Hagel Says Cheney Criticism Is ‘Complete Nonsense’
Hagel Says Cheney Criticism Is ‘Complete Nonsense’
Last weekend on Fox News Sunday, Vice President Dick Cheney claimed congressional opposition to the administration’s escalation plan undermines the troops. Cheney said “you cannot run a war by committee,” and whatever Congress does “would not affect the president’s ability to carry out his policy.”
Today, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said it “is complete nonsense to say we’re undercutting the support of the troops.” Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, said that as a soldier in 1968, he “would have welcomed the Congress of the United States to pay a little attention as to what was going on.” Hagel added: “What are we about? We’re Article 1 of the Constitution. We are co-equal branch of government. Are we not to participate? Are we not to say anything? Are we not to register our sense of where we’re going in this country on foreign policy?”
Watch it:
Transcript:
SCHEIFFER: Let me ask you this, Senator. Vice President Cheney says this sort of thing undercuts the troops. What’s your response?
HAGEL: Let me tell you this. I served in Vietnam in 1968. Others did too. Jim Webb, John McCain. John Kerry. Other members in the House. In 1968 when I was there with my brother, worst year, deaths, I would have welcomed the Congress of the United States to pay a little attention as to what was going on. I would have welcomed that. That is complete nonsense to say we’re undercutting the support of the troops. What are we about? We’re Article 1 of the Constitution. We are co-equal branch of government. Are we not to participate? Are we not to say anything? Are we not to register our sense of where we’re going in this country on foreign policy? Bottom line is this: our young men and women and their families, these young men and women who are asked to fight and die deserve a policy worthy of those sacrifices. I don’t think we have one now.
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I don't care what Hagel's self-serving political reasons are for saying this - I'm glad he, a Republican, is saying it. It's the right thing to say.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:05 pm#1......I'll second that.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pmI've always liked what Hagel has had to say on the Iraq war. On this basis alone, he is one of the few Republicans I'd vote for president.
However, what troubles me is that Hagel has not seen much success translating his words into action in the Senate. Does he take his own words seriously enough to work to move his Republican colleagues in the same direction? Does he simply lack the political savvy to do so?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pmI'm pretty sure Cheney is correct. They did away with the US Constitution when the judges appointed the President in 2000.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:20 pmIt might be a consensus here at TP that the war in Iraq is a mistake, and it may also be true that a lot of the passion behind this sentiment is that Bush is the commander in chief. However, what we have to be careful of is creating an environment where the President hesitates, or cannot act decisively when action is needed. After all, the next president is likely to be a Dem, and what will Clinton or Obama do? Opposition is fine, but Chaney is clearly right when he says you cannot run a war by committee. Even the most brief study of military history acknowledges this as truth. Again, opposition is fine, but is certainly carries a danger for the future.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:21 pmHe also said if the republican party does not change course back to its origins he may consider running as an independent.
The 2008 elections could become very interesting to say the least.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:21 pmComment by Christopher Thomas — January 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Who ever wrote progressives wanted to fight this war by committee? Nice try. A president needs to listen to advisors and Bush does not. He does not listen to the people who have actually fought in a war, he does not listen to the troops, he does not listen to the commanders. That is not fighting a war by committee, that is just plain common sense.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:26 pmOpposition is fine, but Chaney is clearly right when he says you cannot run a war by committee.
Comment by Christopher Thomas — January 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
While fear of the unknown may motivate you or cause you to support an illegal attack on another country, we Progressives are not willing to give up our Rights.
The Executive Branch is an equal branch with ethe Legislative and Judicial. It's not soveriegn, nor should it be.
Sorry, I disagree with you. And so would our Founding Fathers.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
January 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pm--- Benjamin Franklin
Chris, God FORBID we ask for accountability and a balance of power, eh?
Back to History/Gov. 101 for all those who slept through...
January 21st, 2007 at 12:30 pmChristopher Thomas,
Unfortunately the actions of the Bush administration have already assured that this country won't be able to take decisive action in the future. For sure we can't take decisive action against North Korea, Iran, or any other major threat, because Bush has wasted our army in Iraq. The war in Iraq will leave a bad taste for decades to come, the effect of which will be increased isolationism.
Cheney may be right about not running a war by committee, but this statement doesn't really make any sense in the context of what is happening now. Statements like this are just a diversion. Bush is out of control, and it is the Constitutional obligation and patriotic duty of Congress to shut down Bush and his band of traitors.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:31 pmHe also said if the republican party does not change course back to its origins he may consider running as an independent.
Good for him. I'd love to see an Independent President who isn't owned by the Corporate Machine. Not that I support Hagel - just the platform (I'm hoping it's the route that Gore will take himself :)
The 2008 elections could become very interesting to say the least.
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Then maybe more people would get out and vote?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:31 pmWe dissenters——that is, the VAST MAJORITY of AMERICANS——won't be silenced. And even though we are being overruled by our "public servant" in the White House today, that won't last.
We'll impeach him and restore the Constitution. Wait. It won't be long.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pmHe also said if the republican party does not change course back to its origins he may consider running as an independent.
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
i was listening to this... i thought he was trying real hard to NOT say that... he sure was stepping around it, running at all...
January 21st, 2007 at 12:37 pmmy take on it...
could we get an accounting of which of these lunatics dyes their hair jet black - I'm thinking Chris Wallace, Abu Gonzalez, Brownback (not Cheney, though) -- for sure if you dye your hair you can't represent us
January 21st, 2007 at 12:38 pmCheney said “you cannot run a war by committee,†and whatever Congress does “would not affect the president’s ability to carry out his policy.â€
Translation: Go f*ck yourself America, I do what I want.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:39 pmChristopher Thomas--
I respect your sincerity, but you are wrong. You frame the issue wrong. It's not about running the war by committee or by an unencumbered president.
WE THE PEOPLE are in charge; this is a republic. And we picked new representatives because the war is a lie and we must get out. We want to save the lives and limbs of our sons and daughters who are caught in the middle of this president's mistake.
In fact, these new members of Congress are beholden to US. We have requested change, not "stay the course." Bush is out of touch. We cannot tolerate more carnage in the name of "war can't be fought by committee" or in the name of any other word games.
Real people are dying. Blood is on this adminstration's hands. And even as BushCo choses to escalate the carnage, responsible people are seeking to stop it. And THAT is the right position.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:39 pmThis is the most idiotic crap ever. Cheney's statement is idiotic and anyone who agress with it is an idiot. In past wars, whenever some overzealous supreme leader did not take the advice of his generals or other officials, he lost the battle and then the war. It happened to Napolean. It happened to Hitler. Whenever a supreme leader believes that he is destined to win, charged by God or something, and the actual military leaders in the field think it's time to back off or find a new strategy, that battle was lost.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:41 pmRight on! Combat veteran Hagel socks it to 5-deferment-Dickhead Cheney. Hagel might be the ONLY Repub I could vote for Prez, IF he were to run as an independent or switch his party.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:43 pm#12 -
Unless you've got the cash, like Ross Perot, you really can't run an effective presidential campaign. I wish Americans weren't so stupid and so easily gulled by their televisions, but they are.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pmCheney is a dangerous jerk. If only Republicans these days remembered the words of one of their greatest leaders:
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
January 21st, 2007 at 12:49 pm"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918>
http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/quotes.htm
it is the Constitutional obligation and patriotic duty of Congress to shut down Bush and his band of traitors.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
We’ll impeach him and restore the Constitution. Wait. It won’t be long.
Comment by Publicus — January 21, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
wishin' an' hopin' an' prayin'...
surely you are aware of john nichols' writings about the obligation and duty of congress to impeach... one article:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0612.nichols.html
hear him speak about it:
January 21st, 2007 at 12:52 pmhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=BHfMneQKdDM
#4. So this is a war against Muslims? Since when did it become strictly a religious war? I have been told that we were over there to build a democracy for these Muslims, not indiscriminately kill the Muslims.
I have notices that Christians have made this their jihad, their crusade. Don't count all Americans as being in your jihad.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:55 pmUnless you’ve got the cash, like Ross Perot, you really can’t run an effective presidential campaign.
Gore has the cash... : )
I wish Americans weren’t so stupid and so easily gulled by their televisions, but they are.
Comment by Jake — January 21, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
As a teacher in the public education system I know why they are. 12 years (13 if you count kindergarden) of being taught to be obedient little sheep who get rewarded for following the self-professed experts, and punished for expressing a single thought of your own...
January 21st, 2007 at 12:56 pmHagel is right - we have not yet ceded the Constitution to Bush&Co, no matter how much they have already usurped. The branches of government are co-equal, and they answer to us -- we, the people.
Bush has limited understanding of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and he has demonstrated his ignorance. He has also surrounded himself with those more schooled on government, but inclined to run the government as a monarchy (Cheney&Co.) and with lawyers like Gonzales, who feel they have the ability and the right to reinterpret the Constitution to suit both the ignorant president who desires to be king, and the neo-cons who desire a monarchy.
I don't see myself ever voting for a Republican again after what I have seen in the past decade, even the reasonable Chuck Hagel, but in this case, he is right. Not only do they have a right to speak out, they have an obligation to do so.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pmPavlov's Sheep....
January 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pm12 years (13 if you count kindergarden) of being taught to be obedient little sheep who get rewarded for following the self-professed experts, and punished for expressing a single thought of your own…
Comment by unbelievable — January 21, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
You are so right!!! I tell my kids all the time...if you see me make a mistake SAY SOMETHING. I am human, I make mistakes. Most, if not all, at first do not want to say anything because they are afraid I will be angry for their pointing out an error. When they discover I appreciate it, and reward it, they become more comfortable asking questions. There are teachers who actually become angry and punish students for questioning their reasoning.
How will they ever learn to question events occurring around them if we do not allow them to question us?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pmThey salivate when the bell of fear is rung...
January 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pmMaybe Chucky-come-lately is undermining the wooden box plan of Bush and Cheney for the withdrawal of U. S. troops from Iraq.
Maybe the Democrats should try cutting the funding of the some one hundred thousand Hessians (contractors) currently stationed in Iraq.
Repealing the original October 2002 Congressional Resolution that authorized the use of military force in Iraq would seem to be a very simple, direct and easily understood way to end this absurd occupation of Iraq. Maybe Pelosi, Reed and the other Democratic "leaders" are too gutless to do it... Maybe they are afraid that Bush would then just tell them to go take a walk...
The only true way to end the Bush/Cheney Follies is to Impeach, Try, Convict and Remove them...
January 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pmYou are so right!!! I tell my kids all the time…if you see me make a mistake SAY SOMETHING. I am human, I make mistakes.
I totally agree. You are I share the same philosophy in our classrooms about being humans who just happen to have more life experience because we were born first. And that it doesn't make us infallable.
I told one of my classes this semester that I couldn't teach them everything because I don't know everything. No one does.
Most, if not all, at first do not want to say anything because they are afraid I will be angry for their pointing out an error. When they discover I appreciate it, and reward it, they become more comfortable asking questions.
I share your approach on this as well - and have seen the same. They resist saying anything because they've been taught not to - with lots of negative consequences.
There are teachers who actually become angry and punish students for questioning their reasoning.
One of my students is an Atheist. He told me about an Art teacher who sent a boy to the office for telling her that he did not believe in god. The kid was punished. When I am ready to leave here, I think I'll mention that to Michael Newdow... :)
How will they ever learn to question events occurring around them if we do not allow them to question us?
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Exactly. They won't.
My principal (a former teacher) treats teachers the same way. Needless to say, we butt heads a lot. She told me Friday that I wasn't supposed to question her. Seriously.
Sad what the control freaks have done to the system...
January 21st, 2007 at 1:23 pm"You can't run a war by committee."
January 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmOf course you can. You must.
World War II was fought by committee. FDR, Churchilll & Stalin constantly conferred. At te top, there was notthing but meetings. That's what a General Staff is all about.
Cheney's an ex-Secretary of Defense. He ran the First Gulf War by committee.
The reason the Japanese and the Germans lost World War II was because they ran the war the way W and C are running the war: the Chosen of God whips up a plan in his head,, and if a general with actual experience objects, he's canned. The rulers demand, implicitly or explicitly, that they be lied to, and so the bad news is never laid on the committee table.
Thus Hitler invades Russia; thus Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. Top down decisions made by the Deciders.
The War in Iraq was unnecessary strategically, stupid politically, and criminal morally. The war took three weeks, and was a snap, but pointless in a larger framework; the occupation was and is reprehensible, corrupt, idiotic and a complete failure.
And through it all, there was no committee work. If people met around a table, it was a corporate board meeting, with boss's bored idiot son at the head of it drawing horses on his notepad, and the others looking up at the ceiling and praying.
Cheney is misquoting a truth: you can't fight a war by committee. But what that means is you defer to the commanders in the field. Which is precisely what they haven't done.
Historians of future generations will compare, I'm convinced, to Hitler. Not because W is evil incarnate--but because they both lost wars they started because of colossal ego, fatally blurred vision, and the inability to take advice.
Comment by Barflys Nemesis
Is it true that you have to go to a clinic everyday to have your bowels artificially emptied because if you tried to defecate naturally you would lose half your brain matter in the process?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:27 pmNow who should I trust on this... Cheney, five deferments (chickenhawk) or Hagel, VietNam veteran.... who really has the experience about what troops would be thinking while serving in a war zone.... hummm.....
My money is on Chuck Hagel. The only Cheney knows how to do is save his own fat ass and have someone else fight and die so that he can go on "canned" hunts.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:27 pmIs it true that you have to go to a clinic everyday to have your bowels artificially emptied because if you tried to defecate naturally you would lose half your brain matter in the process?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — January 21, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
You are giving him too much credit. He obviously does not possess brain matter.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:37 pmWhy is it taking a Republican to make the concise, clear cut points that the Democrats could have been making all along?!?
But, no, the Democrats have to be mealy mouthed, wobbly, and on the fence with regard to Iraq, pathetic.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:39 pmHey Jules,
The crazed troll making crude comments is rachel. That's the list you want to join... Call it a troll and it will add you : )
January 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by UnBs Undies — January 21, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
I don't wear underwear.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:46 pmI don’t wear underwear.
Comment by unbelievable — January 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
And that is why you are a happy girl!!!
The crazed troll making crude comments is rachel. That’s the list you want to join… Call it a troll and it will add you : )
Comment by unbelievable — January 21, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
I have read her rantings this past week. I would prefer she (it?) not converse with me even if I am not added to the list!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmAnd that is why you are a happy girl!!!
LOL... I was just joking. I wear them :)
I have read her rantings this past week. I would prefer she (it?) not converse with me even if I am not added to the list!
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
She said that she was going to ignore those of us on "the list"... But apparently, pretending to be us doesn't count... LOL
January 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pmLet's compare. Hagel served. Cheney dodged the draft with five deferments. Now you tell me who has more credibility on this score.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:09 pm"Cheney said “you cannot run a war by committee,†and whatever Congress does “would not affect the president’s ability to carry out his policy.â€
You can't have a stupid fool like this in control. Dick Cheney is advicating Dictator in other words, absolute control by one man. This should be terrifying for anyone living in the free world.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:10 pmI like to be slapped around and dominated.
Comment by UnBs Undies — January 21, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
No Thanks. Not my type.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:24 pmIt's strange to see the Rethugs coming out against the idiotic policies of the "shrub administration" after the Dems finally get the majority in Congress. But my question is: Where the hell were they for the last 6 years when these idiots like Bush, Cheney and Rice were flushing this Country down the toilet??? As I remember the were rubber stamping everything those bastards wanted to do.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:12 pmGood for Sen. Hagel, but now he must call for Bush and Cheney to resign or to be impeached for the fiasco in Iraq!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pmCheney has lost all credibility with war and killing to profit his own company. He hasn't the right to open his freakin' mouth. His policies and greed have made the world a dangerous, dangerous place. Little wonder we are hated.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:51 pmHagel is absolutely right. More than that Hagel is a veteran. He knows what is going on. VP Cheney is a bag of hot air. He has no credibility. Let the VP go to Iraq and put his own butt in harms way. I note that Mr. Cheney had 9 deferrments during Vietnam when Chuck Hagel, John Kerry, Jim Webb et al were serving. I think the VP only has balls when someone else's butt is in harms way.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:57 pmSenator Hagel, long known as the "new and improved" Maverick of the Republican Party, confided to President Bush and Vice President Cheney that premature criticism of a planned cleanup of the vipers of Bagdhad by Speakette Pelosi and Majorette Harry (as well as the other infamous naysayers) is "complete nonsense"......Such an interesting provacatuer.......
January 21st, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That's it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
Don - To illustrate to you how completely ignorant your statement is, please follow slowly. By your "logic", only those who are battle-hardened veterans may serve as Commander in Chief or Vice President. Let's see: FDR didn't serve in combat, neither did mr. Bill and I guess your criteria eliminates Hillary......
January 21st, 2007 at 5:06 pmDear Appropriately Named Dick - Since Spealette Pelosi is derelict in her duties to impeach, what course of action do you suggest?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:08 pmWould you honestly expect us to bother advising a mythical deity of our intended course of action?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:18 pmAnd, as I read post #60, a clear course of action was proposed....
Hagel is right and, as usual, Cheney is looking out for corporate America at the expense of the constitution or the fast disappearing middle class. Cheney never served in the military, yet seems to think that he knows what it is all about, what is in the best interest of the United States and he consistently tries to link liberal way of thinking with terrorism. People like Cheney are dangerous because they have such fear and loathing in thier miserable hearts they must project that feeling onto others. They accumulate wealth and power because in the end, they are afraid of really living life. Poor, dumb animals have more compassion than that sick, twisted blood sucker.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:20 pmYou can't run a war by committee, but you sures hell can oppose a war by one. Congress isn't trying to run the war, they are simply trying to stop it. It all goes back to the Magna Carta and the reasoning behind its creation. 'Power of the Purse' is what the president is trying to erase. Once that is gone, you have yourselves a temporary dictatorship.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmName one thing Cheney has told the truth about in the past six years. Nuff said. Hagel knows what he is talking about.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:44 pmBush and Cheney's actions 'UNDERMINE OUR TROOPS'....isn't this projection on their part?? It's classic projection to me. It's the pot calling the kettle black....Part of the Bush/Cheney MO....lies, pure unadulterated lies....I can't wait to see Darth Cheney on the hot seat during Scooter's trail when the people press for HIS impeachment! I wonder how his sick, twisted smirk will look then?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:57 pmCheney said "you cannot run a war by committee" - well, he's one hellova jackass to make that statement because it's clear that he and Bush can't run a war period. What a buffoon. I wonder how his Swiss Miss is doing these days? Lynne's probably scratched her eyes out....(meow).
January 21st, 2007 at 5:59 pmIt's about time some Rethugs get some conscience. Now is Chuckie's sudden candor and desire for truth without ulterior motives....I presume not if he's a Republican...leave no rock unturned before deciding that Chuckie Cheese is "the real deal" folks. Hmmmm...seems the GOP is full of wolves in sheep's clothing these days....
January 21st, 2007 at 6:01 pm"Wonders will never cease. It is good to have a “normal†troll posting rather than the crazy assed rachel j k. Thanks for the breath of fresh air MA." Comment by Spudge_Boy
*****You're welcome, Sponge. Not to disappoint or take away from this Hallmark moment BUT don't be tooo impressed with the wonder of it all - I was just trying to find out when the peasants were going to storm the Congress and the Castle - Being an exploitive little capitaist, I thought I could bankroll my freeloading Prog brother-in-law and corner the torch and pitchfork market.......
January 21st, 2007 at 6:59 pmSponge - You're right - WE don't like Hillary - but I bet there's one of us who'll pull the lever for her in '08 - and it ain't me.....
Tooodles.....
January 21st, 2007 at 7:28 pmWhy do Bush and Cheney hate the American people?
Why do Bush and Cheney hate American democracy?
Bush and Cheney forgot that they serve the American people, not the other way around. "Forgot" is probably the wrong choice of a word because I suspect they're too arrogant to realize that that's how democracy is supposed to work.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:35 pmGreat for Hagel. The so-called Left and the Democratic establishment have always been Bush's enablers. The real ideological resistance to this war has come from the Old Right (non neocon) as embodied in The American Conservative and the Libertarians as embodied in Justin Raimondo's marvelous Antiwar.com.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:11 pmWhile The American Conservative refused to endorse W in 2004 because of their opposition to the war, The Nation, the organ of the so-called Left, was eagerly endorsing the pro-war John Kerry. Which magazine was more principled?
And now Hillary and the rest are toadying up to the Israeli Lobby and pledging to launch new wars in the Middle East, beginning with Iran.
I will take President Hagel over President Hillary Clinton or President Oh-bomb-em or President Kerry any day. And I am a Green.
Sponge - Nah, it won't be me voting for Give 'em Hill, Hillary. The last Dem I voted for was Dianne Feinstein. The bile doesn't rise in my throat quite as much with her as grandstanding, opportunistic Babs Boxers. Like your gal-pal, Mr. Aphrodite is pretty much a straight ticket kind of guy.
A Dem I like is Bill Richardson.....probably way tooo conservative a Dem for the likes of most Progs.....but I think he has had a wealth of experience in both the foreign and domestic arenas....and he's electable......
Pooodles back at you......
January 21st, 2007 at 10:27 pmGeez, even his own party is calling Darth out for the asswipe that he is.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 pmWhen will people get back to reality and realize that we are in an illegal OCCUPATION in the middle of a civil war! And you CANNOT win an occupation nor a civil war where we are (supposedly) not on any side.
I am a Vietnam combat vet and this is just War College 101 stuff. But then Dubya was too busy going AWOL from his NG unit and Cheney was too busy getting his deferments to have time for such trivia.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pm#70 - about a week after the impeachment vote 88-12 in the senate.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:19 pmP.S. Phu Bai/DaNang 69-70...
Latest poll figures in from Newsweek:
Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"
Approve 24%
Disapprove 70%
A full five points lower than the previous low of 29, registered last March.
That, with a nadir of overall approval of 31%.
Oh yeah, but he don't f'in care. Heeyaw, let's show then Iranian fekkers what a badd ass W is!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:32 pm#50 a planned cleanup of the vipers of Bagdhad
"vipers" eh? is that a legal term or a military term, hermy?
whom exactly are you referring to, the Sunni insurgents, or the Shia death squads whose political leaders have the reigns in baghdad? I think I missed it when you explaining about which political parties were going to restore peace, order, and pro-western democracy to baghdad....
January 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pmA Dem I like is Bill Richardson…..probably way tooo conservative a Dem for the likes of most Progs…..but I think he has had a wealth of experience in both the foreign and domestic arenas….and he’s electable……
Pooodles back at you……
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Yeah, he's electable, and against the escalation! Typical Ma, the politically experienced polecat.
Piddles ...
January 21st, 2007 at 11:55 pm#50 - I'd prefer a cleanup of the vipers in the White House.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 amI_am_mighty_aphrodite_and_a_zionist_fool
Judd?
Can you do something about this posters name and content?
This is what bugs me the most besides the content...
zionist_fool
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 amIn a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
-George Orwell
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:08 amWhat Promise, Chuck...
I stand by my earlier statements about 2008, including the fact that it’s way too early to start speculating about who our next president is going to be in any meaningful way. But it’s not too early to take an interest in the potential can...
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:22 amIf it ended up to be Hagel as the '08 GOP candidate and Hillary for the Dems, I'd be voting for a Republican for the first time in over twenty years.
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:14 amDamned if you do and damned if you don't. For those who said Bush was dumb, he's not looking so dumb right now by putting the U.S. in the predicament of sending out the troops and making the democrats cut the funding so he can later say that the democrats cut the funding for the troop or worst yet, nothing gets done and the troops are sent to their deaths, then he will say the Democrats had no solutions. He has the Dems where he wants them and the country as well with this disastrous war. But his reign will end and let us not make this mistake again...vote Democratic. This nonsense of voting for an independent (no matter how wonderful he is) only insures that the wrong people get elected. It is time to regain our freedoms under the Constitution, keep this nation solvent, and value our lives... Vote Democrat.PS. Giuliani is their ticket to continue the ravaging and its not suprising that Polls show him ahead. Make no mistake, Dems must win this election by a landslide, we already saw what happened in Ohio!
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:22 amOh and another thing. The ideology is simple, removing regulations provides chaos and leads the way for thievery (i.e., Silverado S&L, etc). Republicans, no matter what their rhetoric is will create chaos because of their basic principle of deregulation or the new buzz word, Privatization. Bush, a republican was looking for where the money was, to open it up for the taking...Iraqs oil and the largest pool of money we have...Social Security. Privatization and deregulation creates a huge problem. Hagel and Mccain are fine people but the fact that they believe deregulation works makes them a liability for the U.S. (they will cost us money in my book).
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 amDems must win this election by a landslide, we already saw what happened in Ohio!
I love how Dems/Libbies/Lefties continue to spew conspiracy theory bullshit regarding "stealing elections", et al, ad infinitum, but never play fair and mention that little fact that the Dems now control the House and Senate. Hmmm, maybe they stoooooole Congress! Oh my god! Alert the press! Release the hounds!
Idiots... The Left is just a bunch of g.d. idiots.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 am#80 Independent Hater,
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmObviously you have never considered the fact that the companies that produce the voting machines like Diebold are run by men who are openly GOP supporters. Have the CEOs of any of those companies ever made a public statement supportive of Dems equivalent to this one from the CEO of Diebold: "I will do my best to deliver the Ohio vote to George W. Bush"? I'm not necessarily even saying that the GOP stole some elections; what I am saying, however, is that it wouldn't have been very easy for the Dems to do so under such circumstances. 馬鹿ï¼
Hagel added: “What are we about? We’re Article 1 of the Constitution. We are co-equal branch of government. Are we not to participate? Are we not to say anything? Are we not to register our sense of where we’re going in this country on foreign policy?â€
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I can only hope that Hagel was asking these questions rhetorically -- because unless he's been under a rock or stranded on a deserted island for the past couple of years, the answer to those questions should be blindingly obvious by now. Congress a co-equal branch of government? Surely he jests -- what else does he think all those signing statements are about? Collectively, they say "the rules which apply to everyone else don't apply to me." Didn't Hagel watch the interview with Bush on "60 Minutes", for crying out loud? That pretty much said it all -- and it came straight from the horse's mouth, yet. The only thing that Bush and Cheney think Congress should say is "How high?" when they say "Jump."
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmCheney continues to label all who oppose his and his fellow neoconartist's lies and deceit as "undermining the troops" and running a war by "committee". Darth Cheney knows nothing about war since he has never fought in one. He demonstrates his chicken hawk bona fides as usual. Let the people who know a thing or two about war decide what goes on there. Many in Congress know a hell of alot more about the battle field than Cheney and they can speak out without ever being labeled as undermining our troops, when in truth it is Cheney and his band of liars who are. Has Dick EVER been right about the Iraq war? In truth, no. Therefore it would behoove him to close his mouth and let the grown ups run the show.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:40 amI wonder how his Swiss Miss is doing these days? Lynne’s probably scratched her eyes out….(meow).
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Curious how this gal just disappeared off the face of the map, while the media managed to keep all of Clinton's flings front and center. Dick should not get a pass. I want to know where she is, and why we don't see her anymore.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:44 amDespite his recent compelling observations, Hagels criticism of the Bushco Iraq fiasco is primarily all talk. When it comes time to vote he throws in with all the other Republican rubber-stamp clowns. He's been a major enabler of his partys attempt to undermine the rule of law. His most recent "conversion to sanity" is simply an attempt to avoid the political consequence of his actions. Don't let the sheep suit fool you.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:24 amThe next president will likely be a Dem??? Followed by the names Clinton and Obama??
I predict right here and now that neither of those people will become president in 2008, if ever. What both of them has done is declare early to force the hands of other would-be Democratic saviors who will go forth and campaign thereby depleting their war chests (unless, as in the case of a dinosaur like Dodd, they are bankrolled by major league corporate and financial interests) leaving the field open for people like Clinton and Obama who will lead a losing Democratic effort at the polls.
Get over it, people. Neither of these people has anyone's interests except his/her own at heart. By deflecting attention that should be directed at getting our troops home and by failing to definitively declare that this war is now and has always been illegal and conceived in lies, neither of them is advancing a legitimate agenda that deserves our support.
Jettison Clinton already. The only reason she's here in New York is to look after Entergy's interests at Indian Point nuclear power plant and to stroke her massive ego. I'd vote for Limbaugh before I'd vote for Clinton and I've never, ever voted for a Republican in my life.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 am