Kennedy Introduces Bill Requiring Congressional Approval For Iraq Escalation
Kennedy Introduces Bill Requiring Congressional Approval For Iraq Escalation
Today, Sen. Ted Kennedy will introduce the first legislation demanding accountability for President Bush’s Iraq policy. Kennedy’s bill will require the president to gain new congressional authority before escalating the war in Iraq. Below, a summary of the bill from Kennedy’s office:
The legislation requires the Congress to vote before the President escalates troop levels in Iraq.
The legislation claims the people’s right to a full voice in the President’s plan to send more troops into the Iraq civil war. It says that no funds can be spent to send additional troops to Iraq unless Congress approves the President’s proposed escalation of American forces.
The Iraq War Resolution of 2002 authorized a war against the regime of Saddam Hussein because he was believed to have weapons of mass destruction and an operational relationship with Al Qaeda, and was in defiance of U.N. Security Council Resolutions.
The mission of our armed forces today in Iraq no longer bears any resemblance to the mission authorized by Congress.
Iraq has descended into civil war and sectarian violence continues to escalate. …
President Bush should not be permitted to increase the number of United States troops in harm’s way in the civil war without a specific new authorization from Congress.
ThinkProgress has obtained a copy of the bill, which you can read HERE.
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What has this resolution got to do with Chappaquidick? Er, nothing. Ok trolls, carry on..
January 9th, 2007 at 11:09 amand what happens when Bush vetoes the bill?
What if Bush sends in the troops before the bill gets to his desk?
What if Bush sits on the bill, sends in the troops, then vetoes the bill?
What if Bush vetoes the bill, and sends in the troops before Congress overrides the vetoe?
What if Bush signs the bill, and issues a signing statement that he considers it to be advisory?
January 9th, 2007 at 11:14 amFinally a little accountability…Kennedy rocks.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:17 amThree outcomes possible:
1: The bill fails to pass (the most overwhelmingly probable outcome).
2: The bill passes, Chimpy vetoes it, bill fails to pass over veto.
3: The bill passes, Chimpy vetos it, bill passes over veto, Chimpy signs it into law, only to sneak back later and attach one of his famous ’signing statements’, stating that as Commander-in-Chief, he can do whatever he wants ‘in the interests of national security’, Congress be damned.
In other words, whatever happens, nothing will change.
Folks, if a President thinks he can issue ’signing statements’ that enable him to ignore the will of Congress, no law is going to rein him in. Impeachment is the only answer at this point…it is Congress’ duty initiate impeachment proceedings…if they fail, they are every bit as guilty of violating their Oath of Office as Chimpy is.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:17 amWe know where Lieberman,and McCain stand on this one.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:22 amhmm but shouldn’t he introduce a bill to end these blasted ’signing statements’ first.
otherwise Cimpy can go along with everything but still say and do whatever the heck he wants
January 9th, 2007 at 11:23 amIt’s a preemptive strike. Put this with Fiengold’s request for Bush to explain his latest signing statement and accountability is placed in the forefront.
Sure not like the old days with the 109th blind as a bat, do as they like congress.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amot, but clearly the mouse is ratcheting up their hate campaign:
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January 9th, 2007 at 11:27 amA better bill would be to send Bush and his thugs to the Hague for crimes against humanity trials.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:30 amAs others have noted, in and of itself, this may not get Bush to do anything about ending the occupation of Iraq. However, it helps draw the line in the sand and apply a little more pressure. Anything to keep the issue on the front page, on the TV screens, and on the blogs helps propel the grassroots movement. It also may help set the stage for impeachment with more props.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:34 amLooks like Kennedy is trying to make himself look good. This bill will go no ware. I’m assuming he got the idea from a bar napkin.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:36 amKevin
No, maybe from bar “ware”, though. Either way, I’ll drink a toast to the idea.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amKevin, why do you hate American troops? Seriously, in your opinion, why is this not a good idea? Simply because it’s Ted Kennedy?
January 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amEvery day Bush is in office the lives of Americans here and abroad are at risk. If for no other reason than his existing track record of utter incompetence, it’s time to impeach for the political, moral, and constitutional reason of protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
If you’re not for impeachment now, are you waiting for another 9/11, Katrina, or Iraq to change your mind? Unfortunately we will all suffer while the fence sitters collect ever more evidence of this man’s total incompetance.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:46 amHere’s part 1 of a comment I made earlier on Ablog:
In the tough neighborhood where I grew up in the sixties and seventies, there was a word, that some kids used, for kids who were always scared and never stood up for themselves: Punk.
I posted a comment here yesterday about how I have been trying (in my posts) to find ways to inspire people to work together to find real, lasting, solutions to some of the problems we are facing. But, that I am not very hopeful that enough people are standing up strongly against the surge plan. And that it looks like I will be joining the chorus of blame and start directing my comments toward the people, working for the government/ corporations/and main stream media, who have not enough to stop this madness.
So, I watched the second part of Hardball with Chris Matthews last night. I have watched enough Hardball in the past, to have a feel for the show.
Mr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans. I believe he is nothing more than an apologist for the failures of the administration. The democrats have been in control of the house and senate for what, four days? Yet Mr. Matthews is going out of his way to lay the ground work to place blame, on the democrats. At one point, he said something to effect of; are they all talk or will the democrats cut funding for the war. He made a big deal about the day off yesterday. He implied it was no different than what the republicans did. Mr. Matthews said it was because of the game, but I did not hear him say anything about the freshman members being in training yesterday.
Mr. Matthews, this is not a game.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amI’m all for Kennedy trying to look good if he’s standing up and demanding accountability.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amIn the tough neighborhood where I grew up in the sixties and seventies, there was a word, that some kids used, for kids who were always scared and never stood up for themselves: Punk.
I posted a comment here yesterday about how I have been trying (in my posts) to find ways to inspire people to work together to find real, lasting, solutions to some of the problems we are facing. But, that I am not very hopeful that enough people are standing up strongly against the surge plan. And that it looks like I will be joining the chorus of blame and start directing my comments toward the people, working for the government/ corporations/and main stream media, who have not enough to stop this madness.
So, I watched the second part of Hardball with Chris Matthews last night. I have watched enough Hardball in the past, to have a feel for the show.
Mr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans. I believe he is nothing more than an apologist for the failures of the administration. The democrats have been in control of the house and senate for what, four days? Yet Mr. Matthews is going out of his way to lay the ground work to place blame, on the democrats. At one point, he said something to effect of; are they all talk or will the democrats cut funding for the war. He made a big deal about the day off yesterday. He implied it was no different than what the republicans did.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:50 am[…] STORY […]
January 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amDING! DING! DING! We have a winnah! Step right up and take your prize: Accountability, or Checks and Balances — your choice.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:59 am*
Here are three toll-free numbers you can use to call your own members of Congress right now, 800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803, and tell them NO ESCALATION.
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January 9th, 2007 at 12:04 pmhttp://www.peaceteam.net/no_escalation.php
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Finally a little accountability…Kennedy rocks.
The only thing that Ted Kennedy does is drink Booze and get Drunk and KILL woman!!!!!
The President doesn’t need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops… He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and Congress already PASSED a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThis isn’t a challenge, btw. This is the expected response to the 30,000 troop challenge Bush threw out the minute he saw that he wouldn’t get a free ride from Congress.
Bush will lose his challenge. Congress will pass Kennedy’s bill easily, for one reason - it defends Congress’ own authority, and self-aggrandisement is every politician’s priority. It’s a softball shot that the knee-jerk media will turn into a political homerun.
Then, Bush will have to decide on whether to whine like a little kid and stamp his feet hoping that his 23% popularity is louder that the rest of the increasingly pissed off country, or face increasing rounds of questioning from Congress who, after a long layoff, has rediscovered the word “why?”
Karl Rove isn’t a genius, he’s a freaking idiot. Every decision maker looks like a genius when they live in a vaccuum, and posing the troop increase was a dumbass move for someone who isn’t getting a free ride anymore. The right political answer was the only option they had left - ignore the war detractors altogether. Ignorance had got them to where they were, they needed to stick to it.
Now that it’s been proven possible to shake them, there’ll be a whole lotta shakin’ going on. This administration is over. Toast. Finis.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFolks, if a President thinks he can issue ’signing statements’ that enable him to ignore the will of Congress, no law is going to rein him in. Impeachment is the only answer at this point…it is Congress’ duty initiate impeachment proceedings…if they fail, they are every bit as guilty of violating their Oath of Office
Slick Willy was the only Elected President ever Impeached!!!!! He Lied under Oath and was Ordered to pay Paula Jones $850.000.00 and he lost his Law License. He only stayed in Office because Congress didn’t have the BALLS to REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe proposal strikes me as good policy but there may be a catch. Even if it passes and somehow clears the veto hurdle - is it Constitional?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWow, did MA have (another?) sex change operation?
Hey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:19 pmA better bill would be to send Bush and his thugs to the Hague for crimes against humanity trials.
What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people. Bush is fighting AGAINST the Terrorists…. Again, we see how the Left Wing Liberal Communist have Selective Amnesia. There is NOT enough MONEY in this world for me to ever become a DEMONCRAT!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIf Bush vetos the bill, he is going against the will of the people. If he approves it with an added signing statement indicating he can send troops anyway, he is going against the will of the people.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHis reaction to this bill in addition to the reaction to Waxman’s & Obey’s requests for documents, and the results of the upcoming investigations are what will bring the criminals in this administration down.
I suggest rewatching “All the Presidents Men”. Persistence and patience is required - we’ll do it right this time to make sure these crooks don’t resurrect themselves again.
Hey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
No kidding, Jane. Compare: the extensive powers over the military and its uses explicitly granted to Congress in Article I Section 8, or a vague, expansive interpretation of the phrase “commander-in-chief” in Article II. Which one takes Constitutional precedence is pretty damned clear.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI wonder where murderer Ted’s other hand is in that picture. Wrapped around himself or a bottle. The fact that this pig is still in office makes me sick. He Democrats, before you go after the Republicans to clean house start with you own. The killed a long time ago.
Yes Terry, we are never going to forget.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGreg is the one with selective amnesia–what does Iraq have to do with 9/11, Greg?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGreg Nevins: “The President doesn’t need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops… He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and Congress already PASSED a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!! ”
Easy, Greg, easy. The authorization was that Bush would go to war as a last resort after getting a second UN resolution. Bush was also supposed to come back every 60 days to provide more evidence of the threat the Hussein regime to our country. Bush hasn’t lived up to his part of the authorization. In addition, the constitution clearly states that authorized war funding is good for 2 years. Greg, some of us believe the cowardly thing to do is to trash our constitution because we’re afraid. You evidently are part of this freightened group of unfortunate Americans.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmGreg Nevins: “What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people.”
Yes, Greg, what about those guys? Where is Osama bin laden, anyway? Last I heard, he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora when your dear leader pulled almost everyone away to attack Iraq.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“What about the Terrorists that attacked the U. S. on 9/11 and KILLED over 3,000 Innocent people.”
They are dead.
“Bush is fighting AGAINST the Terrorists”
Bush is fighting no one. He is sending other people’s kids to Iraq to kill or be killed by people who had nothing to do with 9/11.
How many Iraqis were involved in 9/11?
Answer: None.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmGreg Nivens: “He only stayed in Office because Congress didn’t have the BALLS to REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE!!!!!!! ”
No, he stayed in office because there were not enough votes in the Senate to convict him. Senators were not convinced that lying about a personal affair was an impeachable offense. Greg, you need to calm down and enter the real world, where there are actually facts. You seem to be stuck in some kind of right-wing bullshit limbo.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmGreg: 15 Saudis, a couple of Egyptians and a couple of guys from United Emerites. NO IRAQIS! WTF are you talking about?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:33 pmCan we please get smarter trolls? Seriously … the ones in this thread are simply comical.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe only thing that Bush does is drink Booze and get Drunk and KILL woman and children!!!!!
The “re-President” will need authoriztion from Congress to send more troops… He is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces but the Neocon Congress GOOFED with a Resolution giving the President Authority to send troops to Iraq. Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you NEOCON CHICKENHAWKS!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007
January 9th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThis is great! Our dictatorial president must be resisted on this, whether or not Kennedy’s bill has the desired effect.
But lost in the controversy over ~20,000 additional troops who haven’t gone to Iraq is the fate of 140,000 troops already there. To these men and women we say, Keep on keepin’ on…however long Bush wants you in Iraq, we’ll see that he has the money to do it…all in the name of “providing the funds you need.”
On Sunday morning, Speaker Pelosi trotted out the timeworn excuse for continued support of the US occupation of Iraq as follows: “Although the new Congress should not refuse to provide the funds that the troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan need…†and “The American people and the Congress support those troops. We will not abandon them.â€
On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Reid said:
WASHINGTON - In a blunt challenge to President Bush, the leader of the Senate’s new Democratic majority said Monday he will “look at everything” within his power to wind down the war in Iraq, short of cutting off funding for troops already deployed.
Until there is real opposition to the quagmire, these pledges of continued funding tell me that our new leadership is quite willing to “stay the course.” If the proposed escalation is defeated, fine, but that leaves our involvement in Iraq right where it’s been…Not good enough!
Dennis Kucinich said: “Each appropriations vote gives the President ‘implied consent’ to continue the war. So it is clear that this war is not only the President’s. This war belongs to Congress as well, to Democrats and Republicans alike, in the House and in the Senate.”
Giving the troops “the funds they need” is cover for maintaining the status quo.
US military involvement in Vietnam didn’t end until Congress turned off the money tap. The result?…the troops were brought home, they weren’t “abandoned.”
Our new leadership’s eagerness to promise “support for the troops” stinks of the fear of appearing “weak on defense”…the same fear that gave Bush the AUMF and every appropriation since then…a fear born of concern for political survival, not American interests.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf Democrats can’t buck up now, fresh on the heels of a voter call for change, and 26% public backing for the president’s conduct of the war, then when?
Bush doesn’t have a choice. He can’t veto it, because Congress decides who we wage war on. Check this phrase:
“with intent to violate the Constitution of the United States”
Recognize that (1868)?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“Wow, did MA have (another?) sex change operation?”
Comment by JaneESchneider
******Jane, I can certainly see why Wayne thinks you’re sooo humourous! When I see Ted “Breast Stroke” Kennedy begin making pronouncements over life and death, I get all warm and fuzzy inside.
DM, I don’t see how Senator Swimmers’ bill passes the Senate. And Las Vegas Louie reminds of the VETO power…..and I don’t them over-riding a veto……Hmmmm….
January 9th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“Keep Drinkin and Dreamin you LEFT WING LIBERAL COWARDS!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins”
Say Greg, when are you and the rest of the heroic 101 Keyboardist heading down to the local recruting office?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmUh, Greg you are defending an Ivy League male cheerleader whose wife comitted vehicular homicide. Watch that glass house dude.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pmHi Greg please don’t you forget to take your meditation, oopps,….MEDICATION…..
Matrix red pill recommended….the one that awakens persons from virtual reality.Red…resembling the color of the repugnican party….
The matrix says, Greggy, that 911 was an inside job.You agree?
January 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe proposal strikes me as good policy but there may be a catch. Even if it passes and somehow clears the veto hurdle - is it Constitional?
Comment by pgl
An authorization of force is not a Declaration of War. The Presidents have only been getting away with killing people without a Declaration of War because Congress lets them. Bush has no leg to stand on. He cant say we are in War so he can do as he pleases. We are NOT in war. Until war is declared Congress can play this inbetween peace and war game either way they want.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhat’s funnier than shit is that you, Greg, support a party that got it’s ass KICKED by people that you consider unfit for office. Guess you can whine and cry as we put this country back on track despite the efforts of America haters like you to destroy this great nation.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmMA, it’s so nice to be able to count on your objective views on proposed legislation. I’ll ask you the same thing that I asked Kevin, which of course he never answered: Why do you hate our troops? Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops’ lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE? Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago? Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it? Or is it “All Ted Kennedy, All the Time” with you?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHm, let’s see if I got the math correct here:
There are currently about 140,000 troops in Iraq.
In addition, there are more than 100,000 contractors (not counting sub-contractors) in the country, according to the WaPo - many, if not most of them working not in reconstruction, but in security.
Bush wants to increase the troops by 20,000, which is therefore not 1/6, but more in the neighborhood of 1/8 of the current level.
If these 20,000 should be fighting troops, there would be at least 60,000 more required for admin. / support purposes for this contingent.
If not, most likely not more than 5,000 would be actually ‘walking the beat’ (= getting blown into bits and pieces).
And all this should help - how?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pmY’all need to lay off MA (My Ass) and Gregg ( Gregorama) they understand the need for good Americans to support this last ditch effort to save my ass..er, I mean our national honor. Y’all are going right out and enlisting in Our crusade..today…aren’t you. You know baby Jesus loves you for Your sacrifice…Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or in my case the Air National Guard. I protected our homeland, so should you.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pmLet’s face it folks!!!
THE MAJORITY of REPUBLICANS are COWARDS and most that yell that LIBERALS are COWARDS, usually come up with some LAME excuse about whay they can’t or won’t support THEIR commander in chief!
But isn’t it a peach for them to go back several years and look for a plausible excuse??? Okay, CLINTON MAY NOT have been the best MORAL president, but hey that’s for him and his wife to decide! American casualties as a result of his affair? Zero - Zip - Nada!!!
But, ole DUMBYA goes into a war without a plan and under false pretenses, and all of the reasons that have nothing to do with the MAJORITY of the trolls arguments…Then when they have no PLAUSIBLE answer, they attack success or the past??? Because of his IDIOTIC reasoning, we have lost 3,000+ soldiers!
Can someone help me with this strategy? And we wonder why this IDIOT (BUSH) thinks he can do the things he does!
But hey Greg! I put it to ANY REPUBLICAN on this board or any other BLOG! If you want to support the war, then I have friends who are waiting in Ft. Sill, OK or ANY local recruiting office!!! Or we can meet one-on-one for combat training and we can truly see where your heart is at! I LAID DOWN THE CHALLENGE before and I challenge you or ANY REPUBLICAN P***y that wants to prove their dedication by enduring ONE WEEK of BASIC training! Now, call my bluff! All I need is a week, and I’ll have you yelling for your mama!
So, take my advice…keep your BS confined to a keyboard punk! Because guys like you, BUSH, CHENEY, BOENER, HASTERT, RUMSFELD, RICE, MA, etc. always hide behind REAL men and women who serve, and disgrace the deaths of those who didn’t back down from a fight!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmaccountability MA, weren’t you all for it? Here’s a bill requesting it. You’ve posted earlier that your all for oversight and accountability and now you trash the first real effort for it.
Is this flip flopping or just blind partisan political sucide. No middle road. Are you for accountability or against it?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmthe reason I ask again Mighty, is because you change your words more than GW has changed the rationale to fight this conflict.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pmEvery day Bush is in office the lives of Americans here and abroad are at risk. If for no other reason than his existing track record of utter incompetence, it’s time to impeach for the political, moral, and constitutional reason of protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
The President can only be Impeached FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!!! The President is doing his job as Commander-in-Chief. Slick Willy was the ONLY ELECTED President to be IMPEACHED — and don’t forget it you Left Wing Liberal Idiot!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pmOK, Kennedy-haters, Ted Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic. We got that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says. George W. Bush is also a reformed alcoholic. Let’s not forget that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says.
Whose position is morally responsible and Constitutionally sound?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pmMr. Matthews does his best to make it sound like the Democrats are no different than the republicans.
Chris Matthews is a screaming Left Wing Liberal!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#47 - Jane asks:
“Why do you hate our troops?”
******I hate our enemies and want them dead. Not reformed, not reconstituted - dead. I want our troops, whom I respect more than you can conceive, to kill enemies when found and train Iraqis to take care of themselves - if that can be done. Their culture is a serious impediment to self-governance.
“Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops’ lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE?”
*******A predictable loaded question - I want more troops to secure the capital - hopefully there are enough Iraqi’s who desire a better life for themselves and are willing to work for their freedom.
“Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago?”
*******This is your opinion - which I do not hold in high regard. I supported many aspects of the Clinton administration’s efforts, but found them completely inept in dealing with North Korea and terrorists. “Pitiful” and “impotent” are the words that leap to mind when I consider WTC-I, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc. Why did you support their incompetency?
“Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it?”
*******I could care less who proposed such an aborted plan. If Chuck Hagel, former Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, or Olympia Snowe proposed such an incomplete plan I would be in opposition.
When I bring up Ted “Breast Stroke” it is only because this “man” does not have the moral compass to stay out of public. This foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE. And if he wants to put himself on display, he’s fair game.
Tooodles…til later…….
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#54
See #40
Either way, it’s over.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm* Waiter ! Waiter ! I will have another malt scotch straight up please
better make that a double . * Comment by Las Vegas Louie
*********TOOOOOOO funnny!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#50, Iraq Vet, Semper Fi man. Glad you’re home. #53…please.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmSenators were not convinced that lying about a personal affair was an impeachable offense. Greg, you need to calm down and enter the real world, where there are actually facts. You seem to be stuck in some kind of right-wing bullshit limbo.
Please get your facts straight and stop using Smoke and Mirrors!!!! Clinton was IMPEACHED because HE LIED UNDER OATH in a Court Proceeding. That my friend is a CRIME punishable by JAIL TIME!!!! Perjury is a FELONY!!!! He lied in the Paula Jones Sexual Harrassment Lawsuit which had nothing to do with him ABUSING HIS POWER AS PRESIDENT and getting BJ’s in the Oval Office from an intern named Monica Lewinsky…. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE MAKING AN ASS OF YOURSELF!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDear Iraq-VET - Both the Aphrodite’s are vets. My husband was a Marine and I was in the Navy - We appreciate your service and KNOW you appreciate our right to disagree with you.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmLike I said, a PUNK hiding behind a keyboard!
Okay, GREG! I know you are a p***y, and as for SLICK WILLY, YOU conveniently forgot that (Tricky Dick) NIXON was IMPEACHED and REMOVED from his position, along with AGNEW and many others!
So, be careful with your words, or try research! I know that one might be hard for ya! But, seeing as YOU support and IDIOT, I know that short yellow bus ride must have been traumatic for you!
I apologize for my oversight!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI seez a cornstytwoshunnal cryseas kummin…
January 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pmhellinabucket #51
I guess you aren’t going to get an answer, even though an earlier AND a later post got responded to you. No real surprise.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:38 pmBush will lose his challenge. Congress will pass Kennedy’s bill easily, for one reason - it defends Congress’ own authority, and self-aggrandisement is every politician’s priority.
Congress WILL NOT PASS any Bill proposed by a Known Drunk and Murderer!!!! George Bush already has the Authority to send more troops to Iraq and he doesn’t need the approval from Congress….. They already GAVE IT TO HIM MORONS!!!!!!
Now that it’s been proven possible to shake them, there’ll be a whole lotta shakin’ going on. This administration is over. Toast. Finis.
The only thing your going to see in Washington, D.C. is GRIDLOCK in Congress and VETOES by President Bush. The REPUBLICANS still RULE the White House!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:38 pmY’all think he can drink? Shoot man, what with all the coke I used to snort off of the tits of my favorite nigra prositutes I could go all night….But baby Jesus healed me….and Laura…and he’s gonna heal Dick’s lesbo daughter too, you’ll see
January 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHey, Greg, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to rip up?
Dear Jane, I am NOT in favor of tearing up any part of our Constitution. George Bush is upholding the U. S. Constitution just fine and doing a DAMN good job inspite of all you screaming Left Wing Liberals Nuts!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWhy did you support their incompetency?
Reagan was the most incompetent - until Bush came along. Unless you judge competency by the willingness to betray America and Americans to achieve a short-term goal. How “competent” was Bush senior, giving the go-ahead to Saddam to invade Kuwait, and setting into motion the events that culminated in today’s civil war? Or the “competance” shown by the doddering Reagan. At least Carter tried to rescue the hostages - Reagan sold terrorists weapons to secure their release, and in so doing, revealed himself as a moral coward to the muslim world, willing to appease those who held Americans hostage, and in turn, spurring more hostage taking.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pm“My husband was a Marine and I was in the Navy…”
Comment by mighty aphrodite #62
CORRECTION:
“My husband was a Marine and I DID the Navy…”
…Revisionist history has NO place on this thread….
January 9th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWhere is Osama bin laden, anyway? Last I heard, he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora when your dear leader pulled almost everyone away to attack Iraq.
If we knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding…. he would be DEAD already IDIOT!!!!
Last I Heard Do you have a little mouse in your pocket or do you hear voices telling you this shit!!!! Go back and have another glass of KOOL AID SIR!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIraqVet
Actually, Nixon was not impeached. Although articles of impeachment were written, they were not acted upon because Nixon resigned first.
Greg Nevins
Impeachment is like a grand jury indictment. It says a trial can go forth. Clinton was not removed from office because the post-impeachment hearing did not have sufficient evidence to convince Senators to do so. As for Clinton being guilty of perjury, IMHO he was not because perjury involves more than lying under oath. The subject of that lie must be relevant to the issue of the trial. Clinton’s consentual affair had nothing to do with the sexual harrassment charge. Further, it’s questionable that he even lied because he responded using the definitions supplied by the prosecutor. And the end of the day, though, SO WHAT?? Bush’s screwing our Constitution and getting our troops killed is massively more immoral.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmGeorge Bush is upholding the U. S. Constitution just fine and doing a DAMN good job inspite of all you screaming Left Wing Liberals Nuts!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins —
And when Hillary is elected in’08, you’ll be fine with her having the same ability to open your mail? To listen in on your phone? We’ll probably still be at war, so it will be in the national interest, right?
January 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThen, if your neighbor dissappears at night into a black van, you won’t bitch?
Ok, let’s take the money that we are spending in Iraq and redirect it towards ending global hunger. That way the senate can get what they want, and according to the Borgen Project, we’ll only spend $19 billion anually compared to the $300+ billion we have spent on this war thus far. It’s time to support the Millennium Development goals which were agreed on by politicians globally- and one of those includes ending global poverty.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmGreg: 15 Saudis, a couple of Egyptians and a couple of guys from United Emerites. NO IRAQIS! WTF are you talking about?
I would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists….. Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDennis Kucinich said: “Each appropriations vote gives the President ‘implied consent’ to continue the war. So it is clear that this war is not only the President’s. This war belongs to Congress as well, to Democrats and Republicans alike, in the House and in the Senate.â€
The only Intelligent words that have come out of his mouth in the last 10 years!!!! Maybe he has given up the Alcohol…. Maybe Ted Kennedy could learn something about SOBRIETY!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThis foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
why do you say that? seriously, what is your reasoning?
nothing cutesy, just straight talk, please…
January 9th, 2007 at 1:59 pmBig gun battle on the streets of Baghdad this morning, lasting 12 hours. Reportedly 50 “insurgents” were killed and US and Iraqi troops were under fire.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWere the “insurgents” Sunni-Iraqis? Were the Iraqi troops with the US troops Shiite-Iraqis?
The govt tells us that Al Qaeda is inserted within the Sunnis — do we believe them? How would one know a Sunni from a Shiite from an AlQaeda? Wasn’t this a battle of civil war that we were engaged in? We have apparently taken sides in the civil war; we have joined the Shiites, against their fellow countrymen, and we have simply participated in trading off one group of domestic terrorists for another.
The puppet govt in Iraq is using Americans to help them beat back the Sunnis in this war of revenge.
Isn’t it apparent to everyone now - even the chimp in the white house?
Yesterday the bodies of seven “insurgents” were hung from lampposts in Baghdad.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIf this isn’t civil war what is?
PLC, never do really expect an honest answer from flighty far righty. Would love to hear from some of her fellow Naval Officers on what she was really like. I mean how well did she handle se(a)men.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pm#74 Katie your naivety is astounding. The reason we laugh at liberals is because they have these great images of Shangri-La but always forget that in the real world things don’t work that way.
End global hunger? Hmmm, how much money goes to North Korea where those people are starving? Oh that’s right. The mentally ill dictator will let his people starve so he can make a bigger army. How much money went to Iraq under Saddam for humanitarian reasons (UN, Oil for food)? Oh, that’s right, he needed a few more palaces.
This is the real world.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pmBush doesn’t have a choice. He can’t veto it, because Congress decides who we wage war on. Ch
President Bush DOES NOT need approval from Congress to send more troops to Iraq. The Congress already gave him the APPROVAL to Invade Iraq. He is Commander-in-Chief and he decides how many troops will be sent to fight the War in Iraq!!!! The rest of you Left Wing Bobble Heads should go take a course in Government or at least read the Constitution!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists….. Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!! Comment by Greg Nevins
Bush has not opened up his Liebrary yet. How about if he resigns and gets it open two years early and we can all take a road trip to read all his wonderful documentation about the occupation of Iraq. I’d really be interested because I did not know that “My Pet Goat” was part of a series of historical treatises.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists…..
They were in the Kurdish areas. Saddam didn’t control that area.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmSay Greg, when are you and the rest of the heroic 101 Keyboardist heading down to the local recruting office?
Just as soon as you sign your sorry ass up to Fight in Iraq!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAnd Greg,
Really, we can’t have amnesia for something that we didn’t know happened, because it didn’t happen. You must have Selective Logic you use to create Selective Reality.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThe matrix says, Greggy, that 911 was an inside job.You agree?
I won’t even dignify this Ridiculous and Absurd Statement with a response. I suggest you see a psycharist for your PARANOIA ASAP!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:11 pmKatie your naivety is astounding.
Oh, Happy. Just buy her some flowers. This adolescent, pigtail-dunking-in-the inkwell stuff is more appropriately displayed on a men’s room wall.
And you two-dimensional world-view must be painful on the nose. Do you use a cane?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pmAnd Greg,
If Congress has the power to GIVE authorization for military force, it has the power to TAKE AWAY that authorization.
The President is an official of the executive branch. He executes the will of the people through their representatives in Congress. When Congress declares war, the President executes the war as Commander In Chief. He is not a dictator who can dictate when and how the military is used.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pm#63 IraqVet – You sir are wrong. You say check your facts but you have none. Nixon was not impeached. He stepped down from office before any impeachment hearing could be brought. He did not want to drag the country though the mud like the Clinton’s like to do.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pmWhat’s funnier than shit is that you, Greg, support a party that got it’s ass KICKED by people that you consider unfit for office. Guess you can whine and cry as we put this country back on track despite the efforts of America haters like you to destroy this great nation.
The Republicans WON the White House and Congress in 2000 and 2004 my friend so I have no idea what your talking about…. neither do YOU!!!! The Democrats won the House and Senate ONLY because they ran candidates that believed in all of the IDEALS of the REPUBLICAN PARTY as Democrats!!!! So you see MORON, the American people want Republicans RUNNING this Country…. Have another glass of KOOL AID!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAnd all this should help - how?
Comment by jay walker — January 9, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
It is very clear to me that you FAILED MATH in High School!!!!! Go back to school and try to PASS a BASIC MATH class this time around and stay off the BOOZE!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmNevins, go read the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. The bill that is being put forth is stating the situation in Iraq now does not resemble the authorization. The largest focus in the Authorization are as follows:
Enforce UN Resolutions done
The whole WMD thing done, not found, verified not there, hasn’t been for some time.
Remove Saddam I’m sure you’ve seen the video
The only thing ol GW has is Authorization to defend the national securtiy of the United states against the continuing threat posed by Iraq.
What threat does Iraq pose? Also within the Authorization are reports to congress every 60 days. The president is in violation of this. Also within the Authorization it’s stated that nohting in the resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
The President does not have the power to continually use our military forces on an emergency basis without proving the need.
I know you don’t like it but that’s not in the resolution either. So bitch all you want, and cry in a manner that is seen all thru the RedStates. It doesn’t change what binds the President thru the resolution.
Kennedy is wanting accountability. Why is that a bad thing?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmJust as soon as you sign your sorry ass up to Fight in Iraq!!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins
We’ve been the ones telling little cowards like you that it was wrong from the start. But no, you thought you could act out your video-game fantasies - without having to actually risk your ass - by supporting this corrupt enterprise, and now you think you have a right to tell others to join? Your mom must be very ashamed of the job she did raising you.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThe Democrats won the House and Senate ONLY because they ran candidates that believed in all of the IDEALS of the REPUBLICAN PARTY as Democrats!!!! So you see MORON, the American people want Republicans RUNNING this Country…. Have another glass of KOOL AID!!!!!! Comment by Greg Nevins
I assure you that Sherrod Brown, Democrat from Ohio, is certainly NOT supportive of the ideals of the Republican Party. If Ohioans wanted that they could have kept Mike DeWine, one of Bush’s big supporters….Talk about drinking the Kool-aid, you take yours by IV apparently.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:23 pmOK, Kennedy-haters, Ted Kennedy is a reformed alcoholic. We got that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says. George W. Bush is also a reformed alcoholic. Let’s not forget that fact. Now, let’s look at what he says.
Whose position is morally responsible and Constitutionally sound?
George W. Bush WINS that Hands Down… He is the Commander-in-Chief and making the Hard Decisions and trying to Protect this Country from the Islamists Terrorists that want to KILL US ALL!!!! You better wake up before they HIT THIS COUNTRY AGAIN!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmGet the Kennedy Bill up and see how they vote……
State Name Party Seniority Election
AK Ted Stevens R Sr 2008
January 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmAL Jefferson Sessions R Jr 2008
CO Wayne Allard R Sr 2008
GA C. Saxby Chambliss R Sr 2008
ID Larry Craig R Sr 2008
KS Pat Roberts R Jr 2008
KY Mitch McConnell R Sr 2008
ME Susan Collins R Jr 2008
MN Norm Coleman R Jr 2008
MS Thad Cochran R Sr 2008
NC Elizabeth Dole R Sr 2008
NE Charles Hagel R Sr 2008
NH John Sununu R Jr 2008
NM Pete Domenici R Sr 2008
OK James Inhofe R Sr 2008
OR Gordon Harold Smith R Jr 2008
SC Lindsey Graham R Sr 2008
TN Lamar Alexander R Jr 2008
TX John Cornyn R Jr 2008
VA John Warner R Sr 2008
WY Michael Enzi R Jr 2008
AR Mark Pryor D Jr 2008
DE Joseph Biden Jr. D Sr 2008
IA Tom Harkin D Jr 2008
IL Richard J. Durbin D Sr 2008
LA Mary Landrieu D Sr 2008
MA John Kerry D Jr 2008
MI Carl Levin D Sr 2008
MT Max Baucus D Sr 2008
NJ Frank Lautenberg D Jr 2008
RI John F. Reed D Sr 2008
SD Tim Johnson D Sr 2008
WV John Rockefeller, IV D Jr 2008
Whatever MA!
To support a blind IDIOT indicates that you would support the murders in HADITHA???
For ANY soldier who thinks that this war, battle, conflict can be won, then I say LET THEM FIGHT, and bring the rest home!
Otherwise, YOU are a SWIFTBOAT vet to tell me that ALL of our GENERALS are wrong and that DUMBYA is right!
But, YOU are correct! YOU do have the right to disagree! But foolish assumptions of grandeur because you had on a uniform does not make you a veteran, it only means you were there!
DUMBYA had on a uniform, but his COWARDICE showed his true colors! I think I am beginning to see yours as well!
SHOOT-MOVE-COMMUNICATE!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pm#91 Not just that Gregg. The Democrats had control of the House and Senate for more than 40 years. But after the embarrassment of the Clinton administration the country thought is was time to clean house. This should be done every once and a while anyway (whatever happen to term limits).
The last election was a wakeup reminder to the Republican to stop spending like Democrats. It won’t last long. The country is mostly red. Only the scum filled major cities are blue. After the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmHe did not want to drag the country though the mud like the Clinton’s like to do.
Comment by Happy Guy
Lucky Reagan: by being mentally incompetent, he was able to escape being the first republican to be impeached. Lawrence Walsh took pity on him, seeing his decrepit state, and thought he wouldn’t be any good on the stand, since Reagan kept veering off from reality, and into memories of his days as an actor.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWe have the reformed alcoholic Kennedy and we have the “dry drunk” Bush. Which one went through a program and sought professional help; which one says he quit the bottle with no help and doesn’t need any? Which one was involved in a tragic accident 40 years ago and used bad judgment in the follow up; which one has led this nation into war for personal gain based on lies and won’t listen to anyone who may tell him his thinking is wrongheaded?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI stand corrected!!!
NIXON resigned!!!
But the reasons??? Hmmmmm…
Could it be that he was caught commiting a crime? Or was it that he needed to spend more time with his family!
He would have been impeached and removed! But, in my haste, I overlooked the fact that he WAS NOT impeached, but I stand by the removal from office, because that was the inevitable outcome that would have occurred had he decided to fight the charges!
Thanks to everyone who pointed that out!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou better wake up before they HIT THIS COUNTRY AGAIN!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007
Crawl back under your bed. I think it’s dry now . . .
January 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmGreg Nevins: “I would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists….. Your lack of knowledge of History is Appalling!!!!! This is just another Left Wing Liberal NUT with Selective Amnesia!!!!!”
My, my aren’t we full of ourselves, Greg. You tell us, professor, when Hussein carried out the atrocities for which he was hung, who was his most powerful ally and who provided him with the chemical weapons necessary to carry out that atrocity?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmOkay, GREG! I know you are a p***y, and as for SLICK WILLY, YOU conveniently forgot that (Tricky Dick) NIXON was IMPEACHED and REMOVED from his position, along with AGNEW and many others!
So, be careful with your words, or try research! I know that one might be hard for ya! But, seeing as YOU support and IDIOT, I know that short yellow bus ride must have been traumatic for you!
Dear IraqVet, Once again your statemants are FALSE!!!!! Richard Nixon was NEVER IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE!!!! Spiro Agnew was NEVER IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE EITHER!!!! Both men RESIGNED from Office to save our Country any further Pain….. Slick Willy on the other hand REFUSED to resign from Office and put this Country through all of the Impeachment Proceedings… The Congress didn’t have the BALLS to REMOVE that SCUM BAG CLINTON from office.
So I believe that it is YOU that needs to do some RESEARCH Before you make a DAMN FOOL of yourself!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt’s laughable to see the trolls come out in force against Kennedy for legislation he proposes that is opposed to giving the boy-king whatever he wants simply because his name is Kennedy. (Obviously they can’t criticize the proposal too strongly. ) They prefer to dwell on a tragic event of 40 years ago while closing their eyes to the on-going tragedy of today.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHappy Guy: “Only the scum filled major cities are blue. After the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion.”
Happy Guy, you sound like you’re rooting for the terrorists.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pmGN, let me get this straight. Your saying the Democrats won the last elections because they were better at being republicans than republicans were. OK got. But if they voted for democrats knowing they were democrats but were liking what they were hearing isn’t that the same as voting for democrats? I’m sure your logic see’s it so clearly.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pmSo I believe that it is YOU that needs to do some RESEARCH Before you make a DAMN FOOL of yourself!!!!!
But notice how Nevins completely forgets about Reagan supporting terrorists.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmHe stepped down? Now it is YOU who need to check your facts! Why is it that everyone (including CLINTON) says they did nothing wrong?
Remember this Happy Guy, “I am not a crook!” Nixon on national TV, pledging to fight the charges, etc. Oh, yeah, right that was to spare the people from dragging the country through the mud! Man, get a clue!
BUSH is an IDIOT and he has dragged us through the mud for 6 years and put us in a war he can’t win!
DELAY is the BIGGEST CROOK on the block!
FOLEY is an admitted child molester!
NEY is going to jail!
CUNNINGHAM is just about there!
ABRAMOFF (Bush’s Buddy) is singing like a bird!
and
CHENEY is shooting people in the face while lying and cursing senators!
Yeah, that’s a definition of upstanding moral values for ya!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:38 pmBubble Boy Bush through his ineptitude helped Iran complete the Shia Crescent… which terrorist group do you think is a bigger threat to America and her security interests? Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda or Iran’s Shia Crescent? Better do your research…. before you answer.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI can’t worry about Greg, because he’s a punk! As I told him, REAL men admit their wrong and move on!
He still can’t find a way to support his IDIOT in CHIEF!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAfter the terrorists nuke a few major cities that will be the end of that discussion.
Comment by Happy Guy — January 9, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
So, you’re asking the terrorists to bomb cities that you think are occupied by progressives so that Republicans can take over the country. Hmmm. How very democratic of you.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists…..
They were in the Kurdish areas. Saddam didn’t control that area.
Dear Barfly, are you for real or are you just STUPID? Saddam Hussein Gased and KILLED Thousands of Kurds in the northern part of Iraq. Just proves that you Left Wing Liberals NUTS know nothing about HISTORY!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:43 pmSo, you’re asking the terrorists to bomb cities that you think are occupied by progressives so that Republicans can take over the country. Hmmm. How very democratic of you.
And they would greatly help make this a better Country. Do we really need places like San Francisco? Where SIN & EVIL are allowed to go on day after day… That City is another Sodom and Gomorah!!!! Republicans are the onlt Party that knows how to run the Government…..
January 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pmGN, let me get this straight. Your saying the Democrats won the last elections because they were better at being republicans than republicans were. OK got. But if they voted for democrats knowing they were democrats but were liking what they were hearing isn’t that the same as voting for democrats? I’m sure your logic see’s it so clearly.
The Democrats won control of the House and Senate in 2006 because they RAN “Blue Dog Democrats” — Democrats that believe in Republican Ideals and NOT the far LEFT Agenda like most of your Left Wing Liberal Communits!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#57: #47 - Jane asks:“Why do you hate our troops?â€
******I hate our enemies and want them dead. Not reformed, not reconstituted - dead. I want our troops, whom I respect more than you can conceive, to kill enemies when found and train Iraqis to take care of themselves - if that can be done. Their culture is a serious impediment to self-governance.
First of all, MA, it’s obvious that you are not one who supports a “culture of lifeâ€, since you so adamantly want someone to die. Second, being married to a vet, I respect our troops more than you could imagine being able to. Third, the goal of the soldier is to remove the enemy’s ability to make war.. If you can do that without killing anyone, it is considered far superior. Besides, dead men tell no tales. Live prisoners can be questioned. (Without being tortured, I might add.) But it’s apparent now from this last sentence that you hate their culture and wants them dead for it. Is that the problem?
“Why would you support an administration that would risk more and more troops’ lives SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SAVE FACE?â€
*******A predictable loaded question - I want more troops to secure the capital - hopefully there are enough Iraqi’s who desire a better life for themselves and are willing to work for their freedom.
First of all, that’s a big “hopefully” to risk more lives on, given the evidence to the contrary so far. Second, this escalation in forces (which is what it is) will not work, according to the vast majority of, well, everyone. The bad guys will do the same thing they did in all the other Iraqi cities, they’ll move out of Baghdad and wait for the heat to die down. They’ll return when the Americans leave, and since your glorious leader has no intentions of withdrawing troops from Iraq no matter how many die for his failed policy, this escalation will, in the end, amount to nothing more than murder.
“Why would you support an administration that is so totally incompetent that, if they were employed by a real boss, they would have been fired years ago?â€
*******This is your opinion - which I do not hold in high regard. I supported many aspects of the Clinton administration’s efforts, but found them completely inept in dealing with North Korea and terrorists. “Pitiful†and “impotent†are the words that leap to mind when I consider WTC-I, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc. Why did you support their incompetency?
It’s not just my opinion, it’s the opinion of a majority of the country (if the polls are to be believed.) The first WTC bombing happened mere weeks after Clinton took office. And the people who did it are sitting in jail now. What was so “pitiful†and “impotent†about that? The Republicans were not helpful when he wanted to respond to the African embassy bombings. And as for the USS Cole, Clinton has said that they did not get the official word that al Qaeda was responsible until just before he left office. He prepared a response to it and handed it off to the Bush administration who promptly ignored it. Until 9/11. Bush’s initial response to 9/11 was basically what the previous administration recommended be done in response to the Cole bombing.
“Would you have supported this legislation if a Republican had finally grown a set and proposed it?â€
*******I could care less who proposed such an aborted plan. If Chuck Hagel, former Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, or Olympia Snowe proposed such an incomplete plan I would be in opposition.
First, you didn’t oppose Bush’s invasion despite the fact that his ‘plan’ was so incomplete, it didn’t exist! Second, why continue with all the personal attacks against Senator Kennedy? If your problem is with the content of the proposed legislation, then how does attacking the one who proposed it make your argument any stronger? If you have a problem with the bill, then attack the bill as if Sen Hagel introduced it. Then no one can (rightly) accuse you of having your opinion of the bill swayed by your intense hatred of Sen Kennedy. Otherwise, you simply have no credible beef with it.
When I bring up Ted “Breast Stroke†it is only because this “man†does not have the moral compass to stay out of public. This foul example of character has no moral relevance. NONE. And if he wants to put himself on display, he’s fair game.
He is “on display†because the people of Massachusetts want him “on displayâ€. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t vote to send him back to Congress every six years. Both Bush and Cheney are even fouler “examples of characterâ€, yet you defend and support them vigorously. Sounds like you’re the one who needs her moral compass adjusted.
Tooodles…til later…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Noodles…’til the twelfth of never.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:49 pmI stand corrected!!!
NIXON resigned!!!
Thanks to everyone who pointed that out!
Comment by IraqVet
If only BushCo and the trolls could be so secure and humble as to admit mistakes.
You’re a good man, IraqVet
January 9th, 2007 at 2:53 pmGreg, I suggest you go over to Pollingreport.com and see for yourself how Americans feel about issues. Even with your limited intelligence and grasp of the issues, you will see that most Americans agree with Democrats on almost every single issue.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:54 pmBut notice how Nevins completely forgets about Reagan supporting terrorists.
Ronald W. Reagan was the BEST President of the 20th Century!!!! He brought down the Berlin Wall, brought an end to the Evil Empire of the USSR, he built up our Military after Carter had cut Defense spending so much that he couldn’t even rescue our Hostages in IRAN!!!! He gave this Country a TAX CUT that stimulated the economy and we are still feeling the effects of his tax cuts…. Georeg W. Bush is the Greatest President since Roanld W. Reagan!!!!!! Read it and WEEP — you GOOD FOR NOTHING Left Wing Liberal Idiots!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 2:54 pmGreg, I asked you a question and your just being rude. Are you standing by your statement that the only reason the democrats were elected because they were better republicans than the republicans?
Here’s another question that some on this posting find so hard to answer. Are you for or against accountability? If your’e against it than fine. If you are for this government to still be accountable to it’s citizens then answer how can you support this president.
You too muddy retro duddy. I will ask you another question. Did you retire because you were just full of se(a)men or is there something more sinister behind the tooodles.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:55 pm[…] Read Bill […]
January 9th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI understand that no one wants any blog to be an echo chamber (well, unless that blog is RedState, LGF, The Corner, where they seem to enjoy that kind of thing), but the likes of Greg Nevins don’t add a single thing to the discussion.
The tolerance of the ThinkProgress mods really is astounding.
January 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm116. Mr. Nevins, so the democrats were better at being republicans than the republicans. Blue Democrat is still a Democrat. What was the problem with the republicans? Oh yeah, you said they spent like democrats. Looks like they spent like republicans who ignored or abandoned their core beliefs. So the American public saw that and showed them to the door.
Thanks for clearing that up. Now onto accountability. remember the question?
January 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pmGreg, I hate to break it to you, but the Reagan administration was responsible for the largest tax increase on working people in our nation’s history. Since you are completely unaware of this fact, it tends to make me think you are a f*cking idiot.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:00 pmGreg Nevins, welcome to TP!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI am delighted to see you are having so much fun.
We really appreciate your insight and tumor.
Why do people here answer to Greg Nevins anyway?
January 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGreg, ok. You have made up your mind about everything and wrong in everything. Have a good life. Now, piss off.
BUSH is an IDIOT and he has dragged us through the mud for 6 years and put us in a war he can’t win!
DELAY is the BIGGEST CROOK on the block!
FOLEY is an admitted child molester!
NEY is going to jail!
CUNNINGHAM is just about there!
ABRAMOFF (Bush’s Buddy) is singing like a bird!
and
CHENEY is shooting people in the face while lying and cursing senators!
If Bush is an Idiot — what does that make of the American people? They Elected him to Office in 2000 and 2004!!!!
DELAY has never been CONVICTED of any Crime… SLANDER on your part!!!
FOLEY never admitted that he Molested any children… SLANDER on your part again!!!!
NEY is NOT going to JAIL — More Hallucinating on your part!!!
CUNNINGHAM is NOT GOING TO JAIL — Slander on your part once again!!!
ABRAMOFF is NOT signing like a BIRD — More wishful thinkg on your part!!!!
and
I wish you would do Duck Hunting with Dick Cheney so he can put YOU OUT OF YOUR MISERY!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGreg, I asked you a question and your just being rude. Are you standing by your statement that the only reason the democrats were elected because they were better republicans than the republicans?
The only reason the Democrats WON control of the House and Senate is because they RAN Candidates that were more Republican than LIBERAL DEMOCRATS….. They finally learned that they can’t keep running Left Wing Liberal WACKOS anymore if they expect to win… They are called “BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS”. They are much more aligned to the Republican Party Agenda than the Left Wing Democratic Agenda…. GOT IT NOW?????
January 9th, 2007 at 3:06 pmIf Bush is an Idiot — what does that make of the American people? They Elected him to Office in 2000 and 2004!!!!
Comment by Greg Nevins — January 9, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
It makes the Republican 49%ers idiots, too.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWhy do people here answer to Greg Nevins anyway?
Greg, ok. You have made up your mind about everything and wrong in everything. Have a good life. Now, piss off.
This is typical of the Left Wing Liberal Communists to try and SHUT UP anyone that disagrees with them… This is NOT COMMUNIST CHINA…. this is America were FREE SPEECH is allowed and encouraged!!!!!!!
Now have another glass of KOOL AID……
January 9th, 2007 at 3:08 pmNow have another glass of KOOL AID……
Comment by Greg Nevins
We can’t. You drank it all.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmIt makes the Republican 49%ers idiots, too
No Jane, It makes you and evryone else who voted for that Pathetic Al Gore and John Kerry a BIG A LOSER as BOTH of them where!!!!
I so hope that the Democrats nominate Hillary (THE BITCH) Clinton so the Republicans can beat your assess again in 2008!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI would suggest that you find a Library and spend a few hours reading about Saddam Hussein, the Dictator of Iraq and Harborer of the Al Queada Terrorists.
Comment by Greg Nevins
The only library that this misinformation will be in hasn’t been built yet. The GW Bush Presidential Library.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmGreg, Greg, Greg, You fight over semantics here. Is Bush an idiot or just a deciever. Why quibble. Is DeLay a Crook or not just because he hasn’t been sent to prison it’s not for me to decide, I wasn’t selected to be on the jury to try him for the crimes he has been charged with. Sure he’s got a fighting chance. So did Saddam.
Foley, don’t you think you should just close the closet on that whole sorrid event.
Ney hasn’t gone to jail? You sure about that?
Cunningham? I bet someone’s going to show you his inmate number soon.
Abramoff has a set of lungs and is singing better than Ashcroft.
I’d like to go hunting with Dead Eye Dick also but are you advocating a premeditated murder. Greg, that’s much more serious than slander.
Now about that accountability issue. Should we have it or not?
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pmThey are called “BLUE DOG DEMOCRATSâ€. They are much more aligned to the Republican Party Agenda than the Left Wing Democratic Agenda…. GOT IT NOW?????
Comment by Greg Nevins
Yeah I just heard on e of hte Blue Dogs interviewed on NPR this morning. He is for gay marriage, pro-choice and wants an end to the war. That doesn’t sound like the REpub platform to me. Oh yeah he also wanted to have a balanced budget. That’s something the Repubs gave up a long time ago. Repubs have no calim to that anymore.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:14 pmGreg
Bob Ney was my representative and he agreed to 27 months jail time. And, in case you’re interested in a little truth, our Republican district replaced Ney with a Democrat when they could have voted in another Republican.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThis is NOT COMMUNIST CHINA…. this is America were FREE SPEECH is allowed and encouraged!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by Greg Nevins
Tell that to Gitmo “unlawful combatants”
Greg, you really should see someone other than that faith healer about your tumor.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:23 pmEnjoyed looking for this myself:
Former U.S. Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham is now Inmate 94405-198.
And you are correct g. nev, Ney’s not in prison, yet. They haven’t determined his full s