Snow: Things Were ‘Going Okay’ In Iraq A Year Ago, No One Anticipated ‘Eruption Of Sectarian Violence’
Snow: Things Were ‘Going Okay’ In Iraq A Year Ago, No One Anticipated ‘Eruption Of Sectarian Violence’
In today’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow argued that the “picture” in Iraq “constantly changes,” and that while the future looks bleak now, a year ago “Democrats and Republicans both coming back from the region saying, you know, we think things are going okay.” He added that no one anticipated the “eruption of sectarian violence.” Watch it:
The administration has repeatedly tried to claim that Feb. 2006 — when Sunni extremists blew up the Shiia Golden Mosque of Samarra — was the start of sectarian violence in Iraq. While sectarian warfare did skyrocket after that incident, the situation was not “going okay” before that point:
– “The numbers of car bombs, suicide car bombs and roadside bombs all doubled from 2004 to 2005.”
– In 2005, there were more U.S. casualties in Iraq (846) than there were in 2006 (821).
– On Feb. 27, 2005, Knight Ridder quoted then-Iraqi Interior Ministry spokesman Sabah Kadhim warning about sectarian violence, “It’s the beginning, and we could go down the slippery slope very quickly. … Both sides are sharpening their knives.”
– On Sept. 26, 2005, CBS News reported that “there is an undeclared civil war already underway in Iraq, between the Sunni minority who ruled this country under Saddam and the Shiite majority.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: Two questions on public perceptions. Are you saying that four years into this war, the American people don’t have an accurate picture of what’s going on in Iraq?
TONY SNOW: I think, Wendell, four years into a war, the picture constantly changes. The picture that we saw in April of 2003 was different than the one we saw a year ago. If you think a year ago, Wendell, there was considerable optimism, Democrats and Republicans both coming back from the region saying, you know, we think things are going okay. We’ve had the election. They did not anticipate the, I guess, eruption of sectarian violence.
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Not another one of these “no one could have anticipated” lines of crapola?
January 18th, 2007 at 6:03 pmHey, somebody go back and get a bigger steamshovel, it’s gettin deeper in here!!!!!
Year Dead Wounded
2003 486 2408
2004 848 8002
2005 846 5946
2006 821 6372
Bull
January 18th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWell, we all know that Snow considers we thinking people as “no one”…
Idiot. Bet you’re sorry you quit your day job for this freak show…
January 18th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAll I can tell you is: BULLSH*t!
I refer you to the Project for a New American Century, The Pentagons New Map, and P2OG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/published/pentagonsnewmap.htm
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2002/11/000092.html
While these NEOCONs appear to be completely inept, they are following their plan to the letter. It was proposed as far back as 97, with zbigniew brzezinski, possibly even further back, that the middle east should be the staging ground for the ‘Final Push’ for American Hegemony.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pmHow do we get rid of this idiot….
what a lame parrot.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pmdoes anyone think that anything snow says is factual?
January 18th, 2007 at 6:14 pmplease contact me about a real estate deal that will have millions in your pocket in no time purchasing land in cuba near guantanamo
What – is Condi Rice coaching Snow on his talking points — “no one could have anticipated.”
January 18th, 2007 at 6:16 pmBush&Co say that the sectarian violence didn’t start until after the mosque bombing, when, for months, we had been hearing from many experts and people of authority saying a civil war was brewing.
Next, we will be hearing of a mushroom cloud coming here from Iran.
In 2003, Iran made overtures to the US that State (Powell) was eager to pursue, but Cheney flat-out said no talks.
All these guys know is kill, death, kill, death, kill. And I am talking about Bush&Co.
China blew one of their own rockets out of the sky today just to show the world they can do it.
Bush thought he alone owned space.
We’re in deep trouble, folks. Excuse me for stating the obvious.
#3 “Bet you’re sorry you quit your day job for this freak show”
He’s not sorry, he drank the kool-aide. He’s one of them. Lying, pathetic, arrogant, elitist, peice of sh!t.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI don’t remember any democrats coming back from Iraq saying things were fine. WTF?
January 18th, 2007 at 6:29 pmEven Grumpy could sense trouble was a brewin, when his corns hurt all day in the mine.
This is unmitigated, made up hogdroppings.
Someone needs to stop these guys from lying. Bush and his gang just cannot tell the truth no matter what!
January 18th, 2007 at 6:30 pmA TV Program in the UK Called” The trial of Tony Blair” was the best comedy program ever to cheer me up for a long time
Its a must watch so funny and so real I hope
we will see on the 24Th January when There is a vote in the commons to have a full Investigation into the Iraq war………. The TRUTH will come out eventually
January 18th, 2007 at 6:31 pmP2OG – The Pentagon’s New Map, Project for a New American Century, The Grand Chessboard… Seems to me that they not only knew, but planned for this.
When are we going to learn?
January 18th, 2007 at 6:32 pmTony Snow is a sniveling connoisseur of lies, whom will rue the return of the fairness doctrine.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pmBobby just found that story
WASHINGTON (CNN) — China last week successfully used a missile to destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The missile carried a “kill vehicle” and destroyed the satellite by ramming it.
The test took place on January 11.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWASHINGTON (CNN) — Defense Secretary Robert Gates is submitting to Congress a manual for trials of detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay that would allow the admission of hearsay evidence and coerced testimony, a Pentagon official told reporters Thursday.
The manual was drafted to comply with a law passed last year that restored the Bush administration’s military commissions created to try terrorist suspects.
Theres only One Person in this world that can have a trial without a courthearing and thats BUSH ………..we all know he is guilty
January 18th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHe added that no one anticipated the “eruption of sectarian violence.â€
What Tony left out was, “No one currently or formerly affiliated with the president, vice-president or calling themselves a republican anticipated the eruption of sectarian violence.”
January 18th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHe’s not sorry, he drank the kool-aide. He’s one of them. Lying, pathetic, arrogant, elitist, peice of sh!t.
Comment by Mikey — January 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
I didn’t mean sorry as in apologetic, but as in remorseful that he gave up a cushy job for this nightmare. You know – that egocentric perspective they all seem to hold.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pmComment by SouthWest Bob — January 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
How painfully true. Equally true that nobody has foreseen that going into Iran will make us become a third world country and that we will have to take Russia’s or China’s permission next time we want to go and shit on some other country following Iran.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pmdoes he really expect us to believe dems were saying the war was going okay a year ago? almost every democrat (sans leiberman) thought it was a mistake and was going badly.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#16, I think I understand. So you’re saying he might have been happier being a lying, pathetic, arrogant, elitist piece of sh!t on Fox News?
January 18th, 2007 at 7:02 pmTony Snow Job is a low rat. A dirty squeally rat. His lies are so obvious that it seems that he knows that everyone knows he is lieing but doesn’t care.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:02 pmYou know – that egocentric perspective they all seem to hold.
Comment by unbelievable #16
Yeah unbelievable…
…I think it’s like an irresistible force that lures reasonably intelligent people into sh*tstorms like the Bushite WH/administration…
…and deludes them (I guess) into believing THEY will be the difference makers…
…then the demons get them every time…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:06 pmTantamount to saying that no American knows what’s going on in Iraq outside the Green Zone and never has known. The rest of the world meanwhile looks on with mounting disbelief, and a measure of amusement, how America is deconstructing itself and a gang of criminals runs the country. One great shining hope could be the banishment of the Republicans from government for the next two, three decades. For the moment it seems it has to go a lot worse before it will get any better.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:06 pm#22, I think it’s more analogous to moths to a flame.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:09 pmi’ve been reading through the threads and comments occasionally through the day and wanted to break my “refrain from posting†to commend judd and co. on their admirable efforts to control the obnoxious troll takeover…
this is a direct result of the declaration by and insistance of many of the “regular†commenters that “ThinkProgress takes positive action against the ‘trolls’ who abuse the site in flagrant violation of the Terms of Useâ€â€¦
the problem of bona fide posts being deleted may not yet have been addressed completely, but i’ve not read of any complaints about such…
i – we (i’ll take the liberty) – truly appreciate judd’s rapid response this morning to that message of frustration and aggravation with what had become an intolerable and embarrassing situation… embarrassing to be associated with the idiocy that was allowed to run rampant on this site…
so, for those who are enjoying the lack of whining today – you’re welcome…
and, judd & co., thank you very much for you extra effort today… please, please, please do not let up with this endeavor to keep TP a top rated blog site…
also, i see lots of new names… welcome! … where’ve you been?…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:10 pmit’s nice having more room for friendly commentary, isn’t it!
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oops… spoke too soon…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:13 pm#25 @ 7:10 pm is one of the notorious trolls… aargh…
Amazing. Down the memory hole…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI think I understand. So you’re saying he might have been happier being a lying, pathetic, arrogant, elitist piece of sh!t on Fox News?
Comment by Mikey — January 18, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Exactly! Like a pig rolling around in it’s own excrement.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:19 pm…then the demons get them every time…
Comment by big papa — January 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
And while they are wondering “Why me? I was special. I was supposed to be blessed….”
LOL :D
January 18th, 2007 at 7:21 pm#16, I think I understand. So you’re saying he might have been happier being a lying, pathetic, arrogant, elitist piece of sh!t on Fox News?
Comment by Mikey — January 18, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
At least then he didn’t have to look anyone in the eye when lying to them.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:24 pmIf you think a year ago, Wendell, there was considerable optimism, [...] They did not anticipate the, I guess, eruption of sectarian violence.
After reading this statement, I recalled Sen Frist’s visit to Iraq in Jan. 2005 heading a delegation of Republican Senators. Among them was Sen Coleman who wrote very interesting observations:
The meeting with 100 sheiks was going well a good candid give-and-take with leaders of the Sunni minority in Iraq that are not exactly thrilled with the upcoming elections because they are sure to not win a government majority.[...]
Then a shell exploded about 500 meters away, shaking the building in Baghdad where the meeting was being held.
I’ll tell you, the Iraqi security people didn’t flinch. They just went about their business. It was just another day in Baghdad, Coleman said in a telephone interview with the Mesabi Daily News on Saturday.
COLEMAN LEAVES IRAQ; ON WAY TO AFGHANISTAN
Then I remembered an article written by Sen Coleman during the same trip:
Baghdad is a quagmire. We are stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place, caught in the cross hairs between Shiite militia and Bathiists insurgents. There is no easy solution, other than Iraqi’s finding a path to reconciliation, and us stepping out of the crossfire.
Blog from Iraq
And how about the rocket attack on the hotel where then-Deputy Defence Sec Paul Wolfowitz was staying, back in 2003 only a few months after the invasion?
Visiting US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has escaped unhurt after a rocket attack on his hotel in Baghdad.
Up to eight rockets were fired at the Hotel al-Rashid, one of the most heavily guarded sites in the Iraqi capital.
Baghdad hotel hit by rocket attack
But now we are supposed to believe that things were going very well until a year ago. They might not have anticipated the sectarian violence, but the violence was certainly there.
At any rate, it is simply not true that things were going well before the Golden Mosque was blown up. The rising levels of violence were widely reported and Republican Congressmen acknowledged that much -as shown in the quotes by Sen Coleman.
Maybe Snow et al are hoping for a bad case of collective amnesia. Or simpy trying to catapult the propaganda.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:28 pmtony still acts as if he’s on camera at fox…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:33 pmthe guy does no homework, no preparation… just wings it and hopes those listening are ignernt fox bots… it’s not working anymore…
No that would be you and Zooey in a dyke tryst
Comment by jason — January 18, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Wow, that was hilarious… Just absolutely rolling on the floor hysterical. You think that up all by yourself? You are simply wasting your talents here with such a small audience. You really should rush over to myspace.com where there are millions of people for you to dazzle with your stunning wit…. Hurry! You don’t wanna get in after the naked juggling twins start their act…
January 18th, 2007 at 7:35 pmNot being able to anticipating things seems to be a real problem with this administration. Have they not heard of “risk management”? Do they have a clue about “contingency plans”? Are they so deluded that they think they do not need Plan B, C, or D, just in case Plan A does not work? If that is the case, everyone of these morons, from Bush all the way down, needs to be marched over to the nearest psychiatric hospital, and kept there for the duration of his/her natural live.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:42 pmMaybe Snow et al are hoping for a bad case of collective amnesia. Or simpy trying to catapult the propaganda.
Comment by Gregor Samsa #34
Gregor,
Haven’t you learned yet?
They’ll FORCE you to forget…
…they have “the GIFT” you know…
…of repetitiuos, recitation of right wing repulsivescum rhetoric…
…try saying THAT five times as fast as you can…
:)
January 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmOh, for the love of all that’s sacred…the Bush administration has used this phrase so many times that it’s practically become a hallmark for them in much the same way that “Read my lips…NO NEW TAXES!” became the hallmark statement for Bush, Sr.. What’s more, each and every time they’ve tried to use this excuse, there’s been at least some evidence to suggest that it’s been 100% Grade-A bovine excrement — in short, an out-and-out LIE.
“Nobody could have anticipated that terrorists would use planes as weapons”…”nobody could have anticipated that Hurricane Katrina would cause the levees to burst”…”nobody could have anticipated the insurgency in Iraq”…”nobody could have anticipated the sectarian violence”…and on and on and on.
It would almost be laughable if the consequences of their negligence — which they don’t have the ethics to acknowledge — hadn’t been so tragic for so many.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmof repetitiuos, recitation of right wing repulsivescum rhetoric…
…try saying THAT five times as fast as you can…
Comment by big papa — January 18, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
I tried, but forgot what I was doing around the third time ;-)
Seriously, I thought so when I was typing my post: They will re-write history (or at least try to) by repeating ad nauseam that before the Golden Mosque attack, things were going “swimmingly” in Iraq.
And soon we will have trolls here at ThinkProgress telling us that there was no violence in Iraq before that. Just like they insisted for the longest time that the WMD had been found.
Ah, the 30% Bush cultists…. always ready to sway whichever way -and repeat whatever- the Great (mis)Leader tells them, facts be damned.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pmPinocchio Snow!
January 18th, 2007 at 8:08 pmConcerned poster,
Stop posting the same rubbish in all the threads. It’s off-topic and asinine.
You are putting your own computer illiteracy on display for all to see.
Your attorney (assuming you actually have one) will have a great time relating the story to his friends.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:22 pm“Pinocchio Snow” — it has a nice ring to it.
January 18th, 2007 at 8:48 pmHmm, something odd has happened on this blog – boycott? registration? threats?
January 18th, 2007 at 9:18 pmIf Snow thought things were “going OK” in Iraq a year ago, how could he be surprised by what’s going on there now?
January 18th, 2007 at 9:23 pmIf you are doing nothing wrong, then you have not one thing to worry about. — Are You All Paranoid?
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Let me share with you what one Martin Niemoller had to say on this particular subject:
When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent — I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I did not speak out — I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out — I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
The point which people like you continue to miss or are determined to ignore is that when you have a government which to all appearances considers and declares itself answerable to no one, there is a distinct potential for the rules to become arbitrary — what is wrong for one group is not wrong for another, or what was not wrong yesterday is now wrong today. How many governments throughout history and around the world have locked people up simply for speaking their minds? For disagreeing with the government? For belonging to the “wrong” religion, the “wrong” political party? If you genuinely believe that something like that could never possibly happen here, you are unbelievably naive — not only about politics, but about basic human nature. Your comment also suggests that the government is infallible, that it would be absolutely impossible for them to make a mistake and punish an innocent man — however, the recorded incidents of people being released and declared innocent on the basis of DNA testimony after having spent years in prison for crimes they did not commit demonstrates that this is not a sound argument.
It’s unsettling to think that the government considers itself at liberty to investigate us for little or no reason — that was the whole reason why the Founding Fathers included the idea of probable cause in the Bill of Rights, in order to prevent the government from arbitrarily spying on people. I’m sure that you find it comforting to tell yourself that you have no reason to worry because you haven’t done anything wrong. However, you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that there’s a rather ominous postscript missing from that statement of yours — and it consists of one word, “YET”.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pmHmm, something odd has happened on this blog – boycott? registration? threats?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 18, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Read this morning’s Think Fast…
January 18th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWill do UB – been in a secure, undisclosed location for 5 days….
January 18th, 2007 at 9:42 pmStraw is once again falling out of Tony Snow’s head.
Some here seem to be grabbing that straw and shoving it into their own heads.
Why must the right to bear arms be not infringed? (Hint: read the first clause in the sentence, Pastuer!!)
January 19th, 2007 at 12:18 amActually, about 5 years ago things were going alot better for most people in Iraq.
Tony, has the correct recollection – - just no sense of time.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:20 amThe Chimperor has no clothes – regardless of how many times Tony Snow insists that he does.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:21 amThis is WHY he is called Snow-Job! Tony Snow was hired to spin baloney and lie on a daily basis! He did that for FOX News, so that qualified him to work for Dubya Dunce Decider Despot Dictator! Plus Tony is kinda gayish, so he probably lets Bush paw him over in private, since Bush misses Jeff Gannon the phony reporter who is actually a paid male hooker!
January 19th, 2007 at 12:51 amA system in meltdown
* Save the Children estimate that 59 in 1,000 newborn babies are dying in Iraq, one of the highest mortality rates in the world. Thousands of infants are dying because of the lack of basic cheap equipment. In Diwaniyah hospital, south of Baghdad, one doctor had to try to ventilate a baby with a plastic tube in its nose because he lacked an oxygen mask costing just 95p. The baby died.
* In the same hospital, a baby with a rare illness causing internal bleeding died due to lack of a phial of vitamin K, which would have cost less than £1.
* One doctor in a Baghdad hospital recently tried to save the life of a child with a drip, but he lacked a sterile needle for a child and the child died. The lack of rubber surgical gloves, which cost 3.5p a pair, has hugely increased the risk of infections.
* Premature babies are crammed three to an incubator, when an incubator can be found. An incubator costs about £5,000.
* Only 50 per cent of the pre-war total of doctors remain in Iraq. The US clearout of Ba’ath party members sympathetic to Saddam Hussein after the invasion has led to a breakdown of health administration.
* The British doctors are calling for guarantees of safety to be given to all medical staff in Iraq by the US and British forces. Above all there is a need to stop the militias killing doctors and nurses.
* Hospitals have been bombed and ambulances shot at. Helicopters could be laid on by the US and UK to ferry cases to Jordan, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia for treatment of acute trauma and disease.
* Doctors are calling on Britain and America to restore at least $2bn (£1bn) of $14bn that has gone missing since the invasion. Part of this sum, lost in corruption or to militias, was earmarked for hospitals.
* Up to 260,000 children may have died since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:54 amThe battle to save Iraq’s children
Doctors issue plea to Tony Blair to end the scandal of medical shortages in the war zone
The desperate plight of children who are dying in Iraqi hospitals for the lack of simple equipment that in some cases can cost as little as 95p is revealed today in a letter signed by nearly 100 eminent doctors.
They are backed by a group of international lawyers, who say the conditions in hospitals revealed in their letter amount to a breach of the Geneva conventions that require Britain and the US as occupying forces to protect human life.
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January 19th, 2007 at 6:06 am“no one could have anticipated” that I would spend all my time talking out of my ass – tony snow
January 19th, 2007 at 9:00 amWho is this “no one” of whom you speak, kimosabe?
January 19th, 2007 at 9:49 amThe mistakes just keep pouring in, making Snow’s job all but impossible.
Now we learn that Iran was willing to be helpful back in 2003 but that Dick Cheney would have none of that. As they say, and the rest is history.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
January 19th, 2007 at 9:56 amComment by Bluestocking #42
FANTASTIC quote…
January 19th, 2007 at 10:12 amThe Administration’s response when confronted with it’s screwups and inability to plan, anticipate, or prepare for anything other than hostility and violence…
“Whodathunkit???”
A smack of the forehead and a hearty “D’oh.” and voila!!! instant absolution from responsibility and accountability…
…the good news is it seems to be working less and less.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:13 amToday is what matters.
The whole Bush Team “Let’s deal with them now so we don’t have to fight them later” position, I don’t get and don’t buy.
I don’t have kids and I don’t care what comes down the road. I’d rather have assured peace now and POSSIBLY deal with problems later than have problems now.
Besides, with the increased freedom of speech and press and internet access in these places, these people are going to realize that Islam and the whole martyr virgin thing is bogus.
They will see through the Allah thing and stop going after everyone who is not them. To borrow a phrase from Bushville: “History will prove us right.”
January 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmAlso, if some soldiers and civillian contractors and human rights savants get kidnapped or killed over there – it’s their problem. It’s not that many people, and as long as it happens over there, that is fine.
They should not be over there anyway.
Hey, there’s an idea. These conservative idiots should go hang out with their Saudi buddies and get kidnapped. Think the US would come up with the ransom? Nope.
Not my problem. Out of sight, out of mind.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmTony the Snow-job blows. I know it sounds like a mouthful, but consider the source. Tony has two strikes against him; he is a working component of the most unprofessional and unethical media during our lifetime and a part of the most corrupt and treasonous administration in our country’s history. Tony’s kinda like an screwed-up oreo; two faces with a yellow-bellied center.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmTony- can I hire you for my child’s birthday party? Clowns are a little scarey and actual comedians are too expensive. For a pinch, you will do as an ok story teller. Be sure to make some of those funny faces, too. Kids like that.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:39 amit is apparent that everyone, except the bush sluts knew that there would be an increase in violence.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmtoo bad stupidity is not a criminal offence.
We need to get out of Iraq now!
The threat of Islam is a manufactured fallicy from the right.
They will fade away naturally. There is no need to oppose it or try to stop it.
Remember all the paranoia about the Russian communist threat. Nothing came from it.
Remember all the paranoia in England about the Nazi’s trying to overthrown them. Nothing ever came from it. Do you see English duck-stepping about London?!
The Islamic bolsterings and attacks of the last few decades will go away on their own. It is a natural thing.
For awhile we may have to endure an Islamic state in some countries. I don’t care. The Christians have tried to persuade us to their camp for long enough.
Besides, having women in burkahs is kind of cool when you think about it.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmDeath and dissarray is our future.
War is not won when you kill the last person. It is won when you break the will of a people.
What the Muslims know is that it does not take much to break the will of America and England. You just sever some heads, blow things up, and put it on the internet and watch the infidels (you and me) cower and run.
Somalia and now Iraq.
We had our chance to slow the spread of Islamic lunacy. We have blown it through not the weakness of our military, but the spinelessness of our people.
We are now guranateed more subway bombings and World Trade Centers. They were happening anyway, now they will happen bigger and more often as the non-Muslim infidels have been defeated.
And, by the way, you can call it what you want, but phase-down, pull-out, ceilings, etc. all announce very effectively that we are defeated, and it did not take much to do it.
Our total casualties equal only a tiny fraction of a single WW2 battle’s casualties. The stakes are much higher.
We had out chance to slow or stop the 3rd rise of the Ottoman Empire, we have now blown it.
Meanwhile our enemies need look no further than to the naieve’ dialogue like is on this page to get the day’s courage to go kill more of our troops. They see the articles and polls on the internet just like we do. They see that the infidels are soft and have no purpose.
We are losing because we want to lose.
Death and dissarray is our future.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm