ThinkFast: January 15, 2007
ThinkFast: January 15, 2007
“The handwritten personal papers of Martin Luther King Jr., including his sermons and the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech, will be on display in Atlanta today.”
$72.9 million: Amount that has been raised to fund a memorial to Martin Luther King, Jr. on the National Mall. The memorial is expected to cost $100 million.
The White House has denied a Guardian report that Bush is preparing to make an “historic shift” on global warming in his State of the Union address. “[The story] is inaccurate on all fronts,” a White House official said, “and especially regarding the State of the Union.”
The National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), which represents 45,000 churches, has joined with leading scientists to fight global warming. “Whether God created the Earth in a millisecond or whether it evolved over billions of years, the issue we agree on is that it needs to be cared for today,” said Rich Cizik of the NAE.
President Bush’s escalation plan is facing “some of its fiercest resistance from the very people it depends on for success: Iraqi government officials.”
Private contractors, civilian government employees, embedded journalists, and other civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan “could be subject for the first time to military courts-martial under a new federal provision.”
Frederick W. Kagan, an American Enterprise Scholar who “has the president’s ear” on Iraq and crafted the escalation plan, is actually not a “military expert,” according to a look at his resume.
And finally: After six years in office, President Bush has now spent one full year at Camp David. “Mark Knoller, CBS White House correspondent and the unofficial archivist for the White House press corps, reports on the CBS Web site that the Bushes took off Friday for their 116th visit to the beautiful presidential retreat and their 365th day there.” As of Jan. 1, Bush has spent 405 full or partial days at the Crawford ranch.
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Re Kagan. Since when has Bush ever regarded expertise in a field as a qualification to work for him? Loyalty and telling the preznit are what counts.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:49 amPresident Bush’s escalation plan is facing “some of its fiercest resistance from the very people it depends on for success: Iraqi government officials.â€
bush doesn't give a flip about this, all this bone head cares about is 'winning' so he doesn't end up looking like the biggest idiot ever to occupy the white house for getting us into this mess - for no damn reason. If this escalation doesn't work, he'll escalate again, and again, and again. He'll send every last troop we have and spend every dime we'll ever have in an effort to save his 'legacy'. He doesn't give a rat's ass what the Iraqis think, what the military thinks, what congress thinks, or what you and I think.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:56 amBush never appoints qualified people - why would he start now?
January 15th, 2007 at 10:03 amOnly friends and cronies need apply.
After watching W's performance on 60 minutes last night - we should be afraid, very afraid that this belligerent moron is in charge. He's got to go.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:10 amJob qualifications and competence are threatening to Bush. That is why he avoids these qualities in his appointees.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:10 amBasically the intellectual architect of the surge is an op-ed/Weekly Standard writer whose only substantive expertise is on Napoleon.
-Talking Points Memo / 1-14-07
Fred Kagan. Now here's a piece of work. Like our Secretary of Shoes, his studies addressed the Cold War & Russia. He has no Middle East expertise, no military experience, yet has the President's 'Ear'...& the President has his ass. But, he does say what W wants to hear. His initial 'splurge' was to encompass 80,000 troops. Now he's OK with 21,500.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:14 amI watched this ass clown on CSPAN telling a group of about 30 people how all this would work & how it would 'win' the Iraq war.
These are the kind of people the Neosluts have to use, becasue no one else is sleazy enough to write plans for a f*cked up mission. W didn't listen to the ISG recommendations, his Generals or Congress. But he listens to this stooge!
Keep your eye on the ball, folks. Iranina Omelot & Syrian toast, perhaps?
the Bushes took off Friday for their 116th visit to the beautiful presidential retreat and their 365th day there.†As of Jan. 1, Bush has spent 405 full or partial days at the Crawford ranch.
So he has taken two years of vacation in his presidency. Can he take the next two off also? Take the Dick Cheney with him please.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:19 amGood Morning all, we are all still here.....Please remember to email, write and phone all of the house and senate and demand Impeaching all this administration....They need to know we mean business as usual is not good enough.....Given the fact they have accomplished something more than the 109th isnt going to make all the voters quiet about the big issue...The sick rogue elephant's are still in the white house and have to be removed...The war is escilating and we are not going to allow the madman to lead any longer...Blessings.....Peace after Impeachment
January 15th, 2007 at 10:23 amIf you're in the business of questioning Kagan's competence, don't miss this nugget:
http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2007/01/surge_math.html
Kagan, December 2006: We need 50-80,000 troops for "surge".
Kagan, January 2007: 20,000 should do it.
Medal of Freedom time, methinks.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:24 amAnyone thought the government (any) would be against corporations? Maybe when they realise there is money in renewable energy systems.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:29 amThis just out 40 minutes ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16629656/
Sunnis have a new reason to be outraged. (somewhat graphic topic relating to the hanging of Saddam's half-brother.)
I wonder, are all the people who have knowledge of the U.S. supplying chemical and biological weapons to Iraq going to be hanged before those stories come out?
January 15th, 2007 at 10:30 amIt's nice to see Dr. Martin Luther King at the top of your page.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:35 amAs moving as Dr. King's words are regarding civil rights, it should not be forgotten that he also spoke out quite eloquently against war and violence. In a speech that he gave at the Riverside Church in New York, Dr. King said "I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today- my own government."
His words proved to be quite prescient, drawing an unmistakeable parallel today to the disaster in Iraq when he pointed out that "Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor in America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my own nation. The great initiative in this war is ours. The initiative to stop it must be ours."
If only today's leaders like the politically expedient Barack Obama had the courage and wisdom to emulate what Dr. King has said and apply it today to Iraq. If not, this country will continue to have its troops and the Iraqis die for the lies that have been put forth by this corrupt administration. Bring the troops home- safely- now.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:38 amA good number of Republican Senators and Congress member names will be on the ballots of 2008 elections ; they know that continue backing Bush policies will go on the record for their next elections,and push their standings even lower. They also know that Bush mind is not on his or theirs elections after he and Cheney finish their current terms. For Bush..he is not hoping to win elections again...he is looking for his place in history..something he has convinced himself that by achieving this long sought illusive 'victory in Iraq',then he has achieved his goals. But this long sought victory when it is achieved , or if there is one to be found or achieved will be costly in lives and money..but before this victory arrives, 'mission' must be defined with more clarity.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amI say Bush should give Kagan a Medal of Friedman.
-GSD
January 15th, 2007 at 10:45 am#15 - I like it.
Medal of Friedman: awarded to a person whose work gives the President a crucial six months before he has to admit to a total f*ck*p.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:52 amAnother news story:
Casey says results in Iraq won't be fast
In other words, there won't be any improvement in the situation on Bush's watch. In fact, things might even get worse, in which case, we'll have to send in another 20,000 troops, and extend the tour of duty to 3 years.
January 15th, 2007 at 10:56 amTehran stance "very negative" on Iraq: Gates
January 15th, 2007 at 11:01 amPresident Bush’s escalation plan is facing “some of its fiercest resistance from the very people it depends on for success: Iraqi government officials.â€
So, because of de-Baathification and the way the Iraqi government was set up, we don't have an Iraqi military we can count on to work with U.S. troops in the "surge" without them using it as a way of strengthening the Shiites' grip on the country. If Bush goes through with this, it is most likely going to move Iraq even closer to Iran. Simply unbelievable.
Every decision that the Great Decider has made has been disastrous. Each wrong decision has made it increasingly more difficult to find any kind of a right decision. Now there is no way to stay or to get out without leaving the Middle East in turmoil and resulting in much more bloodshed.
The moron is all out of last chances. He cannot be allowed to make any more of these decisions. It's gone too far. He's proven himself incapable of handling this responsibility. Do we really need to wait until Armageddon before prying his hands off of the reins?
Cheney said we can't have the war run by committee, and his right-wing fans have echoed that. How is it okay to have a war run by one person, especially one who refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with him; one who ignores his generals, foreign policy experts from his father's administration, respected members of his own party, and the wishes of the vast majority of Americans? This is no time to be timid. Shut him down before he destroys our country and half of the world along with it.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:04 amRev. King was Assassinated because He opposed the vile Vietnam War!
Monday 15th of January 2007
by Jay Randal
Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. dared to vigorously oppose the vile Vietnam War and he was assassinated for it.
Historians have mistakenly assumed he was killed for his stand on Civil Rights, but he was silenced because he strongly believed that the Vietnam War was wrong.
The warmongers in Washington, DC, were furious at King for telling the truth about Vietnam and desired his elimination before he persuaded public to end war.
Robert Kennedy, like Rev. King, knew that Vietnam War was wrong too, so he campaigned for president against the conflict and was assassinated for his view.
Both of them paid with their lives for opposing war, so Americans need to remember what they stood for, and never forget the price they paid trying to make peace.
The Iraq War is an outrage, just like Vietnam War, so it must be ended, but will others have to die for peace?
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
January 15th, 2007 at 11:13 amIf this incredible patriot (Martin Luther King) were alive today he'd be incredulous to see how far this country has descended in terms of freedom and personal rights. He'd be appalled to see such unchecked power abuse by this president. He'd be embarrassed to witness the antics of arrogrance, disregard for the will of the people, and imperialistic, aggregious offenses being paraded as democracy. This democracy is a sham in every sense of the word and it's time for the people to "wake up" and Impeach this president for high crimes and misdemeanors. It's TIME!
January 15th, 2007 at 11:16 amPrivate contractors, civilian government employees, embedded journalists, and other civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan
Thats why when these guys are caught they are beheaded they are treated in the same manner they treat others
January 15th, 2007 at 11:16 am"Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring — when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children — black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics - will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
Happy Birthday, Martin Luther King
January 15th, 2007 at 11:17 amNot sure why my post at 10:15am is deleted, while moronic posts like this are still visible:
BTW, BARBARA BOXER IS A REAL LEFT WING, OVER THE TOP, KUNT!!!!!
Comment by Sir Greg Nevins — January 14, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Nothing in my post was offensive, and albeit a little off topic, was none the less contributing to an open thread.
Sorry TP, but methinks I've had enough
January 15th, 2007 at 11:17 amThis is the most apropos time for King's legacy to come to the fore as it will shine some light on precisely why he was assassinated.....who was behind it....and how it was covered up by this country. We really haven't come very far when one ponders these questions, have we? In fact, we've regressed since MLK's time significantly. How much farther can this country descend? We're on the downhill spiral now which is evident and spiralling out of control with each passing day. Unfortunately, MLK's "dream" has turned into a bona fide "nightmare"....just look at New Orleans if you disagree.....then look at all of the domestic programs which will have to be cut or eliminated in order to "surge up" this debacle called Iraq. Bush will go down in history as the "PARIAH PRESIDENT" - who made such reprehensible mistakes that no one will care to admit that they were foolish enough to elect him as their president.
Iraq is "bush's legacy nightmare" - but then, no sociopath worries about nightmares and sleeps like a baby - Bush doesn't have a "dream" or a "nightmare"......"I sleep better than most american would think" or better said and truly what he meant is "I sleep better than most americans whose lives I've turned into a nightmare!".
January 15th, 2007 at 11:20 amThat Guardian piece claimed that its source was 10 Downing Street. Sounds like Bush lied to Blair (again).
January 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amGates will be have a warrant out for him too in Germany if He keeps this shit up
January 15th, 2007 at 11:23 amSorry TP, but methinks I’ve had enough
Comment by DRxJ
Sorry DRxJ, TP is f*cked up these days.
trueblue and robert are putting together email lists in case you would want to contact any of the other commenters, or allow us to contact you.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:23 amFrederick W. Kagan, an American Enterprise Scholar who “has the president’s ear†on Iraq and crafted the escalation plan, is actually not a “military expert,†according to a look at his resume.
In Bush World, Kagan is actually overqualified for the job.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:26 am365 at Damp David -- fine
405 days at Crawford Ranch -- ok
The rest of his days at Fort Leavenworth -- priceless
January 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amOn this day in remembrance of Dr. Martin Luther King--a Man of Peace we should remember our own choices and what we plan to do about the injustice in this country and the WAR. Time to bring our troops home now, time to send messages non-stop to our elected representatives. BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amIn ancient Egypt: Pharaohs who messed up like our Pres. Bush had their names chipped off of buildings and monuments and they ceased to exist in Egyptian history. This is what will happen to Bush someday: his name will be erased from all documents like he never existed.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amRome Burned while Nero, the fiddling despot, sat and watched. History has not been kind (and understandably so) to this obviously psychiatrically compromised emperor who facilitated and then watched (with glee?) the demise of the Roman Empire.
Have we not another Nero case right under our eyes at this moment in time? Have we not witnessed the hallmarks of profound psychiatric disease in the words and actions of George Bush?
Of course we have and one mus wonder how seriously physicians take their Oath of Hippocrates these days when they, also, observe evidence of serious psychiatric disease in one elected to office. Is it not their obligation to help someone so obviously in need and distress?
If the average person without medical education is left scratching their head following some of this man's comments, actions, etc., then one can only wonder what a medical profession who has seen this disease many times must be thinking.
One of the hallmarks of psychiatric illness is the inability to have personal insight which means that there is a sense of delusion/illusion present which disallows them to see what they truly are - i.e., never being able to admit making a mistake, never realizing how other people perceive them, hearing voices which aren't there (the voice of God is "textbook") and otherwise blasting their way through life living in a dual reality....where they are king and make all the rules (bipolar disorder) and listen to absolutely no one about anything.
What further evidence do we need? How much more damage can we afford at the hands of this obviously ill individual? How much further can we descend.
It's true that every addict, every psychiatrically compromised individual needs to reach their own nadir (bottom) before they can even begin to recognize that they are the source of their own problems. (Every business venture Bush has ever had has been bungled or otherwise destroyed until Daddy came in to rescue him).
what will bush's nadir be? how far down will we allow him to take this country? These are serious questions and decisions which the american people need to make before it's too late.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amGates should have been put in prison for fixing the Intel during #41's presidency. He's a fool to put himself back on the hotseat. This time there will be a warrant out for him in Germany. What a fool he was to allow himself to be sucked back in after he got out by the skin of his nose last time. He's an incompetent and a fool.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amDrxJ sez:
To which Zooey sez:
Second. As I've said in an earlier post, TP is circling the drain. Trolls are allowed free reign while legitimate posters get their posts deleted and their accounts banned, all without a single word of explanation.
TP, this is no longer a minority view. Look around...your support base is crumbling as a direct result of your mismanagement.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:45 am32 - Jay, that's too much like 1984. Europe has a different view. There, Concentration Camps still stand as a silent monument to the horrors that man can inflict upon man. I would prefer Bush be remembered as a constant warning about how easily this once-great country can slip into a dictatorship and become the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism, all in the name, and in name only, of spreading liberty and democracy.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amveritas > if Bush is verified as clinically mentally incompetent, then he would have to resign from the presidency. I believe that Bush Senior knows his son is insane, but does not care because he makes money from the Iraq War. Cheney has a verified sickly heart, and is unfit to take over as president, so he must resign for health reasons and for corruption too.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amCasey says results in Iraq won’t be fast
In other words, there won’t be any improvement in the situation on Bush’s watch. In fact, things might even get worse, in which case, we’ll have to send in another 20,000 troops, and extend the tour of duty to 3 years.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Though this would be appropriate:
"Every one wants instant results. What people do not realize is that we are building a new nation in here (Iraq). How long did it take for us to do that in the US after the Declaration of Independence? People here want a Constitution, but you can not just cut and paste one from the one we have in the US. Constitutions need to be written, and they are written in blood."
January 15th, 2007 at 11:54 am-GySgt "Big Daddy" Croft. 3rd Recon Bn. A Co., USMC
Faire I agree with you, but government historians would prefer to erase Bush's history or to pretty it up with concocted fallacy. For example: Pres. Ford was a certified dunce, but at his funeral he was praised as a great president. If the choice is between Bush being praised as great, or erased from history, then erasing him is better.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amToday is a day of ambivalence for me...
...because of the supreme sacrifices of people like Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Viola Liuso, and Schwarner, Chaney and Goodman...
...I have this nagging hope that real freedom, justice and equality are indeed just one great leader away in this "great experiment in democracy and diversity" that is America...
...but the cloud of the Bush administration's cancerous erosion of social, economic and moral development these past six years have made it difficult to maintain faith that "we (all people) will overcome (our own greed, prejudices, and hypocrisy)"...
...I long for an end to this nightmare....
... that is the evil, destructive Republican, conned'self-servative strangle- hold on this country's political, economic and social institutions and debate...
...Knowing that civil rights saints like the ones mentioned above are not smiling down on us at this time in our history (when technology offers us such great opportunities to advance the human condition)...
...makes me very sad...
January 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmHere is a quandry ....
Do libs prefer to live out in the woods, close to nature, where their presence contaminates those woods, or do they prefer to live in urban heat islands?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:26 pmDo libs prefer to live out in the woods, close to nature, where their presence contaminates those woods, or do they prefer to live in urban heat islands?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Only if they live in a secular nation where Christianity is the preferred religion, ol' Ivy league Stanford boy.
Then again, this may not be the true JMH posting
January 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#42: which of those two would a Conservative choose?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIf we, as a country, have ever really "prayed", then it is time to enlist the spiritual presensc of this great Patriot-Saint of Freedom & Democracy known as The Rev. Dr.Martin Luther King who gave up his life for his beliefs, who gave up his life to the evils of his day who sought nothing more than to snuff out his personal "light"... to implore him to empower us with the wisdom to do what's right, the fortitude to withstand the clutches of an imperial presidency, the will to do our individual parts in standing up to unchecked presidential power, and to, once again, have those timeless, appropriate words on the tips of our tongues: "We Shall Overcome".... This is Dr. King's legacy and mandate.....This is our new mandate - that is to do "whatever it takes" (which means impeachment) to put a bridle on this renegade administration who have trampled our civil rights before our very eyes, who have used our constitution as toilet paper, who have denegraded every office which once held respect in the history of this country.....
Yes, Dr. King's legacy lives on - in the hearts & minds of the american people....his words were never more appropriate than they are today and, yes, he is providing us each with additional courage to stand up to the administration of lies and corruption which are the hallmark of the Bush Presidency.
Every american (and especially those who misjudged and misplaced their votes for this wolf in sheep's clothing) need to recognize that the "people" are the power - that "the people" elect these jokers in office and pay their weekly paychecks....and that this is still a government "of the people" "by the people" and "for the people" although it is cloaked under a miasma of darkness and evil at this moment......beneath this cloud of doom lies a once-great country and it's time for us to fight.....not in Iraq....but in our own country. It's is time for us to stand up and be counted and to fight for what we know to be truth.....not some fictionalized, Orwellian version of spin & lies......to stand up and be counted and viewed by our children as having the courage and "guts" to bring this country back to greatness. It can be done.....one person at a time.....and the time is now to stand up for what we believe.
Until these past 6 years, America has never been defined as hypocritical; in 6 short years, we've come to epitomize everything evil, twisted, and delusional.....where lies reign supreme and truth gets twisted into deceit. We've been manipulated by master manipulators who live in a fictionalized, computerized board game called "the great american experiment". All this at the expense of the very people it claims to serve.
This is the largest hypocrisy of it all.....that this country cares a damn about it's own people. They care about nothing except filling their corporate and personal coffers with money....lining their mansions with gold....off the backs of the people who believed in them.
Out, Out damn spot of corruption! Out with all of the charlatans parading as decent, moral human beings.....shapeshifters - all of them!
January 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pm#39: How well do you know Orwellian-speak? Brush up on it and you'll see precisely how it all goes....
January 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pm...oops, I meant #41.
Also, here's another quandry: Would a Conservative rather live in a country that was not founded on Christianity but rather on religious freedom, or in a country which is founded on Christianity, but where the poor are considered a burden on the wealthy?
January 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pm...Trolls are allowed free reign while legitimate posters get their posts deleted and their accounts banned, all without a single word of explanation...
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Legitimate Poters? The trolls have as much right to post comments here as you so-called legitimate posters do. If your posts are being deleted and your accounts are being banned, it's your own fault. Your behaviors are so hate-filled, so vicious, and so over the top that you make the trolls look innocent.
January 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pm$72.9 million: Amount that has been raised to fund a memorial to Martin Luther King, Jr. on the National Mall. The memorial is expected to cost $100 million.
While I am all for a MLK Memorial, this reminds me why I left the Architectural Profession.... I think about what $100 million could do in terms of health care, meals to the starving, population control education, general education, preventing child abuse, and soon, and it seems somehow immoral to spend that kind of money on a monument for someone who probably would have wanted the money to go to such Humanitarian causes instead...
January 15th, 2007 at 12:59 pmYour behaviors are so hate-filled, so vicious, and so over the top that you make the trolls look innocent.
TP's unofficial troll liason puts in his two cents.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:00 pmDo libs prefer to live out in the woods, close to nature, where their presence contaminates those woods, or do they prefer to live in urban heat islands?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Perhaps the better question is do neocons prefer living in highrises in Florida that will eventuallybe 20 miles off the new coastline (courtesy of Global Warming), or do they prefer to sleep under their work desks at night to show their loyalty to the Corporate America machine?
January 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pmUnbelievable, will the work be done by local contractors? It would be fitting if blacks were the ones hired to do the work, and would certainly be good for the local economy, as well.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:03 pmAs of Jan. 1, Bush has spent 405 full or partial days at the Crawford ranch.
No wonder the country is such a chaotic mess.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:05 pm365 at Damp David — fine
405 days at Crawford Ranch — ok
The rest of his days at Fort Leavenworth — priceless
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am
LOL
January 15th, 2007 at 1:10 pmUnbelievable, will the work be done by local contractors? It would be fitting if blacks were the ones hired to do the work, and would certainly be good for the local economy, as well.
Comment by barfly — January 15, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Nice thought, but in America, government work goes to the lowest bidder... And I think we know that that generally means illegal workers, not actual Americans who actually want these jobs. It's how they manage to undercut the competition...
January 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmDo libs prefer to live out in the woods, close to nature, where their presence contaminates those woods, or do they prefer to live in urban heat islands?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Is this really for real?
January 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pm#55- unbelievable. ...[Nice thought,but in America,government work goes to the lowest bidder...And I think we know that that generally means illegal workers,not actual Americans who actually want these jobs.It is how they manage to undercut the competition].... Not if you are Halliburton in Iraq.....you need no-bidding to get the contracts....Regarding hiring illegals,Halliburton and others in the gulf states and in Iraq bring these poor people from India,Thailand,Philippine and many other poor countries....
January 15th, 2007 at 1:24 pmAnd finally: After six years in office, President Bush has now spent one full year at Camp David.
I think I heard it said, "Chimpin' ain't easy".
January 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pm[...] a good link to more martin luther king jr day from think progress: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/15/thinkfast-january-15-2007/ [...]
January 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLet's not 'Beat Around the Bush'...
January 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmFred Kagan is just as qualified on Iraq as Bush.
There.
Neither have any qualifications at all.
Just like Rabid Rush using Obama's middle name, Hussein, as a qualifier to be suspicious of him as a candidate.
No, you can't mention Bush had zero Federal level experience, nor that any business he was slipped in by Daddy to run went bankrupt.
Or Sean Insannity having a 'problem' with Ellison photo-opping with a Qu'ran, while Bush appoints a Muslim as our UN ambassador.
Hypocritical criminals, the lot of 'em, I tell 'ya!
How does this compare to past presidencies? I imagine it has to be pretty up there as the most vacationing president ever, but I really want to see some numbers. Anybody have any info? Any historians out there? I wish I had one year of vacation for every three years work. Hell, I wish I had half that!
January 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmIs this really for real?
Comment by ForTruth — January 15, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
With Hendler, it's possible. He does have that pompous jerk aspect to him.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmNot if you are Halliburton in Iraq…..you need no-bidding to get the contracts….
There are usually exceptions, but in general, work done in America goes to the lowest qualified bidder. I've been through the process several times as I've worked on government projects.
Regarding hiring illegals,Halliburton and others in the gulf states and in Iraq bring these poor people from India,Thailand,Philippine and many other poor countries….
Comment by tarazan — January 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
I was trying to make the point that Bush says that we need to give amnesty to illegals in this country to do the jobs that Americans don't want- when there is no such thing. And adding by allowing these people to work, we are actually hurting the American health and economic systems in the long run.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pm#63.....Unbelievable....You are "believable". I got your point.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmYou are “believableâ€. I got your point.
Comment by tarazan — January 15, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
Cool.
I do agree with you that there is the Halliburton factor. I'm sure that it being out of teeh country, in the middle of a war zone allows them to get away with it more than they might at home. Though, as brazen as they have become, I don't put it past them to be doing the same here. I mean there was that whole post-Katrina corruption going on...
January 15th, 2007 at 2:12 pmAnd adding by allowing these people to work, we are actually hurting the American health and economic systems in the long run.
Comment by unbelievable
I have mixed opinions about this issue. I live in Mexico and there are regions where men has left in order to give some food to their families sending money from the US. Its really a sad, sad story. By "these people" I guess you mean illegal workers: how do they hurt the American health and economic systems if, in fact, they provide large profits to their employers while recieving very little in exchange?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pm#47, blah blah blah,
You either/or question seems to imply that a country founded on religious freedom (not Christianity) has wealthy individuals who do not consider the poor a burden ....
Can you name such a place? Even France considers the poor the nobles oblige (obligation of the rich), which means they accept them as a burden.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pm#51, unbee,
Tough choice, both are worthy pursuits ....
January 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmLOL - only on TP can a thread on hiring black workers to build the MLK monument turn into a bash session on Haliburton.
Are you saying that blacks can't compete, and won't EARN such a contract, as Halliburton does?
Personally, I would luv to see an all minority (black) contractor receive a fixed price contract to build the memorial, and have their progress tracked and audited, to, uh, demonstrate how far they've progressed ....
January 15th, 2007 at 2:22 pmUnbelievable, will the work be done by local contractors? It would be fitting if blacks were the ones hired to do the work, and would certainly be good for the local economy, as well.
Comment by barfly
That's right, exclude, whites, Latinos, Asians, etc., Hire only blacks to work on it.
Oh, wait a second...
Can you say "Racial Discrimination"? I guess no one else caught that.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmBy “these people†I guess you mean illegal workers: how do they hurt the American health and economic systems if, in fact, they provide large profits to their employers while recieving very little in exchange?
Comment by Juan C — January 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
For one, they take from a system that they did not contribute into. And here, the rich can afford the accountants to find them the loopholes so that they don't contribute just the working middle class. In essence, that is stealing. And from people who are doing without as a result, even though they paid their taxes.
And we're not talking about a few people. We're talking about millions.
So, since their employers make huge profits, and the rich don't pay taxes, it actually takes money out of the system. Especially when they send it back home and don't spend it here to cycle it through our economy.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmJuan,
I support amnesty for hispanic immigrants. They are a Christian, conservative, hard-working, self sufficient culture, which sounds American to me.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmTough choice, both are worthy pursuits ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Depends on how you define 'worthy' Jason... And clearly you do not definite it in the same way that I do.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmAre you saying that blacks can’t compete, and won’t EARN such a contract, as Halliburton does?
Not if the racists running the country don't let them attend their good ol' boy networking klan functions... That is how nepotism and cronyism work Jason...
Personally, I would luv to see an all minority (black) contractor receive a fixed price contract to build the memorial, and have their progress tracked and audited, to, uh, demonstrate how far they’ve progressed ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Infering (not just a listener's option as you learned yesterday) that blacks would not progress and therefore tracking them would yield you some satisfaction in you bigotry?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#73, unbee,
Take a breath, you are making mistakes "... do not definite it the same ..." - you are losing it.
I never had to sleep at work to compete with overseas firms and still succeed, but if that is what it takes from time to time, I would do it, to maintain an industry presence in/from the US.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:30 pmA full freaking year at Camp David? Are you serious? I knew the guy liked to take his vacation, but Jesus T.F. Christ!
Oh, and I assume he will continue to schedule conflicts to avoid speaking to the NAACP?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:30 pm#74, unbee,
You already betray your skepticism that a minority contractor could earn such a job, so why do you frown on my desire to test their ability to deliver?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#76, Granny Hippie,
Ever since the Dems ran an ad linking dubya to the dragging death of a black man in Texas, I concur with his choice not to bother speaking to the NAACP. If dubya ever received an apology for that ad, he might speak before them.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:35 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
A few points, chuckles:
First of all, the term you're groping for is Noblesse Oblige. Sheesh. If I were you'd I'd take that diploma from that alternate-universe Ivy-League Stanford you attended and redeem it for the free order of small fries.
Second, you're trying to twist words (again) and failing (again). And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid is clearly referring to the prevailing ultra-capitalist, social-darwinist notion the neocons espouse, that the poor constitute an unacceptable drain on the resources of the 'chosen ones' (the tiny percentage of people who are rich and powerful enough to 'matter' to the neocons). In response, instead of addressing his actual point, you latch onto a single word, and spin your ridiculous defense of 'nobles oblige' around the straw man you thus created.
Jason, you really do make it too easy...especially when you're unable to even properly spell the very term that is the centerpiece of your defense. Priceless.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:36 pmSo now the Iraqi gumment opposes the idiot's program.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:37 pmGreat. Assassination of al-Maliki to follow.
And we’re not talking about a few people. We’re talking about millions.
So, since their employers make huge profits, and the rich don’t pay taxes, it actually takes money out of the system. Especially when they send it back home and don’t spend it here to cycle it through our economy.
Comment by unbelievable
So millions of poor people should invest they hard earned money in the US and not in their families? I mean millions of people who dont have access to health care or social benefits should still keep working without any guarantees of earning money after the work are hurting America? Who do you think gets more benefits from their exploitation: the workers themselves or the employers? I agree that the greatest part of the problem is in the workers countries, of course, but saying that the illegals are hurting America, when the whole system benefits mostly the employers is wrong.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pmEver since the Dems ran an ad linking dubya to the dragging death of a black man in Texas
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Link please, ol' supporter of a secular nation run by Christians
January 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYou know the french feel the wealthy are *more* of a burden on the state than the poor are. You should ask a frenchman sometime.
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool
Hah. Great post.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDRxJ sez:
Here's the ad to which Jason is referring.
And here's the text of the ad:
Emotionally charged? You bet.
Linking the President to the murder? Hardly.
But of course, that's par for the course for our good buddy Jason. Apparently, Reading Comprehension is not a skill stressed by the alternate-universe Ivy-League Stanford of which he is such a relentlessly proud graduate.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:48 pmThat’s right, exclude, whites, Latinos, Asians, etc., Hire only blacks to work on it.
That's how the White House and Capitol were both built - with black slave labor.
Oh, wait a second…
Can you say “Racial Discrimination� I guess no one else caught that.
Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
No. Leveling the playing field by giving opportunities to those who have a difficult time competiting against rich white American males, for whom the playing field has been designed and weighted, is NOT discrimination. It's equal opportunity.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:51 pmAlas, even an offer to give a minority contractor an opportunity to prove their ability to deliver on a fixed price contract is dismissed as racism - the black community is doomed, by the very political party that claims to support them ....
January 15th, 2007 at 2:51 pmI support amnesty for hispanic immigrants. They are a Christian, conservative, hard-working, self sufficient culture, which sounds American to me.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
You would be for giving breaks to Christian criminals while people who are trying to become Americans the right way are being denied that opposrtunity. I have friends who are trying to get greencard status. They pay tehir taxes, follow the law and are being told through actions of you corrupt neocons that following the law gets you hassled, while breaking it gets you salvation.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#87, Trip,
Thanks for finding and posting that ad - I must admit my amazement that you could find it.
That line links / associates dubya with the dragging death of that man, and it is for that reason, that dubya won't speak before the NAACP.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:55 pmeven an offer to give a minority contractor an opportunity to prove their ability to deliver on a fixed price contract is dismissed as racism - the black community is doomed, by the very political party that claims to support them ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Geez, JMH, can you be anymore of a bigot? What's next? Women bashing?
January 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmTake a breath, you are making mistakes “… do not definite it the same …†- you are losing it.
Stop trying to claim that I am a hysterical woman. I've explained before that I do this because I am a highly visually dominant person who switches similarly spelled words for what I really mean. It's because I have to translate images into words.
You are the hysterical one. I'm as calm as a cucumber.
I never had to sleep at work to compete with overseas firms and still succeed, but if that is what it takes from time to time, I would do it, to maintain an industry presence in/from the US.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Good little Bushbot. Enjoy that short life and debilitating span as a result.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pm****I think he was thinking about the *willie horton* ads we *conservatives* used against Dukakis. Isn’t it great how we conservatives hold our own politicians to a lower, less moral standards? We get to hold the *high* ground like Jason, pretend we’re *good christians* and support leaders that are worse than the *libruls*. Thank god we’re *blind* and *stupid* for the most part. Otherwise the poor republicans would have no voters at all!
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool —
Very good point.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI knew I liked you for more than your name...
;)
and it is for that reason, that dubya won’t speak before the NAACP.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Or the fact that he's a racist, like yourself!
January 15th, 2007 at 2:59 pmYou already betray your skepticism that a minority contractor could earn such a job, so why do you frown on my desire to test their ability to deliver?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
No Jason, I do not. Read my comments to robert.
It's aboutgiving them the opportunity that they normally are denied because of stereotypes by bigots like you.
January 15th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#92, unbee,
The federal government has failed to police the borders for years, using "catch and release" practices, etc. With such an insincere attempt to keep hispanics out, there is no way someone trying to feed their family would resist America's golden shores ....
Hispanic labor and culture would reinvigorate this nation back to better times.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pmIf you like as a complementary service i see the marine 1's fly right over my house all the time i can give a "salute" in any one's honor on his excellency's way up to his little getaway. Nothing makes my day like being able to tell him he's number one. I had the best morning, my daughter came down stairs and wished me happy Martin Luther Kings b-day and then we sat and watched the speech on the computer. Pretty inspiring, I hadn't accomplished sqwat by the time I was 38. Namaste beyond.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWhat’s next? Women bashing?
Comment by DRxJ
January 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pmSorry to tell you, but he's done that, too
#93, blah blah blah,
Haliburton has nothing to prove, no minds to change, no misconceptions to correct ....
January 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pmI_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool —
I'm curious. Have you gone under a different name here on TP? Maybe been posting for quite a while under the other name?
Feel free to tell me to MYOB. Again, just kinda curious.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmSo millions of poor people should invest they hard earned money in the US and not in their families?
If they want the benefits of living in the US, then they can't spend their US dollars in another country and expect to not upset that system.
I mean millions of people who dont have access to health care or social benefits should still keep working without any guarantees of earning money after the work are hurting America?
We don't get health care or guarantees and yet we pay our taxes. I have a problem saying that non-American poor people derserve to get a break at the expense of American poor and middle class people - because that is what allowing them to come here illegally is doing.
Who do you think gets more benefits from their exploitation: the workers themselves or the employers?
Of course the employers... But they do that at the expense of Americans as well - not just illegals.
I agree that the greatest part of the problem is in the workers countries, of course, but saying that the illegals are hurting America, when the whole system benefits mostly the employers is wrong.
Comment by Juan C — January 15, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
It's not wrong. It's based on facts that when millions of people take from a system and send money elsewhere, it hurts the system.
If everytime I put water into a bucket you take it out and pour it into another pot, I can never have enough water in my bucket for my family.
I do agree that we should blame the people who put us all in this situation. But the ramifications of it are that the American middle class is being forced to carry the weight of millions of non-tax payers who live here. And that does hurt.
Ultimately, the problem is the whole over-population problem we have. This planet cannot support 6.4 billion people, and it demonstrates that daily.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pmHi, true. How are you?
January 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pmIm racing off to have some dinner. See ya later.
Alas, even an offer to give a minority contractor an opportunity to prove their ability to deliver on a fixed price contract is dismissed as racism - the black community is doomed, by the very political party that claims to support them ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Take a course in logic. You have failed to demonstrate so much as a remote ability to understand it. much less employ it.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThanks for finding and posting that ad - I must admit my amazement that you could find it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
http://www.google.com
January 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm:)
January 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm:)
****Dear unbeliever,
That is what he usually calls me. LOL
Of course those illegal immigrants are *american* in the eyes of we conservatives. They break whatever laws they can to earn money, the flaunt the laws of our land, and they do so while going to catholic church! That says they’re destined to support conservatism and fascism.
Jesus would be proud...
A willingness to do anything for money, including breaking the law has built our republican party, and the great company of Halliburton into an international symbol for greed and capitalism!
That it has... That it has!
It’s *god’s* work you heathen athiest!
Comment by _am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool — January 15, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Thanks for demonstrating how Atheists can be more moral (and frequently are) than the average Bible -beater. I don't think I've seen anyone do it quite this well before :)
ROTFL
January 15th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThe federal government has failed to police the borders for years, using “catch and release†practices, etc. With such an insincere attempt to keep hispanics out, there is no way someone trying to feed their family would resist America’s golden shores ….
I never said Hispanics. I said illegals. I knew a guy in Idaho who was an illegal Irish immigrant who cross the border through Canada. I include him.
Oh, and if you'd like to seem less of a bigot - calling them Hispanic is like calling blacks "colored". The term in Latino.
And while we're talking about government policy, you have to acknowledge that Reagan started this and the Republican Congress who ruled for the last twelve years has perpetuated it for cheap labor.
Hispanic labor and culture would reinvigorate this nation back to better times.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Your version of fundamental slavery no doubt. Jason, you're as transparent as a window. And about as moral... Sheesh.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm78 - No no, you misunderstand, I'm criticize him because he WON'T talk to the NAACP. I also want to see evidence of this "ad".
January 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#112, unbee,
I understand search engines perfectly well, but didn't have the first guess as to what keywords to enter that wouldn't generate 10,000 hits ....
To commemorate MLK day, allow me to recommend that you all read:
"ENOUGH: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America - and What We Can Do About It" by Juan Williams (a black man, so you don't have to take whitey's word for it)
He lists the woes of the black community, and offers no excuses, just directs the black community to solve their own problems and stop blaming whites. Unfortunately, it is short on the types of policies that would actually work, like school choice through vouchers for the black community, free enterprise zones that would bring capital to blighted black communities and so on ...
Alas, it is much more satisfying to call people far more successful than yourselves racist or bigot or misogynist or selfish, etc., than do the real hard work of helping the black community.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#115, unbee,
I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, so to state that I am some sort of southern gentry looking to institute slavery is absurd. I like any group that is Christian, hard-working, self sufficient and conservative, regardless of race, sex, creed, etc.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
Why is that? Was web-searching an advanced class at the alternate-universe Ivy-League Stanford?
So let me get this straight. The presence of the words 'Bush' and 'killed' in the same sentence constitute a "link" in your feverish mind?
You can't be this stupid...no vertebrate could be. For the love of God, go back and read that sentence you so blithely quoted.
Once again, you make it far too easy, Jason. *Yawn*
January 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI don't think I can express with words how much it concerns me that there exist people who view social problems as black or white. Let alone the fact that they believe that "black" problems should be solved exclusively by black people.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmHere is s'more highlights regarding Juan Williams:
While Williams acknowledges that the African-American community has made great strides since the civil rights era, he also argues that there have been significant areas, such as the out-of-wedlock birth rate, in which black Americans and families have fallen behind. He expressed these views in an interview about his book that aired on NPR's Morning Edition on Monday, August 7, 2006. He is in favor of family planning, birth control and the morning-after pill.
Yikes. A Republican in favor of family planning? Well, that's gotta get your panties in a bunch, eh, Jason?
Alas, it is much more satisfying to call people far more successful than yourselves racist or bigot or misogynist or selfish, etc., than do the real hard work of helping the black community.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
What makes you think you are far more successful than me? I'm happily married, have 4 wonderful kids and 1 pain in the ass dog. You, live with your parents, and have never had a girlfriend.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOh maybe we're comparing incomes. Don't go there, trust me on this one. So, instead of racist, bigot, or misogynist, we shall now add egotistical with a splash of loner
#119, Trip,
If someone states that dubya's actions / inactions are LIKENED to the dragging death of their father, that IS more than just a coincedence of the two words being in the same sentence. Dems are not going to weasel out of their ridiculous statements, and Bush's response is perfect, because the NAACP is being held to account.
Still waiting for the apology.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmGeez, JMH, can you be anymore of a bigot? What’s next? Women bashing?
Comment by DRxJ
Been there, done that. Um, still doing it...
January 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI understand search engines perfectly well, but didn’t have the first guess as to what keywords to enter that wouldn’t generate 10,000 hits ….
The imporant key words generally do it. You won't always get the best link first, but it should be on the first page making the remaining 10,000 links superfluous.
He lists the woes of the black community, and offers no excuses, just directs the black community to solve their own problems and stop blaming whites. Unfortunately, it is short on the types of policies that would actually work, like school choice through vouchers for the black community, free enterprise zones that would bring capital to blighted black communities and so on …
You would like any book that lets you off teh hook for your bigotry... LOL
Alas, it is much more satisfying to call people far more successful than yourselves racist or bigot or misogynist or selfish, etc., than do the real hard work of helping the black community.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
You are not more sucessful than I am. I don't know anyone else here personally, but I'm guessing you aren't more successful than the majority of people who post here.
You also aren't smarter than we are (demonstrated by your inability to use google effectively).
Neither are you more moral, more attractive or more popular.
The fact that you come here with some pre-reheresed script rather thna your own brain cells routinely demonstrates the fact that you are actually less of those things. Your need to keep claiming it is proof that is isn't so...
January 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth, so to state that I am some sort of southern gentry looking to institute slavery is absurd.
You don't need to be those things to want slavery.
You just need to think that yo can climb the socio-economic ladder to reach that plateau of wealth. And we all knowfrom your own admissions that you do.
I like any group that is Christian, hard-working, self sufficient and conservative, regardless of race, sex, creed, etc.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
So you were a fan of Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy and Ted Kazinsky, eh? Oh, and don't forget Adolph Hitler...
January 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmHendler, here's a coupon for a colonoscopy.
You are so full of shite that it's your only hope.
Oh, and it's a barbed wire colonoscopy, I know you won't mind.
Redeemable on presentation
January 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmOne barbed wire colonoscopy
for Jason Mudbrain Hendler
I don’t think I can express with words how much it concerns me that there exist people who view social problems as black or white.
You may not like it. None of us liberals do - but it is a fact. I see it everyday in my semi-rural community. People with dark skin are treated like a sub-class of people.
Let alone the fact that they believe that “black†problems should be solved exclusively by black people.
Comment by erock — January 15, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
No one said exclusively - except Jason. In which case, everything he says is out of touch with reality on every level.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pmand don’t forget Adolph Hitler…
Comment by unbelievable
Nope, Hendler draws the line at lederhosen! Although he does have a thing for jackboots . . .
January 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmJason M. Hendler sez:
So, Jason, did you fail Reading Comprehension, or was it just not a subject at alternate-university Ivy-League Stanford? Let's look at the offending sentence again, shall we?
Anyone who is capable of feeding themselves can see that Renee Mullins was referring to the intense emotional distress she experienced as a result of the horrific hate-crime murder of her father...distress she experienced anew as a result of Chimpy's callous refusal to support hate-crime legislation.
Only a ridiculous mouth-breather like yourself could claim a direct connection between the two. Are you actually trying to assert that the ad claims Chimpy dug up James Byrd, reanimated him, and killed him again?
Only you, Jason...only you.
I've half a mind to call up alternate-universe Ivy-League Stanford and have a talk with them regarding their admission policies...oh, that's right...I can't.
January 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmStill waiting for the apology.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Speaking of apologies - you still owe us one for calling the invasion of Iraq wrong. And, frankly, for the Dems taking the House and Senate on November 7th...
January 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmFurthermore, Jason,
Because they didn't make any, thanks. You're not going to weasel out of your ridiculous and malicious misinterpretation of he statements...I'll make sure of that.
It's perfect, all right. Perfectly cowardly. Just the sort of behavior we've come to expect from Chimpy...and you.
Don't hold your breath, dolt.
No, wait. DO hold your breath, Jason...hold it as looooong as you can.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmI've never seen anyone lose an argument, or in this case, a series of arguments as badly as Mr. Hendler has here today.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:07 pmI’ve never seen anyone lose an argument, or in this case, a series of arguments as badly as Mr. Hendler has here today.
Comment by erock
Satisfying, isn't it?
January 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pmJason,
why would you be suprised, when the NAACP makes an ad attacking Bush, after he refused to hold to account men guilty of a racist act?
January 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI’ve never seen anyone lose an argument, or in this case, a series of arguments as badly as Mr. Hendler has here today.
Comment by erock — January 15, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
And yet it never seems to slow him down.... :D
January 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pmthan do the real hard work of helping the black community.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
So Mr. Vulcanization, Ivy league school Stanford grad who believes in a secular nation run by Christians,
How exactly have you helped the black community?
January 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pmBurning crosses and attending white hooded night time rallies does not count as helping!!!
How exactly have you helped the black community?
Burning crosses and attending white hooded night time rallies does not count as helping!!!
Comment by DRxJ
Oy. Don't ask JMH questions -- he feels compelled to answer. :)
January 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm"I like any group that is Christian, hard-working, self sufficient and conservative, regardless of race, sex, creed, etc."
Did Jason really write this? Very confusing. I would think the "love" message of Christianity would be very difficult for him to stomach. Let alone that embarrassing moneychangers incident!
January 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pm"Take a course in logic. You have failed to demonstrate so much as a remote ability to understand it. much less employ it."
I've said it before, but there appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding among many on "the other side" regarding the fundamental nature of logic.
"Logic" and "gut feeling" are not synonyms, no matter how dearly or desperately held that gut feeling may be. The simple fact that you have grown up with (for whatever reason) a set of opinions and cannot (for whatever reason) imagine the validity of alternatives to that set of opinions does not /necessarily mean/ that you are behaving in a "logical" manner by continuing to hold those opinions.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:52 pmOy. Don’t ask JMH questions — he feels compelled to answer. :)
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Only the ones he can address in a vague and generalized way. Ask him for specifics and he runs away... I mean goes for lunch... LOL
January 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pmdoes not /necessarily mean/ that you are behaving in a “logical†manner by continuing to hold those opinions.
Comment by Glenn Becker — January 15, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Well said. That's basically the issue of the conservatives. And why those on that side who question any of their handed ideologies frequently come to reject them for their disconnect fom reality.
I see it a lot here in Georgia despite the years of education most of my co-workers have. They put side their eduaction for tehir religiuos barometer and instantly reject any action or view different from their own as 'wrong' and/or 'evil', while forcing their way on others and then wondering why they get the exact opposite of their intention... Much like JMH.
January 15th, 2007 at 4:59 pmmethinks Jason Misogynist Hendler is basking in his own self deluded afterglow, and is now taking a well deserved nap before his parents come home from work.
Haven't seen our lil buddy post since his infamous I'm far better than you, so nana nana boo boo exclamation.
Funny how when facts are pointed out contradicting his silly nonsensical posts, Herr Mon Fuhr Jason just, disappears
January 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pmokay TP, my 10:15am post gets deleted for no particular reason, and this moron, polyps, can post crap like that?
January 15th, 2007 at 5:15 pmconsistency, TP, consistency!
Ultimately, the problem is the whole over-population problem we have. This planet cannot support 6.4 billion people, and it demonstrates that daily.
Comment by unbelievable
Yes, it can. Energy from the sun is like 5 orders of magnitude higher than the order of magnitude used by human civilization. Of course, it can. How long? Thats the question and I agree with you that overpopulation is a problem, however it doesnt seem to be a problem for germans, for example. How is it that population in Germany is almost three times higher than population in Argentina, in a smaller country area? Europe, as a continent, must be the piece of land in this planet that has more population density, however, they dont have the bad levels of life-quality that latinamericans have. The problem is not overpopulation, the problem is distribution of wealth. Poor families have a lot of kids because they signify labor force. Swiss families dont have many children because all their commodities can be achieved using efficient labor force (machines, water, transport, etc.)
In case you think Im fighting with you, far from it. Im learning. I always can count on you answering a post. Thank you very much for that.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:16 pmJuan,
I think the europeans, have learned to live small to a certian extent, but you are right. Less poverty, better quality of life, etc.. has lead to dense, but livable population areas.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:26 pm"okay TP, my 10:15am post gets deleted for no particular reason, and this moron, polyps, can post crap like that?
consistency, TP, consistency! Comment by DRxJ — January 15, 2007 @ 5:15 pm"
****Dear Drugstore, Just do what I do. Swear allegiance first and foremost to the pure chosen nation of Israel, and Judd and the rest of the DLC leadership that run this forum will *never* ban you! As long as you say *blame america first* and *blame Israel first*, call all Islamic people *koranimals*, and *libruls* whiney cowards, Judd will let you post at will without ever censoring you!!
You can also be assured that this site will not post how cowardly, and traitorous to Dems that Lieberman is, or how he's willing to sell out the well being of America to secure our Zionist paradise of 100% of Israel. That's when the Jewish messiah comes back as the re-incarnated Jesus and we all sing dippity do, the world is run by the jew!
It also helps if you claim *maternal* jewish lineage like me. In jewish law that makes me 100% jewish, so I can call all of you *anti-semitic* rats, and Judd will ban you when you fight back! Isn't that just as convenient as a room full of kittens during an NRA target practice party?
January 15th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI think the europeans, have learned to live small to a certian extent, but you are right. Less poverty, better quality of life, etc.. has lead to dense, but livable population areas.
Comment by Krazny
I agree. They have learned to live in small places (their apartments are small but cozy), in my opinion, due to the limited space they have and they have small engines (FIAT, Peugeot, etc.) because they dont have much oil. However, they have superlative indicators regarding quality of life becuz, and this is the sad thing, they have taken resources from America, Africa and Asia.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:42 pmMy point was that overpopulation is certainly an issue but saying that overpopulation is the reason why poor people is poor is a capitalist myth. Latinamerica must be one of the less population dense regions in the world and one of the richest (copper, woods, coffee, guano, gold, silver, etc.) yet, the vast majority of its population lives in poverty.
No. Leveling the playing field by giving opportunities to those who have a difficult time competiting against rich white American males, for whom the playing field has been designed and weighted, is NOT discrimination. It’s equal opportunity.
Comment by unbelievable
What you are talking about is not leveling the playing field. It is not leveling the playing field if you do not let the other team into the stadium. You are talking about excluding someone that may or may not be more qualified based on skin color. That is discrimination. If a Black run company can do it better/faster/cheaper, then so be it. But if a company run by any one else can do it faster/better/cheaper, then they sould get the contract.
Hey, here is a novel idea. Blind bidding on contracts.
Company (A) says they will do it in 6 months for $75 million. They submit a design that is accepted. Company (B) says they will do it in 6 months for $55 million, and they to submit a design that is accepted. No names are disclosed, no demographic information available. Who should get the contract?
Company (B) should. Who cares if it is ran buy whites, blacks, or Arabs?
January 15th, 2007 at 5:43 pmRobert,
rarely do government contracts work on a blind bid. Everyday, and no it isn't a republican or democratic problem alone, we hear stories of company A getting the contract, because they gave x amount to candidate B's campaign.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:49 pmDrxJ, you're absolutely right - there's no reason why that polyps comment should have even shown up. If that's not gone real soon, a LOT of regulars are going to be really, really pissed.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:50 pmJason, isn't 'creed' (as in 'credo, Latin, 'belief') supposed to refer to religion? So if you don't care what 'creed' people are, then they wouldn't necessarily have to be Christian, right?
January 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pm"150. Company (B) should. Who cares if it is ran buy whites, blacks, or Arabs? Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 5:43 pm"
****Dear Roberto, you know we *do* care as conservatives. I don't want those *mud-people* and *koranimals* getting any of my nice jewish/christian tax dollars! That's why we *conservatives* would argue that blind bidding would open us up to underqualified and undercapitalized companies that didn't have the expertise or skills to do the job. We would then demand they supply financial records, or enough details to determine their size, and we would immediate weed out the smaller *minority* business without having to admit to being bigots!
We do this sort of thing all of the time in the current system. Why wouldn't we do it more if there are no *minority* initiatives! But I do appreciate you carrying water for our side. Without first rate bigots like yourself, our institutionalized bigotry would not be possible! Keep up the good fight fellow whitey!
January 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Krazny
I agree. That is something that needs to be pushed in Washington. We need someone to get in there and argue for things like "blind bidding" because, in the end, the taxpayers win.
Remove preferences across the board.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pmalright, I'm outta here!
Enjoy, and beware:
Sir Grevins is lurking somewhere.
I've challenged him to a debate, when and if he/she wants to actually, uh you know, debate!
But I aint gonna waste precious family time arguing with an adolescent
Gnight!
January 15th, 2007 at 5:56 pmJane,
are you and wayne doing okay with the cold weather in the northeast? I don't know if it has affected New York yet, but I wish you guys the best, and hope you everything is okay.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool
big·ot
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
So, equality equals bigotry? Nice try. I do not care if my house is built by a black man or a white man. All I care about is that my house is stable. If a company is qualified, and they meet the price, they should get the job.
January 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmKrazny,
January 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pmAre you still there???
yup still hanging on did I Miss something?
January 15th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThis is a cool little story.....
Draper Award goes to MIT researcher
guy who invented the Internet
January 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pmNo.
Can you email me?
cforrest@capecod.net
Thanks!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:13 pmjust put trueblue in the subject
I'll un-spam you.
Kinda important.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThanks.
Lazy bastard. However, let me state that I believe it's a good thing he has worked so little. Imagine the damage he would have done if he had worked 40 hour weeks.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:18 pm"So, equality equals bigotry? Nice try. I do not care if my house is built by a black man or a white man. All I care about is that my house is stable. If a company is qualified, and they meet the price, they should get the job. Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 5:59 pm"
****Dear robert, please, you don't have to pretend to me. I know you don't want your money going to all of those *incapable* black people. That's why the system is set up, so that contracts go to *who-we-know*, which just happens to be people of the same color and/or religion as us! That's why we are *conservatives*, so we can *conserve* our money within our tribes!
Now that we white people hold most of the money, education resources and power in the country - it's really easy to talk about *equal competition*. After all, our better access to *capital*, ensures that this *equal* access is always *more-equal* for us! Screw those affirmative action programs. I send my children to a nice white school specifically so they will have *advantages* over the underfunded and poor educated darkies!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool
STFU you cartoon.
What an assclown.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmrobert,
January 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmmighty----
is a parody.
Honest.
Look again.
Yes, it can.
It currently isn't. It's why things are so screwed up and people are causing other species to go extinct.... people are starving to death or dying from drinking contaminated water because we've not got enough potable water in the system. Only 5% of the water on the planet is potable - and then a fraction of that isn't in cloud or glaciers or people (since we're 86% water ourselves).
Energy from the sun is like 5 orders of magnitude higher than the order of magnitude used by human civilization.
But it only releases enough for us to use in a day, and even then it is only plants that can capture it... So the more of them we destroy, the less usable energy we actually have.
How is it that population in Germany is almost three times higher than population in Argentina, in a smaller country area?
It's more than size. It has to do with what they produce and who is willing to buy it from them for how much. And what that money can buy them in terms of competition against other nations for natural resources.
I think the fact that countries fight is proof that there isn't enough to go around. Most animals, including predators don't fight unless it is for survival.
Europe, as a continent, must be the piece of land in this planet that has more population density, however, they dont have the bad levels of life-quality that latinamericans have.
Try India. Europe isn't as densely populated. And they have technology giving them a playing field advantage.
The problem is not overpopulation, the problem is distribution of wealth.
Both are problems, because without over-population, distribution of wealth would not exist in such disparity, if at all. Whenthe planet is in balance, there isn't a need to re-distribute, or hoard, wealth - because there is plenty to go around.
Thoimm Hatman said that the acceptable human population for our planet is about 250,000....
In case you think Im fighting with you, far from it. Im learning. I always can count on you answering a post. Thank you very much for that.
Comment by Juan C — January 15, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
No fighting assumed. I don't read other's posts that way until they start insulting and using the associated punctuation/grammar... Or are named Jason M Hendler or Mighty Aphrodite.... :D
I think it's rude to not answer someone who is sincere. And you are equally consious about responding.
Who'd believe it Juan? Two Atheists having a civil discourse :) LOL
January 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmMy point was that overpopulation is certainly an issue but saying that overpopulation is the reason why poor people is poor is a capitalist myth.
Comment by Juan C — January 15, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
That wasn't my premise. I was blaming it as a driving factor as it leads to the other problems including distribution of wealth.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:28 pm"STFU you cartoon. What an assclown. Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 6:23 pm"
****Dear roberto, such *vulgar* language, are you sure you aren't a *librul*?
I keep explaining to you that we *conservatives* don't want equal access to opportunities. That's why we prefer to go to *private* school in england like I did. Of course I ended up with bad teeth, halitosis and a great desire to show the queen my *angry-inch*, but that's not the point.
The point is we don't really want those minorities to have *equal-access*. They might start thinking they're our equal or something!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pmHey, Krazny, thanks for your concern. Today's not so bad, around 38 or so, but damp/foggy/rainy. Tomorrow's supposed to drop, so we'll see if all the dampness out there turns to ice. Still no snow this season except for a few flakes. Don't worry about us, I'm terrified of driving in snow, and, if necessary, we'll both take off. I've been in enough crashes, thanks!
Hi, trueblue--told ya I'd still be here at work! Mostly working! ;-D
January 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pmTrue,
Notice I called it a cartoon.;) I know it is a parody.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:34 pmWhat you are talking about is not leveling the playing field.
Of course it is. You just won't accept that the field is biased toward rich, white American men.
It is not leveling the playing field if you do not let the other team into the stadium.
robert... Sheesh. We're all in the stadium.
You are talking about excluding someone that may or may not be more qualified based on skin color. That is discrimination. If a Black run company can do it better/faster/cheaper, then so be it. But if a company run by any one else can do it faster/better/cheaper, then they sould get the contract.
Life doesn't work that way dear.
Hey, here is a novel idea. Blind bidding on contracts.
Company (A) says they will do it in 6 months for $75 million. They submit a design that is accepted. Company (B) says they will do it in 6 months for $55 million, and they to submit a design that is accepted. No names are disclosed, no demographic information available. Who should get the contract?
Company (B) should. Who cares if it is ran buy whites, blacks, or Arabs?
Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I agree, but unfortunately, in the real world, Company B might not be allowed to bid in the first place - or be told that they aren't qualified after their identity is discovered (I have seen this happen).
January 15th, 2007 at 6:35 pm"True, Notice I called it a cartoon.;) I know it is a parody. Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 6:34 pm"
****Dear roberto, I am a *goddess*, not a *cartoon*. I have higher *fidelity* than that! Just because you don't like to admit these *conservative* values we have that make sure black people stay in their proper place - don't be mad at me. I know that honesty comes slowly to both of us. But I join David Duke in reminding america that we are strong and powerful because of *white-power*. Just because much of the early american wealth was made on the backs of black people and immigrant minorities, doesn't mean it isn't ours! We exploited them fair and square, and we deserve the breaks we get in better schools, better social networking, better economic and educational opportunities! It's god's will! They're the cursed children of Noah, and god wants them to be our underclass! Just read your bible, and you'll discover that jesus was white and white people are destined to continue to rule the world!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmOf course it is. You just won’t accept that the field is biased toward rich, white American men.
You are wrong, I accept that it is and say it shouldn't be. But it should not be biased towards minorities either. If you give preference to one or the other, it is not balanced. Balance requires EQUAL WEIGHT on both sides.
Life doesn’t work that way dear.
So, to combat that, you give a preference to someone else? There again, you throw off balance.
I agree, but unfortunately, in the real world, Company B might not be allowed to bid in the first place - or be told that they aren’t qualified after their identity is discovered (I have seen this happen).
The way to get past that is not to give preference to another group. It is to get legislation passed that gives equal treatment to all organizations and to establish qualifications. If the qualifications are are known before the bid, then there is no need to say someone is not qualified unless they truely do not meet the qualifications.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pm"You are wrong, I accept that it is and say it shouldn’t be. But it should not be biased towards minorities either. If you give preference to one or the other, it is not balanced. Balance requires EQUAL WEIGHT on both sides. Life doesn’t work that way dear. So, to combat that, you give a preference to someone else? There again, you throw off balance. Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm"
****Excellent point! Don't forget to keep ignoring that minority initiatives are a *thumb* on the scale that balance back some of the advantage that rich white people have! After all, if you do that forever, all businesses would be owned by black people. And we can't have that! We all know that once we start giving these *minorities* a break, we won't be able to stop, until they've destroyed all white people and white businesses!
There's no way we could possibly address these injustices without hurting the *advantages* that white people already have. And that would make black people our *equals*! Screw that!
"The way to get past that is not to give preference to another group. It is to get legislation passed that gives equal treatment to all organizations and to establish qualifications. If the qualifications are are known before the bid, then there is no need to say someone is not qualified unless they truely do not meet the qualifications. Comment by robert — January 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm"
****Why would we *conservatives* ever agree to this. While it's true that our advantages come from our unequal education opportunities that ensure we would win *most* of the time. If the bids were *blind*, then we couldn't be sure to keep out the minorities! What we want is to do away with any quotas, and pretend like the playing field is level - the way we used to!
It's easier to argue that any *adjustment* to the scales are wrong, while we *permit* the imbalance to go on as it is! Just like you're doing! Yeah, institutional racism! I'm so glad you see how important it is to protect the historical legacy of white advantage!
January 15th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI declare peace in this; thy emerald dream.
I declare peace in this; thy emerald dream.
I declare peace in this; thy emerald dream.
I declare peace in this; thy emerald dream.
Men, women, children, all and every color
Rise up to meet me in this nomadic vapor.
Rise up! Greet me with thy soul’s civility,
I can ask no more and no less of thee.
Affirm the worlds waiting stillness with me.
Bring thy grace, let go thy mortal weaponry.
Rise up in the streets of the towns and cities,
Rise up! Tilt thy angry faces toward the sun!
Emerald dream, I march with thee this day.
I stride with thee… sharing thy morning walk,
I sit with thee… and drink at thy table,
I speak with thee… though I see thee not.
O! Ghost in the shade of want come forth,
Walk with me, walk with me in my trance!
I declare peace in this; thy emerald dream,
Open eyed to it grasping thy bleeding chance!
O! We tongueless ones in our painful disgrace
January 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pmLet us not use deceit to twist the patient hands failing,
Instead let us smile upon the poor lives of all men
and carry this emerald sheen with a proud face!
Balance requires EQUAL WEIGHT on both sides.
Comment by robert
You're stuck on the "equal" thing again, Robert. Fortunately, this is an area where it is possible to make things more equal.
The pendulum has been quite high for the white-owned and operated construction firms for so long, that it must swing back a little on the high side for the minority-owned and operated construction firms, in order for them to try to catch up. Levelling the playing field, if you will.
This process takes time, but in the end, if we just let the pendulum settle, things will even out.
You have to admit that the large and well-established construction firms are able to undercut the newer firms in terms of bids, because they can afford to take the loss for a really cool job. C'mon...
January 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmMy response to robert didn't post...
And I don't feel like typing it again.
January 15th, 2007 at 7:24 pmTry this again....tech difficulties, TP?
On CNN today, which is what plays in the lobby of my building, I saw "This just in, Bush Says MLK should be a day on, not a day off."
Yeah, forget about the courageous message of civil rights for all, and peace. Go to work, keep those tax dollars flowing, move along, nothing to see here.
And he had his arms around the Black people as if they were nothing but props. That's how he sees all people. I wondered....who still lets this guy talk?
I only wish today there was someone with the brevity and vision of a man like Dr. King...maybe we'd not be in this handbasket on a one-way trip to destruction.
In the words of Sharon Cox, Blessings, we need them....
January 15th, 2007 at 7:48 pmNice ode. poertyman. Well done...
the hand never matched the face
of the silent invader of race
some hold it in grasp oh so tight
fogged and lead by dark night
fingers once held by babe looking up
stamping lessons for one looking down
The chanting of one heard by most
can take hand of those hooked on ghost
It can be you or me, this I know
Or to dark night, we all shall go
Clutched on the fingers
Of those who let us linger
In the great EGO
RISE UP!!!
January 15th, 2007 at 8:27 pmBTW, I suck at poetry, obv., but just having a little fun....thanks to Poetry dude.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:28 pmLooks like I'm the last of the Mo's....
Goodnight. Trying to help my bro with Math (haha!!) while he watches 24.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pmI hate tv.
What is next ?
Sam Ellison Day in about 20 years ?
You foilks will use whomever and whenver you so desire to garner votes
Thank goodness this country sees right through your sham
Sam Ellison Day in 20 years will commemorate democracy as we used to know it
Then after that day is over well back to sharia law
January 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pmAren't polyps cancerous ....
Oh, ne'er ye mind. they are.
January 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pmFalwell’s Flub: Jerry-Rigged Policy Opens Door For Pagan Proselytizing In Virginia Public School
A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.
http://blog.au.org/2006/12/falwells_flub_j.html
January 15th, 2007 at 8:56 pmFalwell’s Flub: Jerry-Rigged Policy Opens Door For Pagan Proselytizing In Virginia Public School
Comment by unbelievable
Oh my god, that's the best laugh I've had all day!
January 15th, 2007 at 9:02 pmOh my god, that’s the best laugh I’ve had all day!
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
It was on the http://www.venganza.org website. Seemed appropriate news for today.
More funny there - Home of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - if you want it. That site never fails to amuse... :D
January 15th, 2007 at 9:25 pm191 is the wrong thread sorry
But oh well it still needed to be said
Comment by Bris FAN NOT
Heh. Idiot.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:27 pmBetter hope I dont see one of you crossing the street
Comment by polypiscious — January 15, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
How very Christ-like of you. Who would Jesus run over? Hmmm? Why don't we ask Laura Welch Bush? I mean, she, a pronounced Evangelical, is the expert in running people over...
And, by the way, you threatened us. That violates site policy. Bye.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:28 pmReptilian brains with no emotions are the Dems and Progs mindset
You know, that's an evolutionary trait... Jesus would not approve.
This is an unthinking and archaic mindset you people have going no here
Actually, it's quite the opposite. But that never seems to stop you guys from missing it. Must be the inbreeding...
Someone needed the courage to step forward and tell you all what you are really all about and well I guess I am the courageous one
You call the courage? Courage would be going over to Iraq and putting your sorry a$$ where your rather large mouth is.
Your cultlike gathering here everynight is akin to nazi propaganda rallies back in the 30s and 40s
Actually,it's more like the Prague Spring - and that is what terrifies you little fascists (and I do mean little - as your crotch area - which is what makes you so ornery in the first place, wee one).
A self reliant and totally SELF sufficient group who gathers together at sundown everynight like the witchcraft seekers and UNGODLIES you people really are
Well, according to the Bibles, you ain't supposed to hanging out with us. I think you turn into a newt or a shrubbery or something equally devoid of intellect....
The smart ones here have alreadfy left for good
You wouldn't know smart if it kicked you in the crotch (partly due to the small genitalia).
They were able to overcome many months worth of brainwashing at the hands of you posters
Good riddance....
It is the too far gone and the crazies who remain here at think progress
You mean you....
I can GUARANTEE you will not get very far
How so?
Not if I can help it
It's hard to do much when you get banned little boy.
And I am one dirty lowdown kneecappin unscrupulous bastard of an enemy to have against you
Fear of a keyboard commando... Hmmm.... That rates about a negative 200 on my fear scale of 1 to 10.
… just sayin
Better hope I dont see one of you crossing the street … polypiscious
How exactly would you know this?
Comment by screw you unbelievable bite me too — January 15, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
That reminds me of a high school boy who had emaiuled my architecture firm in dan francisco looking for an architect to ask questions about the profession. His email was 'you_suck_bo_rules' (his name was 'bo', which I'm thinking I need to explain to you). About the same mentality, and maturity level as you. LOL
January 15th, 2007 at 9:48 pmUnbelievable,
if you look through this thread and the one above the guy posted the same nonsense in both. Looking for a reaction no doubt. He is most likely the same one going by polyp or whatever. The one who wrote about how great it was Martin Luther King jr was killed. Best to ignore and move on.
If a troll rants on a blog, and noone responds, is he still and idiot?
January 15th, 2007 at 9:58 pmzooey,
January 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmThe pendulum may have been stuck high on thr rich, white guy side for too long. I agree. We, as a nation have been trying to fix the clock for 140+ years. Ya' know, eventually you have to make the decision to just buy a new clock.
Robert,
The clock is on layaway, and hopefully we'll get it out soon. :)
January 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pmZoo, I don't see it happening in the next 2 years. The lady controlling the purse strings won't do it, even if the Decider picked a nice one.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:15 pmAh well, patience is a virtue.
Heh. Good one, Robert.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmCartoon, I know what you are doing, but remember Lincoln was a Republican. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 had a higher percentage of Republicans supporting(voting for) it than Democrats.
Keep the cartoon up. It shows you have no life.
January 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmZoo, have a good one.
Mighty Assclown, go swallow your head or something
January 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool,
Can you give it a frickin' rest?
January 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amOy.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:17 amSo Juan and I get deleted for using the dreaded btru-name?
Stupid.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:40 amI just figured out who this schmendrick is, too.
Comment by Zooey
Who?
And you know, perhaps this schmendrik boy is right about hanging out with TP staff. He gets to post whatever idiocy he wants, while our stupid posts are banned. Come on!
January 16th, 2007 at 12:50 amI_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool,
Can you give it a frickin’ rest?
Comment by Zooey — January 16, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Amen to that.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:57 amIt's humorous once,but that's about it.
Because we are the bearers of truth!
Comment by I_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool —
And the chosen people...by a god that that people made! Awesome. You know that Im the most handsome and powerful guy in the universe? How can I know that? Well, my God just told me that!
Im beginning to think you are right, funny mighty.
I miss btru and worfeus. :(
January 16th, 2007 at 1:03 amschmendrick = rachel b. blair
January 16th, 2007 at 2:18 am#67 #47, blah blah blah,
You either/or question seems to imply that a country founded on religious freedom (not Christianity) has wealthy individuals who do not consider the poor a burden ….
Can you name such a place? Even France considers the poor the nobles oblige (obligation of the rich), which means they accept them as a burden.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Noblesse Oblige, the correct spelling of the french expression In French, means, literally, "nobility obliges".
"Noblesse oblige" is generally used to imply that with wealth, power, and prestige come social responsibilities.
So, frankly, your reading (and writing) skills in french are even worse than in english, if possible.
Republican Idiot. Well, that's an oxymoron. I'll call you Jason M. Hendler for clarification purposes.
January 16th, 2007 at 6:09 am#71 For one, they take from a system that they did not contribute into. And here, the rich can afford the accountants to find them the loopholes so that they don’t contribute just the working middle class. In essence, that is stealing. And from people who are doing without as a result, even though they paid their taxes.
And we’re not talking about a few people. We’re talking about millions.
So, since their employers make huge profits, and the rich don’t pay taxes, it actually takes money out of the system. Especially when they send it back home and don’t spend it here to cycle it through our economy.
Comment by unbelievable — January 15, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Sorry, but this time I must disagree with you. For long time the "maquiladoras", the factories stablished by USA corporations in Mexico have been exploiting the extra cheap workers, giving them pennies and making them work for countless hours in horrible working conditions (lots of at work injuries, treating them like cattle...).
More: Central Americans have experienced what is the "spreading of liberty and democracy" from the USA before, see the United Fruit History, full of military interventions of the USA, and crushing of workers unions:
http://www.unitedfruit.org/chron.htm
Frankly, if illegal immigrants come to the USA to earn more money, I think they deserve it, because their fathers and gradfathers have produced a lot of the wealth now has the USA.
The theory of the "money circling into the system" is very pretty, but the money of the USA comes from the outside, many times through ugly acts of your government. The "american dream" is sustained greatly by the influx of foreing money, not the inside production, and ultimately, this is the reason why so many USA Presidents are war prone. To defend this influx of money. Many times, the USA sucks the money of the countries around it, empoverishing them, and causing the influx of immigrants to the country. They are poor people who follow the money.
Probably this view of the world will clash with the USA commonner's one, but, is what we see from the outside.
January 16th, 2007 at 6:37 am#72 Juan,
I support amnesty for hispanic immigrants. They are a Christian, conservative, hard-working, self sufficient culture, which sounds American to me.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Not all immigrants are anitcastristas. But you are an idiot for sure.
What is true is that many of the immigrants are poor. And social and leftist movements come from the poorest of a society. Think of it. And hide under the bed.
January 16th, 2007 at 6:46 amI can just see your sick little minds at work while you look at the photo of King .
My he looks alot like KKK Ellison doesnt he ?
Yes you fools have billions of dollars worth of bought and paid for media but it is like listening to a dead air microphone !
NO IDEAS !
You remind me of a spoiled kid with a rich daddy ( Soros ) .
You cant play drums for shit and you have been after daddy and after daddy so he buys you a drum set .
He also buys up all the companies who manufacture all the drum sets in the world .
So no one else gets a chance to play .
Now we all must bear the burden and the brunt of you and your wielding of your drumset ( blog time here )
The noise is deafening !
It is utter silencio from the
PARTY WITH NO IDEAS AND
NO IDEA WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON
Typical .
January 16th, 2007 at 7:52 amschmendrick = rachel b. blair
Comment by troll alert
rachel b. blair = angie in ga
January 16th, 2007 at 8:04 amschmendrick = rachel b. blair
Comment by troll alert
rachel b. blair = angie in ga
Comment by robert — January 16, 2007 @ 8:04 am
robert i am going to report you to the military for improper use of military technology
you may be viewed as an enemy combatant under those charges
just sayin
January 16th, 2007 at 8:10 amrobert i am going to report you to the military for improper use of military technology
Who says I am using Military technology? Ever heard of a PDA?
Assclown
January 16th, 2007 at 8:13 ami can tell you you are wrong on all counts you posted
January 16th, 2007 at 8:19 amyou cannot just hack into tps server robert
this is criminal activity
i am sure the military would be none too happy
this kind of thing just happens to be the catalyst that gets asswarmers like you off their fat asses and into a real shooting war
you get my drift boy ?
i am still debating on whether to call your base commander first or my state ombudsman
January 16th, 2007 at 8:23 amYou know the things are bad when you miss I-RIGHT-I *sigh*
January 16th, 2007 at 8:28 amAnyone else sick and tired of these pyschotic trolls running around here?
January 16th, 2007 at 8:30 amI sure as Hell am.
You know the things are bad when you miss I-RIGHT-I *sigh*
Comment by Evil Spaniard
You said it! LOL.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:31 amyou cannot just hack into tps server robert
this is criminal activity
Sorry, I do not have the ability to hack anyones server, but I guess maybe I did strike a nerve.
i am sure the military would be none too happy.
And, again, personal time, personal equipment.
this kind of thing just happens to be the catalyst that gets asswarmers like you off their fat asses and into a real shooting war
you get my drift boy ?
Been there, done that. Twice
i am still debating on whether to call your base commander first or my state ombudsman
Whatever.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:49 amFrankly, if illegal immigrants come to the USA to earn more money, I think they deserve it, because their fathers and gradfathers have produced a lot of the wealth now has the USA.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2007 @ 6:37 am
I understand. The problem is that they aren't taking it from the rich elitists - they are taking it from the American poor and Middle class. That's my problem. If they were milking the rich elitists who abused them, then I would wholly agree. But they aren't. And that is where the system is corrupt to another level.
Would be like RobinHood stealing from the poor on a neighboring borough to feed the poor in his own. Not cool.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:07 amschmendrick = rachel b. blair
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rachel b. blair = angie in ga
Comment by robert — January 16, 2007 @ 8:04 am
Yep. Both times rachel b and angie started out as anti-liberal, and then turned liberal by adding a last name...
It fits the pattern.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:09 amYou know the things are bad when you miss I-RIGHT-I *sigh*
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2007 @ 8:28 am
LOL
Try NoPC... He said that that is where is was going when his paranoia got the better of him here and he gave up.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:11 amjust sayin
Comment by rachel and angies friend — January 16, 2007 @ 8:10 am
Seems it's been several other trolls as well.
Well, later, I have work to do - was just curious if the troll revealed itself. Seems it has...
January 16th, 2007 at 9:14 amIt fits the pattern.
Comment by unbelievable
Funny how patterns can be spotted when one pays attention.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:14 amFunny how patterns can be spotted when one pays attention.
Comment by robert — January 16, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Indeed...
Okay, I'm off.... Have a good day.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:16 amUnbe,
Go teach something good today. :-)
January 16th, 2007 at 9:18 amFrankly, if illegal immigrants come to the USA to earn more money, I think they deserve it, because their fathers and gradfathers have produced a lot of the wealth now has the USA.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2007 @ 6:37 am
I understand. The problem is that they aren’t taking it from the rich elitists - they are taking it from the American poor and Middle class. That’s my problem. If they were milking the rich elitists who abused them, then I would wholly agree. But they aren’t. And that is where the system is corrupt to another level.
Would be like RobinHood stealing from the poor on a neighboring borough to feed the poor in his own. Not cool.
Comment by unbelievable — January 16, 2007 @ 9:07 am
But, again, the ones with some power to change things are the legal USA citizens. Don't give a free ride to the uber rich for the sake of some crappy jobs. Slap them with the law, voting against giveaways to cozy ex GOP cronies and corporate welfare. Too much poor people in your country play in the rich team, against their own interests. When protesting against hideous labor conditions become a social stygma, you know that workers are brainwashed.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:24 amI mean, don't place all the burden of the guilt in the shoulders of other even more disfavored people. If the liberals in your country (I don't even dare to use the word leftists, there is too many bad PR campaings weighing in the subconscient of every USA person, thanks to so many years of brainwashing) engage in a battle against the illegal immigrants, the only benefitted would be, again, the uber rich. After the dust settles, they simply can say "hey, you convinced us, we must hire only USA citizens. But our poor multinational corporation wouldn't make it if you don't accept being paid even less than the immigrants. You know, we must do a lot of paperwork with legal workers".
January 16th, 2007 at 9:41 amI don’t even dare to use the word leftists, there is too many bad PR campaings weighing in the subconscient of every USA person, thanks to so many years of brainwashing
Comment by Evil Spaniard
No se pudo haber dicho mejor.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:38 amCouldnt be said better.
#253 Gracias.
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January 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pmyou cannot just hack into tps server robert
this is criminal activity
Servers have an inbuild spying system of their own called "Carnivore" Goverments use this to access any server anytime via all ISP's which by law must run Carnivore
And Goverment access your homecomputer anytime using "magic latern"
January 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGo teach something good today. :-)
Comment by robert — January 16, 2007 @ 9:18 am
To 17 and 18 year old boys that wouldn't be anything I would actually be willing to show ; )
January 16th, 2007 at 5:22 pmBut, again, the ones with some power to change things are the legal USA citizens.
In theory... Otherwise, not really.
Don’t give a free ride to the uber rich for the sake of some crappy jobs.
We don't enforce that. And apparently neither does out law enforcement system who the rich own.
Slap them with the law, voting against giveaways to cozy ex GOP cronies and corporate welfare. Too much poor people in your country play in the rich team, against their own interests. When protesting against hideous labor conditions become a social stygma, you know that workers are brainwashed.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2007 @ 9:24 am
And not just brainwashed, but deathly afraid to wind up with even less...
January 16th, 2007 at 5:25 pmYou know, we must do a lot of paperwork with legal workersâ€.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Great in theory, but as long as the rich run the country (and they do on both sides of the fence), they won't punish themselves...
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