Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist
Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist
This morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child.
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudis” and “teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us,” then declared, “The big question is: was that on the curriculum back then?” Later, a caller to the show questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.” Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, “Well, we’ll see about that.”
The Fox hosts failed to correct the false claim that Obama is Muslim. One caller, referring to Obama, said, “I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to.” Anchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.” Obama is Christian, a member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ since 1988. Watch it:
As a child, Obama spent four years in Indonesia with his step-father, a non-practicing Muslim, and his mother. Between ages 6 and 8, Obama attended a local Muslim school in Jakarta; after that, he was enrolled in a Roman Catholic school. In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:
In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.
In his more recent book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes (p.274), “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.”
Transcript:
DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?
[snip]
DOOCY: We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein. And the thing about the madrassa, and you know, let’s just be honest about this, in the last number of years, madrassas have been, we’ve learned a lot about them, financed by Saudis, they teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us. The big question is was that on the curriculum back then? Probably not, but it was a madrassa and the big question is whether or not any of these revelations about the fact that he was a Muslim — right now I understand he does go to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, although not a regular parishioner — but raised as a Muslim, went to a madrassa.
[snip]
DOOCY: Is it ancient history or do you think madrassa matters. [phone ringing] Josh joins us from Colorado. Good morning to you Josh.
CALLER: What’s up?
DOOCY: What do you think?
CALLER: I think that ultimately this will probably be one of the main reasons is he not elected.
DOOCY: Just the fact that his father was a Muslim, he was raised as a Muslim for awhile, and went to a madrassa school in Jakarta?
CALLER: Right. I mean, you think that would possibly give him better insight on the enemy, maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.
KILMEADE: Well, we’ll see about that. Yeah, Josh says that.
[snip]
CALLER: Hi, good morning. Yes, I think it does matter. The fact that he omitted it must mean that he feels that somebody is going to have an opinion. And President Bush certainly comes under scrutiny, so why shouldn’t he?
KILMEADE: Well, he didn’t admit it. I mean that’s the issue.
CARLSON: Well she said he didn’t.
KILMEADE: Says he didn’t come out, and I was over in Indonesia for five years, or roughly five years, went to a madrassa and there is some reports that Wahhabism was the curriculum there, which is a problem because they start with “We hate America” and work their way back from there.
DOOCY: Well, the way it was framed in one of his biographies, he said, “I was sent first,” this is in Indonesia, “to a catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school.” He doesn’t say, “I went to a madrassa, where they taught Wahhabism.” He simply says, “I went to a predominantly Muslim school.”
CARLSON: Alright, Jim from Alabama, what do you think?
DOOCY: Jim?
CALLER: Yeah.
CARLSON: What do you think?
CALLER: I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to. [Laughter]
CARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
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ok this is just beyond hilarious
January 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pmOh crap Obama has been swiftboated.
And stupid Gretchin opened her pie hole agian.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTalk about "fear of a black man"
This is insane... even for Fox.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pm"Possible covert Muslim extremist???"
Obama, please sue Rupert Murdoch for everything he's got. If you fail to take action here, that amounts to a tacit acceptance of this sort of loathsome behavior.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmFaux News, time to lawyer up. You just stepped in a huge bag of defemation.
These clowns are no longer funny. Goebbles would have been proud. Wingnuts need to be quickly beat down in this age. Words matter.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOh boy the swift-boating of Obama has begun by the GOP goons. Calling him a closeted Muslim is the best smear they can come up with > pathetic!
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmFox is chickenshit.
Obama has class, and these people are idiots.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI DARE MSM TO ASK THE OBVIOUS
Let's imagine that 4 years ago, you went to your boss or partners or board of directors with a plan for a project.
Three years later, it turns out:
- your project was based upon knowingly falsified data
- your project has gone 10,000 % over its budget
- your project has gotten 3,014 of your employees killed and 22,000 injured
- your project has no realistic end in sight
- your project has exposed your company to virtually unlimited financial liability
- your project has brought your company to impending bankruptcy.
Against that backdrop, ask yourself this -
January 19th, 2007 at 12:52 pmif this was you,
HOW FIRED WOULD YOU BE?
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudisâ€
So was Bush. One more reason to oppose Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm.
Actually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWas Doocy implying that *all* Madrassas are both a) funded by the Saudis and b) preach Wahabbism? I can't stream video currently, so I can't watch/stomach the video, but if he is, it really, really needs to be corrected.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pmAh yes, Fox News catering to the ignorant as always. Of course he will never get elected because there will be enough ignorant people in this country and enough Fox News type outlets to ignore any good policies or qualities this man may have.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pmAnd if he is a Muslim...what?
January 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI am really not too excited about Obama, but this makes me wonder how long it will be till they start having photoshoped images of him with a bomb belt on with Fox fans calling in saying we knew it!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 pmI don't know what 'article' you're referring to, Exley, but I did read the posted transcript. HRC's name wasn't in there at all, no matter how much you'd like to keep the Republican story line of a Clinton-Obama spat going.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:01 pmObama, please sue Rupert Murdoch for everything he’s got. If you fail to take action here, that amounts to a tacit acceptance of this sort of loathsome behavior.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
And to know why that would be a mistake all you have to do is look at Kerry in 2004...
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
The blurb on the article says that. The article is only available to subscribers. If a wing-nut publication says that Hillary Clinton is questioning Obama, and only Faux News reports it, then it is most probably a subterfuge, kill two birds with one stone: sow dissension among Democrats and swiftboat Obama. I mean, this ploy has Rove writ large on it.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWow, and we're not even near the Primaries yet!
The GOP Propaganda machine is in full Smear mode...
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
As well as christian bombers like Tim Mc Vey . . .
And the obvious, sophomoric dig at Media Matters -- madrassa matters -- do they have high schoolers writing copy at FNC?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWell At least he's not a member of Skull and Bones or a Mason.
Check it out folks - find one president other than Kennedy who wasn't a member to one of the other. You're gonna fill your shorts when you google it.
Clinton Too!
God Help Us All.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley
Uh huh. The article is in Insight Magazine, which is owned by the Moonie Times.
Consider your sources, Exley.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThat's pretty low, but pretty much par for the course on Faux.
So...how much do you remember from school when you were 6? I can't even remember my teachers name, face, hell...even the elementary school I went to at that time.
Pretty rediculous 'news' item, it belongs in the national enquirer.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pmFOX News whores and other GOP affiliated goons will tar Obama with all kinds of crap now. The charges that he is a Muslim are just a cover for them hating him because he is a Black Democrat. Black Republicans like Condi Rice are OK for the GOP because they act White and corrupted!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis is great. First of all, nobody who would vote for him in the first place watches Faux News, so no harm no foul. But what this really shows is that THEY FEAR HIM and rightfully so.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmNot only should he sue, he should force a very public apology from Rupert
January 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmWhen are we going to talk about Steve Doocey's involvement in the secret videotaping of naked models backstage, as they were changing during a fashion segment of his show "House Party"? At least one of them sued - the story hit the papers, his show was canceled, now he's questioning the moral character of others? I call BullShit.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pmso now we know how scared shitless they are about obama's cadidacy
January 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI went to Philadelphia Public School(s,) where, based on the proximety to the Catholic schools, the diversity of the school, or the size of the neighborhood, I would have been 'taught' to hate just about every race and religion out of the mainstream of the school's microcosm had I not been blessed with A. Objectivity and B. The fact that I spent most of my childhood living in a very diverse and equally poor neighborhood.
"When everyone's in the same boat, it would be wise to toss the idiot drilling a hole in it overboard" was our creed!
PS: Note the general audible doofusness of the callers. I probably share some yearbook pages with them.
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January 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThat does it for Obama...
...he's too intelligent, too international, too "COLOR"ful...
...for inbred al Crackkkers to ever vote for...
January 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmCARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
Which of course to FOX indeed IS all Muslims. They only insert quotes like the one above for "PR" considerations.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pmAnchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
It isn't all conservatives I am concerned about, only the ones that want to destroy the US.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThey really really really really want Hillary to be the Democratic Presidential Candidate for two reasons. They've been preparing for a McCain vs. Hillary contest for years and feel confident she's beatable. Two, If she wins, they know they can control her and buy her off (she's already taken money from Rupert Murdoch). This is why the corporate media absolutely shuts out other Democratic Candidates who have better ideas such as Dennis Kucinch. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine so the media cannot shut out other candidates!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmInsight wants Obama to think the Clinton people are slandering him. Sowing dissention among Dems is what this is all about.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Exley,
So f***ing what? Supposing your claim is true, what difference does it make? Does that somehow absolve Fox News and other rightwing dirt bags for pushing this racist, xenophobic lie?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmConsider your sources, Exley.
That's a joke, right?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pm.
How does Fox News get away with this? Why doesn't the MSM call them out on it? Where's the outrage?
Along with the "slip ups" from CNN, et al. this latest bit seems intended to discourage Obama from running. Hope he does run, and figures out a way to counteract the Swiftboating.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHey morons,
How is the clinton campaign "exposing it" if it was in his autobiography?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmVerbalkint....First of all, it is not "my" claim. It is what is reported in the article to which ThinkProgress linked. Secondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:22 pmSo will Fox now publicly condemn Saudi Arabia, since they place them as not yet indicted co-conspirators? Really, those scary Sauds, financing the scary Muslims. But it's ok that shrubco holds hands with them all day long. sheesh.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe comments in the transcript are interesting. Give you an idea of what kind of drooling freaks still watch FOX News.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pm.
I urge You to read this article and act accordingly. (No, not you right wing morons, you are beyond comprehension anyways.)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GAR20070116&articleId=4483
And don't tell me I am off topic, morons. That would be entirely TP's fault, not to address this situation at all.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:29 pm"It is O.K. for the U.S. to have thousands of nuclear weapons and modernized delivery systems to send them crashing to earth, anywhere on earth, but you, Iran and North Korea, cannot have even one nuclear weapon.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to send a test missile with three dummy warheads 4, 200 miles to targets in the Kwajelein Missile Range in the Marshal Islands, but how dare North Korea try to test its own new long-range missile!
· It’s O.K. for Russia to launch a ballistic missile from a submarine to strike a target in the Kamchatka Peninsula, 5,000 miles away, but others better not have similar aspirations.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to budget a mammoth $6.4 billion for new nuclear activities in 2007, but we all better start worrying about China’s military budget which is less than one tenth the American spending.
· And it’s O.K. for the U.S. and Russia to have over 95% of the 27, 000 stockpiled nuclear weapons, of which some 4, 000 are dangerously on hair-triggered alert, but other countries better not plan to build their own supply of nuclear weapons.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to deploy 500 Minuteman IIII missiles on high alert, each carrying a nuclear warhead with a yield 27 times more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. to criticize others for testing missiles despite the fact that the U.S. has conducted at least 48 tests of intercontinental ballistic missiles in recent years.
· It’s O.K. for the U.S. under both the Clinton and G.W. Bush administrations to target North Korea in their Nuclear Poster Review, and spend billions of dollars to improve their global strike capability, but North Korea must be condemned for their recent test by the United Nation Security Council.
· It’s O.K. for China, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea and the United States to have avoided ratifying the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which has been endorsed by more than100 countries, while somehow expecting that countries such as Brazil, South Africa, Iran and Syria will somehow feel obligated not to test nuclear weapons in the future."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...&articleId=3022
January 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWell At least he’s not a member of Skull and Bones or a Mason.
Check it out folks - find one president other than Kennedy who wasn’t a member to one of the other. You’re gonna fill your shorts when you google it.
Clinton Too!
God Help Us All.
Comment by Patrick: Husband, Father, Liberal
I know there isn't a difference between Dems and Repubs. Thats my big rant for today.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pm#20
Kennedy was Knights of Columbus--worse than Masons but better than Skull and Bones.
Reading the accusations against Obama I see a man I would be proud to be. And a man i would be proud to have as the leader of my Country. He is, like Clinton, Bill a self-made man. Not a product of family money and corrupt corporate influence. An individual, able to think for himself and with the self confidence to make his own decisions, and yes this is a slam at the "Decider," will make up his own mind as to the importance of Obama's early experiences. I, for one, prefer the hard work required by Obama to get where he is with the respect he has than the ass-kissing groveling and posturing displayed by the sniveling incompetent fool the Republicans foisted upon us real Americans.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pmSecondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
Comment by Exley
Has this been reported from any other news outlet? I don't see Hillary pushing this in a right-wing outlet, and nowhere else. I don't think she's a big fan of Insight, after the treatment the Clinton's received in the '90's.
It doesn't make sense, and as that paragon of jurisprudence Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm"Fear of a black planet."
-Public Enemy. 1990
January 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDebunked: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
January 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pmIt is what is reported in the article to which ThinkProgress linked.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
And that claim is false.
Here is another source to show it is the FreeRepublic -among others- that has been pushing the phony story about Hillary Clinton "unconvering" information on Sen Obama:
Co-hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Gretchen Carlson were making hay on the issue Friday (January 19, 2007), claiming that Sen. Hillary Clinton has dug up the information on Obama. Actually, it's the right-wing that has been circulating this and other pieces of information about Obama for weeks.
Fox and Friends Now Attacking Obama for Schooling
Also, as others have already mentioned, so what if this story originated with Sen Clinton? Does it make it ok for FauxNews to slander someone? Is it allright for them to make wild claims?
They didn't make the basic research to check the facts in this story. If this doesn't show once and for all that FauxNews is a joke, I don't know what will.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThey are also showing a racial bias by using only his first name. White males are referenced by their last name when only one name is used. Women often get the first name treatment as well. This is just one of the many subtle indignities imposed on "lesser" individuals. The exception for white males is when their last name is so difficult compared to the first name, hence "Arnold" and "Rudy". That can't also be said about "Barack" and "Hillary".
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmSounds to me like the reich wing is scared shitless of this candidate!
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThis isn't the first/only place where this bullsh*t has come out. I already had a lengthy email exchange with a conservative friend who had gotten an email to the same effect and was forwarding said email around. It's listed on Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
I could not believe how much effort it took on my part to talk some sense into my friend (an engineer). Amazing. This kind of nonsense can have a big impact on people you thought were rational.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by DallasNE
Excellent observation.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmSecondly, if it is true, then your outrage should also be directed at the Hillary Clinton camp.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Your attempt to divide Democrats was addressed in post #33
Insight wants Obama to think the Clinton people are slandering him. Sowing dissention among Dems is what this is all about.
Comment by plural — January 19, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
January 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI doubt that Hillary is the source of the article. She could win a lot of points, by coming out against it.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAnd that would be why most of us do not like Hillary Clinton. She is republican lite.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIf Hillary's camp was pushing this check-out counter crap, don't you think other networks and print would run with it too? Make it up as you go, goons...nobody but the toothless and the unwashed are listening.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pm"Sounds to me like the reich wing is scared shitless of this candidate!"
And they should be. He is intelligent and a good speaker. Two things the reich wing don't like.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:54 pm"what do you think?"
January 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmi think i'd like to punch a few holes in Steve's face.
i love the guy from alabama at the end 'a muslim is better than hillary'
classic
They are also showing a racial bias by using only his first name.
And what's this about?
We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein.
Was that in the Insight article, Exley?
January 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI think it's completely relevant. Not that all Muslims are terrorists, but they've certainly committed their share of terrorist acts.
I personally feel it's more important to discuss his association with the Christian religion. Not that all Christians are terrorists- far from it - but we'd have to be living in la-la land not to mention a religion (or cult) that has had such adherents as Adolph Hilter, Mussolini, the Spanish Inquisition, George W. Bush, and Timothy McVeigh. I'm not saying Obama is as monstrous and devoid of human worth as these reprehensible bastards, but let's at least put it out their on the table. What part of Christianity does he accept and what does he reject? Would he kill without conscience like a Geoge W Bush, or is does he have a level of humanity that would prevent such behaviour?
If a religion has been known to accept concentration camps, torture, rape, and mass murder to achieve it's ends as Christianity has, to ignore it so as not to "offend" it's members smacks of political correctness of the worst kind!
Caller, you say what?
January 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmActually, if you read the article, you will see that it is the Hillary Clinton camp that is supposedly pushing this story.
Comment by Exley — January 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
The key word (and I would hope you would recognize this) is "supposedly". I do not trust any of the authors of the Commentaries on that site (Rich Lowry, Mona Charon, Bob Novak, to name a few; not people with a history of "getting their facts straight".)
I would have loved to have been able to read the article, but apparently you have to be asubscriber to read the full article. So all we get to see is the (possibly) inaccurate part about this being pushed by Clinton's camp. Well, I won't accept their word for it, and I see nothing in the article that proves this Muslim school was one of the madrasses where hate for the west is instilled.
I would like to see TP find some reputable sources to confirm this, or else call Senator Clinton's office and ask them directly. Relying on Insight Magazine for the truth is like relying on the sun to keep you cool in the summer. You could do better.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI went to a public school that preached full and complete obeyance to your government, and to show nothing but respect for those in public office. I was taught to respect the flag, and to assume that if the nation went to war, well, there was a damn good reason for it and you shouldn't question that.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI refused to accept many of those directives addressed to me in school. I decided to make my own decisions on what to think and feel. So I guess my school did a bad job of brainwashing me. Is it possible that Mr. Obama decided to think for himself also? But, I guess those at Fox pretty much believe what they're told. And then spew it forth. So they don't get it.
Faux News and the right wing in general, no doubt want Hilary to be the nominee, because she's the least likely to be elected in the general election.
While Hillary has both good and bad points, it's being married to Bill Clinton that will sink her being able to be elected. The minute the balloons drop on the DNC convention arena, it will be 24/7 Monica and Bill, and who wants to hear about that for the next four years.
For certain, the right is hoping that this kind of negative publicity will keep Obama from running, so that Hillary gets the nomination and loses the general.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pm[...] As if this weren’t moronic enough, Fox News, picked up the Insight article this morning and ran with it. [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWhat Loaded Questions Should We Ask About Barak Ob...
The media's job is to raise important questions about the candidates not provide simplistic answers. The American people can provide the simplistic answers on their own....
January 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmTest
January 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSteve Doocy and Brian Killmead are both liars and they have no creditability left at all. Apparently they are trying to undermine Sen. Obama chances to become President. The real reason is racism and nothing more. They can't come right out and attack him for being an "N Word", so they use the "M word to cover their tracks. Everyone who has a brain knows that Obama is a Christian and so do they. The Republican spin machine is already at work playing the race card and the hate card.
What really pisses me off is that these two aholes haven't ever done a thing to serve their country and yet they have the nerve to attack an honest public servant who is trying to make America better. If Steve and Brian get away with this bull-hit, then there is no level to which they aren't willing to stoop. Ruppard Murdock is an ahole who hires other aholes to use propaganda to BS fools who focus on hate, bigotry and ignorance to choose political parties.
There is no amount of money or political spin that can make me tell a flat out lie about anyone. I might disagree with Republicans, but I would never tell a flat out lie about any of them. Why does a so called news media gaint have to stoop to this low level. The stupid African Americans who work for Fox News should walk out in protest. They know that Obama isn't the way their white colleagues are trying to protray him. I don't care if they are Republican or not, right is right and wrong is wrong.
Sometimes I watch Fox, but no more, its over for me. I wouldn't watch their stupid lying racist moron for one single minute.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHis cover is so good - the Muslim thing is just a subterfuge. Obama is really a member of Opus Dei. Why do you think he went to Catholic school?
January 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI found a site where you can read the whole article in Insight Magazine without a subscription. Click here:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
The Moderate Voice has a very good analysis of the story. They ask "So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?", and they conclude "[...] someone clearly considers them a threat and is out to get and apparently smear them."
This is an awful smear by the Moonies and the FauxNews crew.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWithin the past week, Fux News has called a United States Senator an "enemy of state", manufactured bogus outrage against another US Senator with lies, and libeled another US Senator in a desperate smear campaign.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThere isn't another "News" organization that commits these egregious acts in an abuse of FCC rules.
Between Dinesh D'Souza's new book blaming "liberals" for 9/11 (and expressing considerable sympathy for conservative Islam, to boot) and Fox News' attempts to imply that Obama is a "terrorist sympathizer" it's been a banner week for the right.
Why don't you guys sit next week out, huh? 'Cuz, um, yer not exactly makin' any friends lately ...
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm#60 Doc Hocky
Any attempt to make a valid point during an intelligent debate that resorts to generalizations to assign the faults or assets of a few to the entire group as a whole is asinine and an argument that only a fool, or genius that knows he has lost, would use. Any reference to Mr. Obama's religion and/or comparison to that proclaimed by King George the Dumb has no, repeat no, useful purpose other than to mask the facts of the discussion and spread hate and discontent.
Mr, Obama's religion, KGtD's religion, your religion, and my religion are sacrosanct to the individual. My religion is my religion and mine alone as is the religion indigenous to any other individual. No aspect of that religion as attributed to the generic term "religion" has any value. You can say all sinners or saints are Catholic but all Catholics are not sinners or saints. You can say all terrorists are Muslims but all Muslims are not terrorists. What have you proven other than you are ignorant of saints, sinners, terrorists, Muslims and Catholics. If you choose to reply please remember "No generalization is worth a damn, including this one." Please reply in specifics and I would be happy to consider your response as, I suspect (to avoid the generalization), would most of the commentators here.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI am trying to post a comment but the spam filter "eats" it.
Let's see if it will go through in two parts. Here is the first:
I found a site where you can read the whole article in Insight Magazine without a subscription. Click here:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
January 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmDon't Xians consider themselves glorified by their belief, and acclaim converts for having sense to "see the light" and accept their myths?
Shouldn't these people dwelling on the school Obama was made to attend as a child be praising him for the faith he chose as a man?
If these numbskulls choose to saddle Obama with his experiences as a child, they should accept that our preznit must be tarred as a failure and a drunk...the life he chose until he was 40. They shouldn't be able to have it both ways...but of course that's what they're all about.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmCARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.
Gretchen, you ignorant slut. You were a Miss USA whore, and now you're a Fux news whore. At least you're consistent.
Speaking of blown up, you remind me of the blow up dolls Neosluts use. Is that how you got your job? You're obviously not a journalist. Maybe you were in that sneak vidoe of Steve's. That would explain how you got the job.
Mr. Obama's integrity is not in question; yours is. Maybe Donald Trump could clarify things here. He's more objective than you & your faux news people, and that's not saying much. You make Rosie O'Donnell look like a Saint.
In a moment of insanity, I turned on Sean Insannity going home yesterday. He was explaining to a caller how the Fairness Doctrine could never be enforced, due to the fact the liberal media could never find enough conservatives to match the number of liberals currently on talk radio. Gretchen, this is the kind of dogshit you folks preach. Your day will come. I will stand by and laugh with other rational, fair minded Americans as you & the Dark Side go back into Hell.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmPiddles,
If these numbskulls choose to saddle Obama with his experiences as a child,
Comment by Mr Diddy Wah Diddy — January 19, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
I like to add:
Experiences which he -as a child- could not have possibly chosen because his parents were responsible for his upbringing (obvious to anyone except those bent on smearing an opponent).
This is simply more of the same Islamophobia by wingnuts from wingnutia...
January 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm“We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.â€
To which Gretchen will respond on Monday:
"I was misunderstood. I didn't really mean to make a reference to Obama."
January 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm"Fox Stupid"...next.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmPoor Exley. He's likely suffering from either color allergy or (assuming he's afraid of moslems: Christolysis).
But thats not only what I think is driving him and the noise-makers sick.
Barrack is their exact opposite. Uncorrupt, smart, self-made and a true man. Guys like Exley and his cousins under the Mudroach (or shitroach or whatever) & the Neocons payroll are just some hopeless whimps. Poor souls living on a life machine from their parents and corrupts individuals tip and funding.
Do you think any of these idiots, McCain or Bush could stand to an intelligent man like Barrack? The guy is not a drunkard like your "They hate us" president (I think Smigol doesn't do the "they hate us" thing better than Bush.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmExley like his bloody brothers aren't as 0.0000001/1,000,000 the man Barrack Obama is. And it scare the shit out of them!
Poor Exley. He's likely suffering from either color allergy or (assuming he's afraid of moslems: Christolysis).
But thats not only what I think is driving him and the noise-makers sick.
Barrack is their exact opposite. Uncorrupt, smart, self-made and a true man. Guys like Exley and his cousins under the Mudroach (or shitroach or whatever) & the Neocons payroll are just some hopeless whimps. Poor souls living on a life machine from their parents and corrupts individuals tip and funding.
Do you think any of these idiots, McCain or Bush could stand to an intelligent man like Barrack? The guy is not a drunkard like your "They hate us" president (I think Smigol doesn't do the "they hate us" thing better than Bush.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmExley like his bloody brothers aren't as 0.0000001/1,000,000 the man Barrack Obama is. And it scare the shit out of them!
ZOMG!!!! Did you know he smokes too!?!?! We must stop the evil smoker with the unique heritage!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFox has taken notes from the swift-boaters.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThese people are scum of television news. Gossip mongers freely dispensing lies and innuendoes.
#61....Wayne,
Yes, the word "supposedly" was placed there by me quite deliberately.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm[...] Take this morning’s jihadfest from Fox News: (ThinkProgress) DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa? [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWell, the second part of my post won't "stick". I will try one more time:
The Moderate Voice has a very good analysis of the story. Click here:
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama
They ask "So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?", and they conclude "[...] someone clearly considers them a threat and is out to get and apparently smear them."
The Moonies and the FauxNews crew are bent on smearing both Obama and Sen Clinton.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmA little piece of advise for Exley, Gretchen, the Faux Screw, and GOPpers:
Barrack Obama made it and became a real man, depsite the hardship he faced while he was child. Unlike your weazly president and champion King Bush II, who still needs daddy's help after he'd fucked up the entire country. We are talking zero to hero. Not rich to rot! We are talking leaders. Not an idiot who needed Carl Rove, and Snow to do all his thinking and speeches.
These idiots would have ended up worse than dogs if they had underwent the same hardship like Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmKeep defaming him, it shows us how VERY VERY important he is, and how turkey scared you guys are!
HA! Hillary's pushing this story?! Is Wes Clark still pushing the Kerry Intern Affair story, too? You know, just because a right wing yahoo says something, it doesn't make it true.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI know there isn’t a difference between Dems and Repubs.
Comment by ForTruth — January 19, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
i meant to say this earlier...
that is a right wing talking poing that you keep repeating...
it is a lie... it is meant to discourage you from voting...
please stop repeating that right wing garbage here... please...
January 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmobama gives the impression that his childhood was humble. if this is true, where did the money for all of his education come from? can we follow the money? can we follow the money for his campaign?
January 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOnly some 13 senators have gone on to the Presidency. I don't think Obama, swiftboating or not, would become president.
Fox news has become something of a World News Weekly, and will soon be airing the 'Hillary chooses Bigfoot as a running mate' story. =)
January 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmnorma busic: obama gives the impression that his childhood was humble. if this is true, where did the money for all of his education come from? can we follow the money? can we follow the money for his campaign?
Yeah, it can be traced..... to your goddamned asshole!
January 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI'm not worried about his religion, I am worried about his role as Del in the Crying Game ....
January 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#19, barfly,
Tim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver's wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#86
What is your point? Where is the link between a humble childhood and money for an education? Are you implying that people with a humble childhood should not be allowed a college education? Are you inferring that because he had a humble childhood and money he spent on an education was from an illicit source? Why should you want to follow the money, which I assume is a metaphorical request for an audit of the source of his educational funds? What would you do with the information if the funds were legitimate? Would you do the same if the funds were tainted? Why do you want to follow the money for his campaign? Assuming he is following the same reporting laws as the would-be republican candidates the information is public knowledge. If he is not following the law it is the Government's burden of proof. It is not up to you to convict the man by innuendo. Again, what is your point? If for some reason you suspect Mr. Obama is less than he appears then do your research and present the facts. Do not attempt to smear the man with no basis in fact other than your own ignorance and prejudices. For your information I was the oldest son of a Missouri dirt farmer born in the middle of the depression. About as humble a beginning as was possible in this Country at that time. I have a Masters Degree and have done work on a PHD and I paid for it by earning every cent. The last five years I did at night after working a full time job. If I can do it so can Mr. Obama and whether or not either of us did it is none of your damn business. Especially when it is apparent you want to make it your business only to defame the man. You owe Mr. Obama and all the readers here an apology, provided you can do it with legitimate funding and we can follow the money.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pm#32, Larry,
You are correct that Hill'reh, like her husband and Al Gore, can ALL be bought, which is why I don't trust ANY Clintonista in the whitehouse. They will SAY anything to grab power, and will DO anything to keep it. I would sooner trust a looney-tooney netroot candidate, than any Clintonista.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSteve Doocy is funded by cunts.
Now let him sue.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm[...] After all, the 8 year old could control where he went to go to school. [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmFox is a joke.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThe Democrats in the Congress must demand that FOX News has its broadcast license revoked for slanderous lies and foisting propaganda for the GOP and the Bush Regime. Rupert Murdoch is NOT an American citizen, so he should be deported back to Australia, and have all his financial assets seized by the FBI. FOX News must be closed down and all the fascists like Hannity & O'Reilly looking for employment elsewhere!
January 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pm[...] And those are the most dangerous of all. What prompted this? Oh, just some harmless little speculation on Fox about Barack Obama’s being schooled by terrorists . . . _uacct = "UA-727906-1"; urchinTracker(); [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#97, Jay,
I think it is funny that you are calling Rupert a fascist, while demanding the seizure of all his corporate / personal assets - that is the hallmark of a fascist / communist philosophy / idealogy.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
-When Tim McVeigh was arrested he had a copy of “The Turner Diaries†in his possession. This is a book about a white supremacist group who commit a terrorist act by blowing up FBI Headquarters. The government overreacts to the situation by creating a police state. The group convinces white Protestants that they were under attack by their own government [which was under the control of Jews]. A race, cultural and religious war breaks out and all minorities, Jews, Catholics and Liberal whites are killed leaving behind only white Protestants. This is what Tim McVeigh hoped to achieve.
-I want to see you and your Christian survivalist friends take on a government that has tanks, missiles, biological and chemical weapons among other things.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmLol Hendler > Americans are NO longer going to tolerate fascists like Murdoch, so stop defending him, and we all know you are a fascist too!
January 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm#100, Nat,
Having grown up in a somewhat rural area, I am familiar with the mindset of individuals like McVeigh, and I am certain his motivation was based on the governments heavy-handed actions against its own citizens, regardless of their faith, and not any religious motivation. It takes a LOT to get middle-Americans to rise up against their government, and the attacks on Randy Weaver's wife and child, and the women and children in the religious commune in Waco, was the ONLY catalyst that would bring those people to arms against their own government.
I suspect that book was more an outline of how to take on the feds, and NOT a motivation for it - the nightly news was all that was needed. Back in the '90's, there was a legitimate fear of a "one world government", but that fear has now disappated, as the UN and EU are proving inept and impotent.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#101, Jay,
Obviously, you have NO understanding of the term "fascist", so look it up in "The Book of Isms" 11th edition. I have NO desire to confiscate or limit your ability to create wealth or earn an income. I have NO desire to limit your speech or other liberties.
Read and learn.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#19, barfly,
Tim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Jason -- your ignorance and stupidity is breathtaking -- tell that idiotic founding fathers sob story to the 19 daycare children that were blown to bits by the murdering Xtian McVeigh and his pals -- oh that's right! kinda hard to communicate with the rotting corpses of toddlers isn't it?? Good God you are a sick bastard.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#104, krazeeinjun,
If there was ever a situation that epitomizes the Clintons, it them using the feds to lash out at Randy Weaver's wife and children, and the women and children in the Christian commune in Waco, then run and hide behind the women and children in a daycare center, using them as human shields.
If the Clintons and the feds want to be heavy handed, then they need to be in federal buildings separate from women and children, and leave themselves as open to assault as the common citizens they attack.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmPeople are focusing their anger towards FOX for reporting this story, but their anger is misdirected and should be pointed in the direction of the Clinton camp for making this an issue. Hillary Clinton is a polarizing figure, people either love her or hate her. Now she has given the muslim community a reason to hate her too.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pm#104, krazeeinjun,
Why did you not bother to highlight the heavy handed actions that I listed in that paragraph, and instead, focus on McVeigh's "blowback"? You just don't want to admit the fed's role in these events.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhy don't you say it like it is, the story started at Insight Mag - one of Moon's propaganda outlets. It is intended to fuck our nation's political discourse as all Moon media is intended to do and has been doing for 25 years.
Going after FOX and fools is a waste of time they are on auto pilot like the cult they represent.
Go after Moon, he drives their bus.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmwe REALLY need to encourage this.
also, is there such a thing as a 'yahoobi christian'?
January 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThis is all just a case study in how Fox News viewers in America become so misinformed that they can't make informed decisions. The amazing thing to me is that Fox viewers find out over and over that Fox has made a fool of them and they don't care. Fox viewers evidently have no self-respect.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#108, mdhatter,
You just revealed one of the favorite tactics of the liberal blogger. Whatever label you've been branded with, look for a way to call your opponent the same thing. Libloggers don't bother justifying or defending their positions, they just try to say - you are no better.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmJason,
if McVeigh was trying to get Clinton for his heavy handed action, then he should have targeted the white house. Saying that somehow it was okay for him to blow up the federal building is well sick. Man, I used to think you were okay, but it is clear you are circling the drain.
PS I looked up Del in the crying game. I suspect you meant Dil, and the actor credited in the role was not Barack Obama. Are you trying to claim it was him? or that he looked similar to the actor? Try sometime if you have questions about movies.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#109, bluedog,
Yeah, that's why 14 of the 15 top cable shows are on the Fox News channel. They are the most popular cable channel, and still growing. Usually, in a free market, that means there would normally be many people trying to copy their content. Instead, libs have spent a lot of money trying to replicate the look (even hiring away a Fox News correspondant), but they have all failed to copy their content.
May all Fox News adversaries sink their cash into competing networks with content that people already get for free from the ABC, NBC and CBS, so that Fox continues to increase in market share, and their adversaries go broke.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHaving grown up in a somewhat rural area, I am familiar with the mindset of individuals like McVeigh, and I am certain his motivation was based on the governments heavy-handed actions against its own citizens, regardless of their faith, and not any religious motivation. It takes a LOT to get middle-Americans to rise up against their government, and the attacks on Randy Weaver’s wife and child, and the women and children in the religious commune in Waco, was the ONLY catalyst that would bring those people to arms against their own government.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Tim McVeigh was racist scum who wanted to rid the U.S. of all minority groups and liberal whites. The heavy handed tactics argument (excuse) claimed by McVeigh and his supporters is what they use to rationalize their insane beliefs.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#112, Krazny,
It is no more OK for Tim McVeigh to blow up the feds in OK, than for the feds to sniper kill Randy Weavers wife and new-born infant, and drive tanks into the buildings where women and children eat and sleep. I am just saying that one action naturally causes the other, as was the founding father's intention by the way they framed the US constitution.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmKrazny,
JMH was outed on his ignorance regarding "The Crying Game" last week, he's just taking it for a re-run. He's once again showing us exactly what a racist boor he is.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmsorry link to IMDB didn't work here it is:
http://www.imdb.com/
January 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmOne point you missed as well. McVeigh was an extremist. to claim he was somehow part of middle America is goofy. If the actions at Waco, and Ruby Ridge would truly have caused the middle class to rise up, then they would have. Instead you got a freak who decided to kill alot of innocent people.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pm#113, Nat,
Liberal whites reinforce the non-viable behaviours of their constituents, which makes our whole society less viable, and eventually, non-viable. Hopefully, conservatives will work harder to thwart white liberals further efforts to continue these bad policies.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#117, Krazny,
Yes, McVeigh was an extremest, so they tend to be the first to respond with the most radical methods. As it turns out, Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno were very chastined in subsequent actions, and not so cavalier. No more Waco's ....
January 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmYeah, that’s why 14 of the 15 top cable shows are on the Fox News channel.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
None of the Cable News Channels really have an audience. Most people get their news from their local affiliate.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThinkProgress authors and editors should be honest with their readers and attribute the source of this information not to Fox News (the messenger).
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I am just saying that one action naturally causes the other, as was the founding father’s intention by the way they framed the US constitution.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
No wonder we are where we are. When people like Mr. Hendler get control, all they can think of doing is attacking anyone who doesn't toe the line. I don't believe the founding fathers ever meant for either the fed to do what they did in Waco, or would have found the murder of women and children at the Oklahoma Federal building to somehow be okay. When we fought the revolution, we fought british troops. we didn't target british citizens. You are a sick, sick man.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAlready debunked mike, thank you for playing, please come again. You may want to read through the thread, before posting your talking point from RNC central.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmLiberal whites reinforce the non-viable behaviours of their constituents, which makes our whole society less viable, and eventually, non-viable. Hopefully, conservatives will work harder to thwart white liberals further efforts to continue these bad policies.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
-So you agree with McVeigh’s vision.
-Liberals brought us the United States of America. If you want to live in a conservative society, move to Saudi Arabia.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmThinkProgress authors and editors should be honest with their readers and attribute the source of this information not to Fox News (the messenger).
Insight is owned by Rev. Moon. Do you think that gives it more credibility -- or less?
Moon has been critical of the Clinton's since they came on the national stage.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmMike,
That claim has already been debunked.
Furthermore, the fact that Fox didn't check their facts speaks volumes about their integrity and honesty -or lack tereof.
The Moderate Voice and Hot Air have good analysis of the story. Click here:
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama
And here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/18/report-hillary-preparing-to-play-the-muslim-card-on-obama/
January 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYes, McVeigh was an extremest, so they tend to be the first to respond with the most radical methods. As it turns out, Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno were very chastined in subsequent actions, and not so cavalier. No more Waco’s ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — January 19, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
McVeigh wanted to rid the world of all minorities and liberal whites (something only Hitler and his ilk and apparently you would admire). His behavior (blowing up a building) goes beyond extremism.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Ha, Ha, Ha.
You do realize you've just debunked yourself, right? This is, I believe, the first instance of someone debunking their assertion before they actually made it! Congratulations on a new first in wingnut trollery!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pm"They will SAY anything to grab power, and will DO anything to keep it."
Jason, that's sounds a whole heck of a lot like the current administration. But your too full of yourself to see that.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHendler is a perfect poster child for the average Fox News fan. Uninformed, simple-minded, under multiple illusions, and damn proud of it; purposely and unabashedly wrong-headed about a variety of issues; confused about what the issues really are... he is suffering from Fox News Delusionary Syndrome (FNDS). Millions of Americans suffer from FNDS. We've got to find a cure.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmHendler says, McVey "bombed the feds" because of things the feds did. See, this is a great example of FNDS. First, McVey bombed and killed 167 people, not "the feds." Secondly, Hendler excuses an act of mass murder because of what he thinks the VICTIMS did. Hey Hendler, I thought you wingnuts were into "victims' rights."
Fox News Delusionary Syndrome is a terrible disease. We should pity those with FNDS.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmBarfly, good catch but Jason will only tell you that the tanks and snipers were the Feds tanks and snipers and will ignore the fact that those situations wouldn't have occurred if RELIGION wasn't involved. It's quite easy to see Jason's logic - simply ignore facts, twist a little, blame Clinton and don't forget to mention that citizens have a right to bare arms.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmMillions of Americans suffer from FNDS. We’ve got to find a cure.
Comment by Bluedog49
But until we do, there's always Massengill's. Now, with a new, contoured tip!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe only "misinformed" people here are apparently the readers of this site. FOX is smearing; the Dems' own are. What a bunch of yahoos.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYikes, And to claim that religion (Koresh) didn't play any part is blithely balmy.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmHere's an example of how Fox News Delusionary Syndrome works: Tim McVey kills 167 people -- a person with FNDS says the government's policies made him do it. 19 hijackers kill 3000 people -- government policies have nothing to do with it; they did it because they "hate freedom."
The person suffering from FNDS is hoplessly confused and needs help badly.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYAY! it's another JASON M. HINTLER show!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmRob presents another sad example of someone with FNDS. Allegedly, some on Clinton's team are asking questions about Obama's background. Fox broadcasts this to millions of its viewers and makes some phony news out of it, but somehow, it's the Dems who are to blame, not Fox news. You see, FNDS causes people to lose whatever power of critical thinking they may have had. It's very sad.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThe only “misinformed†people here are apparently the readers of this site
When wingnut feel like sharing, it is.
Rob, it reads like a gossip column; no-one's on record, not even the author! It's a hit piece on both Clinton and Obama, from a notoriously unreliable, and biased source.
This is your "proof?"
January 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmAllegedly, some on Clinton’s team are asking questions about Obama’s background
Speaking exclusively to a right wing reporter, from a Moonie-owned outlet? What's wrong with this picture?
January 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmHendler loves to come here and shoot his foot for us.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pm[...] Fear of a black president [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pmRob demonstrates another trait of the unfortunate person with FNDS: if the info is about a Democrat, a gossip column will do. If you're trying to make the claim that Bush lied us into a shooting war, you're going to have to come up with some very solid evidence. Poor Rob.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pm"Heritage Foundation" thanks! Wow people have been very accomodating giving us great examples of Fox News Delusionary Syndrome and you have not disappointed us. You give us a classic example of someone unable to think critically. What you are doing is equating "popularity" with funding. Yes, Heritage, right-wing think tanks are much more well funded than left-wing think tanks. Only a very confused person, someone possibly suffering from FNDS, would be silly enough to equate funding with popularity.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHeritage Foundation
Only a partisan pinhead would post that here and expect not to get called on it. You guys have been funded by wingnut billionaires since the late seventies, squeezing out loopy policy, platforms, and rhetoric, but in wingnut candyland, competence is for saps -- you can get on the conservative breadline and spout all sorts of unworkable concepts without fear of unemployment. You hot-house orchids would perish in the real world; and now, you can go back to polishing Bolton's Brogans.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pmOf the top ten think tanks, none were listed as “progressive†by FAIR, while five were listed as “conservative†or “conservative/libertarian.â€
Comment by Heritage Foundation — January 19, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Thanks for helping us put to rest the notion that the US media has a liberal bias.
From your own post, it is clear the media has an overall conservative slant and they get their "expert" opinion primarily from conservative-leaning sources.
Another myth debunked. All in day's work.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSorry that I missed the Three Stooges on FoxSnooze and Friends this morning. Sounds like they really "jumped the shark" again. They are actually much like GDumbya -- just when you think they have shown the absolute extreme depths of their ignorance and bias, they uncork another one even dumber than before.
This afternoon, John "Hairspray" Gibson is suggesting that Hillary's campaign staff floated the Obama story and decrying the dirty politics of it all. ROTFLMAO. Where was Hairspray when Kerry was SmearBoated or Max Clelland was ambushed or when McCain was filleted by Karl Rove and Co.?
The gasbaggery of FoxSnooze is palpable.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pmOne thing I think heritage foundation missed, who has more think tanks, means zilch in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't prove anything. Yippie the conservative who are always complaining about how liberals are run by the east coast elite, have more elite thinking up and defining policy.
Gotta make you wonder sometimes.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:03 pmDidn't take long for election 2008 to go to the gutter, did it??
January 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmhttp://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com
I can't believe how low Fox news will stoop. This is up there with one of the anchors months back saying he left Mexico and would not vacation there again because the street children tried to sell him Chiclets.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmobama is a member of UCC. I live very close to a United Church of Christ - very LEFT wing.....talk about a group with sympathy for the enemy!! Come to think of it, there are alot of Muslims I know who I would rather have as President than Obama. Remember, Hillary still has to walk her tightrope through the nomination process - but she'll come out swinging (with Bill and her $$$ in tow). She will make a fine nominee for the Dem party......
January 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHeritage Foundation's strange thinking can be explained by FNDS. FNDS probably had something to do with the fact that he completely missed the point of the FAIR story. The point was that right-wing think tanks enjoy far more funding than left-wing think tanks. Of course, someone with Fox News Delusionary Syndrome would get this all wrong. These unfortunate people simply have a hard time thinking.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThe meds must be getting to you MA, that wasn't even close to a normal rant. I guess the asylum finally upped your dosage. What I don't get is why you spend your free time, hating people here, when you could go to basket weaving, or just drool as you watch the TV?
January 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pm[...] More here. [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pmJason, I've read your comments over the past few months and I generally think you are well intentioned.
Here, however, I can't escape the conclusion that you are rationalizing McVeigh's actions. That's totally unacceptable, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for defending that scumbag - who, by the way, was such a coward he wouldn't even testify in his own defense, leaving folks like you to defend him after his death. Nice.
And, I find it hard to believe you really want to align yourself with folks like David Koresh. You describe his Waco compound as a "Christian" community, as if it were just another church day camp. That animal is the one person primarily responsible for the horrible deaths of women and children in Waco - a fact that was established beyond doubt several years ago, despite the constant noise from the right.
And as far as Randy Weaver goes, yes, the FBI screwed up big time. Of course, he was a member of a violent racist group that actively discussed the over throw of the U.S. government; and, of course, he told a government informant that he could supply illegal sawed off shotguns to people interested in the violent overthrow of the U.S. government ... but that doesn't justify killing his wife and kid.
Now, just imagine if he was of Arab descent, or, God forbid, an actual Muslim. Would you still be crying over the death of his wife and child? I wonder...
But, defending McVeigh and Koresh is just beyond the pale, Jason. You ought to know better.
Oh, and one last thing, Jason ... you're so concerned about the federal government's abuses of power that you would actually rationalize McVeigh's actions, but let me ask you this: How do you feel about the fact that there are literally thousands of violent, racist skinheads in the U.S. military right now, many of them getting hardcore combat training over in Iraq, and they are welll connected and in constant communication with one another? How do you feel about the fact that all those violent, racist skinheads will be coming home to the U.S., rejoining their violent skinhead groups, ready to share what they've learned courtesy of the U.S. military - especially, ready to share what they know about urban combat from first hand experience - once this war is over? You think McVeigh was just some lone wolf who was pissed off at evil Bill Clinton and evil Janet Reno? Well, maybe you're right. But these folks aren't lone wolves, and they aren't looking to settle a score with the federal government. They are interested in starting a race war.
So, we'll see how you manage to rationalize their actions down the road. But in the meantime, spare me the poor Randy Weaver, poor David Koresh, poor Tim McVeigh garbage ...
Cheers!
January 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pmDavid Koresh was guilty of the very thing, that right wingers explain away when it comes to the deaths of non-combatants. How many times did we hear about how Isreal has no choice, but to drop bombs into populated neighborhoods, because the terrorists are using the civilian populations for cover? Koresh did the same thing hiding behind the women and children in his compound. If I remember, Koresh started the siege, when he and his followers fire upon ATF agents. Not exactly your peaceful Christians.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:46 pmNice $wiftboating, cowards.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAmerica has truly become her own worst nightmare.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:55 pmMA, you write that Hillary has a lot of money to run as if it's a bad thing. George Bush had more money to run than any candidate in history. Did you think that was a bad thing?
January 19th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI've just notices that Fox News is actually a comedy channel that people, somehow, take seriously.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI think Hillary is and will be behind most of the bad news you hear about Obama. He's her biggest challenger and she is behind in the polls in many places. She can tar and feather him via FoxNews or other rightwing media because the angry left will always blame it on whomever they hate the most at the time.
The only problem is that if the dem voters think it's FNC out to swiftboat Obama, the backlash could go in Obama's favor.
Either way, nothing tells you more about the superficial nature of the democratic party than Obama. I bet 90% of those who are fawning over him now don't know ONE piece of legislation he's ever offered or ONE accomplishment he has as a Senator.
Obama is a symbol, nothing more. I've never seen so much adulation for a man ALL of us know so little about.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:05 pmOh, I see, we now have a new value here. Psychology experts from the troll sector. F%%K me to tears...
January 19th, 2007 at 7:06 pmI’ve never seen so much adulation for a man ALL of us know so little about.
Comment by pdarnold — January 19, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
W was an near unknown in the 2000 election. didn't stop the right from acting like he was the second coming of Ronnie. I think however you are missing the point about Obama. He represents a comparatively youthful, and fresh face to politics. Unlike Hillary, or McCain, or Edwards he is a relative newcomer.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pm# 86 - Ms. Norma Busic; your comment: "obama gives the impression that his childhood was humble. if this is true, where did the money for all of his education come from? can we follow the money? can we follow the money for his campaign?" is scary....
Have you ever heard of Scholarships!? Did you know that Barack just paid of School Loans just 3 years ago, years after graduating Magna Cum Laude from Harvard and also from Columbia University?
Trust me he's not aristocratic stock. Self-Made all the way!!
January 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmpdarnold: "Obama is a symbol, nothing more. I’ve never seen so much adulation for a man ALL of us know so little about."
That's pretty funny coming from a Bush cultist.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:14 pmTurn it into a positive. Point out that because of his background he is well-qualified to deal with the Muslim world and would have credibility in his dealings with Muslim countries.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pmBush cultists worship a guy who amassed the largest campaign treasury in history... and they're deeply troubled by the money Obama has borrowed to go to college. This is the essence of Fox News Delusional Syndrome.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pmpdarnold: "Either way, nothing tells you more about the superficial nature of the democratic party than Obama."
Sure, cultist, the Dems are so superficial that all they seem to be concerned with in congress is passing new legislation and providing oversite. No golf, no hitting on pages and no sex trips to the Northern Marianas -- very superficial.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI tried to post a link to the Moderate Voice but the spam filter blocked it.
Here is a link to a site called memeorandum, that has links to the Insight Magazine story, the Moderate Voice, and Hot Air -both the Voice and Hot Air have analysis on the story and debunk the Insight's "scoop".
Let's see if it will go through this time: http://www.memeorandum.com/070118/p91
January 19th, 2007 at 7:21 pmWow, republiscums pulling Joseph McCarthy tactics to smear Obama. They must be really afraid of him.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWhat do You Think Preacher have Been Saying for 50 Years..?
January 19th, 2007 at 7:46 pmrachel kinnardi,
Please add me to your list.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmNever in my life have I wanted to do real, physical harm to a set of television "journalists." I'm not the violent sort by nature, but anyone that makes a living lying to the American public, people who are generally good but easily swayed, needs to be severely reprimanded.
Barack Obama is more than a good speaker, capable politician, and honest man. He votes with his heart and loves American soldiers. He isn't a slave to lobbyists or big business. He represents the middle class American.
Please don't take anyone's word for it. This is what Fox News wants you to do. They want you in the "who are you going to believe? Me or him?" mentality. Leave Digg, head to the library, pick up both of Obama's books. Google him, check out his voting record at http://www.ontheissues.org . You probably have a lot to do and might not have time to head to the library.
If that's the case, research him online. It really takes five minutes. Do stay away from the following partisan blogs, which are nothing less than absolutely shitty: Little Green Footballs, The Huffington Post, The Daily KOS, Michelle Malkin, Debbie Schlussel, HotAir.com, Thinkprogress, Townhall.com, anything having to do with Michael Moore, anything having to do with Anne Coulter.
The problem with these sites, other than their poor writing and even worse research skill, is that they try hard to push an agenda on the readers. I would check out op-eds from credible newspapers which are available electronically. (Chronicle, NY Times, WaPo, Chicago Sun-Times, Reuters, AP, BBC, etc. etc.) While all opinion editorials push an agenda, these don't try and sound nonpartisan. As an added bonus, most of these writers went to school for journalism, so you won't find a lot of snark in their comments.
It takes as little as ten minutes to find a few quality sites to read up on. Then form your opinion on Obama. Again, don't take my word for it, and certainly don't listen to Fox News. Educate yourself and form your own opinion.
Obama's contributions and love for man and country speak for themselves.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by rachel kinnardi — January 19, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Can you please add me to your list? Please? Pretty please?
January 19th, 2007 at 8:11 pmobamas a joke and if you cant see it your blind. Good thing hillary and him are going to run together. You poor blind liberals would get it no matter who won. Pelosi burnt you and you will get burned again. There all the same . Notice that yet?
January 19th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI am trying very hard to maintain my composure after watching this segment, these guys have reached a new low for needlessly paranoid white people......and I say this as a white person. It's really only a matter of time before they begin running stories entitled: "Black people - Satan's foot-shoulders?". Come on and grow up, Fox, you guys aren't in eighth grade any longer.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:23 pm#156, Dave,
If Randy Weaver was Arab, than Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno wouldn't have ordered the feds to pull the trigger, but Christian white males are always fair game. If you believe that I wouldn't sympathize with the killing of a man's wife and newborn, because of his race, then you haven't learned anything from what I've posted all these months.
I am NOT condoning McVeigh's actions, anymore than I am condoning the feds actions. Moreover, David Koresh frequently went into town, where he could be taken down by the feds with no risk to his parishioners, but, the feds decided to conduct a full scale raid with women and children inside. Regardless of Koresh's behaviour, the fed's decision to go in like Rambo is inexcusable.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:23 pmrachel,
Welcome to TP, there are good debates now and again. Unfortunately, they don't post all pertinent news stories, so one is forced to mention them in the thinkfast section, or whatever the latest thread is with few posts.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:28 pmOsama Obama ... Dems are very very foolish.
Stick it to the rich, til the rich are no more.
Stick it to the corporations, til they're gone too.
Stick it to the white men, because they're dominant evil pigs.
Stick it to the man.
Down with capitalism, and the military, and religion and patriotism.
Down with America.
Osama Obama ... he and Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad and fat Teddy Kennedy can dance on the grave of what was once a great nation...lost to the triumph of mediocre minds and foolish foolish atheists.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:29 pmLol Hendler > fascists love the elite to make money. Fascism is the mating of government with big business. I suggest you look up the real definition.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:34 pmwadda lol whatever floats your boat.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:35 pmSee all liberals do is hop on websites and bitch. Give it up. Get a life!
January 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pmcuda- how exactly is Obama a joke? His resume shows that he is far more qualified for the job than the current occupant of the WH. From his education background to his life long devotion to public service. He may be fairly recent to the national scene but, as pointed out earlier, Bush had zero experience in government or public service prior to the stint as the t'executin' guvner.
You not liking Obama does not make him a joke.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:40 pm#180, Jay,
Check your facts, when the government starts setting prices and dictating the distribution of / directing resources, or outright seizing control of corporate assets for their own uses, then that is fascism / communism - you can look it up in the "Book of Isms" 11th Edition.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:41 pmrachel kinnardi – that was an awesome post. You may have missed a few; but the ones you named are supreme idiots.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:42 pm#183, Sean,
George W. Bush was twice elected governor of Texas and an oil executive, so he has a better resume than ANY legislator in this country, much more over Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:44 pmJason- Yes twice elected governor of a state where the governor really doesn't have a lot to do...that's all he has for public service. His failures as an oil executive aren't a positive in my review of his resume.
As for Obama, his dedication to helping people and his self reliance (as opposed to W running to daddy every time he messed up) give him a stronger argument in my opinion.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:50 pm# 186 you amaze me with your ignorant comments. If you really knew George W. Bush's entrepreneurial history you would know that he was 3 times a failed executive (while tryin to follow Daddy"s footsteps) and drove his companies into the ground. Also the Governor of Texas is merely a figure head in the Texan Constitution. He made his money by investing borrowed money (from daddy's friends) into the Texas Rangers. George W. Bush otherwise known as Dingbat has nothing on Barack Obama.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:54 pm#187, Sean,
You can't help anyone without real experience as an executive - either in corporate life or civic duty. Texas is a state that is prominent in the industries of energy, high tech and agriculture, so that is an excellent state from which to become President of the United States - as is CA, FL and NY.
I would rather teach someone to fish, you would rather have your photo taken giving someone a fish that someone else caught - typical liberal.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pmyou amaze me with your ignorant comments.
Comment by unknown — January 19, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
You ain't see nothin' yet.
That was just the tip of the iceberg. Mr. Hendler is usually wrong about pretty much every subject he decides to comment on.
Like George Bush's "ability" as an oil executive. What a joke.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pmHendler > stop trying to prop up Bush on here > he is a certified idiot!
January 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pm#188, unknown,
I repeat, dubya was twice, that's right, twice elected governor of Texas.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:59 pmWow, No wonder nothing gets done. So much anger, so much fear. If both sides are wrong
January 19th, 2007 at 8:59 pmthere is no middle. If both sides are right there is no peace. One side must ultimately win. Which side will you choose? and what will your legacy be?
Righteousness, Hate, Envy, Jealousy, Greed, kindness ?
All you get is about sixty five good spins around the sun.
Sean – "Yes twice elected governor of a state where the governor really doesn’t have a lot to do…" Are you kidding? How would you know? What state have you governed? That's just such a stupid statement.
Bush bad. Obama good. Why don't you stick to that Mr. Governor?
January 19th, 2007 at 9:00 pm#193, cheesedog7,
I like that post.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:01 pmDid anyone actually listen and understand the things Sen. Obama said in his 2004 keynote address. Seems like it went over the heads of many.
If this boobcast by Fox is an accurate reflection of the thoughts, opinions and attitudes of America... then indeed, woe is America.
I guess Sen. Obama is wrong, there really is no hope!
good luck
January 19th, 2007 at 9:05 pm# 192, I guess Texans were suckered then eh ;)
January 19th, 2007 at 9:07 pm[...] OBAMA SMEARED AS FORMER MADRASSA STUDENT (You can watch the Fox News segment here too.) [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pm198. rachel – My favorite is Unbelievable. Shouldn't he be at the top of the list?
January 19th, 2007 at 9:16 pm*Cross post from Digg*
I just want to point something out..
Madrassa is Arabic for school. As in, "Get up, it's time to go to madrassa," or "How was madrassa today?" It does NOT mean "political and idealogical training ground for terrorists."
I hate you Fox News.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:20 pmrachel – Sorry. I see.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:21 pmGlen Beck Just spoke out against this story and critisized both FOX News and whomever created this Jorgon. Seems like there are still a few pragmatic conservatives around....
January 19th, 2007 at 9:22 pmMurdoch is only reporting facts. Isn't that what the media is suppose to do? I personally would never vote for anyone who had a Muslim upbringing. Teach your children as they are young, they may stray but, they will never depart from it. Electing someone with a Muslim background is the first step to electing a practicing Muslim. Our Democracy and life as we know it will be over! I am not concerned, it will never happen in my lifetime. The mere fact it is even being considered is a sign that future generations may elect one. In spite of the fact that Obama was raised Muslim, what about his lack of experience? Is someone qualified to be the CEO of the worlds largest corporation and commander and chief of the Worlds more powerfull Country, with only 2 years experience ? I have faith in the God given common sense of the American people, not to let that happen.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:31 pmARGH!!! That's horrible! This man has seen so much of the human condition and shares such honesty and good will with his fellow Americans and this is how he is repaid?? This country doesn't deserve men like this anymore.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWahabhists! Funded by Saudis! Those are Bush's kissin cousins.
So what's the problem Fox?
And Glenn Beck raises a concern?
So are we to make of this a growing split amongst the political-gangster-elites who bask in the glow of any low-life ruler who can screw his own people out of all their resources and wages.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:43 pmThis is for you Jason Hendler:
The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism by Dr. Lawrence Britt.
1) Powerful And Continueing Nationalism.
2) Disdain For The Recognition Of Human Rights.
3) Identification Of Enemies/Scapgoats As a Unifying Cause.
4) Supremacy Of The Military.
5) Rampant Sexism.
6) Controlled Mass Media.
7) Obsession With National Security.
8) Religion And Government Intertwined.
9) Corporate Power Is Protected.
10) Labor Power Is Suppressed.
11) Disdain For Intellectuals And The Arts.
12) Obsession With Crimes And Punishment.
13) Rampant Cronyism And Corruption.
14) Fraudulent Elections
(Note: all 14 characteristics exhibited by Bush Regime.)
"Fascist governments are often closely associated with large corporations ... Modern fascism is often called Corporatism."
(From http://www.naiadonline)
Fascism: "A philosophy or system that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerant nationalism."
January 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pm(American Heritage Dictionary)
Fox must be following the WH memo that says it's ok to denigrate Saudis and Wahabhism in Indonesia, but not in Saudi ARabia, or Iraq.
The memo strictly proscribes against even mentioning Saudis, Wahabhism and the Sunni in Iraq, in the same paragraph. All insurgency activity must be implied to be Shiite related.
Glenn Beck hasn't received that memo yet.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI would vote for him, Obama is a man with integerty, he acknowlaged the Armenian Genocide, the first genocide of the 20th century, where 1.5 million CHRISTIAN armenians perished at the hands of the ottoman turks. Unlike BUSH the "USE CHRISTIANITY TO GET VOTES AND NOT PRACTICE ANY CHRISTIAN VALUES".
January 19th, 2007 at 9:58 pmRuby Ridge = August 1992.
Bill Clinton elected President = November 1992.
Janet Reno confirmed AG = March 1993.
Jason (176, multiple), tell us again how "the Clintons" and Janet Reno are responsible for the death of Randy Weaver's wife and child in August of 1992?
And Dana (205), Minneapolis elected a "practicing Muslim." Should I go wait in the bunker?
January 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pmIt's too bad Obama doesn't stand for something other than vague mumblings about doing the right thing. As they used to say "Where's the beef?" I ask.
"Obama is known for choosing his words very carefully. His admirers say that’s a sign of his conscientious nature, that he doesn’t want to inadvertently say the wrong thing, to speak irresponsibly. The truth is, Obama is determined to say next to nothing substantive at all, unless it is designed to position himself in some mellow region between opposing forces."
January 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pmhttp://www.counterpunch.org/ford01192007.html
This musta been a Rove blast-fax: Laura "War Whore" Ingraham also mention the INSIGHT article on her radio show.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:25 pmGlenn Beck must not be on the ROve fax DL. Or maybe Glenn is holding out for a bigger fee.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:29 pm“financed by Saudisâ€...but we LOVE the Saudis..The Decider said so. They are our allies in the War On Terror!
January 19th, 2007 at 10:30 pm[...] Obama is just the latest victim of this type of ignorant media attack and it will not stop until all citizens of the US realize that the world is bigger than their back yard and their next-door neighbor. People have different ideas and beliefs and that is a good thing, only the insecure and cowardly seek to shut them out without trying to understand them first.read more | digg story [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 10:36 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
If Randy Weaver was Arab, than Bubba Clinton and Janet Reno wouldn’t have ordered the feds to pull the trigger, but Christian white males are always fair game.
Hendler scores a two-fer. Contradicting himself twice in the same thread! Bravo.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:39 pmI want to inform the people who may have been misdirected by the word Madrasa, and the context it was placed in was entirely misleading and discriminatory. Almost all people in North Africa go to a madrasa, which in Arabic means "school". In school they learn to read the Koran. This begins early in life (kindergarten age), long before these people are able to decide what religion they will be. After they complete madrasa, then they go onto other studies, only if the family can afford-madrasa is normally free schooling. This is a very customary and cultural thing to do in North African countries. To over look this fact is both ethnocentric and ignorant. FOX NEWS needs to quit propagating hate toward cultures it is not prepared to talk about. This is not responsible media.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:43 pm[...] Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist This morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa†school as a 6-year-old child. [...]
January 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pmTim McVeigh bombed the Feds in OK, because they used tanks against a Christian commune in Waco, TX, and snipers against Randy Weaver’s wife and child. No part of that was based on religion, and all of it was based on the heavy handedness of the Feds under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. It is why the founding fathers gave its citizens the right to bear arms.
J Hendler seems to assert that the OK bombing comes under the heading of the right to bear arms.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:47 pm4) Barfly
Rachael
Aw Rache! And after I stuck up for you. I would think if you were going to stab me in the back like that, you'd at least make me number 2.
Anyway, who cares? Just as long as you stop posting that crappy keystroke "art," I'll ignore you. Your sophomoric intellect bores me.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:47 pmHendler wrote that? What a dolt.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:50 pmYou should really read "Dreams of My Father" and then restate your story with the real facts, straight from the man himself. Thanks.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pmOh, and if everyone hasn't yet guessed, Rachael and Mike in SF are the same person. He only appears in the thread after Rachael's post. She's just pissed because I outed many of her aliases (including Angie, in Georgia) the other night. So, 'nuff said, about the meta-troll.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pmI just went thru and read some of JMH's manifesto. I'll defend his right to say what he wants but I'll also gladly say how off your rocker you are Jason.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI want to point out the arguement made by FOX NEWS is both a fallacy and ethnocentric. A fallacy for degrading a man for attending a school based on his father's wishes and based on the culture of his family. And ethnocentric for not educating themselves on what a madrassa is. Madrassa in Arabic means "school". This is where children of kindergarten age go to learn to read the Koran, a custom that is ages old in many African countries. This is education that is free to the people. Some have the oppurtunity to seek education beyond the madrassa. Most opting to complete high school in hopes of entering into college.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pmI write this because this excerpt of a FOX NEWS broadcast is not responsible media. This is propagating hate toward people whom American's rarely know anything about. This should not be tolerated in media. I'm personally sick of it.
It's not just Faux News that is trying to smear him. Today a friend with a Ph.D. in history, who likes Obama, forwarded me for my reference an e-mail he received from one of his former high school classmates that goes through the same smear of the junior Illinios Senator as a covert Muslim. I gather such a chain e-mail letter is now going around.
A few months ago I received a chain e-mail letter smearing Hillary. I am not even a great admirer of Senator Clinton, but I found it offensive and also recognized a number of lies in it, one of them being the tale started by NewsMax that she had refused to meet the Gold Star Mothers when they tried to visit her Senate office. In reality, the group had dropped by without an appointment on a day when Senator Clinton was not in her office. She met them at a later date, and the Mothers also asked NewsMax to correct the story. Hillary also has an A or A- rating from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America for her support of matters of concern to vets and military people. (Most GOP Senators got Ds or Fs.)
As for Hendler's sick joke about Barack Obama as "Del"(SIC) in the "Crying Grame," I already took him to task for it and also corrected the spelling of the Dil character's name. He simply can't give up this stupid racist, sexist joke nor can he get the spelling straight.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pmBTW, Jason, even if Obama had actually played Dil in that movie, that would have been acting--not reality. Why aren't you concerned at all on how gay escort and phony journalist Jeff Gannon/James Guckert managed to visit the White House even on days when there were no press conferences?
The story is being published by other news sources and credited to the investigative work done by the Clinton campaign organization. Remember who benefits by removing Obama from gaining the Democratic Party nomination.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pmlora - see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
look familiar? be sure to pass it along...
January 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pmIt's been awhiled since the name Guckert was mentioned. Ah yes 8 inches and cut and a daily White House press pass to boot. Family values I tell ya.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:19 pm#154 - "The meds must be getting to you MA, that wasn’t even close to a normal rant. I guess the asylum finally upped your dosage. What I don’t get is why you spend your free time, hating people here, when you could go to basket weaving, or just drool as you watch the TV?"
Comment by Krazny
******Kraz - I don't hate anybody here at TP - I do my bit of community service with my participation.....You know how boring this place would be without trolls???
The good news....your ex-wife said since you stopped beating her - she's drooling less......
Toooodles.....
January 19th, 2007 at 11:25 pm"MA, you write that Hillary has a lot of money to run as if it’s a bad thing. George Bush had more money to run than any candidate in history. Did you think that was a bad thing?" Comment by Blue49
******No, BluePuPpy - I write that Hillary has alot of money like it's a FACT.....I was glad to contribute as much as I could to the Presidents campaign......so you might brilliantly dedeuce that I thought GWB having a boatload of money to run against Senator Heinz was a GOOD thing......
Goooodnight, Puppy.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThis is exactly why I don't watch Fox News. And, never will. Talk about audacity. When will the commercials showing him soliciting a white woman prostitute start. Our current president did cocaine; seems to be exceptable when the "right" person does it. The comments about the fact that he was "sent" to a Muslim school. Well, he was. Please tell me how many of us were making informed decisions about what school our kindergarten class was at. This is so sickening. Well, when they start attacking you with twisted stories, they are afraid of you.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:32 pmThey obviously know nothing about Islam. Madrassa by definition means 'school' in Arabic. So him saying that he went to a Muslim school is factually correct in English. Also, Wahabism, while promoted by the Saudi's has not gained significant traction in Indonesia while it has in other places, showing once again that not all Muslims are the same. Further, when one looks at the doctrine of Wahabism as instituted by it's founder Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab explicitly states that those who kill innocents in promoting Islam are violating Allah's will. Meaning that Osama bin Laden and others have basically grabbed a copy of the Koran and picked a few passages from it to support their point of view and they have been labeled Wahabists by the West as that is the best labeling the West can do. Intellectual laziness.
This yet again profoundly shows how our involvement in Iraq and our attempts to understand the Middle East will ultimately fail, because a culture that cannot remember what it had for lunch the day before will never comprehend a culture where history means everything.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:43 pmLooks like the republicans are busy inventing reality again. Looks like war.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:56 pmYou have got to be kidding me.. He wasn't even seriously intrested in both the magrassa and the catholic school. Now their saying that he's in lieu with terrorism.. This just goes to show you how braindead the media is.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAdam - I think you'll find that Hillary is steering the swiftboat straight at Obama....Shocking I know!
January 20th, 2007 at 12:01 amThe good news….your ex-wife said since you stopped beating her - she’s drooling less……
Toooodles…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 19, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Hmm must have hit a nerve somwhere. Say hi to the rest of the funny farm MA.
January 20th, 2007 at 12:08 am[...] The latest wingnut hit job on Barack Obama is a two-pronged attack. First, it tries to paint Senator Obama as a Muslim (i.e., "terrorist" ) who cannot be trusted. Second, and more subtly, by forcing the Senator and most thinking people to point out that the Senator is not in fact a Muslim, it leaves the implication that being Muslim is something to be feared. This second line of attack is the subject of this post. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 12:11 amI never knew there were so many left wing traitors to be found in one place. May you ALL ride a building down sans elevator.
January 20th, 2007 at 12:59 am"I know there isn’t a difference between Dems and Repubs. Thats my big rant for today.
Comment by ForTruth — January 19, 2007 @ 1:32 pm"
Even though I stopped reading the comments around #50, I'd bet money this is the only logical bit of text on the entire page that my browser is currently displaying.
Just as Fox (Eff-Oh-Ecks) News is nothing but morons spewing their brand of retardation, this post and 237 of the current 238 comments are nothing but morons spewing their brand of retardation.
It's not the "right wing" or the left wing that is destroying this country. It's the blatant hatred everyone seems to display for people who fall into a different category than them. Racist, Xenophobes, and you, yes you, in all your self-righteous, pseudo-intellectual glory included.
But anyway, I know this post is going to get lost as all my comments do, so I'll go back to wearing my "Punch Me In The Butthole" sign and lurk more.
Oh, and look up how to pronounce Faux.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:03 amIt is sad that someone is so dumb to literally imagine that attending school in a madrassa is a proof of conversion to Islam. Does that mean all those who go to Catholic schools are Catholics? I bet every religion or church would be building schools.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:17 amThe simple thing is that: when the Fox channel had nothing constructive to say, they said the only thing they brought up the same short-sighted ideas Bush used to get America in the quagmire in Iraq.
I would like to see TP find some reputable sources to confirm this, or else call Senator Clinton’s office and ask them directly.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider #61
Yeah Wayne,
...one would think that w/Judd's new found celebrity, and TPs recent good fortunes...
...they'd have the gravitas to be able to accomplish that...
January 20th, 2007 at 1:49 amFunny how the morons and mentally retarded are usually those who base their entire off-topic argument on calling others morons and mentally retarded.
ThinkProgress must have struck a nerve with a few faithful FauxNews watchers.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:59 amCome to think of it, there are alot of Muslims I know who I would rather have as President than Obama.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #152
Who are they, what are their qualifications...
...and WHY would they make better presidents than Senator Obama?
...SPEAK bi*ch...
January 20th, 2007 at 2:05 amSo the douchebags claim "We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.". Go f*** yourself mates, you spend the whole segment talking about "Oh no he's a Muslim, he's a Muslim!" implying that because of his religion he's a terrorist symphatizer. By panicking about the fact that he's a Muslim, you are already slandering all Muslims as "the kind that want to blow [you] up.". Man, after that, I'm sure some of them really would like to blow you up, I'm sure I do. For the record I'm not a Muslim, but was also raised in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country. Did you know that, Fox "News" team? NOW GO PANIC!!! Fucking morons...
Dooce-bag did say "was anti-Americanism [I'll take this means western values, nice of him to claim that the US is the beacon of western "civilization"] in the curriculum back then, probably not.", but then later he rattles on saying "they basically teach Wahhabiism, which starts from 'We hate America' and go from then", forgetting what he claimed earlier. Anyway, I doubt that we had any angry religious leaders who were indoctrinating their folk about the evils of USA back then, because back then not many people were angry at the US; the US wasn't governed by a bunch of moronic, idiotic, incompetent, assholes that f***ed everything up and pissed everybody off.
For them to argue about linguistics and lack of details in Obama's book as "hiding the facts" is also a weak, cheap move. Slandering all Muslims as terrorists is basically stooping down to the level of those extremists who preach hate against the west.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:09 amYou know how boring this place would be without trolls???
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 19, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
At least Mitey Coprolite admits he is a troll. In this, she is 100% right -hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The good news….your ex-wife said since you stopped beating her - she’s drooling less……
Sounds to me you are describing your domestic situation, Mitey. It's so funny how much you disclose about yourself when you project like that.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:15 amThe Democrats have to shut down FOX News by taking away their broadcast license, because otherwise FOX whores will continue to swiftboat the Democrats and destroy them like they did to Sen. Kerry.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:16 amPerhaps this is even worse than it seems. Does this all seem to suggest the kind of rhetoric used to inspire abortion clinic bombers and snipers and such? What percentage of the varieties of utter right-wing religious nutballs( Bush's base...)would be moved to violent actions by crap like this? The Secret Service should prepare and the FCC should fine the daylights out of Fox for this. Would Fox be criminally liable if someone took a potshot at Obama? What a world...
January 20th, 2007 at 2:25 amWhat idiots, a madrassa is just an Islamic school that teaches religion. It's the exactly the same as Sunday School for Christians, or Sabbath Schools as they're called for Judaism. It's intended to teach kids about their religion.
These schools or madrassas aren't training grounds for future terrorists, it's completely ignorant and idiotic to think in that way. A few of the teachers in these madrassas or Christian sunday schools could be religious zealots hell bent on killing everyone else, but to stereotype every masdrassa as a terrorist camp is pure lunacy.
Fox News will do anything to alter the news. It's just like the word "Jihad" - which actually means to "strive or achieve". Prefixing or Suffixing the world holy or war changes the context of the word so that you get "War/Holy Jihad" to mean to achieve heaven through war. But you could also use "Peace Jihad" which would mean to achieve Peace, or even "Education Jihad" to mean to achieve an education. It's all relative, but sadly the Media has transformed this Arabic word to mean just war.
It's very sad to see that so many people choose to be ignorant of the context and definition of languages, words and culture.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:10 amHere is link to Hot Air, with their take on the "scoop":
After the beatings Dennis Prager and Virgil Goode took over Keith Ellison, Hillary’s suddenly going to turn around and accuse the golden boy of being a Manchurian candidate? I don’t buy it. It’s too soon, too nasty, and too clumsy, and her people would be keeping this kind of oppo research a much better secret if it were true.
I’m calling bullshinola.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:10 amReport: Hillary preparing to play the Muslim card on Obama
And now a link to The Moderate Voice:
So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources? […]
January 20th, 2007 at 4:12 amWhomever uses these kinds of tactics loses this voter’s vote. If anything, it means yours truly will listen and consider ever more carefully whatever Ms. Clinton and Obama suggest. Why? Because someone clearly considers them a threat and is out to get and apparently smear them.
Is Hillary Clinton Really Going After Obama?
You know how boring this place would be without trolls???
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Don't flatter yourself, Mightette. You and maybe some of your fellow trolls like Jason MH, joesillogic, etc. are the only ones who think you make this place more interesting. Exley at least can debate. You and most of the other trolls just throw out insults, digs, and unfounded innuendoes (such as the sexual ones you had for me on one recent thread concerning Ted Kennedy)--not to mention your dead child jokes but nothing of actual substance.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:28 amI'm not surprised that although you claim to be an attorneyette, you had absolutely nothing to contribute to the legal issues concerning Attorney General Gonzales. Your claim to be an attorneyette is about as phony as a $3 bill.
@247 - James...
I can almost guarantee that someone is sitting at home right now trying to put the 'pieces' together and at the very least, trying to get Obama tossed in Guantanamo as an enemy combatant. Or worse, what you said.
Fox is definitely putting his life in danger slowly but surely, with their constant comparisons to Islamic names... Kerry had the purple heart band-aid that the republicans shamefully mocked him with, I fear Obama will be called 'Iraq Hussein Osama' repeatedly by a certain cult in America I call the religious right.
Rush is already telling his mindless ditto-heads that he only 'seems' intelligent, but really is stupid. Yet he praises our president who only 'seems' stupid, but is really intelligent. Go figure.
There are US civilians, who have killed muslims that posed NO threat to us after 9/11, I fear there is one person out there who fears Barack Obama to that point, or is at least building their fear up as we speak...
January 20th, 2007 at 4:30 amA question for Jason M. Hendler : How much is the roach guy paying to defend his fauxpire ? ? ?
January 20th, 2007 at 5:06 amBarack Obama took two years of muslim education as a child.
Be careful; Obama is now a intellegent and brilliant orator an if elected President he will may find a way to trash the constitution and bring us all under a state of shia.
In spite of all this BS I will be voting for him.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:24 amBarack Obama took two years of muslim education as a child.
Be careful; Obama is now a intellegent and brilliant orator an if elected President he will may find a way to trash the constitution and bring us all under a state of shia.
In spite of all this BS I will be voting for him.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:24 amobamas a joke and if you cant see it your blind. Good thing hillary and him are going to run together. You poor blind liberals would get it no matter who won. Pelosi burnt you and you will get burned again. There all the same . Notice that yet?
So, who do you have in mind. Kissinger of Nixon. Because it would be wonderful to have those two back rather than have bad Dick or McCain or Rice the Con sitting in the WhiteHouse.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:34 amThe young adults who host "Fox & Friends" are the kinds of people I raised my children to avoid in life. They are robotic mental midgets. I hate the damned show and rarely watch it, unless something as horrid as this deliberate smear against Obama comes up. I hope Obama stops this nasty swift-boating in it's tracks, immediately. He must fight back hard and nip this in the bud.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:49 amHe isn't my first choice as a Dem candidate, but he's a fine man with a lovely family and he is destined for great things.
Damn Fox News to hell.
America is sliding down the Nazi path faster than the original Nazis. One Billion Muslims in the world who have been followers of Islam for 1500 years without any problems or at least without the atrocities and and out-right holocausts that people who espouse Christianity had committed and still do in Iraq and other places.
Now, in good ole democratic, freedom-loving America to be even remotely associated with Islam is a reason to be hated and looked at with suspicion.
I can't believe that those nut cases are actually talking about a a time in this man's life BEFORE THE AGE OF 10. that this man (then a child) went to school where his family lived. He had no choice in the matter, and even if he did what is wrong with going to Madrassa?
They should research the word Madrassa and know what it means before they start using it as a label and a proof of guilt.
Madrassa is an Arabic word that means school PERIOD. Each and every person in the middle east has to go to Madrassa (school) including Arab Christianss who number in the MILLIONS go to Madrassa/school also Arab Jews, I mean everyone it is mandatory in all countries for a child to go to madrassa which not at all different than schools in the west.
What they are implying is that this was a strictly religious school like those poor run-down religious schools you see on TV. Which I bet you is not the case.
Damn! America's Islamophopia is getting beyond out of hand now, its IN YOUR FACE NAZISM!!!!!
January 20th, 2007 at 6:12 amTo all you "mental pygmies" who feed upon hate and discontent...yes you LIBERALS pay attention: Try this:
The chapters in the Life and Times of Barak Obama always race ahead. It was during one of those chapters when we found him taking up community organizing in the Altgeld Gardens housing project on the south side of Chicago, when he converted to Christianity, formerly being secular. (www.brainsip.com).
As a fledgling Christian, Obama didn’t join just any church. He joined the United Church of Christ. Here it comes:
The United Church of Christ is very anti-Israel and supports divestment. It also sponsors speeches at its many functions by the Arab "Christian" pro-terror religious organization, Sabeel. Sabeel holds some of its biggest meetings in Chicago., (www.scoop.,co,nz/stories/HL0510/500139.htm).
The Democrats attract the majority of Jewish voters and funding, and this guy is being groomed as your "golden boy"?
Essentially Obama is a Christian convert--but also then a Muslim apostate. Shocking? Probably to the un-informed!
What if Obama is engaged in pious fraud? Ya think????? This is the Muslim practice of pretending not to be Muslim to further the cause of Islam or to "defend the faith". WOW!!! Now there is an un-heard of concept!!!! He becomes President and then says, "Gee…I think I want to be Muslim again".
Is the "New Face" theory espoused in USA Today, New Face as in the "Portrait of Dorian Grey"? A new portrait is being painted by "ALL" the mental pygmies (liberals) and that is the Portrait of "Barak Hussein Obama". We will all be very interested to watch how this portrait develops. I think I have already seen a 'pustule'...... How nice to sit back and watch these mental pygmies slowly self-destruct. Get out your pop-corn and drinks, settle back in your easy chair and watch the fireworks! Hillary vs Barak....the fight of the century is about to begin! The "portrait" is about to get real ugly....gotta love it! The smell of "mendacity" will fill the arena!
January 20th, 2007 at 9:18 amSam Brownback's membership in a secretive group of Hitler-loving theocrats is considerably scarier than where Obama went to first grade.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:21 amIs the only reason you don't believe this story is because it was on FoxNews? Of course the liberal media outlets wouldn't report on this, it would be flaying on of their own.
Let's set aside for a moment that Obama claims he really has no religion even though he is a member of a church that pushes a reparations and wealth redistribution agenda; he should've been open in his book about the type of school he went to and the teachings of that school. And why was the school telling his mother anything about his behavior when he was living with his father? Seems a little suspect to me. Usually the parent with custody gets all the calls about how a child is doing in school.
The question that everyone should really be asking themselves though is what does Obama stand for? The answer is: nothing. He has no plan, no set agenda for the nation, and no experience. Just what do you think he will do when elected? 4 years of nothing and that, in this current world we live in, is unthinkable.
Would Obama aggressively seek out terrorists in our country? Would he keep in place the things that have ferreted out dozens if not hundreds of plots to kill Americans over the past 5 years? Would he make the tough decisions about protecting US citizens knowing that doing so could make him unpopular in both the US and foreign press? The answer to all of these is a resounding NO!
Vote based on platform and how it aligns with your goals in life (able to make money, able to keep the money you make, keeping you and your family safe, keeping your rights, etc....) not rhetoric and the fact that a guy has a nice smile and never says anything remotely substantive.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:25 am[...] The expected smearing begins That didn't take long now did it? __________________ Cannabis-THC-ministry Amsterdam http://www.digidopaganda.com حشيش [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 10:05 amDear Tp Staff,
Is their anything more that can be done by you and your posters to make me more comfortable in my stay here at TP?
They seem to be full of vitriol and hatred for one another and this fervor is at a fever pitch and well, to be honest, some of them are just down right rude and nasty here at TP. I think they know whom they are.
I dont feel like I am getting my moneys worth as a taxpaying United States citizen.
I hope you will look into this slight at your earliest convenience.
I paid for this and I am not getting my moneys worth.
I demand compensation for your lack of goodwill toward your fellow man.
I will accept payment in the form of cooperation and a general feeling of goodwill from your regular posters.
I expect these demands to be met and to resume immediately.
If this is not recieved, other forms of compensation will be sought and recieved.
Somehow until then I will manage to muddle through, but this blogging hobby is starting to become a burden and well you know, I just think you could try harder to make me more comfortable here since after all,it is my hard earned tax dollars funding this site. I just dont feel you are doing enough to make my stay here amiable and pleasurable like your ad stated on the box. Truth in advertising is the law.
I will forgive this mishap this time, but in the future please look into and perhaps sponsor starter academic programs for a select few posters here, perhaps offer simple courses like:
Note - 1 semester equals 6 months
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January 20th, 2007 at 10:18 am[...] via ThinkProgress – you can watch the video on that page [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 11:01 amDon't know if anyone has even brought these items up yet, but I would like to punch some holes in Fox News' reporting.
"(Obama) was raised...spent the first decade of his life raised by his Muslim father as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa...We should also point out that Barack Obama's father is the one that gave him the middle name of Hussein..."
This string of inaccuracies is a lot on it's own:
-Barack's parents separated at age two and later divorced, he only saw his father ONCE after the separation. That would make it quite difficult for his father to raise him, don't you think??
-Barack was raised by his mother until moving to live with his grandparents around the age of ten. As discussed in "The Audacity of Hope", his mother didn't claim a religion but exposed Barack to all sorts of beliefs, he was certainly not raised a Muslim.
-Barack was named after his father (Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.) so this really doesn't carry the significance that Fox would like you to think it should.
-Obama spent a mere four years in Indonesia (not a decade!) and attended school with those who with those who didn't have the money to go elsewhere. Not to mention, he only spent two years at the Muslim school...
This was just from the first few seconds of this clip, this show is not about news, it is about spin and distortion.
January 20th, 2007 at 11:04 amWhy is it if you hear anything people don't like it is 1. evil republicans 2. racist people 3. false 4. someone else is out to get you!!
January 20th, 2007 at 11:13 amHow much do we know about Mr. Obama? Why is it when information comes out that, perish the thought, might be true, it is an evil plant? Get wise all of you...3000 people died on 9-11 and that was way before President Bush had anything to do with our presence in the Middle East...we (and most likely because of Hollywood's portrayal of America) are hated by the majority of Middle Eastern Peoples. What are we going to do about it? Keep bickering amongst ourselves? Plus, Fox News is the only channel not biased in their reporting...the News is the news...and commentary is called commentary, not the news like it is on other stations. When are you all going to grow up and realize Republicans allow you to live in your la-la land of Utopia by keeping this country strong?
There is a lot more than this regarding his time spent in Indonesia.
Many of the things said simply don't jive.
The Indonesians themselves are having a hard time getting the facts straight.
An American Expat in Southeast Asia
January 20th, 2007 at 11:35 amOh, and look up how to pronounce Faux.
Comment by Steve — January 20, 2007 @ 1:03 am
well, of course we all know it's pronounced FO, but we all know it means FAKE and so it's just a fun pun...
and take that sign off, stand up straight and play nice...
January 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWhy don't you at least get the story right? The story was first leaked to "Insight Magazine" by Hillary Clinton's aides. In your rush to blame Fox News, you didn't even do any basic research. Now that's what I call a SMEAR campaign.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:18 pmRight-wing propoganda pisses me off just as much as Left-Wing propoganda does.
If you're not an Independent, you're just a sheep.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:33 pm[...] See the broadcast in question here. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 1:39 pm[...] See the broadcast in question here. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 1:39 pmAre you saying Fox should not have reported this? What if we find out McCain spent two to four years in a school run by Nazis? It wouldn't mean he is one, but I'm sure questions would be asked?
I'm concerned because it seems like the people posting on this site only want their voices heard?
I still might vote for Obama, I just want all the facts.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmSo, what? Carl Rove is a closet-faggot, George Bush is a drunk "off the wagon", and the last thing Dick Cheney will see when he has his fatal heart attack will be his bug-eyed wife, Lyn. So, what's the point?
January 20th, 2007 at 2:28 pmDamn fox news is terrifyingly stupid. Damn.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:45 pmOh my god, did Fox actually get away with that?! This is insane!
January 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pm[...] Faux News is beyond a joke. The scary thing is that they’re playing to folk who, for one reason or another, don’t particularly care about getting information from more than one source. So now, Barak Obama is a terrorist, lying in wait for his opportunity to destroy our country from the office of president. If Fox’s reach wasn’t as substantial as it is, I’d find this form of behavior to be amusing. It’s not. Obama should sue the pants off these scumbags. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 4:57 pmAphrodite is tedious and offers no insight; just sarcasm and insult for her shallow friends in which to wallow like the pigs they are. Some people actually look for information and honest discourse, not a forum for high school and sophmoric antics. Get with the program, stupid little girl. This has worked out rather well for you, hasn't it? After all, you were underprivileged, anyway.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pmYou idiots! Hillary is trying to get rid of the competition and Fox is merely reporting info that her people have dug up. They are in Indonesia right now doing "opposition research". Quite the trick, she trashes her opponent and lots of people think she had nothing to do with it....oh, she was home baking cookies - just like she was when she was busy destroying Bill's women. Grow up!
January 20th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWho has the most to gain by Obama biting the dust? Hillary. Use your heads.
CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE FROM THAT TV STATION .ALL OF YOU ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF PROSTITUTES .
January 20th, 2007 at 6:04 pmFox news smearing a democrat that will probably run for president? Color me shocked....
And whoever made the comment #190, "All liberals come on the internet to whine and bitch", that might be true... but at least we are not like conservatives, who use the internet to find their next teenage boyfriend.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pm[...] ThinkProgress reports that this morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa†school as a 6-year-old child. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 9:11 pmIf Barack Obama was trying to "hide" this why would he write about in his book.
It is out there for anybody to read. Maybe they should give everybody at Fox News a copy.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:13 pmThe commenter up above that left his name as "Democraticgiftshop.com" had the funniest response ever LOL :)
"I would love to take the high road on this, as Democrats, we simply can’t."
hahaha I love how if you give a democrat enough rope, they will hang themselves. :)
Impeachment huh?? HA! Wishful thinking there fella :)
Oh boy, I can laugh at this one for days :)
January 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pmAmazing the circle j-e-r-k this place has turned into. Whatever would you people do with an actual life? Imagine the concept however briefly and then consider what is it that causes you to all be so narcissistic.
Are ALL of you here just to have other people validate your opinions? Pretty pathetic... Do you actually believe you have ANY impact on ANYONE else beyond this small circle of enablers here?
Additionally, your juvenile (and at this point banal) comments like "Faux News" tear down any credibility or objectivity you otherwise may engender with the remainder of your post's contents.
Oh, and please learn to spell correctly. If you can't get your spelling correct I doubt you can handle the more difficult task of getting your facts correct.
January 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmFox News must be doing a fantastic job to have all of these left wing,
Chomsky loving, Pelosi ring kissing, socialism needing, Castro praying, Liberal Arts PHD having, cockroaches scurrying like the overhead flourescents just came on.
Some words of advice for you cockroaches:
1) Go back to school and get a degree in a real subject like math or science.
2) Your gripes and baseless arguments to the validity of FNC only adds fuel to their fire.
3) Your brainwashing techniques in our universities eventually fails miserably because the trully intelligent students see through the mountain of your bullshit and the weaker minded students become.....well... yourselves (thats why most of you have degrees in easy subjects like English, sociology, philosophy and international studies).
3) Get a job in the real world that doesn't involve poisoning the minds of our youth, piloting a greenpeace ramming boat, chaining yourself to a tree in the pacific northwest, doing worthless research in obscure subjects nobody gives a shit about, or above all, giving yourself bleeding ulcers about what Oreilly and Hannity are saying on Fox news.
4) Grow up! You can only be hippies for so long.
I commend you, Hendler, on your stomach to deal with these imbeciles for as long as you have. Keep fighting the good fight son.
As for me I'd love to respond to all the moronic insults that are sure to come after this post, but you see I have a real job that prevents me from getting caught up in all this "progress".
Viva Fox News!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:16 am"Additionally, your juvenile (and at this point banal) comments like “Faux News†tear down any credibility or objectivity you otherwise may engender with the remainder of your post’s contents."
With you, perhaps. Some of us think it's just good fun and an excellent way of denoting the leading center of misinformation. If you let the "Faux News" tag keep you from appreciating on its own merits, that's your loss.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:48 amYou dumb a$$ses it was HILLARY that is pushing this story! Look it up!
January 21st, 2007 at 2:42 amShe leaked his middle name as well. The day a black yankee democratic muslim gets elected with be around the times the muslims are extinct.
# 298
Obama is a Christian DUMBASS!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 4:05 amAre ALL of you here just to have other people validate your opinions? Pretty pathetic…Are ALL of you here just to have other people validate your opinions? Pretty pathetic… Do you actually believe you have ANY impact on ANYONE else beyond this small circle of enablers here?
Comment by Ben Harris
And just what impact do you think your message here is having on ANYONE beyond this small circle, if even on them?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:14 amBTW, most of the worst spellers among the posters here are the neo-con trolls like Mighty Aphrodite, Jason M.Hendler, joeslogic, tracy, and so on.
You dumb a$$ses it was HILLARY that is pushing this story! Look it up!
Comment by kevin — January 21, 2007 @ 2:42 am
That claim has already been debunked! In this very thread! Look it up!!
Media Matters also has a very good run-down!!
She leaked his middle name as well.
That his middle name is "Hussein" is known -it's not as if that fact is a top secret, don't be ridiculous. He was named after his father, who also had the same middle name.
Even the wikipedia has that information.
The day a black yankee democratic muslim gets elected with be around the times the muslims are extinct.
Wha!? Keith Ellison, a Democratic black Muslim was just elected as a Representative for Minnesota.
Do you read the news?
Ah, the room temperature IQ trolls...
January 21st, 2007 at 5:03 amFox News: Evil and Intolerant
Bringing you the truth, that we just made up.
Edwards/Obama is the winning ticket.
Too many rednecks and Redtarded states to make Obama/Hillary work.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:10 amJason....You and Bush should go and fight on the front line in this senseless war . If the story was true, Obama was sent by his mother.The vast majority of Muslims are fine people. Let's not forget the Oklahoma City bombings.............in-grown "Americans". Run, Obama, run !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pmFirst Keith Ellison is elected to the congress and now a muslim is running for president. Is that really the best way to win the war on terror.... or do you people believe the war on terror is just a fairytale?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:08 pmFox News strikes again!!!! And, these are the guys that Condelezza Rice "loves." What a joke and in the name of journalism
January 21st, 2007 at 4:16 pmHey Bill O' Reilly you're really a Muslim aren't you?
January 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmLooks like Fox News is trying to make ammends:
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January 21st, 2007 at 6:59 pmI got the "Obama Secret Wahabbist email" today -- it's really making the rounds, you betcha. What's fascinating is the rightwingers who keep asserting that this is NOT a crusade - NOT a "Christian against Islamic" thing, but as soon as a candidate has any kind of Islamic background (Keith Ellison, Barack Obama) they are questioning whether it's appropriate for them to serve in politics or the military or whatever. If it's not about their religion, then why, my darlings, is it about their religion? Or are we just using a new kind of code for racial issues? Thanks for this article, ThinkProgress.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:46 pmJust a cute fairt tale with a touch of reality for the troops.
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmWolf Blitzer is about to reveal the truth (i hope) on "The Situation Room" in the next 10 - 15mins. Apparentely CNN was in Indonesia over the weekend investigating. Amazing!! We'll see how this one turns out!
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:03 pmHere is what I wrote to Fox. i am soooooo sick of their shit!
Dear Fox News,
Congratulations you have finally pissed me off! I have tolerated your right wing propaganda for many years but your latest segment highlighting that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attending an Islamic “madrassa†school as a 6-year-old child was completely misleading.
You have just galvanized the progressive left like never before. I am sick of your shit. Be prepared for a backlash like you have never seen before.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pmCNN just debunked the Madrasa rumors. They even went to Indonesia over the weekend, to Baracks elementary school. Looked like a perfectly regular elementary school to me. The world should be devoid of ignorant conduits like Fox news. Here's a link to the story:
I'll put the accompanying video up soon......
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:06 pm[...] Last week, Fox News and other Rupert Murdoch outlets amplified a right-wing report alleging that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child. One Fox News caller questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.” Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, “Well, we’ll see about that.” [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:19 pmI just caught the CNN piece too. I'm sitting here hoping beyond hope that every other news network runs on this too. Maybe finally it will open the eyes of those who are unaware of the 'echo chamber' effect that I was first introduced to during the 'Clinton staff trashes White House/Air Force 1' story. Many people still aren't aware that one was debunk'd because the echo chamber did its job.
PLEASE let the backlash against Murdoch n Co. begin!
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:22 pm[...] The other day Fox News smeared Sen. Barack Obama, implying that the Indonesian elementary school he attended as a six-year-old was an Islamic madrassa. Fox chose to repeat this pile of right-wing bullshit, without any confirmation or further investigation. But not CNN. [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:42 pmCNN Debunks this very nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-kPCCog0BY&eurl=
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmThis by far is the funniest thing Ive ever seen. Watch out Muslims who want to blow us up, your're now past the bears that want to eat us on the danger scale.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 pmCommon you fools. The guy went to a Muslim school, so why shoudn't it be investigated. George W was put under the microscope. After all, if you are electing a man, whose middle name is Hussein, for US President, the people are going to ask questions. And rightly so. It wasn't Fox that reported it first, it was Insight. They were just messengers. So just quit being rabid about it. If it's not true, it will get straightened out. Lou
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmI had this story on my blog about a week befoe it broke on InsightMag.com Let's face the facts. The facts are that Obama was raised by his Muslim father and then a Muslim step-father. By his own admission as Obama states in his own book he went to a Muslim school. Therefore the Fox story is correct and the InsightMag story is correct. Where is the controversy? Obama did without doubt attend a Madrassa. madrassa means "school" in Arabic. To say that he did not attend a madrassa is completely idiotic. http://www.mittromneyin2008.com to read the article.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 am# 316.
He was raised by his White Grand Parents in Hawaii you dumbass. His Father (who was an Agnostic and not a muslim) was absent in his life. Furthermore he spent 4 yrs in Indonesia with his Mum and non-practicing muslim StepDad. Why don't you focus on your candidate Mitt Romney. Hopefully your people won't have to defend Mitt's Mormonism.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:32 amLet’s pretend for a second that I’m talking to some deluded right-winger (usage here implies that not all right-wingers are necessarily deluded) and we both agree to disagree on Fox News’ obvious Neocon agenda and willingness to slant/smear…. Even if we set that particular giant elephant in the room aside, I think it’d be pretty hard for the right-winger to avoid acquiescing to the fact that a “news organization†that chooses to amplify an obviously sensational/inflammatory news story cited from a source without references, and yet doesn’t bother to do any fact-checking themselves to see if there is even any truth to it… that’s not really a news organization… it’s the corner rumor-monger at-best, a propaganda machine posing as “Fair and Balanced†at worst.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 amthis is a test for all Americans to prove to the world that they are not DUMB. Yes! I mean it. How can that 'shit' network defame a guy with a vision. I watch Obama everyday and I see someone that can make change happen. Hilary is not different from Bill(remember Lewinsky case!), they both are liars. First, as soon as Obama announced his intention she changed her schedule, now she is resorting to blackmail. This bug will soon bite her. She is just digging her own grave and will soon fall in it, I will be sure to attend the burial. Anyway, anyone who believes the story might as well believe that Senator Hilary is a Virgin!!!!
I don't like 'Faux' news because of their open hatred,racism and stupid reporters. they all make me sick to my stomach. It's time for Americans to prove that they are smarter than those cheap liars who will not do the country any good by lying. They will do more harm if elected. Please make sure to cast your votes for Obama, when the time comes he is the best of the lot, trust me!
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:49 amThose of you Americans who are intelligent must be as disgusted and embarrased of the sentiments of that broadcast as the rest of us. The way they seize upon the fact that he went to a Muslim school in a Muslim country is outrageous, and as for not declaring that he was taught Wahhabism and not saying whether or not it was anti-american, why the hell should he? Do most people say if they went to school and if it was pro- or anti- anything? And as for the callers saying "Maybe he doesn't consider the terrorists the enemy" or "At least you know what the Muslims are thinking", you are probably the same fools who really believe Saddam had connections with Osama, that the US military only does things because of the goodness in its heart to give 'freedom' to others and can't understand why it's through the actions of people like them that the rest of the world looks at America like it's retarded. Thank God there are some people from the States who are intelligent enough to see through this facade, to those of you that do, I salute you.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmand on the other foot...
quick, someone post a link to the proof that gw bush did coke
c'mon, that wasn't a smear, right? right??
obama admits doing coke -- that's a class c felony in my state
shame on insight and fox for this attempted smear - shame on us for not realizing the hypocrisy in our current outrage
January 24th, 2007 at 7:02 amI would have thought it obvious – his last name is “Obamaâ€, which sounds a bit like “Osamaâ€, which is the first name of Osama bin Laden - the mastermind of 9/11. His middle name is “Hussein†which is the same name of the mastermind of 9/11 and WMD stock-piler, Saddam Hussein!
January 24th, 2007 at 9:17 amCome on FOXNEWS,. They did this again,. What if Bush had gone to a mosque couple times? Does this mean he is a terrorist? What is Hillary read Quran? Does it make any change? For Gods Sake Obama Barak had been surving American People in the office for more or less than 20 years,. Now, they are provoking the issue,. If he is a good person, who cares about nations and the worlds life,. so what? Let him be a president,. os what if he is a Muslim? Does it matter, if he brings peace to the world??? Muslim or Jew, or Christian, people need somebody who cares about the WORLD! not about himself,. He is the Man,. Obama is the MAN!
January 25th, 2007 at 2:11 amIt seems that Hillary is the real culprit with this story. She is the one who questioned his religious heritage, not FOX. They were just repeating the story, and unfortunately without doing the proper background checks.
Get the facts straight and then you'll have a solid leg to stand on.
January 25th, 2007 at 9:12 amWhat we all fail to mention here is that he has NO experience what-so-ever. Two years as a Senator is good enough to be president? What is his voting record? Please people - vote for the right person with the right qualifications to lead us. Not because he "looks good", "sounds good" and hey - "is black". Sounds like American Idol.
If Fox News Channel is conservative - than what does that makes every other outlets for news? Cause last I checked CNN - MSN - all three networks - BBC America - PBS - NY Times etc. are all extremely biased to the left. The propaganda here is right before your eyes and it's working.
Oh - and CNN and MSN did relatively the same interviews questioning the background of this guy. Was that okay? If he is going to run for president - than he should be able to take the heat.
Winey liberals!
January 25th, 2007 at 1:58 pm"Please make sure to cast your votes for Obama, when the time comes he is the best of the lot, trust me!"
Obama is a part of the most corrupt Democrat Cook County organization and did nothing about it while a State Senator other than be a rubber stamp. His buddy and luncheon pal is indicted lobbyist Reszko, with whom he had a shady real estate deal when he bought his 1.2 million dollar house recently in an all-white prestigious suburb. He quickly endorsed and vouched for our newly elected mafia-connected treasurer who had no experience other than a proven record of lending money to the mafia from his family-owned bank. His original "job" on the southside of Chicago "working with the poor" was to register 150,000 new voters in one year. That didn't help him since Bobby Rush beat him 2-1 with the slogan, "he's not black enough"!
When running for the U.S. Senate, Murdoch's Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama and with his approval, initiated the forced-opening of his opponent's sealed records re a battle for additional visitation rights for his 10 year son. (The sexy ex-wife and Hollywood star claimed when on vacation in France and visiting various sex clubs, he actually wanted to have sex with his wife in one of them.) The media frenzy of a husband having sex with his own wife became the whole story and Obama's opponent dropped out and a new one appeared about one month prior to election. Great move turned into a great "dirty politics" win!
Continue fawning over this platitude-spouting candidate, but "trust him", NO. Please stop with the "he's great; he's different; he's so good". This guy is just another scheming, slick politician, who didn't announce until he privately spoke with George Soros. By the way, Obama is not an African-American, Barack Hussien Obama, Jr. is an Arab-American.
Two years is a long long time! The guy hasn't even won the Democrat primary yet and remembering how the Clinton war room savaged all the Clinton females who dared speak up, or anyone who dared expose their illegal fund-raising, selling secrets to China, nuke reactors to N. Korea, etc.
The fun has just begun.
Obama has a good chance....he's the darling of the Left-wing media and sub-arm of the Dem Party, and has been headlined since his run for the Senate and whatever rumors appear, they will silence immediately...unlike the Bush unproven allegations and the Dan Rather 6-year vendetta stooping to "forged documents"!
January 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pm#293 Poe - Purity Of Essence, ah, the sweet irony of Dr. Strangelove! Or how I learned to love Fox News!
January 25th, 2007 at 10:36 pm#325 John: Robert Kennedy, USAG, Robert Kennedy, two years Senator, Robert Kennedy, looks good, Robert Kennedy, sounds good. Didn't he look and act like the President we all wanted?
January 25th, 2007 at 10:44 pm#194 Mr. J. Hendler
You can’t help anyone without real experience as an executive - either in corporate life or civic duty. Texas is a state that is prominent in the industries of energy, high tech and agriculture, so that is an excellent state from which to become President of the United States - as is CA, FL and NY.
And CT is the best state to get that higher sophistcated education! And become a member of Skull and Bones!
January 25th, 2007 at 11:26 pmThe more things change the more they stay the same.
January 26th, 2007 at 1:00 amLet us play taps, softly... Because obviously, libel, slander, and truth in advertising laws are dead. Because Fox news is not shut down, pending criminal and civil proceedings.
January 26th, 2007 at 9:27 amAlso:
Ahem. If we "found out" that McCain was in a school run by Nazis, then yes. If we "wished to make up lies" about him being in a Nazi school, no. This is either libel or slander (I'm not sure which applies to televised media).
Even if it was an honest mistake (which I doubt), fact checking is important in all arenas of public speech, and doubly important in news reporting. If someone at CNN did this, he'd be out the door, and possibly prosecuted, not only by Obama, but by CNN, for exposing the company to damaging liability. He'd certainly lose his broadcaster's license.
Telling lies in a public forum to damage someone's career and person is not just morally wrong... it's also illegal. Libel and slander laws exist to protect individuals from this sort of thing.
January 26th, 2007 at 9:35 amFOX NEWS....."WE REPORT CONSERVATIVE TALKING POINTS, YOU SHUT UP AND LISTEN." Pass the koolaid.
January 26th, 2007 at 11:25 am"Madrassa" just means "school" in Arabic. I hope you would know that not all schools in the Middle East are funded by Saudis. Quite on the contrary, there are many schools in my home country of Syria that are funded by Churches. The many public schools in Syria are funded by the Governent, the Muslim Alawee who are a minority in the Islam religion. They are sympathetic towards both faiths, and strive for impartialism. Hey, I even know a Jewish person in a high school in Damascus. He's treated just as well as all the other Muslims and Christians.
Just as I think humanity cannot sink lower, Fox News proves me wrong.
January 26th, 2007 at 11:43 am#324. Yes, Hillary is the culprit! Insight stands 100% behind their information from several reliable sources in the Hillary camp who were instructed by Hillary herself to initiate a search back in November 2006. The editor of Insight states emphatically that their research will continue! Hillary is ticked off, not because of the leak, but because this was going to be a typical Democrat "October surprise" next year!
The Democrat beloved "stars" are never the culprits; never use FBI files to blackmail their political enemies, never use P.I.s to investigate the lives of political opponents....it's FOX always!
Or could it be Obama is shrewd and sneaky enough to come forth with his "coke" habit and his version of his Muslim background, hoping there would be no further investigations???
Wake up!
January 26th, 2007 at 2:25 pmXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
January 26th, 2007 at 8:15 pmPeople are really pushing the fact that he went to, as the Washington Post puts it, a "radical Islamic school" while living in Indonesia as a kid. Looks like Fox News is really pushing this one. My response? Implying that Obama is unpatriotic or an unstable radical because he was in an Islamic Kindergarten is not only unsubstantiated but completely ludicrous: I had a hippie Californian kindergarten teacher, and I don't smoke the chronic.
It's like judging Mitt Romney as being sexist because of polygamy or racist because of the previous marriage attitudes of his faith and blacks having mormon priesthood. It's like judging Giuliani as not having the American's people's moral interest in mind because of his adultery. It's like calling McCain a fence-sitter because he's shown support for abortion and embryonic stem-cell research. It's like judging Bush on his level of experience considering he was Governor of Texas for only 6 years. You can't use these pieces of weak evidence to keep folks from the White House; they're unsubstantiated cheap shots and antithetical to assuming character.
January 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThis is so absurd...Why does the right ring press have to attack the one candidate that actually could turn our country around and make it soemthing to be proud of. Just disgusting
January 29th, 2007 at 10:36 pmMary #335 Why aren't you holding FOX and Insight accountable for reporting false stories about Sen. Obama? Everybody is onto Rove's template of spewing false statements, childish name calling, never taking responsibility for grave errors, blaming others and not answering appropriate questions. People are sick of redefined words, instead of answers.
This story might actually be a good thing. It outlines the manipulation, hate and anger of the Christian right.
How very un-Christian to paint Sen. Obama as a militant Muslim. The Christian right needs to review Christian values.
January 31st, 2007 at 2:45 pmI wouldn't be surprised if comment #10 was derived from FOX and the GOP. It's sad that these groups must take a small piece of information and create their own story from it in order to perpetuate their existance.
If you read #10, it says "article". I believe this entire discussion has been based on a BROADCAST. Let's stick to the facts. Obama is an honest, person that seeks goodness and truth. He's a Christian. But does that really matter? Who cares? More importantly than a persons claim to a religion, is a persons honesty and integrity. Sadly, Bush is Christian and he has neither. And no, Obama did not attend a Madrassa, he went to an Indonesian school side by side with Muslims, Christians and Hindus.
January 31st, 2007 at 10:24 pmOddly enough, "madrassa" is a word in Arabic that simply means "school." It depends on the curriculum and the school of thought disseminated by an individual madrassa that should be worrisome; i.e the fundamentalist Wahabi school of thought. I suppose Obama's unfortunate alliteration to a terrorist (Osama) will not do him any good, due to the fact that there is an subconscious correlation between the two. And Fox news is really pushing the limits on their smear campaign.
Btw, Obama came to my madrassa today (George Mason University) and held a rally. A very charismatic gentleman. I think he would do our nation a lot of good.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:21 amFirst let me say it shouldn't matter if anyone is Muslim or not, but nevertheless, a lie is lie and should be exposed:
Let's look at the lies:
1. Insight magazine didn't name a single person or document when they claimed it was Hillary Clinton pushing this story, so their claim has no credibility whatsoever.
2. They said Obama didn't mention the Muslim school in his book when in fact he does discuss the school in his book.
3. They said Obama attended the Muslim school for 4 years when actually he attended the school for only 2 years, afterwards enrolling in a Catholic school.
4. They called the school a "madrasa" insinuating it is the typical extremist Muslim school that teaches kids to hate America. Fact is the school had a national curriculum and taught Christianity to its Christian students, located in a well-to-do neighborhood near the home of a U.S. ambassador.
5. They described his father as a Muslim without noting he was a non-practicing Muslim.
6. They repeat that Obama was "raised as a Muslim" I didn't know attending a Muslim school in Indonesia from age 6-8 means you were "raised as a Muslim" even though you were born in USA and every year before and after that was spent in USA raised by your Christian grandparents while attending Christian schools.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:29 amThe real WMD are the internet, blogs and Wikipedia. Use them wisely. I included the link to the Wikipedia article about the 'Obama madrassa media scandal'. Every time ignorant Fox News 'reporters' come up with a new smear, start or contribute to an article about it.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmCONVERSION a sin? TYou guys, think twice before converting to Christianity all around the world.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI won't vote for the man, he has too close of ties to islam to trust him. I have lived under an islamic rule and have been forced to embrace islamic doctrine for too long to think that anyone this close to islam can be a trust worthy leader of a democracy. You all are being naive. I suggest you visit the political section of islamic forums like http://www.ummah.net/ and http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/ and find out why the muslims are so supportive of Barack Obama and what they hope to obtain by having him in power. Read the koran and hadiths of islam. The more you know the less likely you are to say the comments you have all posted. Remember, unless you have lived the life of a muslim, your better off to stop pretending it is compatable with your own way of life.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:31 pmDo we Muslims make you fear that much? (FOX)
Is it too much for RIGHT WING to handle a Black Man to be a PRESIDENT?
Where is equal rights now?
If you fear Muslims so much, how do you expect them to trust you?
In the name of God, what century is this?
Religion is POISON! (This comes from me, I'm a Muslim) hehe :)
February 8th, 2007 at 7:02 pmThis is in response to Aisha's comments:
Please don't forget:
Islam: The only and first religion to give woman the right to divorse a husband.
Islam: The first religion to ban slavery, 1500 years ago slavery was gone from Saudia, and when was the last time we had slavery here?
Islam: Complete code of life; including laws, rights, banking, etc. etc..
Islam: The more you study science, the more you realize Quran stated it 1500 years ago...
Islam: Did mention about people like you; the more you want to close your eyes into darkness, so be it... it's God's will to show you the right path.
Blame the leaders, blame arab monkeys, blame dictators, but please do not lie about Quran and you are biased, you know that.
Lets be fair then, where and when were women considered witches and burnt? Dark ages? Europe? Does that ring your bells?
Salom!
February 8th, 2007 at 9:58 pmAfra
muslim is a religion not a charge last time I checked
terrorists attack without regard for religious principles not because of them despite the propaganda
men should be judged by their character not by the color of their skin...
sound familiar?
If a candidate has demonstrated at lower levels of leadershp that he/she is able to produce the results we seek as a people then we should back them up with our votes...regardless of their religion.
Freedom of religion still exists in America right? Does the presidency require a specific religious denomination of its candidates? It's hard to tell.
Look at the actual work history of the candidates to determe what the interests are..then decide.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:12 pm332 facts are important...good point...everything truthful and relevant about all candidates should be disclosed so that voters can decide with confidence
The 2008 race will be one that hopefully encourages more voter participation. May the best candidate represent the people.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:21 pm[...] picked up a story from Washington Times-owned website, Insight. The story claimed Senator Obama attended a madrassa, a terrorist training camp, as a child in Indonesia. (FOX News commentator and radio host, John [...]
February 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI think it was Hillary Clinton who stirred the Madrassa pot. Regardless, it's important to know the background of anyone seeking any position in our government. If it's irrelevant, it'll blow away. If not, American citizens need all the info they can get, regardless of the informers' motives.
February 16th, 2007 at 9:29 am[...] the Think Progress website, we learn of Barack Obama’s supposedly hidden Muslim; America Hating; past. It is [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 4:46 pmJust as the commies said--I will take over America without firing a shot---I will infiltrate your schools, media and government and that is exactly what the Muslims are doing. Anyone that doesn't believe it are pure idiots. Go ahead and vote for Obama---that is what the muslims WANT. And you people are obviously to ignorant to realize this.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:47 pmLet's be honest about who is behind these stories- Hillary. Before this primary is over Barack is going to be left holding the bleeding spot where his genitals used to be. The Iron Lady is going to crush him and defile his memory.
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 amThe problem is not with Fox, though Fox is a problem; the problem is corporate media, but corporations are not the problem. As suggested above Fox is not really news, nor is CNN, lets stick to these two for now. Corporate media has turned news business into entertainment business (and it was never supposed to be a business to begin with, rather its a public service), as such it is not beholden to journalistic ethos and integrity. Fox is an extreme example of prostituting the fourth check in the American government, the free press. It should not matter which side of the political spectrum you are on when you decide to watch the news. Certain events and actions reported might be directly influenced by politics, but the reporting of news itself should be apolitical. Any opinion a journalist may give, should they care to give one, should be subtitled as commentary or better still, prefixed with the phrase: "in this reporter's opinion".
February 25th, 2007 at 3:14 amBut the blame is not entirely with news anchors and journalists who have sold out. There are still good journalists at CNN as I am sure that there are some at FOX. Maybe they are just as disgusted about their complicity in slander, either direct or through inaction. Perhaps they rescind to the face of the new media The problem is that there is demand for the smut that these networks peddle. Al Franken maybe an ass, but he is right to equate this kind of reporting as political pornography. We have to ask ourselves why millions of people keep tuning it to watch the Entertainment Tonight version of the news. Can we blame corporate media on delivering what the public wants or appears to want. Absolutely. Journalism in any context, global or local; independent or corporate has a special role in this country. Freedom of the press grants protection as well as endowing the press with great responsibility. It is disgraceful to see what is happening to news media. The dying out of investigative journalism. A world where sensationalism and ratings rule. There are countries where the press is censored or under tight control of the governing party and when we see it we cry out about how undemocratic they are, how civil liberties do not exist there. Yet we allow for even worse transgressions to occur on our own soil. The freedom of press clause of the first Amendment is defiled, not only when courts refuse to respect the journalist shield laws, but when the public allows pseudo journalists go unchallenged. It not about bias its about accountability and integrity. For shame.
[...] left and nutroots throw a collective fit over Fox News reporting on Barak Obama’s Muslim [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pm[...] to arrange the sentence. He suggested we make Gibson trade lap dances with Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy in an Islamic madrassa while the students throw brimstone at them. I rejected that idea because, [...]
February 26th, 2007 at 6:27 pm[...] news operation,” notes Markos, the greater platform it has to peddle unfounded smears against the [...]
March 11th, 2007 at 3:34 am[...] news operation,” notes Markos, the greater platform it has to peddle unfounded smears against the [...]
March 13th, 2007 at 9:43 am[...] mention that it was Fox “News” who propagated the story that Obama was a terrorist covert Islamic fundamentalist. Lets get angry, get organized, and shut this shit [...]
March 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pm[...] mention that it was Fox “News” who propagated the story that Obama was a terrorist covert Islamic fundamentalist. Lets get angry, get organized, and shut this shit [...]
March 30th, 2007 at 2:20 pm[...] being a Christian–didn’t you see him wearing those Muslim clothes? And he went to that Muslim school, where he no doubt got his earliest lessons in how to blow up the evil [...]
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