The official Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms offers new evidence in the debate over Iraq terminology. As MoveOn.org’s Adam Green notes, the Pentagon’s dictionary has no entry for “surge” but does have an entry for “escalation”:
escalation
(DOD) A deliberate or unpremeditated increase in scope or violence of a conflict.
ThinkProgress has argued that media outlets are misleading Americans when they use the term “surge” to describe President Bush’s new Iraq proposal.
As we documented Wednesday, when “surge” was first adopted by the mainstream media in November 2006, the term was specifically defined as a “temporary,” “short-term” increase in U.S. forces. In fact, the most prominent advocates of escalation all reject a short-term increase in U.S. forces, and the Bush administration will not specify the length of the current policy. “I think no one has a really clear idea of how long that might be,” Defense Secretary Gates said yesterday.
Even Condi doesn’t call it a surge. She calls it an “augmentation”.
I’m all parsed out at this point.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pm“debate over Iraq terminology”
more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“debate over Iraq terminologyâ€
more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
Comment by hippie with a pistol
It’s a very good thing!
January 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI’ve been shaking down elderly people in my neighborhood for cash and gems. The police came and told me they were arresting me for extortion and robbery, and other things, until I explained to them that I wasn’t extorting or robbing, but only “re-appropriating assets” for a “economic stimulus package”. Then they understood, and the local paper wrote about how my efforts to secure economic growth were being supported by the community and the authorities.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGood for who? In what way(s)?
January 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pmRe: Condi’s “Augmentation” from the Dictionary linked above:
augmentation forces
(DOD) Forces to be transferred from a supporting commander to the combatant command (command authority) or operational control of a supported commander during the execution of an operation order approved by the Secretary of Defense.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“Mission Accomplished”, “Iraqi Intelligence”, “Niger yellow cake”, “WMDs”, “War on Terror”, “Stay the Course”, “Axis of Evil”, “Freedom on the March”, “Secterian Violence”, “Surge”, etc.
Yeah there’s no need to debate the terminology. Everything they try to candy-coat is an F-up.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmLook in the “Political Scoundrel’s book of Definitions”.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pmhippie with a pistol sez:
Ahhhh, no. We’re not the ones who felt the necessity of playing with alternate terms like ’surge’ and ‘augmentation’ to try to smear a little lipstick on the pig of pointless, hopeless, patently impossible escalation which der Chimperor has forced upon this nation.
Explain the reasoning behind that assumption. Please include links from credible experts who support this assumption.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIn ‘New Way Forward’ Dictionary which Condi uses you’ll be able to find find ‘Augmentation’…
January 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWe can argue semantics all you want, fact remains that an “augmentation of forces” necessarily leads to an escalation of the conflict.
Arguing about “escalation” vs “augmentation” is nonsensical, and it’s the very same strategy that the trolls use here at ThinkProgress to obfuscate an issue and try to mislead.
IMO, we should look past semantics and focus on what the real issue is: The Bush administration is going to deepen American involvement in this disastrous military adventure. What you call it is irrelevant.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pmmore tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
Just about everyone involved or not involved from the pentagon to the American people find this a bad idea. The only ones still hanging onto this are the far right loons, who can’t admit the situation is bad.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:28 pmSure hippie, just send more. no need to understand why or how long or doing what. just send more.
you are a hippie. and you give them a bad name.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThey are convinced that wars are lost by not having the will to fight them. If the will isn’t there, it’s better not to fight them at all, i.e., it’s not necessary. If people feel threatened, you don’t need to “augment” the will to fight. It’s in the DNA.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:34 pmGregor,
I vote we call it an engorgement from now on. I mean the whole thing is goofy anyway. George is prolonging this, so he won’t take the blame for the eventual failure. If to goes on longer, or happens under a democratic president, the rabid right can yell about the left losing the war etc. etc. Pretty much take the useless rant about vietnam, and substitute Iraq.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pmLet’s just keep calling it what it is: ESCALATION. Those who lied with “surge” and are lying again with “augmentation” are failing. Only the wingnut 30% believe that stuff now.
The truth is out.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI’m against it!
January 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHow about Burst! A burst of troops. Maybe Spurt! America’s gonna spurt soldiers all over Baghdad. Which brings Ejaculation to mind. But that’s awfully close to Escalation. So we can’t use that.
I guess it will have to be a Surge.
Splurge? It sounds like shopping and Shruby said that was good. While the troops are Surging, We’ll be Splurging?
Yeah, that’s it.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSorry to say this, but a book definition will have little impact on policy. This administration has been manipulating the message since day one…
It doesn’t matter what the warmongers call it - it is a BAD idea.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pmStill waiting, hippie with a pistol…
Don’t forget those links…
January 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#2: [C]all [it] what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
I’m with TripMaster Monkey on this one. Why, exactly, is this a good thing? Good for whom? The Iraq Study Group, the generals, and the troops on the ground have all said that sending more troops to Iraq will be counterproductive.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“Surge, Surge”
“Surge isn’t here”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#2: [M]ore tedious debates from the left.
If the “debate” over language is indeed “tedious” (by which I assume you mean “unimportant”), why does Condoleeza Rice bristle when people use the word “escalation”? I suspect it’s because she’s trying to minimize the perception that the scale of the war in Iraq is growing, because this would lead people to the accurate impression that the U.S. is not winning.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pm#4 Tom - Very Funny; loved it
#2 Hippie with a Pistol - Just like a neo-con a contradiction in terms.
When there were hippies, they were called peaceniks and they refused to pick up pistols and go to Vietnam.
Maybe you should try a handle like “armchair commando”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmSo when the violence against the coalition troops and the Iraqi security forces increases due to an increase in the number of insurgents or terrorists or fighters from neighboring countries, can we also call that an “augmentation?”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmKrazny…
I am not sure what motivates the slimy bastard. I agree that he wants to drag this out for two more years then he can say that we would have won if only we had “________”. But there seems to be a strong element of Christian end of days thinking in his madness.
He only has two years to pave the way for the return of Jebus, starting a war with Iran would kickstart the Armageddon.
One thing’s for sure, you won’t find out from him or Snow or anyone in the know what the reasoning is. They are all liars.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmSurge: Would you like an espresso. I make it with a little lemon twist. It’s good.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmMaybe Fried Rice could augment those little cookies of hers.
W would like it. LaLa would’t.
Splitting hairs over descriptors is straying off target.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThis is…
ESCALATION OF THE INVASION
I notice TP is not talking about Samoa and the minimum wedge. I notice the new speaker is dirty.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pm“more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.”
Why? So those soldiers can come back in a coffin?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIt’s either more troops or fewer troops. How freakin hard is that for Condi and her neocon admirers to get?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:20 pmGeezzo!
If an administration behaves honorably, pursues policies that benefit the public and that the public supports, then an administration doesn’t have to obfuscate, confuse and play word games as the Bush administration does. The Bush administration’s dishonest behavior is a self-indictment as it shows they fear letting the public know what’s really going on. Funny how the right wing frequently touts their Christianity. Is this really what Christianity has morphed into? Shame on them.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI notice TP is not talking about Samoa and the minimum wedge. I notice the new speaker is dirty.
Comment by Kevin
I noticed you havent given a link to your assertion that progressives hate people making profits. You are an empty vessel.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmSurge: Would you like an espresso. I make it with a little lemon twist. It’s good.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
That’s the movie with Aquel…er, Akmel….um, Foley in it…right?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWe’re sending in more troops so our “coalition of the willing” can quietly remove their young men and women from Bush’s War.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070112/ ap_on_re_eu/ iraq_shrinking_coalition
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by Kevin — January 12, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Don’t feed the idiot troll, folks. Roger_Roger “ranted” about this yesterday.
Besides, it’s off topic.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmWhy bother with words when you have: good and bad.
More american soldiers in Iraq = good
January 12th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIran wanting nukes = bad
WC,
January 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmCorrect, sir. I didn’t know if anyone would get that one. Your head must be filled with as much useless info as mine. ;)
TP never brings up Dirty Dems.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmWC,
Correct, sir. I didn’t know if anyone would get that one. Your head must be filled with as much useless info as mine. ;)
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
That would be valid assessment. : )
January 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmTom Paxton’s song “Waste Deep in the Big Muddy” needs a slight update.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmFYI
January 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmhttp://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4676
Kevin thinks I am going to respond to him. Ha!
January 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmBush only appointed Collin Powell and condi Rice just to decieve us. If Collin Powell would have been dark skinned and condi Rice would have been a man, Bush would not stuck them into his cabinent. Even if he did this would have not changed any policies to improve race relations or his feelings towards black people.DUHbya is is now facing a different challenge. Despite all of that, Bush still has friends in “low places”.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIt’s just awful to see how relentless Duhbya is in persuing his agenda (as a war mungerer). It’s worse that he’s using the only political capital he’s got left (the Executive branch of government) to exercise his imperial powers. Now that we have regained control of both the house and the senate, and senate Reupblicans are now are joining Democrats to finally do what Thomas Jefferson and others who established the United States Government wanted them to do. Check the ballance of power and hold the executive branch of government accountable if congress believes if the executive branch of government has gone too far.
Now that Bush has became well aware of congress (both Democrat AND REPUBLICAN) to hold the purse strings and to stop the executive powers of our government to cease and desist with executive imperial powers, Bush has became even more relentless and more aggressive with help from the media to get his way.
The Zionist Media mouth pieces for the Skinhead Nazies is the only political capital Bush has. CNN (Christian News Network) Nancy Grase, Elaine Quihano, MSNBC (Microsoft Nazi Braodcast Channel) Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchannan, Alison Steward, Monica Crowley, and Andrea Mitchel and Fox News (FO Swastika) Sean Hannity, Bill O’reily and the Beltway Rednecks is all of the skinheads that Bush needs to push his agenda foward.
These are the same skinheads who pushed Hillary Rohdam Clinton to run for office, dispite going after her husband Bill when he took oathe of office in January 1993, the same skinheads who have been saying how “good” the economy is despite the overwhelming majority saying that the economy sucks, the same right–winged skinheads who trashed Speaker of the House Nancy Palozi like a dog, the same skinheads who already took sides with the defense in the Duke Lacrose Rape case.
The Zionist Skinhead Media not only covers Bush’s rear end everytime he is caught in a lie, but the skinhead media would make democrats and Republicans who oppose Bush’s Impearialist zionest agenda as weak on terrorism and unpatriaotic. Remember, This the same skinheads who painted Secratary of State Collin Powell (5 star declarated war General) as unpatriotic. Now their smearing anyone who gets in Bush’s way of a troop surge in Iraq. Now thier puhsing for a war with Iran, all in the name of September 11th. Despite the fact that after all we all know who was really reponsible for what happened on 9/11. You guessed it….. No one other than George W. Bush and his Saudi- Royal Family.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
I liked the first 2 movies, but the 3rd one tanked, IMO. I always thought the third movie should have Rosewood and Taggert traveling to Detroit and helping solve a crime.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI always thought the third movie should have Rosewood and Taggert traveling to Detroit and helping solve a crime.
Comment by WC
Yeah but then you have Detroit as your backdrop for the entire film. Ick.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“Surge isn’t hereâ€
Comment by ForTruth
We’ve all misunderstood this “surge” thing.
It’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge” are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry…
January 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pm“We’ve all misunderstood this “surge†thing.
It’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge†are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry… ”
For some reason I keep thinking of the comic strip Beetle Bailey.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYeah but then you have Detroit as your backdrop for the entire film. Ick.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
You have a point, but again, IMO, it still would have been better than what we did get in BHC 3. Maybe not by much, but still better.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmOut of curiosity what movie are you discussing, I feel I missed a huge part of the conversation here.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmLooks like the term is catching on:
Hillary heads to Iraq, Afghanistan
GLENN THRUSH
Newsday Staff Writer
January 12, 2007
WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is heading to Iraq and Afghanistan — and calling for a troop “surge” in Afghanistan even though she opposes a similar measure in Iraq.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIt’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge†are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry…
Comment by Zoo — January 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
ohmigawd…we’re sending in the Sicilians!!!
heh…we’re gonna make th’ Iraqis an offer they cannot refuse….then we’re gonna do th’ same to th’ Iranians and th’ Syrians…’till we own the whole f-in’ middle east, you know. bada-bing, bada boom….
January 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYea, we’re gonna “surge” Exlax….even though the Army doesn’t have a clue as to what the f___ a “surge” is.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pmdid I just say “surge” and “Exlax” in the same sentence?
Must’ve been a Freudian slip…..
January 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWern’t many here constantly pointing out while Rumsfeld was Sec. of Defence that there weren’t enought troops to begin with to accomplish securing Iraq? Why is everyone against putting more boots on the ground now?
January 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by hippie with a pistol — January 12, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
I know hippies.
Hippies are friends of mine.
You sir, are NO hippie.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:55 pm.
With ‘augmentation’ she was talking about her breasts.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmLet’s not call it democracy any longer. It’s ‘democrazy’ now.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWhy is everyone against putting more boots on the ground now?
Comment by Tracy — January 12, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Because there is a difference between now and then. Funny how things, well,evolve, like that over time…
I was for zero troops then, just as I am for zero troops now. We had no business attacking Iraq. Pre-emption is against International Law. And Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
January 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNo problem. Not to worry…
Comment by Zoo — January 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Serge is the French equivalent of Sergio. Perhaps Bush was speaking about Sergio’s French buddies?
January 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmSpeaking of semantics,
January 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI have this tremendous surge to kick a sitting president in the nuts right now.
Not while he’s sitting down, though.
I have this tremendous surge to kick a sitting president in the nuts right now.
Comment by RUCerious — January 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
ROTFL
January 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmTracy’s never heard of “throwing good money after bad”, has s/he?.
So far, Tracy, the Pentagon hasn’t been able to equip the troops with time machines, so they could deploy at a time when they would’ve done some good - the time critics have been saying they should’ve been there - THE PAST.
3 YEARS AGO THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE SOME GOOD BUT THEY CAN’T NOW. why is that difficult at all to understand?
January 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmhttp://dissidentnews.wordpress.com/ 2007/ 01/ 12/ the-police-state-is-closer-than-you-think-by-paul-craig-roberts/ #more-1070
January 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#56, #64 - Tracy , tom baker -
January 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pmtom beat me to the punch, but I can put it more simply: Now is too late.
George has difficulty with either word . To him it is only an erection.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pm#65 - unbelievable,
January 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI’d rather fry them (in place).
To George W Bush, what is the difference between an erection and and election? -
January 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmHe only had one of the former and came and went limp halfway through the first stroke, he has been out-voted in all of the latter.
A boob like Condi should know about augmentation.
-GSD
January 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmSir Greg Nevin sez:
Oh yes…here I go again…calling reichwingnuts on their lies and distortions, and demanding that they back up their perfidious prevarications with fact (which, of course, they never do).
I’m funny like that.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pm“HERE YOU GO AGAINâ€!!!!!!
Take your Monkey Ass and Move to France!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
The hell he did
He said *There you go again*
And he was one of the most unpopular and worst presidents we have ever had
You take your Curious George books out now and read them
It is way past your bedtime
January 12th, 2007 at 8:08 pmTP is nothing but a sleazy discussion board.
/sarcasm
Phuckin’ Surge.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmBush appointed Admiral William Fallon as the new chief of Central Command for the Middle East despite the fact that Fallon, a former Navy aviator and currently head of the Pacific Command, will oversee two ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The choice of Fallon makes more sense if Bush foresees a bigger role for two aircraft carrier groups off Iran’s coast.
Though not considered a Middle East expert, Fallon has moved in neoconservative circles, for instance, attending a 2001 awards ceremony at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, a think tank dedicated to explaining “the link between American defense policy and the security of Israel.”
While some observers believe Israel or the Bush administration may be leaking details of the plans as a way to frighten Iran into accepting international controls on its nuclear program, other sources indicate that the preparations for a wider Middle Eastern war are very serious and moving very quickly.
Without doubt, Bush’s actions in the past two months - reaffirming his determination to succeed in Iraq and warning about a possible regional explosion if he fails - suggest that his future course is an escalation of the conflict, not some “graceful exit.”
-excerpts from Robert Parry’s (of Consortium News) article on truthout.org-
Bushiva and L’il dick are on the nut…
January 12th, 2007 at 8:20 pm63 - but I’d rather lick them instead.
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
NOT me
January 12th, 2007 at 8:28 pmComment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
I emailed TP. Bye.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmIt was some dumbass troll probably that Nevins character
Comment by rachel b blair — January 12, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
It seems to be all some people are capable of…
It happens so much that trolls pretend to be regulars that it has lost all shock value. Which is all they want anyway. Demented little fools.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmTRAITOR Joe Lieberman is refusing to investigate Katrina debacle…
…Democrats were dumb as hell to give that basta*d a committee chairmanship…
…Lieberman is backing Bushiva’s catastrophic escalation plans…
WHY?
…because his loyalties lie with ISRAEL!
…Progressive people of Connecticut…
…clean up your GARBAGE!
…TRAITOR Joe shouldn’t be able to take a crap without protestors harrassing he and his family…
…right OUT of this Congress!!!
…the stakes are too high to play nice…
January 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
How sad… You have no friends so you pretend to be other people who do, and then behave badly hoping to make them feel as sad as you. Won’t work. People know it’s not me.
Well, TP will ban you for this, so I hope it was worth it. You trolls have to be more clever than this. It’s cliche… YAWN.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHello Rachel b.
My condolences to the aforementioned family.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pm63 - but I’d rather lick them instead.
Comment by not-unbelievable
Wouldn’t that require actually possessing twig and berrys’?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pmhttp://www.ww2stories.org/portraits/bill-ersthaler
Hey Rachel b. Read about my step-father.
Have you or your family served yet?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmComment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Since you are the one who brought it up - you must be the one who has it. No shock there.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pmOther than being a troll, have you served your country in any way form or fashion, other than spewing alot of what you think is Patriotism?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmSo now we have a troll so pathetic and desperate they’ve resorted to namejacking unbelievable and posting sophomoric drivel?
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
I pine for the days of Seixon.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmwow, unbelievable, you have your own personal troll now?
What a dubitable honor. And it seems like it’s been following you around for quite some time. Could it be Mitey Coprolite trying to get revenge for the many times you’ve exposed that sad little man?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:53 pmIts easy to tell when some smart ass hijacks someone’s name. I knew it immediatly. No worries.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThat moron is following Unbelievable around.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmThey think by posting things at a progressive site they are somehow supporting the war effort, when in reality they are doing nothing worthy of mention.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmCould it be Mitey Coprolite trying to get revenge for the many times you’ve exposed that sad little man?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 12, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
That was my first thought… He’s the most likely candidate.
He has also namejacked Zoo, Juan and ForTruth.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThey are just kids hiding behind a monitor who have no work history, military history or life experience, they only imitate the spiteful chicken hawk pundits.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pm“That was my first thought… He’s the most likely candidate. He has also namejacked Zoo, Juan and ForTruth. Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:57 pm”
Why, do you think *I* could have become enraged at *myself* for all of the honest but *indelicate* posts I’ve been making recently? Aw *shucks*.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmNo worries.
Comment by ForTruth — January 12, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Zep didn’t LOL :D
I guess after spending my workdays with teenage boys, this is pretty anti-climactic stuff. My students are far more clever than this thing…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/ english/ 2007-01/ 12/ content_5599355.htm
Brightest comet in 30 years on display now!
Xinhua - 10 hours ago
BEIJING, Jan. 12 (Xinhuanet) — Grab your binoculars and check the evening sky just after sunset or the morning sky before sunrise because a new comet, brighter than the Hale-Bopp comet in 1995, will be visible in the Northern Hemisphere for a week …
Newly discovered comet is blazing a trail across the northern skies Scotsman
January 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmhttp://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=64682007
Zep didn’t LOL :D
Actually I worked at tinker air force base on the AWACS trainers, and also spent time in Alabama replacing and rigging the flight control, and engine cables on the KC-135 strato-tankers.
They are still flying today, thank you very much.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWait –was I right about all those things? I was only guessing. Wow. And you guys all knew about this stuff too?
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
You’ve been right about nothing - it’s why you’re an obvious fraud.
My typing skills might be atrocious, but I do know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Unoriginal trolls who pretend to be others get banned. It’s just a matter of time for you now…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmNaw, they are just messing with your head by agreeing with whatever you say.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pm“It could emerge as the brightest comet in recorded history.”
Thanks for the URL Rachel.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmNow, namestealer, what have you done other than being annoying for no rational reason?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmDAMN!!!!
I want my own personal troll/name hijacker/stalker too…
…unbelievable, ZOO, Juan, ForTruth…
…what makes YOUR posts/personae so…
…hijackable?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWhy can’t I have my own personal troll?
Poo.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmOriginally, the term fascism was used by an Italian political movement that ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini (see Italian fascism). Later, fascism became a more generic term that was meant to cover an entire class of authoritarian political ideologies, parties, and political systems, though no consensus was ever achieved on a precise definition of what it means to be “fascist”.
All right I’m the real ForTruth.
Seems the trollees have resorted to multiple name jacking, causing total confusion and eventually abandonment of the thread.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThey are still flying today, thank you very much.
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Eh? What does that have to do with you thinking I posted the comment about licking things?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmSome unknown troll has been hijacking our screen names for several days now. TP should locate who it is and ban him/her/it from the site, but the troll probably uses several IP services. As for wishing for Seixon back on here, the name hijacker troll could be him, because he wants revenge on unbelievable and me.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmThere is No SURGE in the damn military dickshunary, it’s an escalation. More of our young people are being sent to die for a bick dick named Bush.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMighty Asswipe has hijacked my handle too, UB.
That’s right Seixon was pretty sharp, he debated with energy, honesty and resources. Exlax is a delusional sociopath, MA is a fascist sociopath, Greg Nevins is certifiable, the same way Goebbels was certifiable. IRI was absolutely sane, like Reinhard Heydrich. Did I miss any?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGotta love these passive-aggressive trolls: They annoy, disrupt, insult, threadjack, but then whine and complain when they get banned, crying “Fascism!”.
Their emotional maturity is not beyond a teenager’s. Maybe they even are teenagers themselves… hhmm…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWe do not live in Italy namestealer. I do believe in the balance of power as written in the Constitution.
Name stealers do not get banned because of ‘fascism’, whatever your confused definintion of it is, they get banned for breaking the TOS (Terms of service)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pm…what makes YOUR posts/personae so…
…hijackable?
Comment by big papa — January 12, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
I’m guessing it’s because we are around a lot and we like to cut up with one another, so it is jealous.
You can have this one if you’d like. :D I don’t really want it… Which is exactly why it does this sort of thing. It gets no attention otherwise because it doesn’t have anything interesting or consequential to contribute.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIRI was absolutely sane, like Reinhard Heydrich. Did I miss any?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
NED (North East Dilemma)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMighty Asswipe has hijacked my handle too, UB.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
What happened? How’d you catch him?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmLet’s get over the trolls. Does anyone else like Tom Jones? I think he should do a duet w/Rod Stewart? What do you think?
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
You’re the troll… So, yes, by all means, get over yourself and get your own identity.
Tom Jones? No wonder you don’t have any friends of your own…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmTedious.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm“NED (North East Dilemma) Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm”
Didn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmActually, the U.S. Military Dictionary does define Serge - it is the material that is used to make uniforms for sergeants. C students from Harvard Business School just aren’t as good at spelling as D students from High School.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmJay Randall sez:
No way, Jay. Not his style. Seixon is waaaay too narcissistic to post under anything but his chosen nom de plume.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmRonald W. Reagan was Re-Elected by a LANDSLIDE!!!!
He was a popular president, I will grant you that, but this really has nothing to do with what the republican party has morphed into today.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmNED (North East Dilemma)
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Oh yeah I forgot about him. He was pre-postal.
What happened? How’d you catch him?
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Oh back in September I posted just before her/him. A few minutes later, there was another post with the trademark ‘*****’ and my handle at the bottom of it! Talk about dim. Bruce Gorton saw it first.
Let’s get over the trolls. Does anyone else like Tom Jones? I think he should do a duet w/Rod Stewart? What do you think?
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Tom Jones - I’d throw my boxers at him. Rod Stewart - I wouldn’t throw yours at him. I think Rod screwed his musicians in the early years - wouldn’t share royalties with a lot of his bandsmen. You know how much the mandolin player at the beginning of Maggie May made? $15.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmDidn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
I thought it was Exley.
Roger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmDidn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool — January 12, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
No way, Pedro. I guess I did not get the memo. Napoleon is easier than NED to sideline, I thought NED went postal.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmGET OUT OF MY FACE!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
The solution is obvious, Greg. Leave if this makes you so upset.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmI wonder when TP is going to respond to the name-jacking. I’m going to guess that it is Sir Gag…..just a hunch.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2545514,00.html
Claims of terror safe haven denied
Times Online - 3 hours ago
Pakistan yesterday rejected allegations by the American National Intelligence Director that the country was a refuge for terror leaders.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0112/p99s01-duts.html
US intel chief: Al Qaeda active, strong in Pakistani hideout
http://www.nydailynews.com/ front/ story/ 488087p-410903c.html
Rabbis throw book at Jimmy
New York Daily News - 17 hours ago
BY OWEN MORITZ. Outraged by Jimmy Carter’s controversial new book, the nation’s largest organization of rabbis yesterday pulled out of a planned visit to the former President’s human rights center in Atlanta.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24746
Carter Center board members rebuke Carter’s leadership BP News
http://www.theage.com.au/ news/ world/ carter-fans-quit-over-israel-book/ 2007/ 01/ 12/ 1168105181409.html
January 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmCarter fans quit over Israel book The Age
“No way, Pedro. I guess I did not get the memo. Napoleon is easier than NED to sideline, I thought NED went postal. Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:31 pm”
We put him on better *pharma*. I’m considering it myself. You apparently see little stars in the computer monitor when you stare at it. Sounds like fun!!!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI am one of the few here whom supported this last augmentation, Sir, and not because I want America to lose. We bought a poor country, and we need to fix our screwup. I have told you of my family history, I in NO way want America to lose. Remember this was too free these people from an Oppressive leader and not to destroy them.
If we do lose it will not be because of these posts here, it will be because of the failure of the commanders, as in Vietnam.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmAnd no I an not what you call a liberal, I am sovereign, as our Lord.
Oh back in September I posted just before her/him. A few minutes later, there was another post with the trademark ‘*****’ and my handle at the bottom of it! Talk about dim. Bruce Gorton saw it first.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Frankly, I am surprised he’s lasted this long with his habitual violation of site rules. He never contributes anything - just insults people and brags about his imaginary life.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmRoger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley.
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Nah, if anything Exlax is NED. The day Exlax was beaten like a red headed step child, he lied his ass off and proceeded to take a victory lap for himself - that was classic NED now that I think of it.
Wonder where IRI is these days. I’m marooned in Houston this weekend, maybe we can hook up and he can show me what they do for fun, short of dragging black men behind his F350
January 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThe solution is obvious, Greg. Leave if this makes you so upset.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
I think obvious is invisible to the 20%ers… Blind faith and all…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmSir, you are being quite irrational. The troops, and their commanders decide who wins the war, not a fistful of bloggers.
I have much more to lose than you, for my wifes sisters husband is currently servinf in the Air Force. You come in here with pre-conceived notions that are in no way accurate.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pm“Roger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley. Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm”
He’s one of my *peeps*, a Cuban *heeb* that sees the freedom from Castro in the efforts of the right wing. It’s why he’s so fervently anti-capitalist and pro-israel. Poor thing, just a confused little brown-bean, that thinks using words in an intentionally vague and misleading manner is *clever*. Too bad his parents didn’t teach him that this is nothing more than a *cheap* form of lying.
He’d probably do a great job handling the *green campaign* of some polluting oil company though. He finds dishonest and word play so much fun - it would be a use of his *talents* to mislead others professionally. A kind of *thank you for smoking*, but without the *cute*, if you know what I mean. I don’t want to be cruel to my co-conservatives, but his family left the *good genes* in cuba. He’s not the prettiest thing to look at - but we still love him at the zionist conventions!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pmTerrytheTurtle —Rod has done pretty well the last few years with his American Classics or whatever series. And it is very common for studio musicians to get screwed when an album or single is a success. You really don’t like Rod?
Comment by the_NEW_unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Nope, don’t like Rod, think he’s overrated. Liked Maggie May though, he has an occasional moment. Joe Cocker was the king of the gravel voice.
Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Nope nothing, despite my email. Judd banned me for impersonating Jesus Christ on his threads. My IP is still blocked - I have to keep on the move (by travel).
January 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI’m going to guess that it is Sir Gag…..just a hunch.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
The repeated misuse of ‘your’ in the hijacked name posts and his own posts suggests you are probably right.
Well, he can have at it. I’m going to get some sleep…
Night all!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pm“Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Frankly, I am surprised he’s lasted this long with his habitual violation of site rules. He never contributes anything - just insults people and brags about his imaginary life. Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:36 pm”
You guys haven’t figured out the *secret* yet? Judd, is such a sweetied. He’s one of those Lieberman DLC types. As long as I keep swearing undying love to Zionism and Israel, he’ll never ban me! I’m his favorite little *crusader* - pardon the pun!
I thought you guys had figured this out long ago!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmZep Tepi - appreciate your response on the escalation. But I can’t agree with you. And sometimes to fix something, the first thing you do is stop banging it on the wall. My other point is, would you sail with the Captain of the Titanic again?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmSorry, I meant *anti-communist* when describing my dear friend exley. It’s just that his advocations really are anti-capitalist, even though he *hates* communists. So I got confused for a second…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmSo that was you, you green clown! (Oh calm down Jesus, think Sermon on the Mount)(blessed are the meek, blessed are the meek)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmYou guys haven’t figured out the *secret* yet? Judd, is such a sweetied. He’s one of those Lieberman DLC types. As long as I keep swearing undying love to Zionism and Israel, he’ll never ban me! I’m his favorite little *crusader* - pardon the pun!
Yes, of course. The Thinkprogress position on Israel is certainly not progressive. I’ve watched Juan, Evil Spaniard as well as myself try to have a serious discussion - ooh how the posts disappear.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmLike I said Sir Gag, if this upsets you, you may leave any time.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmNamestealer, I believe in God and Jesus, and have supported this last escalation for reasons that do not concern Bush, nor the Republican party, but for my own reasons.
The people here may not be Christians, but because I treat them as I would like to be treated we can discuss things rationally, whatever their belief system may be. I do not wish to enforce my belief upon them, nor them me.
Stop and think about what I have said.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pmWonder where IRI is these days. I’m marooned in Houston this weekend, maybe we can hook up and he can show me what they do for fun, short of dragging black men behind his F350
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
I haven’t heard from him since he realized that he couldn’t convert me to his side. Check out NoPC. That’s where he came from and where he said he was going when the spam filter started eating his posts and he thought he was being harrassed by the TP staff…
Nope nothing, despite my email. Judd banned me for impersonating Jesus Christ on his threads. My IP is still blocked - I have to keep on the move (by travel).
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
You were banned for pretenting to be Jesus? Huh? What rule did that violate?
Those posts were hysterical, by the way… You’re one of my all time favorites. I’m confused…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmAh the heck with it, I’m off into the Houston night to go stetson-tipping. Alles schlaf gut.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmGood night! -Fake unbelievable!
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Good night Soon-to-be-banned-troll-pretending-to-be me!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pmThese things like this do not bother me, actually it is humorous. =)
Be the bigger person Nevins.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmGN TTT, UB, NEVINS, RACHEL, ZOO.
Blessings!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWell I suppose that arguably impersonating a living person was against the rules of the site which some might argue Jesus is…..or perhaps doing something blasphemous might upset some of the posters, I dunno. I’m thinking of having a run at some Jewish patriarchs to see how that works out.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmunbelievable – 20%ers… ??? I still have trouble accepting that you are a teacher. I believe you; it’s just sad.
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
Twenty percenters. It’s what we’ve been calling you feeble minds who still support the Bush Regime because you are the 20% of those in polls who say that you support his actions in Iraq.
Clear now? That is how teaching works.
You have trouble accepting you aren’tme. It’s not a stretch to deduce that you have trouble accepting other obvious matters…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDear Willy — THE SHAME IS ON LEFT WING COMMUNIST LIKE YOURSELF WHO ONLY COMPLAIN AND DO NOTHING TO ADVANCE THE SUBJECT AT HAND!!!! WE IMPEACHED SLICK WILLY FOR HIS DISHONEST BEHAVIOR — LYING UNDER OATH IN A FEDERAL SEXUAL HARRASSMENT LAWSUIT. IT WAS THE CONGRESS THAT DIDN’T HAVE THE BALLS TO REMOVE THAT SCUM BAG FROM OFFICE…. PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN’T THROW STONES!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins
Halbert Holmert is that you =)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmMay your god go with you Zep.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWE IMPEACHED SLICK WILLY FOR HIS DISHONEST BEHAVIOR
Yes and Monica was also charged for lying under oath.
Get out of the past man.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYou LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ALL THE SAME —- COMPLETE ASSHOLES!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins
For the last time, I am Sovereign, as your Lord.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:59 pmTerrytheTurtle sez:
Been there myself…more times than I can count
The more TP attempts to further their clandestine agenda, the more they succeed in only making their agenda less clandestine.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pm“I know you are but what am I?” - is that it? How disappointing.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmscroll back Nevins, Look at what you have posted, none here have made the statements as you have, yet you call others assholes?
Show me, Sir, where I have been rude unto you or called you childish names?
January 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWell I suppose that arguably impersonating a living person was against the rules of the site which some might argue Jesus is…..or perhaps doing something blasphemous might upset some of the posters, I dunno.
Oh, so the Jesus Squad might have complained?
I piss them off regularly just by being honest about things. I guess it’s okay as along as I post as myself?
Come to think of it, TP posts corrupt religion threads. It’s not like they don’t set the stage….
I’m thinking of having a run at some Jewish patriarchs to see how that works out.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
ROTFL…
You’re too funny.
Okay, I’m really going to try to leave now. I’m tired and it sounds like you have some dancing to do!
Good to see you!
January 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmPost 11 by Gregor Samsa summed this catastrophuck up nicely. That post alone made my day just a little better, thanks.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmSir Greg Nevins:
We have yet to see you contribute anything of substance to the discussion.
When do you plan on joining the discussion?
(Hint: typing out infantile insults in all caps doesn’t qualify as ‘discussion’.)
January 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmWell you are the poll expert; or should I say, pole expert?
Ted Haggard thanks you for the compliment.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmNight UB - the Turtle doesn’t two-step, though - the Turtle pogos. And here he goes…..
January 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmThe Thinkprogress position on Israel is certainly not progressive. I’ve watched Juan, Evil Spaniard as well as myself try to have a serious discussion - ooh how the posts disappear.
Been there done that one too.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pmHop on the good foot and do the bad thing TTT =)
January 12th, 2007 at 10:12 pmSo does any else think Britney (Spears), might have just “forgotten†her underpants? I know it happens to me sometimes…Comment by not unbelievable
you are truly lame beyond words.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmNot a very subtle affront to the Congress, Iran and the World is in the works.
There is no troop surge (20,000, don’t make me laugh)…..but a multilateral offensive against Iran, various sectarian groups, and the US Constitution.
The strategy is to draw Iran into a war. Once attacked there will be a surge of American “partrotism”. The belief of the neocons, like Goerring, is they can manufacture an attack on the US to rally the common folk. The onely problem is that theyv’e tried this so danmed many times before that the support will quickly fade, once the faithful realize they have been duped again.
The real definition of victory is: no more credibility for the neocons or hardliners of any sort.
The real shame is that just as in this country, in Iran there was a recent election that rebuked the hardline stance, and Ahmadinajad. Just as Bush was rebuked here, and then by his father’s advisers. But the stubborn never listen, Now the entire middle east and the entire USA is about to be the woodshed he is taken to.
Hardliners never give up unless forced to. After the war with Iran breaks out, Bush will be impeached, led by the Republicans.
Enough of this arrogance.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pm20 percent seem to be a pretty high number and only the result of some repiglican propaganda. As far as I remember Adolf told the Germans as late as February 1945:
January 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pm“Twenty-five years ago I predicted the victory of our movement. Today, filled as always with belief in our nation, I predict the final victory of the German race.”
I would estimate the number of Busch followers like the trolls on TP at around 5 percent. That’s in the same range as their IQ.
#191
Maybe You should try to quote from Jimmy Carter’s book?
January 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pmBut watch the flying books!
Maureen Dowd: “I feel good about the new war with Iran.
How can you not have confidence in the crackerjack team that brought you Operation Iraqi Freedom…?
I say, bring it on. If a pre-emptive war in Iraq doesn’t work, why not try a pre-emptive war on Iran in Iraq?”
January 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amlol
January 13th, 2007 at 12:43 amwow! you took away my post!? thats a first. did i think beyond your progression? sounds like a job opportunity more than a ban.
January 13th, 2007 at 12:48 ammy bad
January 13th, 2007 at 12:49 amhttp://www.bloomberg.com/ apps/ news?pid=20601087&sid=aFOgp5SUnMlo&refer=home
Japan Warns of Tsunami Following Major Quake in Pacific Ocean
Bloomberg - 23 minutes ago
By Steven Bodzin and Hiroshi Suzuki. Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) — Japan’s Meteorological Agency issued a tsunami warning over the eastern coast of Hokkaido in northern Japan after an earthquake northeast of the island that the US Geological Survey measured …
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP199617.htm
January 13th, 2007 at 1:08 amTsunami warning in Japan after strong Pacific quake
Reuters AlertNet
http://www.iranmania.com/ News/ ArticleView/ Default.asp?NewsCode=48814&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs
Iran demands halt in US illegal moves in Iraq
IranMania News - 31 minutes ago
LONDON, January 13 (IranMania) - Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki condemned the US raid on Iran’s Consulate General in Erbil, saying such an attempt runs contrary to the Vienna Convention, IRNA reported.
Iraq: Detained Iranians had gov’t authorization Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/ servlet/ Satellite?cid=1167467721432&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Iraqi FM: Liaison Office Raided in Thursday’s Operation in Irbil Voice of America
January 13th, 2007 at 1:27 amhttp://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-12-voa23.cfm
rachel - PULL my finger. POST 132 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
rachel b blair – smell my finger. POST 210 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by unbelievable — January 13, 2007 @ 1:39 aM
Who would quote the San Jose Mercury News today? Dumbass. POST 202 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Sir Greg Nevins
The proof that you have hijacked unbelievables name here tonight is posted above
The real unbelievable would not have said that
January 13th, 2007 at 3:03 amhttp://www.14wfie.com/ Global/ story.asp?S=5932972&nav=3w6o
WFIE-TV - 38 minutes ago
Rice: Bush authorised raids on Iranians in Iraq
Washington & Bahghdad: Recent US military raids against Iranians in Iraq were authorised by President George W. Bush under an order for a broad offensive against Iranian operatives in the country, the New York Times said on its Web site on Friday.
“There has been a decision to go after these networks,” the Times quoted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice saying in an interview conducted on Friday before leaving on a Middle East trip.
She said Bush issued the order several months ago “after a period of time in which we saw increasing activity” among Iranians in Iraq “and increasing lethality in what they were producing.”
The Bush administration has long accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, including providing weapons and training to Shi’ite forces.
But US military officials and Iranian exiles say there is increasing evidence that many of the most sophisticated roadside bombs being used against US troops are produced in Iran.
Januar