Bush: I’m Sending More Troops To Iraq No Matter What Congress Does
By on Jan 14th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Bush: I’m Sending More Troops To Iraq No Matter What Congress Does
This week, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) introduced a resolution requiring President Bush to gain new congressional authorization before escalating the War in Iraq.
President Bush, however, says that he is going to send more troops to Iraq no matter what Congress does. Watch an excerpt from his 60 Minutes interview tonight:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/01/bushiraq.320.240.flv]
Legal scholars on the right and left agree that Congress has the legal power to prevent an escalation or end the war completely.
Transcript:
Q: If you have the authority to put the troops in there no matter what the Congress wants to do.
BUSH: I think I’ve got, in this situation I do, yeah. I fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I’ve made my decision. And we’re going forward.
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But minimum wage comes first!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:02 amYes, Congress has the authority, but will Congress do it? Will Congress once and for all do the will of the American people for the good of the country? I highly doubt it, but I’m so used to seeing Congress cave in over and over again that I don’t know what real Congressional courage looks like.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:06 amBTW, did anyone catch Hagel chew Lieberman a new one on “Meet the Press” this morning?! I swear Lieberman actually blushed!
No matter what Congress does? Even if Congress cuts off funding?
Impeach. Now. Before more needlessly die.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amPoor Shrub, using THAT word again: “THINK”
Doesn’t he know that HIS BRAIN, HIS THINKING is why we are where we are today?
George, STOP IT, NOW! You’re the DECIDER, NOT THE THINKER!!!
When you THINK, SHRUB, YOU FAIL.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:10 amEvidently everything you and I were taught in civics class about democracy and how the American government works was a bunch of crap.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:14 amBush: I’m Sending More Troops To Iraq No Matter What Congress Does
Well, you could just air-lift them on Air Force One after funding has been cut off, RIGHT? That might be your only option, Dubya-Dunce-the-Decider.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:16 amTime for Congress to remind the Executive Branch that they are EQUALS, and that per the Constitution, which they all swore to uphold, only Congress has the right to declare war.
Bush badly needs to be spanked, and if this Congress does that, they will have honored the vote of thepeopleon November 7th. If not, they should be prepared to find new jobs in 2009.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:17 am#4
I saw it and Joe LIEberman is a complete a$$wipe. He’s clearly useless to this nation. His loyalties are not with this country!! Joe is for Joe and only Joe!!
Jon Kyl is on the show too. He’s another size XXX Large moron!! Wow, Repugnicans really love to elect airheads.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:18 amEvidently everything you and I were taught in civics class about democracy and how the American government works was a bunch of crap.
Comment by GodfryDaniel — January 14, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Evidently….
January 14th, 2007 at 11:18 amLook at Bush going with the jacket & no-tie look.
Alert Jeff Greenfield, he’s doing the Ahmadeenajad.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:19 amSo, what Bush is saying is…Democrats win in 2006 plus a sizable Republican opposting my policy and with 70 % of the population against ‘escalation-(depending on whom you are talking to..Condi calls it augmentaion,other call it surge)’ don’t mean anything to me..’cause I made my decision,and that is what counts. Of course all this talk about ISG was only a hogwash..the plan now is ‘New Way Forward’, with more sacrificies.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:20 am¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?
WTF??????
January 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amNever before in our lifetimes have we seen a time when our elected representatives have actually been expected by a majority of their constituents to put the constitution before party and re-election. They haven’t figured out yet that we mean it.
This is why we have to keep calling their offices and insisting that they fulfull their constitutional responsibility to provide authorization for war, backing up that responsibility with a threat to impeach if it is not followed. We have to call them out publicly. We have to ask our representatives why they haven’t called for impeachment yet.
These guys have gotten used to not answering to you and me because we have not insisted that they do. We have refused to impose term limits. We have nursed at the tender tit of consumerism while they have been stealing the furniture. Had enough?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amHasn’t he already started sending them over? The train wreck is already in motion.
The only thing left to do is IMPEACH!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amIf this pronouncement (signing statement) is followed through, this would not just be a misdemeanor, but a good case could be made that it is a high crime against our Constitution!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amHello, Congress, anybody home????
(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACH
January 14th, 2007 at 11:26 am(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACHNOW(CH)IMPEACH(CH)IMPEACH
And the case is being made to “go forward” into Iran.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:26 amMr. President, I will try to put this in words you’ll understand. We do not support your plan for an “influxion” of troops. And no matter what you say, we’re not willing to make a “sacrifution” just to save your personal reputation. I explained it in more detail on my blog with my latest parody. Enjoy.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:28 amHow many of you are ready to march in the streets of DC?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:28 amHey, Briseadh,
I’m curious (and I don’t know all the details), but did we send our troops into the sovereign terrority of another nation when they went into that consulate in Iraq and took those Iranians? If so, doesn’t sending troops into the sovereign territory of another nation constitute an “Act of War”? If not, what is it about what we did that prevents Iran from viewing it as an act of war?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amWho elected Bush dictator? Don’t we have three branches of equal government in America?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amBush couldn’t define them a few years ago – today he claims them all to himself.
He must be forced out of office.
Scott Pelly of ‘60 minutes’…Should have asked Bush..if this has to do with PNAC(PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY) and th NeoCons doctrine of Clean Break,and the Realm.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:31 am“They can try to stop me?”
“I’ve made my decision?”
Pardon me if I take a second to quote the agreed upon pact for civil governance for the most powerful nation in the history fo the world:
“The Congress shall have power to … declare war … to raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years … to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.”
Mr. Bush, your personal stupidity is about to get the Presidency itself neutered.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amBizarre. The hand gestures, the body language (what I can see of it). The tone of a little boy whose mommy told him he’s right and everyone else is wrong (there was always one kid like that in every neighborhood that everyone hated).
But he’s bullying on such a huge, dangerous scale. How can one person be allowed to be so reckless with so many people’s lives? It’s MADNESS.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:34 amIn our constitution, it states that the Congress shall not pass laws which contradict the powers delegated to the three branches of government, so there actions show a startling lack of understanding of their own government.
Bush should have sent in more troops prior to that Shia mosque being bombed, because he knew all along what the insurgent strategy was – to start a civil war. As your enemy adapts, you too must adapt, or as the libs like to say “change course”. Bush failed to adapt to this new tactic over a year ago, hoping that the increasing number of Iraqi troops could handle the problem. What he couldn’t have guessed, is that Maliki would have been too weak to act. Tragic.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amM.L. King, “A time comes when silence is betrayal.”
Let’s hit the steets of DC, Jan 27, and see what happens.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:40 amHad enough?
Comment by RealityCheck — January 14, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Well said… And to answer your question – yes!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:42 am….[..I made my decision, we are going foreward]…. I have Lieberman on one side and McCain on the other.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:42 amIMPEACH.
YOUR FREAKIN’ COWARDS IN CONGRESS, HE’S DARING YOU.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amIt is impossible to listen to a dictator with secret prisons of torture. Bush is just another thug.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amWhat is just funny as all get out is that Dumbya thinks he will somehow sway…well, anyone by appearing on 60 Minutes. Really, I mena I knew he was dumb, but he should stick to Rush, Sean and their ilk.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe Great Destroyer acting as the Decider has already made his decision. When oh when will this lunatic be taken to the psych ward and placed in a padded room.
Will this world survive 736 days, 12 hours, 15 minutes, xx seconds of the Great Destroyer???
January 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhat he couldn’t have guessed, is that Maliki would have been too weak to act. Tragic.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
No one was guessing except YOU.
He was warned of Maliki’s Shia ties and told not to trust him. He’s NOT WEAK, he’s politically allied with the insurgents, STUPID!
Once again, fools like you who support Shrub and are complicit in this fiasco is what is so TRAGIC.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:48 amDamn right Bush has the right to send more troops. Congress has no authority and can not tell Bush what to do.
Comment by Exley
Incorrect. The President only commands the troops that the Congress raises and supports. And the Congress makes the rules for what our military does, and can constitutionally restrict them any way they see fit. The President cannot do “whatever he wants” (as some have suggested) with our military. There are limits to his authority over our nation’s armed forces. The Congress CAN stop him (assuming he has a change of heart and decides that laws do matter in this country.)
January 14th, 2007 at 11:50 am22, Wayne, a case could certainly be made for what you’re saying. My post last Friday on that subject never showed up.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:51 amWhat he couldn’t have guessed, is that Maliki would have been too weak to act. Tragic.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 11:39 am
This is the new troll/moron/neocon talking point. It’s all Maliki’s fault.
GW Botch is the only one to blame for this entire cluster ph*ck. He started it. He ran it. He screwed it up! NO ONE ELSE BUT BOTCH!!
IMPEACH THE BASTARD !!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:52 amDo you think someone in Fox News is gonna notice how democracy was broken?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:54 amY’all,
Notice how all the trolls start showing up whenever IMPEACHMENT is mentioned. This is why the trolls are here now. They want us to stop flaming the fires of impeachment.
To late trolls. Go back to molesting your children you useless stooges!!
January 14th, 2007 at 11:55 amOH? Which Article, which Section and which clause?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy isn’t anybody asking Bush the obvious question?
“Mr. President, since you have been wrong in about a 100% of the time you have predicted anything about Iraq, what makes you think that you are right this time?”
January 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider
January 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amI dont think thats Exley, Wayne.
Briseadh,
I’m not sure if something I posted ever showed (it might have and I just forgot which thread it was on), but I was concerned about certain details. For example, I heard the word “consulate” used to describe what it was our soldiers stormed. I know that a nation’s “embassy” has full territorial sovereign rights, but does the same apply to a “consulate”? Or is that just another word for the same thing, “embassy”? If they’re the same, and if our troops actually went ion (as opposed to yelling advice to the Iraqi soldiers from outside the compound), then it would have to be seen as the same as sending troops over the border into Iran (which is most definitely an act of war.)
January 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amTo my elected officials:
On Sunday, January 14, 2007, President George Bush tells 60 Minutes, in regard to his decision to send more troops to Iraq:
“I think ‘ve got, in this situation I do, yeah. I fully understand they (Congress) could try to stop me from doing it. But I’ve made my decision. And we’re going forward.”
However the United States Constitution clearly states:
“The Congress shall have power to … declare war … to raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years … to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.â€
On November 7th, 2006, the People of the United States sent Congress a very loud and clear message that we want out of Iraq. If George Bush will not honor that request from the people for whom he works, it is your responsibility as our Representatives to remind him of his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution, and respect the Legislative Branch’s obligations in a time of war. It is my job, as clearly defined by Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, to remind you of yours when you are not doing it. And right now, Congress is not following the Constitution or will of the People. Please make this a priority.
Thank you,
January 14th, 2007 at 11:59 amGood News, Hendler and Exley: the House has voted to raise the minimum wage! That means you’ll get a raise for your work posting here!
Hendler: “In our constitution, it states that the Congress shall not pass laws which contradict the powers delegated to the three branches of government, so there actions show a startling lack of understanding of their own government.”
Could you please clean up the grammar in the last half of that sentence, as it stands, it is meanless. Hint: replace “there” with to whom you are referring.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:00 pmHere’s an interesting tidbit from this morning’s paper.
“A Kurdish army bridage from northern Iraq is undergoing urban-combat training for deployment to Baghdad, where it expects to take on the Mahdi Army Shiite militia, its commander said Saturday.”
On whose orders?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pmDoes al Maliki know about this? Is he sanctioning it?
If al Sadr finds out, this government (such as it is) is over.
Very interesting.
Do you think someone in Fox News is gonna notice how democracy was broken?
Comment by Juan C
Only when it directly affects them.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI don’t think anyone realizes yet just how ugly it’s about to get.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmGeorge W. Bush to the United States of America: F*ck you.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmDixie,
Don’t flatter yourself ….
If there is a trend of conservatives blogging as you are screaming impeachment, it is merely correlation, and not cause and effect (if you need, look up correlation, we can wait) …
Here is an interesting question, if/when Congress declares of a war, can they then UN-declare it? I guess in their power to approve treaties, they can end it, so does congress have a peace treaty with terrorists that we don’t know about?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider
I dont think thats Exley, Wayne.
Comment by Juan C
I think you’re correct. I saw another post on another thread cliaming to be Exley that was so authoritarian in its ignoirance that I simply couldn’t believe it was the same Exley with whom I’ve managed to have reasonable discussions. I think TP has an impostor here. It would be nice if whoever is moderating today would check the e-mail of the “Exley” posting on these two most recent threads to see if it’s the same one we know. If it’s not, then they should block its posts.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmComment by unbelievable — January 14, 2007 @ 11:59 am
You’re way to kind…
GW Botch needs to attend a fitting for ankle bracelets…next a thorough cavity search…and then years of abuse in the “general population.”
January 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIn our constitution, it states that the Congress shall not pass laws which contradict the powers delegated to the three branches of government, so there actions show a startling lack of understanding of their own government.
Reading comprehension problem again Jason?
Bush failed to adapt to this new tactic over a year ago, hoping that the increasing number of Iraqi troops could handle the problem. What he couldn’t have guessed, is that Maliki would have been too weak to act. Tragic.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Actually, we liberals did tell you blood thirsty neocons that this invasion of Iraq was both illegal and unwinnable considering your Commander in Chief. You chose to not only ignore us, but call us unpatriotic and unAmerican. Apologize for your participation in that demonization of our right to stand opposed to anything that will cause our country more harm than good.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWayne,
TP needs to fix a lot of shit around here. Just sayin’.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI should also think that the Bushco crime syndicate is also behind the provocative attack on the Iranian “consulate”. Trying to provoke the Iranians into some retaliatory anything to justify the next move. Airstrikes on their “nukular” facilities.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:08 pmBris,
I have no problem with the minimum wage – it’s negative effects impacts the black community most, which is mostly Democrat, helps illegal immigrants (hispanics), who are displacing the black community in political power (again, mostly Democrat), and definitely helps the white community, which is predominately Republican.
Thanks, Dems, for indirectly hurting your consituents, while appearring to help them and bolstering your own image, so that the black community keeps voting for you to hurt them.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWayne, (45) That’s what I replied to, and that reply never showed up. I included a brief, fully cited quote from a book I do not have with me at the time, so I’ll have to paraphrase (and hope this post shows up).
There are conflicting facts being circulated as to the status of the building and occupants, however, consuls, in international law, may have even greater diplomatic immunity than Ambassadors.
There are a number of countries expressing their concern, and rightly so. Could the United States invade Iranian offices on their soil? Well, we have the manpower to do so. Would we? That’s anybody’s guess, but Bush’s track record increases the likelihood that we would.
This is merely the latest step in trying to goad Iran into a response.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThanks, Dems, for indirectly hurting your consituents, while appearring to help them and bolstering your own image, so that the black community keeps voting for you to hurt them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Put down the crack pipe, Jason.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:13 pm#55, unbee,
Once again, you label my statements as “reading comprehension” problems, without backing up that statement. You are correct not to do so, since libs only need to look at their adversaries with disdain, without substantiating it, to maintain their image.
Afghanistan is actually doing quite well Democratically, because their leaders understand who their enemies are (Taliban), and don’t hesitate to attack them. In Iraq, they understood to attack insurgents, but didn’t understand that they needed to completely protect all citizens from insurgents provoking a war. It is easily winnable, but Iraq does need a new Prime Minister.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pmQuick! Urgent investment opportunity in SMI
January 14th, 2007 at 12:16 pmStrawMen Int’l.
Hendler’s back and the outlook is up, up, up!
I’ve been reluctant to jump on the impeachment bandwagon because it will unfortunately amount to a fool’s errand as long as Cheney (who’s just as bad if not worse than Dubya) remains Vice President. However, at this point, I don’t see any alternative to the Presidential juggernaut. If Bush insists on sending more troops to Iraq in defiance of Congress, he will not only be effectively communicating the message that Congress is irrelevant and that he is not answerable to them — he will also be saying the same about the American people, because Congress is made up of people whom the American people have chosen to represent them in government. The polls indicate that a majority of Americans do not support sending more troops into Iraq — so if Bush goes ahead and does it anyway, he will have sacrificed the will of the American people to his own and this will represent a betrayal of the promises he made when he took the Oath of Office. The only logical and effective response to this from Congress would be to draw up articles of impeachment — if they do not, they will send the message to Bush that they will essentially roll over and play dead for the next two years.
It’s been becoming more and more clear over the last few years that Dubya does not consider himself beholden to anyone — and as some of us have known all along, this is a very dangerous sign. He’s been making end-runs around Congress by signing bills into law but then using signing statements to declare himself exempt from the same law — this amounts to a de facto line-item veto, but there is no official procedure for a line-item veto because the Supreme Court has already ruled in the past that it’s unconstitutional. This is a serious disruption of the system of checks and balances which our Founding Fathers created in attempt to avoid this very scenario — to prevent one branch of government from obtaining absolute power. Dubya must learn that he doesn’t have the right to absolute power, that he is answerable to the American people instead of vice versa — and given Bush’s stubborn temperament, the only way that he’ll learn it is by being removed from office. The only thing which concerns me is that given his behavior to date, it seems extremely unlikely that Dubya would concede even if a Congressional majority votes to remove him from office. It occurs to me that this would open the door to some very nasty possibilities — especially if what Truthdig has reported is true and right-wing supporters make up a considerable percentage of the police and the military.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:16 pmBnF,
Jason M(oron) Hitler never misses an opportunity to be a racist a$$wipe. It’s his trademark.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:17 pmGW Botch needs to attend a fitting for ankle bracelets…next a thorough cavity search…and then years of abuse in the “general population.â€
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
I just want Congress to stop ignoring the elephant inthe room and do their damn jobs.
I’m convinced, as a government employee myself, that people in positions of authority, the majority of the time, are lacking certain cognitive abilities that the rest of us possess.
Congress has done a lot of great things their first 100 hours. More than we got from the 109th Congress in tehir entirety. But as long as they continue to ignore the most important problem – military agression (aka Iraq) – nothing else they do will matter. Because there will be no United States if the rest of the world has enough of the violent bullying of sovereign nations and decideds to do something about it. And I have little doubt they are presently considering it.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#60, zoo-luv,
Again, you and unbee have no arguments, just slanders.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:17 pmJason M Hendler – why are you such a racist? Why are filled with hate and anger? Why are you unAmerican? Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you want Americans to die for a lie? Why are you so mean spirited? I know that you are not a Christian because Jesus wasn’t filled with hate. Jesus wasn’t a racist and Jesus understood the separation of church and state.
So what is it that you really believe? Is money and power your GOD?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmZooey,
I know. When I first came into the office to blog, I saw that other thread about the House passing prescription drug reform and I saw all those inane posts by “Sir Greg Nivens” (whom I suspect is neither named Greg, nor Nivens, nor is he a knight), I said goodbye again. It’s getting really bad here with the disruptive trolls. As I said, I’m willing to debate any conservative (a real one) on the issues, but trying to debate pimply-faced kids posing as authoritarians pretending to be sentient beings is not my idea of a good time. If it gets worse, I really will leave for good. I do support registration because I would like to hear the ideas that are out there. But I also don’t want to have to waste my time scrolling through hundreds of idiotic rantings, and I don’t understand why TP would want to pay for the bandwidth to transmit them (especially when they take out the hat and ask for donations).
January 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmthe black community keeps voting for you to hurt them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Jason – you are a friggin’ racist to equate the black community to illegal aliens. How do you sleep at night being such a hateful bigot?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmI have a feeling if congress does pass this and has enough to override a veto (quite a few republicans in congress are getting pissed too) and that Bush still sends the troops, we’ll see an impeachment soon.
He’s already abused his powers like his alcohol addiction… this’ll be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
I dare you to do it Bush, so I can see you be impeached, you sniveling asswipe.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAnd Jason, you have nothing insightful to say, just hollow words.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pm#63, bluestocking,
BY ALL MEANS, CHALLENGE BUSH’S SIGNING STATEMENTS IN THE SUPREME COURT!
THAT IS THE PURPOSE!
NO NEED FOR IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS, BRING YOUR CASE TO THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND!
DEMS DON’T, BECAUSE THEY KNOW BUSH IS RIGHT, AND THAT CONGRESS WOULD LOSE POWER THAT THEY USURPED.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pmJason, take off the mask.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:23 pmYou aren’t scaring anyone anymore.
Your “arguments” are pathetic attempts to bait us with wholly fabricated nonsense.
You know there’s no correlative data to back up any of your shite.
Therefore, there’s no reason for anyone to do anything but heap crap on you.
TO ALL,
Go ahead, try a paint me a racist, as I point out how you are hurting your own constituents, which works for me, because they are predominantly Democrats, NOT because of their race.
I didn’t compare the black community with Hispanic illegal immigrants, I stated that Hispanic illegal immigrants, which are predominantly Christian, conservative and very hard working (read Republican leaning), are displacing the black community (Democratic leaning) in political power.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:25 pmOnce again, you label my statements as “reading comprehension†problems, without backing up that statement.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
You’re right, she should have dinged you for a third-grade grammatical error. (there-their-they’re)
I pointed it out, but you somehow chose to ignore that and obstinately refused to correct your statement:
For one who claims to be an independently wealthy capitalist, your grammar inhales greatly.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:25 pmQuick! Urgent investment opportunity in SMI
StrawMen Int’l.
Hendler’s back and the outlook is up, up, up!
Comment by RUCerious — January 14, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
LOL
January 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmLast time I heaped crapped on Jason he ran off and cried to the administrators…When you call out his sh!t he goes all balistic…It should happen in just a few more posts…3…2…1..
January 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmJason,
This is the kind of people left on your side:
Subject: ARE YOU REALLY AN AMERICAN?
January 6, 2007
I know Pres. Bush is a good man and anyone that puts him down will gets theirs from God himself someday. If you believe you have any values left than buck up, support defending your country’s freedom-for yourself and for your family and children’s lives. Support this man that has so many “unpopular” decisions to make. He is given intel none of us would have any clue how to deal with, he knows what we truly need. Don’t let yourself be poisoned by these superficial media devils that cunningly sway so many minds to believe what they want. Be mindful of all those desiring to be public icons that say one thing and do another. Know them by their works and know them by their manner of speech against another. Take pride in being an American and stand up. Perfect or not we haven’t had a values based leader that can hold a candle to this man. If we are fortunate the next president will be half the man George W. Bush is.
Ogden, UT
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/comment/?id=20004&soapboxid=9221596&lvl=F
January 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pmActually, Congress can ignore Bush’s signing statements because the President cannot write the laws, only Congress can. Bush’s signing statements are nothing but ramblings from a lunatic.
I believe that there will be 21 Republican Senators up for re-election in 2008 (I think that is the number I heard). If Bush ignores Congress, everyone of these Senators that back Bush’s war will be extremely vulnerable to defeat in 2008. The voters will view them as obstructionists, just like the unpopular George W Bush.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pmTO ALL,
You are correct – there, their and they’re does give me trouble, but my meaning is still clear, and my grammar is no excuse to dodge potent arguments.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmJason claims to have attended an “Ivy League” school
Haaaahahahahhaaaaa
January 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmzoo-luv,
Again, you and unbee have no arguments, just slanders.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That was not a slander, it was advice.
This is just for you, Jason: SPEAKER PELOSI!!
:-D
January 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmOK, I’ll bite
January 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Hispanic illegal immigrants, which are predominantly Christian, conservative and very hard working (read Republican leaning),”
why would that matter, since they can’t vote.
Oh, and btw, please show your data backing up your claim that “displacing the black community (Democratic leaning) in political power.”
How the hell does that work, since they can’t vote. Moron.
Spudge
Karl Rove’s own Barbie Doll
That’s hysterical… I can’t stop laughing at that comment… oh the visuals that come to mind…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#78, dix,
When did I ever run off to the administrators? Only time that I have written to them, is when someone used my handle to post statements that I would never make. Otherwise, I’ve stayed in the thick of it throughout ….
January 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“potent” arguments?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pmJason, you’re shooting blanks dearie.
Again, you and unbee have no arguments, just slanders.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Wrong. You have no argument, and we have merely pointed it out.
You must first prove your claim before we can refute it. So far, you’re just standing on your soap boxing giving your two cents worth without any validation.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pm[...] Watch Video [...]
January 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pmComment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Zoo,
I personally like the sound of “good morning Madam President”
Music to my ears!!
January 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmJason – still waiting to hear your explanation as to why you are a racist.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmIt turns out that Bush was a heavy duty Risk player at Yale. You know, the board game of world domination:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011307D.shtml
“Junior was known as an extremely aggressive player in the venerable Parker Brothers board game, a brutal contest that requires bluster and bluffing as you invade countries, all the while betraying alliances. Notably, it’s almost impossible to win Risk and conquer the world if you start the game in the Middle East, because you’re surrounded by enemies.
His gamesmanship extended to sports – he loved going into overtime and demanding that points be played over because he wasn’t quite ready.
As Graydon Carter recollects in the new Vanity Fair, Gail Sheehy wrote an article for the magazine about W. that made this point: “Even if he loses, his friends say, he doesn’t lose. He’ll just change the score, or change the rules, or make his opponent play until he can beat him.”
W.’s best friend when he was a teenager in Houston, Doug Hannah, told Ms. Sheehy: “If you were playing basketball and you were playing to 11 and he was down, you went to 15.”
Good God …
January 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#83, zoo-luv,
Yes, finally having Pelosi foisted onto the public stage as the “face” of the Democratic party is a God-send for Reps, which is why she was hid prior to the 2006 elections, and it is presidential hopeful Hill’reh’s worst nightmare in this post-feminist world. Even now Barbara Boxer is calling Condi out on her status as “single with no kids” – gotta luv women.
In her first week, they caught Pelosi trying to deny the minimum wage increases to citizens of American Samoa working for Del Monte, because of her close ties to Del Monte in San Fransisco – only Bill / Monica were a greater image of Democratic narcissism, “we will do what we want, because it feels good”.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pmYou are correct – there, their and they’re does give me trouble, but my meaning is still clear, and my grammar is no excuse to dodge potent arguments.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
You can add Verb Conjugation to your list of troubles, dill-weed.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pmthis is america and we the people are the deciders-we have decided this rape scene is over
January 14th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBush is spitting in the faces of the entire membership of the Congress and is daring them to try to stop him, so he must be impeached with Cheney!
January 14th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI just sent a simple email to my Senators and Congressman:
I’ll let you know the responses, if TP doesn’t block me again.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pmGo ahead, try a paint me a racist,
You painted yourself with your own commenatry. Don’tlike the consequence of your actions? Then choose different actions to being with…What you said was racist. It equated black Americans to ILLEGAL aliens. How do you not get that that is racist as hell?
as I point out how you are hurting your own constituents, which works for me, because they are predominantly Democrats, NOT because of their race.
Works for you? So you’re not only freely racist, but you’re thrilled about how this works for you? Selfish pig.
I didn’t compare the black community with Hispanic illegal immigrants, I stated that Hispanic illegal immigrants, which are predominantly Christian, conservative and very hard working (read Republican leaning), are displacing the black community (Democratic leaning) in political power.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Yes, you did. And then you just did it again.
What you’re saying is that blacks are so unvalued to Corporate America (a neocon view by the way) that they can be replaced by people who are in this country illegally. That’s to call them worth less than a crinimal. It’s your logic Jason. The fact that several of us noticed it simultaneously is verification of your racism.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pm‘Prisoners Are Diplomats’
Iran is demanding the immediate release of five men held by US forces it says are diplomats.
The five were arrested on Thursday in the northern Iraqi town of Arbil.
The US military has accused them of links to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard group that provides weapons to Iraqi insurgents.
“Americans should immediately release the five Iranians and pay compensation for the damage they caused to our office in Arbil,” Mohammad Ali Hosseini said.
The men were “involved in consulate affairs,” he added.
Hosseini said the Iranian representative office where the five men worked issued visas.
“Their activities were legal and in the framework of law,” Hosseini said.
President Bush pledged on Wednesday to interrupt a “flow of support” to insurgents from Iran.
Tehran denies backing the insurgency and blames US troops for the violence and for stoking tensions between Iraq’s Shi’ite and Sunni Muslims.
“Americans want to radicalise the atmosphere in Iraq to justify their occupation, but we will act wisely,” Hosseini said.
seems this guy has a point
January 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmHow about if Congress impeaches the a**hole? How about then? What will the smirking a**hole do then?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmFrank Rich asks who this generation’s Barry Goldwater will be when it’s time for Bush to drop out in disgrace? Will it be John Warner or (snort) John McCain? My choice would be Lindsey Graham or the war’s biggest GOP critic, Chuck Hagel.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pm#93, spooge,
Catholic is Christian, whether you want to accept that or not. The Catholic church was the first Christian church, from which all others came through the Eastern and Northern scisms. As such, they are strongly against gay marriage, abortion, and all other moral stands that the Dems take.
Hispanics are increasing in political power, because everyone now sees that all those living in the US now will be given amnesty, sooner or later, and both parties are jockying to look like the ones most supportive of this process. Turn a blind eye if you want to, but the “leaders” of the black community jumped Hill’reh’s shit when she embraced Hispanics during their rallies last year.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmLast time I heaped crapped on Jason he ran off and cried to the administrators…
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
What happened?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmJason,
I know you have a prolem with women, but since I give you the minimal respect of using your name when I address you, please call me Zooey. Thanks.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:45 pmI personally like the sound of “good morning Madam Presidentâ€
Music to my ears!!
Comment by dixie blood
I could live with that!
January 14th, 2007 at 12:46 pmTherefore, there’s no reason for anyone to do anything but heap crap on you.
Comment by RUCerious
Exactly. He just throws around some hate-filled ranting about Dems, a touch of racist comments about blacks or latinos, the usual fear/war discourse on Muslims and, if he finds the time, a post of his twisted POV about women. Of course, he always do the macho act of threating posters to a fist fight if given the opportunity… In summary, I dont know how people here answers any of his provoking posts.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:46 pmmy grammar is no excuse to dodge potent arguments.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Except that you haven’t made any yet. You’re just spouted your opinions and then refused to validate them with proof or facts when asked. Until you do so, you are just a whack-a-troll.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:47 pm#99, bris,
I know you are dying for this fight, but Hill’reh and the Clintonistas do NOT. NO presidential hopeful wants a congress with the power to tie their hands, which would make their job next to impossible, should they be elected president.
Good luck taking on the Clintonistas – you lost in CT.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pmjason (dont forget the m)hendler- your bad grammer is every reason for you to rethink your philosophy
January 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pm#1..the Democrats are trying to get our government up and running and functioning at all levels as quickly as possible.
But robert trashes anything they do.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pmEven now Barbara Boxer is calling Condi out on her status as “single with no kids†– gotta luv women.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Racist and misogynistic. Can we guess what comes next?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pmBush set for climate change U-turn
Downing Street says that belated US recognition of global warming could lead to a post-Kyoto agreement on curbing emissions
George Bush is preparing to make a historic shift in his position on global warming when he makes his State of the Union speech later this month, say senior Downing Street officials.
NICE ONE DEMCRATS WELL DONE ,,,, MY HAT OF TO YOU MADAM
January 14th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Your meaning is not clear and you refuse to follow up with requested clarifications. You know nothing of Constitutional law.
But then, you support giving Bush full dictatorial powers. You also support the death of millions of innocent people through bombs and bullets, radioactive fallout, man-made chemicals and diseases. You will get your wish if we continue on the path Bush is set upon.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:54 pm#99, unbee,
Not even close, it is not what I want, it is what is happening, and I enjoy rubbing your noses in it. What I want is:
1) black community to be given school choice, so that they are not locked in a cycle of poverty that makes them dependent on Dems for hand-outs
2) black community to ratify free-enterprise zones, to bring in the capital required to rejuvenate inner-cities and other poor / blighted areas
3) black community to dump their current “leaders”, that tell them they can only survive with handouts, and embrace new leaders that teach them self-sufficiency
THAT is how you solve the economic crises in the black community, that is causing the high rates of crime, teenage pregnancy and out-of-wedlock child bearing / rearing, that is destroying the black community.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pmIn summary, I dont know how people here answers any of his provoking posts.
Comment by Juan C — January 14, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
Because our silence is seen as acquiescence of his opinions, and then he claims that he’s won the argument, when he never actually makes an argument to begin with…
He needs to be exposed as the empty vessle that simply rattles.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pmDubya Dunce Decider Despot Dictator > that is Bush’s real name!
January 14th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThe hearings this week featuring Condi Rice where just not what I hoped for. So here is a fictional Senator X to say to Condi what I wish had been said:
SENATOR X:
January 14th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
“If he wants to veto the bill, he won’t have any money” for the war, Murtha said at a forum of anti-war Democrats.
January 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pm5D – now that’s a big boob!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pmOh, little Juan has come out to play again, after running away when I called him out. He talks big, until contronted, then hides behind his mama’s skirt.
I am sure you liberal women would luv to bear his children, because he would seed you with only girls.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pmCongress, The Media, Democrats, Republicans – it’s all a phony show!
They’re all on the same side pushing for one world govt. Where you do what the govt. says or else!
Why hasn’t the Federal Reserve ever been audited? Don’t you want to know what they’re doing with your money? Show me one person in politics asking for an audit of the Federal Reserve? If Ron Paul gains too much popular support they will eradicate him. They’ll only allow politicians who do what they want.
In politics, you either do what the international bankers want or face the consequences.
This is all smoke and mirrors to keep your attention away from what they’re really doing. Wake up! Has it not occurred to you yet that whatever they say is a lie. If lying to the public benefits the govt. then they don’t see anything wrong with it.
Honestly, the President is irrelevant. Investigate the unseen hand that’s controlling the world!
Read The Naked Capitalist!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pmEven now Barbara Boxer is calling Condi out on her status as “single with no kids†– gotta luv women.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Not quite accurate. Boxer told Condi that she and Condi did not have a skin in this game and that they should not be so cavalier with someone else’s skin on the line.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI see that Bush has decided to not wear a tie for his press interview, so he should have just taken off all his clothes and grossed out the nation > lol.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:04 pmNot even close, it is not what I want, it is what is happening, and I enjoy rubbing your noses in it. What I want is:
Racist, misogynistic, and sadistic all in one thread. No wonder you can’t get a date, and then blame women…
That is what you inferred Jason. Perhaps you should try to consider the view point of those about whom you are speaking. Maybe then you will get it. But I’m not holding my breath.
1) black community to be given school choice, so that they are not locked in a cycle of poverty that makes them dependent on Dems for hand-outs
Again, you are classifying people solely based on their skin color. This is racist.
2) black community to ratify free-enterprise zones, to bring in the capital required to rejuvenate inner-cities and other poor / blighted areas
Again, you are classifying people solely based on their skin color. This is racist.
3) black community to dump their current “leadersâ€, that tell them they can only survive with handouts, and embrace new leaders that teach them self-sufficiency
Again, you are classifying people solely based on their skin color. This is racist.
THAT is how you solve the economic crises in the black community, that is causing the high rates of crime, teenage pregnancy and out-of-wedlock child bearing / rearing, that is destroying the black community.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Actually – if you just stop jugding them by their skin color they won’t have any barriers in the first place.
As long as you see and label them as the inferior “black community”, you resign them to be just that.
I have students in my Architecture classes who are black. The only true obsticle they face is people like you who define them by the color of their skin. Otherwise, they are just as intelligent and capable as any one else – regardless of skin color.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:04 pmobstacle
January 14th, 2007 at 1:05 pm#94-”In her first week, they caught Pelosi trying to deny the minimum wage increases to citizens of American Samoa working for Del Monte, because of her close ties to Del Monte in San Fransisco -”
From all I’ve read, Del Monte has contributed to Republicans in Pelosi’s district. They have not contributed to Pelosi.
Still, I’m not sure what the motivation was to deny the minimum wage to American Samoans.
Getting back to the most important topic: does anyone think there’s a relationship between the troop escalation and oil contracts? I do think companies like Chevron are asking for cover while they cross all the “i’s” and dot all the “t’s” in order to screw over the people of Iraq. After that’s done, I doubt that Bush–I mean, Cheney–cares about the future of Iraq. Oh, and I think many people who made a lot of money have to finish up and hide their war profiteering before the U.S. pulls out.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pm#122, johnny,
I would have agreed with the “one world order” as Europe began to unite, but now that the EU is falling apart, and the UN is completely ineffective, I no longer worry that is the case.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWow…just read through this thread. Jason (apparently, the current troll on duty) is doing his level best to derail the discussion (as usual).
Let’s try to get back on track, shall we?
For the last six years, this country has been hijacked by a cabal of unscrupulous thieves and murderers. They’ve done everything they could to shred our Constitution and neuter the Legislative and Judicial branches of our government while concentrating an unprecedented amount of power in the Executive branch, a ploy known as the Doctrine of the Unitary Executive…a bid to replace the Presidency of this country with a Kingship.
For the last six years, the Republican-controlled Congress has played its part as a willing accomplice to these criminal acts, rubber-stamping all of Chimpy’s demands, while demonstrating a shocking amount of neglect of their duty to provide oversight.
Now, thanks to the outrage of the American people, the Dems have control of both houses of Congress (although the control of the Senate is questionable, since Lie-berman claimed to intend to caucus with the Dems, but clearly intends to do the bidding of his Repub masters when it comes time to vote).
Add to this the outspoken opposition of many Repub senators, and you can see that it is clearly within the power of Congress to stop this misbegotten war. They have the numbers, and, contrary to what Chimpy and his cronies would have you believe, they have the authority, both moral and legal.
So, all that remains is for Congress to actually exert this authority and bring our troops home. The sixty-four-dollar question is: will they?
The members of Congress no longer have any excuse. They have the authority. They have the votes. And, they have an overwhelming mandate from the American people…the people they are supposed to be representing.
This is nothing less than a test of our very government itself. If the Dems finally put their foot down and stop this madness, by ending this war,and later by impeaching these criminals that have hijacked our government, we can continue, assured that it is still within the government’s power to heal itself. If, however, they fail to act, it will be all too clear that the sickness of authoritarianism and fascism have taken root far too deeply for our government to recover, and more drastic action will be necessary if we wish to save this country from the neocon terrorists, not to mention the rest of the world from us.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI am sure you liberal women would luv to bear his children, because he would seed you with only girls.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
This makes you an a$$hole on top of being a racist and misogynist.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:08 pmEven now Barbara Boxer is calling Condi out on her status as “single with no kids†– gotta luv women.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Not quite accurate. Boxer told Condi that she and Condi did not have a skin in this game and that they should not be so cavalier with someone else’s skin on the line.
Comment by Abby — January 14, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Excellent Abby. More proof that Jason’s reading comprehension skills are not yet up to third grade standards.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:09 pmJason > did you ever watch the movie “Demon Seed”? No female on here wants to have children with you.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:10 pm125, unbee,
You call yourself a schoolteacher?
I believe you meant to say “That is what you IMPLIED, Jason.” The speaker implies, the listener infers, and you left out the comma.
See, I can gleen understand, even when you fail to use proper grammar or words.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:11 pmwho wnts boys when they turn out like jason (dont forget the m) dickhead
January 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pmbut now that the EU is falling apart, and the UN is completely ineffective, I no longer worry that is the case.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Jason – either offer facts or go play with your X-Box. Seriously. You’re proving yourself to be immature as well. Is that really what you want? Even less credibility than you already have here?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pmwho wnts boys when they turn out like jason (dont forget the m) dickhead
January 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#74, spudge,
January 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pmLOL
#117 – Jay, add “Destroyer” to the list of names for the frat boy. Bush is certainly the Master of Incompetence.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAs I started reading the comment that began “You will also notice that the shirt is blue…”, I immediately thought, “I bet this is Spudge_Boy commenting.” Sure enough it was. Good post, Spudge. :-)
January 14th, 2007 at 1:16 pmYou call yourself a schoolteacher?
Actually, the State of Georgia does.
I believe you meant to say “That is what you IMPLIED, Jason.†The speaker implies, the listener infers, and you left out the comma.
Nope, I meant inferred.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
in·fer
Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -ferred, -fer·ring.
–verb (used with object)
1. to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice.
2. (of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to.
3. to guess; speculate; surmise.
4. to hint; imply; suggest.
–verb (used without object)
5. to draw a conclusion, as by reasoning.
See, I can gleen understand, even when you fail to use proper grammar or words.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Obviously not.
And you still haven’t given me any facts to support your opinions. Put up or shut up.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI am sure you liberal women would luv to bear his children, because he would seed you with only girls.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
So sad, so lonely, so impotent. Oh, but call me out anytime, Jason. I couldnt care less. It wont change the fact that you are 39 and still hugging your pillow.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:17 pmBriseadh na faire
January 14th, 2007 at 1:17 pmGlad to see your posts again.
Jason M. Hendler told me that anyone who disagrees with Jason M. Hendler’s “ideas” or tries to otherwise diss Jason M. Hendler is — unlike Jason M. Hendler — a communist.
Jason M. Hendler, on the other hand, is the still, unmoving axis of the universe: infallible, fair, and completely devoid of erectile dysfunction.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:18 pmSorry. I don’t watch the bastard anymore. He makes me sick.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:18 pm#135, unbee,
Again, what is your argument?
Turkiye’s acceptance into the EU has again been pushed off, as sentiment for their acceptance has now ebbed, and additional treaties to further centralize control of Europe have failed to be ratified by European countries, so the EU is starting to unravel.
The UN has failed to fight terrorism, nor stop the genocide in Rwanda and now the Sudan, so they are no longer effective.
What are your arguments to the contrary?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:18 pmLook – here’s the deal:
The biggest problem we face (a coup by a foreign power and treason within) cannot be openly discussed. The “special relationship” IS the problem. Dov Zakheim stole $7 trillion from the DOD and sent it to Israel. Want to know why Bush is unafraid of the supposed “power of the purse” and the threat by Congress not to fund his escalation? The money is not needed. They stole it in advance of 9/11 (witness Rumsfeld’s admission of $2.3 trillion missing on 9/10/2001). The entire campaign is ALREADY FUNDED.
Zakheim stole the money on behalf of the co-conspirators in the coup (the Bush Cabinet and Likud – in concert with The Crown). They looted the US Treasury IN ADVANCE OF 9/11.
They did it because it was all part of the master plan. Chaos in Iraq is PART OF THE PLAN. The funding for the escalation is NOT coming from any budget that Congress has ANY CONTROL OVER. The money was already sent to Israel in advance of PNAC’s “NEW PERLE HARBOR” and will now be tapped on an as needed basis – having lost the backing of the American people and congress.
This ALL planned for.
Ask Dov Zakheim about the $7 trillion.
He and Kobi Alexander (former CEO of Comverse) were co-conspirators in the implementation of 9/11. Zakheim’s “Sysplan” provided the fly-by-wire technology and Comverse / Ptech provided the software.
Why is Kobi Alexander (wanted on Federal Charges) under the cover of the Witness Protection Program in the United States?
Where is Kobi?
Where is Dov?
Expose That!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:20 pm#143, Glenn,
I never made such a statement, and never would. As the other posters on this site know, I am many things, but NOT so one dimensional in thought, as to blanket label all thoughts contrary to my own as communist. Nice try though.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmmidwestblue – I agree with you about securing the Iraqi oil for Chevron. After all, the Russians are preparing to take control of the oil industry within Russia so that will decrease revenues. Got make up the loss somewhere. Why not just steal from the Iraqis? The frat boy and the shooter need to protect their oil interests AT ALL COSTS.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmPost 138 Coffins > Ok > Dubya Dunce Decider Despot Dictator Destroyer.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#145, Jason M. Hendler: a somewhat lucid post, that does not accuse your argument-partner of being a communist! If you continue in this vein I may have to alter my opinion of Jason M. Hendler (who is assuredly not a communist).
I am neither a communist, nor am I Jason M. Hendler.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pmCoffinsDrapedWithFlags sez:
Again, I’m seeing a lot of people lambasting Chimpy & Company for their alleged ‘incompetence’.
Remember, folks, this administration is a lot of things…evil and criminal are a few adjectives that spring to mind, but they are not ‘incompetent’. Look at what they’ve accomplished in just six short years…the dismantlement of our Constitution, the concentration of an unprecedented amount of power in the Executive branch, a perpetual occupation of Iraq, enabling the United States to maintain a permanent military presence in the Middle East, and lately, the upping of the ante by attempting to drag Iran into the conflict.
If you are still duped by this administration and the MSM that continues to serve as their willing propaganda division, you might feel that this administration is incompetent, in that they have failed to accomplish their supposed goals of ‘fighting terrorism’, ‘keeping Americans safe’, and ‘bringing peace and democracy to Iraq’. However, if you’re alert enough to know this administration’s true motives, it’s easy to see that this administration is frighteningly competent.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pmGood Morning Madam President… music to my ears.
Good thoughts, dixieblood.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pmOh great. ace(hole) is back…
January 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pm#141, Juan,
Yes, by all means, cow-tow to women, say whatever they want to hear, and then you can hug something other than your pillow – is that your approach? It shows in your previous posts, but I hope you realize, that they will pat you on the head and say good boy, but they will never respect you as a man. They are aaaalllllll yours.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pmAgain, what is your argument?
That you haven’t madeone. Just spouted your twisted opinion and expected us to accept it as fact when it isn’t.
What’s yours?
Turkiye’s acceptance into the EU has again been pushed off, as sentiment for their acceptance has now ebbed, and additional treaties to further centralize control of Europe have failed to be ratified by European countries, so the EU is starting to unravel.
That’s what you are surmising. I would argue that the fact that the Euro is far stronger than the dollar is indication to the contrary.
Besides, what does this have to do with the subject of the thread?
Again, for those lacking reading comprehension. The thread is about Bush ignoring Congress’s authority as the Legislative Branch when it comes to war. Thjose are the facts that you still have not posted.
The UN has failed to fight terrorism, nor stop the genocide in Rwanda and now the Sudan, so they are no longer effective.
The UN? What does that have to do with Bush usurping the authority of Congress?
What are your arguments to the contrary?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
You still haven’t made any arguments Jason.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmOK, gotta get something to eat, and finish watching Broken Flowers. Bill Murray has been doing some very interesting films lately.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:27 pmAs the other posters on this site know, I am many things, but NOT so one dimensional in thought, as to blanket label all thoughts contrary to my own as communist.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Yes you are. Today alone, you’ve labeled all blacks as impoverished diwwits who can be fooled all of the time by politicians, women as something similar, and all liberals (yes, you do routinely catagorize us) as unpatriotic.
Does that refresh your equally one -dimenisional memory?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:29 pmJuan C and Wayne,
Thank you for recognizing that posting #34 is not me. The use of name-jacking as a tool to discredit people is occurring with increasing frequency around here (And not just with me. I have seen a good number of other name-jackings taking place lately)…Wayne, you say you recently saw “another post on another thread cliaming to be Exley that was so authoritarian in its ignoirance that I simply couldn’t believe it was the same Exley with whom I’ve managed to have reasonable discussion.” Do you recall which thread that was so I can e-mail TP and have them delete it?
And to prove THIS is the real Exley, Wayne: “Kranepool”
January 14th, 2007 at 1:30 pmUntil you do so, you are just a whack-a-troll.
Comment by unbelievable — January 14, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Priceless!!! Thanks, I will be laughing at this all day!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:30 pmProgs and Progettes – I KNOW this will be hard for you to swallow, but Senator Ted “Breast Stroke” Kennedy is NOT the Commander-in-Chief. No matter how much he wishes on a star, he is not now, nor will he EVER be, the President. I do think it’s interesting, and a sad commentary on the state of contemporary progressivism, that our enemies, the Koraninimals, cheer for your victory. They have rightly noted that a segment of our societies underbelly doesn’t have the will to defeat terrorists. And while our enemies appreciate your assistance, they don’t like you any more than they like people in my political camp. I suspect THAT fact bothers Progs most of all…….
GO Chargers!!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pmbut they will never respect you as a man. They are aaaalllllll yours.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
For of all, you do not speak for women. So, stop trying. We not only do respect Juan, a lot. But we do not respect you, a lot more.
Secondly, was that FINALLY an admission of your homosexuality?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:32 pmTripMaster – now that you put it that way, guess you can state that this administration is competent. I am not at all duped by this administration… I don’t believe that frat boy has enough intelligence to show any competence. The machinery behind him is in no way stupid. After all, he is just “the puppet” and it gets really scary when he starts speaking off the cuff and tries to think on his own.
We must stay forever vigilant if we want our to uphold our Constitution.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:32 pmOK, gotta get something to eat, and finish watching Broken Flowers. Bill Murray has been doing some very interesting films lately.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Not.
More likely the naked, little boy locked in his closet needs to be fed…and stroked ever so gently.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:32 pmOK, gotta get something to eat, and finish watching Broken Flowers. Bill Murray has been doing some very interesting films lately.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Yeah right….
January 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pmMeanwhile, in other news:
Pentagon, CIA check U.S. suspects’ bank records
The military and the CIA are now doing domestic spying. These are the same guys operating “black sites” around the globe, places to where people are abducted, imprisoned and tortured beyond the reach of any court.
And you thought the Military Commissions Act wouldn’t affect U.S. Citizens?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:34 pmJason M. Hendler, May I suggest you take a quick visit to here to see why we don’t believe that anyone is tugging any bovines to any place. I’ve seen you make this error a few times, and if you don’t like your spelling and grammar being picked apart, perhaps fewer egregious errors would help. Just a suggestion. (We all make typos, but when the “typos” are consistently incorrect spellings of a word, then it’s not a typo, it’s illiteracy. And I know you don’t want to be accused of that.) Peace.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:35 pmDo you recall which thread that was so I can e-mail TP and have them delete it?
Comment by Exley — January 14, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Good luck. My namejacker was still visible last time I checked that thread.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pmGO Chargers!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Are you talking to your vibrators?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pmVice President Dick Cheney asserted that lawmakers’ criticism will not influence Bush’s plans and he dismissed any effort to “run a war by committee.”
“The president is the commander in chief. He’s the one who has to make these tough decisions,” Cheney said.
…
“He’s the guy who’s got to decide how to use the force and where to deploy the force,” Cheney said. “And Congress obviously has to support the effort through the power of the purse. …”
January 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pmI KNOW this will be hard for you to swallow, but Senator Ted “Breast Stroke†Kennedy is NOT the Commander-in-Chief.
Considering that, according to Article I Section 8, it’s Congress, not the President, that sets the parameters within which the military can operate, Senator Kennedy is well within his powers to propose such legislation.
“Commander-in-Chief” does not mean that the military is the President’s personal mercenary army. Nor does it mean that he is above the law. It means merely that he sits atop the chain of command.
It’s no wonder that righties like mighty aphrodite are so enamored of the term “commander-in-chief” (while ignoring its actual constitutional meaning) – considering that they are naked totalitarians. Consider the title’s latin equivalent: imperator. They long for a dictator, and love Bush because he postures as one.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pmGreat post’s all except the usual troll’s….Not going to take up much room or time here today, going to get more email’s and letters ready for my representatives to read when they get back to work on Tuesday….It seem’s to me they have not quite got it yet, even though we made it perfectly clear last Nov….Perhap’s it is because there is so much to fix they are confused…..Let’s all make it very clear we want Impeachment and the end to the bush war’s..
Johnny, I have not read that book but will look for and read it as soon as possible…May I add, your’s is a very good post and yes many of us have had the same thought’s….Mine for some time has been that the money changer’s or Israel have been our biggest problem along with the rothchild’s and many name’s that are escaping me this morning…The old saying those that hold the gold hold the world come’s to mind and the fact that all the money is shifted underground between two bank’s and controlled by one power is the real scary truth…..
.As you all go about your day I send Blessings and will hope you will join me in working for Impeachment and stopping the bush war’s…..Don’t wast all your precious time on mindless parasitic troll’s….
January 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pmPriceless!!! Thanks, I will be laughing at this all day!
Comment by Jules — January 14, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Thanks, but I can’t take credit for the whack-a-troll term. I got it from someone on here. Definitely fits Jason though.
How are you?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#167, Unbelievable…Really? Maybe you should write TP again. I find they are usually pretty good at deleting name-jacked posts once they are made aware of such posts.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWhen are Barbara and Jenna heading off to Iraq?
They seem to have time to travel to Buenos Aires, Argentina, but not Iraq. Bueno!
DON’T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA!
LET’S CRY FOR THE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ.
John
January 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#158 Exley (the real one; identity confirmed through WAS Security Services), it was this comment:
Comment by Exley — January 14, 2007 @ 11:27 am
currently number 21 on the next thread down,
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/14/cheney-enormous-progress/#comments
January 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmAre you talking to your vibrators?
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
ROTFL!
Inanimate objects are the only audience he has…
January 14th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#123 – “Not quite accurate. Boxer told Condi that she and Condi did not have a skin in this game and that they should not be so cavalier with someone else’s skin on the line.” Comment by Abby
*******Abby, Thank you for the clarification. Please share with our audience the contribution to the Civil War of Robert Lincoln, 17 at the time the Civil War broke out. Perhaps President Lincoln had more skin in the game than Senator Babs or Condi……
Off to the game……GO Chargers!!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:45 pmMaybe you should write TP again. I find they are usually pretty good at deleting name-jacked posts once they are made aware of such posts.
Comment by Exley — January 14, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
I did twice – as well as others. Am giving them the weekend benefit of the doubt at the moment.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWhen are Barbara and Jenna heading off to Iraq?
Comment by John Gilpins — January 14, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
When there’s bars on every corner of Bagdad!
January 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmRep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat who oversees military funding, said he will propose tying congressional approval of war funds to shutting the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba. Other conditions he said he is considering include not extending troop deployments and giving soldiers and Marines more time to train between deployments.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHere is more on #146, Eye opener.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim
War is already funded all the way.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pm#123 – “Not quite accurate. Boxer told Condi that she and Condi did not have a skin in this game and that they should not be so cavalier with someone else’s skin on the line.†Comment by Abby
So, if you have no “skin in the game” you can not be cavalier about sending people to war. The same could be said about those that do NOT want to send people. With that said, unless you have “skin in the game” you should not say anything. Remember, the logic pendilum swings two directions.
Thanks for the logic lesson, Ms. Boxer
January 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#176…Thanks, Wayne….Looks like I need to write yet another mesage to ThinkProgress administration….*sigh* This is really getting tiresome. Say “hi” to Jane for me.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:53 pmMr. Hendler,
I see you are getting a capital smacking around here, deservedly so. Every single assertion you’ve made either a) has been debunked before b) is wrong, or c) flat-out deluded.
Someone consistent enough -like you- as to be consistently wrong is truly something to behold. The EU unraveling? Illegal immigrants with political clout? The war in Iraq is “easily” winnable? All points laughable. It is even more amusing to see you trying to pass off your (uneducated) opinions as facts.
Although you have company: Mitey Coprolite has matched your record of going from ignorance to idiocy in less than 2 posts.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pmIve seen Kerry. He said the repugs are turning Iraq into a drama.
Luckily afterwards some science show utilized the Philadelphia experiment for entertainment.
wiki
January 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pmRemember, the logic pendilum swings two directions.
Comment by rant_on — January 14, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Er, no it doesn’t.
And it’s “pendulum”.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:57 pmChavez and Iran unveil anti-US fund
On Monday, Ahmadinejad will take part in the swearing-in ceremony of Ecuador’s new president Rafael Correa, who has vowed to forge stronger ties with Venezuela and not to renew a lease for a US military air base on the country’s Pacific coast.
Oil agreement
The two presidents announced that they would make a joint effort to obtain new oil production cuts.
“Today we know that there is too much crude in the market, that’s why we support … the decisions that have been taken to reduce production and protect the price of oil,” Chavez said.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:01 pmOT, but important news:
Federal Way schools restrict Gore film
‘Inconvenient Truth’ called too controversial
This week in Federal Way schools, it got a lot more inconvenient to show one of the top-grossing documentaries in U.S. history, the global-warming alert “An Inconvenient Truth.”
After a parent who supports the teaching of creationism and opposes sex education complained about the film, the Federal Way School Board on Tuesday placed what it labeled a moratorium on showing the film. The movie consists largely of a computer presentation by former Vice President Al Gore recounting scientists’ findings.
“Condoms don’t belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He’s not a schoolteacher,” said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who also said that he believes the Earth is 14,000 years old. “The information that’s being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. … The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn’t in the DVD.”
Hardison’s e-mail to the School Board prompted board member David Larson to propose the moratorium Tuesday night.
“Somebody could say you’re killing free speech, and my retort to them would be we’re encouraging free speech,” said Larson, a lawyer. “The beauty of our society is we allow debate.”
School Board members adopted a three-point policy that says teachers who want to show the movie must ensure that a “credible, legitimate opposing view will be presented,” that they must get the OK of the principal and the superintendent, and that any teachers who have shown the film must now present an “opposing view.”
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/299253_inconvenient11.html
January 14th, 2007 at 2:01 pm#9 Bush badly needs to be spanked, and if this Congress does that, they will have honored the vote of thepeopleon November 7th. If not, they should be prepared to find new jobs in 2009.
Or the people take to the streets and fuel revolution. What are citizens supposed to do when their president and congressional representatives igonore their will as explicitly manifested in a recent election ? What is the alternative in a democracy such as ours?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pmUnbelievable, you forgot to put this in bold:
“The information that’s being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. … The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn’t in the DVD.â€
January 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pmPerhaps President Lincoln had more skin in the game than Senator Babs or Condi……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
The American civil war was not a war of choice. Abraham Lincoln was looking for ways to end the war, not prolong it. He looked for efficient commanders and listened to their advice, instead of discarding them. His decisions facing the Confederacy were largely sound, and not a long string of errors and miscalcualtions.
There is a reason why he, along with Washington and FDR, ranks among the best presidents in US history, ever.
What was your point again?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhat is the alternative in a democracy such as ours?
Comment by Jason Baddo — January 14, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Election is supposed to be the alternative. Beyond that, I don’t know. Violence is the usual suspect. As JFK said:
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I realize the premise to that law is motion in Physics, but considering we are Physical beings in motion, I think it is apt. The opposite reaction to force is resistance. Bush shouldn’t be surprised that with his tremendous force, he’s getting so much resistance. But when does reality ever influence him anyway?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThanks, but I can’t take credit for the whack-a-troll term. I got it from someone on here. Definitely fits Jason though.
How are you?
Comment by unbelievable — January 14, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Good. Things are finally getting back to normal around here. We finally sent my daughters college apps. She wrote a kick ass essay, has good grades, did well on the SATs, now just awaiting results. She is doing great. She finally visited her friends gravesite last week and she said it was very healing. My nephew is doing awesome and will be going home at the end of the month.
Now if we could just get rid of George, John and Joe my life would be close to perfect!!!
How is Georgia treating you?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:14 pmWayne, You made a statement early on this link about a post by Exley. How could any comment or statement by Exley be “too authoritarian in its ignorance?” He’s had his fun polluting our conversations about the two most serious issues of our time–Bush’s fiasco in Iraq and global warming. He is authoritarian and he is ignorant.
Back to the crucial issue here. Bush will go on 60 Minutes, stuttering and stammering, to say he will do whatever he wants regardless of the actions of our Congress. This is real trouble, folks. Be ready for a Constitutional crisis.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#182 Comment by rant_on — January 14, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
What is it about not being “cavalier with someone else’s skin†that you don’t get? I don’t see any “logic pendulum” here.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pm“The information that’s being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. … The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn’t in the DVD.â€
Comment by Nat — January 14, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
You’re right…
Living in the Bible Belt, my guess is that they truly do not get that the majority of the world (70%) does not hold the Bible as an authority. They never leave their own little communities to understand that there is more than just their view of the world.
I wish the Democrats will grow the spine to say “Look, we respect that you have the right to your beliefs – but you need to respect the right that others have the right to reject them.” This is one of the biggest problems we have in our society. The fact that the “moral majority” feels oppressed that they cannot force their way onto others.
I finally told many of my new co-workers that I am an Atheist. You know what? Now, there are several more people in this red state who know that we are just normal people who do not go around harming others for the fun of it. If anything, my being a vegan shows that I have a higher regard for all life.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pmAbby sez:
He’s trying to be clever, Abby (and failing abjectly).
BTW, you misquoted him. He distinctly referred to the logic ‘pendilum’, not the logic ‘pendulum’.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pmMark Wilde,
Perhaps I should have said “more authoritarian than we’ve come to expect from him”. If you read the post itself, I think you would agree that it was obviously not the same Exley.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmGood. Things are finally getting back to normal around here. We finally sent my daughters college apps. She wrote a kick ass essay, has good grades, did well on the SATs, now just awaiting results. She is doing great. She finally visited her friends gravesite last week and she said it was very healing. My nephew is doing awesome and will be going home at the end of the month.
Glad to hear the good news. Isn’t the human ability to rebound simply amazing? Hopefully you’ll get a break from the tougher stuff for a while now :) Did your daughter applied to some blue state colleges as well?
Now if we could just get rid of George, John and Joe my life would be close to perfect!!!
Only if… :D
How is Georgia treating you?
Comment by Jules — January 14, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
The school system is trying to work me to death, but I just focus on the students and and it some how just makes it all easier. One of my cousins works in NJ and I was shocked at how differently they are treated there. No timeclocks, needless to say… :)
January 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWe have a mad-man dictator in the USA.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pmUnbe-
She wanted to apply to colleges in Boston and San Francisco, but the tuition would have been a stretch. The room and board would have been impossible. She is thinking of applying when she applies to medical school. She said as soon as she graduates college she will never live in Texas again.
Smart kid!!
January 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmGreat post’s Unbelievable….As alway’s….Blessings
January 14th, 2007 at 2:30 pmUSA sez:
That’s exactly what this administration wants you to think, USA. These butchers that have hijacked our government are not insane, and they are not incompetent. They are evil, pure and simple.
Chimpy himself may be mentally deficient, either by birth or due to the vast amounts of pharmaceuticals he’s ingested (and snorted) through the years, but who here still actually believes he’s running the show?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmMaybe the necons should come up with alternatives to the theories of math, gravity and music. I mean, why are they stopping at the biological and geophysical sciences? I mean really – shouldn’t they have their own system for mathematics? After all, it is just a theory… And they don’t do theories…
January 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
LOL.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:33 pmShe said as soon as she graduates college she will never live in Texas again.
I’ve heard that Austin is a liberal paradise amid all the red there… Hopefully that’s an option.
Smart kid!!
Comment by Jules — January 14, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
No doubt… Look at her mother :D
January 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmSo my national security team, military commanders, and diplomats conducted a comprehensive review. We consulted members of Congress from both parties, our allies abroad, and distinguished outside experts. We benefitted from the thoughtful recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel led by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Congressman Lee Hamilton. – Bush, 1-10-07
“Members of Congress have a right to express their views, and express them forcefully,” Bush said. “But those who refuse to give this plan a chance to work have an obligation to offer an alternative that has a better chance for success. ” Bush, 1-14-07
In other words, Bush has already heard from both parties in Congress, and the Generals, and the bi-partisan study group; rejected them outright and decided that the advice from the War Profiteers stands the best chance of success.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmunbelieveable sez:
Well, Rove made reference to ‘the math’ before last November’s elections, but that didn’t work out as well for him as he had hoped.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGreat post’s Unbelievable….As alway’s….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox — January 14, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Why thank you. How are you doing?
January 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pmShock and oil: Iraq’s billions & the White House connection
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.independent.co.uk%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Farticle2152438.ece
January 14th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“Maybe the necons should come up with alternatives to the theories of math…”
“2+2=5″
Orwell, 1984
January 14th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThe only question that remains is:
January 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
157. mighty aphrodite,
When you talk about the will to defeat the terrorists are you trying to talk about all the Iraq civilians in the civil war? Why don’t you just stick to meaningless football watching. The progs you enjoy hating have been watching the news for the last 4 years.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:39 pmBriseadh na Faire sez:
He’s decided upon the advice from the War Profiteers, all right, but not because it stands the best chance of success. Remember, Chimpy and his cohorts don’t want victory in Iraq, any more than they want defeat. What they do want is perpetual stalemate, justifying their continued illegal occupation and permanent military presence in the Middle East (a key tenet of the PNAC).
January 14th, 2007 at 2:39 pmwho here still actually believes he’s running the show?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Bush is definitely a hand puppet.
In ‘Propaganda and the Public Mind’, Noam Chomsky says that the ‘madman’ syndrome is exactly what the US government is trying to portray (as in “don’t mess with the foaming at the mouth crazy guys”),so that they will be feared (which we all know by now is exactly their operating system).
A religious zealot without a high school senior’s grasp of diction surely conveys the message of one who is ‘mad’. He’s the perfect hand puppet.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:40 pmWell, it’s time for me to sit down to Sunday dinner with the in-laws. Trolls, you’ll be able to act unopposed by me for about an hour or so. I recommend you make the most of your time. ^_^
January 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWell, Rove made reference to ‘the math’ before last November’s elections, but that didn’t work out as well for him as he had hoped.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
I’d forgotten about that… I’d love to know what he meant. You know it would be hilarious. Just like the “Intelligent Design” of the human appendix, et al.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — January 14, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
This is why IMPEACHMENT is the only answer now…I had hoped that somehow things might change after Nov. 7.
GW Botch is a puppet of an evil cabal of oil barons and bankers that raided Iraq to steal the oil and RAID the BANKS.
Where is Saddam’s money now that he’s been hanged? Where’s the money from the old Iraqi governments international bank accounts? Follow the money!! Not just the oil…
January 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pmTripMaster,
I agree. They don’t want defeat but they don’t want victory, either. They want us in an endless state of war so that this president can claim powers only granted to the executive during war time. Once the war ends, so do many of his powers.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“Hasbara is specifically designed to promote the Likud’s goals – not advance the truth:
Nathan Guttman has characterized hasbara as “pro-Israel propaganda, ” while Avi Hyman has said “while propaganda strives to highlight the positive aspects of one side of a conflict, hasbara seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
One or two people can use the Megaphone software program to launch an e-mail barrage against a site owner demanding that certain posters be banned, lest the owner/operator be branded an “anti-Semite” or hate monger by the media machinery of the Zionists.
Their tactics are brutal, and their results are proven. Hundreds of Free Speech Advocates have been banned from dozens of message boards for the simple “crime” of daring to question the influence of Israel in US policies, and for revealing the proven espionage by this foreign power within our borders, to our detriment.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:51 pmwhen will the people march?
Comment by Juan C — January 14, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
I was in St.Petersburg (Russia) in 1998 when the ruble crashed and there were people living in the streets. they printed an English version of The St.Petersburg Times in which someone wrong a very eloquent article on the comparison between the 1917 Revolution and current economic times.
Basically, it showed that people will not revolt until enough of them are dying in public.
It’s sort of happening now with the Iraqi Occupation. Enough people are attending funerals of 18-30 year olds who are being killed in the war,and they are protesting. The media just isn’t covering it, because ‘the revolution will not be televised’.
After the Presidential Address, Suzanne Malveaux on CNN was nearly drowned out by the “Stop the War” chanting at the White House. They never showed the protestors, and just casually referenced them at all. It’s hard to gain momentum when the anti-establishment efforts are being kept in the closet.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:51 pmIf congress doesn’t start impeachment proceedings immediately they will be accepting a dictatorship.
Conservative who support this failed small man and the cult that covers for him now are as big a traitors to this nation as Bush has proven to be.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWhat they do want is perpetual stalemate, justifying their continued illegal occupation and permanent military presence in the Middle East (a key tenet of the PNAC).
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Exactly! It’s what they think they have as leverage to wipe their feet on the Constitution. They do yell “War on Terra!” and “Over there or over here!” every time we question their actions and their motives…
January 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI never made such a statement, and never would. As the other posters on this site know, I am many things, but NOT so one dimensional in thought, as to blanket label all thoughts contrary to my own as communist. Nice try though. Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I hope Hendler hasn’t left yet. I wanted to rub his nose in this, taken from yesterday’s thread about Medicare:
Make up your mind, is the government by, of and for the people, or are they a bunch of industry insiders? or are they packed with communists who want to redistribute wealth from those who know how to create it to those who only consume it?
I deferred to your statement on trial lawyers as probably true, so get over yourself. How does that justify having the government set prices in a market, which is a hallmark of only TWO forms of government:
fascism and communism
Jason will pull the “communist” phrase out of his hat whenever he’s not doing well in a debate.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:57 pmHe also apparently doesn’t know the government already does this — with utilities, and cable TV providers.
The revolution will not be televised.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#223, barfly,
You’ve proven my point, price setting is the hallmark of TWO different forms of government – fascism and communism (NOT just communism), so I haven’t blanket labeled every liberal as just communists.
Every person who is pushing for the government, who regulates the pharmaceutical industry, to also SET PRICES, they are espousing a fascist / communist policy – nothing to argue there. If you don’t understand, then just read “The Book of Isms” 11th edition, that properly defines the various forms of governments.
Eat shit, barfly.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:10 pm#160, dix,
Are you making fun of molesters and their victims? Doesn’t get much more insensative than that ….
January 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHendler,
I tried to tell you this on another thread. NEGOTIATING is not SETTING PRICES. A negotiation is, by definition, a two-way agreement. Setting prices is, by definition, not. When are you going to learn the difference?
And why do you believe that protecting pharmaceutical profits is more important than protecting peoples’ lives?
January 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pmBush’s plan for Iraq is just too stupid. What is the real plan?
Even Republicans who are for it admit that the “tried and failed” plan of surging with only 20,000 troops represents a desperate attempt that is likely to fail. It’s obviously a just plain terrible plan. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16583889/ Bush knows this. He is hiding his real plan, which is really scary given how bad he has been as our Commander in Chief these days.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/14/144743/617
January 14th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWhat GW represents is the oligarchs spitting in our faces. They disrespect us (hate us) so much, that they’re letting this useful idiot rule us. They’re telling us that we have so little power to do anything at this point that we’ll have this idiot rule you. Even with the idiot ruling us we cannot do anything!
The oligarchy laughs their ass off every time GW is presented to us as our leader!
He is their little joke on us!
January 14th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#223, barfly,
Provide the complete example of how the government sets prices for the utility and cable industries. I understand where they provide formulas for those things, that are based on cost models, but they don’t set actual prices. Once such formula caused one utility to buy gold plated components, because it added to the cost side of the formula and allowed them to charge higher prices, but I’ve never seen them set prices directly.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pmPeace is not an option when your goal is global domination. Territory can only be acquired, and citizens can only be brought under control, through perpetual war and fear mongering.
Remember all of the unprecedented meeting between Greenspan and The Vice President? Greenspan took the effective lending rate to zero in order to entrap and enslave the vast majority of Americans, who are no so underwater in mortgage and other adjustable rate debt that the banksters OWN THEIR ASSES. Once you realize that the tip of the pyramid is the banksters, and that they will use their leverage over the people to enslave them, the rest falls into place.
You need to think not just like a criminal, but like a mad man with unlimited power to dominate the globe. Only then can you even begin to comprehend the long term plan.
Literally nothing you are being told by the government or the media is true. Assume the opposite of EVERYTHING you are told.
Name the last time Bush or Cheney told the truth.
Do you know about this Civilian Labor Prison Camp?
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=297
Note that in the DHS “Swift Luck Greens†photos, the mine facility is known as the “East Annexâ€
This implies that the main facility is further west of this location.
It’s located at these coordinates:
Latitude: 41.92
Longitude: -106.521944
Read the wording on the photos and note that entire families will be housed there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program
Wikipedia:
Civilian Inmate Labor Program -
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 1997 and went under a “rapid act revision” in January 2005, provides policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Prison camps
The regulation also sets forth policy for the creation of prison camps on Army installations. These would be used to keep inmates of the labor programs resident on the installations.
In January 2006, Kellogg, Brown and Root reported that they had received a contract from the Department of Homeland Security to expand ICE DRO facilities “in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”[3] A February news article comments that the “new programs” mentioned could include the Civilian Inmate Labour Program.[4] ICE has “joint federal facilities” with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.[5]
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936
Bush’s Mysterious ‘New Programs’
Read this guy’s take:
http://tinyurl.com/y48vxo
Are you sufficiently frightened?
January 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIRAQI militants are taking most of the $US1.5 billion ($1.92 billion) a year that’s stolen from Iraq’s main oil refinery through smuggling and corruption, the government told parliament today.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#229, Wayne,
You can label it a negotiation if you want to, but if the regulating body is also “negotiating” the price, then that is PRICE SETTING, because the regulating body holds all the cards and can EXTORT whatever price they want. Pharmaceutical companies can then only respond by NOT producing those products that cause them to LOSE money, causing SHORTAGES, which is why so many SHORTAGES occurred in the former SOVIET UNION. Communism / fascism does NOT work, and since market forces have led to cost UNDER runs in the current program, there is NO NEED to interfere in the current system.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pmCIA
At least four of those named to the 9/11 Commission and staff have links to the intelligence apparatus.
Several years ago, Zgibniew Brzezinski talked about Operation Cyclone, which he initiated in 1979 at the end of Jimmy Carter’s presidential term. The CIA helped foster Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan to destabilize the region because of the Soviet Union — and oil.
The program continued throughout the 1980’s when G.W. H. Bush was vice president and CIA assets like bin Laden and Saddam Hussein directly or indirectly carried out U.S. covert activities and shadow government policies.
Council on Foreign Relations
Half of those named to the Commission — Kissinger, Mitchell, Kean, Hamilton, Lehman, and Gorelick — are members of the CFR. Rice was on the nominating committee in 1991.
As part of the shadow government, the Council has influenced national security policy so that its titular head has profited in arms and oil.
Since 1950, the Council on Foreign Relations has been David Rockefeller’s child. The CFR serves the interests of Rockefeller’s global empire of oil and financial interests (Exxon, Chase Manhattan Bank, JP Morgan Chase).
While the Council has 2,000 to 3,000 members — movers and shakers in politics, media, and corporate board rooms, the Historical Rosters of Directors and Officers show key CFR players are key players on the global scene: Allen W. Dulles, the first CIA director, was a primary CFR participant from 1927 to 1969; William (McGeorge) Bundy, National Security Advisor in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations and an architect of the Vietnam War, was editor of the Council’s publication, Foreign Affairs, from 1972 to 1984. Others notables include Averill Harriman; Brzezinski; George H.W. Bush; Kissinger; Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, and Dick Cheney.
Photos from the CFR 1991 annual report near the end of the first Bush administration portray a snapshot of the Council near the end of the first Bush administration. David Rockefeller’s picture is prominent throughout the report. Photographs include Cheney in Paris, October 1990; the President of Mexico and David Rockefeller, and Cyrus Vance with the Security General of the U.N. and David Rockefeller. That 1991 meeting was prescient looking at the Gulf and the Future of the U.N.
Another photo is of Ahmed Chalabi, founder and former chair of Petra Bank, at a March 1991 round table discussion on the topic For Democracy in Iraq. He gave the current Bush administration misleading and fabricated information before the U.S. invaded Iraq last year.
http://www.communitycurrency.org/joycelynn.html
January 14th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBack to Bush and his plans to do an end run around Congress on the Iraq War escalation. We have reports that Bush & Co. will attack Iran (see link on #225). Not scared yet?
See the story by Michael Isikoff in Newsweek about the INCREASED threat of a terrorist attack against the US, because of the Iraq War. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16609997/site/newsweek/
So much for all the hype, spin, and bs from Bush and Cheney that “we are fighting them there so they don’t fight us here. These Neo-cons are dangerous and we are all in big trouble.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBoth of these are Brief – important viewing
David Rockefeller – American Traitor:
Founder of Council On Foreign Relations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ensmPJm5B5A&NR
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
January 14th, 2007 at 3:20 pmSee the story by Michael Isikoff in Newsweek about the INCREASED threat of a terrorist attack against the US, because of the Iraq War. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16609997/site/newsweek/
So much for all the hype, spin, and bs from Bush and Cheney that “we are fighting them there so they don’t fight us here. These Neo-cons are dangerous and we are all in big trouble.
Comment by Mark Wilde — January 14, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Isikoff is carrying water for the CIA – conditioning us to prepare for the NEXT FALSE FLAG ATTACK – and telling us who we should perceive to be responsible when it comes.
Israel and the CIA will be the ones carrying out the false flag attack against US interests in order to frighten the sheeple into following the leader, just like 9/11.
If the entire country put their full effort into revealing the truth of 9/11 – we would be subject to another FALSE FLAG attack.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#160, dix,
Are you making fun of molesters and their victims? Doesn’t get much more insensative than that ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
No I’m stating that you are a probable child molester like all the other Repugnicans on earth!! Flame on that A$$WIPE!!
Do you have proof that you’re not child molester. I thought so. So, STFU!!!
BTW, you are adopted. Can you prove otherwise? I doubt it! Your birth certificate is forged. Prove it ain’t!! You can’t!! I win!!
January 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHendler,
Your response was drivel, and you seemed to be proving the point to me that you are more concerned about protecting the profits of the pharmaceutical companies than you are with protecting the health of the people.
You say that when the regulating body “negotiates”, that they force the companies to accept the pricing they want. Again, this contradicts the idea that negotiating is a two-way street. Your argument makes no sense if you’re going to redefine the terms you use.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pmWith all due respect.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:27 pmMr. Rush will go to war with Iran no matter what.
Any moment now our screens will show ‘Error 404 – Webpage not found’. Executive orders will be instated and the all so freedom loving country of ours will be history. You got a problem with that? share your thoughts with the other folks in the concentration camps. If you have time to think. Because most likely you will be forced to manufacture some stuff that will be no longer imported because nobody will do business with the US anymore. And that’s a positive outlook. The negative outlook is WWIII against the US. Duck and cover. Oh, and if you forgot what will happen, run into the video store and get the movie ‘The Day After’. It’s not up to date in weapons technology but close enough.
MC CAIN:
In an interview with Chris Matthews, John McCain was pressed to explain just where another 100,000 troops are supposed to come from for Iraq:
“I don’t think we need to think of the draft again because I don’t think it makes sense in a whole variety of ways. But I guarantee you, if these young people felt that this nation was in a crisis and we asked them to serve, virtually every one of them would stand up because I have the greatest confidence in the young people of America.”
(Transcript at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15330717/)
See the connection? Both of these men are tipping their hand to a pending “CRISIS†that will solve both the recruitment problem and win the election for Republicans.
JOHN MC CAIN – YOU’VE GOT FOREKNOWLEDGE OF A PENDING ATTACK. EXPOSE IT TO PREVENT IT – OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Is THIS the pending CRISIS?
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/104451
Here is the DRESS REHEARSAL for the sinking of the USS Enterprise:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-17-ship-reef_x.htm
You are being CONDITIONED to respond by insisting on a draft to protect yourself from yet another attack. The terrorists are ON THE INSIDE.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHave you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes
Kevin Barrett
As a PhD in Islamic and Arabic Studies, I hate to say this, but I’ll say it anyway. The events of 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror itself is as phony as the latest “Bin Laden tape.â€
Compare the nose of the actor in the video tape with that of Bin Laden:
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml
This is NOT BIN LADEN.
Repeat this information often.
LOOK AT THE VIDEO – IT’S FAKE.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:29 pmace – I cannot agree more. Everyone who doesn’t agree really needs to google ‘false flag attacks’ and educate themselves.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pmMoreover, if the pharmaceutical industry fails, NO ONE is helped, but liberals will have achieved their goal of EVERYONE BEING EQUALLY POORLY SERVED.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:35 pmSeems that Bush and company failed to get the message sent to them by the voters in November. It’s time, I believe, to send another message. Time to impeach the lot of them!
January 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pmCan this SOB be any more brazen????
Damn.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHow much longer are our troops going to put up with this madness? Now the plan is to embed outr troops with IraqIs?????
January 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pmDuring the Vietnam war, our troops began to “bulk” and this helped bring an end to that madness. Is this what it is going to take? And won’t that also trash our national security? How much worse are things going to get with those morons in office?
In our constitution, it states that the Congress shall not pass laws which contradict the powers delegated to the three branches of government, so there actions show a startling lack of understanding of their own government.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 11:39 am
There’s the pot calling the kettle black. Have you actually read the Constitution?!? Seriously, why don’t you sit down for a few minutes and actually READ IT.
First of all, here is what the Constitution says about the powers of the President regarding the of military:
That is IT. He gets to be the Commander in Chief. In other words he gets to be the actual leader, militarily, of the Army and Navy. Again, that is IT.
And here is the power Congress possesses:
So, in plain English, once Congress has approved the theater of war (by declaring war), has established the rules of engagement, and military structure, and appropriations alloted to the war effort, the President gets to lead the troops himself…provided he follows all of the rules that Congress has given him regarding that particular war. That is all he gets. There is no doubt, no vagueness in the wording in the Constitution whatsoever. None.
What’s more, every two years it all has to come under review in Congress and reapproved.
Finally, there has been no Declaration of War. An AUMF is not a Declaration of War. Only a Declaration of War is a Declaration of War. Again, it’s not vague, it’s not ambiguous, it is strictly and wholly laid out for all to see.
Congress needs to get off of its lazy ass and follow the guidelines the Framers gave us. All of these AUMF-type of wars we’ve fought since WWII have been carried out in an unconstitutional manner. If Congress would ever push back, and send all of this shitty legislation to the Supreme Court, it would be officially declared unconstitutional. We desperately need a Congress willing to do so. As it is, we are fully embedded in a constitutional crisis over this matter, and have been since the Executive began asserting this kind of illegal authority.
Seriously, you are talking out of your ass. Then again, that’s nothing new from you, since you and have quite obviously been, for quite some time, a complete and utter troll with little to know working knowledge of…well…just about any subject I’ve ever seen you post about.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#250, Moderation,
I posed the question earlier, How does congress undeclare war? Usually by treaty, right? If they refuse MORE funding, then they must have a treaty with the terrorists, or have they surrendered?
January 14th, 2007 at 3:51 pmCongress needs to get off of its lazy ass and follow the guidelines the Framers gave us. All of these AUMF-type of wars we’ve fought since WWII have been carried out in an unconstitutional manner. If Congress would ever push back, and send all of this shitty legislation to the Supreme Court, it would be officially declared unconstitutional. We desperately need a Congress willing to do so. As it is, we are fully embedded in a constitutional crisis over this matter, and have been since the Executive began asserting this kind of illegal authority.
Comment by Moderation — January 14, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
This needs to be repeated and repeated again:
Congress needs to get off of its lazy ass and follow the guidelines the Framers gave us. All of these AUMF-type of wars we’ve fought since WWII have been carried out in an unconstitutional manner. If Congress would ever push back, and send all of this shitty legislation to the Supreme Court, it would be officially declared unconstitutional. We desperately need a Congress willing to do so. As it is, we are fully embedded in a constitutional crisis over this matter, and have been since the Executive began asserting this kind of illegal authority.
Thank you Moderation!!
January 14th, 2007 at 3:52 pmMy post was deleted, probably for profanity, so let me repost without the profanity.
There is NO 2-WAY street if the regulating body is negotiating, because they can apply pressure through their ability to draft regulations favorable / unfavorable to that industry.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:54 pmbut liberals will have achieved their goal of EVERYONE BEING EQUALLY POORLY SERVED.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Yeah, thats why it is important to let pharma companies to make even more money, as if they were not profiteering, out of poor people´s pockets. Poor thing, you talk like you were a CEO when you are no more than an employee. Intellectually poor people always get hypnotized by the shimmering of money.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAnd my reply to you never posted because I quoted the profanity you hurled to me personally. Here is the “clean” part.
I see your problem, Hendler. You don’t think that people negotiate in good faith. You assume that everyone who negotiates is trying to screw over the other guy totally, and not to reach a mutually acceptable agreement that benefits both parties. This tells everyone a good deal about your personality. It signals that you cannot be trusted to negotiate anything in good faith.
Call someone’s argument anything you want if you think the argument stinks, but calling someone a “stupid f$%k” does not make your point any more valid.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWhy did you ignore the most important point of my post, hmm? Let me reiterate it, and perhaps you’ll respond to it this time: Congress did not make a Declaration of War. If they had, yes, a Treaty would be required to rescind said Declaration.
All they did was give the Executive the authority to use military force. Not carte blanche to do as he pleases militarily. So yes, as a matter of fact, Congress can, in fact, just tell the Executive, “We no longer give you the authority to use military force. Cease and desist or be found in contempt of Congress.” Just like that.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:07 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
Apparently, you didn’t read Moderation’s post all that closely, Jason, else you would have noticed the little part where he mentioned that Congress hasn’t declared war in the first place.
Well, this sentence is stupid on many levels.
First of all, as mentioned earlier, war has not been declared. Therefore, the ‘treaty’ bit makes no sense at all.
Second, Jason attempts to squirrel in the word ‘terrorists’ in a rather transparent attempt to reference 9/11 and stab a few fear/hate buttons. Sorry, Jason, but Chimpy wore out those buttons with his frivolous ‘Terror Alerts’ a few years ago.
Third, we’re once again offered a false choice…one of the neocons’ favorite tactics. “Either we have a treaty with the terrorists, or we’ve surrendered.” Another blatant attempt to push buttons…this time, it’s the patriotism/national pride buttons. Again, those buttons have been worn out by the Chimp-in-Chief, Jason…sorry.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmMy post was deleted, probably for profanity, so let me repost without the profanity.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Maybe it was for just, uh, let’s see, you stupidity which leads to your profanity? And your stupid racism!! Or, uh, you’re a mean-a$$ drunk who ends every blog session here by going ballistic? And then you sh!t the bed and run!!
You aren’t just stupid you are Bush stupid!! Bush stupid is stupid beyond the pale, like you know GW Botch the biggest loser president ever!!!
I predicted as much several hours ago…Loser!!
January 14th, 2007 at 4:13 pmUnbelievable and all, great post’s..Delete the all and add except the troll’s like jason who hate democrat’s and by his own posting several month’s ago said he wanted to distroy all democrat’s…..I’m here you little chicken shit, just try, any time…LOL…Someone else said are you afraid yet.?….No I am not afraid….I look out for myself, I am however afraid for my country and going to do all I can to help set it free from this terrible corruption from with in our administration…No I am not going to use arm’s except in sef defence but I will march, send letters and email’s and do what ever I can….Fear shackles people and their thought process, causing them to allow imprisonment….Love creates bravery and clear thinking which release people from the fear.. I love my country even though I am ashamed of what my country has done…
Un…Was out taking pictures, our little 120 acre lake is frozen over today…Global shift…LOL..sure is.Been here 11 year’s and 15 year’s between 60 and 75 and never seen this before..Suposto thaw starting Tues…..BRRRRR.I finelly wore the Bear out throwing stick’s and let him run loose for an hour….Ah, peace and quiet…Doing well…….Blessings all and sorry for the ot note…
January 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmMoreover, if the pharmaceutical industry fails, NO ONE is helped, but liberals will have achieved their goal of EVERYONE BEING EQUALLY POORLY SERVED.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
I see you’ve decided to not answer me… Figures.
You think everything is an absolute. That either you win or you lose. That it isn’t possible for you to compromise by finding a consensus with others that you both can live with.
You then apply this absolutist philosophy to all other relationships. One party must win and the other must lose. No middle ground.
Like it or not, reality is many shades of gray, and very, very, very little pure black or pure white.
Until you can grasp this, you will continue to make inane comments instaed of credible arguments.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:16 pmjust about any subject I’ve ever seen you post about.
Comment by Moderation — January 14, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Excellent post. Therefore, Hitler, I mean Hendler won’t get it.
You should send that to your Representatives.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by unbelievable — January 14, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
He’s going to ignore you and every other post here that pounds his a$$ into a mud puddle and stomps it as dry as sand!!
January 14th, 2007 at 4:22 pmunbelievable sez:
Don’t feel bad, unbelievable…Jason doesn’t even have the guts to reply to my posts anymore… ^_^
January 14th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThis tells everyone a good deal about your personality. It signals that you cannot be trusted to negotiate anything in good faith.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — January 14, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
In a nutshell, that IS the neocon philosophy: “I got mine by stealing it, so f*ck you.”
January 14th, 2007 at 4:26 pmFor the love of Christ, somebody impeach this tyrant thug!
January 14th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWell, seeing as after thirty days the Congress has the right to order a troop withdrawal, but hey, since when has Bush followed the line of the law?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:32 pmUn…Was out taking pictures, our little 120 acre lake is frozen over today…Global shift…LOL..sure is.Been here 11 year’s and 15 year’s between 60 and 75 and never seen this before..Suposto thaw starting Tues…..BRRRRR.I finelly wore the Bear out throwing stick’s and let him run loose for an hour….Ah, peace and quiet…Doing well…….Blessings all and sorry for the ot note…
Comment by Sharon Cox — January 14, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Yes, crazy to think we’re NOT affecting climate change. Crazy reichtwingers…
We haven’t seen cold weather here, and by mid-January, it’s rare to see 70 degree days and violent thunderstorms. The local FOX weatherman said this is typical. Nonsense. I lived here most of my life. Moving away for several years (to California mostly) made it pretty obvious that things have most definitely changed. I haven’t had to wear a big coat yet…
January 14th, 2007 at 4:34 pmY’all,
I never seen someone so hell bent on proving thier stupidity on such a consistant and unrelenting basis since sEXXiON, the Norwegian World Champion of Repeated Stupidity!!
You have to be collecting a sad little pay check to whore yourself this way otherwise, right?
Well, good news Jack@FF M(oron) Hitler. The minimum raise is going up. Now you can buy some meds. Please don’t forget take them, OK?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThis war escalation is all about the oil companies. OPEC wants to cut back on the crude and Russia is reclaiming oil fields and so is Chad. Exxon/Mobil and Chevron are becoming impatient with the lack of oil profits that were promised before this illegal invasion into Iraq. The oil companies were not counting on the Iraqis fighting to keep their country and their oil profits out of the hands of these greedy war profiteers. So now the frat boy in chief has to take action. Stay tuned… we are once again living in interesting times.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWell, that’s interesting. Would the TP editors please explain why JTitor’s post regarding the military-industrial complex was just nuked?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHe’s going to ignore you and every other post here that pounds his a$$ into a mud puddle and stomps it as dry as sand!!
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Don’t feel bad, unbelievable…Jason doesn’t even have the guts to reply to my posts anymore… ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Maybe I should consider myself forunate here? :D
January 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“I’m sending more troops to Iraq no matter what Congress does.” How stupid.
Bush is a very arrogant and stupid man. Moreover, what he is doing is against the law. If Congress votes to not send more troops to Iraq and Bush goes ahead and does it, then, Congress should vote to have him impeached.
He should be impeached anyway for lying to and misleading the American people on Iraq.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pmCuriouser and curiouser…I just went back through the thread, and it seems like all of JTitor’s posts have been scrubbed.
Explanations, TP? Which of the Terms of Use did JTitor violate?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWhy is it Jason gets all huffy when we don’t answer his posts and yet he refuses to tell us why he is a racist and why he is filled with hate and anger?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Go ahead, try a paint me a racist,”
Jason, If it makes you feel better, I just think your a Boob not quite a racist…
In any case, Separation of powers isn’t a Rubber stamp for the president. Remember the War Powers Act? If they did go to the Supreme Court, the Court would normally decide that YES the Congress CAN pass laws and the President is bound by them as is any other Citizen of the US.
The one forcing a Constitutional Crises is Your Boy, GW.
David Shuster has a really good point about GW’s constant Flip Flops, er, contradictions.
But please, go on thinking that the Executive Branch has unlimited power of a Monarchy and that Congress merely is a rubber stamp. That’s Soooo old 109th Congress.
Me, at this point, I would not lose any sleep over an Impeachment, but that would leave that Really Scary Man, VP Cheney as the president in name as well as in power….
January 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pmTo #s 1 through 267 above, I submit:
There’s a political solution to our military problem.
Dick Cheney must go.
The investigations are about to begin. Libby’s gonna get Fitz’d. The congressional subpoenas will be issued. The weariness over constitutional erosion is palpable.
So in advance of the predictable claims of executive privilege, I believe the call for his resignation must begin to rise. Political will for the necessary must begin to be accumulated.
It may seems a bit premature to some, but I expect it will resonate broadly as events unfold. There is no unitary executive. Not in this country. Sorry about yer luck Dick.
“The object is a larger one, and the original overarching goal of this administration: expanding executive power, for its own sakeâ€.
http://www.slate.com/id/2157493/
Since I expect no reader here to disagree with the above quote, then let’s ask ourselves why we feel obliged to put up with this any longer.
Congress is suffering fom a type of learned helplessness. Public outcry from most quarters must create intestinal fortitude.
http://www.democrats.com/Congressional-Dems-Suffering-From-Battered-Spouse-Syndrome
As I have said before, time is exceedingly of the essence. Do we really want Dick driving the bus at the next geopolitical crossroad?
The framers put the impeachment clauses in the constitution for scenarios like this. Exercising our rights is an imperative. No signing statement on this one.
Once this is all over, we will look back and wish Dick had spared us the inevitable vitriol. Men in multi-thousand dollar suits will try and tell America that this is complicated. It’s not. He’s a bad man. He’s an enemy of the republic. He should’ve been cuffed years ago.
Join the call for his resignation today.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIt’s still amazing to me the level of arrogance Bush and Cheney display. The combination of protecting the ego, and the wealth must be the driving forces.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIf Nancy Pelosi is half as serious about the “truthful” congress thing, she’ll at least make a motion to impeach Bush, if not propose a recall vote.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:43 pmUnbelievable, you would not believe how many clothes I had on for the hour funfest and picture taking….Long johns and 2 pairs of swet’s, 3 pairs of sock’s, 2 gloves and cap’s and a lined hooded jacket…..Nanook of the north would fit the picture…Had to keep my camera lense wiped often…Minalta need’s to put heaters in the lenses….LOL..Guess I am glad I didn’t get the Hasalblad I wanted year’s ago would only work in a studio setting….It was 18 degrees when I went out and now an hour later up to 23….Wow….The global warming thing is real but not here today….Blessings all
January 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pmIraq Rebels make $1bn from refinery
IRAQI militants are taking most of the $US1.5 billion ($1.92 billion) a year that’s stolen from Iraq’s main oil refinery through smuggling and corruption, the government told parliament today.
Speaking at the second reading of the 2007 budget, Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih said crime is behind the crisis in the oil industry, which is struggling to meet Iraq’s own fuel needs despite having the world’s third biggest reserves.
“We have a system and an administration which encourage corruption,” said Mr Salih, who has oversight over the economy.
“We are losing $US1.5 billion at Baiji refinery alone and most of this money is channelled to terrorists who are using it to target us and target our nation.”
January 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pmResponse to Granola Hippy, I agree that Nancy Pelosi should make a motion to impeach Bush. Bush needs to be impeached for what he is doing.
He violated international law, to begin with, by bombing and invading Iraq. The U.S. needs to get out of Iraq before anymore needlessly get killed.
This war caused a senseless loss of life over nothing. Weapons of mass destruction, none found. Ties to terrorism, no evidence. Ties to the terrorist attacks on 9/11, no evidence. Bush had no business invading and occupying Iraq.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:51 pmProvide the complete example of how the government sets prices for the utility and cable industries. I understand where they provide formulas for those things, that are based on cost models, but they don’t set actual prices. Once such formula caused one utility to buy gold plated components, because it added to the cost side of the formula and allowed them to charge higher prices, but I’ve never seen them set prices directly.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
*Sigh*
You’d think Hendler would learn how to Google.
From Wiki [emphasis mine]:
Part of California’s deregulation process, which was promoted as a means of increasing competition, involved the partial divestiture in March 1998 of electricity generation stations by the incumbent utilities, who were still responsible for electricity distribution and were competing with independents in the retail market. A total of 40% of installed capacity – 20,164 megawatts – was sold to what were called “independent power producers.” These included Mirant, Reliant, Williams, Dynegy, and AES.
Then, in 2000, wholesale prices were deregulated, but retail prices were regulated for the incumbents as part of a deal with the regulator, allowing the incumbent utilities to recover the cost of assets that would be stranded as a result of greater competition, based on the expectation that “frozen” would remain higher than wholesale prices. This assumption remained true from April 1998 through May 2000.
When electricity wholesale prices exceeded retail prices, end user demand was unaffected, but the incumbent utility companies still had to purchase power, albeit at a loss. This allowed independent producers to manipulate prices in the electricity market by withholding electricity generation, arbitraging the price between internal generation and imported (interstate) power, and causing artificial transmission constraints. This was a procedure referred to as “gaming the market.” In economic terms, the incumbents who were still subject to retail price caps were faced with inelastic demand (see also: Demand response). They were unable to pass the higher prices on to consumers without approval from the public utilities commission. The affected incumbents were Southern California Edison (SCE) and Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E). Pro-privatization advocates insist the cause of the problem was that the regulator still held too much control over the market, and true market processes were stymied — whereas opponents of deregulation simply assert that the fully regulated system had worked perfectly well for 40 years, and that deregulation created an opportunity for unscrupulous speculators to wreck a viable system.
Now comes the inevitable “communist” label from Herr Hendler for the PUC.
Don’t you get tired of being wrong all the time?
January 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pmLast month, I had a face to face meeting with my Congressman and he told me that investigations will be started, serious investigations, that is. He also told me a few other things that actually did happen so I trust him on the investigations. Time is critical and we must be patient, even though I keep wishing that this is all a bad dream and I will wake up and the reign of terror created by Bush/Cheney never happened. Congress has only been in session 12 days… the Democrats need to be smart in how to handle these investigations. Karl Rove has played all his hands and has shown all his cards. It’s just a matter of time.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pmBlair rejected Iraq troops plea
But he turned down the plea for around 2,000 extra British troops – to add to the 7,200 already stationed around Basra – because it would conflict with the government’s hopes of scaling down Britain’s Iraq presence in the coming months.
Meanwhile BUSH …well you know the rest
January 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmBlair – I’m not at all surprised that the Iraq rebals are profiteering. After all, the Bush/Cheney cartel taught them how to do it.
January 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmbarfly,
Jason M(oron) Hitler wants us to take our focus from impeaching the a$$wipe, facist GW Botch!!!
IMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
IMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
IMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
IMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
IMPEACH GW BOTCH NOW!!!
All the war talk this week is just another Karl Rove tactic to keep the focus off of all the other atrocities that the B/C cartel are involved with. Only thing is, we’ve been there, done that and got the war scars to prove it. The voters are wise enough to recognize the Karl Rove pattern of deception.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmListen has anybody notice less troops are being killed in Iraq this month (like 14 in 14 days) BUT also Sunni and Shia killings are down like today 8 ………………… This tells me they are waiting for American troops to arrive to start fighting ……….. think about it
January 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmViolence picked up in the capital and continued apace in Mosul and Kirkuk. Overall, 100 Iraqis were killed or found dead and another 24 wounded in violent incidents today. The Baghdad morgue reported taking in 16,000 unidentified bodies last year. Also, military authorities reported that one American soldier was killed and another soldier wounded.
Some recent stats from http://www.antiwar.com
January 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pmIf the U.S. would withdraw all its remaining forces from Iraq at once and without delay and not send any more troops, the fighting in Iraq would stop.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:11 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — January 14, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Might I add, for the trolls, since when is the world-wide announcement of the exact number of troops being sent to Iraq and when is not aiding and abetting the enemy?
There will be 40,000 NEW insurgents there to greet our troops and things will be worse than ever!!
Mr. Botch, you are treasonist! You are an enemy of the state.
YOU MUST BE IMPEACHED!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSadr also enlisted 2 million Shia from 14 to 45 for the fight with Americans the British in Basra have no communications channels with the locals , All the locals are protected by Sadrs militias , The Guy could really kick ass, also in Urban warfar you need a 71:1 ratio Baghdad is 325:1 Ratio ,,,,,,, this is gonna be a battle LOST
January 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThe MSM reports deaths in Iraq with less fequency as time goes by, unless there is an unusually lethal event.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:23 pmOne or two at a time is just a “number” so says Snowjob.
Every one is more preoccupied with Bush’s new not-so-new plan.
the world and our nation is his playground, and all the various human ethnicities are his very own soldiers (both good and bad sides) to play battle or war. why would this spoilt child ever listen to anyone? we’re headed straight for hell and georgie is in the drivers seat of this, our only planet
January 14th, 2007 at 5:30 pmExplanations, TP? Which of the Terms of Use did JTitor violate?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Someone accused him of being the same person as Greg Nevins. That may be it — if Nevins is gone too.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBAGHDAD, Iraq – The Iraqi foreign minister called Sunday for the release of five Iranians detained by U.S. forces in what he said was a legitimate mission in northern Iraq,
January 14th, 2007 at 5:44 pmThis is prima facie evidence that this man is demented and very psychiatrically compromised. He suffers from a Napoleon complex, has done nothing right and continues in his self-delusion to be arrogant and unqualified for the job. HE’S ASKING FOR IMPEACHMENT! If Congress fails to bring about impeachment proceedings after this posturing of his, then they will be held accountable and complicit by the people of this democracy for the self-destruction which is becoming increasingly apparent.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:46 pmGeorge Bush has become the “enemy within”.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:47 pmYa gotta wonder if the inital W stands for WarCriminal?
January 14th, 2007 at 5:54 pmYou know, GW Botch is gonna make people think that Yale and Harvard are just sh!tty little community colleges anyone can attend!!
Quoting Kevin Meany (sp?),
“That’s not riiightt!!”
January 14th, 2007 at 5:55 pmZooey sez:
I find that highly unlikely, Zooey. JTitor’s posts were nothing like Greg Nevins’. In fact, they’re about as opposite as you can get.
However, JTitor did write a few posts regarding the possibility of a false-flag attack perpetrated upon our carrier in the Persian Gulf as a means of bamboozling us into another war. I’m betting that hit TP’s legendary sore spot regarding 9/11, the central banks, Zionism, etc.
The more TP tries to advance its clandestine agenda, the more it succeeds only in making its agenda less clandestine.
January 14th, 2007 at 5:58 pmTripMaster Monkey,
You are probably right, but the accusation was made on another thread. I don’t know why that person was saying that, since JTitor isn’t insane.
So let me get this straight. TP scrubs all of JTitor’s comments, but Nevins’ crap is still on that thread. Lovely.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmtripmaster – i think you are closer to the real reason…
January 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pmplunger’s similar stuff never lasted long either…
whenever i see things like that, i copy and paste to another type of program for future reference… i read jtitor’s comment but missed copying it…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
You got it. We could be heading straight towards WWIII and never get a comment to show up raising the warnings about the fow in our oun henhouse.
But trolls…they can post all they want.
Maybe Hendler is Judd….
January 14th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
TP has scrubbed my comments and left Jason M(oron) Hitlers comments in place in the past. I responded on another thread here today defending both JTitor’s and ‘troll alerts’ comments. If you do a search…maybe you will find it. I will look later after I get me some lunch…Trolls, behave or I’ll have to beat you with a Mighty A$$Wipie sock puppet when I get back…
January 14th, 2007 at 6:12 pmdixie,
I saw that you were being accused of impersonating yourself.
I just checked the prescription thread, and Nevins is still at it. That’s just crazy. I’m glad he’s staying there….
January 14th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIt should be obvious to even the trolls. Dubya is drinking and doing drugs…his cabinet is made up of enablers who should attend alanon. I cannot remember a time in my lifetime that we had an active alcoholic playing GI Joe with our military…actually our National Guard and Reserves. This guy is a criminal and must be removed with whatever means we may find that will allow his departure. The GOP has done a great disservice to this nation by putting a drunk in the White House.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmComment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
What can you do? Idiots happen!!
January 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI bounce in from time to time and see this crap. I just started at the bottom of the this blog so haven’t had a chance to go up and read if there is anything further, and I’m totally out of sync. Again more crap from paid trolls trying to divide and conquer. Think what you will. Don’t really care. I won’t get off message trolls.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:25 pmMaybe Hendler is Judd….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 14, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
THAT oughta hurt… hintler would be flattered…
January 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmAgain more crap from paid trolls trying to divide and conquer. Think what you will. Don’t really care. I won’t get off message trolls.
Comment by JTitor
That accusation was made on another thread, by rachel b blair.
I don’t believe it’s true! I was just offering the fact of the accusation as a possible reason why your comments have been scrubbed.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmWell, at least we can take solace in the fact that if our comments are scrubbed, there’s a 100% chance they have factual basis…
January 14th, 2007 at 6:33 pmAs I said in #277 above: Stop focusing on the war (for now) and W.
Policy is made in the VPs office. Join the call for his resignation now.
He has to go.
George W Custer has riden too far in the wrong direction. The Sioux will envelop him. Shoot the horse he’s riding on.
Richard Cheney is the enemy within. He must resign or be removed.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:37 pmZooey,
rachel b blair is a troll. she is completely busted!!!!
She/he/it created a child with ADD and tried to work over JTitor with the “I’m a victim and so is my child” shite!! (Like MA with the dead baby jokes)
‘troll alert’ came to the rescue…
January 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIn about 10 minutes I will watch GW Botch on 60 minutes and try not to puke as I look for more reasons to:
IMPEACH THIS BASTARD!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pmZooey – I should have been clearer, sorry. Not crap as in what you where saying, but instead the concerted effort by some to disrupt this group and take it off message. Again sorry.
Somehow those trolls in this group that think they are going to effect me in any way and get me to leave, are sorely misguided. If TP wants to delete my posts, I can’t do anything about it. My goal is to try and enlighten people, and be enlightened by those of you that have a soul and stand up for what is right. I won’t sit back and watch this country and my kid’s futures get flushed down the toilet by these elitists and their bootlicking little minions. If they don’t like what I have to say then give me the facts to change my mind, simple.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:53 pmdixie,
If you manage to stomach the segment, come back and give us west coasters the run-down.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:53 pmJTitor,
Thanks. I just wanted to be sure you didn’t think I believed that crap. I enjoy your comments, even the ones I see before they are deleted. I wish TP wasn’t surrendering this blog to the trolls. Sometimes I think “f*ck it, let the trolls have it,” but I can’t seem to let it happen.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:01 pmhere in the central time zone, 60 minutes will have to wait till the
January 14th, 2007 at 7:04 pmsan diego – new england game is over… only 3rd quarter now…
14-10, chargers…
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Will do…
January 14th, 2007 at 7:04 pmQuestion for troll alert? Are you using any Pattern recognition software to read text? If so can I get a name?
January 14th, 2007 at 7:05 pmOnly way to stop Bush is to impeach him. And it should be done ASAP.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:07 pmSometimes I think “f*ck it, let the trolls have it,†but I can’t seem to let it happen.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
No. Your comments are very valued by most of us. Don’t ever give up, it’s only going to get harder before it gets better. Just remember good always wins…. sometimes we just have to moddle through the chaos.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pmComment by JTitor — January 14, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
I’m not ‘troll alert’ however may I help. All you need are Regular Expressions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_Expressions
to parse lots of data!!! In many ways!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pmre #308
Nevins has been gone for over an hour now from the Medicare thread. Kinda funny actually, that he hadn’t figured out (to that point at least) that he was being quarantined on an older thread that had long since descended into pointlessness and absurdity. I’ll probably get banned for all the troll-baiting I did on there, but hey ho, I nonetheless consider it a worthwhile use of my time. Dark deeds brightly done, as it were ;D To paraphrase George Bailey in “It’s a Wonderful Life”, “Every time a troll is diverted and then scurries away unfulfilled, an angel gets its kicks!”.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:23 pmThanks dixie blood!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:25 pmtesting.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pmnot able to post
One last post for the day….Next week is national Mental health week, be sure and let all the crazies know that you care…Attention troll’s…jason and MA.. I care and hope you can slip into something more confortable like a streight jacket or coma for instance……And please don’t forget to take your med’s….
January 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmJTitor,
That’s what I keep going back to — good always wins, even if it takes a while. :)
Dryveby,
Thanks for your service — above and beyond the call of duty. Heh.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:31 pmZooey sez:
To which JTitor sez:
Second. Zooey, if you leave, the terrorists (in this case, the TP editors who habitually abuse their power to attempt to further their clandestine agenda) win. I myself have made it plain that I am not going to censor myself to comply with this unwritten, unstated policy of theirs, and if they didn’t like it, they could ban me. For a while, that’s exactly what they did. But I’d rather be banned than compromise my writings. There are plenty of other message boards out there.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:31 pmtesting.
not able to post
Comment by trueblue
Yes you are!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pmSharon Cox is a simpleton. She is a uneducated peasant.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:33 pmThanks, TripMaster Monkey.
Great wisdom is to be had on this thread this evening. Keep up the good work!
:-)
January 14th, 2007 at 7:35 pmSharon Cox is a simpleton. She is a uneducated peasant.
Comment by USA
Shut the f*ck up, you moron.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pmNow, but not when I said that others could contact me.
That got deleted.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr………….
January 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI care and hope you can slip into something more confortable like a streight jacket or coma for instance
Comment by Sharon Cox — January 14, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Now I’m laughing so hard I’m about to puke…
Wow, that’s sweet!!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI agree.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:37 pmSTFU, USA.
Zooey
Many thanks for the kindly comment, but truth to tell, it sometimes seemed more like a call of doody :D
January 14th, 2007 at 7:39 pmUSA apparently sez:
This statement is rather unlike his previous two posts on this thread (#197 & #212)…so much unlike that I suspect yet another namejacking.
Trolls have carte blanche to post here with next to no consequences, but serious and thoughtful posters like Briseadh na Faire, plunger, and JTitor are summarily scrubbed from the boards. And now, namejacking has hit an all-time high, subverting the dialogue even further.
Think Progress is circling the drain.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pmThe regulating body, our federal government, cannot also “negotiate” prices, because of the undo leverage they would possess to extort whatever price they want, which is “price setting”, something which is central to the definition of the fascist / communist state.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmJust allowing anyone with the name of J Titor
THE TIME TRAVELER to post hyere seriously damages your credibility
His agenda is identical to the internet TIMT TRAVELER John Titor
Google John Titor and you will see alot of his posts originate from that hoax
That is why I say he is a troll
He is always trying to wriggle the agenda to John Titors and throws the threads way off track
I used to respect dixie blood but not anymore
About as two faced as they come I should say
She and TP took the side of a vile troll named John Titor and this I will not forget
January 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmIf you don’t want to STFU, USA, maybe you can be more specific on this “progress” you say we’ve made in Iraq. Do we have democracy in Iraq yet? Have you found weapons which could be a threat to us here at home? Is the middle-east a more stable and safe place now? Have we lowered the number of terrorists in the world and thus the threat to our country? Is Iraq a better place to be, in general, than it was before the invasion? How about our troops — are we losing fewer troops each month? Those towns we’ve “cleaned up” – are they still clean?
Let’s have it. Please educate us on all the progress we’ve made.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pmUSA…..I am so very sorry I offended you..Sarcasm off/ Not…..Now dear nurse betty has your med’s ready…Move along
January 14th, 2007 at 7:46 pmSharon Cox is a simpleton. She is a uneducated peasant.
Comment by USA
Well hell people the answer is simple
Just blame rachel and make yourselves fell better inside
January 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pmLike you do everything else
But I’d rather be banned than compromise my writings. There are plenty of other message boards out there.
Two part answer
Your writings are scribblings
And please go find one
January 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pmUSA apparently sez:
Sharon Cox is a simpleton. She is a uneducated peasant.
This statement is rather unlike his previous two posts on this thread (#197 & #212)…so much unlike that I suspect yet another namejacking.
Trolls have carte blanche to post here with next to no consequences, but serious and thoughtful posters like Briseadh na Faire, plunger, and JTitor are summarily scrubbed from the boards. And now, namejacking has hit an all-time high, subverting the dialogue even further.
Think Progress is circling the drain.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Damn Right!!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHendler, the companies have the publicly-subsidised drugs and Medicare has the peoples’ money. Nobody is “setting” or “dictating.” It’s called negotiating for a volume discount. Every other industrial nation in the world does it for its people. Why don’t you think the American people deserve what every citizen in the rest of the industrialized world has?
January 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pmThe regulating body, our federal government, cannot also “negotiate†prices, because of the undo leverage they would possess to extort whatever price they want, which is “price settingâ€, something which is central to the definition of the fascist / communist state.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pm#350, Bluetick49,
Call it whatever you want. If a regulating body does not allow free market competition to determine prices, then they are setting them, no other way to define it. Controlling prices / production in industries is the hallmark of fascist / communist states, and inevitably leads to shortages, as seen in the CA electricity market, and currently exists in the VA drug plan, which offers 1/10 the drug selection of Medicare Part D.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmTrip..m..m
Your are correct. Things are ph*cked up around here!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmTrip Master Monkey,
You’ve emailed BnF, right?
email him again, re: reaching me.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI need to talk to you.
;)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 14, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
I hope you’re right about USA, Trip. I never thought he was a moron before.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pm#349, Bluetick49,
Moreover, Venzuela seized there oil extraction and refining assets from foreign corporations, should the US do the same, that seems to be your logic, which I am sure is your next step.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pmtrueblue can I email you too ?
how come you never ask me to email you ?
January 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI won’t even go into what’s wrong with this statement.
But yeah, that’s what I thought. You don’t HAVE and retort to what I said, because you know that we are conducting an illegal military action against a sovereign state. You know that the Executive doesn’t have anywhere near the authority the PotUS and the VPotUS want the uneducated masses to believe. You know damned well that you are W.R.O.N.G.
But thanks for letting us all know that you know by ignoring all valid arguments, and pushing your unconstitutional and backwards agendas.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:57 pmbusta rhymes sez:
How terribly clever of you, rachel…er…busta. I suppose I might take you a bit more seriously if you had the guts to stick to a name of your own.
Also, speaking in complete sentences might raise your credibility just a tad.
January 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pmMod,
Congress funded these wars, which was a tacit approval, and now they want to cut and run from their previous commitment, which would only be justified if they either have a treaty with the terrorists, or admit defeat and surrender.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by Moderation — January 14, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Right on point again…
Jason M(oron) Hitler should STFU at this point. But, she/he/it will not!!!
Jason likes to prove that she/he/it can be more stupid today than he was yesterday!!
It’s a game where his cortex challenges his spinal fluid for world domination!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pmtrueblue:
Message sent.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:09 pmIf controlling prices/production is the hallmark of fascist/communist states, wherever does that leave our great “friends” the Saudis?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmok… this one’s gone… trolls…
2 minutes (or 20 in real time) till the game ends… then the post-game show… then THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is interviewed on CBS…
i should probably waited till AFTER watching to have eaten homemade southwestern eggrolls and cheesy bean dip q/ chips… mmmmm…
January 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmi’ll let you all know…
Sadr aide says troops ‘may return in coffins’
A radical Iraqi Shiite group led by Moqtada al Sadr has lashed out at American plans to send more troops to Iraq.
Sadr’s Shiite militia has been singled out by American generals as a key source of sectarian violence.
A spokesman for Sadr says Americans should “prevent their sons from coming to Iraq or they may return in coffins”.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1826224.htm
January 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm#361, blah, blah, blah,
You cannot possibly “debunk” a fundamental law of economics – setting prices below the price vs. demand curve leads to shortages – always, because capitalists / producers won’t stay in such a market.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pmuh oh… prepare yourselves… san diego chargers lost…
January 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pmaphro’s gonna be in a pissy mood… more than ever, anyway…
#364, Wokby,
Saudi Arabia is a caliphate, or kingdom, with limited power allowed to regions / cities / towns. I am not how their internal markets are controlled, but they do have excellent education / literacy rates for their entire population.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pmAnd Congress can take that authorization back. The moment Congress does, the PotUS must withdraw the troops, by law, or is in contempt of Congress. It is not the President’s call to decide whether or not that authorization is withdrawn. It is not his call to make. If the constituency decides the war is over, and the Congress agrees, the war is over. It is not “cutting and running” or whatever other idiotic meme you’d like to push. Sometimes, you win a battle but lose the war. When you do, a retreat is the right call. It doesn’t make you look weak, and it most assuredly does NOT mean you are making a deal with the enemy. We’ve lost the war, just like Vietnam. When we left Vietnam, and all of the boneheads screamed that if we “cut and run” Communism will take over that region of the world, guess what? They were proven to be WRONG. Completely, and utterly WRONG. And you know what else? They were the same exact group of so-called expert running this war.
On the other hand, putting yourself into an identical quagmire that your country mistakenly entered three and a half decades earlier and was forced to pull out of makes you look STUPID. The lessons learned from Vietnam were, “Don’t try to occupy a country when it is at war with itself.”, and, “Don’t invade a sovereign nation with the purpose of nation building…it does not work. A nation must come to democracy, if it chooses to do so, on its own terms.”
Just how foolish are these people? Repeat it with me, “Nation building does not work.”
If we’d only stuck to black ops and pinpoint, strategic actions against terrorist cells, we would have Al Qaeda on the ropes, if not extinguished by now. Oops. You know one of the signs on insanity? …
January 14th, 2007 at 8:22 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
Jason, you tried to run this line of utter bullshit past us back in post #251, and I slapped you down back then in post #258.
Funny how you didn’t try to argue the point with me…you just waited four hours and tried to post the same tired bullshit all over again.
Surprise, troll. I’m still here.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:22 pm#369, blah, blah, blah …
According to Time Magazine:
People killed under -
Mao – 30,000,000 (could be as many as 100 million)
Stalin – 10,000,000 +
Pol Pot – 2,000,000 +
Don’t even try to compare the “sins” of capitalism to the mass murder of communism.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pmuh oh… prepare yourselves… san diego chargers lost…
aphro’s gonna be in a pissy mood… more than ever, anyway…
Comment by katy
Eh? Who cares? It seems pretty pissy all the time to me. Heh.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pmre #370
Doesn’t really address my comment in #364, does it, Jason?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm#371, Mod,
If Congress would just admit that they want to surrender and retreat, then they should pass a non-binding resolution stating that they surrender and retreat, and not just simply pull funding, then try to blame Bush when Congress abandons their troops.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:25 pmmighty_aphrodite: do you believe in jesus?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm#372, spankmonkey,
Sorry, didn’t think you were serious …
True, it wasn’t declare, but it was funded, which is tacit approval.
Zarqawi was Al Quieda, whether you want to accept / internalize the facts or not.
As Cheney stated on Fox News this morning, “Dems have offered no alternative plan for winning in Iraq”, so, while we offer choices, you offer retreat and defeat.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pm#376, wokby,
Sorry, then I don’t understand your question about Saudi Arabia. Please rephrase.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pmYou can’t have it both ways Mighty it’s either or? Do you believe in Jesus?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm#380, Blah, blah, blah,
There were not 100 million native Americans alive in the US, when settlers arrived – agriculture practices / hunting couldn’t possibly sustain such numbers, and it certainly wasn’t “capitalism” that was the culprit, but imperialism by Spain, France and Britain – so blame those kingdoms, not capitalism.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm60 Minutes,
Just 2 Minutes in and GW Botch looks like the ph@cking fool that he is!!!
Mr. Botch,
STFU!! Go to hell!! Quickly!!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pmIsn’t that *convenient*?
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool
You really pay attention to that Hag, don’t you? Heh.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm385 – I think Jesus was an alien :P
January 14th, 2007 at 8:38 pm#388, spooge,
No, as described in the bible, nothing is more cowardly than pulling support from your troops, as King David did when he pulled his men away from a soldier whose wife he coveted. God punished David severely for that, which shows how low that behaviour is ….
January 14th, 2007 at 8:39 pm#389, blah, blah, blah,
Finally, you admit that Al Quieda was in Iraq – that is a big step for you, however much you may want to diminish his activities. Why would attacking Iraqi Kurds be less significant than attacking Iraqi Shia or Iraqi Sunnis?
January 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pmre #385
No need to rephrase my question, Jason. You just answered it.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:45 pmBUCH IS A GAWDAMNED PHUCKING CRIMINAL!!!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:46 pmGod punished David severely for that, which shows how low that behaviour is ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
And yet David was still “God’s Chosen One.” Explain that.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmmy whoops, Jason; I meant #382.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmSomebody, Impeach the stupid little f*cker already!! JESUS F*CKING CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pmthat was the culprit, but imperialism by Spain, France and Britain – so blame those kingdoms, not capitalism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Um, this “imperialism” was not just for the benefit of the royalty. The commercial class at that time held considerable sway with european rulers. They were responsible for the funding of the Royals’ militaristic endeavors, and offered not only money, but expertise in mercantilism – which would give the Royals the edge in dealing with other countries. Their opinions were highly regarded. They were capitalists in the original form.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pmComment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool — January 14, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Heh.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pmSurrender? You keep using that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means. Who are we surrendering to? Hmmmmmm? The government whose military, government and infrastructure we destroyed under false pretenses? The terrorist cells that weren’t there while Saddam was in power, since he gave explicit orders to kill all members of such groups at first sight, and have since settled into Iraq now that such a lethal threat is gone? The Sunni insurgents? The Shiite insurgents? The Kurds who just want to be left alone? Hmmmmmm?
No, I think what you meant to say was, “Congress should tell the American people that we’ve taken our police action as far as we can, and our presence there only exacerbates the situation at this point, therefore we need to leave and let the Iraqi people come to terms with what we’ve done to them. We are so sorry that we couldn’t even rebuild their infrastructure because we let corrupt, no-bid contractors take money from Iraqi’s coffers and America’s taxpayers, and couldn’t even hire Iraqi citizens to do the labor and earn that money as they had every right to.”
As for tacit approval…do you get high on stupid? Authorization != approval. It means, “We will let you do this, don’t let us down.” They let us down. Ergo, we stop letting them do this.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
Well, isn’t that clever. Just the witty banter I’d expect from a graduate of the alternate-universe Ivy League Stanford.
Likely story. It’s more likely you just hoped I’d forget about you again.
Your ‘tacit approval’ can be rescinded just as easily as it was granted…and seeing how Congress was duped into approving the invasion based upon intelligence cherry-picked and manipulated by this administration, that should be happening soon.
Ah yes, Zarqawi. Is this the same Zarqawi that was reported dead two years before his ‘death’ at the hands of the U.S.? The same Zarqawi that was reportedly killed by two 500-pound bombs, each capable of reducing a house to a house-sezed crater, and yet his corpse had only a few superficial cuts and bruises? That Zarqawi?
Oh, and by the way, Jason, it’s ‘Al Qaeda’. Sheesh…at least look like you’re trying… Stanford? Ivy-League Stanford?
An ‘alternative plan for winning in Iraq’ is an idiotic phase, since first of all, no one who is looking at the Iraq situation with any degree of honesty is offering ‘plans for winning’…only plans for minimizing the damage that has already occured. Second, the administration isn’t offering ‘alternative plans for winning in Iraq’ either…everyone outside the direct influence of this administration is unanimous in stating on the record that the ’surge’ is complete and utter nonsense.
Dems don’t offer ‘retreat and defeat’…they are merely honest enough to tell the American Public the truth, which is a lot more than the neocons (or you) can say.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pmY’all,
The 60 Minutes interview just ended on the east coast and all I can say is what a phucking a$$wipe GHW Botch and Bab’s raised!! And all the other kids suck too!!!
Damn to hell all of the Bush family!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmYes, finally having Pelosi foisted onto the public stage as the “face†of the Democratic party is a God-send for Reps, which is why she was hid prior to the 2006 elections, and it is presidential hopeful Hill’reh’s worst nightmare in this post-feminist world. Even now Barbara Boxer is calling Condi out on her status as “single with no kids†– gotta luv women.
Blather by Jason MH
Jason,
January 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThe neo-con talking point about Pelosi being “hid” or “AWOL” before the 2006 elections was already debunked here and elsewhere, with photos and details about her various public appearances. Pelosi herself did say, however, that she might cancel a few appearances so as to be with a daughter who was due to have a baby in any day. I’m afraid I don’t even get your bit about “Hill’reh’s worst nightmare.” How would you know what Hillary’s worst nightmare is? Have you ever asked her? I didn’t think so.
It was your beloved First Lady and crash driver Laura Welch Bush, who when asked about Secretary Rice’s presidential prospects, commented that it would be hard for Condi who is “single with no kidsâ€and no “supportive family.” Senator Boxer only correctly pointed out that neither of them (Barbara and Condi) had “any skin in this war.”
The problem with you here is that you luv the wrong women. BTW, Stanford is not an Ivy League university. You would know that much if you went to either Stanford or an actual Ivy League college.
GWB = Public Enemy #1 – Impeach him, convict him, and give him a lethal injection in Texas, the way Jesus wants…..
Bush supporters are all fair game now – run them off the highway, if that’s what it takes…….kill’em all, and let God sort’em out, as the redneck folk like to say….
January 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmI hope a crap load of people saw Bush on sixty minutes. It really showed what a small, pathetic, moronic, loser he really is.
January 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmCongress has the legal power to throw the pathetic little cocksucker in jail for the rest of his life, which is a f*ck awful lot better than he deserves….write your elected officials now, and demand nothing less….
January 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmJust watched Bush on 60 Minutes.
Pelli actually asked some valid questions, and well, no surprise, Bush gave vapid Jason M Hendler like (vague and invalid) responses. All opinion and no substance.
The man really should stay OFF television. But I’m hoping he won’t. The more he publicizes his stupidity, the more opposition he will garner for his ridiculous escalation plans.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pmComment by JTitor — January 14, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Namaste. It is amazing that those of us who share the same goal get deleted/blocked, while those whose only goal is to distract and disrupt post freely.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pmJason,
I see you’re still avoiding my questions. Pansy.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pmBTW,
60 Minutes is drilling a new a$$hole into Mike Nifong. He deserves it, twice over!!!!
Mr. Nifong, I hope you and your family suffer in everything, every day for the rest of your useless lives!!! You sh!t your own bed!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmBush from the interview: “These people have a vision of the world and they will murder to achieve it.”
Sounds a helluva lot like you and the PNAC’s vision of the world, sack of crap.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmOy. It sounds like I’m going to have to suck it up and watch GWB on 60 Minutes.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pmI just drew a Rune for Hendler, Eoh:Change:Reversed.
He will not change. He is, and always will be a fascist pharasee.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmBush from the interview: “These people have a vision of the world and they will murder to achieve it.â€
Sounds a helluva lot like you and the PNAC’s vision of the world, sack of crap.
Comment by buzzbomb — January 14, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Bush is definitely the best argument AGAINST himself and his policies.
I can’t watch a single State of the Union without thinking that he is making the best possible case against his own actions… And doesn’t even realize it.
It’s was even clearer tonight that he his sociopathic personality is incapable of holding himself to the same scales of justice to which he holds others. He does not get it.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pmBush still using the mushroom cloud theory as excuse to invade Iraq. What a pathetic liar and 60 minutes couldn’t call him on it even with Libby going to trial this week.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOy. It sounds like I’m going to have to suck it up and watch GWB on 60 Minutes.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Get ready to PUKE!!!!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pm# 409 It was a pleasure to read your post putting Jason in his appropriate place….the pig sty. :) Good on ya.
Folks…I just read this on DailyKos..read it if you want to feel better and a tad more hopeful about the press and holding GW to account.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/14/204210/306
Oy. It sounds like I’m going to have to suck it up and watch GWB on 60 Minutes.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
I just called him a lot of appropriate foul names. It relieved the pressure of actually listening to him… :D
January 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGet ready to PUKE!!!!
Comment by dixie blood
I just called him a lot of appropriate foul names. It relieved the pressure of actually listening to him… :D
Comment by unbelievable
I’m glad I canceled my cable as of Tuesday — I won’t have any temptation to watch the SOTU.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:23 pmHitting Below The Belt…
Classless, childish and void of any dialogue to further the debate on the Iraq war. First, lets start with the personal attack on Rice for not having any children who will serve in Iraq. I don’t want my leaders weighing important war time decisions on…
January 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by s — January 14, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Fantastic.
Thanks for the link!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pm‘troll alert’ came to the rescue..
Comment by dixie blood- @ 6:43 pm
Well,thank you dixie blood;I’m glad you saw through rachel b..
January 14th, 2007 at 9:30 pmZooey,
You may want to push that a day.
Steven Colbert and Bill O’Lielly are guest appearing on each other’s shows.
Must see TV!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pmI’m glad I canceled my cable as of Tuesday — I won’t have any temptation to watch the SOTU.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
He won’t be on the regular stations? Or do you mean that without ‘cable’ you don’t get anything?
How’s school going?
January 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pmMust see TV!
Comment by trueblue
In my best Dana Carvey imitating GHW Bush voice: Not gonna do it.
It will be all over the internets!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:36 pmFrom the speech tonight…
“Some of my buddies in Texas say, ’You know, let them fight it out. What business is it of ours?â€â€™ Bush said of Iraqis. “And that’s a temptation that I know a lot of people feel. But if we do not succeed in Iraq, we will leave behind a Middle East which will endanger America.â€
OK, we know he’s lying.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:36 pmHe doesn’t have any ‘buddies.
He has lackeys, footspittles, maroons, yesmen, yesgenerals, bootlickers and other assorted minions, but buddies, not.
So let me get this straight. TP scrubs all of JTitor’s comments, but Nevins’ crap is still on that thread. Lovely.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Nevins is more credible is why thinkprogress scrubbed the Titor posts
January 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pm# 343 JTitor:
You asked if I used ‘pattern recognition software’ to sniff out phony trolls like rachel b. aka. patricia reglin,Wellsley and little birdie.
The answer is no:PAT is just too stupid to disguise his style.
P.S. I hope his son is doing better with that ADD. thingy.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pmi would like to voice right now so that history will remember that one more citizen of the US thinks he’s an asshole.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pmHe won’t be on the regular stations? Or do you mean that without ‘cable’ you don’t get anything?
Oh. I guess he would be on the one channel I’ll get without cable.
Let me see…..Nope! Still not tempted!
How’s school going?
Comment by unbelievable
Going well, so far. Lots of reading. I start going cross-eyed after a while. That’s when I’m here!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pmTripMaster:
Have you read plunger’s stuff here?
http://www.plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
How do you know that TP banned him?
January 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI’m King George and I shall do what I want. Did I mention that I’m a cowboy to wooooooooooooooooooooooo wooooooooooooooooooooooo woooooooooooooooooooooooo. I’m just like John Wayne.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:41 pmNevins is more credible is why thinkprogress scrubbed the Titor posts
Comment by malicious intent
You’re full of crap, but you knew that already, didn’t you? Hence your choice of name. Run along…
January 14th, 2007 at 9:42 pm[...] Update: Video at Think Progress Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidDavid Friedman on Libertarians vs. Big Government Republicans – January 14th, 2007Thanks to Bush We Are At Increased Risk of Terrorist Attack – January 14th, 2007Hagel Explains Reality of Iraq to Lieberman – January 14th, 2007Doonesbury on Republican Science – January 14th, 2007US Policies Have Made Israel Less Safe–Better For Israel For US To Get Out of Iraq – January 14th, 2007 [...]
January 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pmGoing well, so far. Lots of reading. I start going cross-eyed after a while. That’s when I’m here!
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Hopefully it’s interesting reading and not the dry, Bible-thin pages of 8 point typewriter font stuff.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm‘malicious intent’ sez:
Pipe down, rachel…the adults are talking.
January 14th, 2007 at 9:58 pmHey! USA! STFU!
January 14th, 2007 at 9:58 pmHopefully it’s interesting reading and not the dry, Bible-thin pages of 8 point typewriter font stuff.
Comment by unbelievable
Yes. Thank goodness.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:03 pm#407 Lora,
January 14th, 2007 at 10:08 pmNO ONE else has recalled those Laura Bush comments — she actually said something offensive and out of context, whereas Boxer’s were totally relevant. But the Steprford wife is without fault!
Plain evil. Need to move to Canada.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:09 pm[...] Bush said the following on 60 Minutes tonight (Sunday): Q: If you have the authority to put the troops in there no matter what the Congress wants to do. [...]
January 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pmThis is Exley and I want to clear things up. All you people who think I’m dilusional, authoritarian, misinformed, dangerous, you miss my point. I am for Bush, for his War, for his Surge. Remember 9/11?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm‘Exley’ sez:
What did I tell you in post #441, rachel?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:17 pm#447 — Nope. Don’t think that’s Exley. Sorry.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm“Congress funded these wars, which was a tacit approval, and now they want to cut and run from their previous commitment, which would only be justified if they either have a treaty with the terrorists, or admit defeat and surrender.”
OR, more likely, they’ve finally realized that the Bush Administration didn’t have a plan before they went in, didn’t have a clue once they got there and don’t have a clue now as to what they’re doing–beyond lining the pockets of their cronies and themselves, the war profiteers, which was their intent all along.
George Bush hijacked our grief over 9/11 and flew it into Iraq.
Impeach now!
January 14th, 2007 at 10:20 pmThis is Exley and I want to clear things up.
Comment by Exley — January 14, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Stop namejacking!
These people are the perfect argument for site registration.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:21 pmmy impression of dubya, from this 60 minute interview:
January 14th, 2007 at 10:21 pmhe isn’t stupid, he isn’t delusional, he isn’t malicious…
he really does believe the things he says…
he really does believe in the things he does…
and that really scares me… because he doesn’t think he’s wrong…
but he IS wrong… he will never admit it…
…
This is Rachel and I want to clear things up.
If someone would care to explain to me why I am being treated terribly here at ThinkProgress ?
If anyone can cite chapter and verse as a good enough reason for me to recuse myself from this blog until that time arrives I will stay
I am prepared to refute any and all claims
Give me your best shot
January 14th, 2007 at 10:22 pm“Silence is betrayal” is not original with MLK. It comes, in its American context, from Lincoln.
Bush, in fact, sounds a lot like Lincoln: making war without congressional authorization, suspending habaes corpus with a constitutional congressional authorization, montoring the mail and telegrams (e-mails), etc.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:25 pmrachel b blair sez:
From the Terms of Use at Think Progress:
January 14th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Watch the 60 Minutes interview and prepare to be very rattled by Bush’s performance. Think of an expanded War against Iraq and heightened hostilites & military action against Iran. How to stop the little Madman? We face a Constitutional crisis over his claim that he has the power to ignore the actions of our Congress regarding this War. Very troubling.
As Rep. Rangel says, Bush does more to disprove white supremacy than any man alive.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:34 pmSorry Rachel You do those incredibly foolish character things. What are they supossed to be anyway? You are not all there. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:41 pmThe best thing about GWB being on 60 Minutes?
My parents watch 60 Minutes every week, never miss it.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:43 pmFinally, they will see GWB in a different light than FOX “News.”
De-fund the White House, not the Pentagon!
January 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pmDo you all Agree on me on this…
BUSH = NIXON
you could vote which one was worse… but its as bad as it was back in Vietnam… History has repeated itself… prob even worse.
He just proved on this Video (and all actions he has taken) that he does w/e he wants without congress, UN, or World alliance compliance.
To the people above who mentioned minimun wage raise. Bush said: “I will veto it just like Im going to Veto the Medical plan.” congress is trying to pass but needs the president approval for it.
over 43MILLION are crying for the medical plans to help us afford it.
over 65MILLION are on the minimun wage roll.
Bush went all out to make that nice TAX-CUT back in the days… Do you all remember his nice tax-cut plan right? Well guess what, that was only for effect on large businesses. about 40-50% of those businesses outsource to Other Country for self benefits for the company, and raise our taxes (for mostly the poor and middle-wage families) to help pay it off. (Take a wild guess why most of your in-state taxes have gone up…)
by watching the people cry for the president for Help, and he REUSING it, by the people asking to end a failed war (iraq = vietnam) and cry for the president not to kill anymore americans for a lost cause, DENIED in our face with no remorse.
Fact is: BUSH will Deny the Medical plan, Bush will Deny the minimun wage act, Bush will send more innocent civilians to Iraq to hopefully win the war so the Iraq pays us back in Oil compesation.
If the war between all middle east countries gets out of hand, let them be, let them kill eachother out and wear tired of their war, once they are tired of it, THEN we should get involved and store policies. Its their war, not ours, and were getting in the middle right in the middle of it.
as we have seen, as Bush has cleared it up for us, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED IRAQ ONE BIT CEPT REMOVE SADAM FROM POWER AND CREATE THEIR INNER-CIVIL WAR. There is nothing for us to do there.
Ladies and Gentlemen… the correct question is, who is Bush (and his administration) interested, the people or themmself?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pm447 is Santo on meds.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pm…You are not all there. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
Comment by rachel needs to know — January 14, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
irony?… paradox?
January 14th, 2007 at 10:53 pmwho is telling who what?
Yup, the Republican Congress funded Bush’s Wars. If the minority Democrats didn’t go along, the Republican Congress used parlimentary manouvers to prevent the Democrats from blocking Bush’s War.
But it’s not a Republican Congress any more. The rubber stamp Republican Congress was voted out by We The People.
The tacit approval for a dictator is gone.
Now, Bush is the “Commander in Chief.” If he cannot convince Congress to go along with his plan, it is incumbant upon him to come up with a better plan!
January 14th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThe ignorance and arrogance Bush displayed on 60 Minutes tonight is horrifying. Even though allies, military personnel, and most of the American public disagree with him, he said it doesn’t bother him.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:57 pmHoney,
January 14th, 2007 at 11:00 pmYou are nuts. I’m sorry but you are one can short of a sixpack. You need to get to the reality based life. You just aren’t going to get it. You can certainly post but no one will take you seriously. I’m sorry to have to tell you. Take the meds.
#447 is about the fourth or fifth time today my screen-name has been hijacked. Time for registration may be near. Thank you to all those here who recognize and call out these name-jackings.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:01 pmSorry but no fighting. I feel bad for you I really do.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:13 pmI this is just the beginning of the Bush’s last stand.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:15 pmrachel b blair sez:
I don’t need to do anything of the sort.
A lot more people than me are ‘accusing’, rachel…it’s transparently obvious to anyone who’s completed a year of school that doesn’t involve recess.
Do you just bang on they keys and then hit the ‘post’ button? Sheesh?
You know…I don’t think I will. I think I’ll just keep calling you out every time I catch you in your infantile little game.
This coming from someone who posts in ALL CAPS.
You’re a recursive parody.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:15 pmrachel b blair sez:
You know, that explains a lot.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:17 pmrachel b blair –your attempts to dumb down things here is failing……:) Got it? Take your juvenile, loser, bag of cheap tricks and don’t let the door hit ya….etc.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:20 pmthen why are you putting everything in caps?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:20 pmand you’ve done those things. I don’t even know what it is. Why? I don’t want to gang up on you. But you are not helping.
Just watched GWB on 60 Minutes. He is insane.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmDo you all Agree on me on this…
BUSH = NIXON
Question from Crunshii
Not quite. There are many similarities, but Nixon at least had some concern about protecting the environment, which was fairly progressive over 30 years ago. By contrast, Dumbya has never met a tree that he didn’t want to fell; and he is, in fact, even trying to do away with Nixon-era environmental regulations.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:26 pmimpeach the dictator
January 14th, 2007 at 11:26 pmrachel is prob a low paid troll……now using the victim game to get sympathy so this poster can stay in the game. Ignore this poster. We have far more serious business to discuss if our country is to survive.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:26 pm#407 Lora,
NO ONE else has recalled those Laura Bush comments — she actually said something offensive and out of context, whereas Boxer’s were totally relevant. But the Steprford wife is without fault!
Comment by Marie —
Marie,
January 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmWell, at least you and I seem to have recalled those remarks by “Crash-driver”* Laura Bush. (*I am using this moniker in retaliation for MA’s hackneyed use of “Breast stroke” or “swimmer” every time he/she blathers about Ted Kennedy.) But take a look at Nora Ephron’s essay on “Condi’s Diary” on the HuffingtonPost, where shealso recalls such remarks and treats them with humor.
Comment by rachel b blair — January 14, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
a Cu-koo-Cu-koo
January 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmTime to impeach this so-called President.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWho the hell cares about Rachel or Exley or “trolls” on TP?
We have a Madman loose in our White House. Check out http://www.huffingtonpost.com for the very scary stories about Cheney, Hadley, and Bush on the Sunday morning shows. This was a calculated move to send the strong message. We are moving on Iran. Bush and Cheney will dare Congress to do anything about it. I’ve never been so afraid for America.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:37 pmTrip, troll alert and to whom it may concern:
Why are you behaving like that with rachel b? Do you know for sure she is not who she is pretending to be? If not, you are just interpreting who you think she is. But the right question: Who cares?
If she wants to troll, eventually TP will realise that (with some luck). If you do not like what she posts, scroll down.
Me thinks that you care too much about who is who instead of what she thinks about the issues, which is, of course, the important thing. I once posted as Yenta 2. It was a silly joke, did that make me a troll or somebody that has lost the trust of people here? I certainly hope not.
So, my suggestion is that you give it a break. He/She will get bored eventually if nobody engages her. Peace.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:41 pmrachel b blair sez:
Wow…that’s possibly the most concentrated stiupid I’ve ever seen here, and that’s saying a lot, rachel.
By all means, keep going…you’re quite amusing. Remember to keep the CAPS LOCK on, twit.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:42 pmI was raised by two drunks you twit
You know, that explains a lot.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
For example, that kind of post is completely different from what you post every day, Trip. Bad joke.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:43 pmrachel b blair sez:
Name them. Name these alleged ‘friends’. And don’t list your pseudonyms…we’ll know.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:45 pmSavanna #489, You are exactly right about the calculated move today by Cheney and Hadley to serve notice to Congress about Iraq and Iran. I share your fears for our country. The people who read TP are informed enough to be very afraid at this time. How do we stop the Madman in the White House? What can Congress do on Tuesday?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pmHeh…rachel’s comments were so stupid, they infected me and made me misspell ’stupid’. :P
I think it’s time to retire for the night, before rachel’s stupid causes me permanent damage.
‘Night, all ^_^
January 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThanks Outraged. I’m outraged too and I hope and pray that Americans will stop Bush. I saw a bumber sticker today–TELL BUSH “NO” Good luck.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:52 pmThe Democratic Congress should admit in a resolution that they are pulling support from our troops in the middle of a fight. If they are so proud of that position, then they should record it for posterity in a seperate bill with no other riders.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:53 pmunbee,
Of course, you wait until I’ve clearly logged off to call me a pansy, typical liberal behaviour – be sure to sign onto the cut and run referendum that Pelosi will lead next week.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:54 pm#397, Zoo,
… that is a case of hating the sin, and not the sinner …
Dems that support a war, when public sentiment would punish them for lack of support, then pulling their support when public sentiment changes, are covetous of popularity, and will be punished …
January 14th, 2007 at 11:57 pmThe Democratic Congress should admit in a resolution that they are pulling support from our troops in the middle of a fight. If they are so proud of that position, then they should record it for posterity in a seperate bill with no other riders.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Shut the f*ck up, Jason. Why are you always so backwards?
January 14th, 2007 at 11:58 pm#503, zoo,
If you can say it so proudly here online, then pass a resolution saying so, if that is what you truly believe. You can call it the “cut and run” referendum …
January 15th, 2007 at 12:03 amAre you people insane, haggling and arguing like a bunch of school children, on this thread about ESCALATING THE IRAQ WAR?
For Jason and his comments about the Democratic Congress: Do you know about the dozen + GOP Senators who question Bush’s plan? Do you know know about Lugar and Warner’s plan to call for a bipartisan resolution in support of the Iraq Study Group recommendations?
That would be great progress and I applaud Lugar, Wagner, Hagel, Voinovich, Collins, Murkowski, TRENT LOTT, and all GOP Senators who have refused to go along with reckless arrogant Bush.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:04 am#504, blah, blah, blah,
Insurgents are trying to start a civil war, and we are trying to reinstate civility, so that the Democratic processes in Iraq can get back on track. At the first sign of trouble, the Dems want to cut and run, so they should just admit that in a resolution, so that we can debate it honestly. Dick Cheney and other Republicans have asked Dems for a strategy to support Iraq’s young Democracy, but they won’t put one forward – they just want to pull out, as Nancy Pelosi has stated clearly. All I am asking is that the Dems just state their intentions in a resolution – “cut and run”.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:07 amYou can call it the “cut and run†referendum …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Jason you need to patent that “cut and run” thing. Very clever-where do you ever come up with that stuff?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:07 amHendler, you’re pulling overtime today…what the matter, overcharge on your credit cards this Christmas?
You still haven’t bothered to answer my earlier posts. Show me where the constitution says what you say it says.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:09 amIt’s a fustercluck, sir!
January 15th, 2007 at 12:10 am#507, savanna,
Anyone from the peanut gallery can throw turds, but where is the alternative strategy from the Dems that defends / reinforces the Iraqi government and progresses their efforts to settle political issues?
Answer: There is none. Dems only want to cut and run – cowards.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:10 amLora,
good to see your posts…. too bad the time-zone differential precludes much real-time commenting.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:10 am#511, blah, blah, blah,
The insurgents changed their strategy of attacking the government, to trying to incite a civil war, because the US was winning, and the insurgents were failing to derail the Democracy. When the insurgents changed strategies, we should have sent reinforcements a year ago to prevent an outbreak of violence between ethnic regions, but we didn’t. Fortunately, now we are, and it is the right thing to do.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:14 amJason Hendler, Time Magazine is part of the corporate media. They do not always tell the truth. Do you honestly believe that Chairman Mao murdered 30 million people, that Josef Stalin murdered 20 million and that Pol Pot murdered 2 million? Give me a break! Direct me to where I can find one shred of evidence of this. Does anyone believe anything that the corporate media says anymore? I sure don’t.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:14 ambris,
God only knows what the hell you are talking about ….
January 15th, 2007 at 12:15 amthey just want to pull out…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:07 am
for you, jason… you are so wrong – and you know it – but that line reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aw-rvDYt6w&mode=related&search=
January 15th, 2007 at 12:16 amJason, Don’t go to bed. Stay up and read the information that is readily available about the alternative plans that Bush ignored when he listened to Frederick Kagan “The Father of the Surge.”
You remember the Iraq Study Group and the dozens of careful recommendations presented by this bipartisan panel?
You show your ignorance by fallling for the White House / FOX News line that Bush had no other choice but to order the Surge. You need better up-to-date information.
PS. Kagan is a fraud. You need to read about that too. Pull an all nighter Jason.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:16 amThat statement right there. That’s the one that nails you dead to rights. The only person I’ve seen on this blog who has said this, and who also (not so) coincidentally is the hal holbert, willy clairvoyance, etc, etc, scumbag who threatened the lives of other TP posters, than took it back as being “a joke, i’ll never do it again, i just don’t want to be left out, why won’t you let me talk” blah-dee, blah, blah, blah.
You fit not one, but ALL of the “voice” patterns (in this case, typing habits) of that poster, who was banned over and over again. And used the guilt-trip associative comparisons you make above, AND the “DON’T MAKE ME SUE” crap. All of it.
Busted. Dead to rights.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:17 amerr, the above post should say, “not so coincidentally typed in ALL CAPS WHEN GETTING DEFENSIVE is the poster known as…”
January 15th, 2007 at 12:20 amI’m confused as to the political motivation.
First it was to seek out the terrorist, then
it turned into ” Liberate ” the people, next
a fox hunt for Saddam, and now ????
I think the terrorist has gotten the point, don’t
mess with us. After many years of hunting and we have yet
to really achieve anything, pull out ! Lets focus our
military strength on US soil. Tighten up the borders,
put some money back into our economy and fix what is
broken here ( there are many ).
Liberate ? we managed to achieve this, well now they only
have to worry about the US stepping in ( and we will ).
Brief Point, in just the past 100 years the US has
raped, murdered, killed in the name of war,
blacklisted, and lets not forget about
slavery and segregation. In 100 years we have managed to
do to our own people what has taken other countries 1000’s
of years. My point is, we do learn from our mistakes, however,
who are we to force our morals and values onto others ?
We are by far perfect, much less ” role models “.
Saddam, ok, he did try to kill Poppy Bush at one point.
Dubya was successful in picking up where Poppy failed and
got revenge. Saddam is dead, I’m sure there were many
smiles, cigars handed out and toasts in the oval office.
Bet many of you had forgotten about that.
Media and Government would like for us to believe
that his trial was based on the pointless deaths he
ordered and/or carried out. Not completely True.
One thing to point out here about the Saddam trial, though
there are many. Talk about speedy trials, guilty before
conviction. I will not argue, the man needed to be taken out.
Generally a death sentence takes awhile to execute, many years,
many appeals. Probably if Dubya was not in office, Saddam would
still be alive, in a jail cell, playing bend over with his bunk mate.
For Political reasons only did this man go from guilty to death in such
a short time frame. I’m merely pointing out that under other somewhat
less political situations, the US would have jumped in. We would have
screamed legal injustice, barbaric, cruel and I’m certain ” show some
compassion ” would have been thrown around and used frequently.
So what’s left in the political agenda arena ?
Dubya continues to bounce back and forth between
” them evil doers ” and ” Free the people “.
Free the people ? it has taken only a few years for
” US ” to break another countries way of life.
We have given them a base to build from and it should be
left at ” IF THEY WANT IT “, if they want freedom. We have
opened the door, it should be up to them now, not us….
PULL OUT…..leave.
The terrorist trump card is loosing it’s effectiveness….
at least give us something new and exciting to fixate on.
I hear Kim Jong Il in North Korea is up to no good !
I’ll even get the rumor started ( Dubya tends to respond to them
quicker than the truth ! ).
Rumor: Somewhere, under a rock, just north of the big tree and
south of the river, in, near or maybe around North Korea…..
you will find WMD’s.
Yeah that reads and sound childish, plus reflects a sense of
January 15th, 2007 at 12:21 amimmaturity…….yet this is a prime example as to what Dubya
has based and continues to base his actions around……..
Jason, why stay in Iraq when everyday several of our soldiers are getting blown to bits? The U.S. cannot accomplish anything in Iraq. We should not have ever gone over there to begin with. The only way the fighting will ever stop is when the U.S. pulls out at once. Also, ever since this war has started, 600,000 Iraqis have been killed.
Bush should be charged for war crimes.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:23 amJason supports Bush and the War, without question. He also has Bush’s arrogance. The smirk too? Here’s the posting I’d like to see.
PFC Jason M. Hendley reports for duty. Will be deployed to Baghdad to fight the insurgents that he knows so much about.
Yeah Jason, Why fight the insurgents with your keyboard when you can relieve our troops in Baghdad who want to come home?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:25 am#518, Brandon,
Time Magazine cited the UN (or maybe some other world humanitarian organization not affiliated with the UN) as the source for the data – they choose to use 30,000,000 for China, where others state it is more like 100,000,000, so I believe the numbers to be reliable. In any case, it demostrates that communism / fascism are far deadlier political ideologies than democracy / free market capitalism ever will be.
#527, Brandon,
The fighting will stop, when the Iraqi government accepts their duty to hammer secular violence from whomever engages in it – al-Sadr or some Sunni warlord. Moreover, if they settle politically how the oil revenues are split, there is nothing left to fight about, unless one group wants to keep all oil revenue.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:34 am#528, savanna,
I registered for the draft, but was never called – did you register for the draft – I doubt it. Meanwhile, I worked for defense companies, improving our nations communications systems / technologies – what have you done to improve the security of our nation?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:36 amSometimes I think we’re all missing the point. Are we all that acclimated to all the absolutely absurd lies it has become our orwellian reality? WE all just sit back and realize/absorb how insane it is but just sit back, like congress and do nothing about it – except comment how stupid it as another 21,000 troops head of to make the situation worse. I think maybe the powers that be just want to keep doing what there doing and get away with it as long as they can. Tranfer as much wealth into the proper hands as possible before the whole game crashes. Putting a really stupid president in office was brilliant. The inarticulate bumbler who can never apologize for his mistakes and keeps on a makin em – sure is dumb – ain’t he. Ol’ George just don’t get it does he!
January 15th, 2007 at 12:38 amJason, It is not to late to enlist. US forces of all ages are being sent to Iraq, some as old as 58. Do not delay. Enlist immediately. Many of our soldiers, Marines, and National Guard in Iraq are serving their second, third, and fourth tours of duty. Your arrival in Iraq will be welcomed by these overextended units.
My war was Vietnam. Enough said.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:42 am#533, Kerrybuttluver,
Only one Kerry ever served was himself …
Dipshit Kerry throws a grenade and gets hit in the ass by his own shrapnel – yeah, he’s the guy to lead this nation …
$500,000 in ads from his old army buddies stopped that bullshit in its tracks…..
“earns” a purple heart after 4 months on tour by repeated wounding himself ….
Actually, damned few could do as well as I did in my respective jobs at those defense companies, but since that sector was shrinking rapidly under Clinton, chose to move to high tech startups instead, and did damned well there too …
January 15th, 2007 at 12:47 am#535, whatever,
On one hand, it is win-win for us, because if the US does pull out, then I predict the Shia will win, and the Al Quieda backed Sunnis will lose and wish they never attacked the westerners who were propping up all these Sunni kingdoms …
January 15th, 2007 at 12:52 amYou really need to learn about psychological projection. Wow. Seriously. It’s like you have this…preselected list of insults to throw at anyone who calls you out in any way, shape or form, that perfectly describe your own downfalls. Textbook. I’m certainly glad you can make such assessments about me from the dozen-or-so (tops) posts I’ve ever made on this blog.
Now that I’ve got your number, I need never acknowledge or respond to you again. Here’s to your getting banned…again. Salude.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:53 amJason, Easier to trash Kerry than to admit you are too chicken shit to enlist and fight. You have reached a new low. It is 2007 and our country is bogged down in a hellish quagmire of our own making. And the best you can do is trash a man who served his country on the battlefield.
I’m asking again, when will you enlist? It’s time for you to put up or shut up. You are not too old to go.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am#531 I registered for the draft, but was never called
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason,
January 15th, 2007 at 1:00 amI believe you have written on previous posts on other threads that you are 39 years old. How old were you when you registered for the draft, which was discontinued by the US in 1973, and replaced with an all-volunteer force? Five or six years old? No wonder you weren’t called!
Another lie by Jason (faux Stanford/faux Ivy League graduate) debunked!
Let’s face it folks, our nation is being “led” by a frikkin madman.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:05 amGood call Laura, he’s a lying sack o’crap, and once again is busted in his BS.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:06 amJason M. Hendler do you support the end of American sovereignty under the Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010; aka: North American Union? Do you feel that this is a good thing? What about the Nafta superhighway being built from central Mexico through the US, and up to Canada. Do you support this endeavor by this administration?
January 15th, 2007 at 1:08 amThanks Lora for calling out PFC Hendley. He’ll make a great addition to our Army or Marines and the long flight to Baghdad will give him plenty of time to read about Bush’s war crimes.
I really wonder about anyone who so misinformed as PFC Hendley shooting off his mouth about Bush’s illegal immoral War.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:09 amhonestly, he should have been impeached long ago. remember congress did not agree to go to war, this so called war isn’t really a war since congress never voted to go to war with iraq. and since he is not following the rules, he should have been impeached long ago
January 15th, 2007 at 1:14 amI wish all these armchair warriors like Pvt Hendley would take a day in the life of a soldier on patrol in the sands of Iraq.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:14 amWould sober their dumbasses up in a heartbeat…
Bush should be impeached.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:16 amPlease join the March to Impeach!
January 15th, 2007 at 1:25 ami would sooner kill the president then go to war “because he said so”/
January 15th, 2007 at 1:25 amThanks Lora for calling out PFC Hendley. He’ll make a great addition to our Army or Marines and the long flight to Baghdad will give him plenty of time to read about Bush’s war crimes.
Except that in Hendler’s case, “PFC” stands for “Premere F*cking Coward.” He’ll reach Baghdad about the same time Denny’s opens a franchise on the airport road, newly re-named “The Together Forward Turnpike.”
In other words, he’ll definitely be bringing up the rear.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:26 ami would sooner kill the president before going off to war
January 15th, 2007 at 1:27 amdo we need to face the presidential palace at 1600 pensylvania 6 times a day and pray to our great(est) leader?
January 15th, 2007 at 1:33 amAnswer for #42 Wayne
I just came on-line, hope this is not answered many times over here already.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011100427_pf.html
Report: U.S. Troops Raid Iranian Consulate in Iraq
THESAURUS: consul (n) diplomat, ambassador, representative, emissary, envoy”
This happened earlier than the Greek embassy incident. Then then military said that was not embassy for Iran — then Iraq was appealing to Geneva or someplace to prove they were an embassy.
I heard some news brief tonite that China had secured some oil company rights in Iran and had warned US not to interfere…
January 15th, 2007 at 1:36 amExcuse me. Correction to my post 557.
“… said that was not embassy for Iran — then Iraq was appealing”
That’s “Iran was appealing”. Sorry.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:45 am555:
Go sleep it off, Tom.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:46 amRachel, I will converse with you, if you don’t do anymore virtual Roschach’s. While the others have branded you troll, I’m willing to take one chance you’re not. One other thing: typing in all caps for an extented period of time is just annoying, and tends to make people ignore you after a while. We have an infestation that pops up from time to time, called Santo. A name-stealing, babbling lunatic that posts from multiple IP’s. If you don’t want to be frozen out, can the caps. Use italics for emphasis – it’s much less distracting. Others seem to have problems with you, but I personally haven’t seen any offensive postings yet, so tread carefully, and you’ll gain respect, by earning it. Lord knows we all don’t agree on much, and I’ve had dust-ups with others here, but by and large we’re respectful of each other, except when troll-swarms infest the boards, then it’s nearly anything goes.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:48 amRachel I believe you meant
“Sorry 557 not you” Tee Hee.
I accept your apology!
I’m sure they will be deleted as soon as TP sees them. Those kind of statements are not acceptable anywhere.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:58 amPresident should ask the congress to be responsible and accountable for the nagative fallouts of this leniency with states having terrorist links and funding to them.
Murderers hav eto be crushed before they destroy humanity.
http://blogs.ibibo.com/TechnicalJournal
January 15th, 2007 at 2:05 amNo, prob, RB.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:05 amcan I ask… since everyone is giving different opinions on how to impeech Bush or how screwed he has put his this country…
What could be the worst scenario in the next 2 years…
what would happen if there is a War with Iran and other middle eastern countries?
… Do we have the right to engage all of them… ? would the world agree for us to engage in such a War?
sounds to me were closer to WW3 than ever before…
January 15th, 2007 at 2:20 am“WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO SEE ME ALIANATED”
Comment by rachel b. blair-@ 11:47 pm
Gosh,maybe Juan C. was right,this is gettin’ kinda’ sad. :-[
January 15th, 2007 at 2:22 amPresident should ask the congress to be responsible and accountable for the nagative fallouts of this leniency with states having terrorist links and funding to them.
Like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia? Rajeev, I know you’re just a squat-and-trot troll, still I have to comment on the blazing stupidity exhibited by your loopy post.
Republicans have coddled these same guys for decades, and cried big, fat, croc tears for the innocents killed when it fit their political agenda – by the weapons supplied by republicans to both sides of the conflict! You now advocate Bush “asking” congress to be accountable for the negative fallouts – which are his fault, for ignoring warnings when he first came into office.
Murderers hav eto be crushed before they destroy humanity.
But then you’re still left with the murderers who did your dirty work! Do you now kill them as well?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:23 amI, for one, have no wish to see rachel b with an alien popping up through her rib cage. Yuk. Don’t Alianate her.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:24 amPlease, Rachel B. Blair, if you are not a troll (and I’m not accusing you of being one), please post on thread and not your personal problems. If you resume posting on thread, people may start to trust you.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:27 amGosh,maybe Juan C. was right,this is gettin’ kinda’ sad. :-[
Comment by troll alert
Then why don’t you let her sink or swim on her own comments? Hasn’t this piss fight gone on long enough? If she goes all Santo on us, she’ll get the freeze.
After all, it’s not like I’ve seen you around here for all that long.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:33 amI really don’t think that rachel b. blair is SANTO G..
January 15th, 2007 at 2:40 amBut the case could be made that rachel is Santo ON meds.
[...] Apparently Bush wasn’t confident enough in his earlier attempt to garner financing from an unfriendly Congress. In an interview Sunday night with 60 Minutes, Bush noted that he would send troops to Iraq regardless of what Congress’ wishes were. Bush was asked if he had the authority to send troops to Iraq regardless of Congress’ wishes. His reply was an ugly affront to the principles of the Constitution, “I think I’ve got, in this situation I do, yeah. I fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I’ve made my decision. And we’re going forward.” Think Progress linked to a series of websites with discussions on Congress’ legal power to prevent an escalation of troop levels. [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 2:43 amBut the case could be made that rachel is Santo ON meds.
Comment by troll alert
I’m tryin’ ‘ta broker a cease-fire over ‘ere — and ‘ya not makin’ my job easy!
Or is this some online form of dunking-her-pigtails-in-the-inkwell, to get her attention?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:47 amThen why don’t you let [her]
Comment by barfly — January 15, 2007 @ 2:33 am
That’s your first problem,barfly,rachel is not who he says he is.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:52 amContext is everything. So next time you plop into the middle of a barfight,barfly,try reading up a little first.
Other than that,I’m glad rachel has found a new friend.
One more thing, Rachel. TP’s posting capabilities are strictly Flintstones. Just hit the send button once, and hpoe for the best. Here’s a tip: just before you post, copy your post, and then watch for it to appear. If it doesn’t appear after ten minutes then resend. Sometimes the system hiccups, and it goes off-line with maddening frequency. But multiple postings (sometimes by accident) makes it appear as if you’re having some sort of on-line emotional episode – not the best way to win friends, or to influence this lot.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:55 amSo next time you plop into the middle of a barfight,barfly,try reading up a little first.
As a former carny, your reference does make me smile. . .
I’ve been reading your little multi-thread fracas for days now, and as yet haven’t seen the behavior you claim. If you guys won’t “take it outside,” then I have every right to stick my nose in. This is my joint, too. Put up some evidence that she’s engaging in proscribed behavior, or just let it go . . .
January 15th, 2007 at 3:05 amrachel is not who he says he is.
The funny thing is I’ve seen you both making that claim . . . Where’s the evidence?
January 15th, 2007 at 3:08 amJ Titor or Sir Greg Nevins will shortly make their appearance right Troll Alert ?
The same goes for you, Rachel; evidence?
Court is now in session, the inebriated (yet still honorable) Barfly presiding.
Call the first witness:
Troll Alert! Will Troll Alert take the stand?
January 15th, 2007 at 3:17 amTroll Alert: when did you first discover Rachel B, was not , in your own words, “who he says he is?”
How did you discover this? Can you produce this “evidence” for the court to inspect?
January 15th, 2007 at 3:24 amHey what makes you assume I am a girl ?
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 3:10 am
I thought I said “rachel is not who HE says HE is.
I will be walking away the bigger person here
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 3:10 am
It’s strange,but I heard ‘patricia reglin’ use those same words to ‘trueblue’. You remember that;don’t you PAT,um, er, rachel?
Now,rachel,I’ll leave you alone as soon as you admit trolling as:
January 15th, 2007 at 3:29 am1] patricia reglin
2] Wellsley
3] angus thorsen
4] little birdie
5] LiL Leprechan
6] And a few others that don’t come to mind now
7] And wasting all that bandwidth with those stupid pictures
I mean since I have justy handed you your ass in this exchange
which by the way will be my last to you
I will be walking away the bigger person here
I will let you go back to being the prettiest tranny at the ball now ok ?
Comment by rachel b blair
Back to square one, Rachel. Now you’re looking Santo-ish.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:29 amidk… but i think this post has de-railed big time from what its supposed to really cover…
Im concerend about our dumb ass president messing up our country worse than it allready is, were at brink of WW3 with all middle east, and here we have a nice lil inner discution with someone named rachel…
may I please add, wtf, and IdgaF if your having personal discusions with people within the tread… just make sure its about the topic and dont derail…
If that person talks crap and nothing about the post, plz just ignore that person, dont feed them steam to keep spamming on a tread thats supposed to be informative.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:46 amMy contention is that John Titor aka JTitor
and one Sir Greg Nevins and Troll Alert are all the same person
I have conclusive evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that all three poster names come from the same IP the same port at both the IP server and TPs server at the identical posting time down to the millisecond
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 3:33 am
PAT,um,er,rachel; You and I and a few other reasonable folk here know that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to produce any such IP evidence.
Anyone should know that the three of us are seperate posters.
However; Let me congradulate you for finally reaching SANTOHOOD.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:04 amWhy would I make such a bold claim if it was not true ?
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 4:31 am
Perhaps because you’re a bold idiot.
(troll alert/ over and out)
January 15th, 2007 at 4:50 amWhy would I make such a bold claim if it was not true ?
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 4:31 am
Perhaps because you’re a bold idiot.
(troll alert/ over and out)
January 15th, 2007 at 4:50 amOkay Troll Alert
I mean Sir Greg Nevins
I mean JTitor
Sorry I get you three mixed up because you are all the same person
Rest easy it happens every time you post
This little * real time * comparator prgram I wrote is really pretty shrewd actually
It allows me to * see * where I was not able to before
It allows me to * go * where I could not * go * before
Nuff said about that
You need to get your …..
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GO THROUGH THE JUDGE COUNSELOR NO MORE DIRECT DISCUSSION
January 15th, 2007 at 5:35 amWow! I never would have guessed at how many cowards live in this country. All you idiots can do it bad mouth Bush.
All of you need to get out of the f’n country you red bastards and leave the American way to the ones who bled for the red, white and blue.
25 years ago I was proud to serve my country, and if I could today, I’d do it again with the pride of my country and government.
STOP THE WHINING, AND STOP LISTENING TO CNN!!!!
Did you ever think about the people that wanted that regime ended?
and are grateful to the work that we have done over there?
God forbid if this country ever gets invaded, you morons would be crying for a military to help you!! But I would be happy to throw you morons to the wolves.
GO Bush, and get the job done!!!
January 15th, 2007 at 5:44 amI WILL BE AVOIDING YOU FROM NOW ON
Comment by rachel b blair — January 15, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Promise?
January 15th, 2007 at 6:57 am#557 Lenore. Thanks.
January 15th, 2007 at 7:27 am[...] Think Progress brings us a video of Bush marking his territory around the White House, because I know you all can’t get enough. In this interview, Bush says he’ll be escalating his failure of a war no matter what Congress does. Since America knows for sure now that Bush isn’t listening to anyone, will the Democrats finally listen as well and impeach the bastard? Congress has the power to stop this. The Democrats have no excuses anymore. [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 8:53 amNow that the legal folks have spoke and have proclaimed that congress can stop this war, I am assuming we will see the Dem congress voting to stop this war today or tommorrow right?
No point in Bitching about it anymore if your leaders won’t do anything about it even thought they can.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:02 amInsurgents are trying to start a civil war, and we are trying to reinstate civility, so that the Democratic processes in Iraq can get back on track. At the first sign of trouble, the Dems want to cut and run, so they should just admit that in a resolution, so that we can debate it honestly. Dick Cheney and other Republicans have asked Dems for a strategy to support Iraq’s young Democracy, but they won’t put one forward – they just want to pull out, as Nancy Pelosi has stated clearly. All I am asking is that the Dems just state their intentions in a resolution – “cut and runâ€.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:27 amJason MH,
January 15th, 2007 at 9:42 amAll I am asking is that you answer my question concerning at what age or in what year you registered for the draft.
When Bush commented that his job would be easier if the U.S. was a dictatorship and he the dictator [1], we thought we was telling us something he “saw” in his alternate faith-based universe. Silly us for not realizing that he was actually talking about the here-and-now.
1. “If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier – just so long I’m the dictator.” December 18, 2000
January 15th, 2007 at 9:46 amPFC Hendler, Yes–we want to know when you plan to join the Army. It is a national holiday today, so you might have to wait until tomorrow to sign up.
What part of the Iraq Study Groupdon’t you understand? This bi-partisan group outlined a series of recommendations to remove US forces from Iraq. Very specific recommendations. Read it. Bush was too arrogant to listen to this good advice, so he turned to Neo-Con Frederick Kagan “Father of the Surge” for his latest “plan.”
It is highly insulting to read your repeated reference to the Democrats as “cut and run”. Have you not listened to GOP Senators Lugar, Warner, Collins, Coleman, Hagel, Voinovich and others who have said we must get out of Iraq?
“Cut and Run” works as an outdated sound bite for you, but it shows your ignorance. Time to get the facts, PFC Hendler. You’ll need to know who you are fighting in Baghdad. Sign up.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:01 amIn response to 519: (bris, God only knows what the hell you are talking about ….Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:15 am) Since the thread is so long, I’ve copied and pasted the relevant posts:
bris,
God only knows what the hell you are talking about ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:15 am
This is what I am talking about:
Now, on to Hendler’s boasting:
#55, unbee,
Once again, you label my statements as “reading comprehension†problems, without backing up that statement.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
You’re right, she should have dinged you for a third-grade grammatical error. (there-their-they’re)
I pointed it out, but you somehow chose to ignore that and obstinately refused to correct your statement:
Hendler: “In our constitution, it states that the Congress shall not pass laws which contradict the powers delegated to the three branches of government, so there actions show a startling lack of understanding of their own government.â€
Could you please clean up the grammar in the last half of that sentence, as it stands, it is meanless. Hint: replace “there†with to whom you are referring.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 14, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
For one who claims to be an independently wealthy capitalist, your grammar inhales greatly.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 14, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Now you say you worked for high-tech start-ups (meaning more than one company). Perhaps that explains why so many went out of business. You may have single-handedly burst the high-tech bubble.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amBLow hard, Blow harder!!!
Maybe just maybe your leaders will listen and actually do something about the war. Then again they will probably endorse it once again by voting for all the war money. Funny how the only ones truly complaining are those not in power. The Dems in power seem to be ready for the long fight (or at least there votes for more Iraq War money say so).
January 15th, 2007 at 10:11 amPFC Hendler, We’re still waiting. . . When did you sign up for the “draft?” We all know the draft ended in 1973 and no one was called after that date. When do you plan to enlist to fight Bush’s heroic war that you support? How does the prospect of fighting in IRAN sound to you?
January 15th, 2007 at 10:17 am“All I am asking is that the Dems just state their intentions in a resolution – ‘cut and run’.”
JMH, if you would like people to take your arguments seriously (and this does seem to be the case – sometimes, anyway) it would help if you stopped resorting to convenient media catchphrases like “cut and run.” Using them is an admission of laziness.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:20 am612 – Savanna, give it up. All Hendler can talk about is what Rove put on his bio sheet and the republican talking points of the day.
Why do you think he never answers any questions? Rove hasn’t supplied him with answers. His stuff is as scripted as the cell phone calls from the commercial airliners on 9/11. (They were impossible to have been made back then, only a couple of months ago have a couple of commercial carriers – in Europe – begun to install the technological equipment in their aircraft to make in-flight cell phone calls possible.)
January 15th, 2007 at 10:50 amJason:
Insurgents are trying to start a civil war, and we are trying to reinstate civility, so that the Democratic processes in Iraq can get back on track.
I thought we weren’t interested in nation building. And even if we were, the US military is not designed, trained, or equipped to do so.
At the first sign of trouble, the Dems want to cut and run, so they should just admit that in a resolution, so that we can debate it honestly.
The FIRST sign of trouble? It’s been 4 years. World War II was over by now. It’s been getting worse and worse the entire time. Please, tell me, how this escalation is going to make it any better.
Dick Cheney and other Republicans have asked Dems for a strategy to support Iraq’s young Democracy, but they won’t put one forward – they just want to pull out, as Nancy Pelosi has stated clearly.
Democracy can not be imposed upon a culture that is unwilling to support it. You can stomp up and down all you want about trying to spread freedom and democracy in Iraq, but democracy is a form of government that radiates from the bottom up. Trying to ram it down Iraqis’ throats from the top down will never work.
All I am asking is that the Dems just state their intentions in a resolution – “cut and runâ€.
Seriously, just stop the catchphrases. It’s a sign of mental laziness.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:24 amI’ve read through about the first 140 or so posts…will probably never get through all 640 (whew!).
So tell me, Briseadh, did Hendler ever support his statement posted yesterday @ 11:39 am? He stated:
January 15th, 2007 at 11:28 am
#600 – - Who’s going to invade us, y’old kook? Best think about how much you don’t know about the people who read and write hear before you start shooting off insults – If I had to decide right now, I’d say it’s you that’s the coward.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:28 amp.s.
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!
January 15th, 2007 at 11:29 amThe truly confusing thing about Jason M’s position on Iraq is that elsewhere on this site (and quite recently) he argued that efforts to reduce suffering only ensure that no one winds up being served well.
If this is the case, then why is the U.S. trying to help the Iraqis?
January 15th, 2007 at 11:29 amStill waiting for an update from PFC JMH on his plans to join the military.
Hendler may be interested to know that Bush had an emergency meeting at Camp David over the weekend to win back the GOP Senators who have finally seen the reality of Bush’s War. PFC Hendler can add a few names to his GOP “Cut and Run” list: Senators Conrad Burns, Snowe, John Thune. These are Republicans who know we are headed deeper into Bush’s disaster.
Looks llike the only ones who still support the Bush/Cheney escalation are Laura, Barney, and Mitch McConnell.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:31 am“I would be happy to throw you morons to the wolves.”
Yes, DexCaliber, and we are happy to continue to point out to you the true nature of the freedoms you are so blithely throwing away.
Kind of unfair, isn’t it?
January 15th, 2007 at 11:31 am#616 – WC
No he didn’t — of course. See #609
January 15th, 2007 at 11:32 am“leave the American way to the ones who bled for the red, white and blue.”
OK. Is your wife ready to go, then?
January 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am#617:
I often ask people that. They’ll pull out the old “fight them there so we don’t fight them here” crap, and I point they have a better chance of being struck by a meteor than they do of being the victim of a terrorist attack in the US.
The bottom line question is this: What are people willing to pay in dollars and civil rights for the feeling of being secure?
To accurately answer this, people need to have an understanding of what the realistic threat to their security is, and most people who blindly follow Bush’s “be afraid of terrasts” rhetoric think there is a one around every corner. So they’re willing to throw billions of dollars and innumerable civil rights away.
Me? I understand that terror is a tactic that succeeds the moment you begin to change your way of life and priorites based upon being afraid.
Ask your friends who supports this nebulous “War on Terror” if they are afraid of being a victim of an attack. If they say ‘yes,’ which most Bush supporters say, then inform then that they are helping the terrorists achieve their goal.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amComment by Zooey — January 15, 2007 @ 11:32 am
Not surprised.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:40 amCHECK OUT THESE EXAMPLES FROM TPs FINEST ?
Thanks, Dems, for indirectly hurting your consituents, while appearring to help them and bolstering your own image, so that the black community keeps voting for you to hurt them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Put down the crack pipe, Jason. >>>>>>>>>>DAMAGE CONTROL
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
If it gets worse, I really will leave for good. >>>>>>A PITIFUL AND VOICELESS CRY FOR ATTENTION
WAYNE LIKED IT BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THE CROWDS HERE WERE SMALL WITH VIRTUALLY NO COMPETITION COMING FROM THE CROWD
LIKE A SNAKEOIL SALESMAN OF THE DAYS OF OLD
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — January 14, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Last time I heaped crapped on Jason he ran off and cried to the administrators…When you call out his sh!t he goes all balistic…It should happen in just a few more posts…3…2…1.. >>>>A RED STATER COUNTS BACKWARDS ?… AMAZING
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Jason claims to have attended an “Ivy League†school
Haaaahahahahhaaaaa >>>>>>> OBVIOUS JEALOUS RAGE BECAUSE YOU MANAGED TO ONLY COMPLETE THE 7TH GRADE BEFORE YOU BECAME PREGNANT AND QUIT RIGHT ?
WELL AT LEAST YOU AND THE FATHER , i MEAN YOUR OLDER BROTHER , ALL LIVE UNDER THE SAME ROOF AND THE BABY WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY AT LEAST ONE ADULT
Comment by dixie blood — January 14, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
January 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amsavana,
In 1985, I turned 18, and registered for the draft. Even though no draft was called, I fulfilled my duty by registering in the event a draft was called.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe people who oppose this tyrant (clearly the majority in this country)…
…must rise up and make it known that this demon and his cronies are our enemies…
…we have allowed this monster to flourish, this cancer on our nation’s soul to metastasize…
…and now it’s up to us to destroy it, and heal ourselves…
…step up your emails to your elected representatives and phone calls to the White House switchboard…
…join the online impeachment movements (take action) sign their petitions, donate, and participate in rallies, marches and online meetings…
…if we allow this evil (the criminal Bushite junta) to continue it will certainly destroy us…
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January 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pmGOOD NEWS! You don’t have to wait for the draft! YOU CAN ENLIST! That’s right, BE ALL YOU CAN BE! Join the All-Volunteer Army, serve your country! Show your gratitude for all Uncle Sam has given you! You, too, can be a bullet-sponge, as the foot soldiers are wont to call themselves these days.
I look forward to your first-hand reports from Iraq. Tell us how wonderful life is outside the Green Zone.
By the way, why did it take you so long to reply to the question about registering for the draft, hmmm?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pmOf course, you wait until I’ve clearly logged off to call me a pansy, typical liberal behaviour – be sure to sign onto the cut and run referendum that Pelosi will lead next week.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
You were actively posting when I made that comment. How am I supposed to know if you suddenly decide to log off before you can read that far? Sheesh Jason…
But I will tell you what is typical – it is you waiting until i’ve stopped posting for several hours to address me.
You are a pansy. You have failed to respond to my previous posts to you.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pmAll I am asking is that you answer my question concerning at what age or in what year you registered for the draft.
Comment by Lora — January 15, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Keeping in mind that he’s 39, it’s still not toolate for him to sign up and go fight for this occupation he so strongly supports…. But, like a typical coward, he won’t.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
So you registered for Selective Service. Big deal. Is this really what you’ve been bragging about since post #531?
You know, Jason, I have registered for Selective Service as well…as do all adult males in this country, since they are required by law to register within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Willfully failing to register carries a penalty of up to five years in jail and a fine of up to $250,000. In addition, in order to receive financial aid, federal grants and loans, and certain government benefits, males 18 or older must be registered with the SSS.
Yeah, Jason….you’re a regular American Hero. ‘Register for the draft’, my ass.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmIn 1985, I turned 18, and registered for the draft. Even though no draft was called, I fulfilled my duty by registering in the event a draft was called.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
You are under 42 and eligible to fight, therefore you have fulfilled nothing thus far. You can correct that by going to sign up for the Army.
Or are you saying you are too much of a coward to go to Iraq and help your country?
January 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmSo the democratically lead congress decides to cut off the funding, you know what the republicans well sell the american people in “08″right?? And guess what? they will buy it and blame the democrats for this f$#ked up policy of the republican party. Americans are so f*&king lost.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThis is what happens when we let a born again christian run the country.
The same people who believe the earth is 14,000 years old.
The same people who believe evolution shouldn’t be taught in schools.
The same people that believe global warming is a hoax.
The same people who believed Iraq had WMD.
The same people who believe Bush should stay in office.
Religious conservatives of any faith have the amazing ability to ignore reality, to look facts in the face and ignore them.
Bush is the prime example of not letting facts get in the way of what he wants to do… he has “faith” in himself.
When republicans make fun of “book learning” people, ie people who can read… we end up with a president blind to facts, who makes them up as he goes.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pmComplainer Progs – Thank you one and ALL!! I always laugh when whiny crybaby Progs complain to TP about someone hijacking their handle. My moniker has been hijacked many times – (imitating my favourite whiners, “waaaagh!!) – who cares? anubody with an ounce of sense can tell the difference between the genuine artical and the cheap imitation.
As for the TP deletions: TP has two topics they sorely avoid. The 9/11 conspiracy whacks (thank Braid Faire and former contributor, “plunger” for that!) and anytime I link progressives with S-cial–ts or C*mmun–ts (i.e. worldcantwaits’ Sunsara Taylor of Revolution mag and the RCP, USA.) That would be their choice but we must consider TP’s status as a tax-exempt entity.
So……. Happy King Day Progs and Progettes!!!
January 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmAmazed- If Bush is an idiot, then Al Gore and John Kerry ARE babbling fools!! They didn’t do quite as well in achool as the President did….
Happy holiday!
January 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmDo those who believe in defeat in Iraq actually believe we will be better off letting a tyrannical, anti-American, Shiite regime who would be aligned with Iran, be good for us? Ted Kennedy led our cut and run in Vietnam which resulted in untold suffering and over 3,000,000 deaths at the hands of Pol Pot. And a new Iraq/Iran alliance will come here as soon as they can. No limit on young, hopeless volunteers, in oppressive regimes who turn hatred outward. Look at the Palestinians. Their leadership keeps them dumb and poor, therefore, easily manipulated.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmYou folks need to talk to some Cambodian refugees, and look at the 9/11 pix again. LOOK AT THEM. YOUR THE NEXT TARGET, along with the rest of us. If you think giving in makes them love you, think again. Our apparent lack of will has only emboldened them over the past twenty years.
all I gotta say is….
How ’bout them Chargers?
There…I feel better
January 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmDear Dr. – Pooor Mr. Aphrodite – he was so sad about the NeW England P’s victory (I DO like Tom Brady – but the thought of cheering for a team beloved by Ted Kennedy or John Kerry makes me sick to my stomach) …..I explained that while the outcome was SAD, this was not REAL tragedy…….
January 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by how dumb can some Americans be #640
dumb,
…your post speaks VOLUMES…
…towards answering the query of your chosen moniker…
…which you might want to consider changing to…
…oh say…
…”inbred mushroom” or “scared thoughtless”…
January 15th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSkepticism about the new Congress is healthy, but I really think we need to give them a chance to get the ball rolling here. Congress has SO MUCH TO DO because of what was neglected the past two years that it’s going to take time for all issues to come to fruition. Some may have put Iraq as the number one thing to take care of. Others want more immediate action on the minimum wage or global warming. Well, there are only so many hours in the day, and there is a LOT of paperwork to do in the interim. Let’s give these guys a chance here. Remember that Bush’s “escalation” surge or whatever, wasn’t around during the election and all the planning they had for this year (for instance, with the 100 hours thing). Don’t let Bush give you a bad taste about the new Congress yet. He’s DOING THIS ON PURPOSE. He’s already lost, so he’s going to take down as many as he can so that there is an off-chance that pure disgust all around will lead to another neocon president and, the necons hope, more lock-step conservatives in congress in ‘08. DON’T LET THAT HAPPEN!
Write letters, make phone calls, be as active as you want, but don’t let the neocons burn you out on your only hope to restore America to what it once was. Since there is no realstic way to immediately get a fleet of liberal independents into office, the Democrats are your only hope right now.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIf by “achool” you mean “alcohol” then you are right. Nobody can outdrink the dubya.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“When republicans make fun of ‘book learning’ people, ie people who can read… we end up with a president blind to facts, who makes them up as he goes.”
Yes. Knowing is bad. :^)
January 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmHmmm, now who’s the dictator?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmDear Parrot – You forget Ted “Breast Stroke”, and Chris Dodd….
January 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmBush always so nice.Another war in mind.Irak it’s not just enough, now it’s time to Iran to cry and die.With Irak War just losed, now it’s a land to jump to Iran.But Bush is wrong, i don’t like his foreign policy.
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January 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“Write letters, make phone calls, be as active as you want, but don’t let the neocons burn you out on your only hope to restore America to what it once was.” – comment by parrotlover
******Dear Parrot – You mean like the “good ol’ days” when Dems interred the Japanese or the “good ol’ days” when Dems treated terrorists like bank robbers? You mean the “good ol’ days” when authorities let terror sympathizers raise money to blow us up – and keep it in US banks – or the “good ol’ days” when nobody dared register concern that 6 Muslim “clerics” don’t take their assigned seats on a plane…. Yeah, THOSE were the ‘good ol’ days”…..
January 15th, 2007 at 2:34 pmIndeed, he’s looking very Ahmaninejad-esque with his tie-less, un-buttoned shirt. Right-wingers, feel free to question his patriotism.
Or is it only a problem when Democrats dress like that?
January 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWow, quite impressive thread volume. Now if you filter out the mental diarrhea of our right of idiocy trolls it’s not as long anymore.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pmDoes it make any sense to respond to some intersting arguments? Maybe not, as a 650+ thread is too overwhelming.
Cheerioh Mr. Winterbottom!
ItsJustKarma – It’s always worth a try. Don’t let the trolls succeed in destroying the threads. They are choosing to be ignorant, so I choose to ignore them.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:47 pmComment by VERY TRUE~^”? — January 15, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
For the sake of accuracy, let’s get something straight. No one has been drafted since the early 70’s. Men were still required to register until about 1975 or 6, when they turned 18. After Reagan was elected, registration was reinstated for men born after January 1, 1960, on their 18th birthday. They are still required to register today. So, JMH could’ve turned 18 and registered for the draft in 1985 and be about 39 or 40 today. The math all works.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmBanks issue warning possible strike by March 2007 and its impact on the market.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:51 pmhttp://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Major_investment_bank_issues_warning_on_0115.html
I’m Jason M. Hendler. I fux ma sister. Ima Intranet Badass!
January 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPFC Hendler, Thanks for sharing your close encounter with the military. As others have said, there was no draft in 1985 or anytime since. And as you know, the US has operated since the early 1970s with a volunteer military force–until Bush’s wild illegal adventure in Iraq.
You may also know that Rep. Murtha has spoken out numerous times about the danger and tragedy of our depleted overextended military. Murtha said it will take more than a generation to restore our services to pre-Bush status. This assessment, from a 37-year Marine Vet, scares me to death. We have totally screwed our military forces by the botched four year (and counting) occupation of Iraq.
Perhaps this will help you understand the passion behind so many of the posts on this link. If you continue to blindly support Bush and his illegal dangerous arrogant policies, you deserve the chastizement you get here. If you continue to support Bush–in light of all the evidence we have about this War based on repeated lies–then you are a fool.
If you are almost forty years old, it is time to expand your information base so that you know what is going on with the Bush administration. This week, start with Frederick “Father of the Surge” Kagan. He’s a Neo-Con and a sham. Bush’s plan is his plan.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Yes, the REAL tragedy would have been if your dead daughter would have lived, and become a Democrat!
Tell us that joke again, MA…it was SOOO funny the first time!
January 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmoh, and 9/11 was most likely committed by a faction within our own government.
Please try and explain the cell phone calls from the air….
January 15th, 2007 at 4:49 pmYes, the REAL tragedy would have been if your dead daughter would have lived, and become a Democrat!
Tell us that joke again, MA…it was SOOO funny the first time!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 15, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark!
January 15th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDear Braid Faire – I understand why you can’t empathize with Mr. Aphrodite’s football “tragedy” – they don’t let NFL players wear skirts on the field.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“…..daughter would have lived, and become a Democrat!…” – Comment by braidFairy
********No Braid – the tragedy is she didn’t grow up. Being a Dem is only a tragedy if you’re as old as some of our “sage” senior Progs. ANYONE who explores HOW and WHY the Democrat machine ruins major US cities, families, health care, civil litigation CAN become a responsible Conservative.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:50 pm“oh, and 9/11 was most likely committed by a faction within our own government. Please try and explain the cell phone calls from the air….”
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
*******Doodooodooodoooodoooodoooo….have you noticed the men in the little white coats (carrying a big butterfly net and straight jacket) behind you – they’re NOT from Homeland Security….. I think you’ve been watching too much Jack Bauer on 24…..
January 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pmDear Polyps – May I compliment you on your apt moniker. Your statement is disgusting and pathetic. How did you get to use the computer while incarcerated? I thought Skinheads, Bloods, Crips and the Mexican Mafia had called a truce?
January 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmHas anybody pointed out to Fox News that Bush is wearing a open-collared shirt, no necktie, and a suit jacket, the same style of dress worn by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:10 pmDear Parrot – You forget Ted “Breast Strokeâ€, and Chris Dodd….
Comment by Mightette Hypocrite, from the district that several times elected jailbird Randy “Duke” Cunningham.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:16 pmDear Lora – That’s what I like about you, Lora. You have NO originality and you KNOW it….. We didn’t re-elect Crooked Cunnigham after his crimes were exposed unlike the “good”(HA!) people of Massachusetts or Wille “COLD cash” Jefferson…… Lora, (an aside)has any one told you that a brick has a better sense of humour than you……I know it is a Progs DUTY to be serious (after all how can people laught and enjoy their day if people are starving in the world?)
January 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm“Dear Lora – That’s what I like about you, Lora. You have NO originality and you KNOW it….. We didn’t re-elect Crooked Cunnigham after his crimes were exposed unlike the “goodâ€(HA!) people of Massachusetts or Wille “COLD cash†Jefferson…… Lora, (an aside)has any one told you that a brick has a better sense of humour than you……I know it is a Progs DUTY to be serious (after all how can people laught and enjoy their day if people are starving in the world?) Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2007 @ 6:48 pm”
****But we did re-elect *real-estate-genius* and *pervert-protector* Hastert just to show everyone how *honest*, *moral* and *upstanding* we are! I was rather shocked to see your *librul* speakette remove COLD CASH from the house leadership – what *wimps*! We *conservatives* reward our crooks with positions of power!
Heck if it weren’t for us being a minority party that has to rely on independents and democrats to elect our officials, they’d probably all get re-elected like Hastert!
Isn’t it great how we *conservatives* always give our politicians a *free-pass*, but expect you *libruls* to behave like the *good-christians* and *good-jews* we all *claim* to be!
Dam lying *libruls*! Don’t keep removing your crooked political figures from power – you make us look bad!
January 15th, 2007 at 7:20 pm“*******Doodooodooodoooodoooodoooo….have you noticed the men in the little white coats (carrying a big butterfly net and straight jacket) behind you – they’re NOT from Homeland Security….. I think you’ve been watching too much Jack Bauer on 24….. Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2007 @ 5:55 pm”
And don’t be made at me for *dodging* them, by telling them that you were me! After all, how else can I keep my citizenship, when my loyalties lie with Israel! It’s a good thing I have such powerful friends in the government that will let me blame the *libruls* for my insanity!
January 15th, 2007 at 7:21 pm“Dear Braid Faire – I understand why you can’t empathize with Mr. Aphrodite’s football “tragedy†– they don’t let NFL players wear skirts on the field. Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2007 @ 5:42 pm”
****That’s why when we go at it, I wear those little tight pants, so I can be just those studs he’s imagining that are banging him with their vulgar *angry-inch*!
January 15th, 2007 at 7:26 pm“HEY Chris Landee — HAVE YOU LEFT WING LIBERAL KOOL AID DRINKERS RUN OUT OF THINGS TO CRITISIZE PRESIDENT BUSH???? NOW YOUR PISSED BECAUSE HE DOESN’T DRESS LIKE A NARROW MINDED TRAILER TRASH LIBERAL DEMONCRAT — IN SHORTS, A TORN T-SHIRT, AND FLIP-FLOPS!!!!!! DAMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 7:35 pm”
****Dear Sir swears-a-lot. Why must you trash the *nascar* bread and butter of our *conservative* party? Without trailer-trash voting against black people, jews and minorities – the republican party would never get anyone elected! I suggest you show more respect to our trailer-trash core of the republican party!
January 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmLora, (an aside)has any one told you that a brick has a better sense of humour than you.
You have NO originality and you KNOW it…..
Question and blather by Mightette Hypocrite
Only you, dear, and that’s because your humor is at such a low level that you think telling dead child jokes are cute and funny. As for originality, your Ted the Swimmer or Breast Stroke Ted has become terribly hackneyed. We all know about Ted Kennedy’s unfortunate accident, just as we know about Laura Welch Bush’s and former S. Dakota Guv Janklow’s. It’s about time you got some new talking points, Mightette Aphid.
January 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmPs., Mightette Aphid,
January 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmYou people couldn’t re-elect Randy Duke Cunningham because he was forced to resign his seat before being carted off to prison. That means he didn’t re-run.
This post is about Bush’s arrogant comments on 60 Minutes last night, where he says he will escalate the War, Congress be damned. HE says HE can do whatever HE wants without consulting our Congress. HE never bothered to read Article I of the US Constitution.
We all know what would have happened on Nov. 7th if Bush revealed his “plan” to escalate the War before the election. Take a guess. Put down your money. How many GOP Representatives would be left in Congress? Not very many.
Add Bush’s postponed announcement of the war’s escalation to his overflowing boatload of lies. Lies, lies, and more lies.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pm“THE ONLY PLAN THAT THOSE LEFT WING LIBERAL BOMB THROWERS HAVE IS STRING UP THE WHITE FLAG AND SURRENDER…. Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:21 pm”
****Dear lord know it all. While I share your hatred for those peacenik *libruls*, can you please explain how they can be peaceniks, bomb throwers, and surrenderers at the same time? I hate to *contradict* a fine conservative such as yourself, but those terms are what people that care about *facts* and *logic* call – mutually exclusive.
“THOSE LEFT WING COWARDS SURE SOUND AND LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRENCH EVERYDAY —NOW THEIR IS A COUNTRY THAT IS AN EXPERT AT SURRENDERING…. Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:21 pm”
****Dear lord know it all, thanks for admitting what we all know, that we’ve surrendered the *sovereignty* of america to protect Israel – the chosen country! Surrender is exactly what the *libruls* know, and they for once are right! We have *surrendered* our army, our security, and our well being in order to fight in a civil war, and to protect our true government of *Israel*! Good work!
January 15th, 2007 at 8:29 pmCongress returns to session tomorrow morning and the offices of all Senators and Representatives open at 9:00am EST. Every American who is appalled by Bush’s statements on 60 Minutes and Cheney’s statements on FOX must call to demand that Congress take action. Thank you.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pmTo #660 Savana: Thanks for the insights about the draft and the Army fighting in Iraq. You are right. Anyone who supports Bush’s War should sign up today.
PS to everyone: (shhhh) Don’t tell Sir Greg–but no one is listening to his rants tonight. He can’t be for real.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pm… meanwhile, on planet Earth, all the sane people slowly shake their heads in pity.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:55 pmOh thanks for ruining the continuity of my post, Lucinda! :P
January 15th, 2007 at 8:56 pmBush is the current Tsar and should be obeyed without question.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:59 pm“Dear I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool — I AM GLAD THAT YOU HAVE FINALLY SHOWN YOUR TRUE COLORS… YOUR NOT ONLY A LEFT WING LIBERAL SCREW BALL BUT YOUR AN ANTI-SEMITE TOO… NOT ONLY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, HATE GEORGE BUSH, HATE ALL CONSERVATIVES, HATE ALL CHRISTIANS, YOU ARE SELF-LOATHING JEW!!!!! WE WILL PROTECT OUR GREAT ALLY, ISRAEL TO THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!!! Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:41 pm”
****Dear lord know it all, I’m so glad to hear we are on the same side in our fight to protect Israel at all costs! You’re such a great zionist, and please join me in our efforts to put all of the *koranimals* in furnaces so we can bake them and serve them up with tea!
“YOU LEFT WING LIBERAL JERKS THROW BOMBS AT THE PRESIDENT AND VP AT THE SAME TIME SCREAMING FOR US TO SURRENDER IN IRAQ!!!! YOUR MISTAKE IS ASSUMING THAT LEFT WING LIBERAL ASS HOLE ARE ABLE TO THINK LOGICALLY — IMPOSSIBLE… Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:41 pm”
****We can never surrender, or treat those *koranimals* as equals! They’re just good for a *stew*, at least the ones that aren’t too old and stringey to eat!
“ISRAEL IS GOING TO BOMB THE NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT SITES IN IRAN WITHIN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS…. I SAY THAT ISRAEL SHOULD BOMB IRAN INTO A PARKING LOT FOR IRAQ….. Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:41 pm”
****Super, that means the *rapture* will be here soon, and the *messiah* will finally make Israel the ruler of all the world! That’s great! We zionists so appreciate your undying and unquestioning loyalty! Who needs peace, or to co-exist with these *koranimals*, they don’t have souls, the devil worshipers anyway!
January 15th, 2007 at 9:03 pm“Dear Mark Wilde — I WILL CALL ALL THE OFFICES OF REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS — EVEN THE LEFT WING LIBERAL ASS HOLES AND DEMAND THAT BARBARA BOXER BE CENSORED FOR HER DISGUSTUNG REMARKS!!!!Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 15, 2007 @ 8:46 pm”
****Dear lord know it all! I agree! How awful, and vulgar is it to point out that Condi has no immediate family that would die in Iraq, just like the Senator! What a horrible thing to do! I mean, we shouldn’t be so sensitive on the *right*, and assume she’s being criticized just because she’s a childless lesbian. Look how long it took Cheney’s daughter to have a child! Condi just hasn’t found the right woman yet, to settle down with! Shame on them for stating so clearly that this is what we’re so freaked out about!
January 15th, 2007 at 9:05 pmmercy me. dark days are upon us
http://mammals.wordpress.com
January 15th, 2007 at 9:57 pmAt the top of the story here, after the 60 Minutes clip, is the link to “Legal Scholars on the right and on the left agree that Congress has the legal power to prevent an escalation” of Bush’s War. Let us work toward this end and uphold the US Constitution while we still can. Tell Bush NO.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:33 pmDOWN WITH THE US CONSTITUTION AND DOWN WITH ALL LEFTIE JERKS. YOU LIKE LEFT WING LESBIANS. I LIKE CONDALIESSA RICE.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:00 pmWHEE…OFF THE MEDS AGAIN TONIGHT…QUIT YOUR LEFT WING LIBERAL BITCHING ABOUT CONGRESS…BUSH TOLD YOU HE WANTED A DICTATORSHOP AND HE GOT ONE…HE CAN SEND ALL OUR TROOPS TO IRAQ…ALL POWER TO BUSH YOU ASSHOLE Lucinda!!!
January 15th, 2007 at 11:09 pmCool, over 700 posts on this thread. Can we try for 1,000?
January 15th, 2007 at 11:56 pm[...] Think Progress » Bush: I’m Sending More Troops To Iraq No Matter What Congress Does The Day Democracy Died (tags: bush war politics democracy) [...]
January 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amJeebus….
Hey ya’ll, thanks for holding Nevins here.
Heh.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amTo #640, do you honestly believe all the propaganda being spread about Pol Pot? Do you honestly believe that he killed that many people in less than four years between 1975-79? I slightly doubt it. The American corporate media will use propaganda to make a progressive government look bad.
To #664, Polyps, please keep your racist, anti-semitic postings off this list.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amYou mean like the “good ol’ days†when Dems interred the Japanese.
Blather from Mightette Hypocrite
As you should well know, it has been widely acknowledged that locking up the Japanese-Americans during WWII was FDR’s biggest mistake and that the survivors and their families have been apologized to and given compensation. I’m a bit surprised that you are still using this talking point, as the only ones defending the racial profiling of Japanese-Americans during WWII are Michelle Malkin and other neo-CONs on your side.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:58 amSomebody’s got their boxers in a knot this morning, eh, Sir Nevins? Jolly good comments you’ve posted here. Love those CAPS.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:21 amDear Greg – The best way to deal with Progs and Progettes who are as crude and vulgar as some of the posters here – ignore them or humour them….There are a few who make interesting “arguments” – most of them don’t. Those who do not are generally unemployed, poorly educated, extremely envious of others’ positive choices in life, and vulgarly crude. I have been referred to in the most vile and disgusting terms – can you imagine how mentally twisted such contributors ARE? They are to be pitied……My posts here are a form of kindness and charity. Can you imagine how dull and uneventful this place would be without alternative viewpoints???????
An aside Judd – Congrats on hitting 700+ posts! I think that is an example of supply side economics……
January 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amIf this 110th Congress does not put a stop to this MADNESS, The American people are going to have to. This “Chicken Hawk” who was AWOL from his unit in time of war must be removed, Along with his Administration! Congress should start Impeachment proceedings ASAP. This great country of ours was never intended to be run by a Dictator. And by putting himself in the position of Flagrantly ingnoring our Constitution and Bill of Rights, He has by his own actions made himself the most dangerous person in the world. We must remember he has his finger on the nuclear button and will not hesitate to use it. A million person march on Washington while he is at the White House may shake him up, But will not stop him. One way or another He, Cheney, Rice et al must go. The American people should pray and take action in the form of writing your Congressman and TELL them to IMPEACH DUBYA.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:56 pmhuge post volume – too bad half of it is Nevins’ hysterical bleatings and the snide smoke that MA blows like the machines at a Metallica concert. hardly worth the bandwidth.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIMPEACH
IMPRISON
(and don’t be distracted by hysterical ninnies who don’t have the will of the majority behind them, and really never did)
January 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTom – which category do you fall into? “….generally unemployed, poorly educated, extremely envious of others’ positive choices in life, and vulgarly crude.” ?
January 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pm49. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 14, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Here is an interesting question, if/when Congress declares of a war, can they then UN-declare it?
Congress did not declare war, Bush did and he delcared war on the world… “hello”
January 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pm[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/14/bush-congress-iraq/ [...]
January 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pmGreg – Speaking of Jimmeh”I hate Jews” Carter, John Edwards sure has the 39th President all over his website….Hmmmmm…..
January 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pm.Sir Knucklehead! I would guess by your belief’s that you are A, Anon-vet!
January 16th, 2007 at 4:58 pmB. The closest you were to a real war is watching The History Channel!
C. You would blow the sock’s off DUBYA if you had the chance!
D. You are not an American citizen!
E. You have never fathered a child, because you have the other apparatus for women!
F. Your only education came from a Right Wing Think tank!
G. You make me so sick I would eliminate you should the chance arise!
H. Go back to the Dictatorial country you came from!
I. You and Rice could double dildo!!!!!!!!!
Mighty Aphid,
January 16th, 2007 at 5:44 pmYOur “newfound firend” Sir Greg Neverneverland wrote on another thread that he thinks all lawyers should be thrown to the bottom of the ocean. Of course, that probably doesn’t mean you, since most of us here don’t believe you are actually an attornyette.
Lora – As slow as you are, I KNOW the turtle would win….I pointed out to Greg his ONE minor flaw of that post – “EXCEPT Mighty Aphrodite.” Please catch up…..
January 16th, 2007 at 6:14 pmMadame Knucklehead. I believe I rang your Neo-Conic bell!
January 16th, 2007 at 6:42 pmYou do not deny any of my statements about you. My war injuries left me in a wheel chair and fully disabled. Your cowerdice along with your hero- DUBYA, LEFT YOU ABLE TO FUNCTION WITH EVERYTHING BUT YOUR BRAIN!!! Bush deserted his post in Alabama and his political connections saved him! He should have been given a General Court Martial and sentenced to at least ten years in Levenworth!!! PLEASE GO BACK TO CANADA OR WHERE EVER YOU CAME FROM AND LEAVE THIS THREAD!!! YOUR MOTHER KNOW’S YOU ARE AN S.O.B.
I pointed out to Greg his ONE minor flaw of that post – “EXCEPT Mighty Aphrodite.†Please catch up…..
Comment by mighty hypociite
Don’t flatter yourself that I have the time or interest in reading all your posts. Anyway, Sir Neverneverland’s idea of throwing all lawyers into the ocean wouldn’t affect you, since you only pretend to be one.
January 16th, 2007 at 7:42 pmMadame Knucklhead, I forgot to mention that the top Neo-Con in this country, Cheney has a daughter who is expecting a 7 1/2ib spitball. They sure knew how to raise children. You lie when you say you were born in this country! You are like DUBYA, EACH TIME HIS MOUTH OPEN’S, A LIE POP’S OUT. You Madame knucklehead are an imposter and probably an agent for a foreign country. You can learn nothing here, SO JUST GO AWAY, AWAY, AWAY!!!!!! You are not man enough to carry the considerable amount of medals presented to me by my country!! Before you go, PLEASE TELL US WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND IF YOU EVADED MILITARY SERVICE THERE AS DUBYA and CHENEY did in my country!!!!!!! Keep watching the History Channel to see what WAR is really like!!!!!!
January 16th, 2007 at 9:14 pmDid anyone wonder Satan could have cummed Barbara’s while she was conceiving Dubya? That explain how retarded he is.
January 17th, 2007 at 1:33 amNevins – come on up to Poulsbo WA and face me like a man.
January 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIf you whiners would stop hating Bush so much, you’d recognized that he’s already volunteered the information which indicates that he was in the loop on the very beginning of the supposedly-secret supposedly-terrorist 9/11 attacks:
http://911blimp.net/aud_BushImplicatesBush.shtml
The only known video did not surface until after dark, so what [secret/unknown] video did Bush watch that morning??????????????????????????????????
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:12 pmThe system is a big lie. They tell you, it is a “democracy with free press where you can vote and express yourself as you want”. But the truth is that the system does not care about the fact that you can vote or express yourself as you want, actually they need you to have the feeling that nothing can be better, so they can tell you: “what else do you want? you have democracy and freedom of expression already!!”. That is not a problem for them as long they can control the mass media channels and they invade them with lots of lies so that you think what they want you to think, so that you support their intentions and wills. This is the war in Iraq. A big bunch of lies with which the media has collaborated with spreading them. The media has collaborated with the White House and the Pentagon in the strategy to avoid that it happens what happened during the War of Vietnam. There are three main things the White House and the Pentagon have worked specially on: to avoid that your son or daughter can go there to die, that is, avoiding drawing lots, the very unpopular thing that makes a society become tired of a war very fast, so that it is happening now that most of the soldiers now in Iraq are poor people and immigrants, together with a small bunch of volunteers sons of some politicians that never get into combat. The second thing the have worked on is in hiding to the American citizens the terribly huge number of victims caused by this war among the Iraqi people, so that the American citizen does not have the chance to think “How is it possible that we are killing 660.000 people, causing a very probably triple or bigger number or wounded and disabled people, destroying the whole country, just to bring them our ( of course fake) democracy?”, this would make the people think at least: “This is not how we should spread the democracy in the World”. And the third thing the White House and the Pentagon have worked with help of the mass media is in telling you: “Support your troops or if not then you are not a patriot”. They try to avoid what happened in the Vietnam War. They try to confuse the people telling you that you must shut up, that you must not complain or raise doubts about the reasons of the attack to Iraq, that if you do it then that means you do not support the US troops, that then you are not a good American. It is a real evil way of manipulation. You may love your country, and you may not agree with a war just because you love your country and you don’t want your young kid be killed there for a bunch of lies.
January 27th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThe system is so that the truth does not matter, what matters it is only the appearance. The fact is that in the end there is no weapons of mass destruction, there is no links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, that the Pentagon and Mr. Cheney helped Sadam to bomb the Kurds, and that is why with so much rush they had Sadam be killed charged with killing Shiites, before it could be a proposal for charging him for the killings of the Kurds, to come out then the White House and trying to make us believe that it was an act of the government of Iraq itself, a puppet government to which Bush and Condoleezza several times had threaten that if it does not do what the Pentagon and the White House expect from it to do then another alternatives for a government in Iraq may be taken in account, that is, a puppet government that everything they do is monitored by the White House. By the way in the next weeks the government of Iraq is working on a legislation that will allow the American companies to tap the oil resources of the country. This is the democracy the wanted to bring to Iraq. The prestigious magazine Lancet that suggests that the US misadventure in Iraq is responsible for setting off the killing of twice as many civilians as Saddam managed to polish off in 25 years, A careful Johns Hopkins study http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-10-10-iraq-dead_x.htm
has estimated that between 420,000 and 790,000 Iraqis have died as a result of war and political violence since the beginning of the US invasion in March, 2003. Most of these victims killed by actions of the “Coalitionâ€. Only for the oil. The figure was getting so big that a measure had to be taken. The only measure that they thought of was having the UN reporting that in last year 34,000 people died in Iraq. So the people think of this figure and not of the previous one. The difference is that the 660,000 first victims were mostly cause by the Coalition and now the victims are mostly cause by the Civil War that the US has caused. This is the reason why only now that most of the victims are caused by the sectarian violence the puppet Government of Iraq breaks the existing ban on giving out statistics. To whom does this ban benefit? Easy: to the Pentagon and the White House, that need to avoid this war become too much unpopular to keep on with their plans.
The United States is the biggest terrorist of the Earth since now no country feels safe knowing that if the do not comply with the economic and strategic demands of the White House they may be bombed and/or invaded, either if they have weapons of mass destruction or if not. They have learnt that the White House and the Pentagon will get the American citizens support the attack inventing infos and false conspiracies and threats to the USA. That is why North Korea and Iran are so much looking for such weapons. But we have to know that recently Jordania has announced also that they are going to pursue the nuclear development, and many other countries in the region are doing the same weapons like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. They don’t feel safe. Nobody feels safe now. This is the biggest terrorism caused by the USA. And it is not about democracy when everybody knows that the White House supported the dictatorships during the 60’s and 70’s and now it has among their allies Medieval Regimens like that one in Kuwait and Qatar. The United States overthrew and killed the democrately-elected Prime Minister in Iran with the covert Operation Ajax (1953), to remove his democratically-elected cabinet from power, to support the Pahlavi dynasty and consolidate the power of Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was a cruel dictatorship. A year later the CIA did the same in Guatemala. These are only some examples.
The White House only wants the Democracy for the countries that do not cooperate with its economic and strategic interests. It is not about democracy, but about putting a puppet government that satisfies them. This is the Global and biggest dictatorship. Poor World. Now, the World is not safer, it is terribly much more unfair and unsafe.
stop being so stubborn son : your hatred is blinding you
you don t care how many have to die right ? as long as you can impose your way
get real sunshine: your way is not working. period
February 21st, 2007 at 4:48 ammove over !
I think that bush is out of his mind sending more troops to iraq. All he doing is taking more lives and hearts from families.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:25 pmBUSH RULES!!!!4 more years!!!! oh yeah that’s right, only two terms allowed JOHN MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT Keeping America out of the hands of cowards like Kerry, Clinton, and Obama
March 2nd, 2007 at 6:16 am