 30) he will be impeached.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:37 amGood.
Next project – Impeachment.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amI’m just amazed how easily they were able to fool so many people about Global Warming.
Comment by C.S.Strowbridge — January 7, 2007 @ 10:33 am
You were able to be fooled about god, the Republican Party, and thinking that your wife has orgasms (well with you anyway)… so why do you possibly think for one second that you’re right about this? (Hint: you’re not. Global Warming is a FACT).
January 7th, 2007 at 11:43 amHave any of you decreased your energy use from last year?
No.
Now imagine, try(it will break your mind) to imagine 25% less electricity and gasoline.
Also, buying 24% less food, because trucks bring food to your grocery stores.
Also buying 25% less clothes, less x-mas presents, even 25% less medicine.
Now imagine poor people cutting back 25%. they cant. And 75% of the world or more probably, is so poor they dont have 25% to cut back on….
So the oil lasts 40 years instead of 30….
All the oil will be used up by 2050 no matter what.
the earth’s temp will rise 10 degrees, NOT just 2 …..
we will never stop it.
too late.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:49 amunbelievable. I’m not convinced about human impact and the seriousness of global warming but the wife orgasm comment was very harsh and very funny. Ouch. I am curious about this global warming topic. I understand why many are upset that Bush didn’t go along with the Kyoto treaty. What I don’t understand is: If those concerned with global warming are concerned enough about the planet, why wouldn’t they lean on the international community to do away with the exemptions for emissions for countries like China and India. It seems that regardless of fairness, it is predicted that these countries will be responsible for the lionshare of the emissions in the future. Why aren’t environmentalist alarmed and focused on their emissions and willing to give them a pass, when they selectively focus their dismay about U.S emissions?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmHave any of you decreased your energy use from last year?
Yes
No.
When you ask a question, you’re not supposed to answer it. That’s the point of asking – you don’t know the response.
Now imagine, try(it will break your mind) to imagine 25% less electricity and gasoline.
Thinner Americans? Cleaner air? Sounds good…
Also, buying 24% less food, because trucks bring food to your grocery stores.
(See response from above)
Also buying 25% less clothes, less x-mas presents, even 25% less medicine.
You’ll need less of those things if you have thinner people. We’re the most obese Industrialized Nation in the world.
Now imagine poor people cutting back 25%. they cant. And 75% of the world or more probably, is so poor they dont have 25% to cut back on….
Poor people have already cut back. It’s a requisite of being poor.
So the oil lasts 40 years instead of 30….
All the oil will be used up by 2050 no matter what.
No matter what? That’s a big arrogant don’t you think?
the earth’s temp will rise 10 degrees, NOT just 2 …..
we will never stop it.
too late.
Comment by goeduck — January 7, 2007 @ 11:49 am
It’s not too late. Watch An Inconvenient Truth.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pmunbelievable. I’m not convinced about human impact and the seriousness of global warming
Why not? Every valid Scientist whose studied the topic is convinced.
It’s really not that difficult to look at Mars, look at Venus and understand what happens when there is more CO2 in the atmosphere. And it’s not hard to conclude that we’re putting it there when you calculate the exhaust of 2 billion cars (educated guess), industrial pollution, exhaust from thousands of cities…
but the wife orgasm comment was very harsh and very funny. Ouch.
The dichotomy of life… :D
I am curious about this global warming topic. I understand why many are upset that Bush didn’t go along with the Kyoto treaty. What I don’t understand is: If those concerned with global warming are concerned enough about the planet, why wouldn’t they lean on the international community to do away with the exemptions for emissions for countries like China and India.
Big Oil has more money to fight against this. They don’t want it – and they own our politicians.
It seems that regardless of fairness, it is predicted that these countries will be responsible for the lionshare of the emissions in the future. Why aren’t environmentalist alarmed and focused on their emissions and willing to give them a pass, when they selectively focus their dismay about U.S emissions?
Comment by paul — January 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
The US is the biggest contributor to these toxic emissions.
And, we’re the leaders of the world. We’re expected to start the trend and be the role model – even if it’s not fair.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmbut the wife orgasm comment was very harsh and very funny. Ouch.
Comment by paul — January 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
really? you thought so? if that were you, you’d be laughing?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmi thought it was an unjustified, totally unrelated low blow…
the guy was being sarcastic in his first sentence… realistic in the second…
w o w…
i thought it was an unjustified, totally unrelated low blow…
the guy was being sarcastic in his first sentence… realistic in the second…
w o w…
Comment by katy — January 7, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
When the hell are you going to get over me? Really? You can’t go one week without running your fat mouth, can you? Has it even been that long? Are you this desperate for attention? Because that is the message you keep sending.
You think you have some right to patronize me and demand I behave as you wish, then harrass and criticize me when I don’t – when you hypocritically can’t even give the thing you expect from me. So why don’t you worry about yourself and leave me the hell alone already!
Freak.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmgoeduck
I’ve gone over to using swirl lightbulbs. Cuts my energy consumption by a surprising margin – provides the same level of light, and they last longer.
Also, I don’t drive, prefering to walk, and when that isn’t an option, get a lift from someone else. Failing that, I use public transport which is nowhere near as safe and convenient in South Africa, as it is in the first world.
As I live in a block of flats, I don’t use solar panels but they are another easy option for reducing emissions.
So, for me, it is pretty easy to cut emissions, and you know what? I haven’t even cut down on how many good quality gifts I can give.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pm…but the wife orgasm comment was very harsh and very funny. Ouch.
Comment by paul
I thought that comment was totally out of line, and unnecessary.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmIf we at least start trying to curb global warming it might lead to more ideas and start an industry unto itself. I can remember when conservatives said that recycling would never work because industry needs to expand, it would hurt business, and it would be unprofitable, and therefore we need to cut down more trees, blah, blah, blah…
Most neocons who are against trying to make a dent in global climate change will be dead before our planet becomes uninhabitable so they don’t care what happens. They don’t even care about their children.
The only way republicans will start taking global climate change seriously is if they can be convinced that the potential for kickbacks will be greater than what they’re getting now from the oil industry.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI thought that comment was totally out of line, and unnecessary.
Comment by Zooey — January 7, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Then skip my posts.
You have said far worse.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmNo unbelievable, I don’t think I will skip your posts. You see, I don’t like to be told what to do any more than you do. Thanks.
C.S.Strowbridge said:
Energy efficiency! That’s madness!
The only people who suffer from energy efficiency are energy companies, mostly big oil. I’m just amazed how easily they were able to fool so many people about Global Warming.
Comment by C.S.Strowbridge
unbelievable said:
You were able to be fooled about god, the Republican Party, and thinking that your wife has orgasms (well with you anyway)… so why do you possibly think for one second that you’re right about this? (Hint: you’re not. Global Warming is a FACT).
Comment by unbelievable
Your response to him was incredibly rude, condescending, and over the top in it’s aggressiveness.
C.S.Strowbridge, has not demonstrated himself to be a troll, merely one who disagrees.
Please point out where I have said worse things in a similar context.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmPelosi setting up a committee that focuses soley on remediation of global warming is an excellent idea.
Did you know that your eating habits contribute more to global warming than anything else you do – driving, flying, heating and cooling your house?
A United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation, entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.
Don’t believe me. Read it yourself at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece
We aren’t serious about dealing with global warming until we are willing to take a good, hard look at what we eat. Feel the resistance. Feel the discomfort when there’s a threat to your pattern of lifelong eating habits.
Great resources on climate change here:
http://www.nhne.org/tabid/490/Default.aspx
January 7th, 2007 at 1:26 pmBy demanding that business’ modernise their facilities, keep within code and focus on quality technology. This way productivity actually increases while pollution drops. A surprising degree of pollution is due to the fact that manufacturers cut corners on maintaining their factories, this can be easily solved and would in fact promote growth.
Further, new technology, or cleaner refinements on the old stuff, produces new industries, thus leading to that “Growth” word you keep on repeating.
Further, business can use less pollution intensive means of transporting their goods. I know I am looking at this from a third world perspective, but why not make greater and more instensive use of rail rather then trucks? And those trucks still on the road, can use Biodiesel, which is far more stable in its pricing and a cleaner fuel source besides.
There are countless ways to make industry cleaner, most of them about as easy as changing a lightbulb, all we need is more people in government willing to ignore the big oil lobbies. We need more people willing to pay attention to real people, and not these CEO phonies who head the big companies. We need the US in particular, to stop corporate welfare for the oil industry and start taking the enviroment seriously, and we need less defeatists trying to make it sound pointless calling for these changes.
It is time we as a world called the big multi-nationals on their BS, and started actually looking at our problems head on. Global warming isn’t such a hugely complex issue, its a very simple one, and one which we as a world can solve.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pmNo unbelievable, I don’t think I will skip your posts. You see, I don’t like to be told what to do any more than you do. Thanks.
It was a suggestion. Suit yourself.
Your response to him was incredibly rude, condescending, and over the top in it’s aggressiveness.
You’ve done the same many times yourself. But that is okay?
I think this is more about my other comment about overweight people in this country than the comment I made to CS.
C.S.Strowbridge, has not demonstrated himself to be a troll, merely one who disagrees.
So?
Please point out where I have said worse things in a similar context.
Comment by Zooey — January 7, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Google it.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:32 pmunbelievable,
I always suit myself. We are very much alike in that regard. I may at times be quite rude, but condescension and aggression are more rare, and not my style. I’m not saying it’s ok for either of us to do it. The level of your attack on CS Strowbridge was totally uncalled for and you know it. But you are simply unable to back down — ever — especially when you are wrong.
I think this is more about my other comment about overweight people in this country than the comment I made to CS.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Sorry.
Google it.
Comment by unbelievable
Ah, I see — you’ve got nothing.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmkaty
Zooey
unbelievable
On the one hand, I find condescending an overly abused buzzword which I have been accused of far too often to really support (particularly seen as at one point it was because I was being too polite, and lately because I wasn’t) …
On the other, the fact is that I think Stowbridge was kind of joking, and unbelievable’s statement was intended humorously…
Look can’t you lot just kiss and makeup?
And maybe post the photo?
January 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pmAnd maybe post the photo?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Incorrigible. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI may at times be quite rude, but condescension and aggression are more rare, and not my style
The comment was not said that way. And like you, I don’t like people scolding me based on assumptions that aren’t fair or correct. It was an off-the-cuff remark.
The level of your attack on CS Strowbridge was totally uncalled for and you know it. But you are simply unable to back down — ever — especially when you are wrong.
It was a flip comment – nothing more. We (yes, we) all joke with the trolls about the fact that they are compensating for small winkies. It wasn’t malicious. I’m not a malicious person. And jumping on me for assuming I am isn’t cool. I have never done it to you – even when I think you’ve crossed the line.
I rarely do anything without first thinking it through, therefore, I rarely do back down. But I have apologized before. To say otherwise is a misrepresentation.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Sorry.
You got upset about some Dennis Hastert fat jokes on that thread. I saw the comments. I made some comments along those lines here. Since you didn’t comment about my original post, which was first, but about a comment about my comment, logically, it makes more sense that something else bothered you more. Combined with the fact that you usually don’t make these sort of comments – it stood out.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI love your posts. In fact, you could stand to do more of it, if I had my way :). That shocks me that anyone would consider you condescending (I hate typing that word – it’s cumbersome for we hunt and peck typists… ), there’s nothing in your posts that would even slightly suggest that. But I suppose people see what they want to see…
Look can’t you lot just kiss and makeup?
I have no problems with Zoo. It’s like I tell my students – just because you have a tiff with someone doesn’t mean you stop liking them.
The other, well that’s too late. I’m just hoping to be ignored. Seems futile however…
And maybe post the photo?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — January 7, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
You bad boy… :D
Didn’t TP cut out that option anyway?
January 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pmReminds me of the Democrats in the congress.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThey start fighting amongst themselves while the Repugs take over. They just give the trolls in the MSM something irrelevant to change the subject to.
Wake up, guys. There’s bigger fish to fry.
My issue, unbelievable is that the orgasm remark was extremely personal. I will take you at your word that the comment was off the cuff, but wow. I would have had no issue whatsoever if you had said that to Exley or Hendler, simply because we all know what they’re about. That’s the difference.
You made a reference on another thread about TP being a top of the line blog — words to that effect. That’s true! CS Strowbridge, if this was his first time here, got a hell of a welcome to TP.
Now I understand your reference to the overweight people comment. Please understand that if I say something is out of line or uncalled for, it will be only on the issue at hand.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWake up, guys. There’s bigger fish to fry.
Comment by RealityCheck
I agree.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pmkaty and Zooey. I imagine, for the thin skinned, unbelievable’s comment might have been offensive. Some men may be threatened with the idea of their wife having an orgasm when they are not around. Although, I am married, that isn’t an issue for me. And Zooey, I love your posts, but while you are sharing your outrage, you might consider a couple of words you might remember (not my words): ‘turd polisher’. I don’t think of myself as thin skinned, and that comment, I also thought was humorous. Peace and love.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pmMy issue, unbelievable is that the orgasm remark was extremely personal. I will take you at your word that the comment was off the cuff, but wow. I would have had no issue whatsoever if you had said that to Exley or Hendler, simply because we all know what they’re about. That’s the difference.
But I didn’t see it that way. I don’t differentiate between Exley and those one time posters who say the same damaging things – because they are all cut from the same cloth.
And it’s just that I seem to keep getting policed by the same couple of people who want me to do it there way or be attacked. You usually stay out of it. Normally I don’t have problems with anyone else reading my comments with malice – just that little group of people I don’t like so they feel the need to vilify me. It’s gotten old.
I’m not going to change. I don’t want to change. The choice seems to be to either to take me at my word or be offended. But that little group of people who think they can harass me into changing is going to keep banging their heads against the same wall while expecting different results.
You made a reference on another thread about TP being a top of the line blog — words to that effect. That’s true! CS Strowbridge, if this was his first time here, got a hell of a welcome to TP.
Zoo, you know that’s not the first time someone came on, shot off a comment and it was reciprocated. It’s not fair to single me out. And that is what I took exception with.
Paul made his feelings known without treating me like a child.
Now I understand your reference to the overweight people comment. Please understand that if I say something is out of line or uncalled for, it will be only on the issue at hand.
Comment by Zooey — January 7, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Here’s my thing – you definitely have a right to think something is unacceptable – but I don’t think you have the right to slam me for it. I don’t do it to you. I thought that was part of the understanding we all had. Was I wrong?
January 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pmPeace and love.
Comment by paul — January 7, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Peace and love : )
Though, if you say ‘power to the people’, I WILL faint :)
January 7th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWe (yes, we) all joke with the trolls about the fact that they are compensating for small winkies.
I feel good now, you have never mentioned my “winkie”
BTW, Can I get a copy of the pictures?
January 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pmBut I didn’t see it that way. I don’t differentiate between Exley and those one time posters who say the same damaging things – because they are all cut from the same cloth.
I really don’t see how you can make such a generalization about people.
And it’s just that I seem to keep getting policed by the same couple of people who want me to do it there way or be attacked. You usually stay out of it. Normally I don’t have problems with anyone else reading my comments with malice – just that little group of people I don’t like so they feel the need to vilify me. It’s gotten old.
Again, we go back to just letting it go. Other people make off the cuff comments as well.
I’m not going to change. I don’t want to change. The choice seems to be to either to take me at my word or be offended. But that little group of people who think they can harass me into changing is going to keep banging their heads against the same wall while expecting different results.
There’s a lot of room between taking you at your word and being offended, and it’s hard to know for sure sometimes. I’m not asking you to change so much as asking for a little more sensitivity. Don’t take anything away — just add sensitivity.
Zoo, you know that’s not the first time someone came on, shot off a comment and it was reciprocated. It’s not fair to single me out. And that is what I took exception with.
Paul made his feelings known without treating me like a child.
No, it’s not the first time something like that happened. It doesn’t make it right. I’m not singling you out, I call people out on this kind of stuff all the time. I don’t think anyone here treats you like a child, or thinks of you as a child. You are very strong and assertive, but at times when someone is strong and assertive in return, you don’t respond well.
Here’s my thing – you definitely have a right to think something is unacceptable – but I don’t think you have the right to slam me for it. I don’t do it to you. I thought that was part of the understanding we all had. Was I wrong?
Comment by unbelievable
I don’t think I slammed you for your comment, I simply said it was out of line — one adult to another.
My understanding of why I am here is to learn, contribute ideas and opinion where possible, inject a little snark, and have fun. We’re a lot of people here, all different sorts of people, and it’s very possible if we had met on the street we would have walked on by, having no idea what interesting people we all are. However, we may at times disagree, and I think we can do that without destroying each other.
January 7th, 2007 at 3:30 pmBTW, Can I get a copy of the pictures?
Comment by robert
Sent in care of you and Mrs Robert? :)
January 7th, 2007 at 3:32 pmSent in care of you and Mrs Robert? :)
Comment by Zooey
If she don’t like it, she don’t have to look. I am all about full disclosure!!
Need the address?
January 7th, 2007 at 3:44 pmNeed the address?
Comment by robert
I’m lacing up my ass-kicking boots — don’t make me come over there. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI’m lacing up my ass-kicking boots — don’t make me come over there. :)
Comment by Zooey
“Swing” on by after your roadtrip to DC.:P
January 7th, 2007 at 4:01 pm“Swing†on by after your roadtrip to DC.:P
Comment by robert
Maybe I do need that address. The roadtrip gang would like to meet Mrs Robert. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThe more the merrier!! They are all female, right?
January 7th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThe more the merrier!! They are all female, right?
Comment by robert
Sorry to disappoint, Robert. We are Rogerx2 (the one in need of ass-kicking by our new Speaker), RUCerious, ForTruth (who called shotgun), katy (who will make sure we see all of the odd attractions on our way), and myself.
I’m sure Mrs Robert will enjoy the company of the three men, especially ForTruth, who is quite the charmer.
Um, the address….? :-D
January 7th, 2007 at 4:16 pmJust leave R2 at home. Don’t tempt me on the address.
Sounds like a party to me.8P
January 7th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSounds like a party to me.8P
Comment by robert
It would be a blast!
You’re a good man, Robert. Tell Mrs Robert we said so. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 4:35 pmZooey,
Thank! you know you are my fav!
Beer is always on ice for ya’
January 7th, 2007 at 4:37 pmBeer is always on ice for ya’
Comment by robert
You’ve grown on me, I must admit that, Robert. Men in uniform are almost as good as men in kilts, sometimes better — depending on how the wind is blowing. :)
Come to think of it, last time a military man offered me a beer, I was underage. I accepted. Ha!!
January 7th, 2007 at 4:47 pmYou’ve grown on me, I must admit that, Robert. Men in uniform are almost as good as men in kilts, sometimes better — depending on how the wind is blowing. :)
How about men in uniform kilts? Yes, there is a version of dress blues with a kilt, and I am 1/4 Scot and 1/4 Irish!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 4:52 pmHow about men in uniform kilts? Yes, there is a version of dress blues with a kilt, and I am 1/4 Scot and 1/4 Irish!!!
Comment by robert
Oh my god, don’t even get me started….!
I feel faint…
January 7th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#18: Why aren’t environmentalist[s] alarmed and focused on their emissions and willing to give them a pass, when they selectively focus their dismay about U.S emissions?
First, I don’t think this is true. People who are concerned about global warming are as concerned about carbson dioxide emissions in India just as much as they’re concerned about those in the U.S. As a U.S. citizen, however, I have a lot more influence over what my government does than over what other countries do. Also, bear in mind that the U.S. produces far more greenhouse gases per capita than any other nation–so we have a responsibility to cut our emissions before we can claim the moral authority to lead the rest of the world.
January 7th, 2007 at 5:01 pmOk, Zoo, now I know your real weakness. I’ll post a pic later for you!
January 7th, 2007 at 5:01 pmOk, Zoo, now I know your real weakness. I’ll post a pic later for you!
Comment by robert
Promises, promises…..
Heh.
January 7th, 2007 at 5:05 pmZoo,
January 7th, 2007 at 5:08 pmToo bad you trashed my e-mail address;)
#40: The choice seems to be to either to take me at my word or be offended. But that little group of people who think they can harass me into changing is going to keep banging their heads against the same wall while expecting different results.
You know, dude, where I come from, the usual protocol when you offend someone is to say, “Hey, I’m sorry. I wasn’t trying to be offensive. I’ll try to be more considerate next time.” It’s bad form to attack someone as “thin-skinned” when you strike a raw nerve. You end up sounding like a right-wing radio host.
January 7th, 2007 at 5:09 pmJim, I agree with most of #57. How do you propose we go about cutting our owns GHG?
January 7th, 2007 at 5:16 pmToo bad you trashed my e-mail address;)
Comment by robert
I never! Unless you’re holmert, back from the grave. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 5:17 pmOops. Yes, I did.
Mea culpa
January 7th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI’ve been an operational meteorologist in the southeast us for the Feds ( i will not say for who) for the last 17 years. Initially, in 1989 I doubted Global Warming, as all scientists should scrutinize research until they research it themselves.
The sudden increase in CO2 in the last half of the 20th century corresponds with the increase in industrial pollution. The temperature is increasing but is lagging. Due to the CO2 that is in the atmosphere now, we are commited to higher temps. The temp is lagging for the same reason why the hottest time of the day is not noon at solar maximum it is at 3 to 4 pm. The hottest time of the year is not at June 23rd, at solar maximum for the northern hemisphere, but is at the last half of July into August.
The warm winter we’re having is mostly caused by el nino, but in the 20 years, our el ninos have been stronger and more numerous than the prior 20 years. We don’t know if global warming has an affect on the frequency of el nino yet. My hunch it’s like a dog chasing its tail. Global Warming is causing more el ninos and el ninos cause an abnormally warm year, which this will be our warmest year on record, 2007.
Many critics of global warming on tv really piss me off as they blantantly lie and really don’t know what they’re talking about. They often cite qupotes from scientist decades ago that have since begun to accept global warming as reality due to the overwhelming evidence. They state that we, meteorologists hyped up a strong hurricane season so how can we be trusted with the global warming forecast. This is crap as el nino is a short term climate phenomena. El ninos are very hard to predict and was the cause of our lack of hurricanes this year. Once el nino is over, we will have a heavy hurricane season next year as we are in the height of a 30 year cycle.
Many critics say the 1930s and a couple periods in the middle ages were warmer than today. The truth is they were warm but not as intense and not for the same duration as we have had in the 90s and 2000s.
Many critics say that we meteorologists or climatologists just want more money. This is crap as well because as a metoerologist I stand to make more money in overtime than ever before due to the increase in severe weather. Back in the 90s, I averaged about 40 hours in over time per year, now I’m up to 100 hours.
Our CO2 number is climbing and its acceleration upward is increasing each year. I’m concerned we just went over the tipping point now. With the permafrost thawing in north canada and siberia the soil is releasing massive amounts of co2 that has been locked up for thousands of years. With the ice melting at the arctic regions the total reflectivity of the earth will climb from an average albedo of 30%. Ice reflects 90% of solar radiation where open sea water only reflect 10%. This will accelerate warming in the polar region especially the artc region. Although the average temperature has risen just over 1 degree worldwide, the polar regions have gotten the worst of it with average temps up by as much as 10 deg f. The equators temps have not risen.
At work today, yes we work 24 hours a day including weekends with rotating shifts, I had a northern hemisphere temperature map loaded. It showed the coldest temps in greenland at 38 below F, siberia 37 below and the north polar region at 33 below. Back in the early 90s I remember seeing temps in the 50s and 60s below. The range of below zero temps have also shrunk lately. Below zero temps are locked up above the artic circle except for a portion of siberia, right now.
The forecast models show some of this artic cold air punching into the north central us by late next week, but only briefly. And that’s another thing, our short and medeium range weather models are based partially on historical weather systems, they are not being very accurate lately. When you get weird things happening that have never been seen before like 2 hurricances in the south atlantic where they are not supposed to get hurricanes and tornadoes in the northern portions of the southeast us in january, the short and medium range models are a little questionable. I forecasted heavy rain to go up from georgia into virginia for today and tonight but the heavy rain is actually staying to the west in alabama and mississippi. I’ve never seen our main model (the gfs) be so bad over the last two months.
yes, i think we’ve past the tipping point. i would love to see our cars go to hydrogen very soon, but its too late. we’re commited. its time for us to prepare for the inevitable changes such as where are food is going to come from and other things that i’m not an expert at predicting what this will do.
One thing, mother nature always wins. the earth will try to balance itself out, but by releasing massive amounts of energy in other forms that will drive us crazy. We will not become extinct but it will be arduous living for us in our later years and for our kids and grand kids to deal with the change. I don’t want to sound like an alarmist but lately what i’m seeing gives me chills.
At least I will always have a job.
I’m writing this on the basis of free speech in the usa as a scientist studying the atmosphere and am not speaking on behalf of the agency I work for. I am upset at how my fellow climatologist collegues are having their research stifled by political appointees though.
January 7th, 2007 at 5:19 pmTo anyone viewing this – besides big business and money, why doesn’t the government put laws into place that would reduce global warming? Laws for companies and laws for the public? Do we fear that the government would be taking away some of our freedoms? What do we think life is going to be like in 25 years if we do not make massive massive changes today? Every person and every company needs to make serious changes. Some companies may need to fold up shop. All people need to change their lifestyles. I think it is all amount money and money being the root of our problems. All we talk about is the economy and how i needs to grow….We’ll I think it is time to wake up because what is going to happen when all the impacts forecasted by the global warming scients come to fruition? Politicians are consumed by money and comfort. Some are better than others, but folks we are in for serious times in the future and it is a shame that there is no real US and no real global coordination of laws – yes laws – that need to be put in place in order to fundamentally change the way we live. Humans need to go back to taking ownership of the environment. We need to decrease the pace of economic growth and get back stewardship of the world or soon there will not be one.
January 7th, 2007 at 6:33 pmStop global warming: go vegan and buy local. Drive as little as possible – ride a bike or walk!
It’s not that hard.
Support wind and solar energy whenever possible.
January 7th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“Stephanopoulos: Pelosi May Create Special Global Warming Committee
This morning on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos reported that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “is considering setting up a special committee in the House to deal with climate change and global warming.â€
*******Excellent idea – containing the “hot air” in Washington….
January 7th, 2007 at 6:38 pmIt is so good to see that some sort of sanity may prevail in the United States, re global climate change or “earth changes’ as I prefer to call it. An effort equal or greater than that undertaken in world war two, needs to be addressed now. John B is most correct in guess that tipping points have been passed. Climate weather feed back loops are now very pronounced , I live near the arctic circle, the coldest it has been this winter -38.5c, but before x’mas it was 9c due to ‘pinapple express’ from Hawaii. This summer temperatures over 35c three days in a row, combined with 18 hour plus daylight made for exellent gardening here. The really bad news is that glacial collapse and rising ocean levels are the part of the tipping point that will do the most damage, in the shortest time and be impossible to stop. In the last ice collapse some 9000 years ago, took only 18 months to do its damage. Sedimentry layers off Florida clearly show that Greenland ice travelled that far south. The time span for such a disaster happening today was put at 1000 years away by the U.N. in 2000. In 2002 Antarctic Larsen B ice sheet collapsed, it took scientist by surprise,it was quickly realised that time scale models were flawed. Melt water was found to be able to spit ice all the way down to bedrock, making for very fast collapse of supposedly stable ice. Sixteen months ago an ice sheet in the Arctic collaped and it was not even noticed till a few weeks ago, resources need to be put toward proper monitoring of these events. Ocean level rises caused by glacial collapse will make virtually all the worlds ports unusable, replacement ports will take 3-5 years to build. With more than half of the worlds population residing with in 10 miles of the ocean, rising ocean levels will make ‘Katrina’ disaster look like a minor event. I have been told by a coastal erosion scientist that a 3 foot increase in ocean levels would be enough to make most ports unuseable, glacial ice could bring rises of 60 feet or more. As a child I watched daily as Arrow lake water levels increase to 68 feet, when a dam was built on the Columbia river to prevent a U.S. plutonium reprocessing plant from possible flood damage. The potential damage if oceans do the same will be horrific, each nuclear facility at sea level becoming a potential chernoble, not to mention the acid rains that will follow after the flood. I put a time scale of perhaps less than 7years, till this senario plays out. It will most likely take 20 years to move every one to higher ground. So if I am even partially correct we all have a lot to do and a very short time to do it. The Ross ice shelf in Antarctica is near collapse stage now, if it goes the West antarctice ice sheet will surely follow. Earth changes will also involve extra earthquake and volcanic activity due to changes in tension of earth plates as ocean levels rise. Lastly ‘global dimming’ caused by man made particles in atmosphere has actually hidden or masked the worse of climate change so far, actual mean temperatures being even higher than that now recorded. The irony being that going ‘green’ and attempting to reduce carbon in atmosphere could actully bring on distaster even faster. This will be because as the Arctic defrosts and the Arctic ocean becomes a positive heat feed back loop, massive amounts of methane(100 times more effective as green house gas) will be liberated, the day that happens god help us all.
January 7th, 2007 at 7:49 pmSUBJECT: ENDING THE WORLD’S ADDICTION TO OIL–EMPOWERING THE PEOPLE TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION–NO NEW FEES OR TOLLS
Please be advised that there is an important new book available on subject.
The book is: “HOW TO LIVE WELL WITHOUT OWNING A CAR” by Chris Balish.
This book provides a voluntary, step-by-step, plan to empower all people in the fight to reduce the number of cars on the road, to break the world’s addiction to oil, and to stop global warming. Car sharing is an important part of this plan.
This is a good plan that could be a great plan if governments would offer economic incentives to further encourage its adoption.
January 7th, 2007 at 8:23 pmIF YOU LOVE HILLARY CLINTON AND WANT HER TO WIN KEEP POSTING
Think tanks
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Think_tanks
Think Tank Town -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ linkset/ 2006/ 04/ 03/ LI2006040301493.html
The Left Coaster: Matt Bai on the Center for American Progress
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/000699.php
Study Finds First Drop in Think Tank Cites
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2897
Center for American Progress
http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/1023-09.htm
The Center for American Progress (CAP) describes itself as “a nonpartisan research and educational institute†aimed at “developing a long-term vision of a progressive America†and “providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals.â€
Robert Dreyfuss reports in the March 1, 2004 edition of The Nation: “The idea for the Center began with discussions in 2002 between [Morton] Halperin and George Soros, the billionaire investor. … Halperin, who heads the office of Soros’ Open Society Institute, brought [former Clinton chief of staff John] Podesta into the discussion, and beginning in late 2002 Halperin and Podesta circulated a series of papers to funders.â€
Soros and Halperin recruited Harold Ickes — chief fundraiser and former deputy chief of staff for the Clinton White House — to help organize the Center. It was launched on July 7, 2003 as the American Majority Institute. The name was changed to Center for American Progress (CAP) on September 1, 2003. The official purpose of the Center was to provide the left with something it supposedly lacked — a think tank of its own.
Regarding the new think tank proposed by Soros and Halperin, Hillary Clinton told Matt Bai of The New York Times Magazine on October 12, 2003, “We need some new intellectual capital. There has to be some thought given as to how we build the 21st-century policies that reflect the Democrat Party’s values.†She later told The Nation’s Robert Dreyfuss, “We’ve had the challenge of filling a void on our side of the ledger for a long time, while the other side created an infrastructure that has come to dominate political discourse. The Center is a welcome effort to fill that void.â€
Persistent press leaks confirm that Hillary Clinton, and not Podesta, is ultimately in charge of CAP. “It’s the official Hillary Clinton think tank,†an inside source confided to Christian Bourge of United Press International. Robert Dreyfuss notes in The Nation, “In looking at Podesta’s center, there’s no escaping the imprint of the Clintons. It’s not completely wrong to see it as a shadow government, a kind of Clinton White-House-in-exile — or a White House staff in readiness for President Hillary Clinton.†Dreyfuss notes the abundance of Clintonites on the Center’s staff, among them Clinton’s national security speechwriter Robert Boorstin; Democratic Leadership Council staffer and former head of Clinton’s National Economic Council Gene Sperling; former senior advisor to Clinton’s Office of Management and Budget Matt Miller; and others.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE A THINKTANK
IF IT SMELLS LIKE A THINKTANK
IF IT WALKS LIKE A THINKTANK
IF IT TALKS LIKE A THINKTANK
AND IF ALL THE PRESS CALLS IT WHAT IT IS
IT MUST BE A THINKTANK
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January 7th, 2007 at 11:31 pmAccording to Congressman Waxman, Global Warming is “the most serious environmental problem that we’re facing.†He is entirely correct, but he doesn’t go far enough. What most people don’t realize is that not only is it the most serious environmental problem, it is the most serious problem – period. If we don’t make drastic changes fast and we continue business as usual, we are headed for a certain doomsday scenario.
All other problems will simply pale in comparison once the ice sheets melt and the floods start. Millions of people around the world will be forced out of their homes and will swarm to higher ground, disease will run rampant, there will be an explosion of crime when people are forced to steal food and defend their property, and territory wars will result. The transportation system carrying food and supplies will be severely impacted causing hunger and starvation. Thousands of workers will no longer be able to get to work because of flooded highways and bridges. Loss of real property will be in the hundreds of billions. The economy will simply grind to a halt and an economic depression on a scale never seen before will follow.
It sounds bleak, but it doesn’t have t to be that way. We can make a difference now, but we have to act quickly. Hopefully, we haven’t reached a tipping point yet, but we will soon. We can elect leaders who will make the environment a priority, not just an afterthought. We can vote with our wallets by buying environmentally friendly cars and by investing in alternative energy and bio-fuels. We can get educated so we can easily recognize spin and BS when we see it. Mostly, we have to do whatever it takes to kick our fossil fuel addiction.
January 8th, 2007 at 9:14 amPelosi and Waxman mean business…this is good.
January 8th, 2007 at 10:17 am#62: How do you propose we go about cutting our owns GHG?
Henry Waxman’s proposed Safe Climate Act is a great place to start.
In terms of things we can do as individuals: get energy-efficient appliances and light bulbs, lower your thermostat (and use clock thermostats), increase the insulation in your house, get window and door quilts, recycle, buy a hybrid car (if you can), ride your bicycle (or walk), use mass transit (and encourage local and national policy makers to make this a priority), call your power company and ask them to use renewable energy, vote for leaders who take the issue seriously, write your congresspeople, plant trees, call radio shows to discuss the issue, write letters to the editor, insist that the U.S. freeze its carbon dioxide emissions and join international efforts to reduce global warming, insist that the U.S. reduce its dependence on fossil fuels, insist on raising fuel efficiency standards, and educate yourself and others about the crisis. For starters. And watch “An Inconvenient Truth.”
January 8th, 2007 at 11:32 amThey mean to waste money like good little Dems.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:39 amIs that Nancy Pelosi or Norma Desmond? “I’m ready for my close up.”
January 9th, 2007 at 11:15 amPresident Bush is not the President to be making plans to stabilize Iraq, to many mistakes, to many lies. President Bush needs to be ‘Plutoed’.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amAnother comment – I have read thru all of the commentary above and I have seen many ideas about what individuals can do to help reduce carbon emmissions and reduce global warming. Tons of books and websites give suggestions on what to do to reduct carbon emmissions…However most people will not voluntarily follow those suggestions because some of them are a little inconvenient and some are difficult. Considering the price that we will be paying in probably less than 10 years, I do not think that any of the ideas are too far of a stretch. We need U.S. and Global laws in place now to address every aspect of our economy and how we live. A massively complex undertaking? Yes, but consider the consequences…..
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