Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’
Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’
The official Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms offers new evidence in the debate over Iraq terminology. As MoveOn.org’s Adam Green notes, the Pentagon’s dictionary has no entry for “surge” but does have an entry for “escalation”:
escalation
(DOD) A deliberate or unpremeditated increase in scope or violence of a conflict.
ThinkProgress has argued that media outlets are misleading Americans when they use the term “surge” to describe President Bush’s new Iraq proposal.
As we documented Wednesday, when “surge” was first adopted by the mainstream media in November 2006, the term was specifically defined as a “temporary,” “short-term” increase in U.S. forces. In fact, the most prominent advocates of escalation all reject a short-term increase in U.S. forces, and the Bush administration will not specify the length of the current policy. “I think no one has a really clear idea of how long that might be,” Defense Secretary Gates said yesterday.
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Even Condi doesn’t call it a surge. She calls it an “augmentation”.
I’m all parsed out at this point.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pm“debate over Iraq terminology”
more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“debate over Iraq terminologyâ€
more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
Comment by hippie with a pistol
It’s a very good thing!
January 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI’ve been shaking down elderly people in my neighborhood for cash and gems. The police came and told me they were arresting me for extortion and robbery, and other things, until I explained to them that I wasn’t extorting or robbing, but only “re-appropriating assets” for a “economic stimulus package”. Then they understood, and the local paper wrote about how my efforts to secure economic growth were being supported by the community and the authorities.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGood for who? In what way(s)?
January 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pmRe: Condi’s “Augmentation” from the Dictionary linked above:
augmentation forces
(DOD) Forces to be transferred from a supporting commander to the combatant command (command authority) or operational control of a supported commander during the execution of an operation order approved by the Secretary of Defense.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“Mission Accomplished”, “Iraqi Intelligence”, “Niger yellow cake”, “WMDs”, “War on Terror”, “Stay the Course”, “Axis of Evil”, “Freedom on the March”, “Secterian Violence”, “Surge”, etc.
Yeah there’s no need to debate the terminology. Everything they try to candy-coat is an F-up.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmLook in the “Political Scoundrel’s book of Definitions”.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pmhippie with a pistol sez:
Ahhhh, no. We’re not the ones who felt the necessity of playing with alternate terms like ’surge’ and ‘augmentation’ to try to smear a little lipstick on the pig of pointless, hopeless, patently impossible escalation which der Chimperor has forced upon this nation.
Explain the reasoning behind that assumption. Please include links from credible experts who support this assumption.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIn ‘New Way Forward’ Dictionary which Condi uses you’ll be able to find find ‘Augmentation’…
January 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWe can argue semantics all you want, fact remains that an “augmentation of forces” necessarily leads to an escalation of the conflict.
Arguing about “escalation” vs “augmentation” is nonsensical, and it’s the very same strategy that the trolls use here at ThinkProgress to obfuscate an issue and try to mislead.
IMO, we should look past semantics and focus on what the real issue is: The Bush administration is going to deepen American involvement in this disastrous military adventure. What you call it is irrelevant.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pmmore tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
Just about everyone involved or not involved from the pentagon to the American people find this a bad idea. The only ones still hanging onto this are the far right loons, who can’t admit the situation is bad.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:28 pmSure hippie, just send more. no need to understand why or how long or doing what. just send more.
you are a hippie. and you give them a bad name.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThey are convinced that wars are lost by not having the will to fight them. If the will isn’t there, it’s better not to fight them at all, i.e., it’s not necessary. If people feel threatened, you don’t need to “augment” the will to fight. It’s in the DNA.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:34 pmGregor,
I vote we call it an engorgement from now on. I mean the whole thing is goofy anyway. George is prolonging this, so he won’t take the blame for the eventual failure. If to goes on longer, or happens under a democratic president, the rabid right can yell about the left losing the war etc. etc. Pretty much take the useless rant about vietnam, and substitute Iraq.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pmLet’s just keep calling it what it is: ESCALATION. Those who lied with “surge” and are lying again with “augmentation” are failing. Only the wingnut 30% believe that stuff now.
The truth is out.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI’m against it!
January 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHow about Burst! A burst of troops. Maybe Spurt! America’s gonna spurt soldiers all over Baghdad. Which brings Ejaculation to mind. But that’s awfully close to Escalation. So we can’t use that.
I guess it will have to be a Surge.
Splurge? It sounds like shopping and Shruby said that was good. While the troops are Surging, We’ll be Splurging?
Yeah, that’s it.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSorry to say this, but a book definition will have little impact on policy. This administration has been manipulating the message since day one…
It doesn’t matter what the warmongers call it – it is a BAD idea.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pmStill waiting, hippie with a pistol…
Don’t forget those links…
January 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#2: [C]all [it] what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.
I’m with TripMaster Monkey on this one. Why, exactly, is this a good thing? Good for whom? The Iraq Study Group, the generals, and the troops on the ground have all said that sending more troops to Iraq will be counterproductive.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“Surge, Surge”
“Surge isn’t here”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#2: [M]ore tedious debates from the left.
If the “debate” over language is indeed “tedious” (by which I assume you mean “unimportant”), why does Condoleeza Rice bristle when people use the word “escalation”? I suspect it’s because she’s trying to minimize the perception that the scale of the war in Iraq is growing, because this would lead people to the accurate impression that the U.S. is not winning.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pm#4 Tom – Very Funny; loved it
#2 Hippie with a Pistol – Just like a neo-con a contradiction in terms.
When there were hippies, they were called peaceniks and they refused to pick up pistols and go to Vietnam.
Maybe you should try a handle like “armchair commando”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmSo when the violence against the coalition troops and the Iraqi security forces increases due to an increase in the number of insurgents or terrorists or fighters from neighboring countries, can we also call that an “augmentation?”
January 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmKrazny…
I am not sure what motivates the slimy bastard. I agree that he wants to drag this out for two more years then he can say that we would have won if only we had “________”. But there seems to be a strong element of Christian end of days thinking in his madness.
He only has two years to pave the way for the return of Jebus, starting a war with Iran would kickstart the Armageddon.
One thing’s for sure, you won’t find out from him or Snow or anyone in the know what the reasoning is. They are all liars.
January 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmSurge: Would you like an espresso. I make it with a little lemon twist. It’s good.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmMaybe Fried Rice could augment those little cookies of hers.
W would like it. LaLa would’t.
Splitting hairs over descriptors is straying off target.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThis is…
ESCALATION OF THE INVASION
I notice TP is not talking about Samoa and the minimum wedge. I notice the new speaker is dirty.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pm“more tedious debates from the left. call what you want, sending reinforcements to Baghdad is a good thing.”
Why? So those soldiers can come back in a coffin?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIt’s either more troops or fewer troops. How freakin hard is that for Condi and her neocon admirers to get?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:20 pmGeezzo!
If an administration behaves honorably, pursues policies that benefit the public and that the public supports, then an administration doesn’t have to obfuscate, confuse and play word games as the Bush administration does. The Bush administration’s dishonest behavior is a self-indictment as it shows they fear letting the public know what’s really going on. Funny how the right wing frequently touts their Christianity. Is this really what Christianity has morphed into? Shame on them.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI notice TP is not talking about Samoa and the minimum wedge. I notice the new speaker is dirty.
Comment by Kevin
I noticed you havent given a link to your assertion that progressives hate people making profits. You are an empty vessel.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmSurge: Would you like an espresso. I make it with a little lemon twist. It’s good.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
That’s the movie with Aquel…er, Akmel….um, Foley in it…right?
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWe’re sending in more troops so our “coalition of the willing” can quietly remove their young men and women from Bush’s War.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070112/ap_on_re_eu/iraq_shrinking_coalition
January 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by Kevin — January 12, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Don’t feed the idiot troll, folks. Roger_Roger “ranted” about this yesterday.
Besides, it’s off topic.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmWhy bother with words when you have: good and bad.
More american soldiers in Iraq = good
January 12th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIran wanting nukes = bad
WC,
January 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmCorrect, sir. I didn’t know if anyone would get that one. Your head must be filled with as much useless info as mine. ;)
TP never brings up Dirty Dems.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmWC,
Correct, sir. I didn’t know if anyone would get that one. Your head must be filled with as much useless info as mine. ;)
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
That would be valid assessment. : )
January 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmTom Paxton’s song “Waste Deep in the Big Muddy” needs a slight update.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmFYI
January 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmhttp://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4676
Kevin thinks I am going to respond to him. Ha!
January 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmBush only appointed Collin Powell and condi Rice just to decieve us. If Collin Powell would have been dark skinned and condi Rice would have been a man, Bush would not stuck them into his cabinent. Even if he did this would have not changed any policies to improve race relations or his feelings towards black people.DUHbya is is now facing a different challenge. Despite all of that, Bush still has friends in “low places”.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIt’s just awful to see how relentless Duhbya is in persuing his agenda (as a war mungerer). It’s worse that he’s using the only political capital he’s got left (the Executive branch of government) to exercise his imperial powers. Now that we have regained control of both the house and the senate, and senate Reupblicans are now are joining Democrats to finally do what Thomas Jefferson and others who established the United States Government wanted them to do. Check the ballance of power and hold the executive branch of government accountable if congress believes if the executive branch of government has gone too far.
Now that Bush has became well aware of congress (both Democrat AND REPUBLICAN) to hold the purse strings and to stop the executive powers of our government to cease and desist with executive imperial powers, Bush has became even more relentless and more aggressive with help from the media to get his way.
The Zionist Media mouth pieces for the Skinhead Nazies is the only political capital Bush has. CNN (Christian News Network) Nancy Grase, Elaine Quihano, MSNBC (Microsoft Nazi Braodcast Channel) Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchannan, Alison Steward, Monica Crowley, and Andrea Mitchel and Fox News (FO Swastika) Sean Hannity, Bill O’reily and the Beltway Rednecks is all of the skinheads that Bush needs to push his agenda foward.
These are the same skinheads who pushed Hillary Rohdam Clinton to run for office, dispite going after her husband Bill when he took oathe of office in January 1993, the same skinheads who have been saying how “good” the economy is despite the overwhelming majority saying that the economy sucks, the same right–winged skinheads who trashed Speaker of the House Nancy Palozi like a dog, the same skinheads who already took sides with the defense in the Duke Lacrose Rape case.
The Zionist Skinhead Media not only covers Bush’s rear end everytime he is caught in a lie, but the skinhead media would make democrats and Republicans who oppose Bush’s Impearialist zionest agenda as weak on terrorism and unpatriaotic. Remember, This the same skinheads who painted Secratary of State Collin Powell (5 star declarated war General) as unpatriotic. Now their smearing anyone who gets in Bush’s way of a troop surge in Iraq. Now thier puhsing for a war with Iran, all in the name of September 11th. Despite the fact that after all we all know who was really reponsible for what happened on 9/11. You guessed it….. No one other than George W. Bush and his Saudi- Royal Family.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
I liked the first 2 movies, but the 3rd one tanked, IMO. I always thought the third movie should have Rosewood and Taggert traveling to Detroit and helping solve a crime.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI always thought the third movie should have Rosewood and Taggert traveling to Detroit and helping solve a crime.
Comment by WC
Yeah but then you have Detroit as your backdrop for the entire film. Ick.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“Surge isn’t hereâ€
Comment by ForTruth
We’ve all misunderstood this “surge” thing.
It’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge” are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry…
January 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pm“We’ve all misunderstood this “surge†thing.
It’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge†are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry… ”
For some reason I keep thinking of the comic strip Beetle Bailey.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYeah but then you have Detroit as your backdrop for the entire film. Ick.
Comment by dlet — January 12, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
You have a point, but again, IMO, it still would have been better than what we did get in BHC 3. Maybe not by much, but still better.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmOut of curiosity what movie are you discussing, I feel I missed a huge part of the conversation here.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmLooks like the term is catching on:
Hillary heads to Iraq, Afghanistan
GLENN THRUSH
Newsday Staff Writer
January 12, 2007
WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is heading to Iraq and Afghanistan — and calling for a troop “surge” in Afghanistan even though she opposes a similar measure in Iraq.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIt’s just this big guy named Sergio, and he and his friends “the Surge†are going to take care of things in Iraq for us. No problem. Not to worry…
Comment by Zoo — January 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
ohmigawd…we’re sending in the Sicilians!!!
heh…we’re gonna make th’ Iraqis an offer they cannot refuse….then we’re gonna do th’ same to th’ Iranians and th’ Syrians…’till we own the whole f-in’ middle east, you know. bada-bing, bada boom….
January 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYea, we’re gonna “surge” Exlax….even though the Army doesn’t have a clue as to what the f___ a “surge” is.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pmdid I just say “surge” and “Exlax” in the same sentence?
Must’ve been a Freudian slip…..
January 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWern’t many here constantly pointing out while Rumsfeld was Sec. of Defence that there weren’t enought troops to begin with to accomplish securing Iraq? Why is everyone against putting more boots on the ground now?
January 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by hippie with a pistol — January 12, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
I know hippies.
Hippies are friends of mine.
You sir, are NO hippie.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:55 pm.
With ‘augmentation’ she was talking about her breasts.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmLet’s not call it democracy any longer. It’s ‘democrazy’ now.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWhy is everyone against putting more boots on the ground now?
Comment by Tracy — January 12, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Because there is a difference between now and then. Funny how things, well,evolve, like that over time…
I was for zero troops then, just as I am for zero troops now. We had no business attacking Iraq. Pre-emption is against International Law. And Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
January 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNo problem. Not to worry…
Comment by Zoo — January 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Serge is the French equivalent of Sergio. Perhaps Bush was speaking about Sergio’s French buddies?
January 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmSpeaking of semantics,
January 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI have this tremendous surge to kick a sitting president in the nuts right now.
Not while he’s sitting down, though.
I have this tremendous surge to kick a sitting president in the nuts right now.
Comment by RUCerious — January 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
ROTFL
January 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmTracy’s never heard of “throwing good money after bad”, has s/he?.
So far, Tracy, the Pentagon hasn’t been able to equip the troops with time machines, so they could deploy at a time when they would’ve done some good – the time critics have been saying they should’ve been there – THE PAST.
3 YEARS AGO THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE SOME GOOD BUT THEY CAN’T NOW. why is that difficult at all to understand?
January 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmhttp://dissidentnews.wordpress.com/2007/01/12/the-police-state-is-closer-than-you-think-by-paul-craig-roberts/#more-1070
January 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#56, #64 – Tracy , tom baker -
January 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pmtom beat me to the punch, but I can put it more simply: Now is too late.
George has difficulty with either word . To him it is only an erection.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pm#65 – unbelievable,
January 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI’d rather fry them (in place).
To George W Bush, what is the difference between an erection and and election? -
January 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmHe only had one of the former and came and went limp halfway through the first stroke, he has been out-voted in all of the latter.
A boob like Condi should know about augmentation.
-GSD
January 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmSir Greg Nevin sez:
Oh yes…here I go again…calling reichwingnuts on their lies and distortions, and demanding that they back up their perfidious prevarications with fact (which, of course, they never do).
I’m funny like that.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pm“HERE YOU GO AGAINâ€!!!!!!
Take your Monkey Ass and Move to France!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
The hell he did
He said *There you go again*
And he was one of the most unpopular and worst presidents we have ever had
You take your Curious George books out now and read them
It is way past your bedtime
January 12th, 2007 at 8:08 pmTP is nothing but a sleazy discussion board.
/sarcasm
Phuckin’ Surge.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmBush appointed Admiral William Fallon as the new chief of Central Command for the Middle East despite the fact that Fallon, a former Navy aviator and currently head of the Pacific Command, will oversee two ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The choice of Fallon makes more sense if Bush foresees a bigger role for two aircraft carrier groups off Iran’s coast.
Though not considered a Middle East expert, Fallon has moved in neoconservative circles, for instance, attending a 2001 awards ceremony at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, a think tank dedicated to explaining “the link between American defense policy and the security of Israel.”
While some observers believe Israel or the Bush administration may be leaking details of the plans as a way to frighten Iran into accepting international controls on its nuclear program, other sources indicate that the preparations for a wider Middle Eastern war are very serious and moving very quickly.
Without doubt, Bush’s actions in the past two months – reaffirming his determination to succeed in Iraq and warning about a possible regional explosion if he fails – suggest that his future course is an escalation of the conflict, not some “graceful exit.”
-excerpts from Robert Parry’s (of Consortium News) article on truthout.org-
Bushiva and L’il dick are on the nut…
January 12th, 2007 at 8:20 pm63 – but I’d rather lick them instead.
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
NOT me
January 12th, 2007 at 8:28 pmComment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
I emailed TP. Bye.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmIt was some dumbass troll probably that Nevins character
Comment by rachel b blair — January 12, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
It seems to be all some people are capable of…
It happens so much that trolls pretend to be regulars that it has lost all shock value. Which is all they want anyway. Demented little fools.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmTRAITOR Joe Lieberman is refusing to investigate Katrina debacle…
…Democrats were dumb as hell to give that basta*d a committee chairmanship…
…Lieberman is backing Bushiva’s catastrophic escalation plans…
WHY?
…because his loyalties lie with ISRAEL!
…Progressive people of Connecticut…
…clean up your GARBAGE!
…TRAITOR Joe shouldn’t be able to take a crap without protestors harrassing he and his family…
…right OUT of this Congress!!!
…the stakes are too high to play nice…
January 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
How sad… You have no friends so you pretend to be other people who do, and then behave badly hoping to make them feel as sad as you. Won’t work. People know it’s not me.
Well, TP will ban you for this, so I hope it was worth it. You trolls have to be more clever than this. It’s cliche… YAWN.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHello Rachel b.
My condolences to the aforementioned family.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pm63 – but I’d rather lick them instead.
Comment by not-unbelievable
Wouldn’t that require actually possessing twig and berrys’?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pmhttp://www.ww2stories.org/portraits/bill-ersthaler
Hey Rachel b. Read about my step-father.
Have you or your family served yet?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmComment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Since you are the one who brought it up – you must be the one who has it. No shock there.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pmOther than being a troll, have you served your country in any way form or fashion, other than spewing alot of what you think is Patriotism?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmSo now we have a troll so pathetic and desperate they’ve resorted to namejacking unbelievable and posting sophomoric drivel?
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
I pine for the days of Seixon.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmwow, unbelievable, you have your own personal troll now?
What a dubitable honor. And it seems like it’s been following you around for quite some time. Could it be Mitey Coprolite trying to get revenge for the many times you’ve exposed that sad little man?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:53 pmIts easy to tell when some smart ass hijacks someone’s name. I knew it immediatly. No worries.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThat moron is following Unbelievable around.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmThey think by posting things at a progressive site they are somehow supporting the war effort, when in reality they are doing nothing worthy of mention.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmCould it be Mitey Coprolite trying to get revenge for the many times you’ve exposed that sad little man?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 12, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
That was my first thought… He’s the most likely candidate.
He has also namejacked Zoo, Juan and ForTruth.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThey are just kids hiding behind a monitor who have no work history, military history or life experience, they only imitate the spiteful chicken hawk pundits.
January 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pm“That was my first thought… He’s the most likely candidate. He has also namejacked Zoo, Juan and ForTruth. Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 8:57 pm”
Why, do you think *I* could have become enraged at *myself* for all of the honest but *indelicate* posts I’ve been making recently? Aw *shucks*.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmNo worries.
Comment by ForTruth — January 12, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Zep didn’t LOL :D
I guess after spending my workdays with teenage boys, this is pretty anti-climactic stuff. My students are far more clever than this thing…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/12/content_5599355.htm
Brightest comet in 30 years on display now!
Xinhua – 10 hours ago
BEIJING, Jan. 12 (Xinhuanet) — Grab your binoculars and check the evening sky just after sunset or the morning sky before sunrise because a new comet, brighter than the Hale-Bopp comet in 1995, will be visible in the Northern Hemisphere for a week …
Newly discovered comet is blazing a trail across the northern skies Scotsman
January 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmhttp://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=64682007
Zep didn’t LOL :D
Actually I worked at tinker air force base on the AWACS trainers, and also spent time in Alabama replacing and rigging the flight control, and engine cables on the KC-135 strato-tankers.
They are still flying today, thank you very much.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWait –was I right about all those things? I was only guessing. Wow. And you guys all knew about this stuff too?
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
You’ve been right about nothing – it’s why you’re an obvious fraud.
My typing skills might be atrocious, but I do know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Unoriginal trolls who pretend to be others get banned. It’s just a matter of time for you now…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmNaw, they are just messing with your head by agreeing with whatever you say.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pm“It could emerge as the brightest comet in recorded history.”
Thanks for the URL Rachel.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmNow, namestealer, what have you done other than being annoying for no rational reason?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmDAMN!!!!
I want my own personal troll/name hijacker/stalker too…
…unbelievable, ZOO, Juan, ForTruth…
…what makes YOUR posts/personae so…
…hijackable?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWhy can’t I have my own personal troll?
Poo.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmOriginally, the term fascism was used by an Italian political movement that ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini (see Italian fascism). Later, fascism became a more generic term that was meant to cover an entire class of authoritarian political ideologies, parties, and political systems, though no consensus was ever achieved on a precise definition of what it means to be “fascist”.
All right I’m the real ForTruth.
Seems the trollees have resorted to multiple name jacking, causing total confusion and eventually abandonment of the thread.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThey are still flying today, thank you very much.
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Eh? What does that have to do with you thinking I posted the comment about licking things?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmSome unknown troll has been hijacking our screen names for several days now. TP should locate who it is and ban him/her/it from the site, but the troll probably uses several IP services. As for wishing for Seixon back on here, the name hijacker troll could be him, because he wants revenge on unbelievable and me.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmThere is No SURGE in the damn military dickshunary, it’s an escalation. More of our young people are being sent to die for a bick dick named Bush.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMighty Asswipe has hijacked my handle too, UB.
That’s right Seixon was pretty sharp, he debated with energy, honesty and resources. Exlax is a delusional sociopath, MA is a fascist sociopath, Greg Nevins is certifiable, the same way Goebbels was certifiable. IRI was absolutely sane, like Reinhard Heydrich. Did I miss any?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGotta love these passive-aggressive trolls: They annoy, disrupt, insult, threadjack, but then whine and complain when they get banned, crying “Fascism!”.
Their emotional maturity is not beyond a teenager’s. Maybe they even are teenagers themselves… hhmm…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWe do not live in Italy namestealer. I do believe in the balance of power as written in the Constitution.
Name stealers do not get banned because of ‘fascism’, whatever your confused definintion of it is, they get banned for breaking the TOS (Terms of service)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pm…what makes YOUR posts/personae so…
…hijackable?
Comment by big papa — January 12, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
I’m guessing it’s because we are around a lot and we like to cut up with one another, so it is jealous.
You can have this one if you’d like. :D I don’t really want it… Which is exactly why it does this sort of thing. It gets no attention otherwise because it doesn’t have anything interesting or consequential to contribute.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIRI was absolutely sane, like Reinhard Heydrich. Did I miss any?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
NED (North East Dilemma)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMighty Asswipe has hijacked my handle too, UB.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
What happened? How’d you catch him?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmLet’s get over the trolls. Does anyone else like Tom Jones? I think he should do a duet w/Rod Stewart? What do you think?
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
You’re the troll… So, yes, by all means, get over yourself and get your own identity.
Tom Jones? No wonder you don’t have any friends of your own…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmTedious.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm“NED (North East Dilemma) Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm”
Didn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmActually, the U.S. Military Dictionary does define Serge – it is the material that is used to make uniforms for sergeants. C students from Harvard Business School just aren’t as good at spelling as D students from High School.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmJay Randall sez:
No way, Jay. Not his style. Seixon is waaaay too narcissistic to post under anything but his chosen nom de plume.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmRonald W. Reagan was Re-Elected by a LANDSLIDE!!!!
He was a popular president, I will grant you that, but this really has nothing to do with what the republican party has morphed into today.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmNED (North East Dilemma)
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Oh yeah I forgot about him. He was pre-postal.
What happened? How’d you catch him?
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Oh back in September I posted just before her/him. A few minutes later, there was another post with the trademark ‘*****’ and my handle at the bottom of it! Talk about dim. Bruce Gorton saw it first.
Let’s get over the trolls. Does anyone else like Tom Jones? I think he should do a duet w/Rod Stewart? What do you think?
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Tom Jones – I’d throw my boxers at him. Rod Stewart – I wouldn’t throw yours at him. I think Rod screwed his musicians in the early years – wouldn’t share royalties with a lot of his bandsmen. You know how much the mandolin player at the beginning of Maggie May made? $15.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmDidn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
I thought it was Exley.
Roger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmDidn’t you get the memo? Our dear friend converted his delimma into a Roger_Roger!
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool — January 12, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
No way, Pedro. I guess I did not get the memo. Napoleon is easier than NED to sideline, I thought NED went postal.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmGET OUT OF MY FACE!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
The solution is obvious, Greg. Leave if this makes you so upset.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmI wonder when TP is going to respond to the name-jacking. I’m going to guess that it is Sir Gag…..just a hunch.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2545514,00.html
Claims of terror safe haven denied
Times Online – 3 hours ago
Pakistan yesterday rejected allegations by the American National Intelligence Director that the country was a refuge for terror leaders.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0112/p99s01-duts.html
US intel chief: Al Qaeda active, strong in Pakistani hideout
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/488087p-410903c.html
Rabbis throw book at Jimmy
New York Daily News – 17 hours ago
BY OWEN MORITZ. Outraged by Jimmy Carter’s controversial new book, the nation’s largest organization of rabbis yesterday pulled out of a planned visit to the former President’s human rights center in Atlanta.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24746
Carter Center board members rebuke Carter’s leadership BP News
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/carter-fans-quit-over-israel-book/2007/01/12/1168105181409.html
January 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmCarter fans quit over Israel book The Age
“No way, Pedro. I guess I did not get the memo. Napoleon is easier than NED to sideline, I thought NED went postal. Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:31 pm”
We put him on better *pharma*. I’m considering it myself. You apparently see little stars in the computer monitor when you stare at it. Sounds like fun!!!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI am one of the few here whom supported this last augmentation, Sir, and not because I want America to lose. We bought a poor country, and we need to fix our screwup. I have told you of my family history, I in NO way want America to lose. Remember this was too free these people from an Oppressive leader and not to destroy them.
If we do lose it will not be because of these posts here, it will be because of the failure of the commanders, as in Vietnam.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmAnd no I an not what you call a liberal, I am sovereign, as our Lord.
Oh back in September I posted just before her/him. A few minutes later, there was another post with the trademark ‘*****’ and my handle at the bottom of it! Talk about dim. Bruce Gorton saw it first.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Frankly, I am surprised he’s lasted this long with his habitual violation of site rules. He never contributes anything – just insults people and brags about his imaginary life.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmRoger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley.
Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Nah, if anything Exlax is NED. The day Exlax was beaten like a red headed step child, he lied his ass off and proceeded to take a victory lap for himself – that was classic NED now that I think of it.
Wonder where IRI is these days. I’m marooned in Houston this weekend, maybe we can hook up and he can show me what they do for fun, short of dragging black men behind his F350
January 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThe solution is obvious, Greg. Leave if this makes you so upset.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
I think obvious is invisible to the 20%ers… Blind faith and all…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmSir, you are being quite irrational. The troops, and their commanders decide who wins the war, not a fistful of bloggers.
I have much more to lose than you, for my wifes sisters husband is currently servinf in the Air Force. You come in here with pre-conceived notions that are in no way accurate.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pm“Roger Roger is not nearly as clever as Exley. Comment by Zep Tepi — January 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm”
He’s one of my *peeps*, a Cuban *heeb* that sees the freedom from Castro in the efforts of the right wing. It’s why he’s so fervently anti-capitalist and pro-israel. Poor thing, just a confused little brown-bean, that thinks using words in an intentionally vague and misleading manner is *clever*. Too bad his parents didn’t teach him that this is nothing more than a *cheap* form of lying.
He’d probably do a great job handling the *green campaign* of some polluting oil company though. He finds dishonest and word play so much fun – it would be a use of his *talents* to mislead others professionally. A kind of *thank you for smoking*, but without the *cute*, if you know what I mean. I don’t want to be cruel to my co-conservatives, but his family left the *good genes* in cuba. He’s not the prettiest thing to look at – but we still love him at the zionist conventions!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pmTerrytheTurtle —Rod has done pretty well the last few years with his American Classics or whatever series. And it is very common for studio musicians to get screwed when an album or single is a success. You really don’t like Rod?
Comment by the_NEW_unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Nope, don’t like Rod, think he’s overrated. Liked Maggie May though, he has an occasional moment. Joe Cocker was the king of the gravel voice.
Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Nope nothing, despite my email. Judd banned me for impersonating Jesus Christ on his threads. My IP is still blocked – I have to keep on the move (by travel).
January 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI’m going to guess that it is Sir Gag…..just a hunch.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
The repeated misuse of ‘your’ in the hijacked name posts and his own posts suggests you are probably right.
Well, he can have at it. I’m going to get some sleep…
Night all!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pm“Why didn’t he get banned for that?
Frankly, I am surprised he’s lasted this long with his habitual violation of site rules. He never contributes anything – just insults people and brags about his imaginary life. Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:36 pm”
You guys haven’t figured out the *secret* yet? Judd, is such a sweetied. He’s one of those Lieberman DLC types. As long as I keep swearing undying love to Zionism and Israel, he’ll never ban me! I’m his favorite little *crusader* – pardon the pun!
I thought you guys had figured this out long ago!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmZep Tepi – appreciate your response on the escalation. But I can’t agree with you. And sometimes to fix something, the first thing you do is stop banging it on the wall. My other point is, would you sail with the Captain of the Titanic again?
January 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmSorry, I meant *anti-communist* when describing my dear friend exley. It’s just that his advocations really are anti-capitalist, even though he *hates* communists. So I got confused for a second…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmSo that was you, you green clown! (Oh calm down Jesus, think Sermon on the Mount)(blessed are the meek, blessed are the meek)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmYou guys haven’t figured out the *secret* yet? Judd, is such a sweetied. He’s one of those Lieberman DLC types. As long as I keep swearing undying love to Zionism and Israel, he’ll never ban me! I’m his favorite little *crusader* – pardon the pun!
Yes, of course. The Thinkprogress position on Israel is certainly not progressive. I’ve watched Juan, Evil Spaniard as well as myself try to have a serious discussion – ooh how the posts disappear.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmLike I said Sir Gag, if this upsets you, you may leave any time.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmNamestealer, I believe in God and Jesus, and have supported this last escalation for reasons that do not concern Bush, nor the Republican party, but for my own reasons.
The people here may not be Christians, but because I treat them as I would like to be treated we can discuss things rationally, whatever their belief system may be. I do not wish to enforce my belief upon them, nor them me.
Stop and think about what I have said.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pmWonder where IRI is these days. I’m marooned in Houston this weekend, maybe we can hook up and he can show me what they do for fun, short of dragging black men behind his F350
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
I haven’t heard from him since he realized that he couldn’t convert me to his side. Check out NoPC. That’s where he came from and where he said he was going when the spam filter started eating his posts and he thought he was being harrassed by the TP staff…
Nope nothing, despite my email. Judd banned me for impersonating Jesus Christ on his threads. My IP is still blocked – I have to keep on the move (by travel).
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
You were banned for pretenting to be Jesus? Huh? What rule did that violate?
Those posts were hysterical, by the way… You’re one of my all time favorites. I’m confused…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmAh the heck with it, I’m off into the Houston night to go stetson-tipping. Alles schlaf gut.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmGood night! -Fake unbelievable!
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Good night Soon-to-be-banned-troll-pretending-to-be me!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pmThese things like this do not bother me, actually it is humorous. =)
Be the bigger person Nevins.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmGN TTT, UB, NEVINS, RACHEL, ZOO.
Blessings!
January 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWell I suppose that arguably impersonating a living person was against the rules of the site which some might argue Jesus is…..or perhaps doing something blasphemous might upset some of the posters, I dunno. I’m thinking of having a run at some Jewish patriarchs to see how that works out.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmunbelievable – 20%ers… ??? I still have trouble accepting that you are a teacher. I believe you; it’s just sad.
Comment by NOTunbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
Twenty percenters. It’s what we’ve been calling you feeble minds who still support the Bush Regime because you are the 20% of those in polls who say that you support his actions in Iraq.
Clear now? That is how teaching works.
You have trouble accepting you aren’tme. It’s not a stretch to deduce that you have trouble accepting other obvious matters…
January 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDear Willy — THE SHAME IS ON LEFT WING COMMUNIST LIKE YOURSELF WHO ONLY COMPLAIN AND DO NOTHING TO ADVANCE THE SUBJECT AT HAND!!!! WE IMPEACHED SLICK WILLY FOR HIS DISHONEST BEHAVIOR — LYING UNDER OATH IN A FEDERAL SEXUAL HARRASSMENT LAWSUIT. IT WAS THE CONGRESS THAT DIDN’T HAVE THE BALLS TO REMOVE THAT SCUM BAG FROM OFFICE…. PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN’T THROW STONES!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins
Halbert Holmert is that you =)
January 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmMay your god go with you Zep.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWE IMPEACHED SLICK WILLY FOR HIS DISHONEST BEHAVIOR
Yes and Monica was also charged for lying under oath.
Get out of the past man.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYou LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ALL THE SAME —- COMPLETE ASSHOLES!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins
For the last time, I am Sovereign, as your Lord.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:59 pmTerrytheTurtle sez:
Been there myself…more times than I can count
The more TP attempts to further their clandestine agenda, the more they succeed in only making their agenda less clandestine.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pm“I know you are but what am I?” – is that it? How disappointing.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmscroll back Nevins, Look at what you have posted, none here have made the statements as you have, yet you call others assholes?
Show me, Sir, where I have been rude unto you or called you childish names?
January 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWell I suppose that arguably impersonating a living person was against the rules of the site which some might argue Jesus is…..or perhaps doing something blasphemous might upset some of the posters, I dunno.
Oh, so the Jesus Squad might have complained?
I piss them off regularly just by being honest about things. I guess it’s okay as along as I post as myself?
Come to think of it, TP posts corrupt religion threads. It’s not like they don’t set the stage….
I’m thinking of having a run at some Jewish patriarchs to see how that works out.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 12, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
ROTFL…
You’re too funny.
Okay, I’m really going to try to leave now. I’m tired and it sounds like you have some dancing to do!
Good to see you!
January 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmPost 11 by Gregor Samsa summed this catastrophuck up nicely. That post alone made my day just a little better, thanks.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmSir Greg Nevins:
We have yet to see you contribute anything of substance to the discussion.
When do you plan on joining the discussion?
(Hint: typing out infantile insults in all caps doesn’t qualify as ‘discussion’.)
January 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmWell you are the poll expert; or should I say, pole expert?
Ted Haggard thanks you for the compliment.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmNight UB – the Turtle doesn’t two-step, though – the Turtle pogos. And here he goes…..
January 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmThe Thinkprogress position on Israel is certainly not progressive. I’ve watched Juan, Evil Spaniard as well as myself try to have a serious discussion – ooh how the posts disappear.
Been there done that one too.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pmHop on the good foot and do the bad thing TTT =)
January 12th, 2007 at 10:12 pmSo does any else think Britney (Spears), might have just “forgotten†her underpants? I know it happens to me sometimes…Comment by not unbelievable
you are truly lame beyond words.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmNot a very subtle affront to the Congress, Iran and the World is in the works.
There is no troop surge (20,000, don’t make me laugh)…..but a multilateral offensive against Iran, various sectarian groups, and the US Constitution.
The strategy is to draw Iran into a war. Once attacked there will be a surge of American “partrotism”. The belief of the neocons, like Goerring, is they can manufacture an attack on the US to rally the common folk. The onely problem is that theyv’e tried this so danmed many times before that the support will quickly fade, once the faithful realize they have been duped again.
The real definition of victory is: no more credibility for the neocons or hardliners of any sort.
The real shame is that just as in this country, in Iran there was a recent election that rebuked the hardline stance, and Ahmadinajad. Just as Bush was rebuked here, and then by his father’s advisers. But the stubborn never listen, Now the entire middle east and the entire USA is about to be the woodshed he is taken to.
Hardliners never give up unless forced to. After the war with Iran breaks out, Bush will be impeached, led by the Republicans.
Enough of this arrogance.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pm20 percent seem to be a pretty high number and only the result of some repiglican propaganda. As far as I remember Adolf told the Germans as late as February 1945:
January 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pm“Twenty-five years ago I predicted the victory of our movement. Today, filled as always with belief in our nation, I predict the final victory of the German race.”
I would estimate the number of Busch followers like the trolls on TP at around 5 percent. That’s in the same range as their IQ.
#191
Maybe You should try to quote from Jimmy Carter’s book?
January 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pmBut watch the flying books!
Maureen Dowd: “I feel good about the new war with Iran.
How can you not have confidence in the crackerjack team that brought you Operation Iraqi Freedom…?
I say, bring it on. If a pre-emptive war in Iraq doesn’t work, why not try a pre-emptive war on Iran in Iraq?”
January 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amlol
January 13th, 2007 at 12:43 amwow! you took away my post!? thats a first. did i think beyond your progression? sounds like a job opportunity more than a ban.
January 13th, 2007 at 12:48 ammy bad
January 13th, 2007 at 12:49 amhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aFOgp5SUnMlo&refer=home
Japan Warns of Tsunami Following Major Quake in Pacific Ocean
Bloomberg – 23 minutes ago
By Steven Bodzin and Hiroshi Suzuki. Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) — Japan’s Meteorological Agency issued a tsunami warning over the eastern coast of Hokkaido in northern Japan after an earthquake northeast of the island that the US Geological Survey measured …
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP199617.htm
January 13th, 2007 at 1:08 amTsunami warning in Japan after strong Pacific quake
Reuters AlertNet
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=48814&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs
Iran demands halt in US illegal moves in Iraq
IranMania News – 31 minutes ago
LONDON, January 13 (IranMania) – Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki condemned the US raid on Iran’s Consulate General in Erbil, saying such an attempt runs contrary to the Vienna Convention, IRNA reported.
Iraq: Detained Iranians had gov’t authorization Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467721432&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Iraqi FM: Liaison Office Raided in Thursday’s Operation in Irbil Voice of America
January 13th, 2007 at 1:27 amhttp://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-12-voa23.cfm
rachel – PULL my finger. POST 132 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 12, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
rachel b blair – smell my finger. POST 210 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by unbelievable — January 13, 2007 @ 1:39 aM
Who would quote the San Jose Mercury News today? Dumbass. POST 202 OF THE * Official U.S. Military Dictionary Includes ‘Escalation,’ Not ‘Surge’ * THREAD
Comment by unbelievable — January 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Sir Greg Nevins
The proof that you have hijacked unbelievables name here tonight is posted above
The real unbelievable would not have said that
January 13th, 2007 at 3:03 amhttp://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=5932972&nav=3w6o
WFIE-TV – 38 minutes ago
Rice: Bush authorised raids on Iranians in Iraq
Washington & Bahghdad: Recent US military raids against Iranians in Iraq were authorised by President George W. Bush under an order for a broad offensive against Iranian operatives in the country, the New York Times said on its Web site on Friday.
“There has been a decision to go after these networks,” the Times quoted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice saying in an interview conducted on Friday before leaving on a Middle East trip.
She said Bush issued the order several months ago “after a period of time in which we saw increasing activity” among Iranians in Iraq “and increasing lethality in what they were producing.”
The Bush administration has long accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, including providing weapons and training to Shi’ite forces.
But US military officials and Iranian exiles say there is increasing evidence that many of the most sophisticated roadside bombs being used against US troops are produced in Iran.
January 13th, 2007 at 3:27 amhttp://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=5934310
Tsunami warning issued for coast
KTUU – 50 minutes ago
by Megan Baldino and Mike Ross. Anchorage, Alaska – A tsunami advisory was issued earlier tonight for parts of coastal Alaska and has caused some frazzled nerves around the state.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4468337.html
Tsunami warning issued for Alaska Houston Chronicle
http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/10737004/detail.html
January 13th, 2007 at 3:41 amHawaii Under Tsunami Watch After Japan-Area Quake Hawaii Channel.com
This man has invited a military coup.
It’s time for these Generals – who swore an oath to uphold the CONSTITUTION (not coddle the DICTATOR) – to fulfill their promise – made to the American People.
Bush IS a Domestic Terrorist according to the definition proscribed to by our own State Department.
We are a nation of laws – and Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Chertoff, etc. are CLEARLY OUTLAWS.
The Constitution REQUIRES that those who swore the oath ACT to remove a DOMESTIC ENEMY and charge him for the crimes he has already committed.
Bush has literally INVITED this response.
Waiting is NOT AN OPTION. A nuclear strike against Iran is planned to come any day – and Martial Law will be declared here in the US at the same time.
January 13th, 2007 at 4:11 amMary Mary quite contrary, how does your plunger grow?
January 13th, 2007 at 5:24 amThe conquest of the Middle East is being conducted at Israel’s INSISTENCE – via BLACKMAIL.
Their espionage has resulted in Israel controlling the nuclear targeting and launch codes of our US nuclear arsenal. As Sharon stated clearly “Israel CONTROLS the US.”
Expose the criminals in the Bush Cabal who are so guilty on so many levels that they have allowed the United States to fall into foreign control. Expose the blackmail. EVERYTHING that is happening is under the direct control of Israel. If the new hate crimes legislation passes, it will be illegal to even discuss it. THAT is the reason ISRAEL is promoting it through their AIPAC-owned puppets in Congress.
Freedom of Speech is on the line. EXPOSE IT!
January 13th, 2007 at 5:26 amCould we please stop putting time into discussing with what terms we should label the total CATASTROF*CK that is Iraq. Surge or escalation, treason or betrayal, president or puppet. There is no meaning left in the words we use anyway: an economy is not an economy if it’s not without waste. A civilization is not a civilization if the brutality and incivility of war is still present. A nation is not a nation if there’s no unity whatsoever in it to be found. How can we speak of societies when there’s not a social man to be found on earth in the real sense and meaning of the term. Freedom is nothing but the opportunity to starve, terrorism is nothing but the lashback of decades of imperialism and oppression and if everybody really wanted world peace it would’ve been here for a long time by now. Open your damned eyes, think for yourself and please don’t think it’s normal to use these EMPTY WORDS IN MEANINGLESS, often even plain stupid or contradicting, PHRASES like politicians and corporations do in an effort to numb down the intelligence and resistance of mankind.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:07 amSorry about the multiple posts
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20070112-114817-2165r
Vets group blasts DOD Reserves move
United Press International – 18 hours ago
January 13th, 2007 at 6:32 amNEW YORK, Jan. 12 (UPI) — An Iraq and Afghan veterans group Friday protested a US Department of Defense decision to revise Reserves mobilization limits.
He told me that one of his main suppliers had been an interpreter working for the US army in Baghdad. “He had a deal with an American officer. We bought brand new AKs and ammunition from them.” He claimed the American officer, whom he had never met but he believed was a captain serving at Baghdad airport, had even helped to divert a truckload of weapons as soon as it was driven over the border from Jordan.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:40 amWhen lobbies are for different arguments truth gets hampered iin the process. Press ethics should dictate that no one distorts truth beyond recognition.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
January 13th, 2007 at 7:10 amThe truth of this whole matter goes like this:
When you are coming up with headlines, Escalation is too long a word. You have a limited amount of space you can fit this in, and escalation is two syllables too long to really work.
So what TP should be doing, is starting a campaign to replace the word “Surge” with “Up.”
Just my 2 cents on the matter.
January 13th, 2007 at 8:21 amSomebuddy used the term “ejaculation” instead of ” escalation”.I think that’s pretty accurate.We’re happily ejaculating troops into Irak’s vagina(the shiite provinces).There can be only one survivor/winner….May it be General William Fallus?
The deciding pre-decided orgasm comes from the war masturbator in chief, Mr GW Bush, mating with concubine whore Mrs Juana McCain resembling Clinton-Lewinsky’s episode, revisited in warmongering style.
F***ing degenerates!! Ted Haggard was not alone!!
January 13th, 2007 at 9:26 amUS sends warplanes to Turkey’’s Incirlik military base
MIL-TURKEY-US-INCIRLIK
US sends warplanes to Turkey’s Incirlik military base
ANKARA, Jan 11 (KUNA) — U.S. F-16 jet-fighters arrived Thursday in Incirlik Air base in southern Turkish city of Adana after, the first time in three years.
According to Local Cihan News Agency, at least 16 F-16 jets joined by early warning system AWACS airplane, as well as tanker airplanes landed here at Incirlik coming from an American base in Germany.
An official at the U.S. embassy in Ankara announced that the planes arrived here for purpose of conducting exercises with the Turkish military in line with agreements between the two states.
Incirlik base was used as a northern recon base for American forces during the Iraqi war in 2003 and since then the base served as a logistic backup for the U.S. army.
Namik Tan, spokesman for the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, also confirmed that the U.S. planes arrived for exercises’ purposes. (end) tk.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:44 amSir Greg Nevins
The proof that you have hijacked unbelievables name here tonight is posted above
The real unbelievable would not have said that
Comment by rachel b blair — January 13, 2007 @ 4:23 am
Thanks Rachel – it is pretty undeniable that Greg was impersonating me. I emailed TP asking to delete his comments. I’m sure they will.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:01 amSir Greg Nevins
Your posts, your hijacking of people’s identities, and your basic lack of manners, more then shows how the extreme right view civil discourse.
Thus I am forced to translate what I could put politely to most lefties, into rightwing-ese:
Piss off you wanker.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amI cannot believe people are arguing over a freaking word. Republicans want to call it a surge, dems want to call it an escalation. Who really cares what it is called? The fact remains that this President just signed in advance a whole lot more death certificates.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amWe’re waist deep in the big muddy, the big fool says to push on. – Pete Seeger
1965, Tom Paxton sang,
Lyndon Johnson told the nation
Have no fear of escalation.
I am trying everyone to please.
Though it isn’t really war,
We’re sending 50,000 more
To help save Vietnam from the Vietnamese.
Four decades later, Bush is asking us to save Iraq from the Iraqis.
Words courtesy of Greg Palast
January 13th, 2007 at 11:46 amhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207E.shtml
During the Vietnam war, MacNamara, the Secretary of Defense, under Kennedy and then Johnson, would return from Vietnam, descend the steps from his airplane, step to the microphone and announce that just 50,000 or 100,000 more troops and Vietnam would be won. That scene occurred over and over again with depressing certainty for several years from 63 to 69, when Nixon took over and MacNamara was removed. In ‘68 they instituted the draft lottery. Suddenly, even College couldn’t protect young men from the draft. Things started to get really grim. But that was 5 years AFTER the first incursions by the Green Berets, the special forces. Kennedy sent them in first to terrorize and gather intelligence. Five years and two presidents later, we were in even deeper. Nixon widened the war and started bombing Cambodia. Eventually several millions Vietnamese and no one knows how many Cambodians lost their lives, and 50,000 American soldiers.
I have the sickening feeling we are only at the beginning of this nightmare.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:57 am“I emailed TP asking to delete [Sir Greg Nevins'] comments. I’m sure they will.”
I have done the same. Adults should be able to have meaningful conversations without spoiled children constantly interrupting.
January 13th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAddendum
Of course, it took Gen. Westmoreland phoneying up the numbers of North Vietnamese soldiers killed to make it look like we were winning. We were never winning. The North Vietnamese were defending their country, their land, as the Shiite and Sunni are. Time and time again the Vietcong would drag hundreds of cannons over mountain ranges by foot and win battles, to the total surprise and grim dismay of the Americans.
And when Saigon fell, the Vietcong had managed to dig, by hand, tunnels all under the city, even under the American embassy. The day the helicopters took off for the final time from the embassy roof, the Vietcong were coming up through the tunnels into the embassy and the rest of the city.
Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
January 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pmCondi needs to get her academic arse out of the books and wise up. Maybe if the dyke had a family, she’d care more about putting young kids in harm’s way.
January 13th, 2007 at 12:44 pmIt’s Vietnam all over again -
“U.S. officials tell CBS News that American forces have begun an aggressive and mostly secret ground campaign against networks of Iranians that had been operating with virtual impunity inside Iraq.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told Congress on Friday that Iranians are now on the target list.
“Twice in the last two or three weeks, in pursuit of those networks, when we have gone and captured those cells, we’ve captured Iranians,” said Gen. Peter Pace. ”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/12/politics/main2355951.shtml
January 13th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThis will end badly Children of Lir….
Ah there’s Bruce Gorton – thought you might have joined the banned list on account of a few too many Israel-Palestine postings….
January 13th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI never thought I would live to see the US repeat Vietnam. I thought we had learned. I hoped we had. Now I despair. Perhaps my father was right. Human beings are pathetic and not very bright. Animals have more intelligence.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:20 pm‘New troops may leave Iraq in coffins’
US President George W. Bush’s new Iraq strategy risks sending thousands of American troops to their deaths, a spokesman for radical Iraqi cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has warned.
“The American people have to prevent their sons from coming to Iraq or they may return in coffins,” said Sheikh Abdel Razzaq al-Nadawi, a senior official in al-Sadr’s movement in the Shiite holy city of Najaf.
On Thursday, Mr Bush announced a plan to reinforce the 130,000-strong US force in Iraq with 21,500 extra troops to help Iraqi forces take on illegal militias such as al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.
“The problem of Iraq is the US presence and … increasing this presence will double the problem,” Mr al-Nadawi has said.
“This is not the first plan announced by Bush. All plans have failed and this plan will not be any better. We do not welcome this strategy and moreover we do not welcome the US soldiers,” he said.
BASICALLY WHAT SADR IS SAYING IS “Bring em on ” But I beleive Hilary is going to baghdad next week to try for the oil contracts first
January 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pmIn the name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate. Every second the US consumes over 5000 barrels of oil. Each barrel contains 32.5 gallons. Do the math. Goerge Bush said that it is a matter of national security to keep pumping oil from Iraq to the US. And the estimate of the oil stolen from Itaq is between 4 and 5 million barrels a day. In addition to the stolen millions of barrels of oil, over 600,000 civilian Muslim men, women, and children have been killed. And much more will be killed in the future. And for greed, this plan will definitely work.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmBush started this senseless war and he should end it. I think that the U.S. should pull out of Iraq immediately and without delay.
The U.S. cannot accomplish anything in Iraq. This is a war that America will lose and deserves to lose. The U.S. had no business going over there in the first place.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI never thought we’d have another Vietnam, either, but the person who started this war never served in Vietnam and didn’t pay much attention to it at the time. Add that to the fact that as governor of Texas he gleefully put many people to death, so he is well practiced in being desensitized to killing people. In Texas he was worshipped as a god for putting more people to death than any other governor of any other state. He can’t understand why all of America is not worshipping him now, so he will simply keep killing more people until they do.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmTerrytheTurtle
I suspect they kind of agree with me on Israel. Besides, I more join in then start those arguments.
Anyway, back to topic: Seriously, the length of one’s words does play a major consideration in headlines. Escalation, though a nice word in the body of a story, is just that little bit too long. Surge is short, snappy, and grabs attention, it can also be taken as a sign of exhaustion.
Up is shorter, which means you can include more words in the headline. Rise is good, but it implies strength and right now more troops is not a strong move, but rather a desperate gambit by a man so afraid of his legacy and so limited in his imagination, that throwing more lives at the Iraq problem is all he can think of.
A surge tends to imply a sort of weakness, like America trying to use the last of its strength – which in truth is how a lot of people see it. You are scraping the barrel as it is – how long are you going to be able to increase those numbers without bringing in the draft?
January 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pmEr Saladin – Iraqi oil production never exceeded 3m barrels a day even before the Iran-Iraq war……and none of the Iraqi oil ends up in the US, it goes to Europe or to the Far East…..
January 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pm600,000 people dead in the war – yes probably, but many muslims killing other muslims…that responsibility is shared. Your inaccuracies and slanting of detail detracts from your credibility Saladin.
That was all this senseless, imperialist war was over Saladin, was for Iraq’s oil. That is it.
Iraq never possessed weapons of mass destruction, Iraq never supported terrorists. Iraq never had any links to the tragedy of 9/11 and Iraq never threatened the U.S..
The only reason why the U.S. went into Iraq was to overthrow the Iraqi government and control Middle East oil and turn the Middle East into a military garrison.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIraq did support national liberation movements like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the PLO and other militant Palestinian organizations. But these are liberation movements, not terror organizations like Al-Qaeda.
The U.S. got Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden started during the 1980’s in Afghanistan when the U.S. imperialists started poking their noses in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda was the CIA boys from Afghanistan. The CIA trained and armed them.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:01 pmBrandon Harris
Actually, they got started because Russia invaded Afghanistan. The plan was to arm the population with the skills they needed to defend themselves. It backfired badly, because ultimately after the cold war, those same guys, along with guys trained by the KGB, figured America was just as bad as Russia.
Lets keep our facts straight.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSir Greg Nevins, Bush is the worst president the U.S. has ever had. He will be the worst president of the 21st. century.
Bush does not care about poor people, working people or sick people. All he cares about is the super rich that he can give tax cuts to and raise taxes for the poor and working class. Bush vetoed legislation to fund stem-cell research. Stem-cell research will open the door to cures for life threatening and debilitating diseases. Bush, could care less and vetoed it. What does that tell you?
Bush wants to make abortion illegal and try to pass a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. I do not think intolerance and bigotry should be written into our constitution. I also think a woman should be allowed to have an abortion if she so wishes. That is not the place of the government to decide for you.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:08 pmIraq did support national liberation movements like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the PLO and other militant Palestinian organizations.
Comment by Brandon Harris #256
Brandon,
…the right wing zionist inbred talking point that Saddam paid out $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers…
…is nothing more than MORE al Crackkker hypocrisy and double standard…
…the U.S. offers vast sums of “insurance death benefits” to the families of fallen soldiers…
…and I’m quite sure Israel does too…
…fu*k the dumb sh*t…
…who’s fooling who?
January 13th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI REPEAT…
…because I point out Jewish hypocrisy and bad behavior…
…does not make me anti-Semitic…
…no more than pointing out the disgusting mindset, behavior and actions of al Crackkkers makes me a racist…
…(I am NOT)…
…I categorically REJECT such myopic (self-serving) notions…
January 13th, 2007 at 2:16 pmTo Bruce, the Russians did not invade Afghanistan. The Russians were asked to assist the Afghani government by Dr. Najibullah, who was the President of Afghanistan at the time. The U.S. said it was an invasion. Actually it wasn’t. The Russians were there to help prop up the Marxist Afghani government to help them fight against Islamic extremists. The U.S. saw this as an opportunity and also helped the Islamic extremists and called them ‘freedom fighters’ to the mainstream media.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:19 pmTo Big Papa, I see where you are coming from. The Zionists will say that Iraq supported terrorism in their country. They didn’t.
However, the Zionist-Entity and Amerikkka will call a group terrorist because they are an irregular military. I know Amerikkka will call a group of people terrorists because they are fighting to free their homeland from occupation and oppression. However, they are fighting to liberate their people. It was nice that countries like Libya and Cuba helped these people liberate themselves from oppression and offer sanctuary to people fleeing oppression.
Assata Shakur fled oppression right here in Amerikkka and Cuba gave her sanctuary and a place to live. Assata did not murder that cop on the New Jersey Turnpike by the way. She was railroaded by an all white jury in Morris County, NJ.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmI also sympathize with the Iraqi Resistance and I hope they have a victory in Iraq over the U.S. imperialist occupation of that country.
They are fighting for their freedom from U.S. imperialism and occupation. The U.S. had no business going into Iraq, nor did the Iraqi people as for our help.
The U.S. does not need to send in additional troops. The Iraqis who are fighting the U.S. in Iraq want the U.S. to leave. No one will follow us here to fight us. Once the U.S. leaves Iraq, the fighting against the U.S. will stop.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pmNixon and Kissinger committed war crimes due to bombing Cambodia to smitherines in 1969-70. Over 600,000 innocent Cambodian civilians were killed all because Nixon wanted Cambodia to submit to a treaty that would help end the Vietnam War. The Vietnam conflict spilled into Cambodia and Laos because the U.S. turned Vietnam into a bloodbath.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pmBush is not the worst president of the 21st century. That would be Robert Mugabe.
He is however, gaining a name amongst a lot of historians, as being the worst president in American history.
Consider this, Bush has yet to have a single unmarred success:
Unlike Kennedy, who through diplomatic relations disarmed the Missile crisis, Bush has failed to do the same in both Iran and North Korea.
Unlike LBJ who had a major success in civil rights, Bush has pushed back civil rights in ways which are unprecedented even going back to the days of English rule.
Unlike Nixon, who eventually had the courage to admit defeat and get America out of Vietnam, Bush has practiced “Stay the course” even as it has repeatedly failed.
Unlike Ford, who managed to bring about great moves forward in America’s treaties (Helsinki, which led to Human Rights Watch) Bush has trashed several of the most important treaties in the world today (NPT, Helsinki, Geneva.)
Unlike Carter, who demonstrated real courage, administrative ability and bravery in the Three Mile Island incident; Bush ran and hid on 9/11.
Unlike Reagan, who saw the fall of one of America’s great rivals, Bush has created a whole lot of new ones.
Unlike Bush Snr, who won the first Gulf war, Jnr has landed America in two which are now looking more and more unwinnable as time goes on.
Unlike Clinton, who managed to pay off 10% of America’s foreign debt during his reign, Bush has doubled America’s debt and managed to produce America’s third worst inflation adjusted deficit in history. This is quite an achievement considering the fact that Iraq, unlike WWII (1943, and ‘45 are the years which beat 2004) isn’t included in America’s deficit figures.
Go back through your history, you will find these same things hold true – every other president has gotten something right. Bush has failed in every arena, from the enviroment, to the economy, to disaster management, to AIDS, to foreign affairs I honestly can’t think of a thing he has done which can’t be argued as a screw-up – except for the fact that he has managed to screw up so spectacularly.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmGood points. What seems to be lacking in the corporate embedded media is that Iraqis have a plan of their own for reconciliation and stabilization of their country but this regime isn’t even interested. Instead it prefers “war without end” for it’s own nefarious purposes.
We must get that information out so that it cannot be swept under the rug.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWhat do you feed an ego with an eating disorder? “Did Someone Order 21,500 More Human Sacrifices and a Large Buffalo Wings?”
The .jpg at the top is alone worth the price of admission.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmBruce, I like President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. He has done alot for the people of Zimbabwe and liberated Zimbabwe from an apartheid government. He even assisted anti-apartheid and pan-African forces in South Africa. He is a good friend of Presidents Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Fidel Castro of Cuba and Mu`ammar al-Qadhafi of Libya.
America and Britian vilify Mugabe and make him out to be a bad person. British colonialists and imperialists want to impose their will on Zimbabwe and that is why they have placed economic sanctions on Zimbabwe.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pmEconomic sanctions and blockades are an act of war.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pmZimbabwe is not a threat to the U.S.. Bush does not like governments that actually help their own people. That is why Bush and the CIA tried to overthrow President Hugo Chavez in 2002.
January 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmBrandon Harris
Robert Mugabe has:
Brought in torture squads, comitted genocide, destroyed people’s homes, caused the first famine in Zimbabwe’s recorded history, and you say you like this guy? Come off it.
What Robert Mugabe is, is a slimy little dictator who got away with one hell of a lot of crap, because he is black, and the world is racist. Had the world actually taken a look at Robert Mugabe back before he “Went mad” in the face of actually having a viable opposition party, he would not have been getting awards during the same period that he was killing Ndebele’s for voting for the other guy.
Next up: Achievements for the people of Zimbabwe? No. Achievements for the people Zanu-PF who happened to be his cronies? Yes. Those farms that got redistributed when he first entered office went to high up political figures, the whole landgrab recently, included grabs of land of black guys who just weren’t Zanu-PF enough. It also included brutal beatings and murders of farm labourers who objected to the land’s owners being driven out because they recognised that they were going to lose their jobs.
Rhodesia was run in an unfair manner, but with nothing like the systematic repression that Mugabe has brought in. Of course, because Robert Mugabe is Black, and Ian Smith was white, it is automatically okay for Robert Mugabe to institute racist, repressive policies which include doing away with even the illusion of press freedom, democracy and human rights now isn’t it?
January 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBruce, do you have sufficient evidence to back up what you said about Mugabe?
What do you think of Presidents Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
I love Hugo Chavez because he has helped his people. He has helped the poor people of the U.S. with free heating oil. He was right to call Bush, “The Devil” at the U.N. and he also offered to send medical clinics with doctors and nurses to areas hit by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Bush did nothing for those people down there. He sent a goon squad of National Guardsmen and police in and the police opened fire at anyone that moved.
Presidents Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would not have done something like this. Presidents Chavez and Ahmadinejad are fighting against imperialism.
January 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmTHE WAR IS ABOUT OIL
Iraqi trade unions attack plans for foreign company control of oil
Read BASRA OIL UNION
http://www.basraoilunion.org/
January 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBrandon Harris
I know Zimbabweans who have suffered under Mugabe and escaped.
As for evidence for you?
Go read any bloody newspaper from the last five years on any story on Zimbabwe, go read about the frigging heroic Zimbabwean press and how it was put down.
Go read up on Zimbabwean prisons, go read up on the facts of the situation in Zimbabwe – the only African country since 1994 to have had its economy move backwards.
Go talk to Zimbabweans, and then tell me this is a great man.
Further, while you have decided to accuse me of lying, go read up on Wikipedia on the genocide of the Ndebeles. Go read up on it because it is common knowledge or at least should be.
As to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? He is largely irrelevant save that he has done one very nice thing for Europe and the world at large: Moved over to trading in Euros. This means a Euro oil bourse is coming, which means ultimately a strong chance for the rest of us to get cheaper fuel.
Chavez, is okay. He is a bit idealistic, his idea with taking over the oil fields is morally correct, in that you do not want such a large source of income to basically end up with the profits in another country and the long term costs in yours. I do think it was bloody stupid that the rand went down on his announcement that he was going to do that though – South Africa isn’t even on the same continent. What it does do though, is prove that currency speculation is rife in the world today, and it is bloody hard to run an economy when your manufacturers don’t know how much they are paying for anything they import or how much they are getting for anything they export.
January 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWhat did you expect? To actually WIN in iraq? ha!
January 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmBruce, you are referring to the Gukurahundi which took place in the Ndebele provinces during the 1980’s by the Fifth Brigade. I read this on wikipedia. The Ndebele are a Zulu people.
January 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmGet ready to roll your pants legs up cause the predicted bullshit is about to begin.
Democrats are going to stack the seats of congressional panels then push statements out to the media. The media will then run these statements worded in a way as to imply that it is something that it is not.
A good example for instance: The Congressional Budget Office or “CBO” will likely issue a statement that the economy is in dire straights and that it is as a result of tax cuts. This is the message that they need to get out in order to raise taxes. They need to convince the people that lower taxes resulted on a problem that can only be remedied by raising taxes. The statement will be then parroted throughout the media as “Facts that were found by a non-partisan committee”
Just remember I predicted it would happen simply because I know their strategy and their strategy is easy to figure it never changes. Interesting though that the media never seems to notice their being snookered….. or do they?
Also remember that this flies in the face of logic and history the economy is driven by the GDP and the driven by increased revenue. Its like stoking the fire in a steam engine with tax cuts to get the locomotive moving.
But when they increase taxes and remove that fuel the economy will slow. They actually are astute enough to know this already. So the trick is to spoil the economy before 2008 and use the media to blame it on Bush and tax cuts.
January 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmA military attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities will have a devastating impact. “The attacks won’t be confined to nuclear installations,” says Agha. “They must target military facilities too to ensure that Iran cannot retaliate with missiles and air strikes against Israel and U.S. troops and installations in the Middle East. This will cause extensive destruction.”
The consequences would be even graver once the civilian nuclear reactor being built at Bushehr with Russian assistance is loaded with fuel, scheduled for the end of 2007. Bombing it after it has gone critical would cause another Chernobyl, with devastating global effects.
The overall human consequences of an attack on Iran will be catastrophic. These are likely to invite a strong retaliation through an accelerated Iranian nuclear weapons program and military attacks on Israeli and U.S. targets.
“This will precipitate a conflagration in the Middle East,” argues Agha. “That will tend to unite Muslims across the board. The only way the US and Israeli can deal with this is by provoking a Shi’te-Sunni sectarian divide, just as in Iraq. This will have further damaging global consequences and will make the fight against terrorism far more difficult. The world will become a far more dangerous place.”
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January 24: All eyes on parliament
On Wednesday 24 January, for the second time in three months, MPs will have a parliamentary debate and vote on the issue of Iraq. The last time, on 31 October, MPs shamefully voted against an inquiry into the war. This time MPs should be left in no doubt that they must reflect the views of the overwhelming majority of British people, who say the Iraq war must end and all troops be brought home
The last time, on 31 October, was lost by 25 votes. Incredibly only 12 Labour MPs supported the call for an inquiry. Many MPs who have previously called for an end to the war either supported the government or abstained. In these circumstances an abstention can only be seen as effective support for the government.
The text of the motion is based on Early Day Motion 1088
January 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“That this House believes that there should be a select committee of seven honourable Members, being members of Her Majesty’s Privy Council, to review the way in which the responsibilities of government were discharged in relation to Iraq and all matters relevant thereto, in the period leading up to military action in that country in March 2003 and in its aftermath.”
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January 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThis is a US torture camp
The British detainees known as the Tipton Three allege they were repeatedly beaten, shackled in painful positions for long periods and subjected to sleep deprivation. They were also subjected to strobe lighting, loud music and extremes of hot and cold – all meant to break them psychologically. Other detainees have suffered beatings, sexual assaults and death threats. At least one man has been “water boarded” – tied to a board and placed under water so that he had the sensation of drowning.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmAccording to the Red Cross, the regime at Guantánamo causes psychological suffering that has driven inmates mad, with scores of suicide attempts and three inmates killing themselves last year.
rachel b blair is a neocon who moves posts down as not to be read
Comment by Blair is a murderer
Only if youre too lazy to scroll down the page
I am a registered democrat and always will be
January 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThey need to close Guantanamo up. That is a concentration camp. You cannot detain people for nearly six years without due process, a right to a fair trial and a right to consult with counsel and their family and friends.
I am going to contact my congressman because we have a new one now and I am going to ask him that he demand that Guantanamo is closed.
There is no evidence to support that any of the detainees are terrorists. The U.S. just went into Afghanistan and captured any one and put them there. That is not right.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmI am a Marxist-Leninist and always will be until the day I die.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmMy Webster’s dictionary has no entry for the word “blog” – does that mean TP does not exist? Or is it realllly something ELSE? Hmmmm….
January 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmDear Brandon – The EASIEST thing in the world is to be a Marxist-Leninist. You allow yourself to be generous with other people’s money and congratulate yourself for spreading the misery equally. Psst – Hint to Brandon – Drop the Lenin-adulation……read up on him and you’ll note he wasn’t as generous and magnanonous as you seem to think…..
January 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pmTalk about easy
The Neocons will do anything for money – they are the definition of EASY
January 13th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt’s easy to be a marxist leninist? – What the hell are you talking about? Easy?
M.A. you are an idiot. Obviously you have never even tried to read a marxist leninist tract. Or if you did, you weren’t able to follow the logic. Dialectics. Too difficult for you.
Easy. No.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pmLenin was a great revolutionary leader. I also respect him and Chairman Mao Zedong.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pm“Capitalism will create its own gravediggers.” Karl Marx.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pmBrandon
I think you’ve lost your way when it comes to respecting Mao Zedong –
millions died thanks to him, what is it exactly that you respect.
Unless you were to say – how does he differ from Lyndon Johnson, Nixon, and now Bush, under whose watch millions have also died.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pmMighty Aphrodite
When will you be happy, when will your hunger for death be satisfied, when will you neocons get your fill… how much death will you require, how much blood sacrifice, how many children without parents, exactly what is your price to step away and leave the world in peace.
My guess is you would answer, nothing will satisfy, no amount of death and destruction will ever satisfy you – only the destruction of the entire world do for you.. And why? because you were mistreated as a child? Devalued, humiliated, smited. But Jesus rose above such pain and hatred , so why can’t you. Surely you believe in Jesus. You must. Or do you believe in the devil.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmBecause of the great leap forward, the cultural revolution from 1966-76 and Khmer Rouge. He abolished capitalism in China and made China an industrialized nation.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI also respect Ho Chi Minh because he fought against U.S. imperialism and colonialism in Vietnam. Sadly, he died in 1969 and did not get to see his people defeat the United States.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmKhmer Rouge, No Brandon, either you are naive or you are a fraud. You cannot possibly be proud of the Khmer Rouge. THey murdered in cold blood millions of THEIR own. Not another country’s population, but THEIR OWN people.
Who are you Brandon? Either you are crazy, extremely ignorant, or a whatdoyoucallit, a spy, a troll.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI’m an Army brat. One thing I never expected to hear has just happened; the offical military term for something (escalation), is clearer and less euphemistic than the civilian terms (surge, augmentation)
January 13th, 2007 at 6:15 pmHO Chi Minh, ok.
But Brandon, I think you’re a plant. You dont’ what you are talking about.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI like Che Guevara because he wanted to spread Chinese style revolution to the Western Hemisphere.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pmMaybe Brandon is also Mighty Aphrodite
January 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmBrandon, you’re done. Put the CIA book down and signoff. Good bye Brandon
January 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBrandon, M Aphro
No matter what you try to do, you won’t ever be able to stop the truth
And the truth is – Bush is a war criminal – that’s the truth
And the Iraq war is as illegal as it comes
And any further escalation is just more illegal murder
Some day Bush and company will have to stand at the bar of justice and answer for their crimes
January 13th, 2007 at 6:21 pmMoving the F-16s to Incirlik is no big deal unless they are there to escort B-1s and/or B-29s
January 13th, 2007 at 6:23 pmSo when will the Democrats honor the November mandate to stop the war? The Dems need some guts and some integrity. Sen Biden speaks with forked tongue. Hilary is running off to IRaq to do what? TO waste time. What can you learn in Iraq if you don’t go outside the Green Zone? Nothing. You can learn more by reading the alternative press. And what about Kucinich. Again so bold a few weeks ago, now nowhere to be found. What kind of a Quisling is he? Makes me tremble with anger when I think of how he siphoned off perfectly good votes and then threw his weight behind the Dem ticket. He is a traitor to his own words.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:25 pmPluky
Explain – the B-1s and B-29s are bombers. THe F-16s are escorts.
Meaning – bombing runs are in the offing
January 13th, 2007 at 6:31 pmChildrenofLir sez:
Unfortunately, Bush has vowed that the escalation is a go, regardless of what Congress says about it. You can read about it here.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:47 pmI am not Mighty Aphrodite. I am also not a plant. I know what I am talking about. I am affiliated with the North American Council Against Zionism and Imperialism. We support Kim Jong Il and the Korean Revolution and anti-imperialist struggles worldwide.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:51 pmChildrenoflir, I had someone similar to you lastnight give me some crap about what I believe in. I think you are a dogmatic leftist or a leftist gatekeeper for Israel.
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January 13th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI know that Bush is a war criminal. What the hell does that have to do with Lenin or Mao? Lenin, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot did what they had to do to purge their nations of any rebelliousness. Also, if you would read Chomsky, you would see that he is also skeptical of Pol Pot murdering millions of people.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmBrandon
You are the epitome of dogmatic
Kim Jong Il
You can’t be serious. He’s certainly as bad as Bush. Where is your sense of discrimination. You support Kim Jong Il over BUsh. They are the same.
You are either very stupid, and easily fooled, or a plant. You certainly don’t represent the left-wing.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI don’t know what you represent. But it’s not the left.
Also, Childrenoflir, don’t accuse me of being a spy or a troll. I am neither. You do not know me and you have no right to judge me. Because some people believe differently than you do, does not make it right for you to judge them.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:58 pmBrandon
Go home Brandon. YOu have nothing to add to the discussion if all you have to say is that Stalin is ok, and Bush is not. That’s just utter stupidity.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pmThe United States blamed the Khmer Rouge for millions of atrocities that probably never existed. The Khmer Rouge tried to create an agricultural utopia in Cambodia. Remember, the U.S. said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and it turns out that they never did.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pmChildrenoflir, who is okay to you, you don’t like Kim Jong Il, Stalin, Lenin or Pol Pot. Who do you think is okay? Kim Jong Il is the most revolutionary leader in the world. He has helped liberation movements in many different Third World countries.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pmBush is not okay. Bush is worse than Stalin.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pmThe Workers World Party of which I belong to is a Stalinist organization that supports militant revolutionary groups in Third World countries. We also want revolution here in the U.S. and to set up a workers republic.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pmJust saw a poll on AOL News asking 2 questions:
Q: Did Bush speech change your mind on Iraq?
Number of votes: 221,000
Those answering “NO”: 52%
Q: What should we do with the troop level in Iraq?
January 13th, 2007 at 7:09 pmNumber of votes: 219,000
Those answering “Decrease it”: 63%
Say goodnight Brandon
I’m not going to listen to your nonsense while my son’s life is in danger. It’s ignoramuses like you who mangle history that aid and abet the right wing to carry out their missions.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pmIn Cuba, people are not discriminated against. Fidel Castro has done alot for Cuba. He has also defeated imperialism and capitalism. His country is much better off than capitalist countries. What are your views on Cuba childrenoflir? Are you going to say they are wrong as well?
January 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pmBrandon
January 13th, 2007 at 7:13 pmThere’s little difference between the ideology of your stalinist group and the ideology of the right-wing neocons. YOu are all birds of a feather and its about control. Centralized control by a few men who think they’ve got the answer. well you don’t have the answer. And Stalin was insane.
On CNN.com Bush describes his “new plan”:
And he calls this new? I thought this has been the plan from the very beginning…???
At least his 32 percenters will be happy.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmI am not going anywhere. I also do not mangle history so that the right wing can carry out their missions. Is your son in Iraq? When he comes home, he should apply for conscientous objector status so that he does not have to go back again.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmBrandon
Now you switch to Cuba. There are good and bad things about Cuba. Good on health care, bad on political freedom. To be expected by a country threatened by the US, but still the lack of political freedom is a problem. A recent documentary on artists in Cuba showed a cross section of male photographers. One was very pro Castro. One was more distanced because he had been discriminated against in his teens for loving rock and roll.
The error with ideologues is – your minds are rigid – little flexibility – you don’t represent the left in this country, and you have little to offer considering what an utter failure the communist party has been.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pmBrandon
January 13th, 2007 at 7:18 pmStalin was an evil, insane, dictator. Nough said.
From the same CNN story noted above:
The SOB wants patience? This from Mr. “Stay the Course” himself, who told us just the other day that he wasn’t happy with things in Iraq either? The American people have run out of patience, Mr. Bush.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pmBrandon
Lenin and compatriots did not want the rural involved in the political power structure. Instead they only wanted the urban workers. The one thing Marxist Leninist communists can never claim is being grass-roots.
Marxist leninist stalinist groups are always outsiders. You have no grass roots community. You have only your urban cellars and attics. You have no real constituency.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:22 pmInteresting article in today’s New York Times:
Troops and Families React to Bush’s Plan
There seems to be far more support than outrage over the president’s plan to pour more U.S. troops into Iraq.
“The decision to increase the American military presence in Iraq is being greeted with a blend of optimism and anxiety among American soldiers and their families, those most directly affected by the change. Unlike in Congressional corridors and across the civilian landscape of the country, there seems far more support than outrage, more cheer than cheerlessness, and a hope that maybe this will do it.”
Personally, I am not quite sure how I feel about the surge. There a points to be made on both sides. But I do find it interesting that there is so much support for the surge among the troops. They are the ones most affected.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pmThe reason for that is because for decades, the U.S. scared the American people into believing Communism was evil. Well, that is why we have no grassroots constituency because most people are turned off by Marxism.
Communist groups would be successful if the U.S. and Sen. Joseph McCarthy had not scared people so much about it.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmThe president also said the United States will hold the Iraqi government to its pledge to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq’s provinces by November, pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis and spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction that will create new jobs.
“The Iraqi government knows that it must meet them, or lose the support of the Iraqi and the American people,” Bush said.
Wait. Won’t this embolden the enemy? Won’t the terrorists just lie low and wait us out? Oh wait…Bush said nothing of drawing down the troops if the Iraqis don’t meet this “new goal.” So if the Iraqis don’t take responsibility by November, they’ll lose the support of the American people…you just gotta know that the Iraqi government is shaking in their boots.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:32 pmChildrenoflir, there are also Maoist groups in the U.S., one publishes Revolutionary Worker. I read it when I was in college. Very interesting reading. I have been a Marxist since I was 14. I am now 33. I was inspired by the Nicaraguan and Cuban revolutions of 1959 and 1979. I was also inspired to become one by reading about the anti-imperialist struggles carried out by left-wing guerrilla movements in Latin America, Africa and Palestine. I felt that (and still do) change can come through armed struggle against imperialism and have a revolution and set up a leftist government that will take care of its people and do away with capitalism.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThe left in this country needs to subscribe to the views of Che Guevara, Karl Marx, Noam Chomsky, Leon Trotsky, Songun politics of Kim Il Sung, Amilcal Cabral and Vladimir Lenin instead of people who do not believe in the armed struggle against imperialism.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:38 pmBrandon
No one should ever follow an outsider ideologist. You know nothing of community. Are you a parent? Do you have a family. Are you part of a community? Probablly not. You are alone, isolated, and live in a world of perfection and absolutes.
You have more in common with Bush than you do with me.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:39 pmBill Clinton, I like him. However, there are things that I disagree with him for.
I disagree with him for starting a senseless war with Yugoslavia in April of 1999 and bombing them for 70+ straight days and nights and destroying all their roads, power plants, factories and towns in order to drive President Slobodan Milosevic from power.
Slobodan Milosevic was a great leader. He had his faults. However, that did not make it right for the U.S. to bomb them to smitherines.
I also disagree with Bill Clinton for starting NAFTA and allowing good paying manufacturing jobs to go overseas.
However, I like Clinton and Jimmy Carter for helping the American people and for Clinton paying off our national debt.
Most foreign nations respected Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. Now, they all hate us because of what Bush has done to Iraq and Afghanistan.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI am part of a community childrenoflir. What community are you a part of and if no one should follow outsider ideologues then, who is your inspiration?
January 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmBrandon
You never respond to any questions. You just make pronouncements. You are like so many male fasicist types – you think you have a lock on the truth, you ignore everyone else, you pronounce your rules, your views, from a far shore, because you aren’t part of anything.
I say to you, and to all the other monolithic, religionists, ideologues, neocons, go to hell.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI do not live in a world of perfection and absolutes. The world is not perfect and it never will be. My life is not perfect and never will be. Your life is not perfect and never will be. No one is perfect and no one is absolute.
January 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pmBrandon
January 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmSo why are you trying to make it perfect?
Brandon
January 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWho is your community?
Brandon
I’ll carry the water for you a bit, since you can’t respond…
There’s a messianic impulse hidden deep within the communist ideology, as it is within the neocons. The notion that a man can save the world. A man with the right thoughts, the right words, the will, and the might.
There’s little difference among the messianic megolomania of Stalin, Hitler, Bush and Blair (B&B).
What makes the messianic disconnect from humanity possible is the lack of community and the lack of a loving mother and father.
Many humans suffer from this condition, and the potential for messianic insanity is possible from any corner of the globe.
January 13th, 2007 at 8:21 pmBrandon
I’ll carry the water for you a bit, since you can’t respond…
There’s a messianic impulse hidden deep within the communist ideology, as it is within the neocons. The notion that a man can save the world. A man with the right thoughts, the right words, the will, and the might.
There’s little difference among the messianic megolomania of Stalin, Hitler, Bush and Blair (B&B).
What makes the messianic disconnect from humanity possible is the lack of community and the lack of a loving mother and father.
Many humans suffer from this condition, and the potential for messianic insanity is possible from any corner of the globe.
January 13th, 2007 at 8:21 pmChildrenofLir and Bruce, I appreciate the effort you are doing in responding to Brandon Harris. My opinion is that no Marxist-Leninist will ever be in agreement with Stalin, for example. Stalin knew nothing about communism, which tells a lot about the Communist Party if Trotsky couldnt get the leadership. Brandon Harris is a “leftist” troll to make the progressives look bad and intolerant. No true communist could agree with what Stalin did: 20 millions of russians killed. Or be in agreement with the repressive states that totalitarian regimes have became in the name of “communism”.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:09 pmJuan C
January 13th, 2007 at 9:17 pmAll power to the people — the ideologues, the parties, the power structures be damned
Response to Juan C. I am not a leftist troll to make the progressives look bad or intolerant. Cuba is not a repressive state and neither was Yugoslavia. Trotsky was a brilliant individual who, had he gotten the leadership, would have made a better leader than Stalin. However, he was killed unfortunately and Stalin became the leader of Russia.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pmChildrenoflir, my community is my family. That is my community.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:35 pmBrandon
Whatever. You are in denial. And it ain’t just a river in Egypt. Trotsky didn’t just happen to get killed, he was murdered. And Trotsky was no picnic either. IT wasn’t just happenstance that made Stalin dictator.
If you could find a sliver of honesty in yourself then maybe I could value your opinion. But you are a parrot, repeating the bs served up by your masters.
Get out of your community/family whatever you may call it, and live life on your own for a while, then form some opinions. Group think is not good.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:39 pmIt would be nice to stop accusing people of being trolls on here. I do not accuse you of being neocons or anything.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI would like for you to read a book, childrenoflir. It is called, “Failed States” by Noam Chomsky.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:42 pmBrandon
January 13th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI’ve read Chomsky and I would appreciate it if you would stop claiming him as yours. He’s not a Stalinist, never will be.
I will agree with you childrenoflir that group think is not good. However, I also do not believe everything the U.S. government says either. Although, I have formed my own opinions about Saddam Hussein. He was probably pompous, calculating and evil. He butchered the Shi’ites and the Kurds. However, he used chemical weapons when he had them in the 1980’s with America’s blessings. He was a dictator made in the U.S.A..
However, still, that did not make it right for the U.S. to sanction, starve, invade, bomb and occupy Iraq. It should have been up to the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Moreover, Saddam destroyed his stockpile of chemical weapons after the first Gulf War.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:49 pmDid you read his book about 9/11?
January 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pmthe ideologues, the parties, the power structures be damned
Comment by ChildrenofLir
I would like this.
An anecdote. My father was part of the Communist Party in Argentina before the military dictatorships. They went to a meeting in Chile at a sawmill. He couldnt believe the misery that the workers lived in, most of them were disabled or maimed due to accidents and bad working conditions. His voice still cuts when he talks about that. The leaders of the Party made the usual political speech but when he talked he said to all the workers of the mill: You dont have to ask us for the things you need. You have to demand us. That was his last week in the Party, of course.
Sadly, what is supposed to be a project developed for the working class ends up in the usual vices of the ruling class.
I agree with you. Im an anarchist.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:52 pmI do not claim Chomsky as mine. Although, he is not a Marxist, he is a free-thinker and is very critical of U.S. foreign policy.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:53 pmJuan C., How does anarchists run governments? What do anarchists believe in?
January 13th, 2007 at 9:56 pmJuan C
It’s a simple human equation. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It’s been true since the beginning of human time.
Only people, women and men, making decisions for themselves, their families, and their communities are the true decision makers.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI have not read much about anarchism although, I think Chomsky is an anarchist.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:59 pmExample of community organization in Southern Mexico, which the Mexican government is trying to destroy.l
“Oaxaca is next to Chiapas. Fifteen indigenous groups with fifteen different languages inhabit the state of Oaxaca. The indigenous people of Chiapas are recent denizens of the forests while in Oaxaca they have been there for centuries. There are three overlapping communal systems in the municipalities: first, there are the ‘usages and customs’ of mutual obligations which comprise the radical democracy (so well described by Doug Lummis); second, there is the commons of land and water management consisting formerly of the village ejido and currently of the common lands of 85% of the state;
and third, there is the judicial system whose principle of administration is not revenge but compensation and whose operating rule is consolation not punishment. The APPO had begun discussions on how to extend these principles to the whole state. Neither money nor the machine is the starting point of discussion but social relations.
http://www.counterpunch.org/linebaugh01102007.html
January 13th, 2007 at 10:04 pmComment by ChildrenofLir
January 13th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI live in Mexico. Can you read spanish? I recommend this magazine. I think the APPO is a wonderful attempt of organization and recognition of the people that has been forgotten, humiliated and beaten for 500 years. However, the time will come that they will ally themselves with some political force, which has already happened with the PRD (Democratic Revolutionary Party) and they drift away in political nonsense, as always, forgetting the whole purpose and popular support.
What are anarchists for and opposed to? They fight against governments. How do you rely on public services if you abolish a form of government?
No government is perfect. However, you have to have some form of government in order to provide services to its people and take care of the communities.
I do not think governments of any kind should interfere in the lives of the people. However, I do think that any government has an obligation to take care of its people.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI have read some about anarcho-syndicalism and that they believe in the people ruling over the workplace, factories and communities. While I agree that if you vote then you should decide for yourself instead of voting and then letting others decide for you. Rudolf Rocker wrote a book about Anarcho-Syndicalism.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:34 pmAnarcho-Syndicalists believe in workers solidarity and direct action. I have read more about them than other anarchist groups. Emma Goldman once said that “It is not my revolution if I cannot dance to it.”
January 13th, 2007 at 10:43 pm“Pre-emption is against International Law.” comment by unbelievable re: her contention the Iraq War is “illegal”
********Please explain how Saddam’s violation of the 1991 Cease Fire complies with International Law. Please explain the difference between a Peace Treaty and Cease Fire Resolution…….(This ought to be rich…)
January 13th, 2007 at 11:40 pm“Cuba is not a repressive state….” Brandon Harris
*******Reallllly???? Tell that to the people dying to get out. Your smug pronouncements ignore facts – the people of Cuba are denied freedom of movement – which is in itself repressive. Where did you go to school??
Note to Brandon: Your contention that Communism would be more popular had Americans not been frightened by the “theory” is patently absurd. Communism goes against the competitive/cooperative spirit of human nature. Communism stifles choices and is reflexively repressive. But I am glad you’re allowed a forum to share failed views – the entertainment value is immense…..
January 13th, 2007 at 11:47 pmPlease explain how Saddam’s violation of the 1991 Cease Fire complies with International Law.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 13, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
Ah, Mitey Coprolite, ever so contemptuous and vacuous. Hard to tell which one more.
The Dear (mis)Leader himself explained that the attack on Iraq was a preemptive strike. Don’t tell me you have never heard of the Bush Doctrine. As far as the action against Iraq is concerned, the two key elements in that doctrine are: Military preemption, and unilateral action.
Your nonsense about the 1991 Cease Fire violation is something you made up (or read in one of those web sites for right-wing lunatics such as yourself) but that was never used by the White House to justify the military action against Iraq in 2003.
Since you have forgotten, here is a reminder: Pres Bush has affirmed time and again that the US has the right to strike against a threat before it fully materialises:
“The president believes that we must remember the clearest lesson of Sept. 11: that the United States of America must confront threats before they fully materialize,” national security adviser Stephen Hadley said.
Bush Reaffirms Strike-First Policy
The invasion of Iraq is an instance of the application of the Bush Doctrine. You can stop babbling already.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:06 amCommunism goes against the competitive/cooperative spirit of human nature.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Just for the ones that can be mislead by this type of ignorance:
The base of communism is the working class. There is no more competitive and cooperative example in a society that the working class. I guess, MA thinks that CEOs and owners of corporations really care about each other. Cooperativism was created in Rochdale by 28 textile workers, again working class, which is the base of communism. It wasnt created by owners of factories. You need to read before you write, MA. Maybe you, Hobbs and Friedman were referring to the competition that appears in a capitalist society were you have to thread over the other to get what you want. Probably the story of your life but not an encouraging postal of humanism. Communism attempts to distribute the wealth among all the constituents of society, just that. Of course, thats not good for big corporations…and there you have your Red Menace.
Communism stifles choices and is reflexively repressive.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:06 ammmm, I probably missed that part in Marx´s Communist Manifesto. I guess that after Lenin´s cultural revolution in Czarist Russia, one of my russian teachers felt so bad that instead of sheperding sheeps she had the opportunity to attend school and get an “aspirantur” is what you call a non-choice regime. I bet that poor latinos and black kids can do the same in the “best” country in the world. Pffft.
But the best part…reflexively repressive. If you refer to a totalitarian regime, then you are correct, but sorry to tell you this, that has nothing to do with communism. In fact, communism is a response against the repression that the industrial revolution exercised against farmers who were forced to abandon their fields in order to work in factories for a starving income. There is nothing more repressive than the inability to buy some food for your kids and capitalism, welcome to the world, is just doing that. Its a misery producing factory. I invite you to see it for yourself in any place in Latinamerica or Africa.
Cuba has been a beacon of freedom ever since 1959. Cuba has never invaded or occupied other nations. Cuba has never interfered in the internal affairs of other nations. Cuba has sent doctors, teachers, nurses and agricultural experts to Third World nations and has supported national liberation movements.
The people of Cuba have free electricity, gas, water, education, housing and health care. Cuba has not caused any trouble for any other nation.
The U.S. has blockaded Cuba because they do not like their government. The U.S. does not like a government that takes care of their people. Castro was right to turn all the American businesses there over to the Cuban people.
Instead of placing sanctions on Cuba and North Korea, why doesn’t the U.S. talk to Presidents Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro? If they tell the U.S. to stop meddling in the internal affairs of their country then why does the U.S. not listen to them and give them what they want? The U.S. could have been good friends with Cuba had the CIA not sabotaged the Cuban economy.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:32 amMighty Aphrodite, the people of Cuba are not denied freedom of movement. People in Cuba are as free as anyone else to go where they want to go to in Cuba. Students in Cuba can go to Venezuela, Algeria or North Korea to study.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:35 amTo Mighty Aphrodite, we need to proliferate the people’s struggle.
“Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie”.
Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels.
I had an uncle and his middle name was Marx and his father was a member of the Communist Party.
I support:
1) throughout the U.S., creation of autonomous regional economic and governmental entities to accurately reflect their distinct culture and character.
2) A proletarian democracy.
3) The end of corporate oligarchy and the nationalization of all industries and industries related to the defense of our soverign regions.
4) The right of the citizens to bear arms.
5) Religious freedom within the home.
6) Extensive social security, adoption, physical fitness and education.
7) Housing and job training for the homeless.
8) A strong centralized democratic government for the preservation of regional soverignty.
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” -Mao Zedong.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:04 amOfficial U.S. Military Dictionary Includes AssWipe,’ See George Bush’
January 14th, 2007 at 2:06 amBrandon – If Cubans are so free, why can’t they freely come to the US…or Canada….or Europe…..I don’t consider permission granted to go to a Communist satellite state and nowhere else “freedom”……..You quote Emma Goldman – yet conveniently fail to note her disenchantment with the Soviet State……
You tout free “everything” in Cuba. You don’t mention the limits on every consumer good and service, including food and medicine. They haven’t seen new cars in Cuba since 1959 and they do have the sad distinction of having the most educated “hookers” – thanks to the measly pay of doctors and nurses on the island. Ever seen an average Cubans house, Brandon? Most pigs wouldn’t root through the mud in the squalid conditions Communism has provided for “it’s people”.
To your next note of “intellectual repartee” – - – Are you an American? I would have much more partience with you if you were a European.
I would think Castro would welcome a good little comrade such as yourself. Have you ever been to Cuba? Which towns, cities and districts have you visited? How do you view the quarantine of AIDS patients in cuba? Why would Cuba need to import modern medical technology, along with a Spanish doctor for Castro, if health care were SO great?
You are welcome to post your thoughts in the US but I doubt I would be allowed the same in Cuba. See the hypocrisy, Brandon? The good news, there is no fence keeping you in……as miserable as you must be in enemy territory, its good to know you have an out.
To really drive home the futility of communism or its application, please tell us how many people the Soviets liberated before and after WWII.
And if the Sapnish committed all that genocide, I’d say they got what was coming to them when the US won the Mexican-American war and forced the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Gadsen Purchase….
Just think- if your ancestors never moved around, YOU could be living in a cave in Iraq…….or North Africa……
Comrade, your parents must be soooo proud……maybe they really will be when you GROW up…..
Good night, little comrade……
January 14th, 2007 at 2:10 amP.S. BrandonMarx – What is the optimum tax rate you advocate???
January 14th, 2007 at 2:11 amPSS Brandon – Your list is about as original as the Revolutionary Communist Party tripe – wouldn’t it be easier to cut and paste???
Tooodles……
January 14th, 2007 at 2:13 amMighty Aphrodite and a Zionist fool, I guess you are since you support Israel since you claim to be a Zionist. Palestine was stolen by European colonizers and they set up a Jewish state. It should be a secular state with respect to all religions and it will be Palestine from the river to the sea. Not some western creation and that is all Israel is is just a western creation used as an arm of the Pentagon as a base for imperialism in the Middle East.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:28 amIf Cuba’s so wonderful, then why aren’t the Cuban boat people racing back to it? Haven’t heard voices screaming to return or a mass exodus from this country.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:30 amMighty Aphrodite, in a post about Iran, you claim that Koranists hate America. Well, let me point out to you that it was the workers who overthrew the Shah of Iran and it was the workers who took over the U.S. Embassy. The U.S., once again, lied and said it was Islamic extremists.
Those people hate the U.S. because they supported the repressive Shah. The Shah plundered the economy and did not even care for his own people. He just took care of the people who he thought would keep him in power and they didn’t. They ran when the revolutionaries took over and the Shah fled to America.
If America had denied the Shah entry and not had supported him, those people would not hate the U.S. so much.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:33 amIf Cuba’s so wonderful, then why aren’t the Cuban boat people racing back to it? Haven’t heard voices screaming to return or a mass exodus from this country.
Comment by Nancy
Probably has to do with the actual living conditions of the island produced by a 40+ y/o embargo promoted by the US after its inability to regain control of Cuba. Wanna know how would US look after the same period embargo? Go to New Orleans. I really wonder why there arent swiss or norwegians screaming to enter the US.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:46 amI HAVE THE FACTS RIGHT HERE ON MY HARD DRIVE
Comment by rachel b blair
Sure you do rache,sure you do. lol
January 14th, 2007 at 4:34 amIF you read about the Black Plague (”The Great Mortality” by John Kelly) the word “surge” is used repeatedly referring to the volumenous birth rate of rats, whose fleas carried the plague into the populations of Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc., during the Middle Ages/The Dark Ages.
SO. . . . .Georgie Porgie is using “surge” (given to him by those REALLY in charge) as a key term to possibly reintroducing the bubonic plague (WHICH if it goes untreated, turns into the phnuemonic plague, which is contagious from human to human). The bubonic is caused by being bitten by infected fleas traveiling from rodants to humans.
SOO. . . .. just what EXACTLY is the change of verbage from military STANDARD OP “escalation” to “surge?”
“surge” = “plague”
works for me!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:53 amThanks Rachel – it is pretty undeniable that Greg was impersonating me. I emailed TP asking to delete his comments. I’m sure they will.
Comment by unbelievable — January 13, 2007 @ 11:01 am
I see that I was wrong. Not cool.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:21 amI have done the same. Adults should be able to have meaningful conversations without spoiled children constantly interrupting.
Comment by Glenn Becker — January 13, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Thanks… I agree.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amGroup think is not good.
Comment by ChildrenofLir — January 13, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Yes,it is. It’s how this country’s governemt policy was established.
You just confirm what Chomsky and Vidal say about you neocons trying to keep us in isolation so that we aren’t more powerful as a collaboration of minds.
Two heads are better than one. Especially if one of them is yours.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:30 am“Pre-emption is against International Law.†comment by unbelievable re: her contention the Iraq War is “illegalâ€
********Please explain how Saddam’s violation of the 1991 Cease Fire complies with International Law. Please explain the difference between a Peace Treaty and Cease Fire Resolution…….(This ought to be rich…)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 13, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
You’re soooo good at ignoring me… LOL
Since Gregor answered your question, I’ll just add that you further prove you are NOT a lawyer every time you open your big fat mouth.
Besides, I asked YOU to prove that there was a ever a declaration of war in order for you to claim a ‘ceasefire’, and then to prove the ‘ceasefire’ (BBC using the word does not count as they are not an authority in this matter). As usual, you cannot defend your own positions,so you try to undermine other peoples.
Also interesting how long it took you to post that comment… You ask a real lawyer? LOL
January 14th, 2007 at 11:35 am“A proletarian dictatorship.”
Lenin was a dick……………
January 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmTP- thanks for deleting the posts of the troll who was immitating me!
January 14th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#352
“If you refer to a totalitarian regime, then you are correct, but sorry to tell you this, that has nothing to do with communism.”
But totalitarian regimes always seems to be what you get when you try an implement communism. It only works in theory…not reality.
“Its a misery producing factory.”
The only worse system that has never helped anyone is communism. Remember it doesn’t matter if it works in theory….only practice.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#351
“Your nonsense about the 1991 Cease Fire violation is something you made up”
It’s in U.N. Resolution 687:
“1. Affirms all thirteen resolutions noted above, except as expressly changed below to achieve the goals of this resolution, including a formal cease-fire;”
http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm
…it wasn’t “made up”.
#375
You don’t have to have a declaration of war in order to claim a “cease fire”.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmFormal treaties are signed after a war that has been delared is fought. The Korean War had no declaration of war against NK and since then only the cease fire signed in 1953 has kept hostilities in check the same went for Iraq thru out the 1990s, and most recently in 2005 when Abbas and Sharon decleared a cease fire.
[...] If I were Bush, I would keep that shit on the down low. You wouldn’t want people putting the pieces together and actually figuring out you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth would you? [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 4:21 pmunbelievable
Groupthink does not refer to healthy debate, its a socialogical term which is used to describe the sort of situation where people do not express their own ideas for fear of appearing disunited, or for fear of being “Outside” the group. It is what happens when membership becomes more important then the aims of the group.
Examples of it throughout history include: Germans electing Hitler – even though they didn’t all agree with him. The Bay of Pigs incident, Kennedy’s advisors knew it was a bad idea but kept schtum. The Shuttle disaster. Iraq is another example. Go look at all of the majorly bad decisions taken by people in charge of anything, and you will see the echo of group think.
Wherever people have stifled their own serious misgivings about a situation in order to remain within the group – you have groupthink. It has never, actually, worked out for the benefit of the organisation that has sponsored it.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:35 pmwe need to look at the real issue ……that 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB and this hole war started from a lie…….please go to google video and look at loose change, terrorstorm, …no plane hit the pentagon. this was a false flag opp just look at PNAC and Operation North Woods. go to INFOWARS.COM
9/11 Truth….
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January 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pm“You don’t have to have a declaration of war in order to claim a “cease fireâ€. Comment by Tracy — January 15, 2007 @ 2:57 pm”
****Dear naive Tracy! How much I appreciate my fellow conservatives for being unwilling to do their own homework! Without the slow, dullwitted fools of our party, it wouldn’t be possible to screw up so much, so effectively!
Tell me dear friend, did you bother reading the cease fire? If you had, you would discover that the only cease-fire was between Kuwait & Iraq. They were the two parties *at-war*! But then, I always falsely claim there was a cease-fire between the US and Iraq as well! It makes it so much easier to justify invading a sovereign country against international law!
Our role was as a *cooperating* state to end the war between Kuwait and Iraq. Since Iraq wasn’t attacking kuwait, the can’t have violated the cease fire – right? Since Iraq wasn’t attacking other
January 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmI am sure 9/11 was an inside job. The CIA had something to do with it.
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