‘Administration leaving out important details on Iraq.’
By on Jan 14th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
‘Administration leaving out important details on Iraq.’
McClatchy: “President Bush and his aides, explaining their reasons for sending more American troops to Iraq, are offering an incomplete, oversimplified and possibly untrue version of events there that raises new questions about the accuracy of the administration’s statements about Iraq.” (HT: DailyKos)
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Gee! Bush lying about Iraq? I would never believe that!
Enough of this jerk, impeach him and Cheney. NOW!
January 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pmBush lie? Noooooooooo… Say it isn’t so!
Every day is Opposite Day with the Chimp.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pmNo WMD
January 14th, 2007 at 10:38 pmNo Connection to 9-11
No “Freedom on the Marchâ€
No “Mission Accomplishedâ€
No oil
No democracy
No peace in the Middle East
No cheap gas
possibly untrue version of events ?? wow, whatever next..
January 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmBush Regime is filled with liars who lie about everything on a daily basis! Bush and Cheney must both resign or be impeached > PERIOD.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmHT to “s” on the GWB thread. Just sayin’ TP.
Read the link. It’s great reading.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:40 pmThe wheels are coming off.
Chimpy’s reign is drawing to a close…only a catastrophic and catalyzing event, like another new Pearl Harbor, could possibly distract us enough to let all this criminal behavior slide.
Keep an eye on those carriers in the Persian Gulf.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:41 pmEven people who don’t read papers and get all their news in 5 minutes a couple of times a week on television often watch 60 minutes — perhaps some more of them will see the buffoon in the White House who is sending our young people to their deaths for his stubbornness.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:51 pmNow, with the McClatchy (formerly Knight-Ridder) papers coming out and pointing out the fallacy of their assertions, this is another validation.
In watching the rerun of MTP tonight, as Hadley offered the admin. line I yelled at the TV — they think the war went bad in early 2006!!! Where the hell were they in the previous years!
Bush used his mushroom cloud excuse for invasion on 60 minutes tonight, even though Libby goes to trial this week. Their lying will never, we must demand impeachment. It is a civic duty to hold them accountable.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmLook people, get with the program. We are at war with IRAN not IRAQ anymore. Apparently Iraq was just the warm-up. And Israel’s little adventure last summer in Lebanon always seemed a little heavy handed – over kidnapped soldiers, yeah right. That was just a little excercise is softening up Hezbollah because they have been planning to hit Iran all along. This thing is “on rails” as they say and nothing will stop it. The 21st century is geting of to a great start no?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:55 pmHadley also said that once the troops are in place, the congress will support them.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:03 pmSo, they will quickly as possible put more troops in harm’s way and then dare congress to cut the funding.
They boldly use troops as pawns and arrogantly boast about it.
HT to “s†on the GWB thread. Just sayin’ TP.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
right on… only one time, in all this time reading TP, have i seen them acknowledge the commenter as a source for a new thread – and it’s obvious when that is the source… and it’s been happening a lot lately…
January 14th, 2007 at 11:03 pmcredit where credit is due!
offering an incomplete, oversimplified and possibly untrue version of events
Well, al I can say is that it follows the pattern.
Pres Bush and his henchmen offered an incomplete, oversimplified and wholly untrue version of a series of events to justify the invasion, and the subsequent occupation, of Iraq.
It could only be that he would offer an incomplete, oversimplified and untrue version (note I don’t use “possibly”; does anyone have a doubt at this point?) of events to justify an escalation of the conflict. Offering an accurate assessment at this time would mean to disclose all the distortions during the run-up to the war.
The invasion was sold with disinformation, and will be escalated with more. Propaganda, and misleading statements are the neo-cons’ tool of the trade.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:03 pmAs long as the small circles of NeoCons know about the details..that ’s what counts…Congress the last to know…
January 14th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThe NYT has an article on MOnday that pretty much confirms that Bush is expanding the war to include Iran. Folks, as we sit here, Bush is going to start WWIII.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:10 pmDo we have to storm Washington DC?
Come see the debut of Start Making Sense, a new series that exposes the political maxim that, “with big suit, comes evasion of big responsibility.”
Basically, it’s a rundown of the Sunday Talking Heads on TV. Talking Heads, big suit, stop/start making sense. Get it? (Crickets)
The subject? Well, if you saw the talking heads on TV tonight, you’ll know that it was, of course, Iraq and the splurge. I call it that, any way, because Bush is spending human flesh like we splurge after we get our tax refunds.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:23 pmImportant details like the Peshmerga troops about to be brought in to take on the Shiite militias in Baghdad.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:38 pmTrouble a brewin…
Marie, it’s more like BushCo are holding the troops hostage to control congress……this is very very bad. We are all in grave danger. How come people are not talking about all the privately run detention camps being built in the USA? This is madness and it’s not like we have an excuse. We were supposed to learn something from Nazi Germany. And that was……don’t do that sort of thing.
I would have never believed 6 years ago that I would fear my government more than the terrorists. These are bad bad people.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI would have never believed 6 years ago that I would fear my government more than the terrorists. These are bad bad people.
Comment by s
Well said, s.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI agree.
We are at War with Iraq. We have always been at War with Iraq.
That is all the details that loyal party members need to know.
Big Brother is watching.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:13 amLet’s face it, Bush is sending a lot of young women and men to an early death to cement a deal for the oil companies to suck out as much Iraqi Oil as they can in the next 30 years.
Think about this: A kid gets killed in Iraq the same day his son is born, who will also grow up to get killed in Iraq the same day his son is born. And each and every year, from now until then, the CEO’s of American Oil Companies will get paid over $100,000,000 in Salary and Bonuses. Suffice to say, their sons won’t get killed in Iraq. (That’s why we’re eliminating the Anti-Dynasty Tax.)
January 15th, 2007 at 12:20 amWorth reprinting here:
A Nation Rocked to Sleep
Carly Sheehan
August 15th, 2005
January 15th, 2007 at 12:23 am
Thanks for the poem reprinting, BnF.
I read here all the time, but rarely post.
Just wanna say, I always enjoy your comments.
Thanks again
January 15th, 2007 at 12:40 amAnd shit, we haven’t heard any of the details on the upcoming Iranian airstrike, have we?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:40 amI must remind some of the posters here that this is not a war with Iraq, but is the so called “War on Terror”. What is going on in iraq right now is an occupation. The war, or what was really an invasion with the most sophisticated and powerfull armaments on the planet, was over when Dubya said mission accomplished on the carrier deck just off the coast of California. We won it hands down, with minimal casualities. The ones who suffered were the civilians in Iraq, who had thousands of casualities, and have had ever since.
The reason used by Bush & Co. was 911, an unbelievable disaster that they will not allow a proper investigation on. One thing for sure, Saddam Hussein didn’t do it, and it is doubtful that Osama Bin Laden did it, but to anybody who looks on the internet, there is damning evedence that the stories that were reported by our government and the media that is controlled by them are not true.
We were lied to to get us into this mess, and are still being lied to to continue an agenda that is dangerous to America as well as the whole planet. The stench from Washington DC is so powerful, that many republicans are also disagreeing with this Corporate government. I say that because it is more of a corporation than it is a representative government.
Keep your eyes and ears on the persian gulf, because it is filled with war ships and Bush & Co. are getting desparate. They are now ready to go on Iran, that was their main target in the first place. All of the main planning for this whole scenario can be found on the PNAC web site. If you don’t know what the Project For The New American Century is, you have a lot of home work to do. Nuff said….G:
January 15th, 2007 at 12:53 amWar on terror, war on drugs.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:02 amHype, hysteria and hyperbole.
You can’t wage war on a tactic.
Time to walk the walk. We you I all sit at the monitors and complain loudly, waiting for SOMEONE to clean up this mess. The only thing these people understand it their bottom line. The only way to reach them is a strike. To end the war. For impeachment. For Justice. Damned inconveinient but it’s time to start organizing.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:00 amI think it is plain stupid and childish to demand secret war info. out into public domain and press lest the enemies take strategic steps to counter measures which may prove detrimental for the country.
What is your take
http://blogs.ibibo.com/TechnicalJournal?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:01 amIf and when Bush attacks Iran, then on that day WWIII most likely begins and the end of our way of life as we have all known it. The war on Iran is NOT justified, but would/will be criminal aggression. Every decent American must call or fax their Representatives this week to demand that war on Iran is stopped before it begins. After it begins is too late to prevent global destruction!
January 15th, 2007 at 5:06 amTwo more habgings in Iraq
I just wrote this concerning Reagan, but I think this is a good description of GWBs motivation also
I mean I remember Reagan also as somebody who made pretty polarized statements and wasnt necessarily a content producer. “Well bomb Moscow in five minutes” was one of them. GWB and Reagan had pretty much the same humour. They can be very eratically tearing certain things down and mocking them. I mean I dont say the left is free of such attempts. Though it was the cold war and I always thought of Reagan as slightly lunatic&mad.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:10 amDespite the word on everybodys tongue was privatization.
The Repugs made billions in the eighties, think of AT&T for example, to finance their hideous spending.
People are saying when looking at GWB hes not as rigid as the repugs b4 him when it comes to spending.
That is utter bullshit. Reagan had hardly a balance after selling half of the state.
Think of Clinton. He had a 500bio$ surplus.
Now GWB cant sell anything anymore to let his cronies rock. That is easily to be recognized through the ever mounting US debt.
Reagan was pretty adventurous. Grenada for example. He liked small provocations to put up certain “borders.”
In the end, when Gorbatshov came in 1987, he could only accept the Soviets were unwilling to continue their opposition towards the United States of America. Reagan looked tired after-for example-giving a speech in front of the Berlin wall. The cold war was breeding ground for many righties to hack lefties. McCarthy for example. Reagan was no exception. Ford had the ability to unite nevertheless, Reagan had it difficulties. Reagan was a divider hen it came to welfare or state as such. Communism was the alter ego. I think the Repugs had liked to stay on this “easy” track for a while. They couldnt.
Today we got the “terrorists.” GWB is creating some similiar threat. It never really vanishes due to failures in crafting. Instead of shooting Oussama he inflamed Iraq and created anger around the Arab world.
I dont know why the Repugs think theyre winning thru black and white.
“What were looking at is good and evil, right and wrong. A new world order.”
Bet you all 99 to 1 … Bush starts war with Iran
The belief that George Bush’s troops “surge” policy in Iraq is also aimed at confronting Iran was strengthened yesterday when the White House declared that it was “going to deal” with the actions of the Tehran regime.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:30 amI really think we are beyond that now. I have been writing/faxing my, and and other congress members for years and it does no good. Thats my personal opinion, and I’m not trying to influence anyone to stop contacting their representative. I think that this has been in the works for some time and the goal is to destabalize the region to cause a domino effect. Through this domino effect the remains of our economy and security will be used against us by this government to create a de facto military state. The pieces are already in place:
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:
10900 – Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
10995 – Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
10997 – Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
10998 – Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
11000 – Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
11001 – Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
11002 – Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.
11003 – Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
11004 – Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, and designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
11005 – Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
11051 – Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
11310 – Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
11049 – Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
11921 – Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
Marry the above with HR6166 – The Military Comissions Act of 2006, Patriot Act 1, and 2, REX 84, The United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2, and it has all the makings of a soon to be Police State.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:53 amI forgot. I would also add to google “Nafta super highway”, “North American Union”, and that all the above is going on in Europe as well, under the European moniker. Hmm One World Government?
January 15th, 2007 at 6:03 amHmm One World Government?
How many times must you post this same tired post
Look I will tell you what Titor those who wanted to save that text have already done so long long ago
You posting it even more than ONCE in a 6 month timeframe is sufficient to attempt to get you *Point* across
Your thinking ,
I will be superior to them and their psyche and they will know I am superior if I keep forcing this post down their silly little craws
Look I didnt believe you then and I sure as hell do not now so kindly QUIT posting that tired old rag over and over and over again
Contrary to the way your mind works and about how people should be viewed by you ?
Every time you try to roll out and foist this childish maneuver on these boards the all the more it makes you look like a raving idiot
A Dean Scream moment if I ever saw one
January 15th, 2007 at 6:11 amBet you all 99 to 1 … Bush starts war with Iran
Don’t like those odds. I don’t want to be a loser!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:16 amHmm One World Government?
How many times must you post this same tired post
Look I will tell you what Titor those who wanted to save that text have already done so long long ago
You posting it even more than ONCE in a 6 month timeframe is sufficient to attempt to get you *Point* across
Your thinking ,
I will be superior to them and their psyche and they will know I am superior if I keep forcing this post down their silly little craws
Look I didnt believe you then and I sure as hell do not now so kindly QUIT posting that tired old rag over and over and over again
Contrary to the way your mind works and about how people should be viewed by you ?
Every time you try to roll out and foist this childish maneuver on these boards the all the more it makes you look like a raving idiot
A Dean Scream moment if I ever saw one
January 15th, 2007 at 6:21 amHmm One World Government?
Comment by JTitor — January 15, 2007 @ 6:03 am
How many times must you post this same tired post
Look I will tell you what Titor those who wanted to save that text have already done so long long ago
You posting it even more than ONCE in a 6 month timeframe is sufficient to attempt to get you *Point* across
Your thinking ,
I will be superior to them and their psyche and they will know I am superior if I keep forcing this post down their silly little craws
Look I didnt believe you then and I sure as hell do not now so kindly QUIT posting that tired old rag over and over and over again
Contrary to the way your mind works and about how people should be viewed by you ?
Every time you try to roll out and foist this childish maneuver on these boards the all the more it makes you look like a raving idiot
A Dean Scream moment if I ever saw one
January 15th, 2007 at 6:23 amMcClatchy is my homepage. They used to be Knight Ridder. They told the truth about WMD b4 the war. : )
January 15th, 2007 at 6:52 amA vital detail being left out of the discussion is what Iraqis themselves want and the plan they have worked together on for reconciliation and peace.
January 15th, 2007 at 7:03 amSaddams half-brother’s head was ripped off by the noose.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:53 amLawyer slams conduct of Saddam aide’s execution
An Iraqi government official defended the conduct of the latest executions, insisting that there had been “no violations” and that Barzan’s head had been severed by the force of the noose.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1827414.htm
The Iraqi’s are still good at conducting Lynchings
January 15th, 2007 at 8:56 amSaddam Hussein’s half-brother and the former head of Iraq’s revolutionary court were hanged in orange jump suits like prisoners at Guantanamo Naval base
Iraqi government officials said the executions had been orderly. However, Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Saddam’s half-brother and a feared intelligence chief, had his head severed during the hanging.
His decapitation, which an Iraqi government spokesman called “a rare incident”, provoked outrage within Iraq’s Sunni Arab community. Khalaf al-Olayan, a leader of the main Sunni bloc in parliament, demanded to see any video taken during the execution. Sunnis say That his head was ripped of after execution
January 15th, 2007 at 9:01 amDon’t they always leave out the important details about Iraq? Bush doesn’t want anyone to know that he’s even more incompetent than we think.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:21 amOne big problem with this Article, the author states as fact, as The Bush Boys do, that Iran is behind the Shiite death squads and much of the violence. I want to see/hear some real evidence as to actual actions by the Iranians. I hear over and over from Bushco, and this article repeats it, that Iran is a major cause of the violence and instability. Lets see some proof.
Next, and related, this article states that it is the Sadr (Shiite) army/militia that is primarily responsible for the Shiitie death squads and violence. But, Sadr is not tight with Iran. It is the other Shiite group, south of Bagdhad, that is very close, and supposedly controlled, by Iran.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:25 amNo honorable exit can come after a dishonorable entrance.
Our administration is with The Dark Side.
Where’s Yoda when you need him?
January 15th, 2007 at 9:33 amWhat do you expect?
“Details on Iraq” are so pre-2007. 2007 is the year of incinerating Iran. The Iraq civil war is a comma in history and Dick now wants an exclamation mark in the form of a mushroom cloud over Tehran.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:50 am“Is she related to Cindy Sheehan ?
If she is related to Cindy Sheehan she is not credible.”
Comment by blythe davis
Hey, Blythe:
Discounting the veracity of a statement on the basis that you don’t like the person who made it – much less discounting a statement made by one of their relatives – is a sure sign of having been brain washed, or of wiilful spite. So, if the author of the poem is not related to Cindy Sheehan, then the poem might be true?
You need therapy.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:51 amApparently #26 bd doesn’t understand poetry. She doesn’t have to like it; it is a poem not a news article.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:07 amIs fatthighs making any sense to anyone?
January 15th, 2007 at 10:08 am“If she is related to Cindy Sheehan she is not credible”
Credibility is genetically-based! Pass it on to your local biologist.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:28 amAh, the DailyKos, now THERE’S a website we should ALL support. More reality based news than hype (think BETTER than TP…)
January 15th, 2007 at 10:49 am“incomplete, oversimplified and possibly untrue” = everything ever to come out of Dubbie’s mouth, or those of his “tard chamber”
January 15th, 2007 at 11:14 am60 Minutes- Pelley: You mention mistakes having been made in your speech
Bush: (nods and smiles) What mistakes are you talking about? Abu Ghraib was a mistake. Using bad language like, ya know, “bring ‘em on,” was a mistake. I think history is going to look back and see a lot of, uh, ways we could’ve done things better. No question about it.-DailyKos
January 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amThat’s the extent of his mea culpa. Not only does Bush not get it, even if he might get something one day and have good idea about it, he’s incapable of articulating it or selling it. Americans have lost faith in it’s democracy, and so has the rest of the world by the actions of one man.
Carly Sheehan is Casey Sheehan’s sister.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pmIs fatthighs making any sense to anyone?
Comment by Marie — January 15, 2007 @ 10:08 am
No.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pm[...] Some of the press (McClatchy, via DailyKos), albeit not the ones who bought our beloved Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News, step out and speak truth to power: Administration leaving out important details on Iraq [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pmOh…leaving something out, pray tell? How unusual!! This is ALL this administration of smoke & mirrors ever does – varnish the version, cherry pick the details, and otherwise pollute the situation with lies and intentional ambiguity! How original, Bushco! It’s too bad that we’re onto their tactics so they become nothing but a mere laughingstock! What a farce this administration is!
What’s up with CandiCondi? Aw, shucks….is Mama Laura taking CandiCondi away from little junior finally? The tabloids have it right – he’ll be “disappearing CandiCondi soon and with such aplomb as he has the visitor records of the WH visitors lest the corporate whores and sexual preferences of those residing within finally be told. I suspect that soon the american people will be learning more about Bush’s little eye candy: CandiCondi and their lurid trysts. Maybe that’s what this country needs to impeach him….it’s not enough that the list of high crimes and impeachable offenses is as high as a mountain – nope – not for this country. But find that he’s been playing around with little miss condi and that’ll impeach him for sure. Tick…tock…..the impeachment clock is ticking…..
Plenty of insiders willing to sell their story on this one I’m sure. But…..aha….the tabloids get first dibs on the story…..they’ve already got it replete with photos, etc…..
Let the impeachment games begin….after all…..isn’t that what got Billy in the dog house?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWe, in this country, will hold George W. Bush responsible for posturing against Iran and all that results from it. It’s obvious that his intent in going into Iraq was not to find WMD’s but to get a leg up on the oil (which blew up in his horrendous face) and to maintain a military presence in the region. I think Mr. Bush needs to be very careful what he is asking for here!
January 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmFound this little tidbit that I thought might interest everybody:
Ron Paul Prepares To Run For President
Jan 12, 2007
http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/…n-for- president
He can’t win his party’s nomination but he will certainly add to the debates.
He’s the ONLY congressman who has been willing to state on the floor the real motivation behind the war in Iraq and the recent escalation of hostilities against Iran.
Ron Paul: The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran. (…)
Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.
And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros. …
http://www.house.gov/paul/congre…06/ cr021506.htm
As Ron Paul pointed out: The REAL reason for the urgency to attack Iran now is :
Iran turns from dollar to euro in oil sales
December 23, 2006
http:// business.timesonline.co.u…2514985,00.html
And as Ron Paul also pointed out, that’s the same thing Iraq did that was the real reason behind the war.
Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro
January 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pmFebruary 16, 2003
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/ i…,896344,00.html
Big Brother is watching you
Is fatthighs making any sense to anyone?
Comment by Marie #58
Marie,
…I could be wrong but…
…it sounds like the inspiration for…
…that “brains on drug”/skillet fried egg psa…
…either that or…
…the CIA’s ME translation/interpreter program is worse than we thought…
January 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmIf she is related to Cindy Sheehan she is not credible
Comment by blythe davis
Why????? I am interested to hear your tortured logic on this.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmSending the extra troops to Iraq for no good reason can only be seen as a domestic salvo launched at the Democrats and the majority of the country who wants peace. Cheney and Bush are thumbing their noses at us in prep. for totalitarian rule. IMPEACH NOW before it is too late.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:51 pm