Helicopter crash in Iraq kills 13 U.S. soldiers.
By on Jan 20th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Helicopter crash in Iraq kills 13 U.S. soldiers.
“A U.S. military helicopter crashed northeast of Baghdad on Saturday, killing all 13 military personnel on board, but the U.S. military gave no immediate details on the cause. … The incident brought to 16 the number of U.S. military deaths announced on Saturday.”
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January 20th, 2007 at 1:30 pmHere’s your story, Jay.
Maybe your post was deleted because TP didn’t want you stealing their thunder?
January 20th, 2007 at 1:33 pmTP should give Jay a “hat tip.”
January 20th, 2007 at 1:34 pmTrip > who knows? My post has appeared back on the other thread for the moment anyways. Could be a glitch, TP deleting it, or a Pentagon cyber attack on the thread?!
January 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pmPentagon cyber attack on the thread?!
Comment by Jay Randal — January 20, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Now that’s intersting an interesting thought… Could one of the trolls be hacking into TP trying to silence the opposition considering it cost them the House and Senate?
I know virtually nothing about how computers work.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pmSo, who really wins in Bush’s “surge?”
From the article:
Each of these helicopters cost between $6,000,000 and $10,000,000 dollars, not counting interest, because the funding for Bush’s War is all borrowed money.
The $6 – $10 million dollars goes to War Profiteers. The more helicopters shot down, the greater the Profit. The young men and women killed all died for Bush’s “Noble Cause.”
January 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAll I know is I’ve frequented a LOT of message boards, ever since there were message boards (back in the old, old days of dialup BBSs).
Never have I see a problem like this…posts disappearing, and then magically reappearing later on (usually after the thread itself has moved on, effectively removing these ideas from the discussion).
If this is in fact a technical problem, one would expect the admins at TP to address it immediately, given the fact that numerous long-term contributors to this site are ready to walk away over the issue. I guess we’ll find out one way or the other soon enough.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI know virtually nothing about how computers work.
Comment by unbelievable — January 20, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Not the “trolls” in my opinion, but our very own Government. It has the capability to hack into any site. Remember, the NSA is monitoring all web traffic nowadays, looking for “terrorists” such as ourselves. After all, anyone who disagrees with the Government is a potential “terrorist” an must be watched.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:47 pmFaire > Huey Helicopter company made a fortune during Vietnam war. Over 500 chopers crashed or shot down and they got to replace them.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pmIf this is in fact a technical problem, one would expect the admins at TP to address it immediately…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 20, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
i’ve suggested that TP should look closely at the voting record of the IP person… heh…
January 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmbut, i also think it could very well be govnmt bug of some sorts…
nothing would surprise me…
This should get more play on a site such as ThinkProgress.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:59 pmFaire > I think a cyber attacker lurks on TP and they would have to be related to some government agency.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:00 pm“There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We can reduce the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to… The Outer Limits.” — Opening narration – The Control Voice – 1960s
January 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pm… i was there…
In other news:
January 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Faire > anything Bush touches turns to crap, so if he has a plan for healthcare, then expect it to cost like buying another house. Bush gets 100% medical and dental care paid by us taxpayers, so he would be wise to shut up!
Press is now reporting that an additional 3 soldiers were killed in Iraq today, so 16 so far.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:11 pmBring the Mandate for Peace to Washington DC on Jan. 27
November 13th, 2006
Tell the New Congress:
Act NOW to Bring the Troops Home!
Join United for Peace and Justice in a massive march on Washington, D.C., on Sat., January 27, to call on Congress to take immediate action to end the war.
On Election Day the voters delivered a dramatic, unmistakable mandate for peace. Now it’s time for action. On January 27, 2007, we will converge from all around the country in Washington, D.C. to send a strong, clear message to Congress and the Bush Administration: The people of this country want the war and occupation in Iraq to end and we want the troops brought home now!
January 20th, 2007 at 2:14 pmWe kill more US troops by noontime than any terrorist organization does by 5.
Who says this administration isn’t ambitious? If you looked at the casualty numbers for January prior to today, you would’ve noted a dramatic decline in deaths from the last murderous month. But the law of averages being what it is…
We’re going to be suffering through years of nightmares and post traumatic stress disorder long after this junta leaves the Hill.
You think I’m resorting to hyperbole? Check this out and tell me that the national PTSD isn’t already setting in. This post is based on perhaps the most incredible thing I’ve ever had told to me.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pmNow that’s intersting an interesting thought… Could one of the trolls be hacking into TP trying to silence the opposition considering it cost them the House and Senate?
I know virtually nothing about how computers work.
Comment by unbelievable
Please tell me you are not buying into Rachel’s crap. You are much too intelligent for that.
The government maybe….
January 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAs this administration ’surges’, the numbers of our dead soldiers will “surge” commensurately! That’s a given. Don’t need a crystal ball or intelligence over room temperature to figure that one out.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThe ONLY ones winning the war in Iraq are the “war profiteers” – everyone knows that. Now it’s time to “out” them sufficiently….we already know that Cheney’s pension comes from his old company Halliburton (no bid contract in Iraq who cannot account for billions of taxpayer dollars they received)…..Carlyle Group, of which old Pappy Bush is on the board of directors (he got his bud’s butts out of NYC where they were meeting on 9/10 in a hurry – even when airspace was totally closed in this country….secret flights? Hmmmm. yeparoo!)….and I’m sure there are others where the Bush Crime Family have vested interest. This, along with the thought of controlling the Oil in Iraq (which blew up in their faces!) is THE only reason we are sacrificing the lives of over 3,000 of our military…..yep….to make Bush and Cheney Crime Families richer than rich! What a deal! What a country! What bold faced and overt crime!
January 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pmSince I frequent TP and post irregularly, I’m not following the comments about some Rachel and hackers….all I know is that the trolls have nothing better to do with their time than to try to hijack the threads of all progressive blogs with their repugnant, regressive tactics.
I’d suggest a third theory, though…..It’s Orwell’s BIG BROTHER! That’s my guess! But, “only the shadow knows”….
January 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmveritas
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’” –1984, George Orwell
January 20th, 2007 at 3:34 pm[...] More comments: here. [...]
January 20th, 2007 at 4:32 pmOut of 450 shoulder-fired missiles handed over to the insurgency by the incompetents at CENTCOM, there are now something like 445 still unfired.
Two helicopters last Fall, this one, how many more Lebanons worth of Marines will Buscho race to cash in?
January 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pmEveryone see “Iraq for Sale”?
I may be mistaken, but I think I heard that the families who sued Blackwater for their reckless abandonment of their employees are themselves being counter-sued by Blackwater. Something about breach of contract.
As pointed out here, the fortunes to be made in war are behind the madness.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:44 pmToday, I read of 13 deaths in the helicopter crash (shot down?) three more killed with IEDs, and 5 more killed in a battle south of Baghdad. That makes 21 for today.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWe must leave Iraq. Goddamn those who profit from this.
How can there possibly be any “surge” in the numbers of soldiers in Iraq when their numbers are constantly being reduced by ghastly numbers of casualties? Can’t George Bush even do simple arithmetic? Aparently not. Congress has got to being this disaster to an end. If they raised taxes to make this war a pay as you go program, even the people who still support Bush would demand that it end.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#1. Juan. Since the Democrats now control Congress, don’t they now share half the responsibility for the war dead, because they have the ability to defund the war and bring the troops home, but won’t act? Maybe a more appropriate comment would have been: ‘Go Bush, Go Dems!’
January 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmNo paul, GWB holds all of the responsibility for the war dead, since this is his war for vanity and profit.
The Dems won’t act? Give it a rest, paul, and try to think for yourself.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:54 pmStupid Repugs will try to pin the guilt and responsibility for this madness in Iraq on Democrats.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:03 pmNot so fast — this is Bush’s war, fought Bush’s way, on Bush’s lies; this is his problem, he created it. All he does is criticize anyone who offers an alternative.
Zooey. I am saying the Dems won’t act. They got elected in November by convincing voters that they would bring the troops home. If we are losing on average 3 soldiers a day (on some days, many more); and if Democrats in Congress are convinced the effort in Iraq is fruitless; and if they are really as concerned about soldiers dying as they say; they have had 2 months (since November) and many more before that to agree that defunding the war over Bush’s objections is the only way to bring home the troops. Again, if it were as important as they led you to believe in November, it would have been the first bill offered during the first 100 hours (not raising the minimum wage or simply opposing a surge). If you were seriously against this war, and not just covering for your party in Congress, you would agree. They are failing to act to defund the war because they fear the political consequences. With leadership comes responsibility. Progressives here should really be concerned if Clinton or Obama are able to win in ‘08. Then Democrats will be expected to offer solutions and not just complaints. What do you think? :)
January 20th, 2007 at 7:11 pmPaul, the Dems have been in power for 16 frickin’ days! It’s gonna take a little longer than that to clean up the pile of shit that’s accumulated over the last 6 years. Don’t be daft. Stop watching Fox.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pm#31 – paul,
January 20th, 2007 at 7:28 pmYou have hit the nail on the head, the USA has neither leadership nor responsibility. We need to purge these neocons.
Zooey. I think you’re great, but we are talking past one another. They were able to bring a bill to raise the minimum wage on day number 1. If they sincerely believe the war is a disaster and can’t be won; and understand that 3 soldiers are dying every day, why aren’t they willing to do whatever it takes to bring the troops home and stop the bleeding? There was no hesitation in October and November about what needed to be done; when they wanted your vote and when many on my side of the political fence were saying that it wasn’t quite so simple. You have to admit the change in atmosphere now that we are debating an increase in troop levels, and you can’t even get the front runners (Clinton) to commit to troop withdrawl or time table. It is really not a crazy question to ask. I have admitted my misgivings about Bush and the Republican party when I have felt it warranted. (you know that is true) It is okay for you, staying true to your anti-war roots, to do the same with the Democratic party.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWith leadership comes responsibility…
Comment by paul — January 20, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
the neoCON bushbots were the leaders into this awful mess and they all share responsibility for this awful mess…
your kind make me sick… and you can’t even be pithy…
January 20th, 2007 at 7:42 pmstop trying to antagonize, and feign interest in ending this fiasco…
Bush has been in the leadership for 6 years. He has made some very unpopular decisions. But at least when he says he is going to do something, he does it. Democrats said they would bring the troops home. We’ll see. By the way, anyone else appreciate 5 and a half years free from domestic terror attacks after being drawn into a global war on terror. Thank you, President Bush.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:43 pmkaty. I don’t want us to surrender in Iraq, so Islamic jihadists can turn their attention to your hometown.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:46 pmIt is okay for you, staying true to your anti-war roots, to do the same with the Democratic party.
Comment by paul
I have no misgivings. Who says they’re not willing to work on stopping the war and bring the troops home? It’s being worked on, paul, amazingly enough the Dems can do more than one thing at a time, and it’s not renaming cafeteria food or proclaiming “Sanctity of Life Day.”
Hillary Clinton is one Senator among 100, why do you assign her so much power?
Ah, if only war was as simple as the minimum wage issue….
January 20th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThank you, President Bush.
Comment by paul
With that, I’m done.
See ya in hell, paul.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:53 pmZooey. I’m sure you would be good company. I also image you are not as monolithic in real life as you portray here. Peace.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmMaybe a more appropriate comment would have been: ‘Go Bush, Go Dems!’
Comment by paul
I really dont care about Dems, paul. The only thing clear as water is that Bush initiated an occupation in Iraq, these are the kids dying becuz your president, who you seem to be so much fond of, said that Saddam was a threat to the world, that was crap, f course. 95% of world population and some US citizens knew that. You still think that your weapons and chemicals are for national defense against the enemy in turn. This particular time have brought us the evil Muslims as the evil doers and foes to beat. You swallow all your government lies as if they were paying you. Your president said Saddam was a dictator, why he was put by the CIA in the first place? You never question this cuz is uncomfortable to think for your own, you rather spend your time hating those who are different from you and supporting the shameful US foreign policy. Its ok, its your life, however, I really wish you could spend some time traveling, hopefully to the middle east and see with your own eyes the destruction and the thousands of dead people that you, in some way, are responsible of.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pmI also image you are not as monolithic in real life as you portray here. Peace.
Comment by paul
Also completely beside the point.
Yes, I agree — Peace.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:46 pmPaul,
January 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI would hope that you are not as pathetic in real life as you portray yourself here. Peace.
“monolithic” ??? … whaaaa???
January 20th, 2007 at 9:58 pm“monolithic†??? … whaaaa???
Comment by katy
He thinks maybe I’m not fabulous. :(
Heh.
January 20th, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by paul — January 20, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
I’ll go you one better. The Democrats NEVER filibustered funding Bush’s War. Republicans are not afraid to filibuster anything. What the hell, they pulled their first filibuster on ETHICS REFORM!!!
Democrats also did not filibuster the Military Commissions Act, nor the appointments of Roberts, Alito nor a host of other Federal Judges.
Democrats have been enablers. And Paul is right. Defunding the War could have been their top priority, but it wasn’t. Impeaching the entire Bush Administration could have been their top priority. Instead, they took Impeachment off the table immediately after the election.
If we don’t hold EVERYONE accountable, who will?
January 20th, 2007 at 10:13 pmI sure as hell don’t, because I believe the Bush Administration carried out the attack on 9/11!
January 20th, 2007 at 10:14 pmyour kind make me sick… and you can’t even be pithy…
stop trying to antagonize, and feign interest in ending this fiasco…
Comment by katy
I wish we could stop all the hateful speech. It really drags us all down . . .
January 20th, 2007 at 10:58 pmOh, yeah, I forgot: /sarcasm.
January 20th, 2007 at 11:01 pmIf we don’t hold EVERYONE accountable, who will?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Oy. If you put it that way…ok.
Continental shift….
January 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmyou think that was hateful, barfly?
January 20th, 2007 at 11:19 pmhuh…
The Dems won’t act? Give it a rest, paul, and try to think for yourself.
Comment by Zooey
Inaction is still a course of action that carries an amount of responsibility
January 20th, 2007 at 11:33 pmkaty and Zooey,
You may not like the way paul makes his point, but he has a valid one. One that I have been trying to make all along.
Yes, Bush drug us into this war. Yes the 109th Congress rubber stamped it. But NO ONE did anything to stop it. Talk of opposing it is not enough.
No filbusters for 4 years now. It seens to me like it wasn’t an issue until election time. Then it was priority #1. On Nov 8th, it went back to the back of the line.
the 110th Congress can end this in one day, if they chose to. They have had time to study it from all sides. There is plenty of talk and symbolic action. Where is the real action?
January 20th, 2007 at 11:42 pmthe 110th Congress can end this in one day, if they chose to.
Comment by hacker bob
Just like the troops, robert. And you dont blame them as a whole…
January 21st, 2007 at 12:04 am[Pres Bush] has made some very unpopular decisions.
Comment by paul — January 20, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
What is wrong with his decisions is not their popularity, but their foolishness. The word “disastrous” is a better description.
But at least when he says he is going to do something, he does it.
I see: If someone threatens with sending the country down the toilet, and actually does it, they deserve praise.
You are such a perspicacious man, Paul.
By the way, anyone else appreciate 5 and a half years free from domestic terror attacks after being drawn into a global war on terror. Thank you, President Bush.
Establishing a causal relationship between two events that are unrelated is a logical fallacy, Paul. It also begs the question. On the same token, I could say I am thankful to Pres Bush we haven’t been invaded by little green men from outer space.
I don’t want us to surrender in Iraq, so Islamic jihadists can turn their attention to your hometown.
Comment by paul — January 20, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
More logical fallacies: Fight them over there or fight them over here. This one is a false choice.
“Surrender in Iraq”? How is withdrawing from an invaded country -that posed no threat- a “surrender”? If anything, it’s giving it back to the people it belongs to.
What if American troops were withdrawn from Iraq and…. nothing happened? Because the people the US is fighting in Iraq are pissed off Iraqis who want the American troops out of their country.
I bet you haven’t thought of the irony the US finds itself in: Fighting the same people they’re supposed to be “liberating”.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amJust like the troops, robert. And you dont blame them as a whole…
Comment by Juan C
The troops are doing their job. That is the difference. The Congress did not do their job (109th) and we are waiting for the 110th to do it.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amHow many more dead can we take?
1,000?
10,000?
And not just American dead, I’m talkin about Iraqis as well…
January 21st, 2007 at 12:50 amPhuoc Bush
HB has a point. Democrats never filibustered funding for Bush’s War.
On the other hand, the Republicans came back swinging with a filibuster during the 1st 100 hour agenda. Their number 1 priorty to filibuster? Ethics Reform!
Why wasn’t this War on the 1st 100 hour agenda? Why aren’t our soldier’s lives top priority?
Why was Impeachment pulled off the table?
HOW MANY KIDS ARE GOING TO DIE BEFORE CONGRESS PUTS A HALT TO THIS INSANITY!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:16 amBAD DAY FOR IMPERIALISM.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:47 am“They got elected in November by convincing voters that they would bring the troops home.” — paul
The above FABRICATION is a classic in the field.
When and with what words did “the Dems” en banc convince voters that they would bring the troops home? When did they even claim that they COULD bring the troops home.
What they said was that they supported redeploying the troops.
The ‘Out of Iraq Caucus’ definitely supports “[trying] to increase pressure on the Bush administration and Congress to end the Iraq conflict and bring American forces home.”
It has 50 members. The caucus has 49 + 233 seats = 282 members.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Out_of_Iraq_Congressional_Caucus
So it is easy to see that “the Dems” did not and could not and maybe even WOULD NOT promote that false idea. The Dems clearly won because Gw scares the crap out of sane Americans.
• The left in general has been told in recent weeks that the Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam war, and so stopped it.
The claim, made by American Progress itself, is a half-truth at best. Did the Congress cut off military funding for SE Asia? Yes they did.
• After Nixon had resigned and been pardoned, and the war had more or less ended.
Without that little tidbit, the factoid is highly misleading. No Congress has ever defunded a war that had not ground to a halt anyhow. Are we there yet?
Nimitz group is steaming to the Gulf right now. That will make THREE carrier groups in the Persian Gulf.
Since Bushco plans on attacking Iran, the Congress is not likely to be able to stop those aggressions for some months, if at all.
Wish it were different, but no need to lie to ourselves.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:35 am“HOW MANY KIDS ARE GOING TO DIE BEFORE CONGRESS PUTS A HALT TO THIS INSANITY!!!” –Briseadh na Faire
How many kids did LBJ and Nixon kill with a mandatory draft?
The moral outrage has to turn to LEGAL ACTION.
It is not (by a long shot) enough to demand that the Congress stop the Iraq war.
For one main thing, 49 seats in the Senate is BARELY control. You are DREAMING if you think that Leader Reid can stop Bushco by legislation.
Bushco has to be stopped by OUTING THEIR CRIMES, AND DEMANDING JUSTICE.
They are CRIMINALS. The work of the Congress is to investigate the crimes and expose them. Legislation is not the solution to untried crimes. Investigations are a far more powerful tool than a legislative route to stopping a hot war — which has never worked in history.
Bushco will not fall without nationwide protests for justice that expose the true criminality of the Bush maladministration, conspiracy, and treason.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:45 amIn a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:50 am-George Orwell
#61, I totally agree. Mere impeachment is only the beginning. These political gangsters need to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The violations they have commited against the constitution warrant a treasonous offense and should be undertaken that seriously. If everyone speaks out loud enough, the subject will have to be heard and the issue addressed. Let’s do it for all the young men and women who have already given thier all. and the others who are still over there in Iraq, waiting and wanting to come home.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 am