Rice’s Short-Lived Commitment To Middle East Democracy
Rice’s Short-Lived Commitment To Middle East Democracy
Bush administration officials frequently claim they are committed to democracy and freedom in the Middle East, not mere “stability.” As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice put it on 6/20/05:
For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region here in the Middle East– and we achieved neither. Now, we are taking a different course. We are supporting the democratic aspirations of all people.
President Bush reaffirmed this commitment more recently on the fifth anniversary of September 11. “Years of pursuing stability to promote peace had left us with neither. So we changed our policies, and committed America’s influence in the world to advancing freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and radicalism.”
In reality, the Bush administration continues to overlook serious abuses of fundamental democratic rights. As the New York Times reports, Rice did not address Egypt’s poor human rights record while she was in the region meeting with government officials:
In the days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with officials in Egypt, the news media here were filled with stories detailing charges of corruption, cronyism, torture and political repression. …
Ms. Rice, who once lectured Egyptians on the need to respect the rule of law, did not address those domestic concerns. Instead, with Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit by her side, she talked about her appreciation for Egypt’s support in the region.
It was clear that the United States — facing chaos in Iraq, rising Iranian influence and the destabilizing Israeli-Palestinian conflict — had decided that stability, not democracy, was its priority, Egyptian political commentators, political aides and human rights advocates said.
According to the State Department’s latest report on human rights, in 2005, the Egyptian “government’s respect for human rights remained poor, and serious abuses continued in many areas.”
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Mahmoud Abbas has told Condoleezza Rice
He opposes the establishment of a provisional Palestinian state within temporary borders.”The Palestinian people have waited a long time for their own legal state defined in 1967. The Israeli people have waited a long time to live in security and peace with their neighbours,”
Jordan’s king meets Rice
He also called on a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict based on international legality and the Arab Peace Initiative.
This initiative, unveiled at an Arab summit in Lebanon in 2002, calls for Israel to withdraw from all territory occupied since the 1967 Mideast war in return for full recognition by Arab countries.
All The arabs are saying the same thing and Rice is NOT LISTENING
January 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmshorter condi rice: “I’m an idiot”
January 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pm.
We were for peace and stability before we are against it.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pmWhat, Us Worry??
Rice is right that only democracy can achieve long term stability. Only democracy provides the ability for people to address their grievences before a governing body and / or vote out those representatives, if they do not. Otherwise, their only recourse is civil disobedience and ultimately violence, both of which undermine stability.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pmI really dislike how she refers to the USA as “my country.” Just like Bush refers to “my government.”
Both are wrong.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pmIf your country has good shoes, she’ll deal with it.
Now why would Rice listen to other countries? She has to come up with all the ideas, on her terms, with nice shoes on.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmThat photo is effin’ scary.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmRice is right that only democracy can achieve long term stability.
That’s not what she’s saying now. Now, stability is paramount, democracy’s somewhere down the road.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:55 pmRice is right that only democracy can achieve long term stability. Only democracy provides the ability for people to address their grievences before a governing body and / or vote out those representatives, if they do not. Otherwise, their only recourse is civil disobedience and ultimately violence, both of which undermine stability.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Mr. Heat Island:
Since when is Democracy going to work in these barbaric countries which would much rather have a theocracy based on their fundamental religious beliefs?
January 16th, 2007 at 12:55 pmIt’s gonna be a while for Democracy in these areas Jason. They are like only 1500 years away from accepting Democracy. Jeez, your theories are great, but your practical application stinks. Pull your head out man.
January 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIf Any of you had bothered to read Rice’s visits to these states they all say
“They all call for Israel to withdraw from all territory occupied since the 1967 Mideast war in return for full recognition by Arab countries.”
Now lets say Mexico invaded California would you ever agree to California now being a part of Mexico……… I think not wake up and smell the coffee
January 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmRice is just a mouthpiece for Big Oil companies, so democracy is not what she cares about. Iraq has lots of Oil and Rice cares about that only!
January 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI actually find myself in agreement with ForTruth in large part. In supporting the liberation of Iraq, I agreed with the President that helping the Arab Middle East achieve democracy could help curb the growth of radical Islamist terrorism, such as we saw on September 11, 2001. However, the violence and sectarian warfare that has taken place in Iraq subesequent to the deposing of the monstrous Saddam Hussein has left me seriously doubting whether the Arab Islamic Middle East is currently capable of creating and sustaining a peaceful and stable democracy. They seem more willing to indulge in ancient, perceived religious differences rather than building a peaceful democratic state for themselves and their children. Perhaps the former U.S. policy in the Middle East, by which stability was valued over democracy, was the correct one.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmOnly democracy provides the ability for people to address their grievences before a governing body and / or vote out those representatives, if they do not. Otherwise, their only recourse is civil disobedience and ultimately violence, both of which undermine stability.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
An idiot from a 300 y/o country is giving advice to a 4000 y/o civilization.
And what is democracy when the prez acts as a dictator with over 10,000 nuclear weapons and his crazy fingers are near the launch button?
January 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pmLook at the anger in Rice’s face as she speaks. Not very diplomatic.
And speaking of diplomacy, shouldn’t the issue of the type of government be handled by a combination of diplomacy and the desire of the nations at issue?
Once again the attitude of “my way or the highway” has failed miserably and predictably so.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI’ve never heard more “blather” than comes from Dr. Rice. Inane blather. Wingnuts, get your dictionaries out once in a while, and begin to understand that when you agree with Dr. Rice, you are agreeing with meaningless words, posited in contradiction to policy and action. In school, very low grades would be awarded to the efforts of Dr. Rice, and others like Rumsfeld and Cheney (I don’t include Dubbie, ’cause all he’s ever done is repeat what they’ve told him).
Hendler, I would never, nor would I sanction another to deprive you of any of your personally chosen views on any particular subject. I’ll disagree with you honorably on any of them and still be able to be your good neighbor, BUT, if you don’t do the basic work of sifting out the bullshit, it’s going to be a lot tougher than necessary.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:08 pmShe should be fired but she won’t be. The DOS has been a real mess ever since she arrived.
She is a policy wonk, not an administrator. She is in so far over her head that it is scary. Any other secretary of state would have been fired a long time ago. It is because of her relationship to the Bush family that she remains there–mean while, the american people are the ones suffering from their collective ignorance.
This woman makes me sick. I can’t watch her on televison anymore than I can watch “the decider.”
January 16th, 2007 at 1:09 pmBush may be stupid, but he’s not that stupid. He can’t invade Iran, and he knows it. It’s 3 times the size of Iraq. Only the Chinese have an army big enough to occupy Iran.
Bush *can*, of course, bomb Iran. He probably will. It’s his way.
Bombing Iran will, of course, destroy any chance of democracy in Iraq, or a Palistinian solution, or indeed move us any nearer to democracy in Egypt, Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan or Algeria, but that was never really the issu, was it?
Neocons don’t need peace and democracy. If such a thing existed, they would have no point. They would cease to be. The Neocons need perpetual war. Thankfully (for them) 9/11 has given them an excuse to wage a perpetual war.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:10 pmBush cannot alter two facts, one geographical and the other religious. Iraq and Iran share a 750-mile long border which is impossible to seal. Also, 90% of Iranians and 60% of Iraqis belong to Shia Islam.
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Of that 750 miles most is mountainous and only Khuzistan is practicable terrain for any significant land force. Khuzistan is perfectly flat, ideal for the shooting-range type of warfare that the US loves and practiced with brutal efficiency in the Kuwaiti desert. The US military called the Gulf War “the biggest firing squad in history.” If Iran tries anything funny via Khuzistan, it’ll be demoted to SECOND biggest firing squad.
The rest of the border is only useful for special forces, of which Iran admittedly has a lot and good ones. Let’s hope they give the Yanks and Brits a good whacking.
As for Iraqis being mostly Shia that was also the case when they fought Iran for ten years. So what?
Both during the Iran-Iraq war and today what matters is NATIONAL allegiance not sectarianism. Sistani refuses to receive Iraqi citizenship. He remains an Iranian, a fifth-column traitor if there ever was one. He betrayed the patriotic Mahdi Army when it was fighting the US Marines in Najaf and allowed the US to raze half the city to drive them out then to install the Iranian-controlled Badr Brigade in their place.
When push comes to shove between Iran and Iraq, Sistani will be put to the test of patriotism and fail. Any Shia who still follow him will then be considered as Iranian agents.
In many provinces of Iraq the Sunni resistance has stopped firing on US forces if they are not accompanied by Shia forces. The Sunni resistance has made a standing offer to the US to fight Iran and its fifth column together. That’s why Saddam made that odd-sounding appeal to the Iraqi people “not to hate America,” shortly before his murder at the hands of Iranian stooges.
The US has rejected the Sunni offer, preferring to pit both sides against one another but US troops are not going out of their way to hunt down Sunnis now that they are not being fired at by them.
Instead, the US has set its sights on the Mahdi Army, which is Iran’s main joker against the US in Iraq because it’s a lot bigger than the Badr Brigade and unlike the Badr, is not chaperoned constantly by US troops who are ready to blow away the lightly-armed and -armored Badrists at the slightest sign of treachery.
Iran made a huge mistake by co-opting some of Moqtada Sadr’s commanders for its genocide campaign against Sunnis. Moqtada has consistently stood for national unity, unlike the SCIRI and DAWA who are separatist, and tried hard to stop a civil war. But as statisticsandspin pointed out in another thread, there are a lot of petty crooks and other unsavory characters among the Mahdists and these are the sort of people who can be easily bought, which they were. (Stat believes Moqtada is also a no-good bum who sold out to the US but I remember that he was wounded at Najaf fighting the Marines. Strange way to sell out.)
By bribing the Mahdists to commit genocide, Iran has demonized them in the eyes of the world, giving the US an excuse to wipe them out, which it is preparing to do. Obviously, the Sunnis are shedding no tears for those with whom they once fought side-by-side in Najaf and Falluja against the US.
Can the coming US attack on Iran save the Sunnis from genocide? I think it can. The Sunni resistance can handle the Badr Brigade, but not the Badrists and Sadrists together. If the US takes out the Mahdi Army, the Sunnis can take care of themselves.
If the Sunnis feel secure enough once again, they just might restart attacks against the US, thereby de facto joining ranks with Iraq’s Shia, who will naturally drop their passive attitude when the US attacks the widely popular Moqtada Sadr. A fight with Iran could be just the thing to end the civil war and bring the Shia and Sunni who are true Iraqis back together again. A war with Iran just might save Iraq.
As the kickoff of the war between the Dumbya junta and the Iranian ayatollahs approaches, let us repeat the prayer that Henry Kissinger said during the Iran-Iraq war: “I hope they kill each other.” Let us hope that both the US and the ayatollahs are brought to their knees by this war. Then all the people who are going to die will have truly died for freedom, freedom from theocracy and freedom from US imperialism. The entire planet will be grateful to them for generations.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:17 pm“We intentionally disbanded the military and set the conditions to foment civil war, allowing open borders and flase flag bombers to create chaos - and we did it all on purpose to justify our forever occupation - and look what happened - A CIVIL WAR!
No democracy for You! Only murder and mayhem until you are all dead! That will teach you! Who could have known it would turn out this way ;-) ?
Thanks for the oil!”
If you’re not cynical, you’re not paying attention.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pmC’mmon guys America is declining with the speed o light.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pm60 years ago it had over 50% of world economy, today is about 20% and is shrinking every day. USA can do less and less.
Vietnam was much over its capabilities when US was much stronger. And see today, communists won and Vietnam has 10% GDP growth - who needed 2.5 millions people burnt with napalm?
About capabilities of US to achieve anything lets see New Orleans where rotting bodies were lying in the middle of city for days…and the city is still i ruins when Sri Lanka after Tsunami is already rebuilt…
Bush can scream, enlarge, bomb, rethink and introduce and nothing would be as American excpect - everything will go own way.
In the meantime US will add another few trilions to the budget and state deficit.
Infant mortality higher than in Cuba, teen’s Chlamydia 20 times higher than in France but Yankee pretend to shape the world…is tragic and commical in the same time.
Iran demonstrated a tast of it’s capabilities in the Summer war in Lebanon.
They will get nowhere with platitudes and protests.
If they want to make an impression about the sanctity of diplomatic missions, they shuld make one american consulate in some far off location go up in smoke.
Deniably of course.
They have been producing radio isotopes for many decades, perhaps a dirty nuke in the hands of some renegade terror group is a message which Washington would listen to?
Surely weakness and ambivalence will not pay off.
Bush is a brute on a rampage. one doesnt play Chess with a rabid dog.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmPerhaps she should make sure she is serenely playing the piano whilst having these discussions.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAt least something would be getting accomplished.
In the days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with officials in Egypt, the news media here were filled with stories detailing charges of corruption, cronyism, torture and political repression. …
I disagree with the headline “Rice’s Short-Lived Commitment To Middle East Democracy”. It sure looks like our kind of democracy to me….unfortunately.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pm” He who trades demo-crazy for stability doesn’t deserve either”
January 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWhen Condi preaches democracy, I can’t imagine the Kings, the Royal Families and the leaders of militias saying anything besides blow me.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThe Saudis have ENDORSED the surge. So did Jordan.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDoes this mean a regional war if the surge fails?
Rice should stick to lectures on “augmentation.”
January 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI say lets get stability first and the next administration will hopefully believe in REAL democracy that isnt forced from the barrel of a gun… you know the kind where the people themselves actually believe in it first and then try to attain democracy.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pmOf course, it never was about democracy and the chaos was probably deliberate:
That was one startling headline in the Washington Post this morning — Saudi says no need to panic over oil price drop.What peak oil? Did we really invade Iraq to keep its oil in the ground? Was Greg Palast right? And what now? With Iraq in total chaos and much of its oil off the market, there still seems to be way too much oil slopping around in world oil markets. The trouble with OPEC is, everyone cheats. To get supply and demand back in a nice proper balance that keeps oil prices high, it would be nice if you could find another country whose entire oil supply you could just remove from the market. Hey, what about finding a pretext to attack Iran?
January 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pmRice is right that only democracy can achieve long term stability.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler #4
Jason,
As loath as I am to attempt engaging intellectual charlatans in any type of meaningful debate…
…I will only make a short response to the statement above…
…understand (if you have the capacity to) …
…Shari’a Law has been with the people of the ME for centuries…
…most of them feel about Shari’a Law like you claim to feel about democracy…
…the BIGGEST difference btwn YOU and them is…
…they’re willing to die for their beliefs…
…you (obviously) aren’t…
January 16th, 2007 at 2:01 pmCondoleezza Rice: The most worthless and most dishonest Secretary of State ever. Among her claims to shame: Rice twiddled her thumbs while Lebanon burned.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI think her talking about the Middle Eastern issues lacks the neutrality because her total commitment to the Israeli side and the advise of AIPAC on the issues. Something she cannot overcome,intentionally or otherwise so her many visits to the Middle East will not poduce any fruitful results due to the fact that she is one sided on many issues, Whether it is the Palestinian/Israeli issue or the Iranian nuclear issues. Her actions during the Israel/Lebanon war last July showed her one sided approach describing the daily aerial bombardments of Lebanese cities as ‘the birth pangs of a new Middle East’. Until she starts to talk in ‘unbiased’ way to the reigion’s issues,then it will make no difference how many trips she makes to the area…because the problems are well known,and so are the solutions. She is not willing to criticise Israel and willing to block any criticism of Israel in the UN security Council whether Israel right or wrong…so how can she solve any problem in the area?
January 16th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI just crossed Stanford off the list of Universities my daughter will be considering.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pmOh, yeah, Hendler too. Bah!
….yeah, but she speaks Russian and plays the piano. That has to amount to something.
She is so far over her head.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:20 pmCaption Contest:
January 16th, 2007 at 2:30 pm‘Here’s my Dick Cheney impression’…
The Saudis have ENDORSED the surge. So did Jordan.
Does this mean a regional war if the surge fails?
Comment by Marie #28
Marie,
The (Sunni) Saudis recently summoned L’il Dick to let it be known that Iran (Shi’ites) must not be allowed to neutralize the Sunni influence in Iraq…
why?
Iranian President Ahmadinejad recently met with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez…
…these two countries represent the 4th and 5th largest oil reserves in the world…
…they (Iran and Venezuela) are making mutual non-aggression pacts, as well as forming their own petro-alliance, and have said that they want OPEC to cut production to increase revenue (probably to fund their armies/weapons and bolster their positins in the geopolitical game of “Hegemon”- that the U.S. corporate thugs/military and their lackeys started)…
…Should IRAQ become an Iranian satellite (which is the likely scenario WHEN the U.S. leaves)…
…this would mean that Iraq (#2 oil reserves), Iran (#4) and Venezuela(#5) would rival (if not outright overtake) the power of Saudi (#1) controlled OPEC…
…oil security is the ME hot potato forcing the criminal Bushite junta’s hand towards armed conflict with Iran…
…the 2000 lb. gorillas in the room that everyone is ignoring (because the gorilla is quite quiet at present)…
…are the Russians and Chinese (who have economic interests in Venezuela and Iran)…
…and in Russia’s case…
…a deep seeded need for revenge against the U.S. government that (under Ronald Raygun) supported the mujaheddin in Afghanistan during Russia’s invasion of that country…
…that invasion eventually bankrupted the then Soviet Union, causing the collapse of the Soviet state…
…of course I don’t need to tell you what the Iranians and Venezuelans think of the imperialist Bushites…
…unfortunately for us little guys (bec it’s not the American “people”- who also despise Bush and didn’t vote for him- that Iran and Venezuela want to punish)…
…we’re in for some pretty steep future energy costs…
…unless we can offer the new oil Barons of the world an olive branch…
…Bushiva, L’il Dick, et al’s heads on a platter, and the U.S. military and corporate thugs out of the ME and Latin America- unless we stay on THEIR terms…
January 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#36…….yeah, but she speaks Russian and plays the piano. That has to amount to something.
She is so far over her head.
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
I think Condi should move to Russia and do the cabaret circuit. She can do songs about death and dying. I think she’d be perfect.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“In the days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with officials in Egypt, the news media here were filled with stories detailing charges of corruption, cronyism, torture and political repression. ”
At first reading I thought the “here” was in Washington DC! An honest and easily made mistake.
In any event, how can Rice possibly lecture anyone on corruption, cronyism, torture, and political repression? One has only to look at the Bush record on each of these to show it has no moral authority at all.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pmRice is right that only democracy can achieve long term stability. Only democracy provides the ability for people to address their grievences before a governing body and / or vote out those representatives, if they do not. Otherwise, their only recourse is civil disobedience and ultimately violence, both of which undermine stability. …Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That does not mean that the U.S. should force a country into democracy. Our country’s democracy was built by civil disobedience. IMO, that is the only way. Besides democracy is not the only system that has a mechanism for grievences, even if it is arguably the best. BTW, Jason, can’t you also see that there can be a dictator within democracy? Don’t have to look too far, either.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pmHow about start with some real democracy here in the U.S.
Let me ask you this: Who had more say about going to war, Iraqui citizens or American citizens?
Rabbit
January 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pm“How about start with some real democracy here in the U.S.”
Eggs. Ack. Lee.
No more of this plutocratic, trickle-down CRAP.
January 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAround the Blogs…
I just hate waking up late, like I did this morning. No time to check in on the news, no time to blog a post or two, and barely enough time to feed Merlin and the birds, grab a cup…
January 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThats what bush thinks democracy is. Mission accomplished
January 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm#38 big papa
I recall Darth being summoned to SA recently to be told their views on Iraq.
Then today I hear of this approval of the surge.
I have a skeptical mind when it comes to Bush&Co, but this ME intrigue is extremely complicated and I am baffled sometimes.
I accept your theory on Iran/Venezuela (note they also plan to market oil NOT on the US dollar as today, which is bad news for the US).
A regional war between SA and the I/I/V alliance would involve us.
If the surge doesn’t work and we are unable to keep the Shia from
joining Iran, SA will step in and there will be regional war, with the US in the middle there on the ground, and here at the mercy of those who would bankrupt us.
Am I reading this as you are?
January 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pmIraq may be pushing U.S. on Israel-Palestinian
January 16th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThat’s the truest picture of Condi I’ve ever seen.
She scares small children and animals…
January 16th, 2007 at 7:08 pm#46 Marie
January 16th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIt looks like we’re screwed any way you look at it. If SA actually follows through with their ‘threat” to Chaney, and not just a scare tactic, to keep us fighting. Then with Iran, Iraq, & Venezuela forming their own OPEC, not using American dollars(but euros?)ticking off SA, over the oil, and not to mention Russia and China waiting in the wings, it looks like Iraq maybe our Waterloo. I’ve heard if China switches to euros, it would have a disasterous effect for the US. It is confusing and scary! We have Bush and his cohorts to thank for putting us into the middle.
An idiot from a 300 y/o country is giving advice to a 4000 y/o civilization.
Comment by Juan C
Juan,
This is when your perspective is really valuable. Americans really need to try to wrap their brains around this.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by Marie #46
I’d say I can find no fault in your logic…
…the ONLY way to stop this (seriously)…
…is to show the world that we have repented from the right wing criminal corporate culture of hegemonic, imperialist, corruption and arrogance…
…FIRST, we MUST prosecute Bushiva, L’il Dick and as many of the architects of this travesty in Iraq as possible (turn them over to the Hague or world court AFTER we’ve confiscated their personal assets)…
…SECOND, we pay reparations/fund an international peacekeeping force acceptable to all players in the I/I/SA/Syria/Jordanian region, until the Iraqi government can solidify its constitutional (whatever THEY want to call it)…
…THIRD, we pressure Israel to make peace with the Palestinians “or else”…
…and FOURTH,, our NEXT American President and his SOS embark on a worldwide tour (to countries like Iran, Venezuela, NK, Syria) and make nice, show respect and contrition…
January 16th, 2007 at 8:02 pmJuan,
Your perspective is always valuable. You know what I mean.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:03 pm#46
January 16th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThis is one sorry and scary state of affairs.
As you say, it looks like we are screwed no matter what.
Iran has said it is seriously considering Euros for its oil market.
I think Saddam Hussein was also entertaining a similar thought in before we invaded.
#51 big papa
Nicely said.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#51, big papa
January 16th, 2007 at 8:10 pmThat sounds better to me than anything that Bushie has said.
I saw the moron on PBS tonight with Jim Lehrer. It’s hard to watch him without swearing and feeling bile rise up in my throat.
Russia saw its disintegration begin in Afghanistan.
January 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWe are seeing our own disintegration begin in Iraq.
with that expression what i really want to see is a cage fight between her and Chene¥..they are both snarlin curs with teeth nearly bared
January 16th, 2007 at 8:56 pmScary
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