Bush calls Iraq critics ‘irresponsible.’
By on Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Bush calls Iraq critics ‘irresponsible.’
From President Bush’s radio address today: “But those who refuse to give this [escalation] plan a chance to work have an obligation to offer an alternative that has a better chance for success. To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible.”
(Note to the President: Progressives do have a plan, called Strategic Redeployment.)
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Yes, Dumbya knows a lot about irresponsibility.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pmA funny thing happened since Bush was elected the first time, America has awaken. We are paying attention. Progressives have several plans. Any one of which is better than Stay the Course 3.0.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:02 pmA funny thing happened since 2001, progressives are awake and paying attention. CAP has a great plan to fix this problem. There are several progressive plans which are better than Stay the Course 4.0.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:04 pmNo, Chimpy…what was ‘irresponsible’ was for you and your cronies to gin up fake evidence of WMDs to dupe Congress into initially supporting this illegal, immoral, and idiotic invasion.
Don’t you preach to us, jackass…don’t you DARE.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:07 pmProject much, Dumbya?
January 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pmMy plan is simple: Impeach Bush.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:17 pmIdiot.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:18 pmF*** YOU BUSH YOU F***ING TREASONOUS BASTARD !!!
F*** YOU AND CHENEY AND YOUR ILLEGAL AND WAR CRIMINAL WAR AND OCCUPATION !!!
ONE DAY YOU AND ALL OF YOUR WAR CONS WILL MEET JUSTICE FOR YOUR WAR CRIMES !!!
GET THE F*** OUT OF IRAQ NOW !!!!
IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU YOU STUPID IGNORANT MORON ????
January 13th, 2007 at 9:19 pmGenerals, the Iraq Study Group, several think tanks, and congressmen from both sides of the political aisle have all proposed different solutions. Bush’s mind is like a steel trap – nothing gets in.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:19 pmPlenty of plans out there. First step in solving this problem is for him to admit he screwed things up so badly, that there is no solution. This is his war and it is such a mess that the only real solution will come when he and Chaney, and Condi et al get out of the way.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pmIf my Impeach Bush plan is a no go, my backup plan is:
1) Twelve-step anger management for Bush, Cheney, and Rice.
To coincide with:
2) A letter-graded correspondence course in Diplomacy 101 from the Harvard School of Government.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pmIt’s fascinating:
Any plan that is NOT Bush’s plan is NOT a plan.
Any plan that IS EXACTLY what Bush wants IS a plan.
It’s simple, really! Just agree with Bush and Cheney in all things, at all times, in all ways and then you, too, will be “responsible.”
NOW, I understand!?!
January 13th, 2007 at 9:37 pmanother test
January 13th, 2007 at 9:46 pmGoddamnit.
All I had to do was change my name back to f*cking Zooey, and now my comments show up?
Oh my god…
January 13th, 2007 at 9:49 pm#9 You are too kind to suggest that Bush has a mind. A mind is no-material but does depend on the existence of a brain. An informed brain at that. That a steel trap is present is without question. But not a mind, not a brain. It is easy to understand why the Chimp in charge hasn’t a clue. There is nothing there to hold a clue.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:49 pmIrresponsible is putting it lightly, treason is more accurate.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWhatever happened to “you break it you fix it?”
Zoo – were you naughty?
January 13th, 2007 at 9:53 pmWow, this moron, you know, the one without a clue, calling his critics irresponsible?
January 13th, 2007 at 9:54 pmLike he’s taken responsibility for any of the complete facking chaos his failed policies have resulted in?
Right…or is it left?
He sure doen’t have a dogdoo clue.
Zoo – were you naughty?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Heh. What have you heard?
Actually, my comments haven’t been showing up since yesterday morning. It finally occurred to me to change my name back to “Zooey” and it worked.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:58 pmAll I had to do was change my name back to f*cking Zooey, and now my comments show up?
Comment by Zooey
You tend to grow in people. TP is no exception. :)
January 13th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYeah right … you’re following this guy?!??!! He looks like “Newman” from Sienfeld.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:59 pmAnd yet Greg Nobcheese is spewing his one-song of hate and bigotry, name-jacking his way through the regulars…(he even got me into a discussion of Rod Stewart – ugh)…. TP is losing it…
January 13th, 2007 at 10:02 pm“I urge members of Congress to fulfill their responsibilities, make their views known, and to always support our men and women in harm’s way.”
Unbe-f*cking-lievable. That statement makes me long for the feel of my fingers around GWB’s neck.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:05 pmWell there you go Zoo, problem solved….These women in college are so smart ……I knew you could do it……Blessings
January 13th, 2007 at 10:05 pmYou tend to grow in people. TP is no exception. :)
Comment by Juan C
Again with the sweetness…. :)
I guess I’ll have to stick with this name.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:07 pmAfter the generals, the November vote, the Senate, the House and the Fabulous Baker Boys all said – “Chimpy – it’s over” – Chimpy goes with the Saudi Arabian plan. Stay the Course with more dead bodies than before….
January 13th, 2007 at 10:07 pmSharon – good evening – still colder than a witches tit I hear..(where u live – not you…).
Seen any brass monkeys looking around for spot welders?
January 13th, 2007 at 10:10 pm20. Hoeslogic, Jewslogic, whatever your name is, do you really beleive the things you say?
Or is your life so pathethic that looking for ways to irritate people is the way you spend your saturday nights? Did you poke a hole in your inflatable girlfriend, or is your overweight mother down the street at the local meth lab so you don’t have anyone to love on tonight?
Please site some legal authority for your claims that people exercising thier first amendment rights are committing treason?
So what your saying is that citizens of a country are treasonous for disagreeing with thier leasers decisions to wage and continue a war?
Or does this bizarre rule only apply to the USA?
Did the Germans who failed to support HItlers commit treason?
THe palestinians who fail to support Hamas are treasonous also right? Hamas was elected democratically you know….
Tell me Gi Jewslogic, who are the “good guys” in Iraq? which political party?
Be specific, don’t give me that “unity government” BS. There is no unity in Iraq, except in death..
Are you so naive as to think they are all going to get along and agree?
How well has that theory worked out so far?
Ps. How long are YOU willing to spend in Iraq, fighting for the freedumb of the (fill in the nationality your leaders told you that you should care about)
people? Are you willing to go there, and stay there, and die there, so they can be free to worship allah and ally themselves with radical islamic groups?
If you are, get off the internets and pack your bags.. I hear they are taking anyone who isnt gay or over 60 these days.. I’m sure you dont fall into either of those categories…
jewslogic, another keyboard commando whose all talk and no action, just like the people he represents. hes happy to send others to die for his delusions and idiocy…
January 13th, 2007 at 10:11 pmI think there ARE Democratic plans available: Murtha, Biden and Levin’s come to mind immediately.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:12 pmBush&Co always say, if you don’t like it, what’s your plan? That’s a ridiculously lame argument.
Bush made the mess, he can’t clean it up, yet he stands in the midst of it defiantly challenging, well, then YOU fix it!!
The problem is his and he has had NO PLAN for 4 years!
Democrats have ideas, but if Bush won’t listen, much less implement, he ahs no right to challenge anyone to come up with an idea. This is his, he made it, he messed it up, he continues to make it worse. He has to be held accountable. He and he alone.
If he can’t do it, he has to leave office.
Chimpy goes with the Saudi Arabian plan. Stay the Course with more dead bodies than before….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Chimpy knows who owns him.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:12 pmsorry, mean post #19
January 13th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThe U.S. needs to withdraw all its troops from Iraq immediately and not send any more over there. Bush was irresponsible for getting us in Iraq in the first place.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:20 pmAh now we know – you are a fake – conservatives never apologize.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:22 pmBack at ya, Terry. Yep! cold as a witche’s tit in a brass bra or cold as a well diggers ass in a artic blast….I live in Washington State right now but plan to move back to Montana next year…Over and out all, don’t play nicely, it’s not nearly as much fun and make’s for better reading tomorrow….Blessings
January 13th, 2007 at 10:26 pmAnyone heard about US troops baiting Iranians in Iraq, so when the Iranians bite back, Dubya has an excuse to attack Iran? Or am I just slow in getting the news?
January 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmNancy nope you are on top of it – but now you need to google ‘Gleiwitz incident’ and watch carefully…
January 13th, 2007 at 10:34 pmThe Retard is going to teach us about responsibility…That’s rich. I’ve heard of 3 different plans by Democrats, how is it that I know that and the President doesn’t…you figure it out. Please fire this retard, psychopath, half-wit, brain-dead drunk out! Please for God Sakes! He’s at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to human intellegence.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pmTheir is NO solution to the mess Bush has created. However, there is a “least bad move”, which is accept reality and pull out our troops so they don’t die for an already lost (and questionable) cause…
January 13th, 2007 at 10:40 pmBetter correct my spelling before someone finds the petty fault.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:43 pm#44 – Publicus
I agree. At this point nothing we do will be exactly right, but I don’t want to see anymore of our troops, or Iraqis, dying because of GWB’s vanity war.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:45 pm“Iran and Venezuela are two important allies on a global level, the two countries have important industrial and oil projects, which we will follow up in this trip,” Mr Ahmadinejad said ahead of his trip, according to the state-run Irna agency.
mmmm…someone is pissing on his pants right now.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pmWell, ok, Roger_Roger too.
Pub – you’re cool “Ivy League” is not here.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pmNancy #42
January 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pmThere are a number of us who see a scenario like that playing out.
Two carriers in the Gulf, missile equipped.
Raids and arrest of Iranians from the consulate in Iraq.
I also heard that China has sold Iran certain weapons designed to attack air craft carriers.
I am afraid our troubles are still in the early stages with Bush in charge – I am very pessimistic about what hell he will bring upon us and the world before he leaves.
Bush: “I Think History Is Going To Look Back And See A Lot Of Ways We Could Have Done Things Better…No Question About It”…
(the words of an irresponsible critic, huh.)
January 13th, 2007 at 10:57 pmAl Gore for president: sign this petition if you want a real leader
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/petitionsign.htm
January 13th, 2007 at 11:16 pmDon’t have to look to the Democrats for ideas. Republicans have better ideas as well. The Baker Hamilton “spanking of Bush” report had plenty.
Ole’ irresponsible just refused to accept any of them.
Irresponsible chose “stay the course” and try to bait the Iranians into a new war.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:18 pmOne might say we’re a little
January 13th, 2007 at 11:24 pmThreadBare today!
Notice that hardly anybody in either party is sounding the alarm that all this is a setup for attacking Iran and probably Syria.
The truth is that BOTH parties are owned by AIPAC.
It’s all about campaign donations and getting re-elected, folks.
If you’re afraid of being labeled anti-Semitic then I guess you just blow off your Constitutional responsibility to require a declaration of war from Congress PRIOR to attacking consulates and starting war with Iran…
January 13th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYou tend to grow in people. TP is no exception. :)
Comment by Juan C —
January 13th, 2007 at 11:25 pmKinda like in the original
“Alien”
movie..
Just kidding! :}
I don’t know where to begin with this one…
January 13th, 2007 at 11:27 pmOne might say we’re a little
ThreadBare today!
Comment by RUCerious
Ain’t that the truth? I finally figured out how to get TP to accept my comments again, and this is it. Oy.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:27 pmKinda like in the original
“Alienâ€
movie..
Just kidding! :}
Comment by RUCerious
Now I’m going to be up all night crying… :(
January 13th, 2007 at 11:28 pmCould I borrow the “crystal ball” or ouija board Progs and Progettes are relying on to “see into the future”? Predicting the the catatrophic outcome of the “surge” of Bagdhad qualifies some of you for new employment opportunities (franchise opportunities available NOW!) – - Madame Esmerelda, Fortune Telling, Tarot for All Matters….
January 13th, 2007 at 11:33 pmWell, I guess I stepped in that one!
January 13th, 2007 at 11:33 pmIf we could just figure out how to get one of those little face mask critters for W and Darth, answers to our problems might just pop right out!
Could I borrow the “crystal ball†or ouija board Progs and Progettes are relying on to “see into the future�
Comment by mighty aphrodite
No.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:36 pmDon’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows….
January 13th, 2007 at 11:37 pmIf we could just figure out how to get one of those little face mask critters for W and Darth, answers to our problems might just pop right out!
Comment by RUCerious
It would be fun — for us. But it might be scary for the little critters…
January 13th, 2007 at 11:37 pmChina has warned Washington repeatedly that NO ONE should interfere with China’s energy dealings with Iran. If the USA or an American proxie miscalculates or misinterprets the statement there will be serious repercussions. China’s still pissed about the Unocal deal that went bad. Interfere with Iran and their oil business and all bets are off. Heres an old quote from an article from 2005..
With so much competition for assets, China has pursued deals with international pariah states that are off-limits to Western oil companies because of sanctions, security concerns or the threat of bad publicity. China National Petroleum is the largest shareholder in a consortium running much of the oil patch in Sudan, a country accused by the United States of genocide in its western region of Darfur. Last year, China signed a $70 billion oil and gas purchase agreement with Iran, undercutting efforts by the United States and Europe to isolate Teheran and force it to give up plans for nuclear weapons. ….
“No matter if it’s rogue’s oil or a friend’s oil, we don’t care,” said an energy adviser to the central government who spoke on the condition he not be identified, citing the threat of government disciplinary action. “Human rights? We don’t care. We care about oil. Whether Iran would have nuclear weapons or not is not our business. America cares, but Iran is not our neighbor. Anyone who helps China with energy is a friend.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201546_pf.html
January 13th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI’m seeing a lot of people lambasting Chimpy for his alleged ‘incompetence’ regarding Iraq.
Remember, folks, this administration is a lot of things…evil and criminal are a few adjectives that spring to mind, but they are not ‘incompetent’. Look at what they’ve accomplished in just six short years…the dismantlement of our Constitution, the concentration of an unprecedented amount of power in the Executive branch, a perpetual occupation of Iraq, enabling the United States to maintain a permanent military presence in the Middle East, and lately, the upping of the ante by attempting to drag Iran into the conflict.
If you are still duped by this administration and the MSM that continues to serve as their willing propaganda division, you might feel that this administration is incompetent, in that they have failed to accomplish their supposed goals of ‘fighting terrorism’, ‘keeping Americans safe’, and ‘bringing peace and democracy to Iraq’. However, if you’re alert enough to know this administration’s true motives, it’s easy to see that this administration is frighteningly competent.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:40 pmPredicting the the catatrophic outcome of the “surge†of Bagdhad qualifies some of you for new employment opportunities
Comment by mighty aphrodite
You know, progs, its not like 3000+ soldiers (50,000+ casualties) plus 600,000+ iraqi civilians have died already there.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:42 pm“To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible.â€-GWB
January 13th, 2007 at 11:45 pmTo oppose all counsel in the face of failure is irrational and may be viewed as insane.
However, if you’re alert enough to know this administration’s true motives, it’s easy to see that this administration is frighteningly competent.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
I guess it’s easy to focus on Chimpy’s buffoon-like behavior, while missing the real story going on behind the scenes. You’re right, they have achieved quite a lot in the last 6 years — just not what we would have had them achieve.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:45 pm#49
Dead On!
Check This Out:
http://stopwaroniran.org/
There was not one day in office that you and cheney have not lied to the American public.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pmAgainst the will of a majority of inhabitants of planet earth you and your war profiteers went to invade a souvereign nation, squandered billions of dollars, thousands of American lives, uncounted innocent Iraqi lives based on fabricated lies. You threatens now to repeat the same blasphemy with Iran.
We don’t need to come up with any plan.
We demand that you immediatly order all American troops back into their continental US bases.
We demand that you be held accountable for the damage that you have caused to the constitution and the people of the United States Of America.
We demand UN resolutions against Israel and Israel held accountable for its policies toward the Palestinian people. We demand that your family assets and the assets of all war enablers as well as all assets of corporations involved in no bid contracts being seized and used to pay for the rebuilding of Iraq and the ludicrous amount of debt you have brought onto the United States Of America.
We demand the full truth about 9/11 and the attack on the
pentagon.
We demand justice.
You know, progs, its not like 3000+ soldiers (50,000+ casualties) plus 600,000+ iraqi civilians have died already there.
Comment by Juan C
I predict more of the same. No crystal ball necessary… :(
January 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pmThis is what Frank Rich has to say in response to Bush’s Wednesday night surge speech. The title for this Sunday’s column should alone prepare you for what awaits: “He’s in the Bunker Now.”
For close to two years now, I have been making dark jokes about the GOP having to go underground like the Nazis burrowed in their bunkers beneath the Reichstag. But somehow, Rich does it in a way that eludes me.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:50 pmA guy called in on Bernie Ward’s show ( kgo.com) Thurs. night to comment on his protest sign and reaction. He said he usually used an impeach Bush sign but this time wanted to be different. So – he made a JAIL BUSH sign, stood in front of a major traffic intersection and the response was over whelming… everyone honked, cheered.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWhatever GEE DUB YOUR GIG IS OVER! DID THAT TORNADO COME PRETTY CLOSE?
January 13th, 2007 at 11:53 pmRe-posting some of my comments from another thread:
On CNN.com Bush describes his “new planâ€:
And he calls this new? I thought this has been the plan from the very beginning…???
Wait. Won’t this embolden the enemy? Won’t the terrorists just lie low and wait us out? Oh wait…Bush said nothing of drawing down the troops if the Iraqis don’t meet this “new goal.†So if the Iraqis don’t take responsibility by November, they’ll lose the support of the American people…you just gotta know that the Iraqi government is shaking in their boots.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:03 ammighty aphrodite babbles:
Gods, this latest episode of verbal diarrhea from MA is so highly charged with stupid I hardly know where to begin.
First, if it is so impossible to predict the outcome of this strategy, how is it that Chimpy is so certain of it, huh? Does the Oval Office have a ‘crystal ball’ or ‘ouija board’, or does Chimpy rely on an astrologer, like Reagan did back in the day? Hey, perhaps, Chimpy is channeling Jeane Dixon…or perhaps God himself is giving him this information. Aafter all, he does claim to hear God talking to him…
Second, it’s not that difficult to make judgments about the probability of different outcomes in this case. The interesting thing is that many other people made predictions as well, including the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Chimpy is the only one making a positive prediction in this case.
So, let’s get this straight. Chimpy predicts his latest strategy will be successful. Everyone else predicts it will not. Chimpy’s been dead wrong about everything to date. Yet, you’ll accept his prediction blindly and unquestioningly, while deriding everyone else as ‘fortune tellers’.
Poor, stupid, blind little MA. Pity we aren’t as blind as you…then you might have a chance.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:04 amMaybe you should check with Jason M. Hendler. He seems to make quite a lot of predictions here. He’s quite reliable too. Pretty much everything happens exactly the opposite of his predictions.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:17 amIMPEACH
INDICT
CONVICT
HANG
IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE
January 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am#48 TerrytheTurtle
January 14th, 2007 at 12:25 amRe: Gleiwitz incident. Guess Bush figured it worked for the Germans. On the other hand, didn’t they eventually lose the war.(tongue in cheek)
#49 Bobby
January 14th, 2007 at 12:27 amYup, that hell is called World War lll. How I wish we could get him & Chaney for war crimes
Could I borrow the “crystal ball†or ouija board Progs and Progettes are relying on to “see into the future�
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 13, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Sure you can. It’s the same crystal ball I used to predict no WMD would be found in Iraq, that Iraqis would resist the occupation, and that the American military presence would be disastrous for that country.
Predicting the the catatrophic outcome of the “surge†of Bagdhad qualifies some of you for new employment opportunities
This is true unmitigated gall: You have been wrong all along, every single time, about Iraq’s WMD, about Hussein’s involvement in 9/11, about Iraqis welcoming American troops as “liberators”, and yet here you are, pretentious and smug, as if you had been validated on anything regarding the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
You are fooling nobody, except for yourself maybe. What a fool, and what a disconnect from reality.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:28 amthose who refuse to give this [escalation] plan a chance to work have an obligation to offer an alternative that has a better chance for success.
Those who oppose the escalation do not have the obligation to offer diddly, Mr. President.
But since you brought it up, those of us who oppose sending more troops would like you to withdraw those already there. I know you will reject it because what you are looking for is an alternative you like, not one that is reasonable. Somehow, as far as you are concerned, the two options always seem to be in conflict with each other .
To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible.
To propose sending more troops to kill and die in an occupation that did not need to happen is deeply irresponsible, Mr. President.
And I would counter that opposing everything you propose regarding Iraq is probably a safe bet for both Iraqis and Americans, and hence very responsible -since your track record is not exactly a shining example of sound foreign policy towards the Middle East. Or the rest of the world, for that matter.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:36 amThere is a real plan: Bring the troops home from Iraq and end your damn lying occupation of Iraq, Pres. Bush! Dubya is so stupid and arrogant that he believes his own lies! He must resign or be impeached > PERIOD.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:39 amMA,
Is it the same crystal ball that Bush uses to predict just what will happen if his dreams in Iraq are not fulfilled?
-GSD
January 14th, 2007 at 12:43 amLet’s admit it, Bush has no idea on how to end this or even slow it down. As we say in Maine, he’s just ‘pounding sand down a rat hole’.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:45 amNor will he listen to any common sense, a phrase not in his vocabulary.
#82 Jay
January 14th, 2007 at 12:55 amMy understanding of the real purpose of invading Iraq was because the neocons and Israel wanted another democratic state in the Middle East, primarily with US military bases. And the oil. To pull out now, leaves the oil behind and Israel is still hanging by itself.
Pulling out is DEFEAT in Bush’s eyes, and that changes him from a Wartime President, to the loser he really is.
I pray for impeach every day.
Nancy -
January 14th, 2007 at 12:58 amBush does not want to end or slow things down. He will keep things going until the next president is sworn in to save face to avoid going down in history as being the failure he is. This is the very issue that disgusts me the most about him – more military are going to die needlessly for his vanity. Such a low life scum bastard.
Nancy > yes I know Bush refuses to pull the troops out, because his oil pals want to control the petroleum reserves in Iraq. Pulling out of Iraq would be a failure for Bush personally, and if he does not like it, then he can resign and go ride his bike at his Texas ranch!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:02 amAnd these troops are going in, with even less protective equipment than the troops who are already there. But what does he care, no one in his family has to go.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:14 amlisten… your dealing with a totally corrupted so called leader
that has stolen 2 elections, violated the constiution numerous times, a compulsive liar, a constant law breaker, arm twister, dracula, recess
appointees, major corruption, major corrution with appointees, 7
overall a criminal.
what do you expect
January 14th, 2007 at 1:15 am#75 – “First, if it is so impossible to predict the outcome of this strategy, how is it that Chimpy is so certain of it, huh?”
Cpmment TripMasterMonkey
********Dear MonkeyTripe – Again, you seem to “hear’ what was NOT said. (You might wish to get both your “hearing” and paranoia checked.) GWB didn’t predict an outcome. (The defeatists seem to have that market cornered.) He is hoping the benchmark required of Maliki and the expanded efforts of a Bagdhad offensive will have the desired results.
Tooodles……
January 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amWhen misguided emotion is put aside we are forced to look at the situation as it is. Time to get over the false claims and empty rhetoric about Bush, Chaney, Kerry, Hillary, Bill and all the rest lying. The truth is that even the new Democrats in control of congress realize that America needs stability in Iraq and control of Bagdad is key to this. We cannot abandon the people of Iraq to the butchers on both sides of the Islamic world. Perhaps you should direct some of your anger at them. The mission in Iraq is a noble mission; Saddam’s regime should have been destroyed during the first gulf war–that is the real tragedy here. And if you really want to know what its like to live in a society ruled by criminals under a shredded constitution devoid of human rights look to Iran and Syria and China. Despite all your best hopes, we have not been defeated in Iraq, and the people there have the best chance of freedom and peace only if we stay and fight. How foolish it is for you to be so blinded by your hatred of Bush that you would feel better with “Startegic Redeployment”–the very thing our real enemies hope for.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:28 amGWB didn’t predict an outcome.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:30 amComment by mighty aphrodite
Yeah, Trip, that was the whole purpose of that big ass banner where you could read: Mission Accomplished.
He is hoping the benchmark required of Maliki and the expanded efforts of a Bagdhad offensive will have the desired results
Ha ha ha ha.
#80 – “Sure you can. It’s the same crystal ball I used to predict no WMD would be found in Iraq…” Comment by Gregor Samsa
******Too bad you didn’t hand off the crystal ball to Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Bob Graham, John Edwards, et al BEFORE they made the same “Stupid” mistake and accused Saddam of WMD and nuclear development…..Methinks your pyschic abilities are tad fake, Monsieur Esmerelda……
“This is true unmitigated gall: You have been wrong all along, every single time, about Iraq’s WMD,”
*******GrgrrrrEsmerelda, You don’t know if the WMD’s were destroyed, hidden or degraded. I don’t KNOW either. But why assume your GUESSES are fact?
“about Hussein’s involvement in 9/11,”
*******You’re a liar or senile – I never attributed 9/11 to Saddam in any way, shape or form. I do KNOW he allowed Al Queda members in his country for medical treatment….beyond that is speculation on my part and stupidity on yours…..
“and yet here you are, pretentious and smug, as if you had been validated on anything regarding the invasion and occupation of Iraq.”
*******Better look up smug, GrgggrrEsmerelda. You falsely attribute to me that which I never said….why am I not surprised?
“You are fooling nobody, except for yourself maybe. What a fool, and what a disconnect from reality.”
*******Attributing to me that which I have not claimed….and you think I have a disconnect from reality??? Look in the mirror…..now there’s a visualization of the definition of “disconnect”.
Toooodles……
January 14th, 2007 at 1:37 amHe is hoping the benchmark required of Maliki and the expanded efforts of a Bagdhad offensive will have the desired results.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
I suggest he sh*ts in one and and “hopes” in the other and we’ll see which one fills up first…
January 14th, 2007 at 1:39 amJuan – Being a “Red Diaper Baby Communist”, your fondest hope seems to be the complete defeat of the US. I’d have a touch more respect for you if you participated in a movement to clean up the Third World Narco State of Mexico……
January 14th, 2007 at 1:42 amMA > did Karl Rove give you the graveyard shift on TP threads?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:50 amYeah, Trip, that was the whole purpose of that big ass banner where you could read: Mission Accomplished.
Comment by Juan C
Which was comissioned and paid for by THE WHITE HOUSE:
Bush said in October that the White House had nothing to do with the banner; a spokesman later clarified that the ship’s crew asked for the sign and that the White House staff had it made by a private vendor.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:53 amF*CKING LIARS.
Some times I just can’t help but respond to stupid, even though we all know it can’t be fixed……Heard on CNN and a couple of other channel’s today Maliki is balking and getting uppity with Bush, saying he will do as he pleases basicly and the U.S had better not leave….Technicly bush’s appointed squat assasin is telling the original squat assasin to shove it…..So there you go MA, try to keep up will you..If you can’t keep current ask the evil one in charge of your ignorance to reasign you to another site…Frankly my dear sir me are tired of your crap..
January 14th, 2007 at 1:54 amHey Tooodles….Appears Bush’s approval rating has just equaled his IQ. about 28%. You talk about Iraq as if it had world significance equal too Russia during the cold war. I’m start to thing your IQ is maybe lower then your “false savior”, Bush. All I ever hear from you are apologies for this president that wants to take away my right to own a weapon. To unify Mexico, Canada, and the US as one county. To abolish my constitution. He is a servent of the people of the US and not a De facto dictator that he seems to fashion himself.
Your a fake. Your no conservative. Your a paid troll to come into this blogsite to stir up shit for some end. Your not logical. Talking to you is like talking to a little child tht forgot to take his Ridlin. Your ADD approach to politics is getting old. The Nazis used to have a Social Eugenics program, and I hear that this president is looking for candidates…maybe your interested? I also hear that you could blog between tests…be a patriot!
Hermaphrodite. How old are you? If you think this cause is so great why are you not in Iraq right now?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:03 amCould I borrow the “crystal ball†or ouija board Progs and Progettes are relying on to “see into the future�
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Its called “a fully functioning frontal cortex”, you should try to find someone who has one sometime, to help develop your reasoning skills.
Wow, even the MightyAfroMite has gone from the “we’re winning” argument to the “how do you know we won’t win sometime in the future”? argument…
reality is slowly beginning to sink in, even for him/her.
You peopel have made so many gross misjudgements that rolling dice randomly to determine our foreign policy would have a better chance of success. We will be greeted with flowers. We know where the WMD are. Iraq’s oil profits will pay for reconstruction. The insurgencey is in its last throws. The war shouldnt last more than 6 months. It shouldnt cost more than 50 billion, tops. Shall I go on discussing how badly your heros crystal ball has malfunctioned? A game of “spin the bottle” is more accurate for determining dating compatibility than your hero’s “crystal ball” is for determining well… just about anything…
Oh, and by the way, exactly how does a foreign government win a civil war?
And tell us who you think the good guys in Iraq are that we can help “win”?
Please tell me which Iraqi political party you beleive will further policies which are pro-western and non-theocratic? Or are you ok with nation building islamic theocracies on the top of our soldiers bodies?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:03 am#101 Sharon
January 14th, 2007 at 2:10 amWell, that should p*ss George off! An Iraq with a mind of his own! Guess Georgie will just have to go over and b*tch slap Maliki, and put him in his place. It just keeps getting better and better.
I thought I read somewhere, Maliki didn’t want the job to begin with and was planning on resigning.
I missed the news today. Some days it’s just too depressing to watch.
I saw Ron White’s “You Can Fix Stupid”. Actually thought he meant the White House:)
Methinks your pyschic abilities are tad fake, Monsieur Esmerelda……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2007 @ 1:37 am
Yes, too bad those people couldn’t use my crystal ball.
Which was nothing but careful following of the news, since the case for war was falling apart as the White House was building it (the Niger uranium, the aluminium tubes, the 9/11-Hussein “connection”).
Reading the news is fun. You should try it sometime. And being stupid for accusing Hussein of possessing WMD is nothing compared to the absolute idiocy of insisting -as you do- they still exist… in Syria. That is a laughable proposition.
GrgrrrrEsmerelda, You don’t know if the WMD’s were destroyed, hidden or degraded. I don’t KNOW either. But why assume your GUESSES are fact?
Fact remains the WMD have not been found. That is not a guess. It’s a fact, and is what I predicted based on the news I was reading at the time. Are you drinking so much you cannot understand what you read? Oh wait, that is your normal state.
You’re a liar or senile – I never attributed 9/11 to Saddam in any way, shape or form.
Right, just like you never made a joke about your dead child. I already know you are a liar. Your wanting to pretend you have any credibility is rather amusing.
Better look up smug, GrgggrrEsmerelda. You falsely attribute to me that which I never said….why am I not surprised?
Explanation for the terminally stupid Mitey Coprolite: You coming here making “jokes” about crystal balls is smug because it doesn’t take a fortuneteller to have a good idea of the outcome will be; that is, more dead, more destruction, but no better prospects of a durable peace in Iraq as long as American troops are there.
Attributing to me that which I have not claimed
I said “as if you had been validated” -which you haven’t. You have consistently wrong. You have some gall to come here, spew put downs when you are the one who was wrong about Iraq, and wrong in your support for Pres Bush. That is absolute disconnect. But I already knew you don’t “do” reading comprehension, or fact-based opinions.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:11 amOoops, Sorry, meant CAN”T fix stupid.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:12 amTalking to you is like talking to a little child tht forgot to take his Ridlin. Your ADD approach to politics is getting old.
Comment by JTitor — January 14, 2007 @ 2:03 am
JTitor ??
Excuse me ?
Excuse me ??
I have a child with ADD and he takes ritalin everyday and hates it but it is not his choice so could you please not drag the psychologically weaker children into your argument ?
It makes you look weak and unprepared
And to be perfectly frank it makes you look like a loose mouthed bully with a big cannon but no substance and nothing but hot air
Please STOP it now !
January 14th, 2007 at 2:24 amGWB didn’t predict an outcome.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2007 @ 1:24 am
More idiocy from the 30 %ers. Of course Pres Bush predicted an outcome. Here, from the White Houses web site:
As we continue our united efforts to disarm Iraq in pursuit of peace, stability, and security both in the Gulf region and in the United States, I look forward to our continued consultation and cooperation.
Presidential Letter
And here is a presidential address at the American Enterprise Institute:
Much is asked of America in this year 2003. The work ahead is demanding. It will be difficult to help freedom take hold in a country that has known three decades of dictatorship, secret police, internal divisions, and war. It will be difficult to cultivate liberty and peace in the Middle East, after so many generations of strife. Yet, the security of our nation and the hope of millions depend on us, and Americans do not turn away from duties because they are hard. We have met great tests in other times, and we will meet the tests of our time.
President Discusses the Future of Iraq
And here is an address by Pres Bush in London:
Now we’re pursuing a different course, a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East. We will consistently challenge the enemies of reform and confront the allies of terror. We will expect a higher standard from our friends in the region, and we will meet our responsibilities in Afghanistan and in Iraq by finishing the work of democracy we have begun.
President Bush Discusses Iraq Policy at Whitehall Palace in London
So yes, Mitey Coprolite, there was plenty of predicting of outcome in Iraq by your Dear (mis)Leader -who apparently could also have used a little help from my crystal ball.
It must grate you to be so wrong for so long.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:29 amNow Bush got us in this mess and he wants someone else to get us out. Bush is sounding more like a dictator then a President. He knows Maliki is a loser and the Iraq people wont follow him they like Al Sadr. Now all the elected officials in the back pocket of the President will be in print as the vote for this continued invasion is done. The elected officials have alot to think about if they go with Bush they wont be re-elected. As for McCain well it’s over he’ll be lucky if he can get a job picking fruit. Alot of GOP Bush supporters will fall in 2008 for supporting the deaths of more American soldiers when they didn’t have to die.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:33 amWow, MA, you really like to be a punching bag.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:38 amI have a child with ADD and he takes ritalin everyday and hates it but it is not his choice so could you please not drag the psychologically weaker children into your argument ?
It makes you look weak and unprepared
And to be perfectly frank it makes you look like a loose mouthed bully with a big cannon but no substance and nothing but hot air
Please STOP it now !
Comment by rachel b blair
I’m talking about a symptom. I’m not talking about your child.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:50 amI have a child with ADD and he takes ritalin
Comment by rachel b blair
Like father,like son.
rachel b blair is a male troll;aka. patricia reglin, Wellsley,others.
Just call him PAT..
January 14th, 2007 at 3:16 amRachel in what way did I include your kid in my comment, or address you in any way? My adoptive child was addicted to Meth at birth. Her bio-mom had been shooting it all the way through pregnancy. She was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 3. I choose NOT to put her on that crap (lisdexamfetamine dimesylate), and my wife and I went through 10 years of what you know all too well…hell. Don’t sit there and think that you’re the only person in this world that has problems.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:34 amThat explains why she is alsways on my ass for stupid shit.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:36 amFrank Weltner has some interesting video on his site about this plan, worth seeing. just google his name.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:36 amSorry. Don’t change my name.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:38 amMitey Coprolite,
One more thing about your latest “GWB didn’t predict an outcome” inanity: If the reasons Pres Bush argued to invade were that Iraq was a country run by a tyrant, that possessed WMD, and that harbored terrorists, then the implicit promise is that neither condition will exist after the invasion. Which in itself is a prediction of sorts.
But, to put the final nail in this your latest blather, here are some explicit predictions and promises by Pres Bush regarding Iraq:
The success of a free Iraq will be watched and noted throughout the region. Millions will see that freedom, equality, and material progress are possible at the heart of the Middle East. Leaders in the region will face the clearest evidence that free institutions and open societies are the only path to long-term national success and dignity.
President Bush Addresses United Nations General Assembly
Iraq is now the central front. Enemies of freedom are making a desperate stand there — and there they must be defeated. This will take time and require sacrifice. Yet we will do what is necessary, we will spend what is necessary, to achieve this essential victory in the war on terror, to promote freedom and to make our own nation more secure.
President Addresses the Nation
Iraqi democracy will succeed — and that success will send forth the news, from Damascus to Teheran — that freedom can be the future of every nation. (Applause.) The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution. (Applause.)
President Bush Discusses Freedom in Iraq and Middle East
Now that conflict has come, the only way to limit its duration is to apply decisive force. And I assure you, this will not be a campaign of half measures, and we will accept no outcome but victory.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:40 amPresident Bush Addresses the Nation
Lets add Galos Poll on to that troll list as well. It used to be Rachel B, then it was rachel b blair.
JTITOR DISAPPEARS THEN TROLL ALERT SHOWS UP – I’ll use my own name I don’t give a shit. I don’t have to be troll list.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:43 amComment by Gregor Samsa – “global democratic revolution” = New World Order
January 14th, 2007 at 3:48 amDon’t change my name either,PAT. aka. rachel.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:50 amWhat color dress do you like to wear when you’re typing this sh¡t,Dude?
“[I] need help.”
Comment by rachel b blair
Yes PAT,you do.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:54 amI’m not the one flying off the handle….troll.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:55 am#72
January 14th, 2007 at 3:57 amWhat about a sign that says Hang Bush?
Mighty Coprolite,
That was not my last post on the subject. I am going to preempt your attempt at claiming Pres Bush made no specific predictions about the surge.
Here is a paragraph from Pres Bush’s address to the nation on January 10, 2007:
This new strategy will not yield an immediate end to suicide bombings, assassinations, or IED attacks.[...] Yet over time, we can expect to see Iraqi troops chasing down murderers, fewer brazen acts of terror, and growing trust and cooperation from Baghdad’s residents. When this happens, daily life will improve, Iraqis will gain confidence in their leaders, and the government will have the breathing space it needs to make progress in other critical areas. Most of Iraq’s Sunni and Shia want to live together in peace — and reducing the violence in Baghdad will help make reconciliation possible.
President’s Address to the Nation
Pres Bush is committing more troops but making no promises about the possible outcome? You are more deranged than I thought…
January 14th, 2007 at 4:01 amIf you follow a deluded leader, what does that make you?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:18 amMA and all those other wannabe tough guys – your just a pity. If you would have more than one braincell the concept of justice and peace would probably sink in. Unfortunately you are incapable of larger concepts based on humanity. All you baboonbutts have in mind is aggression and hegemony. You really believe that you can go around in the world and do whatever you please. You are addicted to militarism and you probably ejaculate when you watch a recruitment commercial for the army for the fifth time. Your brain must be constantly overwhelmed by the most simple truth.
’studies have shown that the brains of more intelligent people are less active than the brains of less intelligent people when working on the same problems’ Wikipedia
So you better give your brains a rest before they melt down in ignorance.
I HAVE THE FACTS RIGHT HERE ON MY HARD DRIVE
Comment by rachel b blair
You do? That’s funny.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:19 amAre you sure you’re not mistaking your Hard Drive with your loins?
Nice try Rachel….I thought you were no longer going to address me? Please don’t. Also, I would assume “troll alert” is the blog moderator. Who pays you to blog here?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:21 amPrime Minister Maliki has pledged that political or sectarian interference with security operations will not be tolerated.
malaki doesn’t want another term and would like to leave soon.
so I’ve given orders to increase American forces in Anbar province by 4,000 troops.
GWB is now giving the orders.
America’s men and women in uniform took away al Qaeda’s safe haven in Afghanistan
The strife in Afganastan is still ocurring.
spending $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction projects
GWB has spent all your money and now wants Halliburtons etc to loot another Treasury
We will encourage countries like Saudi Arabia
To think it was 15 saudi pilots that started all this
Secretary Rice has gone to the region to continue the urgent diplomacy required to help bring peace to the Middle East.
Rice went there without a plan, probably without a clue
you could pull the whole speech apart but it is making ehh
January 14th, 2007 at 4:21 amIrresponsible:
1. Marked by a lack of responsibility: irresponsible accusations.
2. Lacking a sense of responsibility; unreliable or untrustworthy.
3. Law Not mentally or financially fit to assume responsibility.
4. Not liable to be called to account by a higher authority.
n.
1. One who has no sense of responsibility.
2. Law One who is mentally or financially unfit to assume responsibility for one’s actions.
3. One who is unlikely to be called to account by a higher authority.
Bush fits all those definitions.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:24 amWhat is he talking about? Projecting his own incapability on others? That’s Sigmund Freud right there. You always blame in others what’s defective in yourself.
Just think what $10 billion could do to better the US. Instaed it goes to crooks.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:26 amAlso, I would assume “troll alert†is the blog moderator.
Comment by JTitor
Not so,JTitor, I just lurk here alot and recognize that troll every time I see him.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:29 amHe usually goes under a female name,but not always.
I just call him PAT.
Thank you. I didn’t put two and two together with her. have a good night.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:32 amJTitor
January 14th, 2007 at 4:40 amNO would sure like the $10 billion to help with the reebuilding.
But this is Iraq money and the place is sure going to need rebuilding with the new tactics they are going to carry out.
koalablue
I just feel that the whole plan by the NeoCons was, and is to destabalize the whole region. So money put forth in name will not be used for rebuilding, but to be used to line the pockets of the defense contractors that are already there. This has been the case so far. I don’t see true humanitarian rebuiding of this country while we are in a war footing. I wish it wasn’t so.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:52 amrachel b blair = patricia reglin = little birdie = Wellsley = angus thorsen and others.
All these are one male troll-just call him PAT.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:59 amIf the owners of these forums came clean with us about the pressures they face to silence any/all criticism of Israel in these threads, the entire story would become far more clear to those who doubt the power of the Israeli “Hasbara” program.
“Hasbara is specifically designed to promote the Likud’s goals – not advance the truth:
Nathan Guttman has characterized hasbara as “pro-Israel propaganda, ” while Avi Hyman has said “while propaganda strives to highlight the positive aspects of one side of a conflict, hasbara seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
One or two people can use the Megaphone software program to launch an e-mail barrage against a site owner demanding that certain posters be banned, lest the owner/operator be branded an “anti-Semite” or hate monger by the media machinery of the Zionists.
Their tactics are brutal, and their results are proven. Hundreds of Free Speech Advocates have been banned from dozens of message boards for the simple “crime” of daring to question the influence of Israel in US policies, and for revealing the proven espionage by this foreign power within our borders, to our detriment.
If you notice my name disappear from among your ranks, you’ll have yet more proof of “The Agenda” in action, and TP’s complicity therein.
If on the other hand, TP stiffens its’ spine and fights for FREE SPEECH over foreign interests, then I will simply say thank you for allowing the dialogue and debate to lead wherever free and open conversations choose – all within the guidelines of the site which provide for civil discourse.
The topic of a major thread on this site must be the pending “Hate Crimes” legislation recently submitted to Congress – by Israeli interests – designed specifically to CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH in the event the topic turns to the policies (crimes) of Israel. They make it appear to be about protecting Gays and others, but this is simply a clever ruse. You’ve seen it right here…if you criticise Israel, you are branded an “anti-Semite.” Once so branded by these thought police, then what? No one will dare mention the word “Israel,” – which is of course their goal, to act without consequence. “Holocaust Denial” is their red herring. That is NOT the issue. The issue is free speech. Speech cannot be a crime in the United State. It is PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Remember that quaint document?
Free Speech IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.
The Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith introduced the same legislation last January 6, three days after Congress convened. Extraordinary action must be taken NOW to back down ADL.
Criminalizing speech in the United States is ABHORANT TO OUR VALUES.
TP, are you listening? Can we expose the downside of this legislation?
Israel is not a race, a religion or a gender. Israel is a country, not a person. No more special rules and special laws for this COUNTRY.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041014-121528-8981r.htm
Anti-Semitism office planned at State Department
By Nicholas Kralev
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Bush plans to sign a bill passed by both houses of Congress that would establish a State Department office to monitor anti-Semitism around the world, despite the department´s strong objection, administration officials said yesterday.
“The bill is expected to arrive at the White House on Thursday and the president intends to sign it,” one official said.
The House and Senate, acting shortly before the Nov. 2 election, passed the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act late last week.
“It´s more of a bureaucratic nuisance than a real problem. We are not going to fight a bill that has gained such political momentum,” a State Department official said.
Establishing an anti-Semitism monitoring office and producing an annual report would duplicate work by other offices in charge of monitoring human rights and religious freedom, officials say.
“We opposed creation of a separate office for the purpose and opposed the mandating of a separate annual report,” State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters.
“We expressed the view that separate reports on different religions or ethnicities were not warranted, given that we already prepare human rights reports and religious freedom reports on 190 countries,” he said.
The legislation was introduced by Rep. Tom Lantos, California Democrat and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress, in response to the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe and the Middle East.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:41 amIf the owners of these forums came clean with us about the pressures they face to silence any/all criticism of Israel in these threads, the entire story would become far more clear to those who doubt the power of the Israeli “Hasbara” program.
“Hasbara is specifically designed to promote the Likud’s goals – not advance the truth:
Nathan Guttman has characterized hasbara as “pro-Israel propaganda, ” while Avi Hyman has said “while propaganda strives to highlight the positive aspects of one side of a conflict, hasbara seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
One or two people can use the Megaphone software program to launch an e-mail barrage against a site owner demanding that certain posters be banned, lest the owner/operator be branded an “anti-Semite” or hate monger by the media machinery of the Zionists.
Their tactics are brutal, and their results are proven. Hundreds of Free Speech Advocates have been banned from dozens of message boards for the simple “crime” of daring to question the influence of Israel in US policies, and for revealing the proven espionage by this foreign power within our borders, to our detriment.
If you notice my name disappear from among your ranks, you’ll have yet more proof of “The Agenda” in action, and TP’s complicity therein.
If on the other hand, TP stiffens its’ spine and fights for FREE SPEECH over foreign interests, then I will simply say thank you for allowing the dialogue and debate to lead wherever free and open conversations choose – all within the guidelines of the site which provide for civil discourse.
The topic of a major thread on this site must be the pending “Hate Crimes” legislation recently submitted to Congress – by Israeli interests – designed specifically to CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH in the event the topic turns to the policies (crimes) of Israel. They make it appear to be about protecting Gays and others, but this is simply a clever ruse. You’ve seen it right here…if you criticise Israel, you are branded an “anti-Semite.” Once so branded by these thought police, then what? No one will dare mention the word “Israel,” – which is of course their goal, to act without consequence. “Holocaust Denial” is their red herring. That is NOT the issue. The issue is free speech. Speech cannot be a crime in the United State. It is PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Remember that quaint document?
Free Speech IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.
The Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith introduced the same legislation last January 6, three days after Congress convened. Extraordinary action must be taken NOW to back down ADL.
Criminalizing speech in the United States is ABHORANT TO OUR VALUES.
TP, are you listening? Can we expose the downside of this legislation?
Israel is not a race, a religion or a gender. Israel is a country, not a person. No more special rules and special laws for this COUNTRY.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041014-121528-8981r.htm
Anti-Semitism office planned at State Department
By Nicholas Kralev
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Bush plans to sign a bill passed by both houses of Congress that would establish a State Department office to monitor anti-Semitism around the world, despite the department´s strong objection, administration officials said yesterday.
“The bill is expected to arrive at the White House on Thursday and the president intends to sign it,” one official said.
The House and Senate, acting shortly before the Nov. 2 election, passed the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act late last week.
“It´s more of a bureaucratic nuisance than a real problem. We are not going to fight a bill that has gained such political momentum,” a State Department official said.
Establishing an anti-Semitism monitoring office and producing an annual report would duplicate work by other offices in charge of monitoring human rights and religious freedom, officials say.
“We opposed creation of a separate office for the purpose and opposed the mandating of a separate annual report,” State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters.
“We expressed the view that separate reports on different religions or ethnicities were not warranted, given that we already prepare human rights reports and religious freedom reports on 190 countries,” he said.
The legislation was introduced by Rep. Tom Lantos, California Democrat and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress, in response to the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe and the Middle East.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:46 amIf the owners of these forums came clean with us about the pressures they face to silence any/all criticism of Israel in these threads, the entire story would become far more clear to those who doubt the power of the Israeli “Hasbara” program.
“Hasbara is specifically designed to promote the Likud’s goals – not advance the truth:
Nathan Guttman has characterized hasbara as “pro-Israel propaganda, ” while Avi Hyman has said “while propaganda strives to highlight the positive aspects of one side of a conflict, hasbara seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
One or two people can use the Megaphone software program to launch an e-mail barrage against a site owner demanding that certain posters be banned, lest the owner/operator be branded an “anti-Semite” or hate monger by the media machinery of the Zionists.
Their tactics are brutal, and their results are proven. Hundreds of Free Speech Advocates have been banned from dozens of message boards for the simple “crime” of daring to question the influence of Israel in US policies, and for revealing the proven espionage by this foreign power within our borders, to our detriment.
If you notice my name disappear from among your ranks, you’ll have yet more proof of “The Agenda” in action, and TP’s complicity therein.
If on the other hand, TP stiffens its’ spine and fights for FREE SPEECH over foreign interests, then I will simply say thank you for allowing the dialogue and debate to lead wherever free and open conversations choose – all within the guidelines of the site which provide for civil discourse.
The topic of a major thread on this site must be the pending “Hate Crimes” legislation recently submitted to Congress – by Israeli interests – designed specifically to CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH in the event the topic turns to the policies (crimes) of Israel. They make it appear to be about protecting Gays and others, but this is simply a clever ruse. You’ve seen it right here…if you criticise Israel, you are branded an “anti-Semite.” Once so branded by these thought police, then what? No one will dare mention the word “Israel,” – which is of course their goal, to act without consequence. “Holocaust Denial” is their red herring. That is NOT the issue. The issue is free speech. Speech cannot be a crime in the United State. It is PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Remember that quaint document?
Free Speech IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.
The Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith introduced the same legislation last January 6, three days after Congress convened. Extraordinary action must be taken NOW to back down ADL.
Criminalizing speech in the United States is ABHORANT TO OUR VALUES.
TP, are you listening? Can we expose the downside of this legislation?
Israel is not a race, a religion or a gender. Israel is a country, not a person. No more special rules and special laws for this COUNTRY.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041014-121528-8981r.htm
Anti-Semitism office planned at State Department
By Nicholas Kralev
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Bush plans to sign a bill passed by both houses of Congress that would establish a State Department office to monitor anti-Semitism around the world, despite the department´s strong objection, administration officials said yesterday.
“The bill is expected to arrive at the White House on Thursday and the president intends to sign it,” one official said.
The House and Senate, acting shortly before the Nov. 2 election, passed the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act late last week.
“It´s more of a bureaucratic nuisance than a real problem. We are not going to fight a bill that has gained such political momentum,” a State Department official said.
Establishing an anti-Semitism monitoring office and producing an annual report would duplicate work by other offices in charge of monitoring human rights and religious freedom, officials say.
“We opposed creation of a separate office for the purpose and opposed the mandating of a separate annual report,” State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters.
“We expressed the view that separate reports on different religions or ethnicities were not warranted, given that we already prepare human rights reports and religious freedom reports on 190 countries,” he said.
The legislation was introduced by Rep. Tom Lantos, California Democrat and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress, in response to the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe and the Middle East.
FEDERAL ‘HATE LAW’ COULD BE INTRODUCED
Tuesday, January 02, 2007 – FreeMarketNews.com
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=30399
With Congress back in session on January 3, the federal “hate crimes” bill could be reintroduced any time. The Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith introduced the same legislation last January 6, three days after Congress convened. This is the most dangerous legislation ever to come before Congress. It leads directly to an end of free speech. Once free speech is gone, there is little to prevent the loss of all our other freedoms.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:59 amBug off, Ace. The fact your post was read by me disproves your assertion. And posting articles from the Moonie Wash. Times isn’t going to get you any credibility around here . . .
January 14th, 2007 at 7:01 amIrresponsible is putting it lightly, treason is more accurate.
Comment by joeslogic —
Are you trying to call Vietnam veteran GOP Senator Chuck Hagel and Oliver North as well as about 2/3 of the American public “treasonous,” joe? Well, I suppose this is the best “logic” we can expect from a guy, who on another thread presents exactly three names and calls them “four.”
January 14th, 2007 at 7:11 amSir Greg Nevins
If you are going to thrash and wail can you at least use better deodarant in here ?
You are stinking up the place
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January 14th, 2007 at 7:18 amapologies for the double post – it was not intentional.
Barfly:
Why do you insist on telling people to leave a forum? If the post remains, you will have a point. If I am not banned for posting it, you will have a point. In the interim, why the insults?
Civil discourse should be encouraged by all – as should open debate, with links and facts.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:25 amUntil they put up a new thread, this one will have to do:
House GOP Shows Its Fractiousness In the Minority
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 14, 2007; Page A01
House Republican leaders, who confidently predicted they would drive a wedge through the new Democratic majority, have found their own party splintering, with Republican lawmakers siding with Democrats in droves on the House’s opening legislative blitz.
Freed from the pressures of being the majority and from the heavy hand of former leaders including retired representative Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), many back-bench Republicans are showing themselves to be more moderate than their conservative leadership and increasingly mindful of shifting voter sentiment. The closest vote last week — Friday’s push to require the federal government to negotiate lower drug prices for Medicare — pulled 24 Republicans. The Democrats’ homeland security bill attracted 68 Republicans, the minimum wage increase 82.
“You’re freer to vote your conscience,” said Rep. Jo Anne Emerson (R-Mo.), who received an 88 percent voting record from the American Conservative Union in 2005 but has so far sided with Democrats on new budget rules, Medicare prescription-drug negotiations, raising the minimum wage and funding stem cell research. “Or, really, I feel free to represent my constituents exactly as they want me to be.”
“Times have changed. I don’t want to be someone who they say is too stubborn to change too,” said Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-La.), whose 92 percent conservative rating did not stop him from voting with Democrats on the homeland security and minimum-wage bills.
After their stinging defeat in November, Republican leaders in the House had gamely promised to draft procedural motions and parliamentary gambits that they said would split the new majority. With so many new Democrats hailing from moderate-to-conservative districts, even some Democrats saw the pledge as plausible.
In theory, Republicans have made good on their promises. Republicans argued vociferously against Democratic measures over the past two weeks, saying new deficit-control rules would guarantee tax increases, stringent homeland security measures would cripple commerce, and a minimum-wage increase would hurt the economy.
To counter the prescription-drug bill, GOP leaders drafted a parliamentary move that they said would ensure senior citizens’ access to local pharmacists and the full panoply of prescription drugs. They tried to beat back the stem cell bill with a popular alternative, a ban on federal funds for human cloning. And they countered the minimum-wage bill with a motion to send it back to be redrafted to include tax breaks and health-insurance benefits for small businesses. On the minimum-wage bill, Republican leadership aides even offered a list of 25 Democrats they could pull over to their side.
The results? Eighty-two Republicans joined a unanimous Democratic front to vote to increase the minimum wage, while 54 Republicans voted against their leadership’s counteroffer. Eighteen Republicans defied their leadership by opposing the parliamentary move against stem cells.
The homeland security bill — designed to implement most of the remaining recommendations of the commission that examined the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks — even garnered the vote of Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), who as chairman of the Homeland Security Committee last year, thwarted one of its central provisions, the screening of all shipping containers heading to U.S. ports.
Some Republicans, such as Reps. Todd R. Platts (Pa.) and Jim Ramstad (Minn.), sided with the Democrats on every major vote. But it was not just closet mavericks.
Last year, Rep. Deborah Pryce (Ohio) was a powerful member of the Republican leadership, responsible for uniting her fractious colleagues behind a single message. After narrowly escaping defeat in November, the swing-district Republican bolted from her party’s leadership last year. Last week, she virtually bolted from the party. . .
Congressional repubs are distancing themselves,
the people are solidly against him, the press is anxious for change, and even the generals are against escalation.
The impeachment clock just hit six.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:38 amJ Titor and troll alert,
I’m pretty sure you are not the same person. And there is no way either of you are the a$$wipe Sir(ly) Gag Nubins. Claiming you are all one person is just a cheap troll trick.
BTW, notice who just dropped off into ALL UPPERCASE WORLD suddenly. It’s a land populated by trolls. Angry monkeys with typing skills (kinda).
Also note that rachel b blair used the age old troll trick of inventing a person/circumstance/etc. (usually an aflicted/dead child) to give them “instant victim” status. Then they try to use that status to attack the original poster.
I doubt rachel b blair has any kids. Who cares? Anyone who would toss an aflicted kid under the “feel sorry for me/us” bus don’t deserve any respect here. That’s what rachel did. If she actually has a child with ADD and found what you, J Titor, posted too offensive then maybe she should blog at:
WAAAAAAAHHHH dot org.
That reminds me. Tell us all another dead baby joke Mighty A$$wipie!!
rachel b blair. BUSTED! Another troll…
January 14th, 2007 at 7:42 amWhy do you insist on telling people to leave a forum?
Well, one instance of me telling you to bug off doesn’t prove your theory. Unless you can post something to show me wrong?
In the interim, why the insults?
Bug off, Ace. The fact your post was read by me disproves your assertion. And posting articles from the Moonie Wash. Times isn’t going to get you any credibility around here . . . Me
What insults? Someone’s whining . . .
Civil discourse should be encouraged by all – as should open debate, with links and facts.
I didn’t insult you. You said I did. “Civil discourse” starts with facts, not unfounded assertions, and overheated rhetoric.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:46 amI think the president is right, if people does’t like him , as popularity rating indicates that does’nt mean he is not on the right path. Majority can be a group think.
http://blogs.ibibo.com/TechnicalJournal
January 14th, 2007 at 8:01 amBoy Judd will not like all the troll dropping posts on this thread > lol.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:08 am#158 – It’s me dixie blood and I am talking to you that way…go away little troll…
January 14th, 2007 at 8:08 amFree Speech IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. –ace
Actually ace, you’re wrong. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is illegal if in fact there is not a fire.
You also may not use speech to incite a riot.
I’ve not read the legislation you are referring too. If it’s like current legislation in many states then it’s not really regulating speech. These laws are what I call “pile on” laws.
For example, if you murder a person of a specific ethnicity or religion and you stay mum while pulling the trigger then you would be charged with murder. If you commit the same crime while shouting out hate speech you would be charged with murder AND violating the hate speech statute.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:09 amAce, go find out what enforcement apparatus will be used and what eventual penalties would ensue for violations and get back to us. Right now it looks as just some more observations being documented.My concern would be that this might be a back door way for the Federal government to regulate CONTENT on the Internet and to shut down whole providers and networks if they felt they were supporting the content just by providing it. Look at what Brazil did to Youtube over a model’s video. Also what group of people are currently NOT protected from the hate speech statues? Care to take a guess?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:12 amJanuary 24: All eyes on parliament
On Wednesday 24 January, for the second time in three months, MPs will have a parliamentary debate and vote on the issue of Iraq. The last time, on 31 October, MPs shamefully voted against an inquiry into the war. This time MPs should be left in no doubt that they must reflect the views of the overwhelming majority of British people, who say the Iraq war must end and all troops be brought home
The last time, on 31 October, was lost by 25 votes. Incredibly only 12 Labour MPs supported the call for an inquiry. Many MPs who have previously called for an end to the war either supported the government or abstained. In these circumstances an abstention can only be seen as effective support for the government.
The text of the motion is based on Early Day Motion 1088
“That this House believes that there should be a select committee of seven honourable Members, being members of Her Majesty’s Privy Council, to review the way in which the responsibilities of government were discharged in relation to Iraq and all matters relevant thereto, in the period leading up to military action in that country in March 2003 and in its aftermath.â€
Thats why Blair is swowing troop ruductions ONLY trying to weasle out of this Motion
SHOULD PASS THIS TIME AND BUSH WILL BE RED FACED BIG TIME
January 14th, 2007 at 8:36 amI’m incredulous that this man even knows the meaning of “irresponsibility” since that’s been the theme for his entire presidency!
He’s bungled everything he’s done and has felt zero need to be accountable for those actions to the american people. I call this the epitome of “irresponsibility” if he wants to begin throwing the adjective around.
This man not only is unqualified for the presidency, he needs a good psychiatric evaluation. Once again, THE most irrresponsible is calling others irresponsible…..a hallmark of serious mental disease.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:40 amIMPEACH THIS ‘INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT’ NOW!! He’s the biggest incompetent in the administration!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:41 amNow we’ve got him hoist on his own pitard and will go down in history with a descriptive adjective he obviously understands and uses: IRRESPONSIBLE BUSH.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:42 amIrresponsible is a big improvement over cut n’ run coward, traitor, enemy sympathizer. But then we have to consider the credibility of Bush and there is no credibility at all. He remains committed to destroying American families, American lives, the US treasury, the US Military and the US reputation, all so he can attempt to fill petro cronies’ and elder Bush’s pockets which in time will be his own. At this point in time, his chance of stealing Iraqis oil is slim to none.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:56 amBush can get away with saying there is no alternate plan because his minions don’t read ThinkProgress… if you could get some of the particulars of the redeployment plan out through the MSM it would weaken his ability to use that argument… that said, he would never stoop to using a left-created plan, no matter how good it might be… us staying in Iraq is now as much about pride as it is anything else…
January 14th, 2007 at 9:18 amhere’s the democrats plan;
1) stop letting morons make military decisions
2) stop adding to the problem
3) stop turning the military into a political arm of the administration
4) rebuild our armed forces
5) allow the Iraqi’s to govern themselves
oh, and most important, see number 1)
January 14th, 2007 at 9:27 amHey, Bushie, to rephrase your moronic rantings: Those who refuse to give diplomacy a chance to work have an obligation to offer an alternative that doesn’t involve dead Americans and even MORE permanent bases in the far corners of the globe. To oppose everything in lieu of tax-funded quagmire is irresponsible.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:34 amWell now, isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?
Stupid feeble little Shrub.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:18 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Wonder what Mighty A. thinks about a member of the administration recently saying that capturing bin Laden is a success that hasn’t yet happened?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:28 amI will concede to irresponsible behavior
January 14th, 2007 at 11:14 amif he will concede to being delusional and danger to others in the community
Bush apparently didn’t bother to read the Iraq Study Groups report. So comforting.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amBobby, Nancy, TtT, IJK
January 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pmObviously there are a number of us extremely suspicious and worried about the intentions of Bush&Co.
I think one of the Senators actually broached the subject in the hearings the other day.
If a scenario as we fear should occur, I think we will have to gather a sufficient number of Americans and officially remove Bush from office. We cannot/will not stand for this arbitrary, imperialistic, belligerent boy-king to take us into WWIII.
They are more Bush critics than Iraq critics.
Iraq is the symptom; Bush is the disease.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:00 pmIMPEACH!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pm#131 How could you expect anyone to predict let alone make promises about the outcome?
January 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pm#108
Where is the predicting? Those quotes you give are statements of objectives.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:01 pm#180
Who is expecting anyone to be able to predict anything?
BTW do you get off with your perverted comments?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:03 pm#183
“Isn’t it convenient how we hold our own politicians to a different standards than we do the *libruls*!”
I never held anyone to their predictions or agreed with them doing so.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:21 pm“To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible.” GWB
This statement is just stupid. If I suggest that we all should chop off our big toes what is an appropriate response?
I think “NO!” is an appropriate response.
Is it incumbant upon me to then make an alternate plan to cutting off our toes?
I think not. “NO!” is all that any sane person would expect.
President Bush……No! No! No!….No!
January 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pmToday in the news:
Bush blames his failed Iraq policy on America, calls the American people, “irresponsible.”
January 15th, 2007 at 6:50 pmTo #186: Bravo. Of course there are many sound and sane recommendations on the table regarding America’s illegal War against Iraq. Thanks for the reminder.
The best advice that Bush the Arrogant ignored: “When you’re in a hole, quick digging.” We Americans will pay forever for his cocky ignorance. God help the USA.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pm#185
“So then you admit that our *conservative* leadership were incompetent in predicting the future for Iraq during the invasion?”
Did Roosevlet predict the future for Europe during the invasion of Normandy? Did Truman predict the outcome of the Korean War? Give us a break.
January 16th, 2007 at 11:56 pm