As Bush Celebrates ‘Sanctity Of Human Life Day,’ NIH Official Says Stem Cell Policy Is Blocking Cures
As Bush Celebrates ‘Sanctity Of Human Life Day,’ NIH Official Says Stem Cell Policy Is Blocking Cures
President Bush yesterday issued a formal White House proclamation declaring January 21 to be “National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 2007.”
National Sanctity of Human Life Day helps foster a culture of life and reinforces our commitment to building a compassionate society that respects the value of every human being. …
One of our society’s challenges today is to harness the power of science to ease human suffering without sanctioning practices that violate the dignity of human life. With the right policies, we can continue to achieve scientific progress while living up to our ethical and moral responsibilities.
On the very same day, Story Landis, the National Institutes of Health official overseeing President Bush’s restrictive embryonic stem cell policy, suggested that Bush’s approach is delaying life-saving cures in “an unusually blunt assessment for an executive branch official.”
When Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) asked her how the policy was affecting medical research, she said, “We are missing out on possible breakthroughs.” The ability to work on newly derived stem cell colonies — precluded from federal funding under the Bush plan — “would be incredibly important,” she added.
Landis also declared that “science works best when scientists can pursue all avenues of research. If the cure for Parkinson’s disease or juvenile diabetes lay behind one of four doors, wouldn’t you want the option to open all four doors at once instead of one door?”
The promise of stem cell research is clear. In just the last six months, media reports have noted that embryonic stem cells have been used to help paralyzed rats walk; to create T-cells, which could lead to a cure for AIDS; to slow vision loss in rats; to reduce the symptoms of Parkinson’s disease in rats; to create insulin-secreting cells, which could be used to treat diabetes; and to make a vaccine that protects mice from lung cancer; to create cardiovascular “precursor” cells, which could be used to treat heart disease.
President Bush says he plans to veto the stem cell research bill passed last week by the House of Representatives.
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that are not iraqis, unlawful combatants or american soldiers
January 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThey forgot to add “once it leaves the womb.”
January 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmDubya has great respect for single cell “human beings”, but less respect for the multi-cellular variety, such as the people in Iraq.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pmAnd how many Iraqi or Afghan civilians, or American soldiers, die needlessly on National Sanctity of Human Life Day?
This President is a black-hearted bastard, period.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:04 pmIn Bush’s 60 Minutes interview, I found one comment he made especially enlightening. (Perhaps is was my view of HIS ’service’ during Vietnam as opposed to my four years.)
Anyhow he was questioned about having just spoken to soldiers at Ft. Benning and his feelings about sending some of these soldiers back to Iraq for a third, or fourth time.
I’m paraphrasing, but he essentially stated that he felt the difference was due to the difference between being drafted and volunteering.
If you’re drafted, and promised that you’ll only serve one year in a combat zone, that’s one thing. If, however, you volunteer no matter what the government promises you, they could send you back as many times as they needed. Just keep sending you back time and time again.
Sanctity of life? GWB’s and no one else.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThe way to get our nation back on track in stem cell research is to impeach Bush for his FISA violations. Please vote and read the commentary if you care:
http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2007/ 1/ 20/ 145852/ 345
January 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“…to create T-cells, which could lead to a cure for AIDS;”
BIG problem right there. Drug companies are making fortunes off of the drugs that only prolong your life. Rather than curing you completely - you have to depend on the drug for the rest of you life.
And this is true for other illnesses as well. There is no way Bush will allow an end to civilians depending on the drug companies.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThe administration’s stance on stem cell research is archaic and will put this country below the rest of the world in terms of scientific advancement very fast. At this point, we’re descending rapidly. Unfortunately, these myopic Rethugs can’t see the forest for the trees - being a ’superpower’ isn’t only measured militarily…..it’s economically, scientifically, educationally, etc. Myopia is a symptom of an administration which doesn’t seem to be able to find it’s “way” out of a paper bag with one way signs written all over it!
This administration has become the proverbial lab rats in a maze to nowhere.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#7 It wouldn’t surprise me if we already have a cure for cancer as some purport that we do but it is being squelched by the Big Pharma which runs this country. After all, why should the exact same medication cost l/2 as much in Canada as it does here? It’s called greed, corruption, and an administration which cares more about lining the pockets of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and Big Oil than taking care of it’s people. This is the classic definition of FASCISM, folks! We’ve got it going on right now….as the last vestiges of our floundering democracy vanish from the radar screen, we will all awaken to the reality that fascism is already here! Alive and well in the old US of A!
January 20th, 2007 at 3:21 pmWhen it comes to a good percentage of people being forced to either eat or pay for their drugs to keep them healthy, the system is irrevocably broken!
January 20th, 2007 at 3:22 pmveritas sez:
veritas, google ‘Kevin Trudeau’
January 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmJanuary 20th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
National Sanctity of Human Life Day helps foster a culture of life and reinforces our commitment to building a compassionate society that respects the value of every human being. …
This is great news - must mean that Bush is now against the death penalty.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:53 pmGeorge W. Bush is a f*cking hypocrit. Yep.
Same Sh*t, Different Day.
Back to my Geology…
January 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmn#11 TripMaster Monkey - Thanks for the suggestion. I have Kevin’s book and I guess the evidence is mounting that, just like the bill of goods (lies) people were fed about the dangers of tobacco (big tobacco lobbies keeping truth from the people) where they actually advertised that “one out of three doctors smoke Lucky Strike”….add insult to injury anyone??), now the gag order is on scientists coming up with the truth about cancer. Imagine how much the “on-the-take drug companies” would lose if this were true. The charges for traditional chemo (CHOP) and the new variety of pharma-cocktails is astronomical! Imagine the losses these thugs would experience?
Small wonder why there’s lobbying and collusion to keep prices of drugs to americans twice what they are to Canadians….we’re stupid enough to pay it!
That goes without saying….the longer we, as Americans, resist impeachment of a president who has at least ten articles of impeachment of high crimes & misdemeanors against him….the longer we, as Americans, reach a new level of stupidity and collusion……
The only answer to all that’s wrong with this country is impeachment of Cheney first…and then Bush.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pm#13….tongue in cheek nonwithstanding….Governor (Darth) Bush put more people to death in his term than any other standing Governor in this Country….and probably smirked all the way!
January 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pmComment by BlueSky — January 20, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
January 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pmComment by BlueSky — January 20, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
January 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmROFLMAO.
DON’T COUNT YOUR EGGS.
#13….tongue in cheek nonwithstanding….Governor (Darth) Bush put more people to death in his term than any other standing Governor in this Country….and probably smirked all the way!
Comment by veritas — January 20, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
There have now been 12 people in a single county in Texas freed by DNA eveidence due to the innocence project. Given Texas’ proclivity for jailing everything and everybody that might be guilty, I wonder how many of the people Bush insisted on executing were innocent. One reason he has no problem with people dying In Iraq is that he has no problem with people dying period, espcially if thee is a political advantage to be gained from it. Blocking stem cell research is just part of the pattern, he deosn’t care who might benefit and he thinks there is a political advantage in it.
What a bastard.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmYes, I’m sure Ted Bundy commented publicly that “he slept well at night”, too….a true sociopath kills without any remorse because they lack the insight and human conscience most of us have. In that way, they’re like cyborgs….nothing going on in the heart or between the ears that resembles empathy, compassion, guilt or remorse. Sadly, this president continues to illustrate these symptoms….guess he’s had this disease for a very long time.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“Sanctity of Human Life Day”? Are you serious? Not only is the idea ludicrous, but Premier Bush has less respect for human life than any president in history.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI hear that the appointee thinks that workers should get a break purchasing their own health insurance. wonder how much he got paid by the insurance lobby for saying that in public?
take away our medicare, then give it to his friends in the insurance industry with his “finders fee”
health care will be universal Mr. Preznit, and the country will pay for it. You know, like civilized nations do?
January 20th, 2007 at 4:44 pmdo what you are told or you are going to be impeached. (sorry, there is nothing that is going to prevent your impeachment now)
Bush is a sociopath. He doesn’t care about the lives of others. At all.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThat goes without saying….the longer we, as Americans, resist impeachment of a president who has at least ten articles of impeachment of high crimes & misdemeanors against him….the longer we, as Americans, reach a new level of stupidity and collusion……
The only answer to all that’s wrong with this country is impeachment of Cheney first…and then Bush.
Comment by veritas — January 20, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
I agree 100% with you, hence my “moniker.” This group are the most dangerous threat ever to our democracy, civil liberties, and world peace, and they have run amok. And I thought Nixon was scary back in the day. In comparison, he looks like a saint.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:45 pmVeritas,
” Rethugs can’t see the forest for the trees.”
What trees? What trees? There’s still a few trees left, but alarm bells are ringing.
I’m beginning to think that folks outside our country should be paying even less than they’re currently paying for medications. These folks are financing our huge ESCALATING, SURGING debt. If they aren’t depositing their money in our banks, we’re in big, big, big trouble. We’ve got to sweet-talk these folks.
For them, all cancer drugs should be a $1.00. Parkinson’s drugs should be a $1.00. Maybe that’s too much money? These wonderful folks deserve cheap drugs.
Eventually, they’ll be depositing their money in foreign banks. Our country takes their American investments for granted, and that’s not going to last forever. Nothing lasts forever! Nothing! At that point we’ll be begging for their money, and as an incentive to invest here: ALL medications will be free. While their medications will be free, ours won’t. No doubt we’ll be paying a four-fold, or ten-fold, or twenty-fold increase.
Forget maple trees, oak trees, and elm trees! WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MONEY TREES.
John
January 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI’d like Bushie to explain how he can promote the “sanctity of life” while he sends our young people off to fight and die in his illegitimate war.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmAll he cares about is pandering to his fundamentalist base who LOVE the unborn and ignore the ones who are already born with his defunding of all health care and educational programs.
When Bush says God speaks to him — I think Bush is rally hearing the voices in his own head. Some would calla that insanity.
I call him a hypocritical liar.
This shows how terribly ignorant the moron in chief is.Protecting life includes fighting against global warming, not sending your troop to a certain death and allowing our scientist to develop stem cell-based cures.
Bush’ s sectarian protection of life is related to christian (false) teachings.Definitely he’s an idiot….
January 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pmMalaligned priorities, repeated failures in judgment, maniacal decision making, and lack of human conscience…..all textbook symptoms of sociopathy and profound mental illness. “Bush on the Couch” by Justin A. Frank, M.D. is a “must read” in order to understand the depth and breadth of this mental disorder obviously afflicting this president. It’s very sad that this man has been allowed to destroy this country and all it has stood for as he has. It’s time for him to take a “medical leave of absence” or stand by for impeachment. These are the only choices the american people will give him.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#23…you’re right….the definition of a sociopath is that they kill and commit crimes for which remorse is impossible. Their mind is incapable of insight and they have no conscience at all. Bush is textbook.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:30 pmMarie,
Bush is sending our troops to Iraq to essentially save his butt. He made a series of miscalculations, and he’s desperately trying to save his butt. I question whether he really cares about the tremendous loss of life.
DESPERATE PEOPLE DO DESPERATE THINGS. George W. Bush is desperate. His face, while giving his national speech, spelled desperate all over it. He’s boxed in a corner and he won’t admit defeat.
At this point he’s delusional. “GOD, HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME! How could you do this to me?Everyone in my life has bailed me out when I failed, and why have you forsaken me? Why? Why? Why? Why?”
Yeah, George, keep talking to that mysterious voice in the sky. Keep talking, and talking, and talking , and talking, and talking.
John
January 20th, 2007 at 5:31 pmEven his Methodist church doesn’t want his library on their grounds. He is the antithesis of christianity. Falsely defending sanctity of life while doing all he can to worsen the human condition in the country.
Look at his face during interviews — when asked about war and death, he smiles. There is nothing honest about Bush - he appears completely without conscience and morals.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#25 Hey John…you’re absolutely correcto! We need “money trees”. Just look what’s happening to the american dollar internationally and it tells us that it’s either time to pull our money from american institutions and invest abroad (of course FISA is in the middle of everyone’s bank accounts these days, too!)….This country is headed for an economic crash which will make the Great Depression look like child’s play. For starters, China owns 30% (at least) of this country’s national debt and can crash us if they desire any day of the week….
No country ever made it very long without fiscal accountability; that is, balancing debits and credits. This indecent, amoral national debt to finance this death hole in Iraq is an abominable, irrevocable mistake and will tank this country before long.
Where is the money promised our own citizens who were victimized by Katrina????? Another Bushitco lie!
Any sociopath creates his reality as he goes…which is always out of step with the truth….All Bush has done to us is lie, lie, lie. And he’s still residing in the White House….what’s up with that?
January 20th, 2007 at 5:35 pmJohn G.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe old testament God would surely rebuke Bush - maybe smite him and turn him into a snake or a pillar of salt.
Gotta appeal to my base, and those sucker Evangelicals who keep buyin’ this crap. As long as Corporate Media keeps buryin’ the fact that them in veetro clinics throw away them blast-o-sites or whatever the hell they’re called, I kin keep givin’ lip service to the Sanc-titty of Life.
Hey Rove, when do I git to Bomb Iran??
January 20th, 2007 at 5:35 pmDontcha wish you could balance your checkbook and manage your budget ala Bush style?? You’d be homeless in a flash.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAs I say….if you want to see it from a professional’s point of view, after working with many sociopathic patients, read “Bush On The Couch” by Justin A. Frank, M.D. It’ll scare the hell out of you!
January 20th, 2007 at 5:37 pm#33….He already is a snake! Snakes in the White House - coming to theatres near you soon!
January 20th, 2007 at 5:37 pmABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:38 pm#32 veritas,
Where is the money promised our own citizens who were victimized by Katrina
Have you heard Michael Brown’s latest charges against Bush&Co regarding Katrina? He said the White House played and is playing politics with LA, because of the female Democratic Governor, among other things. And I do recall that it was none other than Karl Rove who was assigned the task of coordinator of Katrina relief.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:38 pm#24…. Wholeheartedly agree….we’re at threat from our own “enemy within” - those wolves in sheep’s clothing who are paid to be our public servants….they’re public enemies in disguise. Dangerous, twisted, amoral men doing criminal things. This administration will go down in the history of this country as THE singular, most corrupt administration in modern times. Bush, Cheney, Rice, et al will become the villains of future americans.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:40 pmComment by Zooey — January 20, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Good news, Zooey, there’s not that much geology to study:
Museum Claims Earth is 6,000 Years Old
January 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pmHey Marie! Yes, heard songbird Brownie boy spewing his garbage in trying to make the female dem governor the “fall girl”. Won’t work. Everyone knows that the White House and Homeland Security was clearly IN CHARGE from the top. Besides, even if some underling in the chain of command was culpable in some way, it’s of little consequence since, in this country, THE BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP. It’s time we americans began to stand up for the “we” in “we, the people” and bring these criminals to the justice they deserve.
I only wish I’d kept a daily log of the ongoing lies, misstatements, errors in judgment, and downright criminal activities of this administration so I could write a book! It makes people’s head’s spin to even begin to wrap one’s mind around this level of sickening corruption…..smell that Washington stench??? Guess Chavez did!
January 20th, 2007 at 5:44 pmGood news, Zooey, there’s not that much geology to study:
Museum Claims Earth is 6,000 Years Old
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Waaah!!! $80 and this book is all wrong!
4.5 billion years old… pffftt!
January 20th, 2007 at 5:54 pmveritas:
http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
January 20th, 2007 at 5:55 pm#42 veritas
“I only wish I’d kept a daily log of the ongoing lies, misstatements, errors in judgment, and downright criminal activities of this administration.”
You would need an extra room to store all those notebooks!
In the summer of 2001, I started keeping copies of news articles, columnists, my own letters to the editor, and pertinent information regarding the record of the Bush administration. I have filled one storage box (in the basement) and have enough here to fill another.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pmI should have been more organized. I had no idea in that first summer that there would be so much to document.
Oh, the irony.
When it comes to doing whatever he wants to do, Bush always wants “all options on the table.” That includes war, which takes lives.
When it comes to scientists wanting to have “all options on the table,” Bush says “no.” That includes the possibility of medical breakthroughs that will save lives.
And he has the chutzpah to declare “sanctity of human life day.”
Oh, the irony.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:02 pmYeah. The champion of the death penalty and the senseless carnage in Iraq declare the “Sanctity Of Human Life Day”.
Might as well call the area headed up by Alberto Gonzales “The Justice Department.”
What a joke…
January 20th, 2007 at 6:06 pmThat anyone of Bush&Co could even utter the words “sanctity of life” is oxymoronic.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pmToday: 13 deaths in the helicopter crash (shot down?) three more killed with IEDs, and 5 more killed in a battle south of Baghdad. That makes 21 for today.
This is the example of Bushie’s regard for “sanctity of life.”
Dubya has great respect for single cell “human beingsâ€, but less respect for the multi-cellular variety, such as the people in Iraq.
Comment by nineteen84 — January 20, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
That’s because GW Botch is a single cell “human being!!!”
January 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmComment by veritas — January 20, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
just wonderin’ - does mr trudeau EVER answer any questions in that book? … i heard otherwise… i almost bit…
DON’T COUNT YOUR EGGS.
Comment by Freedom — January 20, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
why not?
January 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmyou probably mean - don’t count your chickens (till the eggs hatch)
…
This is a joke, right?
A man responsible for the daily deaths of people around the world - both in Iraq and at home where blocking stem cell research is denying some a cure - has the audacity to promote such a hypocritical gesture?
How far will he lower the bar? Sheesh…
January 20th, 2007 at 6:49 pmBush is a sociopath. He doesn’t care about the lives of others. At all.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 20, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Why he should be forced to live in Iraq - outside the Green Zone - until he gets it, even if only from a self-serving perspective.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pmHow can the world be only 6,000-years-old? Heck, I’m 6,000-years-old, myself.
Yes, Veritas, the financial solvency of this country is going to evaporate. Cheney once said that deficits don’t matter, but that’s nonsense. The war alone is quite expensive. The first wave of boomers are now 60-years-old. Bush, himself, is 60. They’re elgible to receive Social Security in only two, short years. Aging boomers are going to change a lot of things in this country.
There’s no guarantee foreign countries are going to finance our national debt. None!
Bush must be nuts. Does a rational person, living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, not seek advice from his father, a former president. It just doesn’t make sense why he would not seek his father’s opinions and input. He doesn’t have to necessarily agree with his opinions, but he can at least listen. You can’t listen if you’re not asking questions. From what I’ve read, George W. has little dialogue with his father. That’s crazy.
John
January 20th, 2007 at 7:43 pmMarie,
Bible?
George W. Bush linked to a Bible?
Bi, bull——————headed, yes.
John
January 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmDoes this supreme liar deserve a presidential library at Southern Methodist University? No! No! No! No!
Here’s a good location for this “lie” brary:
TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES, New Mexico.
Nothing about this president represents truth, SO HE’S GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.
TRUTH? Not from you, George.
Pay the CONSEQUENCES.
John
January 20th, 2007 at 8:12 pmWell, it’s a fun play on the name of a place for a location for the Boosch Lie-Brary, however, I must protest:
January 20th, 2007 at 8:25 pmNot in my back yard….
Tor C is also the location of a large and busy Veterans Home, and I seriously doubt Dubious would receive a welcome there…
John,
I love it!
Truth or Consequences, NM, site of the new George W. Bush Lie-brary.
Maybe a horticulturalist can develop lie-berry bushes and they can flank the walk to the entrance.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmThe ideal site for the G. W. Bush Presidential Library would be in Hell. Otherwise, he and members of his administration would be barred from visiting it in perpetuity.
January 20th, 2007 at 10:20 pmWhat did the US do to deserve Bush and NEO-IDIOTS our 7 year old has Type I Diabetes and Bush and his ilk are limiting the prospect of a cure.
And as for the stupid Evanglicals that put him power….RAPTURE MY ASS, the worlds greatest danger is not a SECOND COMING but the ASSHOLE in the Whitehouse….he knows the meaning of the world ASSHOLE but just about.
Can’t wait to say say YES Ms. President ….GO GIRL, Hillary you are our hope and we are not looking for perfection just caring decency.
January 20th, 2007 at 10:52 pmLet’s call it “Uneducated, Control-Freak, who uses Religion as a front for his own Mad Man Dictatorship Day”.
100 Trillion cells is what makes up a life. Not one hundred cells.
Here I’ll write it down for you…
100,000,000,000,000 vs 100.
Wow, do I think Pres. Bush is smarter and moral than me?, not by a long shot. Pres Bush is a primate.
2+2=4!
January 20th, 2007 at 10:55 pmMarijuana is probably the cure for cancer.
Two studies where the chemical THC (the primary psychoactive drug in Marijuana) was directly injected into tumors shrank and eliminated the cancer.
You can’t trust the govenment.
January 20th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThat anyone of Bush&Co could even utter the words “sanctity of life†is oxymoronic.
Today: 13 deaths in the helicopter crash (shot down?) three more killed with IEDs, and 5 more killed in a battle south of Baghdad. That makes 21 for today.
This is the example of Bushie’s regard for “sanctity of life.â€
Comment by Marie
3534,
That is the number of abortions performed every day in the US.
24% of pregnancies in the US are terminated by abortion.
Every day in the US, more children are aborted than there have been soldiers killed in 4 years in Iraq.
Every year, more children are aborted in the US than people killed in 4 years of Iraq ON BOTH SIDE OF THE WAR. 1.29 million per year.
talk about de-valueing human life.
just a thought
January 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmlink?…….
January 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pm3534,
That is the number of abortions performed every day in the US.
And how many were to protect the life or health of the mother, because the fetus had fatal deformities? How many because of an accident which kills the fetus? Car accidents? Slip and falls? Are these stats folded in?
talk about de-valueing human life.
Look who’s talking - your stat is questionable, at best.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:06 amtalk about de-valueing human life.
just a thought
Comment by hacker bob
If a pregnancy is not wanted, the life is devalued from the moment of conception.
Do you want to hear the stories I have about what happens to some children who were never wanted?
And yeah, I’d like to see a link for those stats, Robert. Thanks.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:12 amhere is the link
January 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amDo you want to hear the stories I have about what happens to some children who were never wanted?
Zooey, my wife used to work in the records dept at the PD. I have heard the stories.
And how many were to protect the life or health of the mother, because the fetus had fatal deformities? How many because of an accident which kills the fetus? Car accidents? Slip and falls? Are these stats folded in?
Comment by barfly
The question should be how many did NOT have these problems. Cases like you posted would be understandable.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:16 amFeatuses are not human beings. Stem cells are not human beings.
Iraqis ARE human beings. Prisoners on Death Row ARE human beings.
Spot the difference?
PS you do not abort children, you abort fetuses.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:23 amphil, when does a fetus become a child?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:28 amSo according to your link, Robert, the number of abortions are down, and only 2% of women have abortions. Not bad.
An embryo becomes a fetus at 8 weeks, and remains a fetus until birth.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:42 amDepends on your view, but certainly not less than 15 weeks after conception.
The vast majority of abortions are performed on fetuses still in the EMBRYO stage.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:43 amSo, 2% have abortions that make up 24% of pregnancies. wiht that said, it sounds like irresponsability. I know that is not the case in ALL cases.
An embryo becomes a fetus at 8 weeks, and remains a fetus until birth.
So abortion until birth is ok?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:48 amSo abortion until birth is ok?
Comment by hacker bob
No, I didn’t say that. You asked for a definition, and that’s the definition of a fetus.
I support a woman’s right to abortion, and having said that there’s very little reason to allow a pregnancy to continue to the third trimester and then decide to abort. Sometimes it’s necessary, and those times are rare. It’s between the doctor and the woman, not us.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:03 amwhen does a fetus become a child?
Comment by hacker bob — January 21, 2007 @ 12:28 am
After birth, Bob. It’s always been that way.
And it would have continued to be that way, hadn’t the false Christian prophets stepped into this issue, re-defining words in order to “energise their base”.
They call the fetus a “baby” so as to make an appeal to people’s emotions and frame the debate: Everyone loves babies, hence being pro-abortion is to be a “baby killer”.
You know someone is trying to sell you snake oil when they make appeal to your emotions but not your intellect.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:14 amThis from the president whose tenure as governor of Texas, saw the most executions of any period, and the lowest number of stays of execution.
Recognise, I am talking about Texas here.
Yep. Real culture of life.
This from the same guy, who as governor of Texas saw into state law, a law which made it legal for hospitals to cut people’s life support when they, or their families could no longer afford to pay for it. Oh, and then treat the Terry Schaivio case, where the woman had made it known that she didn’t want to be kept of life support, a national crisis because her family could pay.
Yep. Real culture of life.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:21 amWhat a joke for an anti-environmental, mass murdering war criminal to endorse the “sanctity of Life.”
The day these thugs are arrested and removed from office should be declared the “Sanctity of Democracy Day.”
January 21st, 2007 at 6:51 amHow bout show some santity over here Mr. Bush… I am sick, disabled and tried hard to overcome my disability, When I got off SS for 11 years, I did so with promises that should I need services again they would be available. Well, yeah they were…. but it has taken over five years… think lost insurance and stopped treatment Sir. SS case is still not closed. They say they committed no discrimination. But I am paying for my medicare and it doesn;t pay any of my doctors anymore. So I pay docs out of the pocket. The drug insurance just charges me a premium to deny my claims. So I pay them to tell me they wont pay for my meds. I lost everything I had tried to save as far as finances. I have no retirement. I have one presription due in 2 weeks that is $757.00 and my house payment is only $574.00 but even at that I can no longer either eat or go back to the doctor. I need to sell the car. I can;t afford gas or insurance. I need to be refunded my Medicare premiums because if you did that I could at least maybe eat and keep the house. A long time ago, I lost sight of what is truly important. How bout you?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:30 amSign me … a second class citizen living in a third world country that fights everybody everywhere about everything.
President Bush yesterday issued a formal White House proclamation declaring January 21 to be “National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 2007.â€
When did they change “Opposite Day” to January 21st?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:23 amIf Bush really believed in the sanctity of human life, he would not be waging an illegal, immoral, and unjustified war. This is kind of like naming Adolf Hitler the winner of ‘Humanitarian of the year’ award. Tell me King George, just who would Jesus bomb?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pmIf Bush’s sanctity of life were true, it would include all life and therefore executions as well. Yet many who oppose abortion don’t have a problem with execution. Even today when DNA is proving so many errors.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:53 pmNo one likes abortions (which is not a baby — is an acorn an oak tree?) - the goal is to reduce their number by education and contraceptives. Control over a female body is not a right of the state - it is an inherent right of the female whose body is the subject.
Unfortunately, to add to the misery, Bush has not only cut off funds for education and contraceptives, he has also cut health care and education for those who were not aborted and are, “babies.”
He also has shown his disrespect for those “children” who don the uniform and die in his war of lies.
62. Sorry hacker bob, you can not have absolute control over millions of humans, sorry little pathetic Hitler. It’s not your choice. You can’t have control over millions of people, millions of bodies which are not yours!
January 21st, 2007 at 2:25 pmThe idea these Radicals propose is they want to save lives. This is a con. Their objective is for absolute control over all the women in the United States. Control gives them the Power.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:31 pm62. Sorry hacker bob, you can not have absolute control over millions of humans, sorry little pathetic Hitler. It’s not your choice. You can’t have control over millions of people, millions of bodies which are not yours!
Comment by USA
Hey, Moron, did I say I was against a woman’s right to chose? Nope, sure didn’t.
But people need to be responsible. Number one, they need to do all they humanly can to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies. That would go a long way toward dragging this number down. Here is a hint: DON’T have unprotected sex unless you are ready to have a baby. Contraception may not be 100%, but the odds are more in your favor if you wrap it/ take the pill/ whatever.
People are going to have sex. But they need to be responsible about it.
As for the Hitler comparison: He killed millions that did not warrent it, same as abortion doctors. So, who is the Grand Executioner?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:03 pmBush is an idiot and a hypocrite.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:07 pmhttp://news.independent.co.uk/ world/ middle_east/ article2165470.ece
The battle to save Iraq’s children
Doctors issue plea to Tony Blair to end the scandal of medical shortages in the war zone
Colin Brown
The Independent
January 19, 2007
The desperate plight of children who are dying in Iraqi hospitals for the lack of simple equipment…is revealed today in a letter signed by nearly 100 eminent doctors.
They are backed by a group of international lawyers, who say the conditions in hospitals revealed in their letter amount to a breach of the Geneva conventions that require Britain and the US as occupying forces to protect human life.
“Sick or injured children who could otherwise be treated by simple means are left to die in hundreds because they do not have access to basic medicines or other resources,” the doctors say. “Children who have lost hands, feet and limbs are left without prostheses. Children with grave psychological distress are left untreated,” they add.
They say babies are being ventilated with a plastic tube in their noses and dying for want of an oxygen mask, while other babies are dying because of the lack of a phial of vitamin K or sterile needles… Hospitals have little hope of stopping fatal infections spreading from baby to baby because of the lack of surgical gloves…
January 21st, 2007 at 6:13 pmDunno if you saw it, but apparently the Grand Canyon scandal isn’t entirely true.
http://www.boingboing.net/ 2007/ 01/ 19/ grand_canyon_employe.html
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 amYa know - proponents of stem cell research are going about it all wrong. If we would just show a way that oil and pharmaceutical companies would get filthy rich off of stem cells, Dubya would be signing the bill in an instant.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:38 amIn a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:48 am-George Orwell
Moron-in-Chief Celebrates “Sanctity of Human Life Day”……
…those weren’t my words, that’s how a hardened leftist titled the e-mail he sent me that linked to this story. The lefty-goons loved it of course because a ranking Bush Admin official is criticizing the President. The left despise the fact that……
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmWE MUST KILL MORE BABIES!
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:49 pmFeatuses are not human beings.
By the fourth week of fetal age - a point where many women are still unaware of pregnancy or first learning that they are pregnant - what you call “not a human being” has a heartbeat.
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/ duringpregnancy/ fetaldevelopment.html
Support the right to choose - fine. But don’t nickel and dime what the developing baby is called just to reconcile in your mind that a life is not being snuffed out by someone playing God.
No, many women - many couples - are not at all “qualified” to be parents. Just because you cannot see the value of or care for the life you perhaps accidentally created doesn’t mean another person or couple who cannot conceive would not give the child a loving home. There are other options.
And not all people who are pro-life are also pro-death penalty, pro-war, and pro-Bush.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 pm