Kennedy Introduces Bill Requiring Congressional Approval For Iraq Escalation
Kennedy Introduces Bill Requiring Congressional Approval For Iraq Escalation
Today, Sen. Ted Kennedy will introduce the first legislation demanding accountability for President Bush’s Iraq policy. Kennedy’s bill will require the president to gain new congressional authority before escalating the war in Iraq. Below, a summary of the bill from Kennedy’s office:
The legislation requires the Congress to vote before the President escalates troop levels in Iraq.
The legislation claims the people’s right to a full voice in the President’s plan to send more troops into the Iraq civil war. It says that no funds can be spent to send additional troops to Iraq unless Congress approves the President’s proposed escalation of American forces.
The Iraq War Resolution of 2002 authorized a war against the regime of Saddam Hussein because he was believed to have weapons of mass destruction and an operational relationship with Al Qaeda, and was in defiance of U.N. Security Council Resolutions.
The mission of our armed forces today in Iraq no longer bears any resemblance to the mission authorized by Congress.
Iraq has descended into civil war and sectarian violence continues to escalate. …
President Bush should not be permitted to increase the number of United States troops in harm’s way in the civil war without a specific new authorization from Congress.
ThinkProgress has obtained a copy of the bill, which you can read HERE.
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What has this resolution got to do with Chappaquidick? Er, nothing. Ok trolls, carry on..
January 9th, 2007 at 11:09 amand what happens when Bush vetoes the bill?
What if Bush sends in the troops before the bill gets to his desk?
What if Bush sits on the bill, sends in the troops, then vetoes the bill?
What if Bush vetoes the bill, and sends in the troops before Congress overrides the vetoe?
What if Bush signs the bill, and issues a signing statement that he considers it to be advisory?
January 9th, 2007 at 11:14 amFinally a little accountability...Kennedy rocks.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:17 amThree outcomes possible:
1: The bill fails to pass (the most overwhelmingly probable outcome).
2: The bill passes, Chimpy vetoes it, bill fails to pass over veto.
3: The bill passes, Chimpy vetos it, bill passes over veto, Chimpy signs it into law, only to sneak back later and attach one of his famous 'signing statements', stating that as Commander-in-Chief, he can do whatever he wants 'in the interests of national security', Congress be damned.
In other words, whatever happens, nothing will change.
Folks, if a President thinks he can issue 'signing statements' that enable him to ignore the will of Congress, no law is going to rein him in. Impeachment is the only answer at this point...it is Congress' duty initiate impeachment proceedings...if they fail, they are every bit as guilty of violating their Oath of Office as Chimpy is.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:17 amWe know where Lieberman,and McCain stand on this one.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:22 amhmm but shouldn't he introduce a bill to end these blasted 'signing statements' first.
otherwise Cimpy can go along with everything but still say and do whatever the heck he wants
January 9th, 2007 at 11:23 amIt's a preemptive strike. Put this with Fiengold's request for Bush to explain his latest signing statement and accountability is placed in the forefront.
Sure not like the old days with the 109th blind as a bat, do as they like congress.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amot, but clearly the mouse is ratcheting up their hate campaign:
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January 9th, 2007 at 11:27 amA better bill would be to send Bush and his thugs to the Hague for crimes against humanity trials.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:30 amAs others have noted, in and of itself, this may not get Bush to do anything about ending the occupation of Iraq. However, it helps draw the line in the sand and apply a little more pressure. Anything to keep the issue on the front page, on the TV screens, and on the blogs helps propel the grassroots movement. It also may help set the stage for impeachment with more props.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:34 amLooks like Kennedy is trying to make himself look good. This bill will go no ware. I’m assuming he got the idea from a bar napkin.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:36 amKevin
No, maybe from bar "ware", though. Either way, I'll drink a toast to the idea.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amKevin, why do you hate American troops? Seriously, in your opinion, why is this not a good idea? Simply because it's Ted Kennedy?
January 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amEvery day Bush is in office the lives of Americans here and abroad are at risk. If for no other reason than his existing track record of utter incompetence, it's time to impeach for the political, moral, and constitutional reason of protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
If you're not for impeachment now, are you waiting for another 9/11, Katrina, or Iraq to change your mind? Unfortunately we will all suffer while the fence sitters collect ever more evidence of this man's total incompetance.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:46 amHere's part 1 of a comment I made earlier on Ablog:
In the tough neighborhood where I grew up in the sixties and seventies, there was a word, that some kids used, for kids who were always scared and never stood up for themselves: Punk.
I posted a comment here yesterday about how I have been trying (in my posts) to find ways to inspire people to work together to find real, lasting, solutions to some of the problems we are facing. But, that I am not very hopeful that enough people are standing up strongly against the surge plan. And that it looks like I will be joining the chorus of blame and start directing my comments toward the people, working for the government/ corporations/and main stream media, who have not enough to stop this madness.
So, I watched the second part of Hardball with Chris Matthews last night. I have watched enough Hardball in the past, to have a feel for the show.
Mr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans. I believe he is nothing more than an apologist for the failures of the administration. The democrats have been in control of the house and senate for what, four days? Yet Mr. Matthews is going out of his way to lay the ground work to place blame, on the democrats. At one point, he said something to effect of; are they all talk or will the democrats cut funding for the war. He made a big deal about the day off yesterday. He implied it was no different than what the republicans did. Mr. Matthews said it was because of the game, but I did not hear him say anything about the freshman members being in training yesterday.
Mr. Matthews, this is not a game.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amI'm all for Kennedy trying to look good if he's standing up and demanding accountability.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amIn the tough neighborhood where I grew up in the sixties and seventies, there was a word, that some kids used, for kids who were always scared and never stood up for themselves: Punk.
I posted a comment here yesterday about how I have been trying (in my posts) to find ways to inspire people to work together to find real, lasting, solutions to some of the problems we are facing. But, that I am not very hopeful that enough people are standing up strongly against the surge plan. And that it looks like I will be joining the chorus of blame and start directing my comments toward the people, working for the government/ corporations/and main stream media, who have not enough to stop this madness.
So, I watched the second part of Hardball with Chris Matthews last night. I have watched enough Hardball in the past, to have a feel for the show.
Mr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans. I believe he is nothing more than an apologist for the failures of the administration. The democrats have been in control of the house and senate for what, four days? Yet Mr. Matthews is going out of his way to lay the ground work to place blame, on the democrats. At one point, he said something to effect of; are they all talk or will the democrats cut funding for the war. He made a big deal about the day off yesterday. He implied it was no different than what the republicans did.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:50 am[...] STORY [...]
January 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amDING! DING! DING! We have a winnah! Step right up and take your prize: Accountability, or Checks and Balances -- your choice.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:59 am*
Here are three toll-free numbers you can use to call your own members of Congress right now, 800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803, and tell them NO ESCALATION.
Or you can get their direct dial numbers and fax numbers right down to the district level by clicking on "Lookup Phones" in the instant lookup form to the right. All new members of Congress have been fully updated.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:04 pmhttp://www.peaceteam.net/no_escalation.php
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Finally a little accountability…Kennedy rocks.
The only thing that Ted Kennedy does is drink Booze and get Drunk and KILL woman!!!!!
The President doesn't need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops... He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and Congress already PASSED a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThis isn't a challenge, btw. This is the expected response to the 30,000 troop challenge Bush threw out the minute he saw that he wouldn't get a free ride from Congress.
Bush will lose his challenge. Congress will pass Kennedy's bill easily, for one reason - it defends Congress' own authority, and self-aggrandisement is every politician's priority. It's a softball shot that the knee-jerk media will turn into a political homerun.
Then, Bush will have to decide on whether to whine like a little kid and stamp his feet hoping that his 23% popularity is louder that the rest of the increasingly pissed off country, or face increasing rounds of questioning from Congress who, after a long layoff, has rediscovered the word "why?"
Karl Rove isn't a genius, he's a freaking idiot. Every decision maker looks like a genius when they live in a vaccuum, and posing the troop increase was a dumbass move for someone who isn't getting a free ride anymore. The right political answer was the only option they had left - ignore the war detractors altogether. Ignorance had got them to where they were, they needed to stick to it.
Now that it's been proven possible to shake them, there'll be a whole lotta shakin' going on. This administration is over. Toast. Finis.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFolks, if a President thinks he can issue ’signing statements’ that enable him to ignore the will of Congress, no law is going to rein him in. Impeachment is the only answer at this point…it is Congress’ duty initiate impeachment proceedings…if they fail, they are every bit as guilty of violating their Oath of Office
Slick Willy was the only Elected President ever Impeached!!!!! He Lied under Oath and was Ordered to pay Paula Jones $850.000.00 and he lost his Law License. He only stayed in Office because Congress didn't have the BALLS to REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe proposal strikes me as good policy but there may be a catch. Even if it passes and somehow clears the veto hurdle - is it Constitional?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWow, did MA have (another?) sex change operation?
Hey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:19 pmA better bill would be to send Bush and his thugs to the Hague for crimes against humanity trials.
What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people. Bush is fighting AGAINST the Terrorists.... Again, we see how the Left Wing Liberal Communist have Selective Amnesia. There is NOT enough MONEY in this world for me to ever become a DEMONCRAT!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIf Bush vetos the bill, he is going against the will of the people. If he approves it with an added signing statement indicating he can send troops anyway, he is going against the will of the people.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHis reaction to this bill in addition to the reaction to Waxman's & Obey's requests for documents, and the results of the upcoming investigations are what will bring the criminals in this administration down.
I suggest rewatching "All the Presidents Men". Persistence and patience is required - we'll do it right this time to make sure these crooks don't resurrect themselves again.
Hey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
No kidding, Jane. Compare: the extensive powers over the military and its uses explicitly granted to Congress in Article I Section 8, or a vague, expansive interpretation of the phrase "commander-in-chief" in Article II. Which one takes Constitutional precedence is pretty damned clear.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI wonder where murderer Ted's other hand is in that picture. Wrapped around himself or a bottle. The fact that this pig is still in office makes me sick. He Democrats, before you go after the Republicans to clean house start with you own. The killed a long time ago.
Yes Terry, we are never going to forget.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGreg is the one with selective amnesia--what does Iraq have to do with 9/11, Greg?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGreg Nevins: "The President doesn’t need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops… He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and Congress already PASSED a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!! "
Easy, Greg, easy. The authorization was that Bush would go to war as a last resort after getting a second UN resolution. Bush was also supposed to come back every 60 days to provide more evidence of the threat the Hussein regime to our country. Bush hasn't lived up to his part of the authorization. In addition, the constitution clearly states that authorized war funding is good for 2 years. Greg, some of us believe the cowardly thing to do is to trash our constitution because we're afraid. You evidently are part of this freightened group of unfortunate Americans.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmGreg Nevins: "What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people."
Yes, Greg, what about those guys? Where is Osama bin laden, anyway? Last I heard, he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora when your dear leader pulled almost everyone away to attack Iraq.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pm"What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people."
They are dead.
"Bush is fighting AGAINST the Terrorists"
Bush is fighting no one. He is sending other people's kids to Iraq to kill or be killed by people who had nothing to do with 9/11.
How many Iraqis were involved in 9/11?
Answer: None.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmGreg Nivens: "He only stayed in Office because Congress didn’t have the BALLS to REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE!!!!!!! "
No, he stayed in office because there were not enough votes in the Senate to convict him. Senators were not convinced that lying about a personal affair was an impeachable offense. Greg, you need to calm down and enter the real world, where there are actually facts. You seem to be stuck in some kind of right-wing bullshit limbo.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmGreg: 15 Saudis, a couple of Egyptians and a couple of guys from United Emerites. NO IRAQIS! WTF are you talking about?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:33 pmCan we please get smarter trolls? Seriously ... the ones in this thread are simply comical.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe only thing that Bush does is drink Booze and get Drunk and KILL woman and children!!!!!
The "re-President" will need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops… He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces but the Neocon Congress GOOFED with a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you NEOCON CHICKENHAWKS!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007
January 9th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThis is great! Our dictatorial president must be resisted on this, whether or not Kennedy's bill has the desired effect.
But lost in the controversy over ~20,000 additional troops who haven't gone to Iraq is the fate of 140,000 troops already there. To these men and women we say, Keep on keepin' on...however long Bush wants you in Iraq, we'll see that he has the money to do it...all in the name of "providing the funds you need."
On Sunday morning, Speaker Pelosi trotted out the timeworn excuse for continued support of the US occupation of Iraq as follows: "Although the new Congress should not refuse to provide the funds that the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan need...†and “The American people and the Congress support those troops. We will not abandon them.â€
On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Reid said:
WASHINGTON - In a blunt challenge to President Bush, the leader of the Senate's new Democratic majority said Monday he will "look at everything" within his power to wind down the war in Iraq, short of cutting off funding for troops already deployed.
Until there is real opposition to the quagmire, these pledges of continued funding tell me that our new leadership is quite willing to "stay the course." If the proposed escalation is defeated, fine, but that leaves our involvement in Iraq right where it's been...Not good enough!
Dennis Kucinich said: "Each appropriations vote gives the President 'implied consent' to continue the war. So it is clear that this war is not only the President's. This war belongs to Congress as well, to Democrats and Republicans alike, in the House and in the Senate."
Giving the troops "the funds they need" is cover for maintaining the status quo.
US military involvement in Vietnam didn't end until Congress turned off the money tap. The result?...the troops were brought home, they weren't "abandoned."
Our new leadership's eagerness to promise "support for the troops" stinks of the fear of appearing "weak on defense"...the same fear that gave Bush the AUMF and every appropriation since then...a fear born of concern for political survival, not American interests.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf Democrats can't buck up now, fresh on the heels of a voter call for change, and 26% public backing for the president's conduct of the war, then when?
Bush doesn't have a choice. He can't veto it, because Congress decides who we wage war on. Check this phrase:
"with intent to violate the Constitution of the United States"
Recognize that (1868)?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:41 pm"Wow, did MA have (another?) sex change operation?"
Comment by JaneESchneider
******Jane, I can certainly see why Wayne thinks you're sooo humourous! When I see Ted "Breast Stroke" Kennedy begin making pronouncements over life and death, I get all warm and fuzzy inside.
DM, I don't see how Senator Swimmers' bill passes the Senate. And Las Vegas Louie reminds of the VETO power.....and I don't them over-riding a veto......Hmmmm....
January 9th, 2007 at 12:43 pm"Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins"
Say Greg, when are you and the rest of the heroic 101 Keyboardist heading down to the local recruting office?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmUh, Greg you are defending an Ivy League male cheerleader whose wife comitted vehicular homicide. Watch that glass house dude.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pmHi Greg please don't you forget to take your meditation, oopps,....MEDICATION.....
Matrix red pill recommended....the one that awakens persons from virtual reality.Red...resembling the color of the repugnican party....
The matrix says, Greggy, that 911 was an inside job.You agree?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe proposal strikes me as good policy but there may be a catch. Even if it passes and somehow clears the veto hurdle - is it Constitional?
Comment by pgl
An authorization of force is not a Declaration of War. The Presidents have only been getting away with killing people without a Declaration of War because Congress lets them. Bush has no leg to stand on. He cant say we are in War so he can do as he pleases. We are NOT in war. Until war is declared Congress can play this inbetween peace and war game either way they want.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhat's funnier than shit is that you, Greg, support a party that got it's ass KICKED by people that you consider unfit for office. Guess you can whine and cry as we put this country back on track despite the efforts of America haters like you to destroy this great nation.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmMA, it's so nice to be able to count on your objective views on proposed legislation. I'll ask you the same thing that I asked Kevin, which of course he never answered: Why do you hate our troops? Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops' lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE? Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago? Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it? Or is it "All Ted Kennedy, All the Time" with you?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHm, let's see if I got the math correct here:
There are currently about 140,000 troops in Iraq.
In addition, there are more than 100,000 contractors (not counting sub-contractors) in the country, according to the WaPo - many, if not most of them working not in reconstruction, but in security.
Bush wants to increase the troops by 20,000, which is therefore not 1/6, but more in the neighborhood of 1/8 of the current level.
If these 20,000 should be fighting troops, there would be at least 60,000 more required for admin. / support purposes for this contingent.
If not, most likely not more than 5,000 would be actually 'walking the beat' (= getting blown into bits and pieces).
And all this should help - how?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pmY'all need to lay off MA (My Ass) and Gregg ( Gregorama) they understand the need for good Americans to support this last ditch effort to save my ass..er, I mean our national honor. Y'all are going right out and enlisting in Our crusade..today...aren't you. You know baby Jesus loves you for Your sacrifice...Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or in my case the Air National Guard. I protected our homeland, so should you.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pmLet's face it folks!!!
THE MAJORITY of REPUBLICANS are COWARDS and most that yell that LIBERALS are COWARDS, usually come up with some LAME excuse about whay they can't or won't support THEIR commander in chief!
But isn't it a peach for them to go back several years and look for a plausible excuse??? Okay, CLINTON MAY NOT have been the best MORAL president, but hey that's for him and his wife to decide! American casualties as a result of his affair? Zero - Zip - Nada!!!
But, ole DUMBYA goes into a war without a plan and under false pretenses, and all of the reasons that have nothing to do with the MAJORITY of the trolls arguments...Then when they have no PLAUSIBLE answer, they attack success or the past??? Because of his IDIOTIC reasoning, we have lost 3,000+ soldiers!
Can someone help me with this strategy? And we wonder why this IDIOT (BUSH) thinks he can do the things he does!
But hey Greg! I put it to ANY REPUBLICAN on this board or any other BLOG! If you want to support the war, then I have friends who are waiting in Ft. Sill, OK or ANY local recruiting office!!! Or we can meet one-on-one for combat training and we can truly see where your heart is at! I LAID DOWN THE CHALLENGE before and I challenge you or ANY REPUBLICAN P***y that wants to prove their dedication by enduring ONE WEEK of BASIC training! Now, call my bluff! All I need is a week, and I'll have you yelling for your mama!
So, take my advice...keep your BS confined to a keyboard punk! Because guys like you, BUSH, CHENEY, BOENER, HASTERT, RUMSFELD, RICE, MA, etc. always hide behind REAL men and women who serve, and disgrace the deaths of those who didn't back down from a fight!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmaccountability MA, weren't you all for it? Here's a bill requesting it. You've posted earlier that your all for oversight and accountability and now you trash the first real effort for it.
Is this flip flopping or just blind partisan political sucide. No middle road. Are you for accountability or against it?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmthe reason I ask again Mighty, is because you change your words more than GW has changed the rationale to fight this conflict.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pmEvery day Bush is in office the lives of Americans here and abroad are at risk. If for no other reason than his existing track record of utter incompetence, it’s time to impeach for the political, moral, and constitutional reason of protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
The President can only be Impeached FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!!! The President is doing his job as Commander-in-Chief. Slick Willy was the ONLY ELECTED President to be IMPEACHED -- and don't forget it you Left Wing Liberal Idiot!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pmOK, Kennedy-haters, Ted Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic. We got that fact. Now, let's look at what he says. George W. Bush is also a reformed alcoholic. Let's not forget that fact. Now, let's look at what he says.
Whose position is morally responsible and Constitutionally sound?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pmMr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans.
Chris Matthews is a screaming Left Wing Liberal!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#47 - Jane asks:
"Why do you hate our troops?"
******I hate our enemies and want them dead. Not reformed, not reconstituted - dead. I want our troops, whom I respect more than you can conceive, to kill enemies when found and train Iraqis to take care of themselves - if that can be done. Their culture is a serious impediment to self-governance.
"Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops’ lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE?"
*******A predictable loaded question - I want more troops to secure the capital - hopefully there are enough Iraqi's who desire a better life for themselves and are willing to work for their freedom.
"Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago?"
*******This is your opinion - which I do not hold in high regard. I supported many aspects of the Clinton administration's efforts, but found them completely inept in dealing with North Korea and terrorists. "Pitiful" and "impotent" are the words that leap to mind when I consider WTC-I, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc. Why did you support their incompetency?
"Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it?"
*******I could care less who proposed such an aborted plan. If Chuck Hagel, former Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, or Olympia Snowe proposed such an incomplete plan I would be in opposition.
When I bring up Ted "Breast Stroke" it is only because this "man" does not have the moral compass to stay out of public. This foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE. And if he wants to put himself on display, he's fair game.
Tooodles...til later.......
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#54
See #40
Either way, it's over.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm* Waiter ! Waiter ! I will have another malt scotch straight up please
better make that a double . * Comment by Las Vegas Louie
*********TOOOOOOO funnny!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#50, Iraq Vet, Semper Fi man. Glad you're home. #53...please.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmSenators were not convinced that lying about a personal affair was an impeachable offense. Greg, you need to calm down and enter the real world, where there are actually facts. You seem to be stuck in some kind of right-wing bullshit limbo.
Please get your facts straight and stop using Smoke and Mirrors!!!! Clinton was IMPEACHED because HE LIED UNDER OATH in a Court Proceeding. That my friend is a CRIME punishable by JAIL TIME!!!! Perjury is a FELONY!!!! He lied in the Paula Jones Sexual Harrassment Lawsuit which had nothing to do with him ABUSING HIS POWER AS PRESIDENT and getting BJ's in the Oval Office from an intern named Monica Lewinsky.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE MAKING AN ASS OF YOURSELF!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDear Iraq-VET - Both the Aphrodite's are vets. My husband was a Marine and I was in the Navy - We appreciate your service and KNOW you appreciate our right to disagree with you.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmLike I said, a PUNK hiding behind a keyboard!
Okay, GREG! I know you are a p***y, and as for SLICK WILLY, YOU conveniently forgot that (Tricky Dick) NIXON was IMPEACHED and REMOVED from his position, along with AGNEW and many others!
So, be careful with your words, or try research! I know that one might be hard for ya! But, seeing as YOU support and IDIOT, I know that short yellow bus ride must have been traumatic for you!
I apologize for my oversight!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI seez a cornstytwoshunnal cryseas kummin...
January 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pmhellinabucket #51
I guess you aren't going to get an answer, even though an earlier AND a later post got responded to you. No real surprise.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:38 pmBush will lose his challenge. Congress will pass Kennedy’s bill easily, for one reason - it defends Congress’ own authority, and self-aggrandisement is every politician’s priority.
Congress WILL NOT PASS any Bill proposed by a Known Drunk and Murderer!!!! George Bush already has the Authority to send more troops to Iraq and he doesn't need the approval from Congress..... They already GAVE IT TO HIM MORONS!!!!!!
Now that it’s been proven possible to shake them, there’ll be a whole lotta shakin’ going on. This administration is over. Toast. Finis.
The only thing your going to see in Washington, D.C. is GRIDLOCK in Congress and VETOES by President Bush. The REPUBLICANS still RULE the White House!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:38 pmY'all think he can drink? Shoot man, what with all the coke I used to snort off of the tits of my favorite nigra prositutes I could go all night....But baby Jesus healed me....and Laura...and he's gonna heal Dick's lesbo daughter too, you'll see
January 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
Dear Jane, I am NOT in favor of tearing up any part of our Constitution. George Bush is upholding the U. S. Constitution just fine and doing a DAMN good job inspite of all you screaming Left Wing Liberals Nuts!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWhy did you support their incompetency?
Reagan was the most incompetent - until Bush came along. Unless you judge competency by the willingness to betray America and Americans to achieve a short-term goal. How "competent" was Bush senior, giving the go-ahead to Saddam to invade Kuwait, and setting into motion the events that culminated in today's civil war? Or the "competance" shown by the doddering Reagan. At least Carter tried to rescue the hostages - Reagan sold terrorists weapons to secure their release, and in so doing, revealed himself as a moral coward to the muslim world, willing to appease those who held Americans hostage, and in turn, spurring more hostage taking.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pm"My husband was a Marine and I was in the Navy..."
Comment by mighty aphrodite #62
CORRECTION:
"My husband was a Marine and I DID the Navy..."
...Revisionist history has NO place on this thread....
January 9th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWhere is Osama bin laden, anyway? Last I heard, he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora when your dear leader pulled almost everyone away to attack Iraq.
If we knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding.... he would be DEAD already IDIOT!!!!
Last I Heard Do you have a little mouse in your pocket or do you hear voices telling you this shit!!!! Go back and have another glass of KOOL AID SIR!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIraqVet
Actually, Nixon was not impeached. Although articles of impeachment were written, they were not acted upon because Nixon resigned first.
Greg Nevins
Impeachment is like a grand jury indictment. It says a trial can go forth. Clinton was not removed from office because the post-impeachment hearing did not have sufficient evidence to convince Senators to do so. As for Clinton being guilty of perjury, IMHO he was not because perjury involves more than lying under oath. The subject of that lie must be relevant to the issue of the trial. Clinton's consentual affair had nothing to do with the sexual harrassment charge. Further, it's questionable that he even lied because he responded using the definitions supplied by the prosecutor. And the end of the day, though, SO WHAT?? Bush's screwing our Constitution and getting our troops killed is massively more immoral.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmGeorge Bush is upholding the U. S. Constitution just fine and doing a DAMN good job inspite of all you screaming Left Wing Liberals Nuts!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins —
And when Hillary is elected in'08, you'll be fine with her having the same ability to open your mail? To listen in on your phone? We'll probably still be at war, so it will be in the national interest, right?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThen, if your neighbor dissappears at night into a black van, you won't bitch?
Ok, let's take the money that we are spending in Iraq and redirect it towards ending global hunger. That way the senate can get what they want, and according to the Borgen Project, we'll only spend $19 billion anually compared to the $300+ billion we have spent on this war thus far. It's time to support the Millennium Development goals which were agreed on by politicians globally- and one of those includes ending global poverty.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmGreg: 15 Saudis, a couple of Egyptians and a couple of guys from United Emerites. NO IRAQIS! WTF are you talking about?
I would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists..... Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDennis Kucinich said: “Each appropriations vote gives the President ‘implied consent’ to continue the war. So it is clear that this war is not only the President’s. This war belongs to Congress as well, to Democrats and Republicans alike, in the House and in the Senate.â€
The only Intelligent words that have come out of his mouth in the last 10 years!!!! Maybe he has given up the Alcohol.... Maybe Ted Kennedy could learn something about SOBRIETY!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThis foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
why do you say that? seriously, what is your reasoning?
nothing cutesy, just straight talk, please...
January 9th, 2007 at 1:59 pmBig gun battle on the streets of Baghdad this morning, lasting 12 hours. Reportedly 50 "insurgents" were killed and US and Iraqi troops were under fire.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWere the "insurgents" Sunni-Iraqis? Were the Iraqi troops with the US troops Shiite-Iraqis?
The govt tells us that Al Qaeda is inserted within the Sunnis -- do we believe them? How would one know a Sunni from a Shiite from an AlQaeda? Wasn't this a battle of civil war that we were engaged in? We have apparently taken sides in the civil war; we have joined the Shiites, against their fellow countrymen, and we have simply participated in trading off one group of domestic terrorists for another.
The puppet govt in Iraq is using Americans to help them beat back the Sunnis in this war of revenge.
Isn't it apparent to everyone now - even the chimp in the white house?
Yesterday the bodies of seven "insurgents" were hung from lampposts in Baghdad.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIf this isn't civil war what is?
PLC, never do really expect an honest answer from flighty far righty. Would love to hear from some of her fellow Naval Officers on what she was really like. I mean how well did she handle se(a)men.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pm#74 Katie your naivety is astounding. The reason we laugh at liberals is because they have these great images of Shangri-La but always forget that in the real world things don’t work that way.
End global hunger? Hmmm, how much money goes to North Korea where those people are starving? Oh that’s right. The mentally ill dictator will let his people starve so he can make a bigger army. How much money went to Iraq under Saddam for humanitarian reasons (UN, Oil for food)? Oh, that’s right, he needed a few more palaces.
This is the real world.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pmBush doesn’t have a choice. He can’t veto it, because Congress decides who we wage war on. Ch
President Bush DOES NOT need approval from Congress to send more troops to Iraq. The Congress already gave him the APPROVAL to Invade Iraq. He is Commander-in-Chief and he decides how many troops will be sent to fight the War in Iraq!!!! The rest of you Left Wing Bobble Heads should go take a course in Government or at least read the Constitution!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists….. Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!! Comment by Greg Nevins
Bush has not opened up his Liebrary yet. How about if he resigns and gets it open two years early and we can all take a road trip to read all his wonderful documentation about the occupation of Iraq. I'd really be interested because I did not know that "My Pet Goat" was part of a series of historical treatises.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists…..
They were in the Kurdish areas. Saddam didn't control that area.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmSay Greg, when are you and the rest of the heroic 101 Keyboardist heading down to the local recruting office?
Just as soon as you sign your sorry ass up to Fight in Iraq!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAnd Greg,
Really, we can't have amnesia for something that we didn't know happened, because it didn't happen. You must have Selective Logic you use to create Selective Reality.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThe matrix says, Greggy, that 911 was an inside job.You agree?
I won't even dignify this Ridiculous and Absurd Statement with a response. I suggest you see a psycharist for your PARANOIA ASAP!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:11 pmKatie your naivety is astounding.
Oh, Happy. Just buy her some flowers. This adolescent, pigtail-dunking-in-the inkwell stuff is more appropriately displayed on a men's room wall.
And you two-dimensional world-view must be painful on the nose. Do you use a cane?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pmAnd Greg,
If Congress has the power to GIVE authorization for military force, it has the power to TAKE AWAY that authorization.
The President is an official of the executive branch. He executes the will of the people through their representatives in Congress. When Congress declares war, the President executes the war as Commander In Chief. He is not a dictator who can dictate when and how the military is used.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pm#63 IraqVet – You sir are wrong. You say check your facts but you have none. Nixon was not impeached. He stepped down from office before any impeachment hearing could be brought. He did not want to drag the country though the mud like the Clinton’s like to do.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pmWhat’s funnier than shit is that you, Greg, support a party that got it’s ass KICKED by people that you consider unfit for office. Guess you can whine and cry as we put this country back on track despite the efforts of America haters like you to destroy this great nation.
The Republicans WON the White House and Congress in 2000 and 2004 my friend so I have no idea what your talking about.... neither do YOU!!!! The Democrats won the House and Senate ONLY because they ran candidates that believed in all of the IDEALS of the REPUBLICAN PARTY as Democrats!!!! So you see MORON, the American people want Republicans RUNNING this Country.... Have another glass of KOOL AID!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAnd all this should help - how?
Comment by jay walker — January 9, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
It is very clear to me that you FAILED MATH in High School!!!!! Go back to school and try to PASS a BASIC MATH class this time around and stay off the BOOZE!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmNevins, go read the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. The bill that is being put forth is stating the situation in Iraq now does not resemble the authorization. The largest focus in the Authorization are as follows:
Enforce UN Resolutions done
The whole WMD thing done, not found, verified not there, hasn't been for some time.
Remove Saddam I'm sure you've seen the video
The only thing ol GW has is Authorization to defend the national securtiy of the United states against the continuing threat posed by Iraq.
What threat does Iraq pose? Also within the Authorization are reports to congress every 60 days. The president is in violation of this. Also within the Authorization it's stated that nohting in the resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
The President does not have the power to continually use our military forces on an emergency basis without proving the need.
I know you don't like it but that's not in the resolution either. So bitch all you want, and cry in a manner that is seen all thru the RedStates. It doesn't change what binds the President thru the resolution.
Kennedy is wanting accountability. Why is that a bad thing?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmJust as soon as you sign your sorry ass up to Fight in Iraq!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins
We've been the ones telling little cowards like you that it was wrong from the start. But no, you thought you could act out your video-game fantasies - without having to actually risk your ass - by supporting this corrupt enterprise, and now you think you have a right to tell others to join? Your mom must be very ashamed of the job she did raising you.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThe Democrats won the House and Senate ONLY because they ran candidates that believed in all of the IDEALS of the REPUBLICAN PARTY as Democrats!!!! So you see MORON, the American people want Republicans RUNNING this Country…. Have another glass of KOOL AID!!!!!! Comment by Greg Nevins
I assure you that Sherrod Brown, Democrat from Ohio, is certainly NOT supportive of the ideals of the Republican Party. If Ohioans wanted that they could have kept Mike DeWine, one of Bush's big supporters....Talk about drinking the Kool-aid, you take yours by IV apparently.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:23 pmOK, Kennedy-haters, Ted Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic. We got that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says. George W. Bush is also a reformed alcoholic. Let’s not forget that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says.
Whose position is morally responsible and Constitutionally sound?
George W. Bush WINS that Hands Down... He is the Commander-in-Chief and making the Hard Decisions and trying to Protect this Country from the Islamists Terrorists that want to KILL US ALL!!!! You better wake up before they HIT THIS COUNTRY AGAIN!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmGet the Kennedy Bill up and see how they vote......
State Name Party Seniority Election
AK Ted Stevens R Sr 2008
January 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmAL Jefferson Sessions R Jr 2008
CO Wayne Allard R Sr 2008
GA C. Saxby Chambliss R Sr 2008
ID Larry Craig R Sr 2008
KS Pat Roberts R Jr 2008
KY Mitch McConnell R Sr 2008
ME Susan Collins R Jr 2008
MN Norm Coleman R Jr 2008
MS Thad Cochran R Sr 2008
NC Elizabeth Dole R Sr 2008
NE Charles Hagel R Sr 2008
NH John Sununu R Jr 2008
NM Pete Domenici R Sr 2008
OK James Inhofe R Sr 2008
OR Gordon Harold Smith R Jr 2008
SC Lindsey Graham R Sr 2008
TN Lamar Alexander R Jr 2008
TX John Cornyn R Jr 2008
VA John Warner R Sr 2008
WY Michael Enzi R Jr 2008
AR Mark Pryor D Jr 2008
DE Joseph Biden Jr. D Sr 2008
IA Tom Harkin D Jr 2008
IL Richard J. Durbin D Sr 2008
LA Mary Landrieu D Sr 2008
MA John Kerry D Jr 2008
MI Carl Levin D Sr 2008
MT Max Baucus D Sr 2008
NJ Frank Lautenberg D Jr 2008
RI John F. Reed D Sr 2008
SD Tim Johnson D Sr 2008
WV John Rockefeller, IV D Jr 2008
Whatever MA!
To support a blind IDIOT indicates that you would support the murders in HADITHA???
For ANY soldier who thinks that this war, battle, conflict can be won, then I say LET THEM FIGHT, and bring the rest home!
Otherwise, YOU are a SWIFTBOAT vet to tell me that ALL of our GENERALS are wrong and that DUMBYA is right!
But, YOU are correct! YOU do have the right to disagree! But foolish assumptions of grandeur because you had on a uniform does not make you a veteran, it only means you were there!
DUMBYA had on a uniform, but his COWARDICE showed his true colors! I think I am beginning to see yours as well!
SHOOT-MOVE-COMMUNICATE!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pm#91 Not just that Gregg. The Democrats had control of the House and Senate for more than 40 years. But after the embarrassment of the Clinton administration the country thought is was time to clean house. This should be done every once and a while anyway (whatever happen to term limits).
The last election was a wakeup reminder to the Republican to stop spending like Democrats. It won’t last long. The country is mostly red. Only the scum filled major cities are blue. After the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmHe did not want to drag the country though the mud like the Clinton’s like to do.
Comment by Happy Guy
Lucky Reagan: by being mentally incompetent, he was able to escape being the first republican to be impeached. Lawrence Walsh took pity on him, seeing his decrepit state, and thought he wouldn't be any good on the stand, since Reagan kept veering off from reality, and into memories of his days as an actor.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWe have the reformed alcoholic Kennedy and we have the "dry drunk" Bush. Which one went through a program and sought professional help; which one says he quit the bottle with no help and doesn't need any? Which one was involved in a tragic accident 40 years ago and used bad judgment in the follow up; which one has led this nation into war for personal gain based on lies and won't listen to anyone who may tell him his thinking is wrongheaded?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI stand corrected!!!
NIXON resigned!!!
But the reasons??? Hmmmmm...
Could it be that he was caught commiting a crime? Or was it that he needed to spend more time with his family!
He would have been impeached and removed! But, in my haste, I overlooked the fact that he WAS NOT impeached, but I stand by the removal from office, because that was the inevitable outcome that would have occurred had he decided to fight the charges!
Thanks to everyone who pointed that out!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou better wake up before they HIT THIS COUNTRY AGAIN!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007
Crawl back under your bed. I think it's dry now . . .
January 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmGreg Nevins: "I would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists….. Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!!"
My, my aren't we full of ourselves, Greg. You tell us, professor, when Hussein carried out the atrocities for which he was hung, who was his most powerful ally and who provided him with the chemical weapons necessary to carry out that atrocity?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmOkay, GREG! I know you are a p***y, and as for SLICK WILLY, YOU conveniently forgot that (Tricky Dick) NIXON was IMPEACHED and REMOVED from his position, along with AGNEW and many others!
So, be careful with your words, or try research! I know that one might be hard for ya! But, seeing as YOU support and IDIOT, I know that short yellow bus ride must have been traumatic for you!
Dear IraqVet, Once again your statemants are FALSE!!!!! Richard Nixon was NEVER IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE!!!! Spiro Agnew was NEVER IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE EITHER!!!! Both men RESIGNED from Office to save our Country any further Pain..... Slick Willy on the other hand REFUSED to resign from Office and put this Country through all of the Impeachment Proceedings... The Congress didn't have the BALLS to REMOVE that SCUM BAG CLINTON from office.
So I believe that it is YOU that needs to do some RESEARCH Before you make a DAMN FOOL of yourself!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt's laughable to see the trolls come out in force against Kennedy for legislation he proposes that is opposed to giving the boy-king whatever he wants simply because his name is Kennedy. (Obviously they can't criticize the proposal too strongly. ) They prefer to dwell on a tragic event of 40 years ago while closing their eyes to the on-going tragedy of today.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHappy Guy: "Only the scum filled major cities are blue. After the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion."
Happy Guy, you sound like you're rooting for the terrorists.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pmGN, let me get this straight. Your saying the Democrats won the last elections because they were better at being republicans than republicans were. OK got. But if they voted for democrats knowing they were democrats but were liking what they were hearing isn't that the same as voting for democrats? I'm sure your logic see's it so clearly.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pmSo I believe that it is YOU that needs to do some RESEARCH Before you make a DAMN FOOL of yourself!!!!!
But notice how Nevins completely forgets about Reagan supporting terrorists.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmHe stepped down? Now it is YOU who need to check your facts! Why is it that everyone (including CLINTON) says they did nothing wrong?
Remember this Happy Guy, "I am not a crook!" Nixon on national TV, pledging to fight the charges, etc. Oh, yeah, right that was to spare the people from dragging the country through the mud! Man, get a clue!
BUSH is an IDIOT and he has dragged us through the mud for 6 years and put us in a war he can't win!
DELAY is the BIGGEST CROOK on the block!
FOLEY is an admitted child molester!
NEY is going to jail!
CUNNINGHAM is just about there!
ABRAMOFF (Bush's Buddy) is singing like a bird!
and
CHENEY is shooting people in the face while lying and cursing senators!
Yeah, that's a definition of upstanding moral values for ya!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:38 pmBubble Boy Bush through his ineptitude helped Iran complete the Shia Crescent... which terrorist group do you think is a bigger threat to America and her security interests? Bin Laden's Al Qaeda or Iran's Shia Crescent? Better do your research.... before you answer.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI can't worry about Greg, because he's a punk! As I told him, REAL men admit their wrong and move on!
He still can't find a way to support his IDIOT in CHIEF!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAfter the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion.
Comment by Happy Guy — January 9, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
So, you're asking the terrorists to bomb cities that you think are occupied by progressives so that Republicans can take over the country. Hmmm. How very democratic of you.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists…..
They were in the Kurdish areas. Saddam didn’t control that area.
Dear Barfly, are you for real or are you just STUPID? Saddam Hussein Gased and KILLED Thousands of Kurds in the northern part of Iraq. Just proves that you Left Wing Liberals NUTS know nothing about HISTORY!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:43 pmSo, you’re asking the terrorists to bomb cities that you think are occupied by progressives so that Republicans can take over the country. Hmmm. How very democratic of you.
And they would greatly help make this a better Country. Do we really need places like San Francisco? Where SIN & EVIL are allowed to go on day after day... That City is another Sodom and Gomorah!!!! Republicans are the onlt Party that knows how to run the Government.....
January 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pmGN, let me get this straight. Your saying the Democrats won the last elections because they were better at being republicans than republicans were. OK got. But if they voted for democrats knowing they were democrats but were liking what they were hearing isn’t that the same as voting for democrats? I’m sure your logic see’s it so clearly.
The Democrats won control of the House and Senate in 2006 because they RAN "Blue Dog Democrats" --- Democrats that believe in Republican Ideals and NOT the far LEFT Agenda like most of your Left Wing Liberal Communits!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#57: #47 - Jane asks:“Why do you hate our troops?â€
******I hate our enemies and want them dead. Not reformed, not reconstituted - dead. I want our troops, whom I respect more than you can conceive, to kill enemies when found and train Iraqis to take care of themselves - if that can be done. Their culture is a serious impediment to self-governance.
First of all, MA, it’s obvious that you are not one who supports a “culture of lifeâ€, since you so adamantly want someone to die. Second, being married to a vet, I respect our troops more than you could imagine being able to. Third, the goal of the soldier is to remove the enemy’s ability to make war.. If you can do that without killing anyone, it is considered far superior. Besides, dead men tell no tales. Live prisoners can be questioned. (Without being tortured, I might add.) But it’s apparent now from this last sentence that you hate their culture and wants them dead for it. Is that the problem?
“Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops’ lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE?â€
*******A predictable loaded question - I want more troops to secure the capital - hopefully there are enough Iraqi’s who desire a better life for themselves and are willing to work for their freedom.
First of all, that's a big "hopefully" to risk more lives on, given the evidence to the contrary so far. Second, this escalation in forces (which is what it is) will not work, according to the vast majority of, well, everyone. The bad guys will do the same thing they did in all the other Iraqi cities, they’ll move out of Baghdad and wait for the heat to die down. They’ll return when the Americans leave, and since your glorious leader has no intentions of withdrawing troops from Iraq no matter how many die for his failed policy, this escalation will, in the end, amount to nothing more than murder.
“Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago?â€
*******This is your opinion - which I do not hold in high regard. I supported many aspects of the Clinton administration’s efforts, but found them completely inept in dealing with North Korea and terrorists. “Pitiful†and “impotent†are the words that leap to mind when I consider WTC-I, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc. Why did you support their incompetency?
It’s not just my opinion, it’s the opinion of a majority of the country (if the polls are to be believed.) The first WTC bombing happened mere weeks after Clinton took office. And the people who did it are sitting in jail now. What was so “pitiful†and “impotent†about that? The Republicans were not helpful when he wanted to respond to the African embassy bombings. And as for the USS Cole, Clinton has said that they did not get the official word that al Qaeda was responsible until just before he left office. He prepared a response to it and handed it off to the Bush administration who promptly ignored it. Until 9/11. Bush’s initial response to 9/11 was basically what the previous administration recommended be done in response to the Cole bombing.
“Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it?â€
*******I could care less who proposed such an aborted plan. If Chuck Hagel, former Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, or Olympia Snowe proposed such an incomplete plan I would be in opposition.
First, you didn't oppose Bush's invasion despite the fact that his 'plan' was so incomplete, it didn't exist! Second, why continue with all the personal attacks against Senator Kennedy? If your problem is with the content of the proposed legislation, then how does attacking the one who proposed it make your argument any stronger? If you have a problem with the bill, then attack the bill as if Sen Hagel introduced it. Then no one can (rightly) accuse you of having your opinion of the bill swayed by your intense hatred of Sen Kennedy. Otherwise, you simply have no credible beef with it.
When I bring up Ted “Breast Stroke†it is only because this “man†does not have the moral compass to stay out of public. This foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE. And if he wants to put himself on display, he’s fair game.
He is “on display†because the people of Massachusetts want him “on displayâ€. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t vote to send him back to Congress every six years. Both Bush and Cheney are even fouler “examples of characterâ€, yet you defend and support them vigorously. Sounds like you’re the one who needs her moral compass adjusted.
Tooodles…til later…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Noodles…’til the twelfth of never.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:49 pmI stand corrected!!!
NIXON resigned!!!
Thanks to everyone who pointed that out!
Comment by IraqVet
If only BushCo and the trolls could be so secure and humble as to admit mistakes.
You're a good man, IraqVet
January 9th, 2007 at 2:53 pmGreg, I suggest you go over to Pollingreport.com and see for yourself how Americans feel about issues. Even with your limited intelligence and grasp of the issues, you will see that most Americans agree with Democrats on almost every single issue.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:54 pmBut notice how Nevins completely forgets about Reagan supporting terrorists.
Ronald W. Reagan was the BEST President of the 20th Century!!!! He brought down the Berlin Wall, brought an end to the Evil Empire of the USSR, he built up our Military after Carter had cut Defense spending so much that he couldn't even rescue our Hostages in IRAN!!!! He gave this Country a TAX CUT that stimulated the economy and we are still feeling the effects of his tax cuts.... Georeg W. Bush is the Greatest President since Roanld W. Reagan!!!!!! Read it and WEEP -- you GOOD FOR NOTHING Left Wing Liberal Idiots!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:54 pmGreg, I asked you a question and your just being rude. Are you standing by your statement that the only reason the democrats were elected because they were better republicans than the republicans?
Here's another question that some on this posting find so hard to answer. Are you for or against accountability? If your'e against it than fine. If you are for this government to still be accountable to it's citizens then answer how can you support this president.
You too muddy retro duddy. I will ask you another question. Did you retire because you were just full of se(a)men or is there something more sinister behind the tooodles.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:55 pm[...] Read Bill [...]
January 9th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI understand that no one wants any blog to be an echo chamber (well, unless that blog is RedState, LGF, The Corner, where they seem to enjoy that kind of thing), but the likes of Greg Nevins don't add a single thing to the discussion.
The tolerance of the ThinkProgress mods really is astounding.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm116. Mr. Nevins, so the democrats were better at being republicans than the republicans. Blue Democrat is still a Democrat. What was the problem with the republicans? Oh yeah, you said they spent like democrats. Looks like they spent like republicans who ignored or abandoned their core beliefs. So the American public saw that and showed them to the door.
Thanks for clearing that up. Now onto accountability. remember the question?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pmGreg, I hate to break it to you, but the Reagan administration was responsible for the largest tax increase on working people in our nation's history. Since you are completely unaware of this fact, it tends to make me think you are a f*cking idiot.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:00 pmGreg Nevins, welcome to TP!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI am delighted to see you are having so much fun.
We really appreciate your insight and tumor.
Why do people here answer to Greg Nevins anyway?
January 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGreg, ok. You have made up your mind about everything and wrong in everything. Have a good life. Now, piss off.
BUSH is an IDIOT and he has dragged us through the mud for 6 years and put us in a war he can’t win!
DELAY is the BIGGEST CROOK on the block!
FOLEY is an admitted child molester!
NEY is going to jail!
CUNNINGHAM is just about there!
ABRAMOFF (Bush’s Buddy) is singing like a bird!
and
CHENEY is shooting people in the face while lying and cursing senators!
If Bush is an Idiot --- what does that make of the American people? They Elected him to Office in 2000 and 2004!!!!
DELAY has never been CONVICTED of any Crime... SLANDER on your part!!!
FOLEY never admitted that he Molested any children... SLANDER on your part again!!!!
NEY is NOT going to JAIL --- More Hallucinating on your part!!!
CUNNINGHAM is NOT GOING TO JAIL -- Slander on your part once again!!!
ABRAMOFF is NOT signing like a BIRD --- More wishful thinkg on your part!!!!
and
I wish you would do Duck Hunting with Dick Cheney so he can put YOU OUT OF YOUR MISERY!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGreg, I asked you a question and your just being rude. Are you standing by your statement that the only reason the democrats were elected because they were better republicans than the republicans?
The only reason the Democrats WON control of the House and Senate is because they RAN Candidates that were more Republican than LIBERAL DEMOCRATS..... They finally learned that they can't keep running Left Wing Liberal WACKOS anymore if they expect to win... They are called "BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS". They are much more aligned to the Republican Party Agenda than the Left Wing Democratic Agenda.... GOT IT NOW?????
January 9th, 2007 at 3:06 pmIf Bush is an Idiot — what does that make of the American people? They Elected him to Office in 2000 and 2004!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
It makes the Republican 49%ers idiots, too.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWhy do people here answer to Greg Nevins anyway?
Greg, ok. You have made up your mind about everything and wrong in everything. Have a good life. Now, piss off.
This is typical of the Left Wing Liberal Communists to try and SHUT UP anyone that disagrees with them... This is NOT COMMUNIST CHINA.... this is America were FREE SPEECH is allowed and encouraged!!!!!!!
Now have another glass of KOOL AID......
January 9th, 2007 at 3:08 pmNow have another glass of KOOL AID……
Comment by Greg Nevins
We can't. You drank it all.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmIt makes the Republican 49%ers idiots, too
No Jane, It makes you and evryone else who voted for that Pathetic Al Gore and John Kerry a BIG A LOSER as BOTH of them where!!!!
I so hope that the Democrats nominate Hillary (THE BITCH) Clinton so the Republicans can beat your assess again in 2008!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists.
Comment by Greg Nevins
The only library that this misinformation will be in hasn't been built yet. The GW Bush Presidential Library.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmGreg, Greg, Greg, You fight over semantics here. Is Bush an idiot or just a deciever. Why quibble. Is DeLay a Crook or not just because he hasn't been sent to prison it's not for me to decide, I wasn't selected to be on the jury to try him for the crimes he has been charged with. Sure he's got a fighting chance. So did Saddam.
Foley, don't you think you should just close the closet on that whole sorrid event.
Ney hasn't gone to jail? You sure about that?
Cunningham? I bet someone's going to show you his inmate number soon.
Abramoff has a set of lungs and is singing better than Ashcroft.
I'd like to go hunting with Dead Eye Dick also but are you advocating a premeditated murder. Greg, that's much more serious than slander.
Now about that accountability issue. Should we have it or not?
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmThey are called “BLUE DOG DEMOCRATSâ€. They are much more aligned to the Republican Party Agenda than the Left Wing Democratic Agenda…. GOT IT NOW?????
Comment by Greg Nevins
Yeah I just heard on e of hte Blue Dogs interviewed on NPR this morning. He is for gay marriage, pro-choice and wants an end to the war. That doesn't sound like the REpub platform to me. Oh yeah he also wanted to have a balanced budget. That's something the Repubs gave up a long time ago. Repubs have no calim to that anymore.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:14 pmGreg
Bob Ney was my representative and he agreed to 27 months jail time. And, in case you're interested in a little truth, our Republican district replaced Ney with a Democrat when they could have voted in another Republican.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThis is NOT COMMUNIST CHINA…. this is America were FREE SPEECH is allowed and encouraged!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by Greg Nevins
Tell that to Gitmo "unlawful combatants"
Greg, you really should see someone other than that faith healer about your tumor.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:23 pmEnjoyed looking for this myself:
Former U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham is now Inmate 94405-198.
And you are correct g. nev, Ney's not in prison, yet. They haven't determined his full sentence. He is guilty and that's not an opinion. That's one of those fact thingys that keep getting thrown in your face, but just like a deer in headlights you don't see the oncoming car that runs your ass over.
Now seriously greg, don't go off on some other vengful rant on how bad the evil democrats are just answer the question.
Are you for this administration being held accountable to the american people or not? It's really a simple question. even the se(a)men filled mucky so yucky has said she's for accountability in between swallows of course. Now it's your turn. Be a man.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:25 pmGreg Nevins is just a smelly turd, let him float away.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:32 pmagain... i even used the magic word:
This foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
why do you say that? seriously, what is your reasoning?
nothing cutesy, just straight talk, please…
Comment by katy — January 9, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
January 9th, 2007 at 3:35 pmIs anyone else having trouble posting? (Newbie here)
:(
January 9th, 2007 at 3:38 pmDear Barfly, are you for real or are you just STUPID? Saddam Hussein Gased and KILLED Thousands of Kurds in the northern part of Iraq. Just proves that you Left Wing Liberals NUTS know nothing about HISTORY!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins
The fact remains that Saddam didn't control those areas when al-Queda was there. You really should learn history. Or quit lying about it.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pmHey MA,
Teddy got a new car and a new bathing suit. He wants to know if you want to go for a ride with him.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pmGreg, dude, I want whatever it is that you are smoking man! No shit, you gotta be real high to believe in any of the shit you are saying, real high...It sounds like you have the perfect combination of Meth, LSD, Exstasy and Hydro Weed! Don't worry dude, the war on drugs is a failure to no one's paying attention...hook me up.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:46 pmbuilt up our Military after Carter had cut Defense spending so much that he couldn’t even rescue our Hostages in IRAN!!!!
So Reagan sold them weapons. That's cowardice, that's Reagan!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:47 pmIsn't it interesting that when faced with a question that is current and would actually hold them to today's issues instead of insults and long ago history that they dissappear.
Is it they themselves that have an issue with accountability?
January 9th, 2007 at 3:50 pmkaty- - I apologize! Have I stuttered??? Ted "Breast Stroke" Kennedy, managed to get himself out of a submerged car, get to shore, walk back to his hotel, contact his cousin, spin his alibi - viola! - all this BEFORE alerting police or divers that Mary Jo Kopechne was under water - - dead! So if you want to trot out a sweet Prog to oppose the war, bring out the the honest little Martian, Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with him completely, but not for a moment do I think he is void of good character as I think Senator Swimmer has demonstrated - on more than one occasion. Ted Kennedy telling anyone, anywhere the RIGHT thing to do, is a bit like Vito Corleone telling the Mob not to commit crime.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWe can’t. You drank it all.
Sorry, Mr. Schneider I NEVER drink KOOL AID... that is only for Left Wing Liberal Bobble Heads and Secular Progressives like youreself!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:55 pm"Teddy got a new car and a new bathing suit. He wants to know if you want to go for a ride with him." Comment by ForTruth
******Picture that beached whale in swim trunks - although I suppose a Speedo would be worse. I'm a better driver and swimmer than Teddy and a better shot than Cheney - so I'll have to pass on the invite.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:56 pmJust keep throwing bills at them. Keep up the pressure. Preseverance will prevail.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThe democrats have got to take a lesson from the republicans on the issue of "unity". They will not accomplish anything unless they stick together.
The Iraq issue is the one issue that will make or break the party and the country.
It's time to unite in opposition to the chimp-in-chief.
mighty aphrodite
Why would a wingnut name herself after a character in a story written by a liberal? Sounds like someone's mighty self-loathing.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:57 pmMemo to Sen. Kennedy:
Your brothers tried to end US involvement in another war. You may want to avoid Dallas and hotel kitchens for a while.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIs anyone else having trouble posting? (Newbie here) :(
Comment by tigonfr — January 9, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
newbie - hope your are a patient one... it takes a few minutes for your comment to show up... click the POST button once, maybe go to another page/thread, kill some time, refresh the page, your comment should be posted in due time...
i'm only being a little bit facetious here... TP has been having problems for months... don't get discouraged... uh, unless you're a troll ... have plenty enough of them already, thanks...
January 9th, 2007 at 3:58 pm#143, tigonfr, welcome! You have to wait a minute or two before your posts appear, sometimes more, sometimes less, we never know. Don't despair, they usually show up eventually.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:58 pmHe is for gay marriage, pro-choice and wants an end to the war. That doesn’t sound like the Repub platform to me.
Your are mistaken if you heard some guy for gay marriage, pro-choice, and wants an end to the war..... That was NOT a Blue Dog Democrat... That was your typical Left Wing Liberal Hollweird Values Numb Nut in the Democratic Party!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:59 pmThe only library that this misinformation will be in hasn’t been built yet.
Wrong again sir, It has been built in Little Rock, Arkansas... They call it the William Jefferson (SLICK WILLY) Clinton Library.......
January 9th, 2007 at 4:01 pmMemo to Sen. Kennedy:
You may want to avoid Dallas and hotel kitchens for a while.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart
'Cause that nutcase Jeffrey Stewart is off his meds again . . .
January 9th, 2007 at 4:02 pmMemo to Sen. Kennedy:
Your brothers tried to end US involvement in another war. You may want to avoid Dallas and hotel kitchens for a while.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart — January 9, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
P.S. Also avoid MA in, what, San Diego? She might have a harpoon!
Mighty, thanks for bringing up the image of Ted in a speedo, yuch! (Hey, just because I defend the right of his constituents to continue re-electing him, doesn't mean that he doesn't disgust me physically!!)
January 9th, 2007 at 4:03 pmMr. Nevins,
Calling me names will never persuade me that you are right. And, like it or not, the United Sates of America is a secular progressive nation. Sorry if you and your hero, Bill O'Reilly, don't like that fact.
They call it the William Jefferson (SLICK WILLY) Clinton Library
Oh, yeah, that's the library about which your beloved President Bush actually said, "A submarine could take this place out." And only desperate, unoriginal losers keep using that "Slick Willy" appellation. You don't want to be thought of as a desperate, unoriginal loser, do you? Again, it makes it difficult for anyone to take you seriously if all you can do is call people names.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWhy do I get the feeling that the reason Nevins is so torqued about Kennedy is that Kennedy did his mom back in the day?
January 9th, 2007 at 4:05 pmYou may want to avoid Dallas and hotel kitchens for a while.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart
Cause that nutcase Jeffrey Stewart is off his meds again . . .
No because that Idiot Barfly might mistake him as DICK CHENEY or SLICK WILLY!!!!! Have another drink MORON!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:06 pmAnd, like it or not, the United Sates of America is a secular progressive nation. Sorry if you and your hero, Bill O’Reilly, don’t like that fact.
WRONG, once again Sir!!! I believe that the Republicans WON the White House and the Senate in 2000 and 2004!!!! This is a Conservative, Christian Nation and the SP's are in the MINORITY --- where they should be!!!! Just wait till 2008, when The Republicans WIN the White House AGAIN!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Bill O'Reilly is smarter than ALL of your SP's put together.....
January 9th, 2007 at 4:09 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
apology accepted... i just wondered if THAT- a 40 year old accident - was the only reason you could give for such hate and venim...
seems odd, for someone so attached to the "compasionate" party...
so that's all... huh... the man's history should give him plenty of excuses to have been a real loser, but he keeps on winning and helping the people he and his family have devoted their whole lives to...
we should all learn our lessons and earn forgiveness with such tact.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pm...
Why do I get the feeling that the reason Nevins is so torqued about Kennedy is that Kennedy did his mom back in the day?
My Mother is a Good Republican..... You ASS HOLE!!!!! She would never associate herself with TRASH -- ALL of you Left Wing Secular Progressive DEMONCRATS!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmthe man’s history should give him plenty of excuses to have been a real loser, but he keeps on winning and helping the people he and his family have devoted their whole lives to…
TED KENNEDY IS A DRUNKARD AND A MURDERER AND HE GOT OFF BECAUSE HIS DADDY MADE A FORTUNE SELLING BOOZE DURING PROHIBITION!!!!
THE SINS OF THE FATHER ARE THE SINS INHERITED BY THE SONS.....
January 9th, 2007 at 4:14 pmGreg Nevins
OK, just for fun - provide me one piece of evidence that the U.S. was established as a Christian nation, not just a nation with a lot of Christians in it, which is a big difference.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThey call it the William Jefferson (SLICK WILLY) Clinton Library
Dear Mr. Schneider, I call a SPADE a SPADE!!!! If you don't like that Scum Bag Bill Clinton being called Slick Willy---- tough shit!!!!!
Go drink another gallon of KOOL AID and GET OUT OF MY FACE!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pmback on topic --
January 9th, 2007 at 4:17 pmAP is reporting that the first group of additional troops are already going to Iraq before the end of January. So if the Dems want to de-fund any additional troops, Bush will already have them on the ground before any legislation hits his desk.
My hatred for the despicable punk in the white house grows exponentially with every day that passes.
OK, just for fun - provide me one piece of evidence that the U.S. was established as a Christian nation, not just a nation with a lot of Christians in it, which is a big difference.
Go to the Library and read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, one of the Founding Fathers of this Great Country we call America.... It would be a much better Country without Left Wing Liberal JERKS like you!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI am reading a biography of Benjamin Franklin and there is much in there about the fact that our founders were not religious - they were against organized religion - they were deists, who believed that God may indeed be nature itself.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:19 pmKaty - Ted Kennedy's entire life has been one debacle after another. As for the leeches in Massachusetts who keep re-electing him - ask yourself this question: How hard is it to vote goodies for yourself from the public trough? (The same reason defense contractors love Repubs.) How about having government give it's "blessing" to everything outside of societies norms - especially when you're the one who's over the boundary?? Ted is a hedonist and is appreciated and voted for by hedonists....
January 9th, 2007 at 4:20 pmAP is reporting that the first group of additional troops are already going to Iraq before the end of January. So if the Dems want to de-fund any additional troops, Bush will already have them on the ground before any legislation hits his desk.
God Bless our Great President Bush and God Bless America!!!!!! I Love this President and I will continue to send lots os MONEY to the Republican Presidential Task Force of which I am a Loyal member!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pmShe would never associate herself with TRASH — ALL of you Left Wing Secular Progressive DEMONCRATS!!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins
If true, then she must be very ashamed of you, associating yourself (freely and of your own volition) with Secular Progressives. So how about not disappointing your mother any more and go post all that nonsense on Redstate.org, where the truth can get you banned.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pmGaeezzzussszz Greg -You are making this too easy...
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
January 9th, 2007 at 4:26 pmGod Bless our Great President Bush and God Bless America!!!!!! I Love this President and I will continue to send lots os MONEY to the Republican Presidential Task Force of which I am a Loyal member!!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
"What an eccentric performance!" Monty Python and the Holy Grail
January 9th, 2007 at 4:26 pmWhere the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
January 9th, 2007 at 4:26 pmChristianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
January 9th, 2007 at 4:27 pm151. You talking about that former speaker of the house. Denny have to grease my sides Hastert?
January 9th, 2007 at 4:27 pmGreg, does Mark Foley know you love him so much? Hows about Ted Haggard? Good Christians and from what I hear good upstanding Republicans. I am pleased that you count them as soldiers in your army.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:28 pmGreg Nevins
I've got a website to quotes from Jefferson listed as one of my favorites. You don't want to go suggesting that Jefferson, who was accused by his contemporaries as being an anti-Christian heretic, thought the U.S. is a Christian nation.
You are so full of arrogant ignorance (a dangerous combination) that I am no longer going to respond to your posts.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI hear ya Las Vegas Louie, a sand niggers a sand nigger. I'm just sorry we can't exterminate all these sumbitches. God bless Our President.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:34 pmOne last parting shot across the unibrow.
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. "
January 9th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThomas Jefferson
" BECAUSE HIS DADDY MADE A FORTUNE SELLING BOOZE DURING PROHIBITION!!!!"
What about George Bush's grandfather making a fortune with Hitler during WWII? Or did you hear about that?
January 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pmOne more parting shot for Greg Nevin and the Clark County Coward.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:41 pmTruck You Folls.
THE SINS OF THE FATHER ARE THE SINS INHERITED BY THE SONS…..
Comment by Greg Nevins
Are we talking about how Prescott Bush associated himself with the Nazi regime then Bush41 started an oil company with the assistance of the CIA and now GW rose to power as a boy king. I guess if the sins of you father adds up on generations no wonder GW is such an evil bastard.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWhat about George Bush’s grandfather making a fortune with Hitler during WWII? Or did you hear about that?
Comment by JudyLou
I brought this one up to the GOper mother in law, her response was "everybody was in business with Hitler at the time, they didn't know he was bad" I just shut up at that point, no use in trying to continue.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:42 pmOk, so back to the nature of the crimes. Papa Kennedy ran moonshine. Papa Bush was in business with Hitler and had to be forced to stop. Who would you rather hang with? Clinton got a BJ, Bush lied, hundreds of thousands died, again, who would you rather hang with?
January 9th, 2007 at 4:44 pmWhat about George Bush’s grandfather making a fortune with Hitler during WWII? Or did you hear about that?
I hope George Bush sends the Secret Service to your house and ARRESTS you for Spreading Scandalous LIES about George Bush's grandfather. You are ONE UGLY BITCH MADAM!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:46 pmDon't leave Greg, this is fun. RU beat me to a quote but real easy to find another Jefferson quote that sheds light.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Ok, so back to the nature of the crimes. Papa Kennedy ran moonshine. Papa Bush was in business with Hitler and had to be forced to stop. Who would you rather hang with? Clinton got a BJ, Bush lied, hundreds of thousands died, again, who would you rather hang with?
This is such an easy question answer!!!!! GEORGE W. BUSH anyday of the week....... Clinton was a Scum Bag and WE IMPEACHED HIS ASS!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 4:47 pmClinton got a BJ, Bush lied, hundreds of thousands died, again, who would you rather hang with?
Comment by ForTruth
But...but...Bush seems like someone I could have a beer and clear shrub with. I mean what would you do with Clinton....do the NYT crossword in under 15 minutes. I mean what kind of president would that make you.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#
I am reading a biography of Benjamin Franklin and there is much in there about the fact that our founders were not religious - they were against organized religion - they were deists, who believed that God may indeed be nature itself.
Comment by Marie — January 9, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Marie, perhaps because they were all free-masons.
January 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pm#192, Isn't it so very convenient for some to make excuses for war profiteering?
January 9th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIgnorance is bliss.
What about George Bush’s grandfather making a fortune with Hitler during WWII? Or did you hear about that?
Comment by JudyLou
I hope George Bush sends the Secret Service to your house and ARRESTS you for Spreading Scandalous LIES about George Bush’s grandfather...
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
i'm guessing this was a revelation for this one, judy...
hoo weeee! THE most ignert trolls ever...
really - it's a brick wall... let's stop trying to educate it...
January 9th, 2007 at 4:55 pmkaty & JudyLou
January 9th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSometimes I have to wonder if Greggy isn't Judd's 6th grade nephew he's paying 7.60 an hour to post drivel. Just to keep us on our corns, er, uh, toes.
Not only were our founders profoundly unorthodox in their Christian beleifs, they drank a hell of a lot...And none of them had dubious connections with known faggot/perdophiles like Mark Foley or Ted Haggard. Answer that and stay fashionable.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI hope George Bush sends the Secret Service to your house and ARRESTS you for Spreading Scandalous LIES about George Bush’s grandfather. You are ONE UGLY BITCH MADAM!!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins
Maybe when she does lie he could try to (unconstitutionally) do that, except that she didn't lie. Prescott Bush helped fund the Nazi war machine. It is the truth. But, hey, don't take my word (or the correct JudyLou's word), read about it yourself here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
And neither you nor I have actually seen the sweet lady, I think she's rather beautiful for bringing it up. Good post, JudyLou.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:07 pmJust to keep us on our corns, er, uh, toes.
Comment by RUCerious — January 9, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Hey, you got corns? Wayne and I work for a footcare products company!:-D
January 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWe know who you are, we know what your game is, you can only take yourself and your children by the ass. Make sure you stick around your neck of the woods with that crap,or you might get dirty.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:11 pmFeeling any stronger now? One year later and you are more "naked" than ever.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pm[...] Today, Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) said Sen. Kennedy’s legislation requiring the president to gain new congressional authority before escalating the war in Iraq was “a good idea.” “The more the Congress can be involved in the decision making, the better,” Smith told Bash. (Read more about the Kennedy bill here.) [...]
January 9th, 2007 at 5:13 pmGreg Nevins: "Go to the Library and read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, one of the Founding Fathers of this Great Country we call America…. It would be a much better Country without Left Wing Liberal JERKS like you!!!!"
Here's one from THE founding father:
“As mankind becomes more liberal they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.â€
-- George Washington, Letter to the Roman Catholics, March 15, 1790
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
January 9th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThomas Jefferson
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.â€
Thomas Jefferson
Comment by Bluedog49
And yet, 150 years later we get H.L. Mencken saying, "I have nothing against Christianity. It's Christians I can't stand." I wonder if (had he been able to do the impossible and live through to Mencken's time) Jefferson would have modified his position at all to be in agreement with Mencken, or would he still have something against Christianity? Keep quoting the big guys, Bluedog49. I love it when the quotes from the founders contradict the regressive view of our nation's founding.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:24 pm[...] Think Progress has more… [...]
January 9th, 2007 at 5:26 pmWayne, if the founders were alive today, most of them would probably be Unitarian liberals. Jefferson would be reading his "Jefferson Bible" at Unitarian gettogethers. By modern conservative standards, most of them were raving liberals.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:30 pmAnd, one thing about Ted Kennedy. You Bush cultists can laugh all you want at Ted, but I think Ted voted AGAINST the war authorization. Looks like Ted was RIGHT about that.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how the wingnuts cover their eyes/ears/mouths to the mistakes of their leader Chimpy. Thousands and thousands of lives lost to his ego and lies, yet to them Kennedy is the bad guy. The 3000+ American deaths only counts the soldiers, and not the contractors. Now figure in the $-billions and $-billions that could've been used here at home! How can they justify this?!!!... and they STILL SUPPORT that idiot.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Bluedog49 — January 9, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
I agree that they were liberal by today's standards. But they were also way more libertarian than today's right wing authoritarian Republicans. This is why the Republicans we see posting here have such a hard time understanding what our founding fathers were trying to do. Somehow they got the idea that we are supposed to be a nation of people who do whatever the president tells us to do.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pmJane, thanks, but no, my feets are in good shape. I threw the corns in for, you know, MA.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:41 pmDid the trolls all leave? Or are they just on a bathroom break from all the Kool-Aid?
January 9th, 2007 at 5:41 pmCompletely cracks me up that dimbulbs like Greg ask us to go read Jefferson about how this country was founded on religion!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBWaaaaahahhahaha~~~~~~
Completely cracks me up that dimbulbs like Greg ask us to go read Jefferson about how this country was founded on religion!!!
BWaaaaahahhahaha~~~~~~
Comment by RUCerious
I seriously wonder who is teaching them this false crap? Is this a failure of our public education system or home schooling? (Or did they learn this in private parochial schools? If so, those schools need to have their accredidation rescinded.)
January 9th, 2007 at 5:47 pmWayne, it's gotta be some genetic flaw. Last I heard schools (except private xians maybe) were teaching real history.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI went to Catholic school 4 -12 and had a great education (maybe a thing of the distant past, however).
More likely Greg is just an idiot.
Did the trolls all leave? Or are they just on a bathroom break from all the Kool-Aid?
Comment by JaneESchneider — January 9, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
ah haha! i noticed that also... quittin' time must be 5 o'clock...
January 9th, 2007 at 5:50 pmlet's hope anyway... oh, except that means the 2nd shift... ugh...
katy,
Be careful what you wish for...
The 2nd shift is usually nastier than the first.
:(
January 9th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI seriously wonder who is teaching them this false crap?
I believe they're just parroting what they hear in church or on those satellite-fed fundamentalist shows. They hear it over and over, so it must be true. ugh!
January 9th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThe 2nd shift is usually nastier than the first.
:(
Comment by trueblue
They've had all day to get drunk before coming here.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:55 pmThis idea of the "unitary executive" is the one that I find the most amazing. It's 180 degrees from every single founder. They were fighting monarchy and theocracy for crikies sake!
January 9th, 2007 at 5:59 pm#222 - either that or mommy is insisting the homework get done before they can play again.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:59 pmK, so the Chimpster wants 20,000 more troops. Sadr's Mehdi Army is roughly 20,000. Coincidence? ... or not?
January 9th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWayne, RUCerious,
You made me laugh and say "ewww!" all in the same thought.
Good work.
;)
(but now liberal me wants to get them help for alcohol abuse...!)
January 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#223, Bluedog49
from Federalist #48
"It is agreed on all sides, that the powers properly belonging to one of the departments ought not to be directly and completely administered by either of the other departments. It is equally evident, that none of them ought to possess, directly or indirectly, an overruling influence over the others, in the administration of their respective powers. It will not be denied, that power is of an encroaching nature, and that it ought to be effectually restrained from passing the limits assigned to it. After discriminating, therefore, in theory, the several classes of power, as they may in their nature be legislative, executive, or judiciary, the next and most difficult task is to provide some practical security for each, against the invasion of the others. What this security ought to be, is the great problem to be solved. "
January 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pmComment by Bluedog49 — January 9, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Bluedog49,
I wrote something about "Unitary Executive" on my blog. I invite you to check it out. It is not in prose.
And I do not understand how the Unitary Executive theory could be constitutionally correct.
January 9th, 2007 at 6:09 pmThe 2nd shift is usually nastier than the first. Comment by trueblue — January 9, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Yeah, but they can't be any stupider! (Please?)
January 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmYeah, but they can’t be any stupider! (Please?)
Comment by JaneESchneider
Oh, Jane,
January 9th, 2007 at 6:18 pmYou are always the Optimist...
#229 - Jane
January 9th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYou mean like, trying to sharpen their claws in a meat grinder?
Oh, Jane,
You are always the Optimist…
Comment by trueblue — January 9, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Optimist? Not when it comes to stupid people. And that Greg idiot takes the cake!
#229 - Jane
You mean like, trying to sharpen their claws in a meat grinder?
Comment by RUCerious — January 9, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Yeah, I can hear them now, like Homer Simpson when he was driving his 'booted' car out of NYC: "Hehehe...d'oh!...hehehe...d'oh!"
January 9th, 2007 at 6:27 pm[...] In a speech this afternoon at the National Press Club, Senator Kennedy pre-empted President Bush’s address to the nation tomorrow by outlining a bill he’s introducing that requires congressional approval for any troop surge in Iraq. [...]
January 9th, 2007 at 6:52 pmNot that this is even relevant, but I believe Ted has been off booze for quite a few years now. At any rate, it's always been amusing watching right wingers wax on about Ted's drinking. Joe McCarthy almost drank himself to death, J. Edgar Hoover was running around his hotel room in womens' underware, Reagan was falling asleep at National Security Briefings, but the most troubling thing to conservatives is this man who saw his three older brothers killed and having a few too many. Sad.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:29 pmHe's sober, las vegas idiot.
Has been for awhile.
No forgiveness or understanding in your heart.
Just condemnation.
Let's hope you never suffer a disease......
January 9th, 2007 at 7:31 pmbut I think Ted voted AGAINST the war authorization.
Yes, your right the Drunkard VOTED AGAINST the Resolution to Authorize the President to invade Iraq!!!!!!! What an ASS HOLE......
January 9th, 2007 at 7:34 pmGreg Nevins; I recite this in your honor. An ode to George W. Bush.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
I went to Catholic school 4 -12 and had a great education (maybe a thing of the distant past, however).
More likely Greg is just an idiot.
I was educated in Catholic School from 1 - 12. I have a Bachelors Degree and a Masters Degree. All you Left Wing Liberals were ALL BRAIN WASHED by the Left Wing Professors and Left Wing News Media.... I strongly suggest that you turn on FOX NEWS --- the only FAIR & BALANCED NEWS OUTLET!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmHAhahahahahaha....
Now we know Greg N is with us.
Fox News.
That is so funny.
Had a bunch of people going there. Very funny.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:46 pmGreg nevins; maybe you should..go to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.......on a warm San Franciscan night You might even pick up some San Francisco values. heh, heh
January 9th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
For all those worrying about a veto, doesn't Congress still control the pursestrings? Like it or not, Bush still has to get the money from Congress. Hopefully, it wouldn't pass in the House.
BlueDog49: I hope you meant "Right Wing jerks" not left wing, as your Jefferson quote supports liberals.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:56 pmIn a speech this afternoon at the National Press Club, Senator Kennedy pre-empted President Bush’s address to the nation tomorrow by outlining a bill he’s introducing that requires congressional approval for any troop surge in Iraq.
Senator Joseph Biden (D) stated on National TV today that Ted (Give me another drink) Kennedy's Resolution is Unconstitutional!!!!! Damn, a Democrat with a BRAIN --- UNBELIEVABLE......
January 9th, 2007 at 8:00 pmGreg Nevins: "I have a Bachelors Degree and a Masters Degree."
A little earlier, Greg posted this educated argument: "Dear Mr. Schneider, I call a SPADE a SPADE!!!! If you don’t like that Scum Bag Bill Clinton being called Slick Willy—- tough shit!!!!!"
Greg, you need to get your money back.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pmUncle Ho; I recite this in your honor. An ode to Hillary Clinton.
I’m glad that I’m an American,
I’m glad that I’m free,
But I wish I were a little doggie,
And HILLARY was a tree. :)
January 9th, 2007 at 8:04 pmCarl, our friend Greg Nevins had posted the stuff about "left wing jerks." I was posting quotes from Washington and Jefferson to show that they too were "left wing jerks." Nevins exhorted us to read some of the founders opinions, I presented some, and, of course, Nevins pretended not to notice.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:07 pmGreg Nevins; Hillary is not my 1st choice for prez, nor even my 10th, but I WOULD vote for her OVER ANY REPUBLICAN.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Greg, for your consideration:
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. â€
–Thomas Jefferson
I don't know, Greg. This guy sounds like a dirty lefty, don't you think?
January 9th, 2007 at 8:09 pm“If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest. â€
–Thomas Jefferson
Nevins, is this guy a dirty liberal. MA, this guy sounds like an "appeaser" to me. Your thoughts?
January 9th, 2007 at 8:11 pmRight, Greg.
Link please.
And since when is Congress controlling funding unconstitutional?
You do need to get your $$ back on that education.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:11 pmGreg, you need to get your money back.
A good education is NON-REFUNDABLE Bluedog49!!!! You should try an get an education for yourself so you will be able to post something Intelligent.. I know that is impossible since your evidently one of those Left Wing Narrow Minded Liberal Fascists who is a member of the Democratic Party. That, as we all know is the Party of NO NEW IDEAS OR ANY SOLUTIONS!!!! All you do is spew your Idiotic Party Talking Points and BLAME BUSH for everything that goes wrong in your Life..... How SHALLOW can you be????
January 9th, 2007 at 8:12 pmGreg nevins; maybe you should..go to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair…….on a warm San Franciscan night You might even pick up some San Francisco values. heh, heh
Thank you but NO THANKS.... San Francisco is a city filled with nothing but Fags, who all have AIDS and the other 70% are LEFT WING LIBERAL NUT JOBS.... You can keep that city and one day another great earthquake will take it into the Pacific Ocean --- where it belongs!!!!! Maybe the rest of you Left Wing Communists would be so kind as to MOVE to San Francisco so God can get rid of you all at once and make this Country a much better place to live!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 8:20 pmYou should try an get an education for yourself so you will be able to post something Intelligent.. I know that is impossible since your evidently one of those....
Sorry, Greg.
In the first sentence, Intelligent should not be capitalized.
The second sentence, it's you're, not your.
I won't bother with all of your puncuation mistakes.
One word: Refund.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI was posting quotes from Washington and Jefferson to show that they too were “left wing jerks.†Nevins exhorted us to read some of the founders opinions, I presented some, and, of course, Nevins pretended not to notice.
That was just to prove my point about you Left Wing Liberal Communists.... You do wantever your told to do by someone much more INTELLIGENT than you. I am laughing my ass off over here and getting the biggest kick out of you LOSERS!!!!! No everyone can see how really, really stupid Democrats are!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 8:23 pmIs there a God?
Really?
How do you know?
January 9th, 2007 at 8:23 pmGeneral Sherman once said “The only good Indian is a dead Indian†Today, just substitute Indian with DEMOCRAT.
Dear Uncle Ho.... I agree with you 100%.... the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat!!!!! Now go have another glass of KOOL AID and pray to the altar of that BITCH HILLARY, the Lesbo!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 8:25 pm....left wing narrow minded liberal fascists? OXYMORONS GREG!!! PLEASE pull out a dictionary or go to Wkipedia to look up the words you are using. Liberal(def); broad, open-minded, open to new and fresh ideas.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
some links:
from the chicago tribune's newsblog
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/01/kennedy_iraq_is.html :
Kennedy’s legislation has critics even among Senate Democrats and the chances that it will get a majority vote in the Senate aren’t good.
Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, indicated on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday that he believed such a move would be unconstitutional since it might transgress onto the president’s role as commander-in-chief.
the actual quote:
MR. RUSSERT: ...there’s really little Democrats can do. Why not cut off funding for the war?
SEN. BIDEN: I’ve been there, Tim. You can’t do it.
MR. RUSSERT: Why?
SEN. BIDEN: You can’t do it. It’s—what—because it made sense in the Constitution when you said you could cut off funding when you had no standing army. We have a standing army with a budget of hundreds of billions of dollars. You can’t go in and, like a tinker toy, and play around and say, “You can’t spend the money on this piece and this piece andâ€â€”he—able—he’ll be able to keep those troops there forever constitutionally if he wants to.
MR. RUSSERT: Why not have legislation then that would cap the number of troops in Iraq?
SEN. BIDEN: Because it’s very difficult to—it’s constitutionally questionable whether or not you can do that. I think it is unconstitutional to say, “We’re going to tell you you can go, but we’re going to micromanage the war.†When we wrote the Constitution, the intention was to give the commander in chief the authority how to use the forces, when you authorize them, to be able to use the forces.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16456248/
i found nothing about "Senator Joseph Biden (D) stated on National TV today" on google news...
imagine that...
January 9th, 2007 at 8:29 pmOne word: Refund.
Comment by trueblue — January 9, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
another one: LIE
there's no way that one is a product of 1-12 catholic education...
January 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThe "Unitary Executive" theory is really just another name for the ancient "King With Advisors" form of government, widely used around the world for thousands of years in human history. The basic idea is that the King has the final authority and makes all the final decisions. He may consult with his advisors, but he is free to disregard their advice. He may look at the law, but he is not required to follow it. The role of the people is to go along quietly with whatever the King wants to do.
THE ESSENTIAL PROBLEM FOR US is that this Theory denies the authority of Congress, the Supreme Court, or anything else to interfere with the President's performance of his functions, however he chooses. Thus Congress and the Supreme Court become merely Advisors, with no authority over the President.
That is Dictatorship, the very thing the American Revolution was fought to eliminate. Thus we see that the Unitary Executive Theory is a deviant theory, inherently anti-American, and has no place anywhere in our system of goverment.
Note** Justice Roberts & Scallia are both 100% in favor of the Unitary..
January 9th, 2007 at 8:33 pmBluedog49, Uncle Ho, katy,
Delivering the 1-2-3 punch!
Way to go, you three.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:36 pmI believe you drove him back under the bridge.
;)
Hoooo boy, the shit coming from the troll Greg Nevins is getting so deep, I'm gonna need hip-waders.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:40 pmtrueblue; my father thanks you, my mother thanks you, and I thank you.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
This Greg Nivens is a joke right?
Saddam did nothing for Al Queda, they were natural enemies.
There were AL-Queda cells in the north (where the Kurds are today)
- but out of reach from Saddam due to our enforcement of the
"no fly zone". When Saddam gassed the Kurds, he used
chemical agents supplied by who? Greg, care to guess?
We are not "at war" we are "occupiers" sandwiched between two
bitter enemies who hate us as well. There was no Iraqi among the
hijackers. We diverted our resources from getting the son-of-a-bitch
who attacked us on 911 - to attack a country that did not attack us.
All reasons given have been proven false. The we screwed the pooch in the reconstruction phase due to incompetence and greed.
Ted Kennedy was deeply remorseful of the events in Chappaquidik (sp?), apologized and the good people of MA have re-elected him every time since then.
Greg Nivens is surreal, kinda makes me wonder if he is not a creation of some fellow dem to yank our chain. Nobody can be that stupid - can they? The mainstream is US - and the likes of MA and Greg and the other trolls are increasingly and rightly so in the minority.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI do not like one party rule, but we need a Democratic rule for a spell
to get our beloved country back. TO hell with the Christian Right WIng Fascist Hypocrites!!!!!
Like it or not, Bush still has to get the money from Congress. Hopefully, it wouldn’t pass in the House.
Dear Broadway Cal.... It would be Complete and utter SUICIDE if the Democrats refused to fund our Troops fighting in Iraq!!!! Bush can send as many toops as he DESIRES to Iraq and the Congress will have no other choice but to fund them!!!! He doesn't need any further approval from Congress to send more troops to Iraq. We have ONE Commander-in-Chief and ONE Sec. of State..... NOT 325 Sec. of State's!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 8:56 pmHoooo boy, the shit coming from the troll Greg Nevins is getting so deep, I’m gonna need hip-waders.
Dear Uncle HOE, what you need is a BRAIN.... maybe then you will come up with something intelligent to say.... Otherwise, just continue to drink your KOOL AID and spew all that Left Wing Communist BULLSHIT!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 9:02 pmGreg Nivens is surreal, kinda makes me wonder if he is not a creation of some fellow dem to yank our chain. Nobody can be that stupid - can they?
I can assure you that I would NEVER become a DEMOCRAT JERK OFF or ever VOTE for a Left Wing Narrow Minded Democratic ASS HOLE!!!!! I am a loyal member of the Republican Presidential Task Force and I put my MONEY where my mouth is and I contribute the MAXIMUM to help Elect Republicans to Office. I volunteered in 2000 and 2004 and made sure that George Bush got Elected and Re-Elected.... You can count on me to HELP ELECT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON 2008!!!!!! You can take that to the Bank......
January 9th, 2007 at 9:07 pmso you are for real. And you are THAT stupid.
You would have been a good Nazi.
I thank God, your kind is in decline.
Notice how you had no answers to my facts,
but so typical are you of other trolls.
no you can't be real. Stupidity has limits and what
you display is Stupid on a Grand Scale.
I hope continue with your exaltation of the Unitary President
January 9th, 2007 at 9:15 pmtheory when it is Obama, Hillary or Edwards reading your private
mail and declaring you an enemy-combatant ' because of the
ignorance and idiocy you displayed here.
So, greg nevins (ginger vines) you have no problem voting republican even when they don't abide by there on philosophies? That makes them liars and you a fool. Not here to change your mind, just to make sure we all understand that you would rather follow a liar to your death than to see the truth.
And how about that accountability thing?
January 9th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDecapitate the leaders!!! Start by impeaching Cheney and then Bush. Next, indicte on criminal charges. Pelosi for the first female president in US history. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!.
January 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI hope continue with your exaltation of the Unitary President
theory when it is Obama, Hillary or Edwards reading your private
mail and declaring you an enemy-combatant ‘ because of the
ignorance and idiocy you displayed here.
President George W. Bush is the duly Elected Commander-in-Chief so just DEAL WITH IT!!! Obama has NO EXPERIENCE, Hillary is A POWER HUNGRY BITCH, and Edwards is a Total DIM WIT!!!!! George Bush is a BORN LEADER because he knows what is the RIGHT thing to do and he doesn't have to take a poll to see how popular it is with the Electorate....He intends to stay in Iraq until the MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED!!!!! Unlike John Kerry, who was UNFIT FOR COMMAND and DIDN'T EARN ANY OF THE MEDALS HE RECIEVED FROM VIETNAM!!!! What proof do I have you ask. First of all, he shot himself in the leg and then nominated HIMSELF for a Purple Heart!!! Then when he returned from Vietnam.... he threw them ALL AWAY because he knew that he didn't deserve any of them.... He is nothing but a GIGOLO who married Senator Heinz's (REP) Drunkin Widow!!!!! BTW, is she out of Alcohol Re-Hab Yet??????? You Left Wing Communists are SHAMELESS!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 10:50 pmyou have no problem voting republican even when they don’t abide by there on philosophies?
Voting for Republicans is the ONLY SMART and INTELLIGENT thing to do MORON!!!! Republicans stick to their philosophies and Christian Values unlike all of you Left Wing Liberal Fascists!!!! Democrats are ALWAYS LYING because they just cannit TELL THE TRUTH about anything.... They are Natural Born Liars!!!!! You shoud know your one of them JERK!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 10:58 pmStart by impeaching Ted Kennedy and then Harry Reid, the two BIGGEST ASS HOLES in the Senate. Next, indict all the Democrats in the Senate on criminal charges. Nancy Pelosi should be sent to Iraq and put on the front lines so she will learn to keep her BIG FAT MOUTH SHUT.... ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 11:01 pmginger vines, you got to be kidding. Christian values? DeLay? handed his wife divorce papers while she was in the hospital with cancer. Stick the their philosophies? Smaller govt? Nope. Fiscal responsibility? You got an answer for that one?
Dems are always lying? Now your just dumb. You shouldn't use absolutes. And your also assuming that I'm a democrat. Shows again your dumb. Never said what I was, just what I'm against.
Your an angry man ginger vines. All I'm asking for from my govt. is accountability. You can't even stand behind that.
The Resolution Authorizing Military Force in Iraq required the president to report to congress every 60 days with a status report as per the War Power Acts. He hasn't and therefore has not followed the resolution. Bush is not above the law. No matter how much that gin soaked brain of yours wants it to be so. These are facts. Go look them up. Until then, all of your partisan hack, cry baby, fear mongering bullshit means nothing.
Got that ginger?
January 9th, 2007 at 11:17 pmAnd ginger, how can you stand behind a dry drunk and a coke head? You can slander Kennedy but deny the pot smoking and coke snorting GW has done? Also, that AWOL issue. Nobody has been able to show where he was when he was supposed to be on duty. None. Why there's still $10,000 out there for anyone who can positively place Bush on the military base as he says he was. The money is still waiting there.
Greg, all you have is anger. Not facts, not truth, not even moral values. It's going to suck for you for quite some time.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:28 pmHelen - It's alot easier to stand behind a dry drunk than drive with a 'wet" one.....P.S. Mr. and Mrs. Kopechne aren't very impressed with your moral "values"....
January 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amWay to go Ted Kennedy. Finally some accountability. And a bill to do away with the signing statement should be introduced also. At the same time "We The People" are busy introducing Impeachment proceedings for George W Bush. Here's the link to downloads for forms to send to Nancy Pelosi, and Congress.
http://impeachforpeace.org/.html
January 10th, 2007 at 12:44 amDear Geez - Are progs asking Speakette Pelosi to denouce her vote on the WAR - before or after impeachment?
January 10th, 2007 at 12:50 am"Ted Kennedy was deeply remorseful of the events in Chappaquidik (sp?), apologized and the good people of MA have re-elected him every time since then." Comment by Gregnogins
*****"Breast Stroke" Ted was deeply remorseful he got caught with a dead blonde in his car. The "good" people of MA are idiots.....
January 10th, 2007 at 12:53 ammighty aphrodite
Pelosi most likely said impeachment was "off the table" to remove any appearance of conflict-of-interest that would arise if she were thrust into the presidency as a result of the coming impeachment.
What we need to do is to pressure Pelosi not to interfere with impeachment maneuverings within her party. Sending her Do-It-Yourself impeachments legitimizes her when she is forced to join the impeachment movement in the future.
Sacks and sacks of mail are about to arrive in Nancy Pelosi's office initiating impeachment via the House of Representative's own rules this Monday January 15th. This legal document is as binding as if a State or if the House itself passed the impeachment resolution (H.R. 635).
There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.That's where we come in. In addition to a House Resolution (635), or the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.
January 10th, 2007 at 12:58 amI cannot believe you libs are so vindictive, or is that to big a word for you? You say you are for the little people but the people in Iraq are not worthy of your help. You are all fake, you libs are only for someone you can give money to. you would never sacrifice your self for another human being, probably only your pets. Your hatred for Bush is so ingrained you cannot help yourself. I am not so thrilled with Bush because of his immigration policies, but iI do not carry it as far as you libs. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Seek help!
January 10th, 2007 at 1:09 amhow can you stand behind a dry drunk and a coke head?
It's very easy BUCKET, I am a LOYAL REPUBLICAN and I will always DEFEND my fellow Republicans...... I have NO USE for Democrats I don't have anything in common with them and think they are Low Class SWINE!!!! Anyone that could vote for JERKS like Al Gore and John Kerry are nothing short of IDIOTS!!!!
George W. Bush was NOT AWOL while he served in the National Guard.. These are just LIES spread by the Left Wing Liberal Media... The records are been researched and George Bush completed his Natioanl Guard Service... so STOP spreading LIES and inaccurate information about him...
The only ANGER I have is when I have to hear from ALL of you Democrats Blame Bush for everything and tell LIES about him..... I give onlt the facts BUT you MORONIC Left Wing Hoolywood Liberals CANNOT STAND THE TRUTH!!!!!! I have the HIGHEST Morals Values that any person could possess.... YOU DON'T KNOW ME and Don't try to Judge ME.....
Life is wonderful for me and the only thing that SUCKS is YOU!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 1:18 amMy my but there are some ugly trolls around here. This is some pretty smelly mud that I am wading in. Fortunately there's nothing very deep in the comments...Just the common name calling and self rightious vulgarities. I for sure wouldn't want to be swimming in this noxious soup...ROFLMAO
January 10th, 2007 at 1:55 amIs that pinhead Nevins still here? I think what set him off was the revelation that his "republican" mother had the hots for Teddy Kennedy.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:04 amBarfly
Well...That isn't as bad as I imagined for Nevins. I was afraid that he might have had the hots for Dubya. He seems to kind of worship him. Do you suppose that he has an idol of George in his living room where he nuzzles in the Neoconservative but cheeks of the commander in chief?
January 10th, 2007 at 2:12 amsayanora amigo's
Or as Kieth Olbermann would put it. Good Night and good luck.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:24 amG' night, Geezer.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:40 amI am noticing over the course of the thread that Greg has increased his number of ALL CAPS posts and !!!!exclamation points!!!!! Republican play book Rule 1b. When wrong, shout!
Civil discourse is lost on them. I believe in some conservative themes, but this neocon hyjacking has to stop.
Only difference between Greg and a suicide bomber is that the suicide bomber has more balls. Both have about as much insight and compassion.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:58 amYou are all fake, you libs are only for someone you can give money to. you would never sacrifice your self for another human being, probably only your pets. Your hatred for Bush is so ingrained you cannot help yourself.
David, you really hit the nail on the head with your description of Left Wing Liberals!!!!!
I am not so thrilled with Bush because of his immigration policies, but iI do not carry it as far as you libs. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Seek help!
I agree with you on the Immigration issue. I disagree with George Bush on his solution to this HUGE problem... He is more aligned with the Dems on this issue and I hope he will change his views and stand for a tough Immigration Bill and enforce the current laws on the books.... Illegal immigrants should be DEPORTED and NOT REWARDED!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 3:55 amIs that pinhead Nevins still here? I think what set him off was the revelation that his “republican†mother had the hots for Teddy Kennedy.
Dear Barfly, My mother woulndn't allow a Left Wing Liberal Ass Hole to lick the sweat from her feet let alone even talk to one. Left Wing Liberals are the LOWEST SCUM ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 3:59 amI was afraid that he might have had the hots for Dubya. He seems to kind of worship him. Do you suppose that he has an idol of George in his living room
I worship President Bush because he is a Born Leader and he does what he knows is the right thing to do. He makes the TOUGH decisions and doesn't CUT and RUN like all the Left Wing Liberal Morons want us to do. I fully support his decision to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq. I believed that he should have sent more troops to Iraq a long time ago.... The Democrats can go shit on themselves and drink some more KOOL AID!!!!
No one in this BUSH and REPUBLICAN Country care what Left Wing Liberal Communists have to say about anything.... so SHUT UP!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 4:04 amOnly difference between Greg and a suicide bomber is that the suicide bomber has more balls. Both have about as much insight and compassion.
What a JOKE!!! You Left Wing Liberal Fascists ONLY CARE ABOUT YOURSELVES!!!!! You are not willing to make any sacrifices to help the Iraqi people. We were attacked on 9/11 and 3,000 American were Killed and you woulsd rather sit on your fat lazy asses and crawl under your beds.... Democrats are completly WORTHLESS!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 4:08 amThis was posted by David Shovan and I believe it is Priceless!!!!
I cannot believe you libs are so vindictive, or is that to big a word for you? You say you are for the little people but the people in Iraq are not worthy of your help. You are all fake, you libs are only for someone you can give money to. you would never sacrifice your self for another human being, probably only your pets. Your hatred for Bush is so ingrained you cannot help yourself. I am not so thrilled with Bush because of his immigration policies, but iI do not carry it as far as you libs. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Seek help!
January 10th, 2007 at 4:11 amHey Greg -- Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
January 10th, 2007 at 5:07 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK was your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:03 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK was your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:05 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK was your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK was your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK is your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK is your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amHey Greg — Ted Kennedy is my Senior Senator from Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. He is my hero.
It figures that a Left Wing Liberal State such as Massachushits would allow such Perversity!!!!! We should rename MA. Sodom and Gomarrah because they allow immoral perverts to make a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.... The people in MA. should be ASHAMED of themselves but they are too Liberal and suffer from a mental disorder!!!!!
I would not go around bragging that a MURDERER and a KNOWN DRUNK is your HERO!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amGreg, anyone who worships and thinks GWB is a born leader must be insane, inept or simply misguided. Think about GWB's demeanor (how he acts). He's nervous, timid, shifts his eyes constantly, stumbles on words (or mangles them completely). Are these signs of a born leader? Google "is Bush crazy" and you'll see some authoritatve commentary on the "born leader's" mental state.
Also, does anyone really care whether Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic or whatever? Stay to the point. The dems are part of a process to check GWB's balance (unless GWB signs it away). GWB has trampled our freedom over and over again and he's convinced you that that's OK. Suppose he's done a good job at that, at least. Actually, I can't even attribute that fact to GWB, but to his cronies that push all of the propaganda to your nondiscriminating eyes and ears.
You know, those that have actually gone to war would have been much more reluctant to start one again. Why didn't we just use the CIA to covertly put these guys out? Answer: cause the Cheney/Rumsfeld gang saw an opportunity to make some cash and come out heroes. Well, it didn't work. Cause eventually the truth of war (murder, rape, robbery, torture) reared it's ugly head.
I hardly ever post this stuff, but after reading Greg's ill-informed misguided comments, I'm mad as hell and hope we don't ever have a chance to meet on the street. Greg, please reread the comments above. I hope you'll change your state and not be so blind. If not, then please crawl in a hole and reflect on the torture in our prison camps or how young children die every day because of GW's decisions (he is the decider, after all) or, better yet, just sign up for the GWB "what do we do now" gang. I sure your ideas would be appreciated there (especially the all caps).
January 10th, 2007 at 6:33 amNevins; Bush's own service record shows that he was AWOL, over a year(desertion). That is NOT a liberal lie, unless all military service records are lies. Grow up shit-for-brains.
January 10th, 2007 at 7:06 amIs Greg Nevins aka joelogic? They both post the same drivel(totally insane). Not even IRI was this certifiable. Send for the guys with strait-jackets and reserve some padded cells for Joe/Greg.
January 10th, 2007 at 7:26 amGreg Neverneverland,
January 10th, 2007 at 7:32 amClinton, in fact, was not the first president to be impeached by the House. Andrew Johnson was more than 100 years earlier. Take your own advice and read up on American history!
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January 10th, 2007 at 7:46 amDidn't he put a U.S. citizen in harm's way when he left her at the bottom of the lake? Teddy has no credibility.
January 10th, 2007 at 8:52 amPoliticalCritic,
Why can't you talk about the current issue?
If that's the way you want to play it, then let's discuss Laura Bush killing her boyfriend.
January 10th, 2007 at 8:58 am... or GWB paying for his girlfriend's abortion.....
January 10th, 2007 at 8:59 amGreg, #239, I have a PhD, a Masters and two BAs and I served in the United States Marine Corps...so Hah! You stupid asshole. Eat my shit and die you pogue.
January 10th, 2007 at 10:02 amMan, look at all the fun I missed. Ginger Vines popped several more blood vessels and even Flighty far Righty stuck her head above the covers long enough to spew some of her logic.
Plain and simple Greg, your going to be dissapointed for the next couple years. You might want to voluntarily go on a sucide watch.
And as for Mighty A, You just don't have any standing here until you can answer my question. How can you support this administration and say your for accountability? Show us all how they aren't in conflict because your viewed as a typing contradiction.
Wow, let's continue to slam Kennedy but ignore the demons in your own closet. Nevermind the importance of the conflict going on. It's all about character assasination with you guys. iF YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE THE FAILURES OF YOUR OWN SIDE AND CONTINUE TO SHOOT AT THE OTHER YOU WILL BE VIEWED AS HACKS WITH NO INDIVIDUAL IDEAS. THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND WE ARE NOW INTO YEAR 4 AND 500 BILLION DOLLARS INTO A CONFLICT THAT DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN. IT WAS/ IS AN ATTACK OF OPPORTUNITY AND THE TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS IS UPON US.
Now feel free to bitch all you want.
January 10th, 2007 at 10:13 amOh my God... they're going to kill us all because we don't do anything but argue O_o
Some federal official is saying "Let's see what the citizens have to say about this bill" and look what he would find here...
January 10th, 2007 at 10:21 amGreg,
too!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 10:25 amMUCH!!!!!!!!!!
PUNCTUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMUNIST FASCIST LEFT WING LIBERAL CONSERVATIVE NUTGLEAMS!!!!
[...] This morning on Fox News, anchor Gretchen Carlson called Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) a “hostile enemy” of the United States because he has demanded that Congress vote on whether to approve funding for escalation in Iraq. In an interview with White House counselor Dan Bartlett, Carlson compared Kennedy to insurgents and terrorists in Iraq, saying that Kennedy represented the same kind of force “right here on the home front.” Watch it: var flvhostileenemy3202409557 = new SWFObject('/wp-content/plugins/flvplayer.swf?file=http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/flv/2007/01/hostileenemy.320.240.flv&autoStart=false', 'em-flvhostileenemy3202409557', '320', '260', '6', '#ffffff'); flvhostileenemy3202409557.addParam('quality', 'high'); flvhostileenemy3202409557.addParam('wmode', 'transparent'); flvhostileenemy3202409557.write('flvhostileenemy3202409557'); [...]
January 10th, 2007 at 10:25 am313. We do more than argue. I don't really count name calling and holding your hands over your ears as arguing. A true argument would bring opnions supported by fact. There really hasn't been much of the far rights side as far as facts go. The posts above reflect a need for accountability and oversight. This bill is attempting to do just that.
Put the name calling aside and you'll see a large percentage of the voices above have given strong support for this bill for the purpose of accountability.
January 10th, 2007 at 10:27 amcomment 4 by TripMaster Monkey says it all. Bush will still get his way one way or the other as he has NO respect for the law.
January 10th, 2007 at 11:49 am[...] Ted Kennedy [...]
January 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amClinton, in fact, was not the first president to be impeached by the House. Andrew Johnson was more than 100 years earlier. Take your own advice and read up on American history!
If you read my blog correctly you would have read that I said, Slick Willy aka Bill Clinton was the only Elected President to be Impeached in History. Andrew Johnson was NEVER Elected President. He became President after the Assination of President Abraham Lincoln. I stand by my statement. Maybe your the one who needs to read up on American History!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 11:57 amGWB has trampled our freedom over and over again and he’s convinced you that that’s OK.
George Bush has NOT trampled on anyone's Freedom. This is the Horse Shit put out by the Leaders and Spin Meisters of the Left Wing Liberal Communist Party (DEMONCRATS).... The Lies that are spread by the Dems is just appalling and the Idiot sheep that listen and repeat these lies is equally appalling!!!!! Have some more KOOL AID!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pmAlso, does anyone really care whether Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic or whatever?
That is your opinion that Ted Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic. Once an alcoholic always and alcoholic. He also murdered a young woman and his family bought his way out of being prosecuted by paying off the girls family and other officials...
January 10th, 2007 at 12:04 pmBush’s own service record shows that he was AWOL, over a year(desertion). That is NOT a liberal lie.
This is EXACTLY a Left Wing Liberal LIE because all of the NEWS MEDIA including CNN (Communist News Network) have seen his military records and he completed all of his time in the National Guard. Dan Rather lost his job at CBS because he tried to use FORGED Documents stating that George Bush was AWOL. Dan Rather knew they were FAKES when he used them. You Left Wing Liberal Fascists will stoop to any LOW to try and discredit George Bush.... Sorry, but I will support President Bush to till the end of his term.... You my friend can go shit in the Ocean --- take your pick!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmGreg, #239, I have a PhD, a Masters and two BAs and I served in the United States Marine Corps…so Hah! You stupid asshole. Eat my shit and die you pogue.
Dear Doktor Texas I think you have exposed yourself for what you are --- A low class piece of trailer trash... You can have get all the degrees you want but you can't buy CLASS!!!! This is typical behavior of a Left Wing Liberal Communist Member of the Democratic Party!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNow feel free to bitch all you want.
Dear hellinabucket, You can scream and jump up and down all you want. Our Commander-in-Chief is going to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq and there is nothing the DO NOTHING DEMONCRATS can do about it. Ted Kennedy can introduce all the Bill he wants but they are going NO WHERE!!! George Bush is the duly Elected President and HE is the one that will determine how many troops will be deployed in Iraq and how long they will stay there... The troops will remain in Iraq until the Mission is Accomplished so I suggest that you take a long vacation to China and see how the other Communists live... You will love that being that your a Left Wing Communist yourself!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pmGreg #256: It was Gen. Sheridan you arsehole! Seriously dude get your refund...or are those catholic preists that 'educated 'you using it in Thailand.
January 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pmQuote:
Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.â€
Ted "The Swimmer" sent the troops there now wants to pull their funding. What a piece of crap.
Kind of like wants to get a chick sloppy drunk then molest her. But not willing to help her out of the 3' deep water she drowned in.
January 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI see your quote Joe and raise you:
Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary, as quoted in the Slate on October 16, 2002:
If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
Kind of wants to smack every blind, fear mongering republican upside the head and point out how badly we've been missled.
January 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmLeft Wing Liberals are the LOWEST SCUM ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH!!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins —
Umm, Greg dear, can we talk? Do you remember when your father went to Burma on that business trip? Well ... I was feeling a little depressed and lonely, and so I left you with your aunt Margie, and went to the Club. Now, in those days, the Senator cut quite a dashing figure, and I ... well, I guess you could say I had a slight lapse ... Anyway, don't you see the resemblance? He's your father, Greg ... Please don't hate me.
January 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmGreg Nevins, you're throwing a whole lot hot air around for a drunk and a murderer -- and I mean Bush, not Kennedy. Whether you think Kennedy is either or both of those is your own opinion, but don't lose sight of the fact that Bush is also a drunk and a murderer by proxy. You can't defend one and villify the other with your reasoning.
January 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmOpen Comment: Did anyone notice that Greg has been elevated to "Sir" at 0606 this AM. He must have been good last night with HIS "knight in shining armour" in Camelot on the Potomac. Good luck to you all, especially Greg!!!!!!!! He needs it more than his commander in chief!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pmWow, when reading the quote of Cheney circa 1991 I see they still haven't figured out the answer to the same question 15 years later. Damn are they dumb.
January 10th, 2007 at 1:36 pmor are those catholic preists that ‘educated ‘you using it in Thailand.
Comment by Doktor Texas #325
...they love you long time....
...catholic priests that is...
hehehehehehehe! good one Dok...
January 10th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThat's what Greg calls his little soldier. It's been at attention since 6am. Aren't you supposed to call a doctor after 4 hours in that condition?
January 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pm#325 It was Uncle Ho that posted it saying it was Gerneral Sherman... Go BITCH IN HIS FACE--- YOU LEFT WING ASS HOLE COMMUNIST!!!!!!
Greg Nevins; Hillary is not my 1st choice for prez, nor even my 10th, but I WOULD vote for her OVER ANY REPUBLICAN.
General Sherman once said “The only good Indian is a dead Indian†Today, just substitute Indian with Republican.
Comment by Uncle_Ho — January 9, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
January 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pmUmm, Greg dear, can we talk? Do you remember when your father went to Burma on that business trip? Well … I was feeling a little depressed and lonely, and so I left you with your aunt Margie, and went to the Club. Now, in those days, the Senator cut quite a dashing figure, and I … well, I guess you could say I had a slight lapse … Anyway, don’t you see the resemblance? He’s your father, Greg … Please don’t hate me.
Comment by Mrs. Nevins — January 10, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Here is the proof in the pudding that Left Wing Liberal Communist, ALL Members of the Democratic Party are the LOWEST SCUM ON THE EARTH!!!! They just continue to SPIN and LIE to their hearts content.
George Bush was Elected and re-elected by the American people to be our Commander-in-Chief. Our Country was attacked in 9/11 and Congress gave HIM THE AUTHORITY to invade Iraq!!!! If he wants to send 20,000 more troops to iraq --- HE CAN and he doesn't need approval from the likes of Ted Kennedy.......Now DEAL WITH IT!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAren’t you supposed to call a doctor after 4 hours in that condition?
Comment by hellinabucket — January 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Hellinabucket..... You dream about the days, last since past that YOU could get an erection, let alone keep if for more than 10 minutes!!!!!!! Keep drinking your KOO AID with the rest of your Party's ILK... i.e. Cindy Sheehan --- what a sorry EXCUSE for a MOTHER!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmAren’t you supposed to call a doctor after 4 hours in that condition?
Comment by hellinabucket — January 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Hellinabucket….. You dream about the days, long since past that YOU could get an erection, let alone keep if for more than 10 minutes!!!!!!! Keep drinking your KOOL AID with the rest of your Party’s ILK… i.e. Cindy Sheehan — what a sorry EXCUSE for a MOTHER!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmLike I've said before Greg, name call all you want. You are the one ignoring the facts. Go look at the "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq". This is where the presidents authority lies. Abiding by this Joint Resolution is what the president has to do. There are 3 branches of Govt. and it was decided long ago that one side would not have too much power (such as you are advocating).
Now go read the document and then come back. Otherwise I'm just laughing at your pitiful existence.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThere you go again Greg, making assumptions.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:32 pmReminders:
At the time of the invasion, UN and AEIA inspectors were on the job, finding nothing...with CIA, MI6, and Mossad tips on where to look.
The inspections were costing less than $100 million a year, none of it paid by US taxpayers.
Inspectors estimated less than one year to complete the inspections.
No one was dying.
(Well, Bush and the neo-cons were "dying" to send somebody else's kids to die--if you're into figurative hyperbole.)
The ONLY national interest has to do with oil, and the wonderful rhetoric about freedom and democracy is bullsh*t for the multitudes.
Saddam was OUR sonofabitch to three U.S. administrations, including the period in which the Kurds were gassed, and 99% of the killing of rivals and rebellious Shias.
GWB lied us into war. He broke FISA law. He broke Geneva Convention agreements. He invaded a foreign country without provocation, citing UN resolutions but without UN sanction.
He has used over 1000 signing statements essentially saying he is above the Constitution and the Congress, including the right to open your personal mail without obtaining a warrant.
It really is time to cut the crap. Bush is a fascist, and should be not only impeached but convicted.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmHi Progress bloggers
Kudos to Oregon Senator Gordon Smith
Video: GOP Sen. Gordon Smith opposes surge
This just show's us another example of the triumph of Truth over Power. It won't be long before Arbusto "Spanish for shrub" will be hanging on with only his PNAC buddies who are in all of the key positions of their corporate government...Heeheeheee
January 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pmYes, Sen Smith thinks for himself and won't be tied to the sheep any longer.
Thanks for the facts Voltaire. I agree.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmAnd, after reading responses to Greg Nevins, I spoke to his mother. She says she is sick and tired out of people picking on him, and she's afraid that he isn't getting his rest. He's only nine, she says, so what do people expect.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmKudos to Oregon Senator Gordon Smith...
Sen. Gordon Smith opposes surge
RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday January 10, 2007
In an interview with CNN in the 5am hour this morning, Senator Gordon Smith (R-OR) hit Bush's new surge plan and said that Iraq was no longer a US fight. He also said he supported Sen. Ted Kennedy's (D-MA) proposal to have Congress to vote on any increase in troops.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmIt goes between pity and disgust my attempt to understand Sir Ginger Vines. anagram he hasn't gotten yet
January 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmIf you read my blog correctly you would have read that I said, Slick Willy aka Bill Clinton was the only Elected President to be Impeached in History. Andrew Johnson was NEVER Elected President. He became President after the Assination(SIC) of President Abraham Lincolnï¼
Rant by "Sir" Greg Nevins
Sorry: I miss the "elected" part of your blog. It's rather headache-provoking to read everything you write, with your foul language misspellings, poor punctuation, and particularly your inability to understand the difference between Communists and Fascists and your screams in capital letters and multiple exclamation marks.
January 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmAnd just when did you become a "Sir" if you are, in fact, an American citizen? Oh, forget it. I really don't want to know.
Voltairetoday
"And, after reading responses to Greg Nevins, I spoke to his mother. She says she is sick and tired out of people picking on him, and she’s afraid that he isn’t getting his rest. He’s only nine, she says, so what do people expect."
I get it now, little Greggy is a juvenile...lol. Well here's a nice shiney little idol of Dubya for him. Time for your nap Greggy, now get on your jammies and snuzzle up with your Commander In Chief.
ROTFLMAO
G:
January 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmGeezer Power, incredible that Mr. AWOL would have a bust (there's a pun there somewhere) of him in a flight outfit.
I'll hold out for the one with the straw in his nose. Soon to be the hottest item.
January 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pmIn an interview with CNN in the 5am hour this morning, Senator Gordon Smith (R-OR) hit Bush’s new surge plan and said that Iraq was no longer a US fight. He also said he supported Sen. Ted Kennedy’s (D-MA) proposal to have Congress to vote on any increase in troops.
You really should STOP listening to CNN (Communist News Network) because all they do is feed you all that Left WING Liberal BS!!!! The 20,000 troops are going to be Deployed in Iraq at the direction of the Commander-in-Chief and they PARTY ON NO IDEAS will HAVE NO POWER to stop him.... Find something else to Bitch about!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:14 pmAnd, after reading responses to Sir Greg Nevins, I spoke to his mother. She says she is sick and tired out of people picking on him, and she’s afraid that he isn’t getting his rest. He’s only nine, she says, so what do people expect.
Comment by Voltairetoday — January 10, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
My MOTHER would never even acknowledge that low class trailer trash like you EXIST let alone speak with a Left Wing ASS HOLE Communist DEMONcrat!!!!! This just shows that you cannot DEBATE the Issues on Iraq and have to resort to some juvenile jokes..... I think that you have OVERDOSED on your KOOL AID!!!!!
As I have said SO MANY TIMES ---- DEMOCRATS and LIBERALS are WORTHLESS!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThere you go again Greg, making assumptions.
Dear hellinabucket, I don't make ASSUMPTIONS..... I only report the FACTS!!!!!! You should try it sometime BUT I know that is impossible for someone in your condition — Mentall y Challenged!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 6:22 pm[...] KENNEDY INTRODUCES BILL SIPHONING POWERS FROM EXECUTIVE The legislation requires the Congress to vote before the President escalates troop levels in Iraq. [...]
January 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pmGreg Nevins; you need to squat lower when you are reading your Bible-Mein Kampf.
January 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pmTroop Surge Already Under Way
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2007— President Bush's speech may be scheduled for tonight, but the troop surge in Iraq is already under way.
ABC News has learned that the "surge" Bush is expected to announce in a prime time speech tonight has already begun. Ninety advance troops from the 82nd Airborne Division arrived in Baghdad today.
An additional battalion of roughly 800 troops from the same division are expected to arrive in Baghdad Thursday.
It is the first small wave of troops in a new White House strategy that is expected to put more than 20,000 additional U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq and likely require new call-ups of the National Guard.
The president is expected to deliver his announcement about the increase of troops, a plan that has already been met with stiff criticism from many members of Congress, in a speech tonight from the White House.
The arrival of additional forces in Iraq comes a day after leading Democrats said they would back legislation that would block funding to pay for the additional military forces.
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Impeachable offence
January 10th, 2007 at 7:02 pmUncle HO; We Loyal, Intelligent, and Superior Republicans read the U. S. Constitution..... it is only you Left Wing Liberal COWARDS that read Mein Kampf.... I mean it was All of you Democrats that ALLOWED Hitler to KILL Tens of Thousands of Innocent Jews during the HOLOCAUST.... just like you would ALLOW Sadddam Hussein to continue to KILL Tens of Thousands of Iraqi's -- if you had your way!!!!!
Democrats are Absolutely 100% WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThe arrival of additional forces in Iraq comes a day after leading Democrats said they would back legislation that would block funding to pay for the additional military forces.
I would Love to see the Left Wing Liberal Communist in the House and Senate try to Block the Funding of our Brave Troops Fighting the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan!!!!! That would be the END OF THE Democratic Party --- and I say Good Ridance.... It wouldn't be any big LOSS because the Democratic Party is comprised of nothing but Left Wing Liberal Communist!!!!
Impeachable offence -- Look in your Funk & Wagnall and you will find a photo of William Jefferson Clinton aka "SLICK WILLY"!!!!!!
January 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pmSorry, Mr. Neverneverland,
January 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIt was Prescott Bush (the current president's grandfather) who had his banking assets frozen because of his financial connections to the Nazis. It was Democrat FD Roosevelt who brought the US into WWII to fight the Japanese, Italian and German Fascists, and Democrat Harry Truman who saw the war through to victory for the Allies.
You seem to want a one-party system. Is that what you call "democracy?"
Ps. Mr. Neverneverland,
January 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI have a Jewish relative who was interned by the Nazis because she had the misfortune to be honeymooning in France just when the Germans invaded it. I don't need you to tell me which politicians arranged to get her out and back to the USA.
"I have a Jewish relative who was interned by the Nazis because she had the misfortune to be honeymooning in France just when the Germans invaded it. I don’t need you to tell me which politicians arranged to get her out and back to the USA. "
What we are seeing today, is very much like a fascist regime, the differnce being that Dubya is merely the puppet of a tight knight
January 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmCabal of Neoconservatives and corporations. As we speak Dubya has put boots on the ground while threatening iran and Syria before he has even done a speech, let alone being condoned by congress.
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January 10th, 2007 at 11:03 pmDemocrat Harry Truman who saw the war through to victory for the Allies. You seem to want a one-party system. Is that what you call “democracy?â€
How did Harry Truman end WWII???? He dropped atomic bombs on Japan!!!
January 11th, 2007 at 3:36 amDon't complain about President Bush because he is trying to DEFEND this country from the Middle East Terrorists that want to KILL every American they possibly can...... You Left Wing Liberal Fascists are SHAMELESS!!!!!
Kennedy's bill will force each menber of Congress to go on record either for or against escalation of the war. From what I understand Bush has war powers that would be very difficult to curtail. For the public it is important that we know, on the record, their position so we can hold them accountable in 2008.
January 11th, 2007 at 4:09 amYou Left Wing Liberal Fascists are SHAMELESS!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins
SIr Neverneverland,
January 11th, 2007 at 4:51 amYou lose any argument with your oxymoron: Left Wing Liberal Fascists!
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[...] This morning on Fox News, anchor Gretchen Carlson called Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) a “hostile enemy†of the United States because he has demanded that Congress vote on whether to approve funding for escalation in Iraq. In an interview with White House counselor Dan Bartlett, Carlson compared Kennedy to insurgents and terrorists in Iraq, saying that Kennedy represented the same kind of force “right here on the home front.†[...]
January 11th, 2007 at 7:08 amTo:(Sic) Greg Nevins
I have vowed to do this every time I see someone call Ted Kennedy an alcoholic or a "killer," due to a car accident on a bridge, years ago.
A girl was killed by drowning during a tragic car accident. That is all-The End.
But nobody brings up another accident in which Laura Welch drove thru a stop sign in TX, when she was 17, & killed a teen boy in another car. That boy just happened to be an ex boyfriend of hers.
Nobody tested her for alcohol, or put her on trial for a wrongful death. It was called a tragic "accident" & forgot.
What happened to that girl? She is now the First Lady, Laura Bush. Should we condemn her for the rest of her life as a "killer," as you do to Kennedy?
And while you are on the theme "booze" and alcoholism, we know for certain that Geo W has been an alcoholic, which almost led to early divorce between him & Laura. And he has refused to discuss his cocaine useage.
PUBLIC RECORD.
So it is really senseless to keep on saying evil things against Kennedy, who has a noble family of war heroes, men who dedicated them selves to public service, & women who have done enormous good thru charities.
Not to mention 2 brothers who died in political office, in large part due to an effort to demonize them by the GOP. JFK and RFK, President & Attorney General. I am proud of them as great idealistic men who serve to protect the Constitution, & the values of our Founding Fathers.
All of whom would be doing somersaults in their graves if they knew what Bush & the GOP are doing right now to our beloved America.
January 11th, 2007 at 8:29 amOn topic of Fascism:
Under which admin has our freedom of speech been cut off?
And the media has been controlled by Lush Limberger types of propagandists on the air 24/7 for the last 20 YEARS.
And the writ of habeas corpus has been cancelled very recently, which is unConstitutional.
And the Patriot Act was rushed thru due to 9/11, which gives Dictator type powers to President
Bush as long as he is involved in War.
Which is why he will never want to leave Iraq. Not to mention the oil over there.
Has anyone even mentioned the 2000 & 2004 elections were rigged? Numerous men have investigated details & found huge evidence of election fraud & tampering by use of Diebold voter machines, etc. Which leaves no doubt that political crimes were rampant to cheat the American people out of their duly elected leaders
And rigging an election in a nation which is a democracy is equal to treason.
Since democracy = govt of the people, by the people, & for the people, using the voice of the people thru their elected choice of representatives.
Using a foreign policy of preemptive strikes, which is a violation of UN law & all treaties, & puts us in position of being hated & feared, as a bully nation, that does not follow ethical or moral rules of
conduct. Which has led to most enemy nations arming them selves, to protect themselves from any further bomb attacks from a rogue USA.
Trade agreements that bankrupt the US & outsource industry & jobs to foreign govts, which lead to economic chaos & hi deficits we owe to Communist China.
Refusing to guard our borders to keep terrorists & mexican "illegals" out, so they don't overwhelm
our social programs & prisons, & schools & hospitals.
Which admin signs an agreement with Vincente Fox, Mexico to create a MERGER of Canada, Mexico, & the USA, which will end up erasing all our borders? And will erase American sovereignty, & maybe our whole identity as a nation? And will most likely end this democracy.
Not to mention starting useless war in many nations, to kill off thousands of our troops.
GUESS WHO. & then tell me where you will find Fascism &
January 11th, 2007 at 9:14 amCommunism in America
And the Patriot Act was rushed thru due to 9/11, which gives Dictator type powers to President
Bush as long as he is involved in War.
Which is why he will never want to leave Iraq. Not to mention the oil over there.
Comment by Nellie Bly — January 11, 2007 @ 9:14 am
was war actually declared?
January 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amoh and with the mention of Bush being a fascist (a statement with which i agree), read this link. it's quite interesting.
Bush another Hitler?
January 11th, 2007 at 10:11 amAmazing parallels do exist between "W" & uncle Adolph. We are not capable of truly seeing the totality of things until they are right in front of our eyes.
But it is hard to ignore that "W"'s cohorts say that teachers orgs (like the NEA) are really "terrorist" associations, & that Environmentalists R truly "terrorists" & that some journalist who opposes Bush & his regime are real "terrorists" & then they claim the right to imprison/ torture any of those people they please.
Recently a news man who has criticized Bush, rec'd anthrax in his mail. He had to evacuate office & burn clothes, & take RX antibiotics. It is really typical of right wingers to be not only stupid, but dangerous psychotics who employ acts of violence & terrorism themselves, while accusing others of being the bad guys.
Of course they use continual 24/7 propaganda to numb minds of the people, so they accept with -out question, all the horrible lies & complete falsehoods fed to them by their Fascist Big Brother.
Notice they will not arrest illegal alien drug dealers, but they WILL arrest Cindy Sheehan for trying to protest a rotten war that has killed her precious son. He is now gone, dead, forever, due to Bush's idiot war.
Bush has said he has spoken to God, but we should remind him often that Jesus Christ is the Prince of PEACE, (not war).
And the God of LOVE & PEACE would never speak to him to lead us into a useless & costly war, killing off the best young men of a generation.
Blessed are the meek, turn the other cheek, turn swords into plowshares, & do not make war any more. Those are the words of the Lord.
NOTE also: That Armageddon is a real geographical place, in Palestine. It is called the Plains of Megiddo, near the area of Esdraelon.
Messing around in the Middle East with Moslem nations, is asking for trouble.
And many experts agree that the most likely place that was the ancient Garden of Eden (in the Bible) was in or near IRAQ. Holy land --- so of course our great leader Bush had to go bomb it to hell. Such genius.
That is enough proof to me that God would be enraged at Bush, & never allow him to Win in IRAQ.
Did anybody notice that opinion polls show W is not at peak popularity right now? Maybe God is trying to tell him something, & he ought to back out of Iraq, ASAP. Since God may have chosen that place for man's first Paradise, for a reason. Not to have it bombed into rubble by arrogant fools, seeking oil.
It is TRUE that Bush is trying to merge our nation with Mexico, Canada & other S.American countries. Which can erase our borders & take the USA off any future map or globe.
Transformation to take place by 2010, which is only 3 yrs.
Bush thinks he can do this without any approval of our Congress, or will of the people. We must really send up a big shout to our Senate & Congress to tell them what we think about that. Or we will not ever be a democracy again.
January 11th, 2007 at 11:19 amBush has said he has spoken to God
if your neighbour said this to you, that he had spoken to God, wouldn't you think he was a bit...well, screwy? or just pure certifiably insane?
also, what do the "islamic extremists" and other terrorists mostly claim to be the reason for their attacks? ill tell you what:
1. hate of america (obvious reason, its because of all the bombs)
2. it is the word of God (or Allah, or equivalent).
funny that...
January 11th, 2007 at 11:32 amComparing Bush to Hitler shows just why most people think you are loony extremists. Do you really need the list? No, it would be a waste of time. Before the list of things Hitler did could even be listed here the mother ship will be here to pick you up.
Seriously, these are the things that are just so funny I find it hard to believe you people are for real. Then every one and a while I run into one of you. So sad.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pmWhy would anyone believe that, all of a sudden, this administration has the right answer?
January 11th, 2007 at 2:05 pmHow many more innocent people, while not the loved ones of those ready to send someone else's child to war, have to die?
This is not about the ego of politics. This is about human life. When I see the loved ones of members of this administration and the politicans who rubber stamp their decisions, along with people who are so ready and eager to call those who are against the war (who, by the way, are the ones who are really fighting for the health and well-being of military personnel and their families) unpatriotic and cowards, enlist to go to Iraq, then maybe I'll believe THEY honestly think this is a viable plan. Until then, this is an immoral and hateful use of human life.
Things that Hitler did.
Things that Bush hasn't done...yet.
That article made the point that Bush could be on the way to becoming another Hitler. it made some stark comparisons between the two. but now im an extremist for some reason.
i did not state "Bush = Hitler" and neither did the article. but you have to admit, its scarily similar.
January 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pmHey you Think Progress people
I hope everyone is ok. I watched some of the way forward stuff on the telly, but it allmost made me hurl. George was looking pretty despondent and rightfully so. It would be worth no amount of money to be in his shoes in these days. He asked for it though, when he told Micky Herkowitz that he wanted to be the War President in 1999, and that he wanted to go to war with Iraq. Every president who was somebody, was famous because he was a presiden't during a war. yep...Dubya got his wish. All it took was a bunch loonies from the PNAC, and the sacrifice of the World Trade Center.
And...Here he is, a mentally challenged and incompetent excuse for a human bean, trying to be the commander in chief of the most powerful country on the planet, and with a bunch of advisers and script writers, that could very well be from another part of the universe. If you don't believe me take a good look at Paul Wolfowitz and Condoleeza Rice.
As everybody knows...Allmost every government position is filled with a member or affiliate of the PNAC. Anyhoo Dubya can't speak worth a damn, so they had to rig him up with a few high tech devices so it would look like he could. He avoids press conferences like the plague, because that requires thought, even when using his hearing device. There are too many times that he doesn't understand the word, and sometimes he obviously waits too long between sentences.
Anyway, it's just about over for Dubya. If we can't get him impeached he will probably lose it anyway. It's really a sad affair, but I have zero sympathy for him. He is in the wrong place at the wrong time because he wanted to be there, and the whole planet is in danger because of what was done for oil, money, and power.
January 11th, 2007 at 9:17 pmIMPEACH!!!
January 12th, 2007 at 6:13 am"IMPEACH!!!"
January 12th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThe World Can't Wait!
The war is so very popular, they're now recruiting gays, old women (40+) & even sent out notices to DEAD guys. Now THAT is getting desperate
Pretty soon they will have to DRAFT people out of mental wards, pre-school & even Bush's twins & Cheney's gay daugter
Bush will likely send the troops over to Baghdad LONG b-4
January 12th, 2007 at 2:57 pmCongress ever gets around to a Vote, so the dice are rolled.
How are our guys supposed to train the Iraqis, if WE DO NOT speak their Arab language? Do we have thousands of guys as translators? Do we have interpreters on each soldier's back?
It is Mission Impossible over there, & our boys s/b here watching football & eating hotdogs, instead of being shot at by nut case Arabs & Iraqi pyro-maniacs. Just being used for live target practice. Not a good scenario.
Speaking of Hitler & Bush ---it is FACT that Prescott Bush, ("W"s grandpa) was among financiers of the Third Reich, in WWII. He traded with IG Farber, biggest industrial corp in Germany back then, which built all the concentration camps & Zyklon gas used to kill the Jews in the ovens. Gpa Bush kept on aiding Hitler till US govt stopped him with the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1942.
Then, the Skull & Bones (at Yale) that both Daddy Bush & W (Jr) belonged to, was named after the deaths head insignia on Nazi SS caps.
But even worse are the multitudes of Fascist policies out of this admin.
Propaganda 24/7
Control of media
Military aggression around the world, used to acquire resources.
Suppress Dissent
Leader = Dictator
Suspend Rights of the People
Rigging Elections
Reichstag Fire =
9/11 WTC attack
Just the tip of the iceberg w/Bush.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI found this on the PNAC website this am.
Here's a letter to congress from two years ago, that seems to be asking for a lot of the things that Bush & Co. are attempting to put in place today.
The PNAC also seems to be concerned by Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that places the power and the duty to raise and support the military forces of the United States in the hands of the Congress.
I wonder what kind of letter that they are going to send the new Democratic congress and senate?
PNAC
January 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmHello Geezer Power:
I agree PNAC is 1 of groups assisting the global effort to "spread democracy" abroad, despite they are destroying it right here. This is so contradictory, that you have to learn it is a lying subversive ruse. We agree it is a group behind Bush 100% & influencing this admin's policies.
PNAC is also one group behind the coming MERGER of US with Canada & Mexico due to occur in 2010
They sound almost bland, & comforting, in the letter U sent which asks increase of our military by 25,000 EACH YEAR.
They will have to recruit from the old people's homes soon, to get that amt of soldiers. (ha)
Say, Geezer, if U are near my age, 60,
we both recall WWII. So we have enough sense to distrust the Fascist policies of Bush & PNAC. Or at least the sense to recognize it.
I am newbie to the Net, so would you tell me where to find you (on another thread of this web site)? I think this one is losing force for the moment.
Any "link" I can use to find the new topic of the day?
Thanks. And also hello to greener & a couple of others who were here yesterday.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:51 am[...] This week, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) introduced a resolution requiring President Bush to gain new congressional authorization before escalating the War in Iraq. [...]
January 14th, 2007 at 10:59 am[...] This week, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) introduced a resolution requiring President Bush to gain new congressional authorization before escalating the War in Iraq. [...]
January 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pm[...] “The legislation,” Kennedy’s office claims, “claims the people’s right to a full voice in the President’s plan to send mroe troops into the Iraq civil war. It says that no funds can be spent to send additional troops to Iraq unless Congress approves the President’s proposed escalation of American forces.” [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 2:49 am[...] President Bush’s plan for escalating the war in Iraq has begun and, barring an intervention from Congress, over 20,000 more U.S. troops will soon be in the crossfire of a brutal civil war. [...]
January 16th, 2007 at 10:36 am[...] bush salutes congress this week, sen. ted kennedy introduced a resolution requiring president bush to gain new congressional authorization before escalating the war in iraq. president bush, however, says that he is going to send more troops to iraq no matter what congress does. - think progress with a link to tonight’s 60 minutes [...]
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