Gonzales Backs Away From Administration’s Previous Attacks Over Eavesdropping
Gonzales Backs Away From Administration’s Previous Attacks Over Eavesdropping
On multiple occasions leading up to the November elections, President Bush accused opponents of his domestic warrantless wiretap program of not wanting to listen to terrorist phone calls:
BUSH: In all these vital measures for fighting the war on terror, the Democrats just follow a simple philosophy: Just say no. When it comes to listening to the terrorists, what’s the Democrats’ answer? It’s, just say no. [10/30/06]
BUSH: If the people of the United States don’t think we ought to be listening in on the conversations of people who could do harm to the United States, then go ahead and vote for the Democrats. [10/4/06]
BUSH: The stakes in this election couldn’t be more clear. If you don’t think we should be listening in on the terrorist, then you ought to vote for the Democrats. If you want your government to continue listening in when al Qaeda planners are making phone calls into the United States, then you vote Republican. [10/3/06]
As Glenn Greenwald first noted, during today’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) confronted Attorney General Gonzales with these accusations. Gonzales denied they referred to elected officials, but instead to unnamed “blogs today”:
FEINGOLD: Do you know of anyone in this country, Democrat or Republican, in government or on the outside, who has argued that the United States government should not wiretap suspected terrorists?
GONZALES: Sure. I mean, if you look on the blogs today, there are all kinds of people who have very strong views about the ability of the government to surveil anyone for any reason. And so…
FEINGOLD: Do you know of anybody in government that has said that?
GONZALES: No. But my remarks — that’s not what I said. […]
FEINGOLD: […] Mr. Attorney General, as I said when Director Mueller was here, to me these comments are blatantly false. I think they do a disservice to the office of the attorney general. Falsely accusing the majority of this committee of opposing the wiretapping of terrorists is not going to be helpful to you, to the Justice Department, to Congress or to the American people.
GONZALES: Senator, I didn’t have you or this committee in mind when I made those comments.
[Ed. note: Since this post was published, we replaced a paraphrased transcript with the official, accurate transcript above.]
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Sorry backpeddling away from your criminal behavior does not immune you and your Fuhrer from subsequnt prosecutions.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:12 pmPerish the thought.
yeah.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:13 pmWHY ARE CONS OK WITH CONSTITUTIONAL
VIOLATIONS?
Are you going to be singing the same tune if Hillary Clinton (WE ALL PRAY NO) is wielding unchecked Executive power making it up as she pleases with no checks and balances?
Now that it is evident that President Bush has also lied and has been spying domestically on Americans calls and e-mails without a warrant since 2003 are you OK with that?
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/
http://www.eff.org/ news/ archives/ 2006_04.php#004538
I doubt many Americans realize these criminal constitutional violations are not about the FISA application with a source outside the USA. Fuhrer Bush and his ilk like A.G. Have been spying on Americans exclusively
January 18th, 2007 at 7:17 pmWho does he think he is fooling?
They are like a pack of drunk teenagers thinking they’ll fool their parents into thinking they are ‘just tired’…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:18 pmGONZALES: I didn’t have you in mind… Perish the thought.
*beep* *beep* *beep*
January 18th, 2007 at 7:21 pmSnidley Whiplash with the DoughBoy face replies….”I didn’t have you in mind, blah, blah……more BS than before!”. Retire Gonzalez quick. He’s a disgrace as Attorney General.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:25 pmAlberto “DoLittle” Gonzales is a disgrace to the office he holds.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmPerhaps someone needs to question his ability to read at all - it seems that he’s so ill prepared at any hearing saying that he “hasn’t read the report yet” or “doesn’t have the report ready yet” that he should be fired for culpable negligence immediately.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI really detest this guy. When I see him I always think what a small, small man he is.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:29 pmAnd THIS thing is the Attorney General of the United States, God Help us!! This man has done more to subvert the Constitution of the United States than any other, well except Ashcraft. He is THE threat to our way of life. Alberto Gonzales forgot that the AG is the PEOPLE’s ATTORNEY, not GW BUSH’s. That is what he had ol’ Harriet Miers for, until he canned her because her legal skills are not up to par. Especially what HE will be facing–IMPEACHMENT. ALL OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, GONZALES. RUMSFELD NEEDS TO BE HAULED OFF TO THE HAGUE.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:30 pmAG refused to say what kind of “creative” thinking was involved in the agreement to agree to FISA.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:34 pmIs there now a blanket warrant for an entire group of people?
“Look at the blogs”… Does that mean, Abu, that your thugs are monitoring the blogs? Good. Then maybe you can document your accusations.
Can you find one instance, you miserable suck-up, when progressive blogs advocated the end of eavesdropping on potential terrorists? No. So you are better off shutting off your cowardly mouth. Go play your role of “The Hispanic Who Wanted to Be a WASP”. You are a total disgrace to Hispanics in this country. Hopefully, you will rot in a The Hague jail with your master G. W. Bush.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWell Gonzo also asserted that there was no such thing as Hebeas Corpus in the US Constitution as well. He got his degree from a crackerjack box and should be thrown out of office along with the other criminals in the White House. IMPEACH NOW!
January 18th, 2007 at 7:35 pmAlberto Gonzales talks with the confidence of a man who has a signed Presidential Pardon in his back pocket.
Don’t expect this guy to give up anything of any value.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:37 pmi love the mention “blogs”. thats a pretty broad statement. thats like saying “from people that read and write newspapers.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:41 pmDon’t expect this guy to give up anything of any value.
Comment by Abby — January 18, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
I’m of the opinion that if his arm is twisted just a bit, he’ll squeal like a pig…
He just thinks he above getting his arm twisted. For now, he may be. But just for now…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmMy God. What an incredible tool Gonzales is. How does the guy sleep at night? He must think Bush and the Republican party are more important than the country. How does somebody become like this? He must know that he sounds like a complete fool. Has he been threatened with blackmail or what? It is very hard to understand… and frustrating.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:49 pmSimple question.
Gonzales feels that the administration’s position before was legal.
So what’s to prevent them from changing their mind again and going back to the old system on March 1st?
After these investigations have gone away, and after the court cases (1/31/07) go away.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmWhat a punk. This is the attitude of people who think they are above the law. They run our country, immune from prosecution. I’d like to start the impeachments with him. Frankly, the Democrats are wearing me out. It’s time to get these bastards. When are the REAL hearings going to begin????
January 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWhat’s really amazing about all of the folks in the administration is that they spin so much, I’m surprised they’re not dizzy…. no wait, perhaps that IS their problem! Sheesh what a bunch of loons.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThis one is about to be shut down
Comment by concerned poster — January 18, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Why are you here? Seriously?
January 18th, 2007 at 8:28 pmWhat a difference a year - and electoral disaster - makes. As Attorney General Alberto Gonzales defended the Bush administration’s illegal NSA domestic spying last February, Republicans Senators rushed to the defense of the President and his program. Fast forward to yesterday’s announcement by Gonzales that the White House was backing away from wiretapping without FISA court warrants and the GOP’s histrionics seem all the more comical.
For the details, see:
January 18th, 2007 at 8:31 pm“GOP Flashback: No Civil Liberties When You’re Dead.”
My attornet will be glad to here you are submitting IP addresses on here
You are privy to peoples IP adresses ?
Registration?
Get ready to find another blog
This one is about to be shut down
Comment by concerned poster — January 18, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
A complete MORON!!!!!!
January 18th, 2007 at 8:32 pmImpeach Scumberto Bagzales now.
-GSD
January 18th, 2007 at 8:32 pmrachel,
i just blew your brains out on the earlier fisa thread.
no TP doesn’t have your IP, but the machine that hosts their site does,
January 18th, 2007 at 8:34 pmDIPSHIT.
As I stated before, if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have not one thing to worry about.
Nice, encouraging the mindset promoted by totalitarian governments. That is something Stalin, Hitler or Saddam would advocate.
No wonder people can’t stand this administration anymore, it is full of apologists for fascism and Big Brother state intrusion.
-GSD
January 18th, 2007 at 8:35 pm#22 - So you think that spying on ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS is totally OK, as long as someone promises it might under certain conditions prevent terrorism? What the hell kind of terrorist is using a landline phone anyway? You know they encrypt their communications - they’re not much of a threat otherwise.
Pull your head out of the republican ass and think. I know it hurts, but the pain goes away once you realize the pain of how stupid you’ve been.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:35 pmYou want to read about who we should really be scared of? Arabs got nothing on the Chinese. While we waste all of our money on a war in Iraq, they are creating devices to remove our military advantages. No GPS, no tactical strikes.
U.S. official: Chinese test missile obliterates satellite
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ TECH/ space/ 01/ 18/ china.missile/ index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) — China last week successfully used a missile to destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The missile carried a “kill vehicle” and destroyed the satellite by ramming it.
The test took place on January 11. (Watch why the U.S. has protested the missile strike Video)
Aviation Week and Space Technology first reported the test: “Details emerging from space sources indicate that the Chinese Feng Yun 1C (FY-1C) polar orbit weather satellite launched in 1999 was attacked by an asat (anti-satellite) system launched from or near the Xichang Space Center.”
A U.S. official, who would not agree to be identified, said the event was the first successful test of the missile after three failures.
The official said that U.S. “space tracking sensors” confirmed that the satellite is no longer in orbit and that the collision produced “hundreds of pieces of debris,” that also are being tracked.
The United States logged a formal diplomatic protest.
“We are aware of it and we are concerned, and we made it known,” said White House spokesman Tony Snow.
Several U.S. allies, including Canada and Australia, also have registered protests.
Under a space policy authorized by President Bush in August, the United States asserts a right to “freedom of action in space” and says it will “deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so.”
The policy includes the right to “deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests.”
Low Earth-orbit satellites have become indispensable for U.S. military communications, GPS navigation for smart bombs and troops, and for real-time surveillance. The Chinese test highlights the satellites’ vulnerability.
“If we, for instance, got into a conflict over Taiwan, one of the first things they’d probably do would be to shoot down all of our lower Earth-orbit spy satellites, putting out our eyes,” said John Pike of globalsecurity.org, a Web site that compiles information on worldwide security issues.
“The thing that is surprising and disturbing is that [the Chinese] have chosen this moment to demonstrate a military capability that can only be aimed at the United States,” he said.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:41 pmi happen to think that the biggest problem with the trolls was exaserbated by responding to them… my definition of a troll isn’t as broad as some… THIS one is obvious… the kind best ignored, turned in …
January 18th, 2007 at 8:41 pmjust sayin’
OT - sorry
January 18th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI don’t think O’Reilly getsColbert.
I think he takes him seriously - no wonder O’Reilly’s audience is mostly geezers.
WHY DID NO MEDIA OUTLET REPORT THIS REVELATION?
F I S A
W O R K S
B U S H
V I O L A T E D
T H E
L A W
N E E D L E S S L Y
O’Reilly Reveals Truth About FISA Courts in interview with Chertoff
Homeland Security Sec’y Michael Chertoff on Foiled Terror Plot
Friday, August 11, 2006
FOX NEWS INTERVIEW
EXCERPT:
O’REILLY: OK. Last question for you. The fact that the NSA was able to intercept some of these phone calls that were made in the United States to Al Qaeda in Britain by using the very controversial — although I understand warrants were obtained for this by the FISA court. In your opinion, does that mean that the Bush administration is justified now in its original policy? Is this a big win politically for you guys?
CHERTOFF: Well, Bill, of course I’m not going to confirm particular techniques were used, but I do think this.
O’REILLY: You won’t deny, though.
CHERTOFF: Obviously I’m not going to discuss classified techniques.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207930,00.html
Contrary to O’Reilly’s SPIN, this revelation actually destroys the Administration’s original claims relative to the FISA courts being too slow and cumbersome.
Did the Administration CLASSIFY the fact that they used FISA?
Did O’Reilly reveal classified information?
Chertoff implied as much.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:49 pmIsn’t there a third world South American country where Abu Gonzalez would feel more comfortable serving?
January 18th, 2007 at 8:50 pmTo: # 22 /Are You All Paranoid…. and # 32/ Me
Thank goodness people are finally starting to see through the unadulterated crap of the above posters. “Not gonna do it” guys. You fail. You fail to distract and you fail to instill more fear. The “if you’ve done nothing wrong” gambit is SO lame. I’d laugh in your face but I have too much contempt for you.
Anyone who trusts the government blindly to play fair…..not harm those who have “done nothing wrong” is an idiot or a or trying to manipulate idiots.
Maybe Gonzales is paying you eh? We’re so past your kind of stupid con.
Time for Americans to continue exposing these fools.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:51 pmoh! thanks for the heads up marie!
January 18th, 2007 at 8:51 pmjust turned it on… didn’t miss colbert, thankfully…
that bernie is a gasbag… “bullseye”? …another pot shot…
Doesn’t ‘boycott’ mean you’re intentionally avoiding something?
January 18th, 2007 at 8:51 pmAnd another thing. If Gonzales thinks his little remark about spying on blogs is going to shut them down or silence real Americans…he’s got another thing coming. Yes siree.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:52 pmA REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE:
A cell phone is left behind in a public place - and someone has taken it. The owner has good relations with someone at Homeland Security - and asks for help in recovering the phone.
The following occurs in TEN MINUTES:
Homeland Security accesses its database of EVERY cell phone number, confirms the name and address of its owner, and pulls up the call history of the missing phone. Several calls have been made from the phone since it went missing.
Homeland Security instantly compiles the list of calls, cross-referenced to the names and addresses of each individual called, vectored to the cell towers used to transmit the calls. Next they pull up the digital recording of the calls made, listen to the calls, and ascertain that two teenage boys have stolen the phone and are using it to call friends.
Homeland Security phones one of the call recipients to ascertain the identity and home address of the two boys.
Next - a text message is sent to the two boys on the cell phone they stole, informing them that they have exactly one hour to return the phone to a specific place of business known to be within one mile of the boy’s present location, or they will be greeted by Federal Marshalls shortly thereafter.
ELAPSED TIME - TEN MINUTES
WARRANTS OBTAINED -
ZERO
If they can do this - what can’t they do?
January 18th, 2007 at 8:53 pmFolks, some of the trolls have returned — until Judd and TP can identify them and remove their ability to post, we must ignore them. Do not reply to them. If they hijack your name - let TP know via Email.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThat’s my suggestion.
oh shoot - i did miss him… no worry … best to catch it on the web anyway… my tv does not like this fox channel…
January 18th, 2007 at 8:57 pmace - i suppose your story is not totally unrealistic, but…
January 18th, 2007 at 9:01 pmif you lose your cell phone, the FIRST thing you do is make a call to your provider and have the thing shut down… been there, done that…
just sayin’…
#43 Katy
January 18th, 2007 at 9:02 pmDon’t forget to tune in to Colbert later and see O’Lielly there.
Mutual appearances tonight.
Katy:
The story I relayed regarding the cell phone actually occured.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:03 pmIs that a photo of Gonzo being sworn in or is he asking for a potty break?
Theresa
January 18th, 2007 at 9:09 pmFunny I thought the Republicans were the party of “personal responsibility”. I guess it’s all well and good when the Republicans are not the ones taking responsibility for their words and deeds.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:14 pmAmerican Lives
There are a couple of things to remember before getting too excited about the NSA’s surveillance program:
The specifics of the program are highly classified — most of us do not know exactly how it works. So, neither we nor liberal senators should jump to conclusions about it.
We are at war with terrorists who would like to blow up many more Americans than they already have.
President Bush made it clear from 9-11-2001 onward that he was absolutely serious about dealing with the terrorist threat on America, and this surveillance program is consistent with that purpose.
Look at this from the point of view of the U.S. government. In 2002, a top Al-Qaida operative named Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan. The CIA then had access to all of Zubaydah’s contacts - his phone directory and computers, et cetera. It might have taken months to get warrants for each name on that list, valuable months during which some of Zubaydah’s contacts might develop or carry out attacks on U.S. citizens. In the interest of national security, it was important to start doing surveillance on Zubaydah’s contact list right away, both those contacts on foreign soil, and those on U.S. soil.
Of course, just because America is at war with terrorism does not mean the Constitution should ever be suspended. But, that’s not what appears to be going on here. From what we do know about the surveillance program, it fits within legal guidelines.
The New York Times noted that the eavesdropping was done primarily on suspected terrorists or terrorist agents in foreign countries. Phone calls or emails on suspects in Iran or Afghanistan might go to recipients in the United States, and possibly even U.S. citizens. However, warrants were required for eavesdropping on those communications between two people both inside the United States.
Even when those being spied on are U.S. citizens, warrants are not always required. According to a Wall Street Journal editorial (found also in the Pueblo Chieftain):
January 18th, 2007 at 9:15 pmIn the 1980 Truong case, the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the warrantless surveillance of a foreign power, its agent or collaborators (including U.S. citizens) when the “primary purpose” of the intercepts was for “foreign intelligence” rather than law enforcement purposes. Every court of appeals that has considered the issue has upheld an inherent presidential power to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence searches; and in 2002 the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, created by the FISA statute, accepted that “the president does have that authority” and noted “FISA could not encroach on the president’s constitutional power.”
theresa - lol
ace - don’t doubt it…
marie - MISS JON??!!!??? … not to worry…
January 18th, 2007 at 9:16 pm.
I’ll be watching Colbert later this evening. Thanks for the reminder.
As far as trolls go, always remember: Don’t feed the trolls.
OT, but there was a motion today in the House to adjourn, and it was voted down. http://clerk.house.gov/ cgi-bin/ vote.asp?year=2007&rollnumber=34
Theresa
January 18th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThis, man (for want of a better description), is nothing but a slick haired well dressed criminal against the constitution and therefore the country. How long will these seditionists be allowed to continue? Perish the thought. An obvious statement belittling everyone involved, making fun of the country through our representatives. Man, I’d really like to cut that guys hair off, it obviously is his pet project. I can see him standing in front of his mirror combing it back and grinning at himself. Jerk. I sure hope these criminals are in prison soon, but it seems unlikely.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:24 pmAwe…no more troll posts? Love seein’ em lambasted here.
Go Russ. Wish he’d run for Prez. The ONLY senator with ball$. Too bad the DNC and their woosie dembots abandoned him when it counted…censure remember?
And Go Ed Brown!
January 18th, 2007 at 9:31 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070119/ ap_on_re_us/ tax_trial
cornered ones heh —–your condescending tone aside:
“There are a couple of things to remember before getting too excited about the NSA’s surveillance program:
The specifics of the program are highly classified — most of us do not know exactly how it works.” uhhh…..that’s part of the problem buddy. You trust your government too much ………..you are naive, working for the thugs in government, or just uninformed.
We’re ( thinking and concerned Americans ) beyond this kind of drivel now …………
January 18th, 2007 at 9:40 pmRE: comment #22
The problem is that the definition of what is “wrong” is fluid.
Lest you need reminding…
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
I also suggest picking up a copy of Sinclair Lewis’ “It Can’t Happen Here”
And no, if what you imagine is a fair reporting by the MSM about the extent of the this program, you may need to get your information elsewhere. News is not watched.
The Constitution should not be suspended. When it has in the past it has been to our shame. It is meant to serve as a keel to the rough waters of politics.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:42 pmUnbelievable you don’t belong here, you deserve better, move your knowledge to Raw Story, better comments on the boards up to your level, exclusive news you wont find here at TP, don’t waste yourself in here move to a better blog. Ciao.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:51 pmAnd my posts are being deleted why? The Turtle joins the boycott…
January 18th, 2007 at 9:58 pmCaption Contest: “All Fascists raise your right hand.”
January 18th, 2007 at 9:59 pmTurtle:
myspammailbox@hotmail.com
January 18th, 2007 at 10:01 pm…more like the trojan is back. Did you clicked on something?….what did I tell you Unbelievable?…Move to Raw it’s better for you and your students. Don’t worry will find space for Judd too.
January 18th, 2007 at 10:04 pmImpeach the sons of bitches, throw their sorry Constitution-hating un-American asses in a prison far far away, torture them daily to make them confess to things they know nothing about, and never let their families know where they are or what happened to them.
Oh no, I’m not talking about the Bush administration. Perish the thought. I’m talking about right-wing bloggers. Ya got that, Alberto?
January 18th, 2007 at 10:07 pmI think we got two”lost twins” who found each other on TP, that ’s touching!
January 18th, 2007 at 10:27 pm#63,64 Trollie Trollmeister
If you don’t like our Constitution, go find yourself a nice dictatorship to live in. Seriously, America has way too much freedom for someone like you. You aren’t happy unless your every movement is being monitored and you live under constant threat of being thrown in the slammer for no reason. Go now. America isn’t for people like you. Too bad East Germany isn’t still around. You’d have loved it there.
January 18th, 2007 at 10:31 pmOn Keith Olberman tonight they were talking about Gonzales not telling if they would get a warrant for all cases, one time thing or if a judge gave them a unlimited warrant.
I think Bush is pulling a fast one.
January 18th, 2007 at 10:55 pmGonzales is a Politcal Hack in the truest sense of the term. I think it’s ironic that he will use the very laws to defend himself and this administration that he and his boss tried so hard to take away from the rest of us. There is no place for a scoundrel to hide except behind the american flag or the christian cross, and they have done both.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:02 pmGonzales, much like Bush is just a front man. The real force behind the extra-constitutional behavior of this administration is Addington. He stays out of the spotlight and lets Gonzales take the heat. This could all change with the oncoming subpoenapalooza.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:05 pmIf you like The Who as much as you hate Bush, then ya’ll are gonna love this.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:18 pmOk Texas that does it we’re giving you back to Mexico. Love to say we’ll miss you, but…
January 18th, 2007 at 11:39 pmHey Texas, If you’all don’t like it I’ve got a couple of places for you to move to. Maybe North Korea or Iran, perhaps. Git my drift?
January 18th, 2007 at 11:45 pmOh Texas, I’m waiting, bring it on boy. What you afraid of ?
January 18th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThanks TP for purging the garbage that had been posted.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:50 pmI didn’t have you in mind or anyone on the Committee when I referred to people who oppose eavesdropping on terrorists.
Of course he didn’t have in mind anyone who can fight back, let alone anyone who might hold his feet to the fire -perish the thought.
He was thinking only of those he can bully around, all the little people who still believe in “quaint”, “obsolete” documents such as the Geneva Conventions or the US Constitution.
Gonzalez is another “kiss up, kick down” emotionally immature neo-con.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:11 amAlert: an entire STRAW ARMY has just been erected on the battlefield of this thread.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:25 amI know some people that are defacto enemies of the State that need eavesdropped on. These people promote phony terrorism scares to game the Constitution (the Law), money, and politics.
Can I get the FISA court to OK warrants eavesdropping on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?
January 19th, 2007 at 12:27 amWeren’t we told by Bush and his criminal Administration that if the Courts got to know who Bush was spying on, then “the terrorists win” ?
Weren’t those of us who felt this program could have and should have been conducted within the law considered, “TRAITORS” ?
Didn’t they tell us it had to remain a (Unitary Executive) secret because “Congress couldn’t be trusted with the information” ?
Did they not say that those who want FISA to be involved “hate America” and are “putting the welfare of the terrorists first” ?
Weren’t we told that “The FISA Laws are too slow and primitive to be effective.” ?
Did Bush not say his “obligation to protect us against attacks, justifies a circumvention of the traditional process in a fast-moving, high-tech battle with a shadowy enemy” ?
Were we not told he had to violate the law and the Constitution because “It is inexcusable to say, on the one hand, ‘connect the dots’ and not give us a chance to do so.”
Did Bush not say (while breaking the law/violating the Constitution), “It’s important for the American people to understand. I am doing what you expect me to do, and at the same time safeguarding the civil liberties of the country.”
Weren’t we told by Bush’s Press Secretary, “It defies common sense for Democrats to claim the administration is acting outside its authority” ?
Didn’t we hear Bush’s NSA Director justify circumventing the Courts by saying, “Getting retroactive court approval is inefficient because it involves marshaling arguments” and looping paperwork around.”
Didn’t Alberto Gonzales say getting Court Approval wasn’t necessary because, “We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance.”
SO, HAVE THEY SUDDENLY CHANGED THEIR MINDS OR DO THEY REALIZE THEY ARE TOAST WITH DEMOCRATS HAVING SUBPOENA POWER/OVERSIGHT?
My favorite quote from Bush on his law-breaking and disregard for the Balance of Powers, The Constitution and rule of law is this:
“The fact that we’re discussing this program is helping the enemy.”
So, now that it’s back under the FISA Court Mr. Bush, are you now a traitor, giving the victory to terrorists, helping the enemy? Are we no longer facing a “fast-moving, high-tech battle with a shadowy enemy” ?
oh, there’s this statement from Bush when he went to NSA Headquarters:
(after he knows that Americans know he disbanded the Unit dedicated to finding Osama bin Laden and said on several occassions that he’s not at all concerned about bin Laden)
“Officials here learn information about plotters and planners and people who would do us harm. Now, I understand there’s some in America who say, well, this can’t be true there are still people willing to attack. All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously. When he says he’s going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it.”
OVER AT FOX NEWS, THEY ARE USING THIS EXPLANATION:
‘THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ONLY CHANGED THEIR MINDS BECAUSE THE NEW YORK TIMES WOULDN’T LEAVE THEM ALONE.’
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January 19th, 2007 at 12:28 amI suppose meetings of the Texas Young Republicans must be where empty heads get filled with Rove talking points.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:28 amCalls for increased security after a terrorist attack are “political opportunism,†but calls for more gun control after a criminal’s spree killing is “a logical solution.â€
What does Iraq have to do with the war on terrorism? Why do we leave our borders wide open? Why has our constitution and bill of rights come under fire? And hell no to gun control, yet the second amendment on a federal level is being attacked by NeoCons. I agree on a state level liberal states have a tendency to restrict guns that are not for sport shooting.
Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn’t Christianity.
All religion should be taken out of public schools. The last thing I want is my kids being taught religion by anyone other them me, or a person of my choice. But NeoCons want to keep shoving this down my throat.
Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.
Bullshit minorities make up 73% of the prison population in this country. The word Islamofacist is an oxymoron. Islam is a monotheistic religion based upon the teachings of Muhammad and puts its religion above anything, and the fascist conception is all-embracing; outside of it no human or
can exist, much less have value. You’ve been listening to Limbaugh too long.
Poverty is the cause of all terrorism…which is why the leaders of al Qaeda’ are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.
I’m not even sure what your talking about here?
The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt’s Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded “reasonable precautions.â€
Many here believe in gun control, not doing away with the second amendment. I believe very strongly in the second amendment.
Bush’s toppling the Saddam regime was a “diversion,†but Clinton’s lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was “sending a message.â€
First off Clinton lobbed cruise missiles into Afghanistan, not Iraq. No one will know except for Clinton. I choose to think that he did it for the right reasons. What I did see is the Republicans condemn him for it and use the “wag the dog” analogy. Who was more right? Clinton was.
A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies’ intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn’t pass in any legislature.
“The People†in the First Amendment means The People; “the People†in the Fourth Amendment means The People; “the People†in the Ninth Amendment means The People; “the People†in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but “the People†in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).
Here my friend is what this president has done:
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:
10900 - Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
10995 - Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
10997 - Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
10998 - Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
11000 - Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
11001 - Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
11002 - Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.
11003 - Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
11004 - Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, and designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
11005 - Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
11051 - Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
11310 - Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
11049 - Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
11921 - Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
People should look at the John W. Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2006 (PL 109-364), The Act “has a provocative provision called ‘Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies’,” the thrust of which “seems to be about giving the federal government a far stronger hand in coordinating responses to [Hurricane] Katrina-like disasters,” Jeff Stein, CQ National Security Editor wrote December 1, 2006.
“But on closer inspection, its language also alters the two-centuries-old Insurrection Act, which Congress passed in 1807 to limit the president’s power to deploy troops within the United States … ‘to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy’,”.
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of massive civil unrest or national emergency. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. Plans for roundups of persons in the United States in times of crisis are constructed during periods of increased political repression such as the Palmer Raids and the McCarthy Era. For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the “ADEX” list
And the bill that brings it all together HR 6166 the Military Commissions Act of. 2006:
1. revokes habeas corpus
2. create a secret committee appointed by Bush and Rumsfeld that has the power to declare any person - even a US citizen - to be an enemy, instantly depriving them of their legal rights. There will be no appeal allowed.
3. allow police to search through your home without a search warrant
4. end protection of prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions
5. give George W. Bush amnesty for any war crimes he has committed
6. allow for people to be put on trial in front of a kangaroo court military tribunal, even if they aren’t in any military, and have not engaged in military attacks against the USA
7. allow the government to convict people of crimes on the basis of secret evidence that the accused never sees
8. make it legal for the government to use testimony extracted through torture
9. end the legal right to be protected from forced self-incrimination
10. allow the government to imprison people without telling them what crimes they are being charged with
11. remove the right to cross-examine witnesses
12. allow for the records of trials to be kept secret from the American public
13. enable trials to begin even before a thorough investigation of the alleged crime has taken place
14. take away the right to a speedy trial, allowing people to fester behind bars without being charged of any crime
Just something to think about
January 19th, 2007 at 12:36 amIf you post the same drivel in all the threads -beginning with the one at the top- regardless of the topic, you are a troll.
If you do that twice the same night, then you are a mentally challenged, unoriginal troll.
I really do wonder if the feeble-minded believe they are being clever when they do that, or what point they think they are making… oh I forgot: they don’t want a debate, but everyone’s total submission to the Great (mis)Leader.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:37 amI don’t think that the Adminstration is frightened of the Democrats in the Democratically controlled Congress.
They are frightened that without the old guard in place to whip the Republican party, there is a growing mutiny in their own ranks. The American people have seen through the chicanery and their representatives can either listen to them or be thrown out.
If those of both parties start standing on principle, GW and company are through.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:37 amI hope the pic of Gonzales means he was sworn in to testify? The last time he appeared before Congress he was NOT sworn in, so he was allowed to lie and give hearsay answers. If VP Cheney testifies, then he must be sworn in > PERIOD.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:40 amTexas Young Republican, how about providing some answers to the issues raised by Paige in #77 and JTitor in #79? Real answers, too, not just some talking points from your handout.
Never mind, it’s obvious that you are in over your head already.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:40 amThey are frightened that without the old guard in place to whip the Republican party, there is a growing mutiny in their own ranks. The American people have seen through the chicanery and their representatives can either listen to them or be thrown out.
I really agree with you on this one. Conservatives are running faster then PedoCons to a Foley party.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:41 amGregor > young Republican troll gets paid to post on TP, by how many posts, so he repeats the stuff on every thread. He probably posts under other screen names too.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:43 amJay Randal - I believe TP is really trying to take care of the issues this time. Only time will tell.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:46 amNevermind. There goes my post. 77 gone.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:48 amIt’s back…wow. Magic
January 19th, 2007 at 12:51 amHe probably posts under other screen names too.
Comment by Jay Randal — January 19, 2007 @ 12:43 am
I am sure he does.
So sad that a government feels they have to pay people to sing their praises. You’d think they should be able to find one in those 30%ers who would do it for free. It tells you how skewed their policies are.
That is, if they could find a 30%ers who can spell above high school level. Why, even some of the shills struggle with basic English skills.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:53 amJTitor > yes Judd is trying to fix the troll problem, but some of them might work for a Pentagon cyber disinformation unit, which means it might be impossible to ban them, since they can mask their IP or change it daily.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:55 amBut the important thing is that the quasi-professional trolls run into a brick wall when they post their twisted rubbish here. They come here to experiment with various talking points only to learn that nobody here is buying it.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 amComment by Jay Randal - Believe me I know. I just want to learn from people and have conversations that affect this country, but we get paid trolls that attack and tell lies and just cause trouble. I don’t even mind the some trolls sometimes, but some are just evil.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 amGregor > several years ago I purchased a book called “War and Anti-War” by the Tofflers who wrote the “Third Wave.” In the book is a chapter on cyber warfare. The Pentagon loves that book and I believe they are attacking the blogs like TP with young cyber nerds. This allows them to monitor the blogs and to shut them down at times if they want. Judd would be wise to look into this and have registration for bloggers on here, but perhaps the cyber nerds would still break into the threads anyways.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 amMaybe there ought to be a school for trolls, where they can learn safe and effective blogging strategies. I nominate Exley to lead the program.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:07 amJay Randal — What they are doing as of tonight is clearing out all the strayed posts that are obvious trollisms.
I welcome NeoCons to come into this blog and debate the issues. The problem is they have no legs to stand on. I’m a “conservative” that doesn’t believe in a two party system. I think most people want the same things, but have fallen into this two party “my team, your team” paradigm. I believe that this president is leading us into a place we will not be able to come back from if we don’t act quickly to turn it around. I have a tendency to agree more with the “progressive” crowd then any republicans. NeoCons are just evil. Conservatives are starting to see the light, and watching this country and its constitution being used as tiolet paper.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:16 amVerbalKint > I am not sure if Bush Regime really cares whether their cyber trolls act intelligent or not. They just want them to spew support for Bush,
January 19th, 2007 at 1:17 amhis war in Iraq, and to gum up the blog threads with nonsense.
JTitor I commend you for seeking out the truth. Yes, Americans are forced into the 2 party trap, which is a bad thing because it becomes a game of Bad Cop Versus Good Cop, while members of both parties screw us over. The blogs like TP are the last bastion of information, and news, that is not completely controlled by the government yet, but they are now trying to control it or failing that to shut it down. Once the blogs are controlled or shut down, then Orwell’s 1984 arrives and freedom dies in America!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:25 amJay,
I agree that gumming up the threads is a major part of the strategy. They want to dilute, divert, and disrupt what goes on here, until we all go away. They are insurgents of a sort. An insurgency against the truth.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:25 amPrecisely VerbalKint > the paid trolls are on here waging cyber warfare against the truth! Bush Regime operates with massive lies, so truth is like battery acid thrown upon them!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:31 amI nominate Exley to lead the program.
Comment by VerbalKint
That’s a good one. Exley is the worst liar of the lot.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:44 amExley is the worst liar of the lot.
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Methinks that by sheer arrogance, lies, denial, and sophistry, Seixon still leads the pack.
I nominate him. Sounds like we might have a close race.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:53 amSeixon the Norwegian cyber nerd gets the TP award for the most obnoxious troll on the Internet. He went ballistic when his real name, age, location, and pic got posted about him > lol.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:02 amre:#62 Meeting George Bush
Back to polishing my bronze bust of George Walker Bush. The inscription reads: Mission Accomplished!
How fitting, he really is a great man! Has anyone actually ever met him and shook his hand?
I have and it was absolutely electrifying! Literally.
It was at a Texas Young Republicans rally in 2002.
Comment by Texas Young Republicans — January 18, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
Did you camest all over yourself? I love being a Republican, especially when I hear stories like yours. I envy you sir. God Bless all Republicans!
January 19th, 2007 at 2:08 amHey “Texas Young Republican”, good luck with that Bush family support. It sure worked out well for all the Republican Congressmen Bush visisted this past election.
Bush’s support helped the Republicans win a whopping ZERO seats away from Democrats, and lost both the House and Senate.
Also, Think Progress helped produce a landslide Democrat sweep of the House and Senate, so I guess they did produce something. The Center for American Progress (which runs Think Progress) is one of the largest think tanks in the country.
Now go back to irrelevance where you belong. Nobody cares about your trolling garbage.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:09 amBy the way Young Republican Trolls, why exactly do you think Bush did such a major flip-flop on the warrantless spying program?
It’s because they knew it was illegal, and wouldn’t hold up under Democratic Congressional scrutiny/oversight.
You lose. The US Constitution wins.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:11 amEven republican senators are now seeing how duplicitous “Seedy” Gonzales is.
And his historic legacy at Justice will make J Edgar Hoover’s look good by comparison! Hoover’s worst abuses seem like kindergarten stuff compared to “rendition,” “Unlawful combattants” “Terrorist Surveilance,” and “quaint” Geneva conventions.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:28 amYour grandkids will be hailing me the CHIEF!
As in, “Hey Chief, you missed a spot on the rearview mirror. And don’t take any change out of the ashtray. . .”
January 19th, 2007 at 3:35 amShould anyone care for personally autographed George W Bush 8×10 glossys get ahold of me on here and I will see you get one.
Yeah, me! I recently made a dog-shit cannon, and I’ve been searching for a suitable target . . .
January 19th, 2007 at 3:40 amIt looks like rachel b. blair=smedrick=PAT reglin=little birdie=many others, has morphed into=Texas Young Republicans.
To all you ‘regulars’ who boycotted posting today;
January 19th, 2007 at 3:41 amYou said,almost to a person,that you wouldn’t let this clown troll run you off;well guess what,he’s still here and you’re not.
To all you ‘regulars’ who boycotted posting today;
You said,almost to a person,that you wouldn’t let this clown troll run you off;well guess what,he’s still here and you’re not.
Comment by troll alert — January 19, 2007 @ 3:41 am
heh
Because they are weak and brainless and cannot debate THE GREAT DEBATER who has fact point in verse for these people and since I arrived?
THEY CANNOT TAKE THE PRESSURE.
To all of you boycotters?
If this blogging thing is too much for you why not try something else?
January 19th, 2007 at 5:30 amGonzales clearly committed perjury. He should be prosecuted.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:06 amThe London Independent today reports that Steven Bentley, a school friend of accused would-be suicide bomber Yassin Omar, was told by Omar that he did not think Bin Laden was behind 9/11. Omar based his conclusion on what he was told by extremist London cleric Abu Hamza, currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, who had personally met Bin Laden.
Bin Laden’s apparent attempt to distance himself from involvement in 9/11 dovetails with statements made shortly after the event in which he told a Pakistani newspaper that he was not involved in the attacks.
Looks like it was the Isrealis and Bush gov
January 19th, 2007 at 6:10 amThe following is a chronological account of the actions of President George W. Bush leading U.S. illegally to war with Iraq.
SOUTH KOREAN NEWSPAPERS
very interesting read
January 19th, 2007 at 6:15 amHow do you tell a member of Bush administration is lying?
Their lips are moving.
How do you tell if a current member of the Bush administration lied in the past?
They are breathing.
How do you know how prescient George Orwell was in 1984?
Members of the Bush administration are breathing and their lips are moving.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:26 amThis committee should be a beacon to expose all this homeland security crap….
“If you are going to be a bear…be a grizzly!”
Go Dems go, but remember, we are watching out here in blogland and we are not averse to further change.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:55 amThe basic problem with Gonzo et al is that once they lie and spin another lie to cover up the first lie, the problem of “recall” grows exponentially and, before they know it, no one can remember what they said, how they twisted it, who said what, to whom and when. This is why they fein “temporary amnesia”…..it’s simply a complicated web of lies upon lies so the truth is so obscured that it would take a coal miner to pick axe to the bottom of the twisted, toxic heap to locate the real truth of absolutely anything this administration has said, touched, or done.
The real “truth” about everything is ALL THAT EXISTS in reality; the rest is pure, unadulterated fiction and this white house should get an academy award for their work.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:59 amA democracy cannot wage war against a population and survive.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:06 amSpeedy Gonazles is a classless act. Sadder even than Harriet Meyers.
At least Asscroft admitted he was an asshole. Speedy smiles while he lies. As posted earlier, he’s a former real estate lawyer in way over his head.
Another poster asked if he had been sworn in. Anyone clarify that yet?
He may not have been sworn in, but he sure as hell was sworn at.
Pathetic man, a paid shill, not unlike our Young Repbulican’t troll.
But, the tide change in congress continues. As Orrin Hatch reportedly said, ‘I don’t care if they produce legislation that’s good for our country. I’ll oppose anything Democrats propose as a matter of ethics’.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:26 am“Look on the blogs today…”
…you TREASONOUS slimy basta*d…
…and know that “we the people”…
…want your sorry a*s in an orange jumpsuit…
January 19th, 2007 at 9:33 amComment by troll alert — January 19, 2007 @ 3:41 am
Judd was able to do what no troll could: piss off a number of good posters all at the same time, by allowing troll posts which flagrantly violate the terms of use while at the same time censoring bona fide posts.
As long as that continues, trolls will run rampant on this site while others seek a different forum to voice thier opinions.
Peace and Blessings,
Briseadh na Faire
January 19th, 2007 at 9:34 amIs there any way we can put the “Frito Bandito” behind bars?? Is the anything this jacka$$ won’t say for bush??
January 19th, 2007 at 11:18 amTo all you ‘regulars’ who boycotted posting today;
You said,almost to a person,that you wouldn’t let this clown troll run you off;well guess what,he’s still here and you’re not.
Comment by troll alert
Not all, TA.
Yeah, I skipped out for a day - but this is my pad, and no one’s pushing me out.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmEveryone seems to be smirking these days because it appears that the “Democrats” are in charge again & taking on the “Bush/Neocons” gang. Nevertheless, they (the Dems) were always part & parcel of this rape & pillage. Both parties compromised us, the “people,†for the last 20+ years. Never really standing & fighting for our Rights, let jobs flow off our shores, undermined our economy, undermined our psyche as a Nation.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmClinton, the male one, used the term, as does everyone else, ‘working Americans’, to distract from the basic define of just ‘all Americans’, in who is important to the future of America. So, in reality if your not working then you are burden to America, but then they, the real powers, fired, layed-off, forgot about over 20,000,000+ of us, without any moral concern. Then we were diverted into a holy war of family values, their family not mine, this in a country that is bound & mandated by the Constitution to be amoral to insure liberty & justice for all, and we as a nation just go along.
Iraq is like Bush said a blip in history, but the anger & fear of the America people are making it the major focus of what they the Bush/Republicans are doing to our country. Yeah, so we will forget about the Drug plan, the Energy Bill, the Patriot Act, the destruction of FDA, NASA, Supreme Court, DOJ, etc. The changes we let them amass in the public light & behind their multiple curtains of secrecy are & have always been the goal. Money, money for the very few. ENRON, WorldCom, Halliburton, et al. These are not abstract entities but real living beings, the ‘major’ stock holders, ain’t the common man, but a very small number of individual without any human morality or sense of national identity, the New World Order is their whitewash for what makes them rich.
Bummer is we will get out of Iraq, the war on Terror will be won, but America, the world will not be a better place can it? Not this way.
Democracy is hard work, constant blood, never ending sweat, flowing tears and tenacity, and only we the people are responsible & capable of doing it. We elect thieves & scoundrels and pretend we can sit back, do you know how your reps vote? Do you care? We should, we must. Not after the fact, once they do the deed, it is rarely rescinded; we just move forward on a compromise, we all ready lose more than we gain.
Bush is more than his Administration, he represents a clique of power that has had unbridled leeway since before his Daddy. Their arrogance and lack of constraint has only reached a point that we are being forced to squawk about. Gore & Kerry were no different underneath their Democrat sheep’s clothing, it would just have been more cumbersome to get to the same point for the powers that be. Bin Laudin is still alive because his daddy will not agree to let him be captured; we don’t want to upset the Saudi, why not?
I want America to come home again, to be us again, we’ll always be a great nation, I dream a greater Nation. Obama & Hilary if they are the Dems candidate in ’08 will lose to whom ever the Republicans run; they make us losers, just like Gore & Kerry did. It is the plan.
Maybe a nudnik like Edwards, some one closer to the us of America is our only real hope in slowing down & taking on the real threats we face, someone who does love America in a very simple honest and realistic fashion.
So, why The Hague for these scoundrels, cause we have no confidence in a Supreme Court, which is above all this? If we cannot take care of our own shame why should someone else, that is cowardly & disgraceful for a people. I demand justice now, so where, when will these Congressional charges materialize? Non-binding resolutions are just a hint of the substance of those who pass them, damn.
Don’t stop taking/blogging but add action & physical commitment to our crawling back to the path of our AMERICA. God Bless America, God Bless us all, he always has. However, only we live here on this earth we are its stewards.
Here are the opening winners.
I give you the †Dirty Dozen â€
1) Sy Bil
2) ForTruth
3) Trueblue
4) Barfly
5) Unbelievable
6) Briseadh de faire
7) VerbalKnit
8) John Gilpins
9) Krazny
10) Robert
11) Chimpeach
12) DieNowForPeace
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