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By Nico Pitney on Jan 8th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

26.

Percentage of Americans who support the job President Bush is doing in Iraq, a record low, according to a Gallup/USA Today poll. “Bush will outline his ‘new way forward’ in Iraq on Wednesday to a nation that overwhelmingly opposes sending more U.S. troops and is increasingly skeptical that the war can be won.”



51 Responses to “26.”

  1. Zooey says:

    GWB is beginning to whittle away at his hardcore base. :-)


  2. Jay Randal says:

    Even the Democrats in the Congress are asleep at the switch, on Iraq, so 2007 looks like a bad year already!


  3. Bluedog49 says:

    Two days into a congressional term is a little early to pronounce anything about how the Democrats are doing. Why don’t you give them a month or so before you draw any conclusions.


  4. Erroll says:

    “New Way Forward”- it certainly has an Orwellian ring to it.


  5. Tau says:

    ‘You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people,’ he told the president. ‘You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You’ll own it all.’ –Colin Powell


  6. Phil says:

    “Stay the Course”- It certainly has a lot of emptiness to it.


  7. Zooey says:

    Tau,

    When did Powell say that?


  8. Tau says:

    25 million quagmires.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottery_Barn_rule
    According to Woodward, United States
    secretary of state Colin Powell cited this rule when warning President George W. Bush, in the summer of 2002, of the consequences of military action in Iraq. Colin Powell also admitted this directly on Jonathan Dimbleby’s “Dimbleby” program on April 30, 2006.

    ” ‘You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people,’ he told the president. ‘You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You’ll own it all.’ Privately, Powell and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it.” (page 150)


  9. Zooey says:

    Oh my god. I had not heard that quote before, and it was long before GWB went into Iraq. He just blew Powell off. Of course, Powell could have resigned in protest and sung like a littel birdie, but….


  10. AkaDad says:

    Isn’t taking impeachment off the table, like a District Attorney taking felonies, or other high crimes off the table?

    I hope Speaker Pelosi meant it’s off the table… for the first 100 hours.


  11. Tau says:

    Oh my god. I had not heard that quote before, and it was long before GWB went into Iraq. He just blew Powell off.

    Pretty much. So we own this quagmire. We cannot just pull out, that is the only reason I support some kind of plan to stop the violence, and if this doesn’t work, and the Iraqis put down their weapons, we will be stuck for years to come.


  12. Zooey says:

    I hope Speaker Pelosi meant it’s off the table… for the first 100 hours.
    Comment by AkaDad

    Wasn’t there a little something you volunteered to take on for the good of the country….? :-)


  13. Zooey says:

    Tau,

    I just want us out of there. I know it doesn’t make a lot of sense in the short or long term, but that’s how I feel. I’m tired of people dying for this thing.


  14. AkaDad says:

    Wasn’t there a little something you volunteered to take on for the good of the country….? :-)

    LOL

    I couldn’t pass the White House background check. =]


  15. Zooey says:

    I couldn’t pass the White House background check. =]
    Comment by AkaDad

    Oy. There’s a story…


  16. Jay Randal says:

    Post 3 Bluedog > Bush will announce his “Surge” for Iraq on Wednesday, so if the Democrats agree, then 2007 is a confirmed bad year and anti-war protests are going to start nationwide!


  17. jurassicpork says:

    Surge on over to my place for Assclowns of the Week #56: How the Middle East Was Won Edition.

    On the spit this week:

    George W. Bush (natch)
    Hal Turner
    Pat Robertson
    Nancy Boyda
    Mayor Rudy
    and much, much more (including the world’s most famous snuff film)!

    Yeehaw!


  18. AkaDad says:

    Oy. There’s a story…

    Ok, Karl Rove grabbed me before I got to Bush, and I don’t wanna talk about it anymore…


  19. Tau says:

    Tau,
    I just want us out of there. I know it doesn’t make a lot of sense in the short or long term, but that’s how I feel. I’m tired of people dying for this thing.
    Comment by Zooey

    I as well. But know of no solution. Israel and Iran are making war noises at this point.


  20. Zooey says:

    Ok, Karl Rove grabbed me before I got to Bush, and I don’t wanna talk about it anymore…
    Comment by AkaDad

    **shudder**

    I’ll send you a wire brush so you can scrub down. Ugh.


  21. Gregor Samsa says:

    From the USA Today article:

    •Nearly half of those surveyed say the United States can’t achieve its goals in Iraq regardless of how many troops it sends.
    •Eight in 10 say the war has gone worse than the Bush administration expected.
    •By 72%-25%, Americans say Bush doesn’t have a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq.

    I remember the old days when such saying those things would earn you the charming labels of “terrorist appeaser”, “America hater”, and the Bush cultists would accuse you of “emboldening the terrorists”, and “undermining the troops’ morale”.

    Now, not even those halfwits have the stomach to come here to defend the unqualified disaster the occupation has become. Only the terminally stupid are still defending the decision to invade Iraq -you know who I am talking about.

    If only people didn’t fall so easily prey to fear and hysteria, soo many lives would have been spared.


  22. Zooey says:

    I as well. But know of no solution. Israel and Iran are making war noises at this point.
    Comment by Tau

    That scares the shit out of me. I’m not ashamed to say it.

    I can’t do this anymore tonight. Goodnight, Tau.


  23. Tau says:

    I’ll send you a wire brush so you can scrub down. Ugh.

    And some methyl ethyl ketone!


  24. AkaDad says:

    I’ll send you a wire brush so you can scrub down. Ugh.

    I tried the wire brush, but I had to switch to a sandblaster.


  25. Jay Randal says:

    If I was Sen. John McCain’s son Jimmy, who was forced to join the Marines to save his Dad’s political reputation, I would slap the snot out of him! McCain is Dubya Dunce Decider Despot’s warmongering whore!


  26. Tau says:

    That scares the shit out of me. I’m not ashamed to say it.
    I can’t do this anymore tonight. Goodnight, Tau.
    Comment by Zooey

    GN Zooey


  27. Tau says:

    I tried the wire brush, but I had to switch to a sandblaster.

    Comment by AkaDad

    I have a die grinder with some 180 grit pads if you need it.


  28. AkaDad says:

    Thanks Tau, and if that don’t work then i’ll get a skin transplant.


  29. GSD says:

    Perhaps Bush could adopt the slogan made famous by Dan Quayle.

    “We’re going past to the back.”

    It’s one, two, three, what are we fighting for?

    -GSD


  30. VerbalKint says:

    Isn’t taking impeachment off the table, like a District Attorney taking felonies, or other high crimes off the table?
    I hope Speaker Pelosi meant it’s off the table… for the first 100 hours.
    Comment by AkaDad — January 8, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

    I think the best strategy, and the one that I hope Pelosi and Reid are following, is to downplay impeachment as much as possible. The Democrats need to open hearings, but initially keep these hearings narrowly defined to meet popular (or populist) interest. I think war profiteering and contract fraud would be a great place to start. The juicy dirt there must be deep indeed, so surely carefully managed hearings could stir up considerable outrage. Also have hearings on the administration’s repeated and intransigent failure to implement legitimate security measures recommended by the 9/11 commission. Then move to more politically sensitive hearings that focus directly on the adminstration’s use of intelligence, and domestic spying, at which point they should ratchet up the aggression and start talking impeachment. I think the facts will build an overwhelming case for impeachment, if their revelation is orchestrated carefully enough. There is likely to be a standoff when the Bush administration refuses to cooperate, but that can be managed against Bush at this stage of his sinking popularity. If he is digging in on subpoenas (and hopefully losing in court), and at the same time is digging in on escalation, his craziness should become more apparent to those who don’t already recognize that this sociopath is off the rails.


  31. wiley broccoli says:

    GWB (funny how we attribute everything to him and yet we all know he is just a puppet for Halliburton and World Bank etc.) does not care about the public opinion. He has no intentions of stopping this war. Everyone talks about exit strategy but the cold reality is there is no exit strategy. Why? Because the people in power are making money (and lots of it) from this conflict and that’s really the only thing they care about.

    If you take a minute to think about it in this light and have a sniff of whats going on in the world, the true strategy becomes obvious. Turn Iran – who never said they are making a nuclear weapon and, according to the IAEA are at best 6 years away from such a reality anyway – into a parriah and a bigger threat than they really are and then invade them. After that there will be so many “terrorists” in the world (all made in/by America) that Halliburton and the World Bank etc. can perpetuate their war on terror forever. Americans will live in fear, toothpaste may or may not be allowed on airplanes and Habeus Corpus will be nothing but a distant memory. God bless you all, the land of the strong and free.


  32. jimbo says:

    billions upon billions of dollars to make war lord happy
    at least the democrats are going to hopefully stop
    this insanity, not so with the former criminals that
    got booted out. anything to make republicans happy,
    it’s all about arm twisting & dracula or do nothing or
    anything.

    anyhow… the people bush serves says NO, but spoiled
    little junior just doesn’t care he has his heart set on his
    rich buddies and his war games


  33. Juan C says:

    26. Percentage of Americans who support the job President Bush is doing in Iraq

    which of course the government wont listen. Why? Cuz democracy is a fallacy and a lie. Democracy only exists to keep the interests of corporations in the safe haven of the ruling class. Democracy is a nice word but it is as useful as a chair with no legs when people is ignorant and is happy by making that “democratic exercise” every now and then. Democracy was invented by the Greeks but slaves werent considered as “people”, then it was stablished by french but they had starving people in their african colonies. We have democracy only to vote many versions of the upper class where the corporations and rich guys dont ever lose. Mexico is a democratic country but 60% lives in poverty, uhh, what a great deal, right? Argentina was plundered in 2001 by flying capitals, but we were a democracy nonetheless people were eating rats to survive. Go and tell with a straight face to the aztecs, mayans, toltecas, chichimecas, zapotecos, mapuches, araucanos, incas, and all american natives whose land was taken, their houses burned, their temples demolished, their feet shackled and forced to die inside mines, factories, railroads and their culture forgotten that they live in a democratic that DOESNT give a f*ck about them.

    And yes, Im in a bad mood.



  34. Whitey HermAphrodite says:

    Thank you Las Vegas Loony for that bumbling circle jerk of a self conclusory monolouge. Brainwashed? Why? Do you support bringing democracy in IRaq if they elect radical islamic leaders like Hamas?

    Do you support the democratically elected government in Palestine?

    Do you understand why the man we just dropped from a rope used to be our buddy, why we gave him weapons and WMD? Do you know what we trying to prevent? DEMOCRACY.

    And whats this about muslim invasion? Murderous muslim masses? hahahahaha. dude, its you who have been badly brainwashed my friend, by bloodstained war profiteers in perpetual need of an enemy, real or not.

    What are they going to do, come in all thier tanks and their planes and drop scientifically unsound “dirty bombs” on us? hahaha.

    Please, I want you to quote some statistics and you can tell me WHY
    I should fear a foreigner killing me more than I should being killed on the highway by some drunken redneck? Crunch the numbers douchebag, one of your fellow americans is exponentially more likely to end your life with a gun or a motor vehicle than a foreigner is.

    You idiots are taking a bunch of disorganized, dysfucntional, marginalized religious nuts and turning them into some sort of imaginary supervillians, just like your puppetteers tell you to.

    You realize one of your christian, american army bretheren, Timothy Mc Veigh, did almost as much damage and caused an amount of deaths which was only one decimal place less than 9-11. Now I want you to explain to my why a ex american army white boy xtian comitting 200 politically motivated murders (and who WASNT working alone) doesnt amount of “radical chrisitanity declaring war on the united states and requiring invokation of wartime powers”, but Abu and Mohammed comitting 3000 politically motivated murders amounts to “radical islam declaring war on the united states and requiring invokation of wartime powers”.

    Is the difference purely numbers, or something else? You dont think Mc Veigh had help? You dont think Mc Veigh has sympathizers? You don’t think those sympathers have organizations and militias?

    If Mc Veigh had been able to take out 3000 people, you think he woudlnt have? If one of his white Xtian nutball buddies kills 3000 americans in a similar event in the future, will you start screaming about how “radical christianity is threatening america”?

    No, you wont. Because your blessed leaders have played your xenophobia like a xylophone, your cheap flaghumping nationism like the banjo you play before the barndance at your family renuion, and you for total chumps.

    Your numbers are dwindling because people are waking up. The more information gets out, the less and less people like whose running the show. Its called “education” and “learning”, things you’re ilk is against, we know. We know more than we did 1000 years ago, just like we know more know about the idiots running the show than we did we they got elected. It takes the stupid longer to see the light than it does the bright.

    So Mr. Loony, you can sit here and make your dwindling numbers look like the last stand at the Alamo if you want, but I knew Davy Crockett. Your no Davy Crockett. Your just Davy Dumbsh1t. The only thing your baricading yourself against is reality and reason, and the only thing history will remember you for is the same unthinking mob mentality that led to things like the holocaust, slavery, and reality television.



  35. dixie blood says:

    Comment by VerbalKint — January 9, 2007 @ 1:20 am

    I agree with your comments and the strategy you’ve outlined. I would add that we send a shot across the bow of the administration and help free up some of the documents at the Justice Dept and Whitehouse that we need to investigate by immediately impeaching the Tiajuna Police Chief known as Alberto Gonzalez.

    If AG the AG is impeached then GW Botch can be forced to put a more acceptable AG in place or he can live with a practically powerless interim AG. Getting docs from these bastards will become just a little bit easier. So I say:

    IMPEACH ALBERTO GONZALEZ FIRST AND NOW!!


  36. wmd says:

    they want to halt progress in the name of protecting the environment.

    Liberals are anti climate science
    Liberals are anti stem cell research
    Liberals are anti liberty
    Liberals are communist fascits.


  37. jurassicpork says:

    Read what Nick Kristof has to say about the surge. Whoo-EE.


  38. klyde says:

    26% of the American people are delusional.


  39. Democrat Soldier says:

    Mr. Evans, if you’re so opposed to “Political Correctness”, then you should start using words that PC says not to use.

    Remember, PC started with “Oh, you find the word ‘nigger’ offensive? then what words should I use instead?”

    If you’re as anti-PC as you seem, then you should start using the word ‘nigger’ in your everyday speech.

    Just sayin’. . .


  40. Glenn Becker says:

    “they want to halt progress in the name of protecting the environment.”

    I shot coffee out my nose, slightly warming my environment, I laughed so hard at this.

    Please edit “progress” to “lining my wallet so I can buy more crap” and it will be more accurate.


  41. Glenn Becker says:

    “Western values are by no means secure. They are under ruthless attack by the academic elite on college campuses across America.”

    Well, that’s a heap of bullshit.


  42. s says:

    By the way……it is quite important to remember…..clearly and seriously…..that trolls here may not just be ordinary people. If you don’t think our government (given their manipulation, spying, contempt for Americans, and mind games) a plan to infiltrate these blogs and fight back, you’re being stupid. Especially after what happened in the Nov. election. Pardon me. But it is true. When someone states inane things like “liberals are communist fascists-wmd” and go on and on with in depth reasons Bush is great….something smells. Any…and I mean ANY…..reasonable person would be questioning Bush in at least A FEW ways Bush has been wrong. There are paid ( or enlisted in some way) people here, in my view, to create an illusion that there is a body of people for this president. I don’t think that is nuts….or at least very nuts..:)The illusion they are trying to establish…we need to penetrate.


  43. Bluestocking says:

    One more time…the Lame Duck Limbo!

    HOW LOW CAN HE GO?
    HOW LOW CAN HE GO?
    HOW LOW CAN HE GO?
    HOW LOW CAN HE GO?


  44. nanlichi says:

    It’s been said before but worth repeating, the 25% core of Bush supporters are impervious to truth or facts. They are the faith-based fools who don’t make decisions with any reason, but because they “believe” in Bush.

    They are a total waste of time and energy. And the idiots will always be with us, they are the Xian side of the Muslim extremist coin.

    Bush is a petulant child. Our country is his toy and he’s going to do with it what he wants. He doesn’t care that the only ones that agree with him are Barney, Laura and this pus-filled core of 25% support.

    Impeachment. It’s not just for blowjobs anymore.


  45. Happy Guy says:

    Here comes his replacement now -

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070109/D8MHP4E82.html

    You are all behind him right?


  46. Hector Garcia says:

    These 26% are just false self appointed christians, brainwashed faux-ers and oil company employees…
    And the best of their dialectical weapons is …ladies and gentlemen…”THE SURGE”.Surge of deaths, suppose….

    Their other non-dialectical weapons are quite simple and obvious: Seek and destroy “non american values”.

    Why am i forced to coexist with people like that?


  47. chimpeach says:

    #10 AkaDad

    Isn’t taking impeachment off the table, like a District Attorney taking felonies, or other high crimes off the table?

    I hope Speaker Pelosi meant it’s off the table… for the first 100 hours.

    Impeachment goes nowhere if there isn’t the political will in Congress to do it. That means that you need to have the “Blue Dog” Democrats on board and a good share of the Republicans, too. Otherwise, it’s nothing more than a symbolic gesture that has no chance of accomplishing anything. You can stomp your little feet and shake your little fist at those right-leaning Dems and Republicans, but it won’t change a thing. Here’s what has to happen: conduct the investigations, lift up the rocks and let all the little critters scamper out, and let the American public see what the administration has been doing the past six years and what the Republicans in Congress have allowed them to do. When it finally dawns on the good folks of Kansas and Nebraska, and all the other places where Democrats in Congress crap their pants at the thought of saying anything untowards about the president in public, that the White House has become the largest criminal enterprise in U.S. history, people will call and write their congressmen and start demanding impeachment. When the MSM finally starts reporting on a regular basis about the un-American activities of the Bush administration and its thinly veiled hatred for the Constitution, and when the impeachment poll numbers start looking like the presidential disapproval poll numbers do now, Congress will find the political will to do it.

    But, if it helps you to blow off steam to bitch about it every day that the impeachment hearings haven’t begun yet, then feel free to do so.


  48. bye bye GOP says:

    Plop goes the weasel!


  49. Upside00 says:

    Single digits anyone??? Taking odds now on when that happens, but it will depend on how disgruntled the Evangels get and if the NRA Boyz and Girlz continue to get bent by Dubya’s (anti) envirnomental plan that snuffs their hunting lands.



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