Congress warns Bush over Iran.
By on Jan 16th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Congress warns Bush over Iran.
“With President Bush adopting a more combative tone toward Iran and Syria, senior Democrats are considering legislation that would require the president to seek congressional sanction for military action against those countries,” CQ reports. “You will see a resolution saying they can’t go into Iran without congressional authorization,” said Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee.
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I think the Congress should review the current ‘authorization of use of force against Iraq. All elements and reasons which produced such authorization to start this war are not there anymore..The authorization was given in relationship to 9/11 and Saddam’s pursuit of WMDS….
January 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amThey had better make it quick.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amWhatever Congress does won’t mean much to Bush, unless they IMPEACH him. Even that won’t mean much until he is actually taken into custody.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:38 amLike a resolution from Congress will stop Bush from sending troops anywhere He decides.
Bush can use the War Powers Act to start a War anywhere He wants. The only way Congress can stop him is by eliminating funding. But if Congress does that, expect a signing statement treating the budget as advisory, to the extent it interferes with his Inherent Powers as Commander in Chief and a War-Time President.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:39 am#4 - Briseadh na Faire,
GWB really is no dummy. Looks like he’s tied things up very nicely for heimself, and he’s waving his middle finger at us.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:45 amDefense contractors (aka War Profiteers) must be going into an orgiastic feeding frenzy over the prospect of bidding to replace all the munitions and equipment Bush will expend against Iran.
Look for the bombs to begin falling 4-8 weeks after Bush’s State of the Union Address.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:45 amMistress Z,
It’s his way of sayin’ He’s number 1 (while he does a number 2 on the rest of the world)!
January 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amFirst of all, they need enough votes to override his veto. Second, even if they do, he’ll defy them anyway.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:49 amPosted this on ThinkFast, but it ties in nicely with this thread and what Briseadh na Faire just said about bombs dropping.
Major investment bank issues warning on strike against Iran.
Comment by trueblue — January 16, 2007 @ 9:08 am
January 16th, 2007 at 10:51 amoops, link here
January 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amMistress Z,
It’s his way of sayin’ He’s number 1 (while he does a number 2 on the rest of the world)!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Heh.
Ew.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amtarazan - right there. A rescinding of the force authorization is in order.
January 16th, 2007 at 10:54 amThen, when he defies that, impeach his chymp ass.
you mean to tell me Bush is a canon on the loose that can do anything he wants
January 16th, 2007 at 10:55 amBush’s legacy: The president who cried wolf
Olbermann: Bush’s strategy fails because it depends on his credibility
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16583889/
January 16th, 2007 at 11:06 amI will believe it when i see it. How many times have we watched bush and the white house lie, fail, deny, and not be accountable. congress has done nothing. if only they will start to act, take action and hold bush and others accountable for the lies.
January 16th, 2007 at 11:19 amEconomist, former assistant Treasury Secretary in the Reagan administration and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page; yesterday called the goofball (the president in case anyone has any doubt) an “insane war criminal” in an article on counterpunch.org because the nincompoop seems intent on war with Iran.
The article is here:
http://counterpunch.org/roberts01152007.html
January 16th, 2007 at 11:20 amtime to impeach cheney and his puppet for destroying the republic and trying to turn this world into a private playground for the obscenely wealthy while consigning 99% of the human population to the lives of slaves.
Time to DUMP the federal reserve and return to silver/gold standard
It’s over and it’s hunting in high places time
January 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amLock up the liquor cabinet and hide the car keys! Then, deck the halls for impeachment proceedings, and finish what was started on election day!!!
January 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amSaturday, January 13, 2007 · Last updated 12:04 p.m. PT. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. BREMERTON, Wash. - The Navy’s USS John C. Stennis will leave its homeport here at Naval Base Kitsap for a mission in the Gulf region as part of President Bush’s order for additional U.S. forces in Iraq.The Nimitz-class carrier and approximately 3,200 sailors are scheduled to l
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URL: http://seattlepi.com/ local/ 6420ap_wa_stennis_departs.html
More hints, nuance, pieces of the puzzle coming together…
January 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amThe only way to prevent Bush from starting a war with Iran is to impeach him NOW!
January 16th, 2007 at 11:44 amWarning won’t work. bush has already decided. Congress would have to issue articales of impeachment for Bush to notice. More forcefully they and the senate would have to fully impeach. Nothing less will change the our course on Iraq.
January 16th, 2007 at 11:44 amBriseadh na Faire sez:
I don’t think this administration is just going to preemptively bomb Iran…one of two things will happen to build public support first:
1. The U.S.S. Enterprise (the extra carrier Chimpy deployed to the Gulf) will be attacked and sunk, either by Iranian forces, or, more likely, Mossad masquerading as Iranian forces.
- or -
2. Israel and Iran will initiate hostilities. It is unlikely that Israel will overtly initiate the hostilities…it is far more likely that, if Iran fails to oblige them, they will create another false-flag attack, implicating the Iranians, and use that as the excuse to declare war. The U.S., ever the ‘ally’ of Israel, will hasten to their aid.
January 16th, 2007 at 11:46 amIsn’t it obvious that if Bush wants to do anything militarily in Iran that he needs the support of Congress? Seems like a no brainer to me.
January 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amAircraft carrier headed to Persian Gulf
Thursday, January 4, 2007 · Last updated 7:31 a.m. PT. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. WASHINGTON - The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis is scheduled to leave the United States this month for the Persian Gulf region in a Naval buildup aimed partly as a warning to Iran.Officials decided to send the Stennis strike group on top of a carrier group already in the region on a request late last yea
Last modified: January 4, 2007
URL: http://seattlepi.com/ national/ 1152ap_us_persian_gulf.html
Interesting how nine days earlier, the AP mentions that the carrier is headed out to warn Iran, then on the 13th it’s to support Iraq?/??
January 16th, 2007 at 11:48 amHow many times have we watched bush and the white house lie, fail, deny, and not be accountable.
Comment by beijair — January 16, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Ummmmmm…936?
January 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amits quite a sad commentary on today’s US government that Congress has to pass resolutions for things that have part of the Constitution since the birth of the nation. But that’s what happens when you have a dictator that feels free to ignore the rule of law at will.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:09 pm.
Its time to revisit the Constitution… which makes clear that America is not allowed to have dictators because only the PEOPLE through its representitives in Congress can declare war. This game of killing people in mass with no declaration of war is getting very dangerous and is breaking down the authority of the Constitution.
The ONLY guarantee we have of not becoming another dark ages england or a new rome is the guarantee that the executive cannot wage war to gain popularity or to corner the people into a fight they must win to survive. This is what kings and emperors always did. They started preemptive wars for political gain until they finally had the power to dissolve the Peoples power in the senate or Congress or whatever. This is why the Constitution reserves that right for the Congress ONLY. The War Powers Act needs to be reevaluated to see if it violates the Constitution. If it comes down to a fight between the Consitution and the War Powers Act the only acceptable winner is the Constitution.
In any country in which a single man can start a WAR that country is not free. If a single man can cast an entire nation into WAR, which is not easily undone, then that country is ripe for a dictator.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:09 pmAnother 109 dead Iraqis today.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI guess they’re killing each other over there so we won’t have to kill ourselves over here. Hmmm. Damn stupid.
“In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap, and much more difficult to find.” — Terry Pratchett
‘In the bathtub of history known as the Iraqi invasion, the truth will only be found by changing the soap’. - Zimzone
Bush has us all bending over.
Time to change the soap & clean up this mess.
‘You can lead a madman to water, but you can’t make him think’
January 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pm-Zimzone
History taught us that..it is much easier to start a war than to live it and end it without losses, pain and destruction. To start a war is easy among nations…it takes a spark..First World War started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo/Bosnia in June 1914. World War I followed next month in July of 1914..as a result of Ist World war..came the Treaty of Verseills which caused later the rise of Hitler and Nazis because the resentment of Germans of the way the treaty’s conditions and financial compensations were put on Germany as a result of the war,then later the war caused the rise of Communists and ‘Cold War’.. the shaping of Europe,the dividing the Middle East to many country as a result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire,the promise to create Israel in an agreement between England and France later was known as Sykes Peko agreement in 1917…and many other factors which we are still making and generating more wars for us…..The killing of Franz might not be the only reason that caused World War 1, But it was the spark…..Starting wars is always easy…but the results could be devastating, for years to come.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe point of passing a resolution stating that Bush cannot attack Iran without congressional approval is not whether it passes or not or whether Bush can veto it or not.
The point of such a resolution is to put every congressman on record as to whether they are willing to vote to protect and uphold their constitutional responsibility to vote for a war.
Anyone who doesn’t, regardless of party, should be either 1) impeached or 2) voted out of office for dereliction of duty.
The second reason is to draw a line in the sand. If Bush ignores the resolution and attacks Iran anyway, or stick a signing statement on it and attacks anyway, that would amount to a “smoking gun” reason for impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. They could forget all the other issues and just run with that ball, completing the process in a week or two so that this brown streak on the toilet paper of history could be eliminated, once and for all from the body politic.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey #22
Trip,
…you may not be trippin’…
…Remember the Maine!…
…that kind of sh*t has worked before…
…Remember 9/11!
January 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmbig papa sez:
Indeed…remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
And we have an extra carrier strike force sitting off Iran’s coast…why?
I give it 6-8 weeks before that carrier is attacked and either sunk outright, or nearly so, killing many American servicemen. The public will cry out in outrage, and Congress will pass an Emergency Authorization of Military Force against Iran.
(Sound familiar?)
Either this will happen, or Israel will engage Iran, probably after a false-flag attack perpetrated by Mossad, to make it appear as if the Iranians have attacked Israel.
Either way, the US will be committed. War with Iran is inevitable. It’s the only way this administration can hold onto their power and escape criminal prosecution.
We Americans had better brush up on our history (even the less palatable bits) because we’re repeating it right now.
January 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIf Bushitler gets us into a war with Iran, the hell with impeachment. Storm the Bastille and remove this fuhrer wannabe by force(whatever means necessary) and hang him from the nearest lamppost.
January 16th, 2007 at 5:54 pm