Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist
Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist
This morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child.
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudis” and “teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us,” then declared, “The big question is: was that on the curriculum back then?” Later, a caller to the show questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.” Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, “Well, we’ll see about that.”
The Fox hosts failed to correct the false claim that Obama is Muslim. One caller, referring to Obama, said, “I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to.” Anchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.” Obama is Christian, a member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ since 1988. Watch it:
As a child, Obama spent four years in Indonesia with his step-father, a non-practicing Muslim, and his mother. Between ages 6 and 8, Obama attended a local Muslim school in Jakarta; after that, he was enrolled in a Roman Catholic school. In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:
In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.
In his more recent book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes (p.274), “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.”
Transcript:
DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?
[snip]
DOOCY: We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein. And the thing about the madrassa, and you know, let’s just be honest about this, in the last number of years, madrassas have been, we’ve learned a lot about them, financed by Saudis, they teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us. The big question is was that on the curriculum back then? Probably not, but it was a madrassa and the big question is whether or not any of these revelations about the fact that he was a Muslim — right now I understand he does go to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, although not a regular parishioner — but raised as a Muslim, went to a madrassa.
[snip]
DOOCY: Is it ancient history or do you think madrassa matters. [phone ringing] Josh joins us from Colorado. Good morning to you Josh.
CALLER: What’s up?
DOOCY: What do you think?
CALLER: I think that ultimately this will probably be one of the main reasons is he not elected.
DOOCY: Just the fact that his father was a Muslim, he was raised as a Muslim for awhile, and went to a madrassa school in Jakarta?
CALLER: Right. I mean, you think that would possibly give him better insight on the enemy, maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.
KILMEADE: Well, we’ll see about that. Yeah, Josh says that.
[snip]
CALLER: Hi, good morning. Yes, I think it does matter. The fact that he omitted it must mean that he feels that somebody is going to have an opinion. And President Bush certainly comes under scrutiny, so why shouldn’t he?
KILMEADE: Well, he didn’t admit it. I mean that’s the issue.
CARLSON: Well she said he didn’t.
KILMEADE: Says he didn’t come out, and I was over in Indonesia for five years, or roughly five years, went to a madrassa and there is some reports that Wahhabism was the curriculum there, which is a problem because they start with “We hate America” and work their way back from there.
DOOCY: Well, the way it was framed in one of his biographies, he said, “I was sent first,” this is in Indonesia, “to a catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school.” He doesn’t say, “I went to a madrassa, where they taught Wahhabism.” He simply says, “I went to a predominantly Muslim school.”
CARLSON: Alright, Jim from Alabama, what do you think?
DOOCY: Jim?
CALLER: Yeah.
CARLSON: What do you think?
CALLER: I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to. [Laughter]
CARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
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ok this is just beyond hilarious
January 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pmOh crap Obama has been swiftboated.
And stupid Gretchin opened her pie hole agian.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTalk about “fear of a black man”
This is insane… even for Fox.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pm“Possible covert Muslim extremist???”
Obama, please sue Rupert Murdoch for everything he’s got. If you fail to take action here, that amounts to a tacit acceptance of this sort of loathsome behavior.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmFaux News, time to lawyer up. You just stepped in a huge bag of defemation.
These clowns are no longer funny. Goebbles would have been proud. Wingnuts need to be quickly beat down in this age. Words matter.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOh boy the swift-boating of Obama has begun by the GOP goons. Calling him a closeted Muslim is the best smear they can come up with > pathetic!
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmFox is chickenshit.
Obama has class, and these people are idiots.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI DARE MSM TO ASK THE OBVIOUS
Let’s imagine that 4 years ago, you went to your boss or partners or board of directors with a plan for a project.
Three years later, it turns out:
- your project was based upon knowingly falsified data
- your project has gone 10,000 % over its budget
- your project has gotten 3,014 of your employees killed and 22,000 injured
- your project has no realistic end in sight
- your project has exposed your company to virtually unlimited financial liability
- your project has brought your company to impending bankruptcy.
Against that backdrop, ask yourself this -
January 19th, 2007 at 12:52 pmif this was you,
HOW FIRED WOULD YOU BE?
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudisâ€
So was Bush. One more reason to oppose Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm.
Actually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWas Doocy implying that *all* Madrassas are both a) funded by the Saudis and b) preach Wahabbism? I can’t stream video currently, so I can’t watch/stomach the video, but if he is, it really, really needs to be corrected.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pmAh yes, Fox News catering to the ignorant as always. Of course he will never get elected because there will be enough ignorant people in this country and enough Fox News type outlets to ignore any good policies or qualities this man may have.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pmAnd if he is a Muslim…what?
January 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI am really not too excited about Obama, but this makes me wonder how long it will be till they start having photoshoped images of him with a bomb belt on with Fox fans calling in saying we knew it!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 pmI don’t know what ‘article’ you’re referring to, Exley, but I did read the posted transcript. HRC’s name wasn’t in there at all, no matter how much you’d like to keep the Republican story line of a Clinton-Obama spat going.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 pmObama, please sue Rupert Murdoch for everything he’s got. If you fail to take action here, that amounts to a tacit acceptance of this sort of loathsome behavior.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
And to know why that would be a mistake all you have to do is look at Kerry in 2004…
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
The blurb on the article says that. The article is only available to subscribers. If a wing-nut publication says that Hillary Clinton is questioning Obama, and only Faux News reports it, then it is most probably a subterfuge, kill two birds with one stone: sow dissension among Democrats and swiftboat Obama. I mean, this ploy has Rove writ large on it.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWow, and we’re not even near the Primaries yet!
The GOP Propaganda machine is in full Smear mode…
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
As well as christian bombers like Tim Mc Vey . . .
And the obvious, sophomoric dig at Media Matters — madrassa matters — do they have high schoolers writing copy at FNC?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWell At least he’s not a member of Skull and Bones or a Mason.
Check it out folks - find one president other than Kennedy who wasn’t a member to one of the other. You’re gonna fill your shorts when you google it.
Clinton Too!
God Help Us All.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley
Uh huh. The article is in Insight Magazine, which is owned by the Moonie Times.
Consider your sources, Exley.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThat’s pretty low, but pretty much par for the course on Faux.
So…how much do you remember from school when you were 6? I can’t even remember my teachers name, face, hell…even the elementary school I went to at that time.
Pretty rediculous ‘news’ item, it belongs in the national enquirer.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pmFOX News whores and other GOP affiliated goons will tar Obama with all kinds of crap now. The charges that he is a Muslim are just a cover for them hating him because he is a Black Democrat. Black Republicans like Condi Rice are OK for the GOP because they act White and corrupted!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis is great. First of all, nobody who would vote for him in the first place watches Faux News, so no harm no foul. But what this really shows is that THEY FEAR HIM and rightfully so.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmNot only should he sue, he should force a very public apology from Rupert
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmWhen are we going to talk about Steve Doocey’s involvement in the secret videotaping of naked models backstage, as they were changing during a fashion segment of his show “House Party”? At least one of them sued - the story hit the papers, his show was canceled, now he’s questioning the moral character of others? I call BullShit.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pmso now we know how scared shitless they are about obama’s cadidacy
January 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI went to Philadelphia Public School(s,) where, based on the proximety to the Catholic schools, the diversity of the school, or the size of the neighborhood, I would have been ‘taught’ to hate just about every race and religion out of the mainstream of the school’s microcosm had I not been blessed with A. Objectivity and B. The fact that I spent most of my childhood living in a very diverse and equally poor neighborhood.
“When everyone’s in the same boat, it would be wise to toss the idiot drilling a hole in it overboard” was our creed!
PS: Note the general audible doofusness of the callers. I probably share some yearbook pages with them.
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January 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThat does it for Obama…
…he’s too intelligent, too international, too “COLOR”ful…
…for inbred al Crackkkers to ever vote for…
January 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmCARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
Which of course to FOX indeed IS all Muslims. They only insert quotes like the one above for “PR” considerations.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pmAnchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
It isn’t all conservatives I am concerned about, only the ones that want to destroy the US.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThey really really really really want Hillary to be the Democratic Presidential Candidate for two reasons. They’ve been preparing for a McCain vs. Hillary contest for years and feel confident she’s beatable. Two, If she wins, they know they can control her and buy her off (she’s already taken money from Rupert Murdoch). This is why the corporate media absolutely shuts out other Democratic Candidates who have better ideas such as Dennis Kucinch. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine so the media cannot shut out other candidates!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmInsight wants Obama to think the Clinton people are slandering him. Sowing dissention among Dems is what this is all about.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Exley,
So f***ing what? Supposing your claim is true, what difference does it make? Does that somehow absolve Fox News and other rightwing dirt bags for pushing this racist, xenophobic lie?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmConsider your sources, Exley.
That’s a joke, right?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pm.
How does Fox News get away with this? Why doesn’t the MSM call them out on it? Where’s the outrage?
Along with the “slip ups” from CNN, et al. this latest bit seems intended to discourage Obama from running. Hope he does run, and figures out a way to counteract the Swiftboating.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHey morons,
How is the clinton campaign “exposing it” if it was in his autobiography?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmVerbalkint….First of all, it is not “my” claim. It is what is reported in the article to which ThinkProgress linked. Secondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:22 pmSo will Fox now publicly condemn Saudi Arabia, since they place them as not yet indicted co-conspirators? Really, those scary Sauds, financing the scary Muslims. But it’s ok that shrubco holds hands with them all day long. sheesh.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe comments in the transcript are interesting. Give you an idea of what kind of drooling freaks still watch FOX News.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pm.
I urge You to read this article and act accordingly. (No, not you right wing morons, you are beyond comprehension anyways.)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GAR20070116&articleId=4483
And don’t tell me I am off topic, morons. That would be entirely TP’s fault, not to address this situation at all.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:29 pm“It is O.K. for the U.S. to have thousands of nuclear weapons and modernized delivery systems to send them crashing to earth, anywhere on earth, but you, Iran and North Korea, cannot have even one nuclear weapon.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to send a test missile with three dummy warheads 4, 200 miles to targets in the Kwajelein Missile Range in the Marshal Islands, but how dare North Korea try to test its own new long-range missile!
· It’s O.K. for Russia to launch a ballistic missile from a submarine to strike a target in the Kamchatka Peninsula, 5,000 miles away, but others better not have similar aspirations.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to budget a mammoth $6.4 billion for new nuclear activities in 2007, but we all better start worrying about China’s military budget which is less than one tenth the American spending.
· And it’s O.K. for the U.S. and Russia to have over 95% of the 27, 000 stockpiled nuclear weapons, of which some 4, 000 are dangerously on hair-triggered alert, but other countries better not plan to build their own supply of nuclear weapons.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to deploy 500 Minuteman IIII missiles on high alert, each carrying a nuclear warhead with a yield 27 times more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to criticize others for testing missiles despite the fact that the U.S. has conducted at least 48 tests of intercontinental ballistic missiles in recent years.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. under both the Clinton and G.W. Bush administrations to target North Korea in their Nuclear Poster Review, and spend billions of dollars to improve their global strike capability, but North Korea must be condemned for their recent test by the United Nation Security Council.
· It’s O.K. for China, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea and the United States to have avoided ratifying the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which has been endorsed by more than100 countries, while somehow expecting that countries such as Brazil, South Africa, Iran and Syria will somehow feel obligated not to test nuclear weapons in the future.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind…&articleId=3022
January 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWell At least he’s not a member of Skull and Bones or a Mason.
Check it out folks - find one president other than Kennedy who wasn’t a member to one of the other. You’re gonna fill your shorts when you google it.
Clinton Too!
God Help Us All.
Comment by Patrick: Husband, Father, Liberal
I know there isn’t a difference between Dems and Repubs. Thats my big rant for today.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pm#20
Kennedy was Knights of Columbus–worse than Masons but better than Skull and Bones.
Reading the accusations against Obama I see a man I would be proud to be. And a man i would be proud to have as the leader of my Country. He is, like Clinton, Bill a self-made man. Not a product of family money and corrupt corporate influence. An individual, able to think for himself and with the self confidence to make his own decisions, and yes this is a slam at the “Decider,” will make up his own mind as to the importance of Obama’s early experiences. I, for one, prefer the hard work required by Obama to get where he is with the respect he has than the ass-kissing groveling and posturing displayed by the sniveling incompetent fool the Republicans foisted upon us real Americans.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pmSecondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
Comment by Exley
Has this been reported from any other news outlet? I don’t see Hillary pushing this in a right-wing outlet, and nowhere else. I don’t think she’s a big fan of Insight, after the treatment the Clinton’s received in the ’90’s.
It doesn’t make sense, and as that paragon of jurisprudence Judge Judy says, if it doesn’t make sense, it’s not true.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“Fear of a black planet.”
-Public Enemy. 1990
January 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDebunked: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
January 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pmIt is what is reported in the article to which ThinkProgress linked.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
And that claim is false.
Here is another source to show it is the FreeRepublic -among others- that has been pushing the phony story about Hillary Clinton “unconvering” information on Sen Obama:
Co-hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Gretchen Carlson were making hay on the issue Friday (January 19, 2007), claiming that Sen. Hillary Clinton has dug up the information on Obama. Actually, it’s the right-wing that has been circulating this and other pieces of information about Obama for weeks.
Fox and Friends Now Attacking Obama for Schooling
Also, as others have already mentioned, so what if this story originated with Sen Clinton? Does it make it ok for FauxNews to slander someone? Is it allright for them to make wild claims?
They didn’t make the basic research to check the facts in this story. If this doesn’t show once and for all that FauxNews is a joke, I don’t know what will.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThey are also showing a racial bias by using only his first name. White males are referenced by their last name when only one name is used. Women often get the first name treatment as well. This is just one of the many subtle indignities imposed on “lesser” individuals. The exception for white males is when their last name is so difficult compared to the first name, hence “Arnold” and “Rudy”. That can’t also be said about “Barack” and “Hillary”.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmSounds to me like the reich wing is scared shitless of this candidate!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThis isn’t the first/only place where this bullsh*t has come out. I already had a lengthy email exchange with a conservative friend who had gotten an email to the same effect and was forwarding said email around. It’s listed on Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
I could not believe how much effort it took on my part to talk some sense into my friend (an engineer). Amazing. This kind of nonsense can have a big impact on people you thought were rational.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by DallasNE
Excellent observation.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmSecondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Your attempt to divide Democrats was addressed in post #33
Insight wants Obama to think the Clinton people are slandering him. Sowing dissention among Dems is what this is all about.
Comment by plural — January 19, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
January 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI doubt that Hillary is the source of the article. She could win a lot of points, by coming out against it.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAnd that would be why most of us do not like Hillary Clinton. She is republican lite.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIf Hillary’s camp was pushing this check-out counter crap, don’t you think other networks and print would run with it too? Make it up as you go, goons…nobody but the toothless and the unwashed are listening.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“Sounds to me like the reich wing is scared shitless of this candidate!”
And they should be. He is intelligent and a good speaker. Two things the reich wing don’t like.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“what do you think?”
January 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmi think i’d like to punch a few holes in Steve’s face.
i love the guy from alabama at the end ‘a muslim is better than hillary’
classic
They are also showing a racial bias by using only his first name.
And what’s this about?
We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein.
Was that in the Insight article, Exley?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI think it’s completely relevant. Not that all Muslims are terrorists, but they’ve certainly committed their share of terrorist acts.
I personally feel it’s more important to discuss his association with the Christian religion. Not that all Christians are terrorists- far from it - but we’d have to be living in la-la land not to mention a religion (or cult) that has had such adherents as Adolph Hilter, Mussolini, the Spanish Inquisition, George W. Bush, and Timothy McVeigh. I’m not saying Obama is as monstrous and devoid of human worth as these reprehensible bastards, but let’s at least put it out their on the table. What part of Christianity does he accept and what does he reject? Would he kill without conscience like a Geoge W Bush, or is does he have a level of humanity that would prevent such behaviour?
If a religion has been known to accept concentration camps, torture, rape, and mass murder to achieve it’s ends as Christianity has, to ignore it so as not to “offend” it’s members smacks of political correctness of the worst kind!
Caller, you say what?
January 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
The key word (and I would hope you would recognize this) is “supposedly”. I do not trust any of the authors of the Commentaries on that site (Rich Lowry, Mona Charon, Bob Novak, to name a few; not people with a history of “getting their facts straight”.)
I would have loved to have been able to read the article, but apparently you have to be asubscriber to read the full article. So all we get to see is the (possibly) inaccurate part about this being pushed by Clinton’s camp. Well, I won’t accept their word for it, and I see nothing in the article that proves this Muslim school was one of the madrasses where hate for the west is instilled.
I would like to see TP find some reputable sources to confirm this, or else call Senator Clinton’s office and ask them directly. Relying on Insight Magazine for the truth is like relying on the sun to keep you cool in the summer. You could do better.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI went to a public school that preached full and complete obeyance to your government, and to show nothing but respect for those in public office. I was taught to respect the flag, and to assume that if the nation went to war, well, there was a damn good reason for it and you shouldn’t question that.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI refused to accept many of those directives addressed to me in school. I decided to make my own decisions on what to think and feel. So I guess my school did a bad job of brainwashing me. Is it possible that Mr. Obama decided to think for himself also? But, I guess those at Fox pretty much believe what they’re told. And then spew it forth. So they don’t get it.
Faux News and the right wing in general, no doubt want Hilary to be the nominee, because she’s the least likely to be elected in the general election.
While Hillary has both good and bad points, it’s being married to Bill Clinton that will sink her being able to be elected. The minute the balloons drop on the DNC convention arena, it will be 24/7 Monica and Bill, and who wants to hear about that for the next four years.
For certain, the right is hoping that this kind of negative publicity will keep Obama from running, so that Hillary gets the nomination and loses the general.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pm[…] As if this weren’t moronic enough, Fox News, picked up the Insight article this morning and ran with it. […]
January 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWhat Loaded Questions Should We Ask About Barak Ob…
The media’s job is to raise important questions about the candidates not provide simplistic answers. The American people can provide the simplistic answers on their own….
January 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmTest
January 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSteve Doocy and Brian Killmead are both liars and they have no creditability left at all. Apparently they are trying to undermine Sen. Obama chances to become President. The real reason is racism and nothing more. They can’t come right out and attack him for being an “N Word”, so they use the “M word to cover their tracks. Everyone who has a brain knows that Obama is a Christian and so do they. The Republican spin machine is already at work playing the race card and the hate card.
What really pisses me off is that these two aholes haven’t ever done a thing to serve their country and yet they have the nerve to attack an honest public servant who is trying to make America better. If Steve and Brian get away with this bull-hit, then there is no level to which they aren’t willing to stoop. Ruppard Murdock is an ahole who hires other aholes to use propaganda to BS fools who focus on hate, bigotry and ignorance to choose political parties.
There is no amount of money or political spin that can make me tell a flat out lie about anyone. I might disagree with Republicans, but I would never tell a flat out lie about any of them. Why does a so called news media gaint have to stoop to this low level. The stupid African Americans who work for Fox News should walk out in protest. They know that Obama isn’t the way their white colleagues are trying to protray him. I don’t care if they are Republican or not, right is right and wrong is wrong.
Sometimes I watch Fox, but no more, its over for me. I wouldn’t watch their stupid lying racist moron for one single minute.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHis cover is so good - the Muslim thing is just a subterfuge. Obama is really a member of Opus Dei. Why do you think he went to Catholic school?
January 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI found a site where you can read the whole article in Insight Magazine without a subscription. Click here:
http://www.insightmag.com/ Media/ MediaManager/ Obama_2.htm
The Moderate Voice has a very good analysis of the story. They ask “So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?”, and they conclude “[…] someone clearly considers them a threat and is out to get and apparently smear them.”
This is an awful smear by the Moonies and the FauxNews crew.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWithin the past week, Fux News has called a United States Senator an “enemy of state”, manufactured bogus outrage against another US Senator with lies, and libeled another US Senator in a desperate smear campaign.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThere isn’t another “News” organization that commits these egregious acts in an abuse of FCC rules.
Between Dinesh D’Souza’s new book blaming “liberals” for 9/11 (and expressing considerable sympathy for conservative Islam, to boot) and Fox News’ attempts to imply that Obama is a “terrorist sympathizer” it’s been a banner week for the right.
Why don’t you guys sit next week out, huh? ‘Cuz, um, yer not exactly makin’ any friends lately …
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm#60 Doc Hocky
Any attempt to make a valid point during an intelligent debate that resorts to generalizations to assign the faults or assets of a few to the entire group as a whole is asinine and an argument that only a fool, or genius that knows he has lost, would use. Any reference to Mr. Obama’s religion and/or comparison to that proclaimed by King George the Dumb has no, repeat no, useful purpose other than to mask the facts of the discussion and spread hate and discontent.
Mr, Obama’s religion, KGtD’s religion, your religion, and my religion are sacrosanct to the individual. My religion is my religion and mine alone as is the religion indigenous to any other individual. No aspect of that religion as attributed to the generic term “religion” has any value. You can say all sinners or saints are Catholic but all Catholics are not sinners or saints. You can say all terrorists are Muslims but all Muslims are not terrorists. What have you proven other than you are ignorant of saints, sinners, terrorists, Muslims and Catholics. If you choose to reply please remember “No generalization is worth a damn, including this one.” Please reply in specifics and I would be happy to consider your response as, I suspect (to avoid the generalization), would most of the commentators here.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI am trying to post a comment but the spam filter “eats” it.
Let’s see if it will go through in two parts. Here is the first:
I found a site where you can read the whole article in Insight Magazine without a subscription. Click here:
http://www.insightmag.com/ Media/ MediaManager/ Obama_2.htm
January 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmDon’t Xians consider themselves glorified by their belief, and acclaim converts for having sense to “see the light” and accept their myths?
Shouldn’t these people dwelling on the school Obama was made to attend as a child be praising him for the faith he chose as a man?
If these numbskulls choose to saddle Obama with his experiences as a child, they should accept that our preznit must be tarred as a failure and a drunk…the life he chose until he was 40. They shouldn’t be able to have it both ways…but of course that’s what they’re all about.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmCARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
Gretchen, you ignorant slut. You were a Miss USA whore, and now you’re a Fux news whore. At least you’re consistent.
Speaking of blown up, you remind me of the blow up dolls Neosluts use. Is that how you got your job? You’re obviously not a journalist. Maybe you were in that sneak vidoe of Steve’s. That would explain how you got the job.
Mr. Obama’s integrity is not in question; yours is. Maybe Donald Trump could clarify things here. He’s more objective than you & your faux news people, and that’s not saying much. You make Rosie O’Donnell look like a Saint.
In a moment of insanity, I turned on Sean Insannity going home yesterday. He was explaining to a caller how the Fairness Doctrine could never be enforced, due to the fact the liberal media could never find enough conservatives to match the number of liberals currently on talk radio. Gretchen, this is the kind of dogshit you folks preach. Your day will come. I will stand by and laugh with other rational, fair minded Americans as you & the Dark Side go back into Hell.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmPiddles,
If these numbskulls choose to saddle Obama with his experiences as a child,
Comment by Mr Diddy Wah Diddy — January 19, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
I like to add:
Experiences which he -as a child- could not have possibly chosen because his parents were responsible for his upbringing (obvious to anyone except those bent on smearing an opponent).
This is simply more of the same Islamophobia by wingnuts from wingnutia…
January 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm“We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
To which Gretchen will respond on Monday:
“I was misunderstood. I didn’t really mean to make a reference to Obama.”
January 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm“Fox Stupid”…next.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmPoor Exley. He’s likely suffering from either color allergy or (assuming he’s afraid of moslems: Christolysis).
But thats not only what I think is driving him and the noise-makers sick.
Barrack is their exact opposite. Uncorrupt, smart, self-made and a true man. Guys like Exley and his cousins under the Mudroach (or shitroach or whatever) & the Neocons payroll are just some hopeless whimps. Poor souls living on a life machine from their parents and corrupts individuals tip and funding.
Do you think any of these idiots, McCain or Bush could stand to an intelligent man like Barrack? The guy is not a drunkard like your “They hate us” president (I think Smigol doesn’t do the “they hate us” thing better than Bush.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmExley like his bloody brothers aren’t as 0.0000001/1,000,000 the man Barrack Obama is. And it scare the shit out of them!
Poor Exley. He’s likely suffering from either color allergy or (assuming he’s afraid of moslems: Christolysis).
But thats not only what I think is driving him and the noise-makers sick.
Barrack is their exact opposite. Uncorrupt, smart, self-made and a true man. Guys like Exley and his cousins under the Mudroach (or shitroach or whatever) & the Neocons payroll are just some hopeless whimps. Poor souls living on a life machine from their parents and corrupts individuals tip and funding.
Do you think any of these idiots, McCain or Bush could stand to an intelligent man like Barrack? The guy is not a drunkard like your “They hate us” president (I think Smigol doesn’t do the “they hate us” thing better than Bush.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmExley like his bloody brothers aren’t as 0.0000001/1,000,000 the man Barrack Obama is. And it scare the shit out of them!
ZOMG!!!! Did you know he smokes too!?!?! We must stop the evil smoker with the unique heritage!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFox has taken notes from the swift-boaters.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThese people are scum of television news. Gossip mongers freely dispensing lies and innuendoes.
#61….Wayne,
Yes, the word “supposedly” was placed there by me quite deliberately.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm[…] Take this morning’s jihadfest from Fox News: (ThinkProgress) DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa? […]
January 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWell, the second part of my post won’t “stick”. I will try one more time:
The Moderate Voice has a very good analysis of the story. Click here:
http://themoderatevoice.com/ politics/ is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama
They ask “So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?”, and they conclude “[…] someone clearly considers them a threat and is out to get and apparently smear them.”
The Moonies and the FauxNews crew are bent on smearing both Obama and Sen Clinton.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmA little piece of advise for Exley, Gretchen, the Faux Screw, and GOPpers:
Barrack Obama made it and became a real man, depsite the hardship he faced while he was child. Unlike your weazly president and champion King Bush II, who still needs daddy’s help after he’d fucked up the entire country. We are talking zero to hero. Not rich to rot! We are talking leaders. Not an idiot who needed Carl Rove, and Snow to do all his thinking and speeches.
These idiots would have ended up worse than dogs if they had underwent the same hardship like Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmKeep defaming him, it shows us how VERY VERY important he is, and how turkey scared you guys are!
HA! Hillary’s pushing this story?! Is Wes Clark still pushing the Kerry Intern Affair story, too? You know, just because a right wing yahoo says something, it doesn’t make it true.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI know there isn’t a difference between Dems and Repubs.
Comment by ForTruth — January 19, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
i meant to say this earlier…
that is a right wing talking poing that you keep repeating…
it is a lie… it is meant to discourage you from voting…
please stop repeating that right wing garbage here… please…
January 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmobama gives the impression that his childhood was humble. if this is true, where did the money for all of his education come from? can we follow the money? can we follow the money for his campaign?
January 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOnly some 13 senators have gone on to the Presidency. I don’t think Obama, swiftboating or not, would become president.
Fox news has become something of a World News Weekly, and will soon be airing the ‘Hillary chooses Bigfoot as a running mate’ story. =)
January 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmnorma busic: obama gives the impression that his childhood was humble. if this is true, where did the money for all of his education come from? can we follow the money? can we follow the money for his campaign?
Yeah, it can be traced….. to your goddamned asshole!
January 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI’m not worried about his religion, I am worried about his role as Del in the Crying Game ….
January 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#19, barfly,
Tim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#86
What is your point? Where is the link between a humble childhood and money for an education? Are you implying that people with a humble childhood should not be allowed a college education? Are you inferring that because he had a humble childhood and money he spent on an education was from an illicit source? Why should you want to follow the money, which I assume is a metaphorical request for an audit of the source of his educational funds? What would you do with the information if the funds were legitimate? Would you do the same if the funds were tainted? Why do you want to follow the money for his campaign? Assuming he is following the same reporting laws as the would-be republican candidates the information is public knowledge. If he is not following the law it is the Government’s burden of proof. It is not up to you to convict the man by innuendo. Again, what is your point? If for some reason you suspect Mr. Obama is less than he appears then do your research and present the facts. Do not attempt to smear the man with no basis in fact other than your own ignorance and prejudices. For your information I was the oldest son of a Missouri dirt farmer born in the middle of the depression. About as humble a beginning as was possible in this Country at that time. I have a Masters Degree and have done work on a PHD and I paid for it by earning every cent. The last five years I did at night after working a full time job. If I can do it so can Mr. Obama and whether or not either of us did it is none of your damn business. Especially when it is apparent you want to make it your business only to defame the man. You owe Mr. Obama and all the readers here an apology, provided you can do it with legitimate funding and we can follow the money.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pm#32, Larry,
You are correct that Hill’reh, like her husband and Al Gore, can ALL be bought, which is why I don’t trust ANY Clintonista in the whitehouse. They will SAY anything to grab power, and will DO anything to keep it. I would sooner trust a looney-tooney netroot candidate, than any Clintonista.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSteve Doocy is funded by cunts.
Now let him sue.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm[…] After all, the 8 year old could control where he went to go to school. […]
January 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmFox is a joke.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThe Democrats in the Congress must demand that FOX News has its broadcast license revoked for slanderous lies and foisting propaganda for the GOP and the Bush Regime. Rupert Murdoch is NOT an American citizen, so he should be deported back to Australia, and have all his financial assets seized by the FBI. FOX News must be closed down and all the fascists like Hannity & O’Reilly looking for employment elsewhere!
January 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pm[…] And those are the most dangerous of all. What prompted this? Oh, just some harmless little speculation on Fox about Barack Obama’s being schooled by terrorists . . . _uacct = “UA-727906-1″; urchinTracker(); […]
January 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#97, Jay,
I think it is funny that you are calling Rupert a fascist, while demanding the seizure of all his corporate / personal assets - that is the hallmark of a fascist / communist philosophy / idealogy.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
-When Tim McVeigh was arrested he had a copy of “The Turner Diaries†in his possession. This is a book about a white supremacist group who commit a terrorist act by blowing up FBI Headquarters. The government overreacts to the situation by creating a police state. The group convinces white Protestants that they were under attack by their own government [which was under the control of Jews]. A race, cultural and religious war breaks out and all minorities, Jews, Catholics and Liberal whites are killed leaving behind only white Protestants. This is what Tim McVeigh hoped to achieve.
-I want to see you and your Christian survivalist friends take on a government that has tanks, missiles, biological and chemical weapons among other things.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmLol Hendler > Americans are NO longer going to tolerate fascists like Murdoch, so stop defending him, and we all know you are a fascist too!
January 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm#100, Nat,
Having grown up in a somewhat rural area, I am familiar with the mindset of individuals like McVeigh, and I am certain his motivation was based on the governments heavy-handed actions against its own citizens, regardless of their faith, and not any religious motivation. It takes a LOT to get middle-Americans to rise up against their government, and the attacks on Randy Weaver’s wife and child, and the women and children in the religious commune in Waco, was the ONLY catalyst that would bring those people to arms against their own government.
I suspect that book was more an outline of how to take on the feds, and NOT a motivation for it - the nightly news was all that was needed. Back in the ’90’s, there was a legitimate fear of a “one world government”, but that fear has now disappated, as the UN and EU are proving inept and impotent.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#101, Jay,
Obviously, you have NO understanding of the term “fascist”, so look it up in “The Book of Isms” 11th edition. I have NO desire to confiscate or limit your ability to create wealth or earn an income. I have NO desire to limit your speech or other liberties.
Read and learn.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#19, barfly,
Tim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Jason — your ignorance and stupidity is breathtaking — tell that idiotic founding fathers sob story to the 19 daycare children that were blown to bits by the murdering Xtian McVeigh and his pals — oh that’s right! kinda hard to communicate with the rotting corpses of toddlers isn’t it?? Good God you are a sick bastard.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#104, krazeeinjun,
If there was ever a situation that epitomizes the Clintons, it them using the feds to lash out at Randy Weaver’s wife and children, and the women and children in the Christian commune in Waco, then run and hide behind the women and children in a daycare center, using them as human shields.
If the Clintons and the feds want to be heavy handed, then they need to be in federal buildings separate from women and children, and leave themselves as open to assault as the common citizens they attack.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmPeople are focusing their anger towards FOX for reporting this story, but their anger is misdirected and should be pointed in the direction of the Clinton camp for making this an issue. Hillary Clinton is a polarizing figure, people either love her or hate her. Now she has given the muslim community a reason to hate her too.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pm#104, krazeeinjun,
Why did you not bother to highlight the heavy handed actions that I listed in that paragraph, and instead, focus on McVeigh’s “blowback”? You just don’t want to admit the fed’s role in these events.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhy don’t you say it like it is, the story started at Insight Mag - one of Moon’s propaganda outlets. It is intended to fuck our nation’s political discourse as all Moon media is intended to do and has been doing for 25 years.
Going after FOX and fools is a waste of time they are on auto pilot like the cult they represent.
Go after Moon, he drives their bus.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmwe REALLY need to encourage this.
also, is there such a thing as a ‘yahoobi christian’?
January 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThis is all just a case study in how Fox News viewers in America become so misinformed that they can’t make informed decisions. The amazing thing to me is that Fox viewers find out over and over that Fox has made a fool of them and they don’t care. Fox viewers evidently have no self-respect.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#108, mdhatter,
You just revealed one of the favorite tactics of the liberal blogger. Whatever label you’ve been branded with, look for a way to call your opponent the same thing. Libloggers don’t bother justifying or defending their positions, they just try to say - you are no better.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmJason,
if McVeigh was trying to get Clinton for his heavy handed action, then he should have targeted the white house. Saying that somehow it was okay for him to blow up the federal building is well sick. Man, I used to think you were okay, but it is clear you are circling the drain.
PS I looked up Del in the crying game. I suspect you meant Dil, and the actor credited in the role was not Barack Obama. Are you trying to claim it was him? or that he looked similar to the actor? Try sometime if you have questions about movies.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#109, bluedog,
Yeah, that’s why 14 of the 15 top cable shows are on the Fox News channel. They are the most popular cable channel, and still growing. Usually, in a free market, that means there would normally be many people trying to copy their content. Instead, libs have spent a lot of money trying to replicate the look (even hiring away a Fox News correspondant), but they have all failed to copy their content.
May all Fox News adversaries sink their cash into competing networks with content that people already get for free from the ABC, NBC and CBS, so that Fox continues to increase in market share, and their adversaries go broke.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHaving grown up in a somewhat rural area, I am familiar with the mindset of individuals like McVeigh, and I am certain his motivation was based on the governments heavy-handed actions against its own citizens, regardless of their faith, and not any religious motivation. It takes a LOT to get middle-Americans to rise up against their government, and the attacks on Randy Weaver’s wife and child, and the women and children in the religious commune in Waco, was the ONLY catalyst that would bring those people to arms against their own government.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Tim McVeigh was racist scum who wanted to rid the U.S. of all minority groups and liberal whites. The heavy handed tactics argument (excuse) claimed by McVeigh and his supporters is what they use to rationalize their insane beliefs.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#112, Krazny,
It is no more OK for Tim McVeigh to blow up the feds in OK, than for the feds to sniper kill Randy Weavers wife and new-born infant, and drive tanks into the buildings where women and children eat and sleep. I am just saying that one action naturally causes the other, as was the founding father’s intention by the way they framed the US constitution.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmKrazny,
JMH was outed on his ignorance regarding “The Crying Game” last week, he’s just taking it for a re-run. He’s once again showing us exactly what a racist boor he is.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmsorry link to IMDB didn’t work here it is:
http://www.imdb.com/
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmOne point you missed as well. McVeigh was an extremist. to claim he was somehow part of middle America is goofy. If the actions at Waco, and Ruby Ridge would truly have caused the middle class to rise up, then they would have. Instead you got a freak who decided to kill alot of innocent people.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIt’s so apparent that the RNC, FOX, all the ring wing talking heads are afraid of Obama, because he’s got a shot. Even if I were a bystander from all I have been hearing they are afraid, very afraid. Obama/Bill Clinton ticket in 08′! Yeah, right. I can dream can’t I? The fact is if the country is as dumb as most of the posters on Yahoo or many of the other sites they all assume that because his name is Barrack Hussein Obama then he must be a Muslim and of course we all know if he’s a Muslim, he’s a terrorist. Assclowns.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#113, Nat,
Liberal whites reinforce the non-viable behaviours of their constituents, which makes our whole society less viable, and eventually, non-viable. Hopefully, conservatives will work harder to thwart white liberals further efforts to continue these bad policies.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#117, Krazny,
Yes, McVeigh was an extremest, so they tend to be the first to respond with the most radical methods. As it turns out, Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno were very chastined in subsequent actions, and not so cavalier. No more Waco’s ….
January 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmYeah, that’s why 14 of the 15 top cable shows are on the Fox News channel.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
None of the Cable News Channels really have an audience. Most people get their news from their local affiliate.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThinkProgress authors and editors should be honest with their readers and attribute the source of this information not to Fox News (the messenger).
Hillary’s team has questions about Obama’s Muslim background:
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmhttp://www.insightmag.com/ Media/ MediaManager/ Obama_2.htm
I am just saying that one action naturally causes the other, as was the founding father’s intention by the way they framed the US constitution.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
No wonder we are where we are. When people like Mr. Hendler get control, all they can think of doing is attacking anyone who doesn’t toe the line. I don’t believe the founding fathers ever meant for either the fed to do what they did in Waco, or would have found the murder of women and children at the Oklahoma Federal building to somehow be okay. When we fought the revolution, we fought british troops. we didn’t target british citizens. You are a sick, sick man.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAlready debunked mike, thank you for playing, please come again. You may want to read through the thread, before posting your talking point from RNC central.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmLiberal whites reinforce the non-viable behaviours of their constituents, which makes our whole society less viable, and eventually, non-viable. Hopefully, conservatives will work harder to thwart white liberals further efforts to continue these bad policies.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
-So you agree with McVeigh’s vision.
-Liberals brought us the United States of America. If you want to live in a conservative society, move to Saudi Arabia.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmThinkProgress authors and editors should be honest with their readers and attribute the source of this information not to Fox News (the messenger).
Insight is owned by Rev. Moon. Do you think that gives it more credibility — or less?
Moon has been critical of the Clinton’s since they came on the national stage.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmMike,
That claim has already been debunked.
Furthermore, the fact that Fox didn’t check their facts speaks volumes about their integrity and honesty -or lack tereof.
The Moderate Voice and Hot Air have good analysis of the story. Click here:
http://themoderatevoice.com/ politics/ is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama
And here:
http://hotair.com/ archives/ 2007/ 01/ 18/ report-hillary-preparing-to-play-the-muslim-card-on-obama/
January 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYes, McVeigh was an extremest, so they tend to be the first to respond with the most radical methods. As it turns out, Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno were very chastined in subsequent actions, and not so cavalier. No more Waco’s ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
McVeigh wanted to rid the world of all minorities and liberal whites (something only Hitler and his ilk and apparently you would admire). His behavior (blowing up a building) goes beyond extremism.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Ha, Ha, Ha.
You do realize you’ve just debunked yourself, right? This is, I believe, the first instance of someone debunking their assertion before they actually made it! Congratulations on a new first in wingnut trollery!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pm“They will SAY anything to grab power, and will DO anything to keep it.”
Jason, that’s sounds a whole heck of a lot like the current administration. But your too full of yourself to see that.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHendler is a perfect poster child for the average Fox News fan. Uninformed, simple-minded, under multiple illusions, and damn proud of it; purposely and unabashedly wrong-headed about a variety of issues; confused about what the issues really are… he is suffering from Fox News Delusionary Syndrome (FNDS). Millions of Americans suffer from FNDS. We’ve got to find a cure.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmHendler says, McVey “bombed the feds” because of things the feds did. See, this is a great example of FNDS. First, McVey bombed and killed 167 people, not “the feds.” Secondly, Hendler excuses an act of mass murder because of what he thinks the VICTIMS did. Hey Hendler, I thought you wingnuts were into “victims’ rights.”
Fox News Delusionary Syndrome is a terrible disease. We should pity those with FNDS.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmBarfly, good catch but Jason will only tell you that the tanks and snipers were the Feds tanks and snipers and will ignore the fact that those situations wouldn’t have occurred if RELIGION wasn’t involved. It’s quite easy to see Jason’s logic - simply ignore facts, twist a little, blame Clinton and don’t forget to mention that citizens have a right to bare arms.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmMillions of Americans suffer from FNDS. We’ve got to find a cure.
Comment by Bluedog49
But until we do, there’s always Massengill’s. Now, with a new, contoured tip!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe only “misinformed” people here are apparently the readers of this site. FOX is smearing; the Dems’ own are. What a bunch of yahoos.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYikes, And to claim that religion (Koresh) didn’t play any part is blithely balmy.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmHere’s an example of how Fox News Delusionary Syndrome works: Tim McVey kills 167 people — a person with FNDS says the government’s policies made him do it. 19 hijackers kill 3000 people — government policies have nothing to do with it; they did it because they “hate freedom.”
The person suffering from FNDS is hoplessly confused and needs help badly.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYAY! it’s another JASON M. HINTLER show!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmRob presents another sad example of someone with FNDS. Allegedly, some on Clinton’s team are asking questions about Obama’s background. Fox broadcasts this to millions of its viewers and makes some phony news out of it, but somehow, it’s the Dems who are to blame, not Fox news. You see, FNDS causes people to lose whatever power of critical thinking they may have had. It’s very sad.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThe only “misinformed†people here are apparently the readers of this site
When wingnut feel like sharing, it is.
Rob, it reads like a gossip column; no-one’s on record, not even the author! It’s a hit piece on both Clinton and Obama, from a notoriously unreliable, and biased source.
This is your “proof?”
January 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmAllegedly, some on Clinton’s team are asking questions about Obama’s background
Speaking exclusively to a right wing reporter, from a Moonie-owned outlet? What’s wrong with this picture?
January 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmHendler loves to come here and shoot his foot for us.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pm[…] Fear of a black president […]
January 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pmRob demonstrates another trait of the unfortunate person with FNDS: if the info is about a Democrat, a gossip column will do. If you’re trying to make the claim that Bush lied us into a shooting war, you’re going to have to come up with some very solid evidence. Poor Rob.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“Heritage Foundation” thanks! Wow people have been very accomodating giving us great examples of Fox News Delusionary Syndrome and you have not disappointed us. You give us a classic example of someone unable to think critically. What you are doing is equating “popularity” with funding. Yes, Heritage, right-wing think tanks are much more well funded than left-wing think tanks. Only a