Pelosi: Congress Will Not Fund Escalation If Bush Does Not Justify It
Pelosi: Congress Will Not Fund Escalation If Bush Does Not Justify It
This morning on CBS’s Face the Nation, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) announced that Congress may refuse to authorize funding for an escalation of U.S. forces to Iraq if President Bush cannot justify the strategy.
Pelosi stated clearly that Congress will fully support all U.S. forces currently in Iraq. “But if the president wants to add to this mission, he is going to have to justify it,” Pelosi said. “This is new for him because up until now the Republican Congress has given a blank check with no oversight, no standards, no conditions, and we have gone into this situation, which is a war without end, which the American people have rejected.”
Watch it:
A recent Center for American Progress memo explains how Congress could — and should — prevent Bush from sending more troops into a civil war in Iraq without a clear mission. An excerpt:
Although the new Congress should not refuse to provide the funds that the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan need, it can place an amendment on the supplemental funding bill that states that if the administration wants to increase the number of troops in Iraq above 150,000, it must provide a plan for their purpose and require an up or down vote on exceeding that number.
Defense Appropriations Chairman John Murtha (D-PA) told Arianna Huffington last week that he wants to “fence the funding,” denying the president the resources to escalate the war, instead using the money to take care of the soldiers as we bring them home from Iraq “as soon as we can.”
UPDATE: Taylor Marsh has video of the rest of Pelosi’s interview.
UPDATE II: Bob Geiger has more analysis.
Full transcript:
SCHIEFFER: So, you’ve told him what you don’t want to do, and that is to expand the size of the force in Iraq even on a short-term basis. But what if he decides to do that? What will be your action then?
PELOSI: If the president chooses to escalate the war, in his budget request we want to see a distinction between what is there to support the troops who are there now. The American people and the Congress support those troops. We will not abandon them.
But if the president wants to add to this mission, he is going to have to justify it. And this is new for him because up until now the Republican Congress has given him a blank check with no oversight, no standards, no conditions. And we’ve gone into this situation, which is a war without end, which the American people have rejected.
SCHIEFFER: Now, let me ask you, and make sure I understand exactly what you are saying because, up until now, Democrats have not been enthusiastic about using the ultimate weapon, and that is to cut off funding.
PELOSI: We won’t do that.
SCHIEFFER: But you will not vote any more money to expand the size of the force there?
Is that what you’re telling us?
PELOSI: I’m saying two things. We will always support the troops who are there. If the president wants to expand the mission, that’s a conversation he has to have with the Congress of the United States.
But that’s not a carte blanche, a blank check to him to do whatever he wishes there.
And I want to make a distinction here. Democrats do support increasing the size of the Army by 30,000, the Marines by 10,000 to make sure we’re able to protect the American people.
SCHIEFFER: Enlarging the services overall?
PELOSI: Overall, in order to protect the American people against any threats to our interests, wherever they may occur. That’s different, though, from adding troops to Iraq.
The president wants to escalate a war where his generals are telling him that the additional troops will not be effective, that they’re easily digestible, to have this number of troops go into Baghdad, and then again, ignoring the strong message of the American people.
SCHIEFFER: So at this point, the Democrats in Congress are not prepared to pay for or to fund an additional number of troops in Iraq?
PELOSI: We have to see what the president has to say. It’s not an open-ended commitment anymore. But we will always be there to protect our troops and to support our troops.
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Way to go Nancy.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe terrorists are emboldened by the mid-term elections and an outcome in which they believe was a victory for them. Watching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life. The people who are trying to kill us DO NOT recognize women as equals and the terrorists view this as further signs of the collective weakness of the USA. I’m sure hearing her cackle like a chicken while being sworn in (the way her face contorts makes her look developmentally challenged) surrounded by a bunch of children really instilled fear in the hearts of the terrorists. This blog is a shining example of how the terrorists, their methods and their goals of divide and conquer will prevail over the USA and it’s collective way of life. Your children are going to die at the hands of these terrorists; and you continue to fan the flame. While all of you waste your time pounding meaningless words which will NEVER EVER CHANGE ONE THING, the terrorists are plotting a way to kill you and your children. Your collective ignorance is very scary and I’m glad I did not bring children into this world…..Here is a riddle: Was there more violence and death in IRAQ or California in 2005. The answer is CALIFORNIA!
Blog on dolts while the world is burning around you!!!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 11:47 amHow big of a temper tantrum do you think the boy king is pitching over this?
Even better that it’s a strong and intelligent woman who is doing this. Seeing how he’s never had one of those in his life before…
January 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amMy question is: Define justification? That is very subjective, to say the least.
I am not sayinig the idea is wrong, I am just curious what the defines justification. Many wouild say there is no justification some would say that if we can prove a “winable solution” it would be justified.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:53 amBlog on dolts while the world is burning around you!!!!!!
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
It must suck to be you. So uniformed, so angry, so confused…
We feel sorry for you Stevie…
January 7th, 2007 at 11:55 amThe terrorists are emboldened by the mid-term elections and an outcome in which they believe was a victory for them. Watching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life. The terrorists DO NOT respect her as a leader; they see her as a weakness of the USA. I’m sure hearing her cackle surrounded by a bunch of children really instilled fear in the hearts of the terrorists. This blog is a shining example of how the terrorists, their methods and their goals of divide and conquer will prevail over the USA and it’s collective way of life. Your children are going to die at the hands of these terrorists; as you continue to fan the flame. While all of you waste your time pounding meaningless words which will NEVER EVER CHANGE ONE THING, the terrorists are plotting a way to kill you and your children. Your collective ignorance is very scary and I’m glad I did not bring children into this world…..Here is a riddle: Was there more violence and death in IRAQ or California in 2005. The answer is CALIFORNIA!
Blog on dolts while the world is burning around you!!!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 11:58 amShe’s stating that the request for additional troops will have to come with specific goals for these troops and with a specific dollar amount. She’s asking the president to define some parameters for the additional troops. He has already said this would happen and now she is reminding him. What will probably piss GW off is that it will hold him to bench marks and a timetable for these additional troops. That’s something he has not wanted to do.
January 7th, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
A sad case of a “Child Left Behind”…
January 7th, 2007 at 11:59 amMy question is: Define justification? That is very subjective, to say the least.
Valid question… But I think it’s deeper than that.
I am not sayinig the idea is wrong, I am just curious what the defines justification. Many wouild say there is no justification some would say that if we can prove a “winable solution†it would be justified.
Comment by robert — January 7, 2007 @ 11:53 am
If she blantantly says “No”, then it’s making her the very thing we fired in November - partisan and unflexible.
If instead, she says “Okay, you want the money - you PROVE we should give it to you”, then the burden of proof - and failure - is on the President.
She’s a smart woman. This was the smart thing to say. It says “I’m listening, but make your case valid or I can’t help you.” Excellent strategy once you get past the initial concern.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pmriddle me this, stevie. Are you saying we aren’t paying enough attention to the problems within our own borders? or should we be deploying troops to California?
I’m also glad you didn’t bring children into this world.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWe gave Bush a blank check three years ago and he’s just made a mess of historic proportions. Time to cut up the credit card.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThere NEVER was a strategy for this war even from the outset! The reason was bogus, as we’ve come to learn the hard way. Lies never succeed! And lied to we were! How is it that over half of the american people as well as the rest of the world did not agree with us going to war in Iraq? Are these americans simply more enlightened than those who voted to give a dictator such unchecked power which was based on lies and deceit? Are these “enablers” that stupid? These very enablers are sitting in congress right now and need to get a HUGE slapdown from the american people who were not only “smarter than they were” but certainly “more enlightened than they were/are”… Everyone who voted to grant this imperial dictator war power needs to read Schlesinger’s book entitled: THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY to see how in the years leading up to Nixon’s resignation, the war power was abused by presidents. However, in reading this book, it’s crystal clear that this president has upped that unchecked power to another level and now this country is doomed to failure because of it. The very foundation upon which this once-great country was built has been shattered - illegal wiretapping of it’s citizens, the lifting of habeas corpus, the breaking of the geneva conventions, the overwhelming national debt which is tanking this country economically and will bring about another recession/depression if we continue to allow such capricious and unchecked fiscal accountability (do you balance your checkbook like this? Wouldn’t that be everyone’s dream??). Things are completely out of hand and if we continue to enable this debacle in Iraq it will only become a bigger debacle (two wrongs will NEVER make a right) so let’s send a clear signal and cut this lameduck president off at the knees where it counts and refuse to spend another dime on Iraq.
He never had a valid, legal “reason” for going to war in the first place so he could never have a valid plan - he’s never identified a realistic “enemy” (fighting an idealogy with guns? Huh? What’s missing here? Some normal intelligence on his part for sure)….without a clearly defined “enemy”, there should never be a “war”…..No reason for war…..No enemy defined…..no strategy…..no plan. It’s kaput and this psycho needs to get out of his own way and allow this Congress to “save this country” from itself.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“it must suck to be you” is an incorrect assumption based on your ignorance about me and my life. I have a great career, money, the love of my life and I’m not confused about anything. You make another meaningless statement without addressing one point I made in my post. I did not attack you personally and yet that was your tack. I’m sorry you lack the intellect to debate without personal assaults based on your complete ignorance, you’ve proved my point about you. Your posts are a meaningless waste of time which will never serve to change on thing in your life.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pm#6 For the record: Your “fear mongering” tactics (the GOP’s only hope in their pile of ruin and rubble) isn’t going to work on americans any longer! Save your breath and typing time. It’s not about “fear” any longer - but nice try! It’s about “peace” and bringing “hope” once again to this country. You’re totally out of your league here.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmHey, stevieg,
Damn! That sounds scary. Holy crap, you’d better enlist right away! That’ll show them terrists you mean bidness!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pm” and we have gone into this situation, which is a war without end, which the American people have rejected.â€
Yes, Yes we have. I hate to see it go this way, but so be it.
Bush gets to be Presidential, or Dictatorial. He’s the decider.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmAt least she is using the right word…ESCALATION..rather than SURGE. While ‘New Way Forward’ is the new term of the day used by pundits and officials, it is no different than ‘Stay The Course’ which Bush claims he never used as a policy. ‘New Way Forward’ was delivered by NeCons after Iraqi Study Group(ISG) report put to death.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI’ve been worried about Nancy and Harry being too weak, but I gotta hand it to Pelosi - great start. God, I hope she keeps it up. Somebody keep the consultants away from her.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmagree with you that it is smart on her part, but what is a valid case? That is my curiosity and concern.
There is no guarantee that surging troops will or will not be the “silver bullet” needed over there.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pmShe refused to say exactly what they would do if Bush ignores them. This tells me either they feel that they really cannot do anything. Or will not. Personally I dont see why they dont pull another card out that says we never declared war and Bush himself said Iraq had “nothing” to do with 911 and Congress ONLY authorized action for a response to 911. That should provide a path for declaring that the president has no grounds to carry on a mission that was not authorized by Congress. And THAT might convince enough republicans that they can not back this president any longer…. and then that may lead to the REAL ultimate weapon…. Bush cant keep us in Iraq if he and the VP are no longer in office.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmStevieG2000: are you an idiot, or a liar?
Deaths (murders) in Calif, 2005: 2,503
Deaths due to war in Iraq, 2005: min. 25,000
Maybe both.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmstevieg7000
I really feel sorry for people like you. I used to tell myself that I dont understand why everybody in America doesnt jump onto the PC revolution and start working as computer people …which is better in the long run than regular factory work… I thought hell anybody can learn this stuff because I taught it all to myself and it really isnt that hard…. But people like you have served to educate me that it doesnt matter if some people really just “dont get it” because they are mentally …limited… or if they are forcing themselves to seem like it because of some prejudices they have … in the end some people are just too damn stupid.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pmmotherlowman - I’m taking care of myself and my family. I would not waste my time in the military because you and your ilk are not worth defending. I hope they let the prisoners at gitmo loose in this country.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmYou are right robert. She is putting the burden of proof on the president and the request will be allowed to be brought onto the floors of congress for debate and not behind closed doors and pushed on the american just for the fear of terrorism.
What is a valid reason for the escalation? What is the timetable for this escalation? What is the dollar amount associated with this escalation? What are the benchmarks to be met?
The President should answer all of these. It’s understood that the situation on the ground will change but an initial plan that needs to be adjusted is far better than no plan at all.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe terrorists are emboldened by the mid-term elections and an outcome in which they believe was a victory for them. Watching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life.
It’s “its”.
Also, outside of the US nobody knows or cares who the Speaker of the House is. Not even the terrorists.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pm‘Watching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life. The people who are trying to kill us DO NOT recognize women as equals and the terrorists view this as further signs of the collective weakness of the USA.’
wow, stevie, you really have a problem with women, doncha? scared of them, hmmm? scared of just about everything, huh bedwetter?
go nancy!
drive the mental midgets nuts! it’s so fun to watch them writhe!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:16 pmArthur Craven - I said VIOLENCE AND DEATH. not death alone.
Pull your head out of your ass and empty the shit it’s full of you illiterate son of a b**ch. Yes that is an insult to the w***re who bore you.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pmStevieg7000 said: I would not waste my time in the military because you and your ilk are not worth defending
Steveieg7000: When did American conservatism degenerate into authoritarian cultism? in case you’re wondering how decent Germans became obedient Nazis, I suggest you take a look in the mirror, you obsequious know-nothing blowhard.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pmi hope they let the prisoners in gitmo loose on you, stevie, you weaselly little chickenhawk.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pmA sad case of a “Child Left Behindâ€â€¦
Comment by New Yorker — January 7, 2007 @ 11:59 am
LOL… truly
January 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmGW Botch will ignore Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic majority. The only thing Botch will understand is:
IMPEACHMENT
The only thing this will stop Botch is:
IMPEACHMENT
January 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHow can the President do anything other than reassure the merican people that this proposed “surge” is well-planned with specific measurable objectives? If it is anything other than a ploy to delay accountability for the didastrous results of this war , while giving the time needed for oil interests to set up their own reward, then this resolute determined wise leader should have no problem. So there.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmmotherlowman - I’m taking care of myself and my family. I would not waste my time in the military because you and your ilk are not worth defending. I hope they let the prisoners at gitmo loose in this country.
Comment by stevieg7000
Stevie, baby, as someone that is currently “wasting time” in the military (while being able to take care of myself and my family), I think it is an honor to represent the citizens of the US that post here. I rarely agree with them, but I love that there are forums like this.
Hell, I even like to defend people like you that think I am “wasting my time”.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pmGerald Gibson Jr….It seems the only thing you people are really capable of is ignorant assumption about me based on my opinion and personal attacks. How does that make you superior intellectually? I feel sorry for people who work on PC’s….I would be bored beyond tears. I have a degree and part owner of a company which produces entertainment and consumer shows…..it’s like getting paid to play. I took seven weeks of paid vacation last year. Did you get two weeks after two years?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmit was such a pleasure watching her this morning…
first time in years - except for meeting obama last summer - that i’ve felt so much pride and hope for the country and the people…
keep it up speaker pelosi!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThe people who are trying to kill us DO NOT recognize women as equals and the terrorists view this as further signs of the collective weakness of the USA.
So, are you saying that since these backward-ass religious kooks don’t recognize women as equals that we shuldn’t have a woman speaker of the house? Do you think Denny Hastert’s bloated carcass instilled fear in the terrorists?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmWHAT DOES SHE MEAN, “UNLESS HE JUSTIFIES IT”?
If he’s for the troops, he justified it right there and then!
Get with the program fancy, Nancy-pants. Either you support the troops or ya dont.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#20- Gerald…you are making a good point,if the Democrats has to win anything in this they have to go back to the initial ‘authorization of use of force’ that the House and Senate gave to Bush administration; it was linked to 9/11 and war on terror.It was justified on terms meant to stop Saddam WMDS programs which are threat to security of USA.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pmstevieg7000 seems to be drinking his kool-aid from the pin-pricked tip of a Repugnican condom. Keep sucking buddy…
January 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pmi wrote down one thing she said that really moved me…
when schieffer asked her if the dEms would use “the power of the purse”, she answered, they are “ready to use the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY OF OVERSIGHT.”
YAAAAAAY!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pm“it must suck to be you†is an incorrect assumption based on your ignorance about me and my life.
Not at all. You came here and pitched an angry fit (that’s what caps and multiple exclamation points mean).
Not that tough to use logic to figure out that I wouldn’t want to be you - even if you were a rich supermodel with adoring friends and family.
I have a great career, money, the love of my life and I’m not confused about anything.
But you come here and start screaming, making accusations and insulting people. You’re proof that money, a job and a date don’t make you happy. True happiness is what you have when you don’t have those things…
You make another meaningless statement without addressing one point I made in my post.
Not interested. People like you don’t debate. You stand on soapboxes, pontificate and then get mad when challenged. You’re just another whack-a-troll.
I’ll have a rational debate with robert - a conservative - because he is respectful. Try it.
I did not attack you personally and yet that was your tack. I’m sorry you lack the intellect to debate without personal assaults based on your complete ignorance, you’ve proved my point about you. Y
Funny that someone who says I can’t evaluate him because I don’t know him, then turns around and does the very thing he was whining about. LOL
our posts are a meaningless waste of time which will never serve to change on thing in your life.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Funny. I’ve changed everything in my life. I used to be a religious conservative who listened to Bill O’Reilly and voted for Newt Gingrich. And then I found out that it was better to give it all up and start thinking for myself. It’s how I knew you were an angry individual. You announced it.
Want a different response form people? Then. logic dictates that you chould take a different approach next time?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pmagree with you that it is smart on her part, but what is a valid case? That is my curiosity and concern.
Think about how anyone ever justifies anything…
You make sound and logical arguments based on facts.
There is no guarantee that surging troops will or will not be the “silver bullet†needed over there.
Comment by robert — January 7, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Agreed. It’s why she wants him to make his case.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmJOIN US IN WASHIGTON D.C. ON 27 JANUARY TO MARCH AGAINST THE WAR. DEMAND THE 110TH CONGRESS TO END THIS BULLSHIT WAR.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmPull your head out of your ass and empty the shit it’s full of you illiterate son of a b**ch. Yes that is an insult to the w***re who bore you.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
I told you so…
January 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWatching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life. The people who are trying to kill us DO NOT recognize women as equals and the terrorists view this as further signs of the collective weakness of the USA.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
So are you saying we should give into fear and allow terrorists to determine our politics?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI am scared and you all win. You are all completely right and I am completely wrong. Let’s all revel in your absolutism.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI’ll have a rational debate with robert - a conservative - because he is respectful. Try it.
Who, me?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pmPlease define what a justification is.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmPUT YO HOOD UP!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:34 pmunbelievable - what has ANY of your posts changed in the world….nothing!!!!!!!! It’s painful to read some of this.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pm[…] Democratic Congress will likely deny Bush funding for the escalation. […]
January 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWho, me?
Comment by robert — January 7, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Yes. I might not sugar-coat things, but I am fair. I have no problem admitting that you are conservative, but not a troll, and are respectful (you don’t insult people or yell).
January 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmJust repeal the Congressional Resolution passed in 2002 that authorized the use of military forces in Iraq: Public Law 107-243- October 16, 2002: Authorization for the use of military force against Iraq. Resolution of 2002.
This Resolution was passed by majority vote in the House and the Senate and can thus be repealed in a similar manner.
Then this illegal and unconstitutional war will be over…
Have a Bright New Year.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmAshenShard - Our country already did during the mid term elections. Instead of spending time here reaffirming each other, why don’t you pay attention to what the terrorists are saying and doing. My post was partly a paraphrase from the terrorists themselves.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI squirm (puke, wretch, heat up, cool down, twitch and generally am repulsed) when I hear “niceties” delivered by anyone at this point about the continuation of a war for oil. I treat people I know are fascists politely in public, but I would not engage them in conversation otherwise.
justification? imagine.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by stevieg7000
It doesnt take any assumptions to see the evidence of the past 6 years laid out before us on TV and the Internet and then look at people like you obviously with access to the Internet and still saying stupid things like what you are saying. If you didnt blow things out of proportion and didnt try to make it look like an entire religion is Dr. Evil and Al Qeada is their mini-me THEN maybe you would be taken seriously enough to consider your ideas. Instead you present yourself as a wild eyed weirdo that I dont want around my children and dont see as an “intellictual power house”.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmHere’s the part of Pelosi’s statement that I don’t understand:
“Although the new Congress should not refuse to provide the funds that the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan need.” …and…
“The American people and the Congress support those troops. We will not abandon them.”
What do the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan “need” funds for? Aren’t they there to kill and die in an endless war with little point but to save Bush from having to face failure?
What happens if Congress does not “provide the funds that the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan need”…then does Bush spend the funds already authorized until it’s gone, and tell the troops they’re on their own to get home however they can? I don’t think so…
A tough stance against escalation is good, but leaves us in the same mess that voters objected to in November…continuing a losing war for two more years for the sake of one man’s ego. Where’s the progress in that?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“the w***re who bore you”
I’m really trying to figure out an alternative to wofare, which is an archaic term for sorrow, and was originally the opposite of “welfare.” Indeed, the idea of being born from sorrow is rather poetic, but indicates a certain breadth of vision inconsistent with the rest of the post!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmI rarely agree with them, but I love that there are forums like this.
At this point, Robert, I think “seldom” would be a better word than “rarely.”
Hell, I even like to defend people like you that think I am “wasting my timeâ€.
Comment by robert
We appreciate you, and would never think you’re wasting your time. Thanks!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmwhy don’t you pay attention to what the terrorists are saying and doing.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmComment by stevieg7000
You want us to watch the White House then? Either you are delusional or you are getting paid for such a baseless, fear and war propaganda.
unbelievable - what has ANY of your posts changed in the world….nothing!!!!!!!! It’s painful to read some of this.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Today? That’s an awfully unrealistic expectation of anyone. To change the world in 20 minutes…
In the year I’ve been here? I’ve been a voice for change. And incase you didn’t notice, we were instrumental in what happened on November 7th, which will probably - hopefully - be a very positive change for the world.
I also stopped being self-centered by leaving a lucrative architecture career to go teach high school students. This year, I’ve managed to keep a couple of kids from dropping out of high school, have taught my students critical thinking skills, and have made sure there are at least a few kids who will contribute to society by validating them, respecting them and helping them find a direction in life.
You?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm*
January 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmsometimes caps and exclamation points denote a happy excitement…
just sayin’…
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#35 katy
January 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmShe was poised and articulate this morning on FtN.
Added to the interview Russert had with Barack Obama that I saw last night, I have more hopes for the Democrats’ ability to carry us more positively into the future.
unbelievable - what has ANY of your posts changed in the world….nothing!!!!!!!! It’s painful to read some of this.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
If our posts here aren’t changing anything and your posts aren’t changing any of us here then tell us all what the hell you’re doing here exactly?
BTW, it’s massively painful to know you’re a citizen of this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmstevieg7000 - what have ANY of your posts changed in the world….nothing!!!!!!!! It’s painful to read your comments.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmJuan C - you are right my fears are baseless because it was our government who took down the towers.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pm[…] Think Progress has the Video […]
January 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pm#54 stevieg7000
So you are saying that by us having a democratic process and electing officials to office, that we are helping the terrorists? Should we go to one party rule instead and give Bush divine right powers in order to deny the terrorists victory?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“I’m not confused about anything. You make another meaningless statement without addressing one point I made in my post.”
OK, then, I’ll take on one of these purported points:
“This blog is a shining example of how the terrorists, their methods and their goals of divide and conquer will prevail over the USA and it’s collective way of life.”
How /exactly/ is Thinkprogress helping terrorists win? Please elaborate.
Because otherwise this point reads like bald, emotional opinion - partly because it is completely unsupported by anything else I read there. If I read it unemotionally, it seems to me that you are (I’m sorry) indeed confused about what “free speech” means or how important that principle is to what you (confusingly) term the USAs “collective way of life.”
If I had to guess (which I do, since you present no arguments whatsoever), I’d guess that this “collective way of life” is your own very peculiar vision of what Limbaugh (horrifyingly) termed “the way things ought to be” - an utterly homogenous land where everyone thinks as you do. Some kind of “Happy Days” of the heart, perhaps … but I’m being unfair.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmHey, katy, Zoo, UnB…folks. How are you?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWhat about the hijacking of threads by halbert holmert and the muteness of TP? Perhaps we should lure these trolls to write about 9/11 conspiracy theories…that should get them banned. :)
Comment by stevieg7000 54)
There is only two things the American people need to concentrate on when it comes to terrorists. How to cut off our need for foreign oil and how to protect the INs and OUTs of our country. Then we will have no more weaknesses that any terrorist can use against us. At any time any small group of people can get together and try to pull off a “one off” attack whether they be foreign or domestic. That is what the FBI is for. The FBI cant stop all things but they do a good job over all. If our CIA ever discovers an attempt by a COUNTRY to attack us then we have the military to take care of problems like that. You people just wanted to use the military instead of treating the military like a very special tool that ONLY gets used in self defense.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThe terrorists do not differentiate between a liberal or a conservative. Every US citizen who is not a Muslim is an infidel, a yawah. Their doctrine is to seek out new nations, multiple and conquer. When you’re being given the choice to swear allegiance to Allah or death you cannot say they did not warn you. You can label this fear mongering, I call it a healthy understanding of the world in which we live. I suggest reading America Alone…..it details what is already happening in Europe and will eventually be the fall of this nation. History proves ALL nations fall, unfortunately we’re giving them a hand in the process.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmyou are right my fears are baseless because it was our government who took down the towers.
Comment by stevieg7000
The sad thing is that we probably will never know.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmBut whenever you talk about terrorists, you have to be aware that there has been 180+ landings, occupations and invasions in US history against sovereign countries. Who are the terrorists, stevie?
Perhaps we should lure these trolls to write about 9/11 conspiracy theories…that should get them banned. :)
Comment by Juan C
Hi Juan, I’m doing well. How about you? I had a lovely evening of troll-baiting last night.
I don’t think luring these moronic trolls into discussing 9/11 conspiracies would do any good — it’s hard for them to keyboard from a puddle of piss under their beds.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI’m not a citizen of your country.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI don’t support George Bush.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pm*
sometimes caps and exclamation points denote a happy excitement…
just sayin’…
.Comment by katy — January 7, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Could you just stop?
Skip my freaking posts and stop speaking to or about me.
You are being ridiculous and intentially contentious, and it’s not only childishly old, but it’s past annoying. Just stop it katy. Just stop.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI think the USA needs to leave EVERY country it is occupying, many for decades.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmEvery US citizen who is not a Muslim is an infidel, a yawah. Their doctrine is to seek out new nations, multiple and conquer.
January 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmComment by stevieg7000
Yes!! Just like gay people…/sarcasm
One question, stevie. Have you ever talked to a Muslim? Or you happen to know all those lies from your TV set? I would encourage you to go to your nearest Mosque and talk with a Muslim, and share your questions with him. Lets see what he says about your opinion on Muslims.
72) Comment by stevieg7000
And the right wingers say we are all a bunch of sinners going to hell. So what is your point? Who cares what backwater pissed off religious people think about America? They think we are weak? WHO CARES! We have nukes so they obviously are just delusional. They think we are all infidels? WHO CARES? We have seperation of church and state and short of putting a bullet through all of our heads that isnt going to change. Well except for you that fear every shadow thinking there might be a muslim there… you guys are so afraid I am not sure you would even defend the seperation of church and state.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhat about the hijacking of threads by halbert holmert and the muteness of TP? Perhaps we should lure these trolls to write about 9/11 conspiracy theories…that should get them banned. :)
Comment by Juan C — January 7, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
I guess I give TP the benefit of the doubt because I don’t know a think about running a premiere blog like this. And I’ve had the spam filter eat my posts on occasion as well.
Hal did suddenly disappear yesterday. :D
January 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmJuan - I did try to go to a Mosque, they would not let me in.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWhat about the hijacking of threads by halbert holmert and the muteness of TP? Perhaps we should lure these trolls to write about 9/11 conspiracy theories…that should get them banned. :)
Comment by Juan C — January 7, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
‘morning juan… ugh… that was especially annoying yesterday/night…
“the muteness of TP” … exactly… unexplainable… certainly curious…
January 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmas i posted in another thread: maybe the jerk really IS a friend of TPs…
or really CAN blackmail them… or really IS a super-trolling wiz…
i know i didn’t expect to see any of it’s shite this morning… huh…
gloat on, hal… know that i will ignore your pathetic rants…
.
I’m not a citizen of your country.
Comment by stevieg7000
Small miracles….
January 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmstevieg7000,
At post #13 you stated:
I did not attack you personally and yet that was your tack.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
But in post #2 you started the day by saying:
Blog on dolts while the world is burning around you!!!!!!
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Did you or did you not call all of here “dolts” in your very first posting. You’re another worthless troll or sock-puppet!! Ph*ck you!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI would encourage you to go to your nearest Mosque and talk with a Muslim, and share your questions with him. Lets see what he says about your opinion on Muslims.
Comment by Juan C
Dont do it stevieg7000! You know those muslims would snatch you away in their mosque and no one would ever hear from you again… just like a teenage horror flick.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThat’s not a personal attack, it’s a sweeping generalization which I used to bate people.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI did try to go to a Mosque, they would not let me in.
Comment by stevieg7000
Were you frothing at the mouth at the time? Or maybe carrying a pig under each arm? hehehee
January 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmGerald Gibson Jr - I tried to attend, they would not let me in their Mosque. They had guards at the door and asked me to leave their property.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pmJuan - I did try to go to a Mosque, they would not let me in.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
One mosque doesn’t let you in and that defines all Muslims? Silly boy…
I have friends from Iraq who are Muslims. They are now US citizens, pay taxes and are architects in California.
They ignore the ‘kill infidels’ nonsense in their religion just as most Christians ignore the same demand of them.
What you are talking about is a radical extreme group of people. Not all Muslims.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmNancy read the polls please. 2/3rds of the public are against the WAR. Please stop this insanity. Bu$h is nuts and he doesn’t give a tinkers damn about those soldiers lives. He’s willing to send thousands more to die in his little war. The rest of us are sick and tired of this man and his war and his administration. Impeach this bastard if it takes that to stop the war wagon. Throw Bu$h and his gang under the wheels of his War machine. STOP the WAR NOW!! BRING HOME the TROOPS!!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmGerald Gibson Jr - no I decided not to bring your wife with me, she was too big to place under my arm.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWere you frothing at the mouth at the time? Or maybe carrying a pig under each arm? hehehee
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — January 7, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
He was also wearing shorts - women’s shorts… :D
January 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI did try to go to a Mosque, they would not let me in.
Comment by stevieg7000
You dont have to go in…you can wait outside.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI’m not a citizen of your country.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
you are right my fears are baseless because it was our government who took down the towers.
Comment by stevieg7000
Can’t even keep his lies straight.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmwell, folks, i’m off to a baby shower… another one for the collection…
January 7th, 2007 at 1:10 pmafter last night’s news of nukes and weapons, it hurt to even think about what kind of world this child will live in… but, can’t let it all take away from the joy and happiness of this new family…
later… !!!
#
That’s not a personal attack, it’s a sweeping generalization which I used to bate people.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
I was just bored and like to stir the pot because you folks are typically histrionic and easily agitated.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pm#97…We are not histrionic. Project much?
January 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmI don’t care enough about you to tell you the truth about anything. I’ve accomplished my goal. SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmsteveig7000,
BUSTED!!!
STFU & DD
January 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI was just bored and like to stir the pot because you folks are typically histrionic and easily agitated.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
When you folks are destroying our nation and killing people, we have every right to stand up to you.
And you never answered my question about what YOU are doing to make this world a better place.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:16 pm#99,
If your goal was to look massively stupid you did it!! You’re the best! The most stupid of all of the stupid!! Congratulations on that!!!!
Will you ge back later as MA or Exely or sEXXiON?
January 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThe majority of this blog was about what I wrote, not the initial post. I GUESS I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU. IGNORE ME BECAUSE I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANY OF THIS I’M JUST HAVING FUN PISSING YOU ALL OFF. DON’T BOTHER RESPONDING, I’M ALREADY GONE. BYE!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmlater… !!!
Comment by katy
See ya, katy. :)
January 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAll you’ve done is feed your ego about trying to fool people. We are willing to help someone who seems confused and when that person says they were only playing it’s not very funny. Either way, you are just saying that you’re a troll.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pmYeah their laying the ground, work floating those trial balloons and adjusting the news stories, telling us what it is we think. Next the polls to test the success of their labor. Simple minded people are easy to mold into the desired political opinion.
Yeah Juan you see it’s a big world and America is a big super power. We get involved from time to time in foreign affairs when they relate to issues that effect us or humanity in general.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pmSame could be said about the communist super powers who think their mission is to establish communism all over the world. That Dictator Chavez for instance. Like our Democrats and left media. They take the simple minded first they are really easy. Then they use force to take out people with opposing views. Those scumbags are the worst. Next they twist the simple minded into all sorts of anti-America conspiracies they know no better than to believe and the Anti-America party here in our country will not do anything to correct the spread of misinformation. They want nothing less than total defeat of their own country. We find these simpletons on forums spouting their Anti-American hatred all the time.
“I was just bored and like to stir the pot because you folks are typically histrionic and easily agitated.”
“Histrionic” is true I suppose of a lot of people here (myself included), but it is also true of your own posts. Perhaps there is a more constructive outlet for assuaging your boredom.
That said, many of us are “histrionic” because we are passionate about what is going on in this country and the world; you, on the other hand, are “histrionic” because you are bored. I leave the weighing of which is “better” up to you.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:19 pm“We get involved from time to time in foreign affairs when they relate to issues that effect us or humanity in general.”
It’s just semantics, then. This is not terrorism because you choose to use different words to describe it.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmDON’T BOTHER RESPONDING, I’M ALREADY GONE. BYE!
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Translation: “You all kicked my butt so badly, I have no response and am going to leave now so I can fool myself into thinking that I won”.
LOL
January 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmbut, can’t let it all take away from the joy and happiness of this new family…
later… !!!
Comment by katy
Have fun, katy!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:24 pmRobert, some of us lefties grew up in military families like mine (USMC). We lost men in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Thank you for adding your perspective here, and for the brave work you do. Please disregard the rank lies you hear broadcast 24/7 about us not honoring troops, for a more honest view of the debate.
We just wish you were really defending us, say in Afghanistan, rather than being forced by a very foolish man to assist Al Qaeda by breaking our military and treasury. This delusional assault has wounded our nation and Iraq so grievously, while letting our true enemy escape. Bush is the worst we’ve ever had, accerating the fall of the US from the lofty position it’s occupied since the (real) Axis was defeated.
If you’re curious, say hello to my cousin Jimmy, a conservative who began writing (admittedly bad but patriotic) poems in Vietnam, and eventually got around to the forbidden question. His postumous Bronze Star was earned 8 days before his 14 month tour ended. His experience caused me to look deeper into the cause of these things, beneath the foamy propaganda, and that’s what made me a progressive.
http://thewall-usa.com/literary/rice.htm
January 7th, 2007 at 1:24 pmSince the insurgency will make extracting oil very difficult, the oil companies will try slant-drilling from Kuwait. It would give them access, and they could by-pass paying the Iraqi government for it. KBR started this whole mess, remember, when they helped Kuwaitis gain access to the oil fields, and Saddam was assured we wouldn’t interfere if he invaded Kuwait in retaliation.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmUnbelievable-
Translation: “You all kicked my butt so badly, I have no response and am going to leave now so I can fool myself into thinking that I wonâ€.
You don’t even get it when I spell it out for You. WIN???? I did not realize this was a contest. What are the prizes? I’m just having fun with you. There is no winners or losers here, just a bunch of meaningless blather, including what I’ve posted.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:29 pmComment by RudyTahuti
Cool. Well said.
Welcome.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmWe get involved from time to time in foreign affairs when they relate to issues that effect us or humanity in general.
Comment by joeslogic
Try almost every year since the ending of US civil war.
That Dictator Chavez for instance.
Whenever he invades a country to install “communism” (the right word for Venezuela´s government is a national populism, communism is yet an experiment to be tried) I would condemn him like he should. The only country in this world invading another country right now for installing a government is the US.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThose scumbags are the worst.
Yeah, cuz it´s not like they are killing children, right?
There is no winners or losers here, just a bunch of meaningless blather, including what I’ve posted.
Comment by stevieg7000
Automatic loss for stevieg — ya’ll are never gone when you say you are.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:31 pmyou folks are typically histrionic and easily agitated.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Blog on dolts while the world is burning around you!!!!!!
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Pot. Kettle.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI’m making fun of ALL of you! I guess I needed to spell it out for you dolts!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:33 pmZooey - exactly!!!!!!!!!!!! So I don’t need to spell it out for you.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pmoh - before i go -
January 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pmmr. hamper, that was a most excellent, much needed belly laugh last night… thanks!
Zooey
What did I lose? This is not a contest! There are no prizes!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:35 pmI haven’t been reading TP comments all that long, but I’d rank stevieg as the dumbest, most hateful and frustrated troll yet to clog these threads.
Some commenters post facts, and some back them up with references. Some post opinions, we all have a right to those.
But what’s the deal with unprovable claims of personal wealth, paid vacations, etc? Save that for someone who’ll believe it!
Another troll (or the same troll under another name?) that haunted TP recently dwelt on making $7 million in the last year, or some such BS, but I have yet to see any progressive commenter make such claims of personal wealth as evidence of correctness of his/her views. This must be an extremist wingnut thing, but your possessions don’t make you right in my book.
Thanks to people who bailed him out of his troubles, our president is a multimillionaire…and he’s been wrong about damned near everything!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:35 pmThere is no winners or losers here, just a bunch of meaningless blather, including what I’ve posted.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
So you lied when you said you were leaving?
Liars have no credibility.
If you want a real dialog, then change your screen name and start over.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:35 pmThis is priceless! I tell you what I’m doing and you still post responses to my posts. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
January 7th, 2007 at 1:36 pm“There is no winners or losers here, just a bunch of meaningless blather, including what I’ve posted.”
Actually, you lost according to your own definitions of success. You see, no one here actually got angry with you: In fact, they used your silly arguments to illustrate why their views on Iraq made sense, so you just ended up justifying their own interests. As your primary goal was to distract and offend, you actually ended up doing completely the opposite: You made liberals feel good about themselves. What’s more, you were such a poor troll, you couldn’t last more than a few minutes before your story became both nonsensical and internally contradictive, and virtually no one believed it after more than a few posts… Google up some of the guides as to how to effectively troll online, as I suggest you sorely need to brush up on techniques: this was a really sad effort. And coming back when you said you were gone just shows you aren’t in control at all, which further ruins your ability to offend others. This trolling would only gets 2 out of 5 I’m afraid. Must try harder.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pm“I’m making fun of ALL of you! I guess I needed to spell it out for you dolts!”
No, Stevie: at this point you are merely repeating yourself. It’s difficult to believe that what you are doing now is any less boring for you than whatever you were doing before. I can only assume that you are easily amused, since I for one merely find your e-shouting faintly pathetic, and not amusing at all.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:40 pmI’m making fun of ALL of you! I guess I needed to spell it out for you dolts!
Comment by stevieg7000
Shorter Stevie:”I’m crushing your heads!”
Thanks, Katy. I’ve finally scrubbed the little brown spots off . . .
January 7th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWhat did I lose? This is not a contest! There are no prizes!
Comment by stevieg7000
Are we talking about the Iraq war or what?
January 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmUnbelievable-
Translation: “You all kicked my butt so badly, I have no response and am going to leave now so I can fool myself into thinking that I wonâ€.
You don’t even get it when I spell it out for You. WIN???? I did not realize this was a contest. What are the prizes? I’m just having fun with you. There is no winners or losers here, just a bunch of meaningless blather, including what I’ve posted.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
It only took 90 minutes to drive you off this site (although you won’t leave) and then you changed the goal from debate to wasting the time of those people here who care about the issues we face as we struggle through our daily lives. How DARE you WASTE MY TIME!
This makes you more useless than a troll or sick-puppet (sic). You don’t deserve to live in this country if you can be so flippant and an a$$wipe about issues that matter while our citizens die everyday to defend your right to WASTE TIME and “have fun” over issues that matter!!!!!
Pray for your soul and those who are dying for your right to be a useless pile of macaca sewage!!!
STFU & DD!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmJoe’s logic would appear to uncategorically state that if Joe is a citizen of the country that is doing the plundering, said plundering must therefore be A-OK.
Manifest destiny.
Some “logic”!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmAmerica’s Morning -
Thank you for being you!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI preduct that Madam Speaker will soon become Madam President. That’s my prognostication for 2007!
This is how it will occur: First Cheney will be subpoenaed to testify in his underling, Scoot, The Libbey’s case soon. Either he will refuse to testify as he’s stated publicly which will be grounds for his impeachment or he will testify and perjure himself (see handwritten notation in memo to Scooter regarding “going after” Joe Wilson, etc.) and lie about the presssure he put on Scooter or he will tell the truth because there is prima facie evidence supporting his charge to his underling to get Joe Wilson….Either way, Cheney’s “toast”. One down….either through impeachment or resignation.
Then comes the Big Kahona - with Cheney gone and the polls reflecting 30% overall or less (much, much less on his war polls), coupled with all of the ongoing investigations which will go up the chain of command to Bush himself (”The buck stops here!”)….and adios to Dubya via impeachment or forced resignation.
Enter Nancy Pelosi - to whom the Presidency would descend automatically. From what she’s already accomplished in her two days at the helm as Speaker along with her multitude of plans to “overhaul” this arm of the government and bring about accountability and investigations into criminal behavior, I’d suggest that Nancy would be one hellova president and could stand up to any male president we’ve ever had.
I say….Gooooooooo Nancy! The American people are backing you 100% and will stand behind you and support you. You’ve got what it takes to bring this administration to their knees and will do it with class, finesse, and aplomb….something we haven’t seen in Washington in a very, very long time.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAmerica’s Morning -
dixie blood sounds pretty angry to me.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pmZooey
What did I lose? This is not a contest! There are no prizes!
Comment by stevieg7000
You lost face, my dear — your dignity — your honor — your pride, if you will. You said you were gone, but you were lurking — because you really do want to “win.” What other reason is there for you to be here?
I dare you not to respond to this comment — and stay gone. I dare you!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI’m not a citizen of your country.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
you are right my fears are baseless because it was our government who took down the towers.
Comment by stevieg7000
Please explain. Are you an American, or not?
January 7th, 2007 at 1:48 pm[…] [cbsnews=http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/07/pelosi-iraq/] […]
January 7th, 2007 at 1:48 pmPoor Steevie and the rest of the crying rethugs out there - your “gig” is soooo over and you need to crawl back into your dens of iniquity and begin licking your wounds. It’s a shame that most who are deluded can never heal themselves nor see the light but oh….well….not our problemo any longer, is it? What’s worse are the sycophantic Republican robots who litter these threads with their drivel and detritus and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING noteworthy, credible or remotely intelligent to contribute…tsk.tsk.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pmGlenn Becker
sticks and stones might break my bones and names will never harm me.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pm#133,
Don’t worry about me. Pray for your own useless self!!!
January 7th, 2007 at 1:50 pmTrolls need to post their blather on their sycophantic blogs and realize that they have nothing credible to contribute on these blogs. Angry? You bet we who knew that this war was the single worst thing this country could have ever done? Absolutely, we’re angy! And we hold ill-informed, unenlightened drones like you responsible for destroying this country from within.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSheesh! I never thought I’d miss halbert…
January 7th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIt’s clear that SteeveG is lying about his citizen status and is nothing more than an infantile, illiterate sycophantic troll who has nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon then to pretend he has a real life and any semblance of intelligence. Don’t feed the trolls and they’ll realize that they have nothing to contribute except detritus and exit stage left.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pmveritas
Apparently I struck enough of a nerve in you to respond; doing so validates me. Only you are too stupid to understand such a simple concept. It what I post means nothing, is stupid, ignorant or otherwise, then no sane, competent person would even bother to respond. You defined yourselves not me and I do not care what your opinion is of me; it affects me not.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThat’s not a personal attack, it’s a sweeping generalization which I used to bate people.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Well, I must say that, when it comes to “bating” people, you skill is unsurpassed. Were the art and craft of “bating” people a guild, why, you would most certainly be a Master.
January 7th, 2007 at 1:57 pm[…] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/07/pelosi-iraq/ […]
January 7th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI was having so much fun, I lost track of time. I’ll leave you with this thought: maybe the hokey pokey is what it’s all about.
TTFN
January 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWatching Pelosi being sworn in serves to create more hatred for America and it’s collective way of life. The people who are trying to kill us DO NOT recognize women as equals and the terrorists view this as further signs of the collective weakness of the USA.
Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Hate women, Stevie? Are you suggesting that the U.S., for purely strategic reasons, should not have high-ranking female politicians lest it offend Islamic radicals? Isn’t that caving into the radicals and agreeing to live THEIR way of life? Let me guess, Stevie, you also favor torture. Just like them. You also favor governments spying on its citizens and locking them up without legal recourse. Just like them. Right, Stevie?
Get lost, freak. This country will be better off without bedwetting fascist wannabes like you.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pmChris Tucker
Thank you! I mean that. I’m not being goofy. It is a guild, it’s called being a lawyer.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:02 pm“Apparently I struck enough of a nerve in you to respond; doing so validates me. Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:54 pm”
So negative re-enforcement on a blog, validates you? So is that like when the US destroyed Hitler, it was just us *validating* him? What a fool and an idiot you are.
“Only you are too stupid to understand such a simple concept. Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:54 pm”
Validating someone involves the positive re-enforcement that they have in fact acted in a competent manner. Who’s stupid again? The idiot that thinks criticism is validation, or the one that gives that criticism? Stupid indeed you are paduan.
“It what I post means nothing, is stupid, ignorant or otherwise, then no sane, competent person would even bother to respond. Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:54 pm”
No sane, competent person would post incompetent stupid comments like yours. Pointing out someone is incompetent, isn’t validating them, it invalidates them. But someone as stupid as yourself wouldn’t know that. duuuuhhhhhh!!
“You defined yourselves not me and I do not care what your opinion is of me; it affects me not. Comment by stevieg7000 — January 7, 2007 @ 1:54 pm”
The person who makes stupid comments like yours, defines themselves. Those that are *kind* enough to point out what a fool you are, merely help you to see your own *definition*. But a stupid person is always too stupid, to understand such matters of the conscious mind.
You are a fool, and an idiot.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:07 pmChris Tucker
Thank you very much and I mean that, I’m not being goofy. There is actually a guild, it’s called being an attorney.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI’m wondering if the current phenomenon of a “Troll du Jour” is members of a bible school frat house. Part of some sidewalk psychotherapy exercise to help them release tension, sexual and testosteronal stess, and general feelings of guilt and bitternes for having supported and believed such bull.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pm