Kristol On War Critics: ‘It’s So Irresponsible That They Can’t Be Quiet For Six Or Nine Months’
Kristol On War Critics: ‘It’s So Irresponsible That They Can’t Be Quiet For Six Or Nine Months’
This morning on Fox News, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol said that opponents of escalation in Congress are “leap-frogging each other in the degrees of irresponsibility they’re willing to advocate.” Kristol said, “It’s just unbelievable. … It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months,” adding, “You really wonder, do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that.”
NPR’s Juan Williams told Kristol his analysis was “totally ahistorical,” and pointed out that yesterday was the deadliest day for U.S forces in Iraq in two years. “There’s something going on here you might pay attention to as opposed to just the politics of, ‘If you don’t support this president, you don’t really want us to win.’”
Watch it:
Full transcript:
KRISTOL: They’re playing — they’re leap-frogging each other in the degrees of irresponsibility they’re willing to advocate. And I really think people are being too sort of complacent and forgiving almost of the Democrats. ‘Oh, it’s politics, of course. One of them has a non-binding resolution. The other has a cap.’ It’s all totally irresponsible. It’s just unbelievable. The president is sending over a new commander, he’s sending over troops, and the Democratic Congress, in a pseudo-binding way or non-binding way, is saying, ‘It won’t work. Forget it. You troops, you’re going over there in a pointless mission. Iraqis who might side with us, forget it, we’re going to pull the plug.’ It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months and say the president has made a decision, we’re not going to change that decision, we’re not going to cut off funds and insist on the troops coming back, so let’s give it a chance to work. You really wonder, do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that. I hate to say this about the Democrats. They’re people I know personally and I respect some of them. Do they want it to succeed or not?
WILLIAMS: I think everybody wants it to succeed who believes in the idea that we are over there and our people are at stake. I don’t think there’s any question. I think that’s sort of a rhetorical tool on your part. But your analysis seems to be totally ahistorical. It’s as if mistakes haven’t been made repeatedly, as if people don’t feel like they’ve been misled down this path, that there’s been tremendous support for this president and war effort and it’s come to naught. It’s come to a bad place. Yesterday was the deadliest, I think, in two years. Nineteen Americans killed. There’s something going on here you might pay attention to as opposed to just the politics of, if you don’t support this president, you don’t really want us to win.
KRISTOL: What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing. Zero. Except, except no reinforcements. You guys are on your own. That’s what they’re saying.
WILLIAMS: If you think — do you think reinforcements will make some radical change? No. I think what people are saying is, it’s time to redeploy, look at new strategies, look at political compromise. That’s what’s not being done by this administration.
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F*CK YOU, WE'LL NEVER BE QUIET AS LONG AS YOU'RE SCREWING OVER MY COUNTRY, A**HOLE.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:39 amSo typical of the insecure elite who need to think they are better than the masses... Demand we obediently and silently allow them to kill us for tehir own selfish means.
We've really gotta find some non-sociopathic folks for the MSM... This nonsense was old - oh, six or nine months ago...
January 21st, 2007 at 10:42 amDO SOMETHING:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
January 21st, 2007 at 10:46 amLittle Billy Kristol is merely a legend in his own mind -- the Eddy Haskell of FoxSnooze. What a pathetic little character he is.
He will morph again as GDumbya's "plan" flops. He is intellectually and morally bankrupt. That's why he's always on FoxSnooze all the time.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:47 amSieg Heil! You Fascist.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amWhat is irresponsible... KRISTOL... is that Bush decides that the commanders who ARE over there don't know what they're talking about... but thinks the commanders who are here, DO know what they are talking about.
It's clear to everyone that the only commanders that Bush is willing to listen to are the commanders that tell Bush what he wants to hear.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amso what kristol is saying is :"if i could operate in a vacuum, everything would work!"
why do vacuums hate america?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amhe appears to have a few months more tolerance for death? or is it trying to wring a few more bucks out of KBR stock? Lockheed?
let's face it. No news program really is unless the screen shows what the person talking owns by way of stock and such, that way we can determine if they are profiting by their statements and position
remember when they did this for a few months? It must have been wildly popular. I think it was CNBC or MSNBC that did this back, when in 2000?
you can tell a coward, they love war, but have nothing to do with it. I think the man fits in one of these categories, making it meaningless.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amThis man should be taken to the Congress and asked under oath about his PNAC/NeoCons/AIPAC connection and how this war with Iraq was cooked...so people know what his part and others close to him and what he is now selling on Fox network and for whom.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:54 amIrresponsible is everything that Kristol predicts, imagines, hopes for, etc. He is irrresponsible personified. And he sure hasn't apologized for being WRONG about everything and one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in is BECAUSE OF HIM AND HIS WAR CHEERLEADING. WRONG WRONG WRONG, and they still let him talk on the teevee? oh brother.......
January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 amKristol, the armchair general who hid behind a draft deferment and chickened out of wearing his country's uniform is telling us who did serve are irresponsible? Piss off! Kristol can kiss my ass in the county square.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:58 am
Well, we tried that tactic for four years and look where that enabling got us- Over 3040 empty places at dinner tables all over America.
Luckily, Frank Rich won't. Frank shows how, the more things change (and the more troops that get killed), the more they stay the same.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:00 amKristol and his like are the fascist elitists. Remember Mussolini. He was a journalist by trade too. "...all is for the state, nothing is outside the state, nothing and no one are against the state." (Mussolini, October 28,1925)
January 21st, 2007 at 11:00 amIf anyone needs to be quiet, it would be Bill Kristol. Why does Bill Kristol want Americans to die for a lie?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:01 amFascists always want people to just shut up and let them do what they want to do.
How this always-wrong asshole hasn't been driven into exile in the swamplands of Florida is beyond me.
-GSD
January 21st, 2007 at 11:02 am"Do they want it to work or not?" The critics of the latest stay-the-course policy have looked at the plan and declared it unworkable. It is not necessary to "give it a chance"...it is more of the same, which has been disastrous.
Few thinking Americans believe Bush will get it right this time. Too many deceits, mistakes, and failures litter Bush's past dealings with almost everything associated with the phoney-baloney war on terror.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amAnd why would anyone follow Bush who has been dead-wrong from day one. Who lied and mislead us with false threats into an elective war. Who's child, wife or husband should die for the proven to be incompetent Decider.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amIf you are not a right winger or really care about America, I suggest you may want to think about subscribing to Times Select - the editorial page of the New York Times. Rich, Kristoff, Dowd, the Editorial Page writers, and even Friedman are finally firing on all cylinders again to expose the incompetence at the highest levels of our government.
This development is long overdue after a very dark period in which Judith Miller trumpeted Bush's frantic, unsupported claims that Iraq had WMD, and columnists like Tom Friedman justified the invasion of Iraq with idiotic explanations like "America just had to hit someone."
http://www.nytimes.com/opinion/
"Lying Like It’s 2003"
By FRANK RICH
Published: January 21, 2007
THOSE who forget history may be doomed to repeat it, but who could imagine we’d already be in danger of replaying that rotten year 2003?
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NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Hang Up! Tehran Is Calling
TimesSelect Hang Up! Tehran Is Calling
Instead of disengaging from war, President Bush could end up starting another.
_______
Editorial Page
Retreat and Cheat
President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program was once deemed so vital to national security that it could not be subjected to judicial review. Last week, the White House said it was doing just that.
In 2005, the White House would not even comment on news reports about the C.I.A.’s prisons because Americans’ safety depended on their being kept secret. In 2006, Mr. Bush held a photo-op to announce that he was keeping them open.
The administration has repeatedly insisted that it was essential to the American way of life for Mr. Bush to be able to imprison foreigners without trial or legal counsel. Now the administration claims it was trying to bring those detainees to trial all along but was stymied by white-shoe lawyers.
By now, this is a familiar pattern: First, Mr. Bush and his aides say his actions are so vital to national security that to even report on them — let alone question them — lends comfort to the terrorists. Then, usually when his decisions face scrutiny from someone other than a compliant Republican Congress, the president seems to compromise.
Behind this behavior are at least two dynamics, both of them disturbing.
The first is that the policies Mr. Bush is trying so hard to hide have little, if anything, to do with real national security issues — and everything to do with a campaign, spearheaded by Vice President Dick Cheney, to break the restraints on presidential power imposed after Vietnam and Watergate. And there is much less than meets the eye to Mr. Bush’s supposed concessions.
Generally, they mask the fact that he either got what he wanted from Congress or found a way to add some other veneer of legitimacy to his lawless behavior. The campaign to expand presidential power goes on, at the expense of American values.
Mr. Bush’s aides don’t try very hard to hide it. The day the shift on domestic wiretapping was announced, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales gave a speech in which he sneered at the idea of allowing judges to review national security policies. The next day, he was in the Senate refusing to turn over the agreement that he said would provide judicial review for the wiretapping. And his lawyers were in court arguing that a lawsuit over the warrantless eavesdropping should be dropped because Mr. Bush said he would stop the operation.
We don’t know exactly what agreement the White House made with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court about eavesdropping. But there is evidence that Mr. Bush got some broad approval for a wiretapping “program†rather than the individual warrants required by law. Because the court works in secret, the public may never know whether Mr. Bush really is complying with the law.
Nor is there likely to be an explanation of why the White House could not have sought the court’s approval in the first place. The White House’s claim that the process is too cumbersome doesn’t ring true.
[snip]
For that matter, why did the White House initially refuse to work with senior Republican lawmakers to create a legal court system for the Guantánamo detainees? Instead, Mr. Bush ordered the creation of kangaroo courts, expanding presidential authority at the expense of Congress and the judiciary, and at the expense of justice.
The Republican-led Congress (with the help of cowed Democrats) refused to hold Mr. Bush and his presidency to account on any of these issues. The Military Commissions Act, passed by Congress just before the midterm elections last year, gave Mr. Bush a pass on what he had already done with the detainees outside the law, and did not stop him from jailing non-Americans indefinitely without due process. Congress absolved American intelligence agents of past abuses of prisoners and approved future abuses, and Mr. Bush happily announced that the C.I.A. prisons would stay open.
[snip]
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 amThere he goes again: "the president has made a decision, we’re not going to change that decision."
So he doesn't support american democracy, and the power of our elected officials in congress? He doesn't support the voice of the people either, when they spoke in the last election for change in Iraq? He just supports the executive branch,...one guy...one king,..who makes a "decision?"
I don't want to be too alarmist here, but isn't that treason? Isn't going against your oath to defend the constitution, which includes powers of congress and the judiciary, an act of treason?
Kristol saying that people should "be quiet" is also suppression of the workings of the democracy and basically flauting the democracy itself.
Someone should remind Kristol, on the air of this:
1. Bush lost his "mandate."
2. Bush lost the support of his generals.
Those two things are what he claimed authorized him to prosecute this war. And since he lost that, as well as the support of the congress (who declares war and funds war), then under what premise is he escalating the war?
Why doesn't anyone ask Kristol this on the air?
I laugh when I hear him say congress should be quiet for 6 months. So that was the idea of the surge? To shut up congress and get them off his back a while until he can think of something else to do? Do they really believe that?
And it makes me sick when I here them saying oh the dems have no plan. We have all kinds of plans! And the Iraq Study Group presented a plan! He's rejected all of them. What is unbelievable is the fact that he can reject them then pretend no one ever presented an alternative plan! Why doesn't anyone bust them with this on the air? Their arguments are so thin and weak that I could put a hole in them if you put me on the air. Why won't they touch it?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 amTom Friedman is trying to blame the whole Iraq war on the anti-war people. He's a weasel and should be ignored.
He is a power ennabling closet neo-con who masks his war mongering under the veil of pithy cooments like this:
"The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps."
-- Friedman, The Lexus and the Olive Tree
-GSD
January 21st, 2007 at 11:14 amTo quote Paul Krugman, words fail me.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:31 amWhat? You mean that Juan FOX NEWS Williams pulled his goddamn spine out of the closet and strapped it on for a change?!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:32 amAhoran,
In case you don't know, shalom means peace. So the next time you think of writing or speaking that word, don't. Just shut your little piehole until you have something to say that isn't utterly abhorrent.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:41 am"The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the cost of prosecuting a war against Iraq at up to $9 billion per month."
Congress should just keep its mouth shut and keep appropriating money so me and my War Profiteer buddies can rake in another $100 billion in no-bid, cost+ contracts. And there's that sweetheart of an oil deal in the works we gotta protect. Did you know it's a 30-year contract! That means we're giving a 30-year commitment to prop up an Iraqi government.
And the loss in American lives isn't so bad. In fact it works out to over $90 million in War Profiteer Contracts for every soldier killed in action. In fact, this War is so profitable, it is boosting the entire American economy. Did you know that some of the War Profiteer CEO's are doing such a bang-up job that they were given bonuses of over $100 million a year?
So, just keep your mouth shut, and keep the money rolling in.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:45 amAt least 24 Americans died in Iraq Sat. By BUSHRA JUHI, Associated Press Writer
January 21st, 2007 at 11:46 am32 minutes ago
"TEHRAN, Iran - Iran plans three days of military maneuvers, including short-range missile tests, beginning Sunday — its first since the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions against it in late December, state-run television said."
January 21st, 2007 at 11:48 amI truly wish sites such as this would simply list the advertisers of these morons programs.
That way, I'd simply be able to send the advertisers a note saying that I will not buy their products any more if they continue to support this nonsense.
Getting upset at these folks just raises your blood pressure.
They're fools. Try to get them off their outlets!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:51 amAnd the loss in American lives isn’t so bad. In fact it works out to over $90 million in War Profiteer Contracts for every soldier killed in action. In fact, this War is so profitable, it is boosting the entire American economy. Did you know that some of the War Profiteer CEO’s are doing such a bang-up job that they were given bonuses of over $100 million a year?
So, just keep your mouth shut, and keep the money rolling in.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
OK, BNF, I was leaving you alone, but when you took me to task over my comments about Saddam's pistol, about how I was "joking" about troop deaths, how is the above passage any different in tone? Please explain, or apologize.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:51 amwould that he could be damned by his own words: "There's been a certain amount of pop sociology in America ... that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq's always been very secular." [link]
(i hate that self-righteous smirk of his--it reads as a pathological tic to hide his insecurity.)
January 21st, 2007 at 11:52 amIraq Totals
3052 US Soldiers Killed
253 coalition Soldiers Killed
727 Civillian Contractors Killed
____
3932 Total killed ( The real Total)
22,834 American Soldier wounded BIG TIME
655,000 Iraqi Mostly Civilians killed
356,000 Iraqis Injured BIG TIME
0 WMD found
0 links to Al Queda
0 Threat to USA
0 Oil Contracts to America
1 Maniac Loose Canon President
85% of worlds population Hate Americans
This is losers Policy
January 21st, 2007 at 11:57 amThe administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:58 amThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That's it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
The administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:58 amThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That's it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
Okay, I have finally had it with this sort of thing.
No one wants the United States to lose? Well, I for one want the United States to lose.
When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose. When it kills 650,000 foreigners to avenge the deaths of 3000 of its own, I want it to lose.
I want torturers to lose. I want countries that imprison people without charges and without trials to lose. I want governments that feel free to threaten anyone in the world with attack to lose.
Don't you?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:04 pmBill Kristol and his fellow PNAC-ers are War Criminals, and they all should be put on trial for their crimes.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pmI don't wonder - I know the posters at ThinkProgress want America to lose in Iraq.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pm"When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose."
So then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:08 pmSo then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Don't try to compare WW2 to this fiasco.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Right you are. It was a parody of Kristol. I should have included [/sarcasm].
January 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pmSo then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
You need history lessons. We were not the aggressors in WWII, but you knew that didn't you? Another strawman argument from another troll without anything intelligent to add to the conversation.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pmI googled the name Aharon Zohar, suspecting that the sick freak misappropriated it. Sure enough, the name belongs to a leading member of the Israeli Pugwash group. Pugwash is an organization dedicated to arms control and other ways to avoid armed conflict.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pm“When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose.â€
So then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
The dumbass redneck calling itself USA Patriot obviously has a basic reading comprehension problem. No surprise there.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:23 pmAnd by the way, USA Patriot, double-digit IQers like you are obviously incapable of understanding that there will be no winners in any sense of the term. But Bush-worshipping simpletons like you view everything as though it is a football game.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:25 pm"We were not the aggressors in WWII..."
So then of course you opposed President Clinton's attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:26 pmI don't know how Juan Williams keeps his "cool" when surrounded by William Kristol and the rest of the insane Faux News crew.
I would like to be in the studio the day he loses his "cool" and calls William Kristol a stupid moron retard idiot!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:27 pmSo then of course you opposed President Clinton’s attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
That was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pmAharon Zohar - if you were being sarcastic, and I suspect you were, sign off with [/sarc].
I failed to do that (above) and immediately got called on it.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:31 pmThat was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win.
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Arguing with kool-aid drinkers is hopeless. Nothing they say make sense. Zero critical thinking skills.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pmJules, my guess is that in order to be "USA Patriot" one must be totally ignorant of both History and World Affairs.
USA P - go tell Rove you need a new set of talking points. You're working off of a 2003 script. Come back when you have new an original ways of demonstrating a complete lack of understanding.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pmre#45 USA Patriot
I opposed G W Bush, W Clinton, G H Bush, R Reagan, R Nixon, L Johnson, J Kennedy, H Truman all for using our military in actions against countries who did not attack us or were in the process of implementing an attack against us.
Every one of the should have been impeached and charged with treason for throwing away the lives of our soliders for anything other than the DEFENSE of the country that is the soliders ONLY purpose!
Soldiers are not foreign policy makers, communist fighters, regimen changers, nor oil snatchers, and any president who used them in that way committed a CRIME and should be punished for it!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:38 pmAharon Zohar - if you were being sarcastic, and I suspect you were, sign off with [/sarc].
I failed to do that (above) and immediately got called on it.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
BnF, I liked your sarcasm and I thought it was clearly sarcasm, but then I already know a lot about how you think from previous posts. I do not believe that Zohar's post is sarcastic, however. Note that the identical post was made in the top thread. This kind of repetition is pure troll behavior. Also, note the misappropriation of the name of an Israeli advocate of arms control and peaceful conflict resolution. We are dealing with a flaming a**hole here.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pmComment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 21, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I know I should not even make an attempt at an intelligent debate with these trolls as they have no intellectual capacity, but I hate to see them not called on their idiocy.
I know, I need more coffee....it may not make reading troll crap more palatable, but it tastes good and makes me happy!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pmYou go criticalthinker!! Thank-you.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:42 pmSoldiers are not foreign policy makers, communist fighters, regimen changers, nor oil snatchers, and any president who used them in that way committed a CRIME and should be punished for it!
Comment by criticalthinker — January 21, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
EXCELLENT post. I agree. The American Empire is out of control. And as an American, I want us to do to others as we'd like them to do to us (live and let live).
January 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhy can't Kristol Meth Mouth be quiet for six or nine months?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pmSo then of course you opposed President Clinton’s attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Those were NATO led strikes to stop ethnic cleansing in the region.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pmAgain with the six months? How many Friedman Units is this going to take? (It is the "Long War," you know.)
But for the deadly consequences, I'd say this reminds me of commercial bumper from Rocky and Bullwinkle.
US: That trick never works.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:48 pmKRISTOL: This time for sure!
Jules,
No one loves to slap a troll around over a morning cup of java more than I do. In fact, I deliberately employ a technique of mocking them by talking about them in front of them, the way parents might talk about a small child that has just misbehaved.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:50 pmOn the Beltway Boys yesterday, Fred Barnes said the same thing as Bill Kristol did. He told the American public to shut up and give Bush's "plan" a chance. Well, I say to both of them - why don't YOU shut the f up ?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:53 pmDear Bill Kristol:
You first.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pmIf Kristol were willing to be quiet for about six to nine months, perhaps some of us might consider it -- turnabout is fair play, after all -- but Kristol can't seem to keep his mouth shut for six to nine days, never mind months! That's a neoconservative for you -- complaining about the fact that his opponent won't do something that he himself isn't willing to do. Hypocrites, all of them...
Good smackdown from Williams...
January 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmHow does Juan refrain from hauling off and bitch-slapping Kristol?
For years, too many Dems let Bush have his way and we have all suffered under his lies and slanderous assertions against them. Now Bush has another cockamamie plan (which is much the same as numerous previous plans) and because the Dems are saying, we're through, we're not agreeing to this, the mealy-mouthed, smug and sanctimonious Kristol, who has been wrong 100% of the time, blames the Dems for not giving Bushie another chance for 6 to 9 months.
The man doesn't have a brain - he is a low life who exists solely on reflexes.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmJules - "That was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win."
Does this site only allow a single comment? Nice dodge.
Nat - Re Bosnia and Kosovo: "Those were NATO led strikes to stop ethnic cleansing in the region."
Saddam engaged in ethnic cleansing as well. And what happened to the left-wing standard that all military actions must be OK-ed by the UN?
There's lots of juvenile name-calling on this website, almost no substance.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:25 pm"How does Juan refrain from hauling off and bitch-slapping Kristol?"
Unlike you, Williams has some class.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmThere’s lots of juvenile name-calling on this website, almost no substance.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Kettle meet Pot
January 21st, 2007 at 1:33 pmHe knows we will not shut up. If his plans depend (even in part) on war critics shutting up, then they are not realistic, hence irresponsible.
The man is a fantasist. I mean, if everyone else dropped out of the race, I could be elected president. Nevermind that it's a stupid idea (me being president) and that there is no chance my condition will be met.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow this always-wrong asshole hasn’t been driven into exile in the swamplands of Florida is beyond me.
Hey! What the hell makes you think we want him here?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmActually, USA Patriot, calling you a dumbass isn't exactly name calling when you live up to the description again and again with your illogical, often contradictory comments, filled with straw men, false dichotomies, and misrepresentations of what others say.
Do you drool when you repeat the talking points?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmI'm not the one name-calling, Jules. Why do you keep dodging the substance?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhy do you keep dodging the substance?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Because there is none.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pmForm over substance seems to be the status quo here with these jerks.
Comment by Jules Nemesis — January 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Congrats Jules - you made the list!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmForm over substance seems to be the status quo here with these jerks.
Comment by Jules Nemesis — January 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Then leave.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmF*** you, Kristol-- welcome to DEMOCRACY! Last I checked, we don't have to line up like good little autoritarian brownshirts & parrot your sh!t. If I support the war, I can be vocal about it. If I oppose the war, I can be vocal about it. That's what DEMOCRACY is all about.
Kristol is a traitorous barstard. And he's got the gall to use the word 'irresponsible.'
~ J
January 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhy do you keep dodging the substance?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Bingo, USA Patriot. There is no substance in your posts. The stuff about Japan and Germany is simultaneously ridiculous and offensive. It makes about as much sense as if I said "so, USA Patriot, you want to rape and murder all the women and children."
January 21st, 2007 at 1:52 pmCongrats Jules - you made the list!
Comment by unbelievable — January 21, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Dang, I have a nemesis. I have truly made it in the TP world. I am both humbled and honored by this!
Actually, I might be honored if my nemesis had a brain!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pmHume: Juan, Juan, Juan, please STFU. How can we be fair and balanced when you're talking sense. Juan, Juan....just STFU, ok? This is my show, and of course prophet Kristol's. All bough down to PNAC, even though they haven't a live post on there for 3 years. Juan, Juan, America, STFU!!
Thank you,
January 21st, 2007 at 1:58 pmFaux News!
Kristol and his group of non-serving, warmongering NEOCON-scum, need to either sign up to get shot at, or STFU. None are veterans-
January 21st, 2007 at 2:06 pmThey are thruly "educated idiots", only too eager to send others' kids to die or get maimed in their failed follies as they pontificated and judge from Above.
Their half-life should have lapsed years ago, lets' hope after this idiocy ends they will be banished to the dustbin of history where they belong.
Did you catch what Brit Hume was doing? He let's Billy Boy go off uninterrupted but as soon as Juan was getting a little common sense and honesty into this conversation, Brit was trying to cut him off. "Juan ... Juan ... Juan". I guess Brit was trying to remind Juan that Faux News is bought and paid for by this rightwing Administration.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:14 pmBill Kristol goes more insane everyday, he doesn't want a desenting opinion? It is not irrisponcible to go after the mad men like Bill Kristol, what is sick and truely irrisponicble is how the intellegent voices, and the sane voices, like on that show, are trying to be suppressed. "Shut up for 9 months"? That's crazy mad man dictator garbage. Bill Kristol is a very sick perverted man.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:22 pm"Saddam engaged in ethnic cleansing as well. And what happened to the left-wing standard that all military actions must be OK-ed by the UN?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:25 pm"
He engaged in ethnic cleansing 15 to 20 years ago while the Reagan and first Bush administration supported him through most of it and provided him with the weapons to accomplish it.
If Saddam was engage in ethnic cleansing today as opposed to 15 to 20 years ago and Bush made this the basis of the war then maybe I and the whole world would have supported it.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:38 pmThis is the same genius who said that it was an urban myth that Sunnis & Shiites could not get along.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhat a short memory he has.
What lack of credibility he and 'W' possess.
The new plan is the same 'stay the course' plan being marketed as a 'new' plan. Other plans have been offered an ignored.
If the results being touted as having an effect in 6 months does not become a realization, ALL the Generals & others who have given this advise should be FIRED. This cannot, and should not, be blamed on the Democrats and Republicans (Hagel) with some intelligence.
Someone should just kill this guy. Put on a suicide vest, give him a hug and blow the motherf*cking demon back down to the hell from whence he came.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:52 pmKristol is one of the original authors of the PNAC, one of the "founding" neo-cons and original hidden architect/promoter of the Iraq war. He has to spin this as the public's failure to have faith, since he knows what a miscaluculation he and his fellow neo-fascists have made this time.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:53 pmEverything that comes out of this chickenhawk's mouth is queef.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:54 pmwhy is kristol still on TV? why would anyone listen to, or respond to him? Kristol is a total, complete disgrace as a human being and as a person worth listening to. Him and ilk have been proven devastatingly wrong. They are the ones that need to be shut up.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:03 pm.
What part of "The American People want out of this WAR" doesn't this guy understand. Let him take his children over there and run road convoys if he thinks it is SO important.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:08 pmWasn't it you, Mr. Kristol, who early on laughed at the talk there was a potential problem between the Sunni ans Shia elements?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmI think Kristol's comments reflect the exact thinking of the administration. Bush clearly thought that at least a few of the democrats would at the least shut up and go along with his " plan " . Now that that isn't the case they do what they do best : Attack the democrats for being weak on security. It is old and tired. If you don't support Bush you hate America. Same old story. The fact is that the only people who thinking this "plan" is going to work are precisly the same people who have the most to lose by being forced to admit that Iraq is not working if and when it fails : the President and his cronies.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmIt's not that he doesn't understand. He thinks the American People don't understand. There's BILLIONS of dollars at stake. Plus, the way he and others see it, our future security depends on appropriating the world's resources for ourselves.
Think about the global consequences, if you will, of American instilling puppet governments in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Next up, Venezuela, followed by the mineral rich regions of Africa. There is a far greater game at play: Global Domination.
People's lives don't matter. All that matters is Power and Control.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:25 pmKristol is the water boy for PNAC. He is arrogant and treasonous. Until he puts on a combat uniform and goes to fight in Iraq, he should just be ignored as should the many other chickenhawks who push endless war.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:29 pmBill Kristol is a bigger twerp than KKKarl and Gonzo Boy.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:36 pmWhat an amazing country we live in that an idiot like that has a roof over his head. It shows how much we care for the truly disadvantaged.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pmAnd what will the consequences be for criminals of this nature after the war?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pm*
Will Kristol, Kagan, et al, fade to nothingness with PNAC's imminent demise? or will programs like those of the totally predictable Fox network continue to try to prop up their nonexistent credibility?
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Will they in ANY way be held accountable for their war-mongering and their insatiable, maniacal need to wield power that spills the blood of others in rivers for them to greedily drink from?
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Dark and poisonous persons that care nothing for the good of mankind overall - rather - unmindful that it mean the destruction of the very planet they live on if it will further their personal, passionate, and misguided ideologies.
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Bill Kristol is such an asshole!
He has absolutely no shame.
-B
January 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe game is blame and the plan is simple. Who lost the war in Iraq? The democrat congress (remember to insult them by giving them an ugly name) and the "drive-by media" (Rush Limbaugh's insulting name for anyone who disagrees with the Bush agenda.) These traitors undermined the President of the United States at the critical hour. These cowards are to blame for losing the war in Iraq. The are to blame for all the deaths in Iraw. are to blame for the dead and wounded soldiers.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:45 pmKristol means "It's so upsetting that I can't lie without fact checkers for 6 to 9 months"
I think a much better thing would be his public beating, live on TV. When he's bleeding and screaming for his roles in mass murder , other conservatives will see the pain he's in and it's the only way they'll learn.
A conservative only respects fear. They are incapable of anything else
January 21st, 2007 at 3:49 pmI wonder how many "chances" would Kristol be willing to give a President with a "D" after his name?
Hmmmm........
January 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmKristol can either shut his yapper or be deported to Israel! Shame on him!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmBeyond belief. Someone telling us to shut up. Just beyond belief.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:12 pm"What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing."
There IS NOTHING THAT ANYONE CAN DO to change "the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday." Nothing.
What a MORON! Why are such people allowed to waste our precious oxygen, much less pollute our airwaves with their mindless prattling?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pm"What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing."
Ahem... there is nothing that ANYONE can do to "change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday." Nothing.
What a MORON! This man should be put on restricted access to oxygen, since he's clearly wasting it.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmUh... I see this sort of thing updates a little slowly... pardon me for the repeat post.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pmBill Kristol is a judeo-nazi traitor. As all Aipac people are.
He is a coward who dodged the draft and now he wants more Americans to die for his real love, nazi Israel.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:29 pmBe quiet for 6 or 9 months?
Well, Mr. Kristol,
How about YOU, personally, get to
deliver the death notices to
every single family who
loses a soldier in Iraq in the
next 6 or 9 months.
How 'bout that??
January 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmThere are TV channels that are haunted by real ghosts. Fox by Kristol and Meet the Press by McCain.
As soon as you touch the remote they come floating in, week after week ,when it is not day after day.
They are there in an earthly presence, telling the poor blighted fools so dear to Cheney's heart, provided he ever had one, what they see in their crystal balls.
They really ought to make it a threesome with Friedman.
The Greek got propheties from their Gods at Delphe, Epidaure and Dodonne, we get ours with a click of the TV.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:56 pmMir Kristol has shown, time and again, that he lives in some theoretical universe in which nobody gets hurt, nobody suffers, only pure throught exists. When, and if, he ever enlists and asks for front line duty to support the President, then and only then would I support the critics of the war keeping quiet. Otherwise, Kristol is just another aormy apologist for Bush & Co. He acts as if his s--t doesn't stink, as if nothing bad or stupid or amateurish has happened before on this President's watch, so, common, give the guy another chance, will ya?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:59 pmDear Mr. Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 5:09 pmWould you kindly disapear and not speak for the next 6 to 9 months?
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Raven
Mr. Kristol has no right to tell anyone to be quite, especially when he has been wron on Iraq so many times.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:10 pmKristol is a moron.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pmGive him a rifle, include him in the 21,000
man surge and let's see how long it takes before he shits in his pants!
The PNAC ship just keeps sailing along with their idiotic "plans" for foreign affairs.
What a lame ass that Krystol is.
I remember when he called democrats "bugs bunny" democrats. Well does that make the republicans "Elmer Fudd" republicans?
All I know is Bugs always outsmarted and hoodwinked poor little Elmer with his shotgun.
Krystol's analog on that one is totally messed up...or is it.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pmThese A-holes can twist it and turn it around all they want. The fact remains; this invasion/occupation has been going on four years already and there is no end in sight. The neo-cons would love to have people believe that they are unsuccessful because the liberals won't stop complaining. That is a little like the villiage idiot blaming his inability to do his homework because he couldn't figure out how to turn on the lights. These creeps that continually thump thier primate chests for attention should be carted off to Iraq so that they can help rebuild the Cradle of Civilization that we destroyed so completely. The insanity must end.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pmDear Mr. Bill,
Please go and fight. Or, please be quiet for the next six to nine months. Or, please run for elected office.
Just please do anything other than what you are doing now, you traitor.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhy is this news to anyone? Because the media hardly ever mentions that Kristol wasw one of the co-founders of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). It was Kristol and his gang in Washington (Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc.) who steered this administration into the fiasco that is Iraq. It is these idealogues who are now urging the crazed George Bush into Iran. They and their neo-conservative lunacy should have been discredited long ago. The mainstream media have treated PNAC with kid gloves, and I can't fathom why. They are among the most viperous and seditionary forces the US has ever seen.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:03 pmand in six to nine months he will WANT US TO BE QUIET FOR ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTHS ad nauseum.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:05 pmKristol is a Republican bootlicker. He ought to be ashamed. I'm sure he would wait 6-9 months if Clinton was President. He'd be ready to castrate him. I wonder if he read Winston Churchhill's comment in the '20s that "Iraq is an ungrateful volcanoe." Anything changed here? It is unbelievable.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pmKristol is a Republican bootlicker. He ought to be ashamed. I'm sure he would wait 6-9 months if Clinton was President. He'd be ready to castrate him. I wonder if he read Winston Churchhill's comment in the '20s that "Iraq is an ungrateful volcanoe." Anything changed here? It is unbelievable.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pm"It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months...."
January 21st, 2007 at 6:12 pmI think he forgot the operative word.....as in can't you be quiet for 6 or 9 months MORE. The past 4 years has had more than enough silence! I will not be silent!
I would like to see Kristol lead the charge into battle (ala Patton) since he's one of a chosen few Patriots.
I've got my own term for these people... Hatriots
BTW read "Bingo!" here by Jane Smiley if you get a chance. Explains the "Culture Warrior" thing quite well.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:15 pmOH! let's forget the last 3 yrs. of lying ineptitude and give this asshole chance number whatever BK is a pompous and pretentious dickhead only about 30% of America gives a big rat's ass what you have to say
January 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmit's always great to be able to double-down when you're using someone else's amex gold card, although i think bushco got wall street to issue him a amex blood red card
January 21st, 2007 at 6:27 pmit's always great to be able to double-down when you're using someone else's amex gold card, although i think bushco got wall street to issue him an amex blood red card
January 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pmGW got is into Iraq for his desire to be a "great president" Wars make for "greatness" in history books. But he also believes that wars once fought must be won. His present concondrum is: What can I do to win? His answer: Enlarge the war by hook or crook. So do not expect this war to wind down ; expect it to enlarge. Possibly by starting some confrontation with Iran ; possibly something else. Should then a Democrat get into the White House and try to change his wars into peace Democrats will be accused of being traitors in a fashion reminiscent of A. Hitler in the inter war years. The beautiful USA might be in big trouble thanks to Bush , a man who should never have wanted to be president, who was never elected as president. Sad is the final summary.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pmNot anyone else but this idiot should shut up until this war is over.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:41 pmNot anyone else but this idiot should shut up until this war is over.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmThis war has nothing to do with keeping this country safe from harm. It has everything to do with privatized oil profit and the politics of restructuring the Middle East, to accomodate Saudi Arabia. I will never shut up and I will never forget what has happened, this past six years. All this happened for a reason; to help make me pay attention to what our elected officials are doing with our trust and the stewardship of thier appointments. Treason is an awfully strong accusation, but I believe that is just what these pink monkeys with Messiah complexes have committed.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pmWhat a fuggin sociopath. He cares more about politics-as-sport than he does his country, or American lives. He smirks his way through Fox show after Fox show, pretending to be more than a thoroughly-discredited intellectual-flyweight.
He's nothing. A nobody. A desperate little weenie that's out to prove all the popular people from his High School wrong. You can see it in his eyes and hear it in his arguments- he has no ethics, no shame, and no empathy. S O C I O P A T H
You can't argue with these people because they refuse to agree to a "baseline of facts."
January 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmLook at the "Digg it" comments that quote him speaking on NPR to Terry Gross about how well he expected the Sunni and Shia to get along since "Iraq has always been secular."
What a complete psycho.
I think Bill Kristol would like us to become louder.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmThis guy is so creepy. He thinks he's master of the universe and that this is not a country of "We The People". He wishes the populace would just shut up. This creep isn't even a representative of the people; he was voted to nothing. Again, I can't believe this creep is given face time on television week after week as if he represents the government or the people. This is a government of the people, and he (and others) can't get that through their little Authoritarian, Double-High, halucinating thick skulls.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmThat Black guy on the show is commendable for having to deal with this mad man in a controlled manner. I know Bill Kristol needs and deserves a few slugs to the face.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:36 pmThink Progress, a real suggestion: invite Bill Kristol to read these comments, or mail them to him, so he knows. Because God knows that all of us are smarter than him and he needs help in the reality department.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pmhey kristol... why don't you get out your jackboots and start goosestepping around you fascist gestapo-headed freedom hating brownshirt.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmKristol - big time neocon...his old man founded the whole movement. Want to know the source of all of the world's trouble:
THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE! Cheney, his wife, Kristol, Rummy, Wolfowitz - the list is endless
Half the Bush admin came from there...they even keep popping up on NPR radio every week spouting their b.s. - irritates me to no end with the influence they have filtered into every branch and level of our government.
Check it out at Wikipedia or SourceWatch. Now if we could only get the average slob on the street to wake up and realize this.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmThere are some in Congress who would require Fox to give equal time to opposing view points. Imagine that happening. How difficult would it be to refute the nonsense that spews forth from Kristol et al.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Rep._believes_Democratic_media_reform_bill_0121.html
Rep. believes Democratic media reform bill may prevent possible 'fascist' takeover of US media
January 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmI think Kristol could win the No Talent Ass-Clown award or be a close runner-up behind Rush, O'Reilly, Bush, Cheney... the list goes on.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:06 pmOnly FoxNews would give Kristol (a founder of PNAC & thereby one of the architects of this disaster) a platform to repeat PNAC lies in the face of over a 1/2 million Iraqi civilian deaths & 3000 American soldiers deaths and counting. What's up, not ENOUGH BLOOD SPILLED YET????
Kristol along with the other F#@%%$#CKING VAMPIRES in PNAC should all be sent to Gitmo forever!
ESCALATE THE IMPEACHMENTS, NOT THE WARS!!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:13 pmAs Dick(head Chaney) blabbered to Sen. Leahy on the Senate floor...Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pm"GO PHUCK YOURSELF!"
Jon Stewart has him on alot and does not, in my opinion, skewer Kristol sufficiently.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pmStewart parries and jabs ticklishly and Kristol gets nasty with a smile on his face, and Stewart doesn't fire back. Pretty shabby. That's about it on the media circuit for refuting the lies and distortions that Kristol nacht spews.
Israel must be defended, I dont care how many American lives it takes says Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 8:22 pmGILAD ATZMON asks the question in an interesting article. It applies to Kristol.
"Is there a linear ideological continuum between the Israeli vision of Middle East interests and the architects behind the New American Century project? Is there continuum between the crime carried out against the Palestinian people in Gaza in the name of the war on terror and the crime against the Iraqi people committed in the name of ‘liberation’?"
Between the Shtetl and the Big City
January 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pmOne Hundred Years of Jewish Solitude
http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon01202007.html
"F*CK YOU, WE’LL NEVER BE QUIET AS LONG AS YOU’RE SCREWING OVER MY COUNTRY, A**HOLE"
Who's screwing over this country? You libs are the ones who won't let the mightiest military in the history of the world to fight their fight! It's you libs who blabber day after day, month after month, year after year about mistreating prisoners at Ahbu Graib. It's you libs who blabber on about how our intelligent services monitor phone calls that a computer raises a red flag about! It's you libs who accuse our soldiers of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the might! It's you libs who forge military records trying to embarrass the President! It's you libs who reveal our secret prisons. We want to win this war but I'm starting to have my doubts when there are a large number of democrats in my country who are aiding and abetting our enemies! You don't think that they read all your hate? Just like the North Vietnamese they have time on their side. They can afford to be pests until their enablers (democrats) pave the path for them. Congratulations traitors!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:37 pmJuan Williams is fighting the good fight. He is a rational MAN, the Kristel he is opposing is trying to overcome the incompetence of the right wing. Juan Williams
January 21st, 2007 at 8:39 pmand Kristal are fighting on the edge of the edge. If you've gotten this far in the
comments you are asking which is right??? If you know about HUMAN BEINGS
you know that the one who has lied and lied did so for a reason. He thought
that by throwing crumbs to us he would get our minds. He was wrong.
Thank God we can still think. The best I can do is to trust in the people of Iran.
They are educated, they know what is about to happen to them. I am listening
to AirAmerica because I am not stupid. But I "don't Know" bout them either.
Michael says libs won't let US fight their fight
Which fight is that Michael? Against terrorists. Yeah, right. Except, IRaq wasn't harboring terrorists until...until..we invaded it.
Which fight is that Michael? Against wmd? Yeah, right. Except, Iraq didn't have wmd until we invaded.
Which fight is that Michael? Against sectarian violence> Yeah right, Except there wasn't any until we invaded.
SO which fight is 'their' fight?
January 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pmJuan Williams wouldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pmMichael, if you want to fight terrorists, invade Saudi Arabia.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pmWE'RE irresponsible?? We didn't start a f&%$@!ing war for NO REASON!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:57 pmGood for Juan Williams for pointing out that Kristol was being a tad blinded by his own politics and opinions. Let's do some basic math for Mr. Kristol's benefit: Let's take the low end of his suggested waiting period--6 months (a half a year or 182.5 days). If we take a modest death rate of say 8 Americans and 50 Iraqis a day what would Kristol's waiting period mean? 1,460 Americans and 9,121 Iraqis killed. Ok, so we all know that a bottom feeder like Kristol doesn't consider Iraqis a group anyone need be concerned with and so they really don't enter into his thinking. Still, 1,500 Americans dead and many, many more wounded...so he, Bush, Fredrick Kagan, and company can test a theory? And what if these people are wrong? I mean, they haven't been right about a single aspect of the Middle East conflict so far (recall Americans will be embraced as liberators Mr. Kristol?) and so we should ignore their abysmal track record and embrace this new idea? Why? Because Bush is "The Decider?" The only think he is compenent to decide is whether he wants his eggs scrambled or poached. I'll tell you what...if Kristol, Bush, Kagan, and the rest of those who think escalation is such a great idea, let them donate their children to the foder pool. I wonder how gung ho Bush would be if his two daughters were packingtheir bags for al Anbar. What would Laura say? Have we bought life insurance for ourt kids George? I have a better idea. Bush, Kristol, and the rest bet the bank using someone elses assets and lost. See that wasn't so hard to say. Rather than continue receiving large fees for speaking as purported authorities on anything MIddle Eastern these guys should shut the Hell up...we should ship Bushand Cheney to The Hague for trial as a war criminal if we had any sense at all. I'd suggest the brilliant minds find something else to screw up but I'd better not do that since they might go out and do it.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:00 pmVictory is making Iraq safe for the oil companies.
Democracy is having a government they can buy like the one here.
Our war, the Iraq civil war, Sadam's war in Kuwait, etc., all are fights over a pieces of the oil revenues.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pm"Which fight is that Michael? Against terrorists. Yeah, right. Except, IRaq wasn’t harboring terrorists until…until..we invaded it"
That a bunch of BS! There has always been terrorists in Iraq.
"Which fight is that Michael? Against wmd? Yeah, right. Except, Iraq didn’t have wmd until we invaded"
We didn't invade Iraq for WMD! We invaded Iraq so that we could have a huge military presence between Iran & Syria!
"Which fight is that Michael? Against sectarian violence> Yeah right, Except there wasn’t any until we invaded"
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands dead Iraqis and Kurds!
January 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pmBush is a crazy son of a bitch.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:09 pmThe fact is congress was quiet for 3+ years, while controlled by the republicans, and we can see where that got us. Incompetence in the preparation planning and execution of the war in Iraq. Maybe had republicans done their job, and people like Kristol been truely honest commentators the mess would not be as bad as it is. Another 6-9 months of quiet will only lead the country and the miliatry deeper into the quagmire that is Iraq. This administration and the likew of Kristol have had ample quiet time to make things work and have failed misserably. The real solution is to try them all for treason/at least incompetence, and stick them with the bill. Let them and their heirs pay for the mess they have wrought.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:18 pmCurious about the criteria for deleting posts.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:16 pmIs irrelevance the criteria? If so why wasn't Michael's post above deleted as well?
Michael
January 21st, 2007 at 10:19 pmThe hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Kurds occurred when we were providing Saddam with money and nerve gas. Get your facts straight dude, you are a dope.
Do you think that when George and Dick are standing next to each other at the urinal, they compare each other's WMD? Maybe THAT'S why George has such a "deer caught in the headlight" look, and that's why Dick's defibilator takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmLets see the MORON in the WHITE HOUSE has had 5 plus years to come up with a plan now that the peopl are in BACK in POWER it is up to the New Congress to come up with a plan because the GUTLESS COWARDS were to busy stilling the TREASURY to be concerned not counting the CONSTITUTIONAL violations that they are trying to work around the out and out CONDEMNATION of CONGRESS the untter CONTEMPT for the JUDICIARY Branch and the flaggrent fireing of Federal Prosecutors so they can manipulate the law to serve their purposes. Lets convict Spineless cheney, then IMPEACH (spits) bush and cheney. Then give the Government BACK to the PEOPLE.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmMichael
January 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pmIf anyone is the traitor it's Bush. He sold out the US to the Saudis and to AIPAC. Sold out our military sons and daughters for pieces of gold, for billions. Lets our children fight for the Saudi and Israeli lust for power.
The US was attacked on 9-11. The reason for terror in the world is that Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters teach hate and incite violence.
If someone is a Bathist, Khomeni supporter or a Bin Laden follower then they are an enabler of terrorism and a war criminal .
Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters have been after the US for a long time. Let them give up their war.
Just remember gave up their war then there would not have been any war. Let them give their war. They are the problem not the US.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:35 pmJonathan
January 21st, 2007 at 10:39 pmYeah. The Saudis. They are Baathist supporters. They are not Khomeni followers. In fact Khomeni had nothing to do with 911, but the Saudis did. Funny you leave them out.
Many Saudis support Bin Laden. Those that do are included. And in fact many Saudis are supporting the insurgents.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:44 pmOne more thing Iran may have helped the 9-11 hijackers.
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Friday, Jul. 16, 2004
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
January 21st, 2007 at 10:46 pmJonathan
January 21st, 2007 at 10:47 pmBin Ladin is a Saudi, so where most of the 9-11 hijackers
Maybe Iran helped Al Qaeda
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Friday, Jul. 16, 2004
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
January 21st, 2007 at 10:48 pmThe Saudis are the origin of the 9-11 hijackers.
Bush kisses the lips of the Saudi Prince.
By your logic then, Bush is "an enabler of terrorism and a war criminal"
We agree then
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 pm"why wasn’t Michael’s post above deleted as well?"
If you disagree with it tell us why?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 pmThe mideast the way it is before 9-11 was a threat to the US. Terrorism happens because mideast regimes and elties teach hate and incite violence.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:50 pmJonathan
Interesting article of distortion. When you read the article you see that all it says is that the hijackers passed through Iran and that Iran followed their moves from entry to exit. Unlike the US intelligence people who failed to watch the hijackers moves.
The article does not say there's a connection between the hijackers and Iran.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:51 pm"The hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Kurds occurred when we were providing Saddam with money and nerve gas"
Huh? The Germans & Italians were our allies, the Soviet Union was our allies. So what? Times and conditions change. Stop living in the past and deal with the present!
January 21st, 2007 at 10:52 pmMichael
January 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pmI've told you why. Bush is the traitor if any one is. He's sold out our military youth to the Saudi and Israeli and oil company lust for power and money. Maybe you can't read as well as think.
Iran is a police state , Iran was watching Al Qaeda people go through their country Iran let them go free to attack the US.
I don't know the level of support Iran gave to them, but it is interesting that they went through Iran.
Maybe there are some ties between Al Qaeda and Iran.
Iran supports another terror - hate group by the name of Hizzbollah. So who knows.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pm"Do you think that when George and Dick are standing next to each other at the urinal, they compare each other’s WMD? Maybe THAT’S why George has such a “deer caught in the headlight†look, and that’s why Dick’s defibilator takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’."
Did I see on this thread where someone was complaining about irrelevance?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pm"He sold out the US to the Saudis and to AIPAC. Sold out our military sons and daughters for pieces of gold, for billions"
And I'm certain that you can back those statements up with facts?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmAyatollah Khomeni was attacking the US , and funding terror and trying to conquer the mideast.
Saddam was also trying to conquer the mideast.
The US supported Stalin against Hitler too.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmIf it is true that the release of the Iranian hostages was delayed to champion Reagan and humiliate Carter then the democrats are right to challenge the war. Now it is irresponsible to challenge the war without regard for victory, but after watching these idiots bungle the job for three years what credibility do they have?
I agree with Speaker Pelosi, in that Bush from the start has used the troops as a political tool to fuel his incompetence. Any criticism of the war policy can be derided as harmful to the troops,and in the past unpatriotic, and consequently the Prez gets a blank check. As the decider Bush's job is to secure America, but he could care less about the troops. I don't care what face he puts on in public, he cares just as much about the troops as he did the victims of Katrina.
And where in the Constitution does it provide the Prez the authority to employ mercenaries? These private security companies staffed by ex-special forces and intelligence agents may be "patriotic" but they don't fall under any legal authority. They are private armies fighting for the Prez which I think should be reviewed. I mean whose law are they beholden to?
I can give a convincing speech and cry about how much I love cauliflower and it would all be a lie. This President was elected as a pitchman more than a thinker, he puts a human face on the inhuman policies of Dick Cheney.
So if the military families want to support a butcher and a liar let them. He mislead them into an unnecessary war, some would even argue his administration engineered the attack on their own country. If they think his policies are worth dying for then they can do that too. But when they die don't blame the democrats, and don't blame the President blame yourselves. A soldier's creed is to blindly follow orders, but in our democracy it is the citizen publics responsibility to question authority; and the citizenry in this conflict has shirked that responsibility due to fear. A fear fabricated and managed by this very administration to quash dissent while they stuffed their pockets.
Does Osama Bin Ladin now run the opium trade?
In retrospect--40 years of hindsight--it is obvious to me something was amiss in America during the Kennedy assassination. I only hope it doesn't take an equal time to realize something is amiss here following 911.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmMichael
Huh? The Germans & Italians were our allies, the Soviet Union was our allies. So what?
Sorry but you've failed to make a case or support your argument with that weak assertion.
Times and conditions change. Stop living in the past and deal with the present!
And the present is that Bush lied and thousands died for no reason. That's the present. You try to dress it up with "if only we'd let the generals do their job" or "if only the libs would let us win"
What weak kneed excuses for a failed and criminal plan perpetrated by a misguided and criminal mind.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pmJonathan
Maybe there are some ties between Al Qaeda and Iran.
Wait a minute Jonathan. Earlier you were asserting there were ties. Now you're saying maybe. Maybe doesn't cut it.
You cast aspersions through innuendo. Typical neocon distortion.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:58 pmThe US gave Saddam nerve gas. Really prove it. The US allowed Saddam to buy stuff that could be used for nerve gas. I don't know why some need to drum up the charges against the US.
Russia , France and Germany gave Iraq much more than the US ever did.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:59 pmOne more thing Iran may have helped the 9-11 hijackers
that is what I said please look above.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:59 pm"I’ve told you why. Bush is the traitor if any one is. He’s sold out our military youth to the Saudi and Israeli and oil company lust for power and money"
I can go to any blog and make statements like the ones you made but unless I could back it up with a fact or two I really wouldn't want to make myself look foolish like you just did!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:01 pm"And the present is that Bush lied"
What lie?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:02 pmJonathan
Here's proof of US nerve gas duplicity with Saddam
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,866942,00.html
And there's plenty more where that came from
January 21st, 2007 at 11:02 pmJonathan
More proof
U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29¬Found=true
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 pmWait a minute Jonathan. Earlier you were asserting there were ties. Now you’re saying maybe. Maybe doesn’t cut it.
You cast aspersions through innuendo. Typical neocon distortion
see my post above , now who was distorting.
By the way didn't Saddam continue to threaten Kuwait? Didn't Saddam try to kill a US president. And Saddam might not have had WMDS but he certainly had lots of stuff that he was not supposed to have.
He also supported terror and incited violence.
If he had given up his war then there would have been no war.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 pmJonathan
More proof
January 21st, 2007 at 11:04 pmRumsfeld "Offered Help to Saddam"
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/2002/1231rumsfeld.htm
Jonathan
January 21st, 2007 at 11:04 pmThe Saddam in Rumsfeld's Closet
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm
Jonathan
This is a good one
The Ties That Blind
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 pmHow Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons
http://www.counterpunch.org/dixon06172004.html
Some have said the US sold chemical weapons.
Did the US sell Saddam chemical weapons or just allow Iraq to buy chemicals. I am sure the US helped Saddam but the US never gave Iraq "chemical weapons"
January 21st, 2007 at 11:06 pmKristol is a complete jerk. And, like so many of the neocon brigade, not a veteran, much less a combat veteran. Oh, he is so swinish. 27 killed this weekend. If Iraqis -- Shia, Sunni, Kurd -- all turn their machine guns and AK-47s, not too mention, RPGs, up into the air every time an American chopper passed over. Or, if Sadr City is attacked, thousands and thousands of AK-47s firing clip after clip into the air at American choppers! Gee, Bill! How about you get YOUR ass over there.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:06 pmI am 70% disabled, combat infantry veteran of the Vietnam War -- and today, watching "Babel," in the bloody scene where Cate Blanchet is shot -- similiar to the one I had happen to me -- I had one of the worst flashbacks I've ever had. 40 years after the fact!!
Guys like Kristol should be shipped over to Iraq and allowed to drive all over the damned country in uparmored SUVs. What a coward. But, Bill, if 27 Americans are killed every weekend from now until "the end of the summer," maybe General Casey IS right: the Americans WILL be withdrawing by then.
Only it might actually be much worse by then, with hundreds more American casualties because Bill Kristol, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condolezza Rice, Jack Keane and Frederick Kagan all got their ways. They are, after all, "the deciders," apparently, in a monarchy.
Jonathan, be careful. Look at the sources of some of those articles!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pmThey can afford to be pests until their enablers (democrats) pave the path for them. Congratulations traitors!
Comment by michael — January 21, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
PESTS-The people that yesterday killed 25 our service members! Who is your daddy michael? Kristol? Scum I would say-the both of you.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pmI'll be quiet for as long as the mineralized one can hold his breath.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pmHopefully a couple of weeks.
Didn’t Saddam try to kill a US president. And Saddam might not have had WMDS but he certainly had lots of stuff that he was not supposed to have.
Jonathan where's your proof for any of your confused assertions. You don't have any.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:08 pmWhy isn't michael required to back up his statements?
Just sayin'
January 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pmI am sure the US helped Saddam but the US never gave Iraq “chemical weaponsâ€
No the US sold him gas. It's all about money sweet heart.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:11 pmZooey
January 21st, 2007 at 11:16 pmNeither Michael or Jonathan can back up any of their statements because their statements are false.
Why isn’t michael required to back up his statements?
Just sayin’
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Seems it has some thing to do with a "Potato" that either has him backed up or prevents him from backing up. Got that from an earlier thread.:-)
add to that he thinks that people that kill American service members are just "pests".
January 21st, 2007 at 11:19 pmJust seems like ya'll spent an awful lot of time and effort on that twerp.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:31 pmBut I appreciate all the links! :)
"PESTS-The people that yesterday killed 25 our service members! Who is your daddy michael? Kristol? Scum I would say-the both of you"
First of all I want to applaud you for a typical liberal NON response. Yes they are pests! And as long as they pick off one soldier here another there without any serious response from us because, my God, let's not hurt their feelings, we will lose this because the way our soldiers are fighting now is one eye on the enemy over there and their other eye on the enemy over here!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:38 pm"Neither Michael or Jonathan can back up any of their statements because their statements are false"
Now let's be clear about this; there is a difference between opinion and facts. So I'd like to ask you what would you like me to back up? By the way, I never see any facts to back up the rhetoric from you lefties!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:41 pm"Just seems like ya’ll spent an awful lot of time and effort on that twerp.
But I appreciate all the links! :)"
Zooey, if I'm not mistaken I have encountered you on other posts. If I remember correctly, you were no challenge there and you are certainly no challenge here!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:51 pmIRRESPONSIBLE?
Irresponsible is failing to guard nearly 400 tons of high-explosives in an occupation in which the C-in-C approved the complete disbanding of the indigenous security forces, overnight -- without regard for our soldiers' inability to secure the country on their own.
• Irresponsible is publishing Hussein's detailed nuclear bomb plans on the Internet.
• Irresponsible is hiring totally-inexperienced twenty-somethings from rightwing central casting to run the CPA ("Can't Produce Anything," as they became known).
• Irresponsible is giving Custer Battles $2 Million in duffel bags so they -- with ZERO experience -- could 'guard' the Baghdad airport and ripoff the US taxpayer while failing to fulfill the contract, only to reward them by giving these unbonded Shitehouse friends another $25 M to transfer Hussein's old dinars. Who could have imagined that the president of Custer Battles would be caught and arrested at Lebanon International airport, trying to hustle said millions of dinars out of the ME in duffel bags.
(surprising that we hear nothing about what has happened to that criminal since)
• Irresponsible is deploying 1,500 troops to Afghanistan, allowing 'Dead or Alive" Bin Laden to escape and reorganize.
• Irresponsible is going to sleep in August 2001, so that the "New Pearl Harbor" can come off as planned.
No, wait -- that one's TREASON.
Nevermind.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pmZooey, if I’m not mistaken I have encountered you on other posts. If I remember correctly, you were no challenge there and you are certainly no challenge here!
Comment by michael
Oh that one hurt, really. Now I'll be up all night crying. Pffftt...
I am simply making an observation, mikey.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 amWhat are you doing, beside being a twit?
Irresponsible is:
Lying about US soldiers flushing the koran down the toilet
Accusing our soldiers of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night
Trying over and over to publish to the world irrelevant photos from Ahbu Graib
Accusing our soldiers of poor treatment of detainees at Gitmo
Forging military documents about our President
Revealing our secret prisons
Revealing our surveillance methods
During WWII you would have been rounded up and imprisoned for these traitorous acts! I don't know how you live with yourselves?
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 am"What are you doing, beside being a twit?"
Keeping you leftists honest!
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 amHere's the short of it. All those TV Spundits work for the same Corporations that are profiting from this War. GE, need I say more. Those guys are all part of the War Machine and they will never render any real resistance. Do you think any of the MSM, except Keith Obermann, will actually render some meaningful commentary that isn't read off the Corporate Teleprompter! Our blood is what drives the Machine. Stay on your Congress People like Poison Oak, an itch they'll always have to scratch.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 am"Here’s the short of it. All those TV Spundits work for the same Corporations that are profiting from this War. GE, need I say more. Those guys are all part of the War Machine and they will never render any real resistance"
Care to provide anything to back up your rhetoric?
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 amKeeping you leftists honest!
Comment by michael
Please...
Work on the wingnuts first -- they really need your help.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 am"I mean, just look at you. You *demand* others back up their rhetoric, but simply saying your keeping others *honest* is rhetoric that’s not backed up!"
What the f@#k are you talking about? I'll back up anything I say! Just ask me. I've asked a couple of you to back it up and all I hear is silence!
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 amWhat the f@#k are you talking about? I’ll back up anything I say!
Can you prove Saddam wasn't sold weapons, including dual use chemicals, by American firms?
I didn't think so.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 amCheck out Kristol and "surge" plan architect Fred Kagan's great hypocrisy and shamelessness over the last 2 months on BRAD BLOG
The surge is likely to fail unless troop levels are bumped by
50,000
40,000
35,000
33,000
31,500
30,000
21,500
Sold!
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 am"Irresponsible is:"
The things in the list I provided, coward, that you were unable to confront. How would you like it if Eisenhower handed Hitler nuclear bomb plans? How about if Eisenhower gave EVERYONE in Germany those nuclear bomb plans?
• Do you REALLY think it's responsible to not write orders to guard high-explosives in an occupation?
"Lying about US soldiers flushing the koran down the toilet"
No, that's your lie. US soldiers were never accused of that. MI and MPs were accused of that, and evidence of it occuring have been documented.
"Accusing our soldiers of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night"
Again, a fact many hundreds of times over. The family slaughtered to cover the rape of a 16 year old missed your radar, eh?
"Trying over and over to publish to the world irrelevant photos from Ahbu Graib"
Irrelevant to what? Those actions are and were warcrimes. They are and were illegal under US law, under the UN Torture Compact, and under the Geneva Conventions Chapter 3, as the Supreme Court of the United States RULED they were.
"Accusing our soldiers of poor treatment of detainees at Gitmo"
Clearly true.
"Forging military documents about our President"
Unnecessary. Gw LIED about his papers, about his service, and hasn't to this day admitted that he was GROUNDED for failing to take a drug test, during the time period where he has admitted to being a drug user.
"Revealing our secret prisons"
Secret prisons are illegal under the UN charter and other US laws.
"Revealing our surveillance methods"
Revealing nuclear weapons plans is a bit more important than exposing illegal domestic spying.
"During WWII you would have been rounded up and imprisoned for these traitorous acts! --michael
General Eisenhower would have already court-martialed Corporal Bush for his total incompetence, his crimes against the troops, and his criminal refusal to follow the Geneva Conventions.
You're a liar, dude.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:48 amDear Mike (#299),
Sir, i would love to see what you have ot back up the idea that this war has been executed properly to this point. Further, i would suggest that you read the wealth of information pointing ot utter mismanagment of our troops by GWB. I feel very strongly that this man and his advisors have put my family in harms way by pursuing an illegal war to do nothing more than make money and consolidate power!
Best
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:52 amRon
Hey anyone can show that the US sold Saddam Chemical weapons?
Not the stuff that is used in chemical weapons. CHEMICAL WEAPONS please show it.
Again people on this board feel the need to exagerate the charges.
The US did help Saddam against Khomeni , but Khomeni was mass killing fascist too.
The US helped Stalin against Hitler too.
Anyway France , Germany and Russia gave Saddam far more than the US ever did.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 amSaddam tried to kill the first president Bush when he went to Kuwait.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/28/wirq228.xml
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Although no weapons of mass destruction have been found by U.S. inspectors searching Iraq, Saddam Hussein's government was hiding prohibited equipment, laboratories and other activities of concern to those fighting terrorism, the leader of the U.S. search team said Sunday.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/10/05/kay.wmd/index.html
Iraq Masses Troops Against Kuwait, October 1994
"Does [America] realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?"
Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htm
The real question, then, is whether Mr. Saddam can be deterred. At present, most evidence suggests he can. After Desert Storm, he never took steps that precipitated US military action capable of imperiling his hold on power. He again threatened Kuwait in 1994 but backed off when the Clinton administration responded militarily. He tolerated inspectors until he rightly recognised that impeding their work would be met with only limited US and British air strikes. He invaded Kuwait in 1990 only after the US suggested it would tolerate such an action. He is a monster, but also someone who clearly wants to stay in power and stay alive.
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/6/judis-j.html
Was Saddam in compliance or not?
Did Saddam give up his war or not?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:21 amIrresponsible is publishing Hussein’s detailed nuclear bomb plans on the Internet
Why would Saddam Hussein have detailed nuclear plans?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:23 amHey anyone can show that the US sold Saddam Chemical weapons?"--Jonathan
You phrase your lie well, since you know that the US supplied dual-use precursors, as did many other countries.
The REAL U.S. crime was complicity in Hussein's chemical weapons DEPLOYMENT against the Iranian fixed positions.
That was, and is, a major warcrime.
Reagan-Bush gave Hussein specific satellite intel and thereby PARTICIPATED in his illegal chemical weapons attacks on their enemies.
• After GHWB called for an Iraqi rebellion after the Gulf War, Gen'l Schwarzkopf gave Hussein use of his attack helicopters, and then stood back and did NOTHING while Hussein dropped Sarin nerve gas and then mustard gass on the Marsh Shi'ites in 1992.
That's a second act of direct complicity in the use of chemical weapons.
• The USAF ADMITTED to attacking 'enemy' persons with white phosphorus -- an illegal use of chemical weapons, during one of several COMPLETELY ILLEGAL attacks on Fallujah.
Three fully-documented instances of U.S. violation of chemical weapons ban treaties and in fact U.S. law.
Put those in your pipe and smoke them -- APOLOGIST.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:06 am"Why would Saddam Hussein have detailed nuclear plans?" --Jonathan
He was given them by Bush ALLY Pakistan's national hero, A.Q. Khan.
"In January 2004, he confessed to having been involved in a clandestine international network of nuclear weapons technology proliferation from Pakistan to Libya, Iran and North Korea."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
Got any more stupid questions?
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:10 amNot to mention the dropping of thousands of tons of half-strength uranium on Iraq, a violation of the Genocide Treaty, which the U.S. under Reagan signed.
Causing hundreds of thousands of current and future cases of childhood leukemia are an act of genocide.
"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
DU produces all of the above, when (d) and (e) are taken in their spirit, which is destroying a nation's children.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:15 amWait, wait,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Apparently Hussein had the help of most of the countries of W. Europe for the materiel and quite a bit of the tech.
As far as the weapon's plans -- they may have come from the USSR if not from Pakistan.
Sorry for the error.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 amThat linked article in wikipedia has several propaganda points left hanging to create a false impression. The author(s) have selectively quoted Kay, and others, and omitted any mention of that the British reports were immediately discredited, and that in fact one was derived from a college term paper. It is also not very well documented for several key claims.
Example:
"As stories of atrocities from the occupation of Kuwait spread, several of which later proved false...."
Which completely neglects to mention that the GHWB admin HIRED A PUBLIC RELATIONS COMPANY TO PRODUCE THOSE LIES, with the help of the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador, who gave false evidence to the U.S. Congress, as well as not revealing her correct identity.
Little facts like that give pretty good evidence to who (or rather WHICH) wrote the article.
Does have some good details, so long as they support the Bushco agenda.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 amThe Weekly Standard is a progaganda organ that played a crucial role in dragging America into conducting the lies based Neocon attack on Iraq. It stands to reason, that Bill Kristol would want Americans to be quiet. Indeed, the whole thing turned out to be a mess and those resposible dont want America to know.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:07 am[...] If you believe whackjobs like Bill Kristol, we are not even supposed to mention the numbers of American and Iraqi people that are being killed, maimed and damaged psychologically. Its just the cost of war and protect our national security they say. [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 amIn a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 am-George Orwell
AWWWW Democrates no longer being the push over pussies that Republicans like to draw them as.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 amWhy don't you be quiet Mr. Kristol?
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:41 amWhat's that? You need some help?
Well how about my dick in your mouth!
Khomeni's Iran was behind attacks on Americans in Lebanon and he was trying to take over the gulf and the mideast,
Khomeni was a mass killer too.
The US supported Stalin against Hitler too.
PAUL IN LA is an apologist for the Ayatollah Khomeni.
By the way if Khomeni gave up his war then there would have been no problem.
By the way can anyone show that the US sold Saddam Chemical weapons. Not stuff used to make chemical weapons but Chemical weapons?
Of course you can't.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:52 amPaul the US Khomeni apologist said:
It was not illegal it was used to light up the area.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:55 amThe Truth About Khomeni here:
Khomeini fatwa 'led to killing of 30,000 in Iran'
By Christina Lamb, Diplomatic Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:55pm BST 19/06/2001
CHILDREN as young as 13 were hanged from cranes, six at a time, in a barbaric two-month purge of Iran's prisons on the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini, according to a new book by his former deputy.
More than 30,000 political prisoners were executed in the 1988 massacre - a far larger number than previously suspected. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran reveal that, because of the large numbers of necks to be broken, prisoners were loaded onto forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hourly intervals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/02/04/wiran04.xml
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 amThe Truth About Saddam
Saddam may have killed 61,000 Baghdad residents
Oakland Tribune, Dec 9, 2003 by Niko Price, Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed, according to a survey obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shiite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality extended strongly into the capital as well.
The survey, which the polling firm planned to release on Tuesday, asked 1,178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam's regime. According to Gallup, 6.6 percent said yes.
The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad's population -- 6.39 million -- and average household size -- 6.9 people -- to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam's rule. Past estimates were in the low tens of thousands. Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.
The U.S.-led occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq. Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20031209/ai_n14562707
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 amBathists ,Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters are all fascist bigots enablers of terror and war criminals .
The reason for terror is that Mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence.
The US is not the problem . The problem the problem is that Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters won't give up their war.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:04 amRemember there would have been no war if the Bathists , Khomeni supporters and Al Qaeda lovers gave up their war. Let them give up their war.
If they don't want to give up their war then almost any thing the US does to force them to is ok.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 amBill (the Grouper) Kristol.
"Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it."
Rodney Dangerfield
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:19 am"It’s as if mistakes haven’t been made repeatedly, as if people don’t feel like they’ve been misled down this path, that there’s been tremendous support for this president and war effort and it’s come to naught."
BUSH-SPEAK, a much-abridged DICTIONARY
by Vince Williams
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S DICTIONARY is, by anyone's measure, a lexicon that adds a myriad of new definitions to our language. Over the past six years, our inference of the world of word-meanings has undergone a metamorphosis due quite literally to George W. Bush and his confederates. Naturally, in such a wholesale re-working of the language, we cannot expect to present a comprehensive list of words in the limited space below. However, we do suggest that when the George W. Bush library is constructed, there might be included volumes which assist us all in a better apprehension of this time in our nation's history. Note: "Apprehension" CAN mean, you know, just understanding, and need not always connote a suspicion or fear of future evil or a foreboding and consternation, dread, horror, panic, trepidation and/or an anxiety. Though the selection of the word here is not an accident.
Anyway, we DO NOT expect George Bush to add to HIS afore-mentioned library any AUTO-biograpical material written SOLELY by himself. Although, we DO expect an "AUTO-biography" to be there, which provides us with our first definition among others we've included below.
AUTO-biography, n. a book written about my life, can be mostly by a ghost writer (which gets me off the hook), that reports stuff "authorized" by me after someone tells me what's in it. I don't care so much if it's mostly fiction as long as it sounds good and is presented as fact. Also, it can include many of the terms below.
AUGMENTATION, n. assisting others in their efforts.
CRACKED EGG, n. what the Iraq war has become. An egg that is capable of being UNcracked. Newly coined term: "the Iraq crack attack".
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". phrase calculated to supply political points showing how SOLDIER I really am and how I've already won a war. A photo-op that can show "US" in a combat flight suit aboard an aircraft carrier.
WMD, n. what a hostile country has when we want to go to war with them. If there are other benefits such as access to oil, and multi-billion dollar profiteering opportunities for corporations such as Halliburton, hey, we won't turn 'em down.
OIL, n. that which will pay for our waging the war in Iraq. (never mind that the price tag is now 1.2 TRILLION dollars and counting.) Ok, maybe it was one of our few mistakes.
CHEMICAL WEAPONS, n. in addition to "NUKE-YOU-LER" weapons, just the mention of these is always useful in striking even more fear in the entire country, AND galvenizing our base.
BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS, n. no-one likes to be sick.
SUCCESS, n. What we're fighting for; and please don't mention the over 3000 soldiers killed, over 20,000 wounded; and more than 34,000 Iraqis killed just last year, with a total Iraqi death toll of more than 600,000 men, women and children. Oops!
VICTORY, n. undefined; "We'll know it when we see it."
ECONOMIC BOOM, n. record territory for the stock market. Tax breaks for the wealthiest 2% of people in the land, and biggest corporations.
WINNING, transitive v. sponsoring an election in which 12 million Iraqi citizens (out of a national population of around 26 million) voted for putting in government that's on "borrowed time" led by a president who is on "borrowed time". After all, this is a DEMOCRACY since The United Iraqi Alliance, endorsed by Iraq's top Shiite clerics, captured more than two-thirds of the 3.3 million votes. This Alliance win sealed the Shiite majority's bid to claim power after centuries of domination by Sunni Arabs, including years of oppression by Saddam Hussein's Sunni-led regime. How do YOU spell "relief"? If this isn't DEMOCRACY, it doesn't exist.
GOD. n. the GUY who lives UP in heaven above the clouds, and who listens to me when I ask for things. Other words, opposite to "Devil".
EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS, n. pl. teensy tinesy people.
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, a phrase representing a program wherein teachers can be paid more for teaching ALL students to pass the SAME test.
DEMOCRACY, n. system of government wherein our administration wields sufficient power to have our own way almost all of the time. System of voting in which, when there's a close election, a SUPREME COURT can decide the outcome (provided ONLY that the outcome can be favorable to those who are defining the term "DEMOCRACY".).
NEW WAY FORWARD, a phrase used to mystify as many people as possible, and to justify STAYING THE COURSE, I mean "The New Way Forward".
SACRIFICE, v. dying in Viet Nam, I mean IRAQ; and being stressed by watching news on television about the war.
SKEPTICISM, n. a word that sounds better than "OPPOSITION". "Thumpin'" can also be used here.
PESSIMISM, n. another word to use when others imply abject and/or total failures of our administration. Sounds better than "OPPOSITION".
AL QAEDA, n. the world-wide organization (made up of who knows how many criminals) that has the power to bring about Armageddon. The MAJOR cause of problems in Iraq (both now and prior to the war). The vast gang that perpetrated 9/11 and aims to do it again.
ADDITIONAL TROOPS, n. pl. A few more soldiers and marines to effect the "NEW WAY FORWARD" change in the prosecution of the war. Something to help John McCain have a better chance in his bid for the presidency.
INSURGENCY, n. a problem in Iraq; but it isn't "CIVIL WAR".
CIVIL WAR, n. all hell breaking loose with everybody fighting everybody else; not a reason to re-deploy, however.
PLAN B, n. something we don't have. Something we refuse to talk about. Something we didn't think we needed in invading Iraq in the first place.
REASONS TO GO TO WAR, a phrase to mean "If we can scare everyone into believing we will have another 9/11 if we DON'T do so", we can invade and wage war on anyone we want to.
OPTIMISTIC, adj. something to be sure to answer when asked, "How do you view the prospects for the outcome of our efforts in Iraq?"
VIOLENCE IN IRAQ, n. that which essentially began with the SAMARRA incident back in early 2005, "I mean 2006".
LIFE, n. something sacred as long as it isn't possessed by a criminal, an Iraqi, an al Qaeda member, a Taliban member, anyone deemed an enemy by the Administration, a detainee, someone with Parkinson's, Alzheimers, or spinal cord injury, or the Casey Sheehans in the war.
DETAINEES, n. pl. DIRT with no rights whatsoever.
DEMOCRATS, n. pl. "DIRT, but gave us a thumpin".
TORTURE, n. something to deny we're doing. Something that we don't want to get caught doing.
EXECUTION, n. a hanging that can decapitate the hangee.
TRUTH, n. whatever "WE" want it to be. Just a word. Something TO BE SURE TO CALL whatever we say.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:59 amWilliams should have asked Kristol a simple question: "Do you remember Osama? Where is he by the way (5 years later)?"
Maybe that would jog his memory about the reason this whole thing started, and how it is no longer even a topic of discussion...
Love to see Kristol tour the front lines in a Humvee on a convoy...
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 amGO READ SOME MLK SPEECHES ABOUT THE VIETNAM WAR AND YOU WILL GET A CLUE.........
EVIL AND VIOLENCE WILL CONTINUE IF GOOD MEN AND WOMEN SIT BY AND DO NOTHING........
IF DEMS DON'T STAND UP THEN THEY ARE JUST AS DUMB AND BRAINWASHED AS THE RIGHT AND THEIR TERRORIST NEO-CONS.
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 amOut of 236 posts, there were less than a dozen mentions of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). It is quite unbelievable that after all these years, people still don't get the connection between PNAC and the Iraq War.
It never ceases to amaze me that when mentioning Bill Kristol, no one ever mentions the PNAC - the "think tank" group of neocons who conjured up this war back in the mid-90's. PNAC is now the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). Same players, different name. Even Kristol's father is a member. These are all the voices that continue to be the voice of our imbecilic president.
This is from Source Watch:
The following are Project for the New American Century (PNAC) personnel who are either members of or close to the Bush administration:
* Elliot Abrams is a senior member of the National Security Council, who pled guilty to the charge of lying to Congress in the Iran/Contra scandal. He is an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Kenneth Adelman is a member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. He is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed one of its position papers sent as a letter to president George W. Bush in 2002.
* Richard V. Allen is a member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board and the National Security Advisory Group.
* John R. Bolton, currently Bush's nominee as ambassador to the United Nations, served as Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs. He is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed at least five PNAC position papers sent as letters to presidents and members of congress advocating military aggression abroad.
* Stephen Cambone is Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
* Dick Cheney is Vice President and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Seth Cropsey is Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau.
* Devon Gaffney Cross is a member of the Defense Policy Board and Donors Forum on International Affairs.
* Paula Dobriansky is Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs.
* Aaron Friedberg is the Vice President's Deputy National Security Advisor and the Vice President's Director of Policy Planning.
* Francis Fukuyama is a member of the Cloning Panel, President's Council on Bioethics.
* Daniel Goure is a member of the 2001 DoD Transition Team.
* Fred C. Ikle is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Zalmay Khalilzad was appointed in December 2002 as the president's "special envoy and ambassador at large for free Iraqis." According to the White House announcement, Khalilzad would "serve as the focal point for contacts and coordination among free Iraqis for the U.S. government and for preparations for a post-Saddam Iraq." Khalilzad's qualifications include not only advocating Saddam's ouster since the 1980s, but also his proven prowess in orchestrating the installation of the Hamid Karzai regime in Afghanistan after being appointed special U.S. envoy to Afghanistan in December 2001. He is an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Jeane J. Kirkpatrick is the U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
* John F. Lehman is a member of the National Commission to Investigate Attacks on the U.S. (9-11 Commission).
* I. Lewis Scooter Libby is Chief of Staff and the Vice President's Assistant for National Security Affairs to Dick Cheney and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Richard N. Perle became chairman of the 30-member Defense Policy Board in July 2001, which meets regularly with Rumsfeld. The board's meetings are classified and members are allowed access to top-secret intelligence reports. He resigned in early 2003 upon allegations that he was essentially profiting from insider trading with classified defense intelligence. Perle is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed at least eight PNAC position papers sent as letters to presidents and members of congress advocating military aggression abroad.
* J. Danforth Quayle is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Peter W. Rodman is Asst. Defense Secretary for International Security Affairs.
* Henry S. Rowen is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Donald Rumsfeld is US Secretary of Defense and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles in 1997.
* William Schneider, Jr. is Chairman of the Defense Science Board.
* Abram Shulsky is Director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans.
* Chris Williams is a member of the Defense Policy Board and Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, as well as Special Assistant to Rumsfeld on Policy, 2001.
* Paul Dundes Wolfowitz is Deputy Secretary of Defense and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* R. James Woolsey, Jr. served as director of Central Intelligence for the CIA from 1993-95, and was ambassador to the negotiation on conventional armed forces in Europe from 1989-91. Woolsey went to Geneva as delegate at large to the U.S.-Soviet Strategic Arms Reduction Talks and Nuclear and Space Arms Talks from 1983-86. He was also Under Secretary of the Navy and advised the U.S. delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks. Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. The company was set up three months after the terrorist attacks on New York and sees the events and aftermath of September 11, 2001 as a business opportunity which 'offer[s] substantial promise for homeland security investment'. He is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed at least seven of its position papers sent as letters to presidents and members of congress advocating military aggression abroad. According to RightWeb, Woolsey is a member of the Defense Policy Board, the Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, and a special envoy of Rumsfeld to investigate the Czech-al Qaeda connection (?).[1]
* Dov S. Zakheim is DoD Comptroller.
* Robert Bruce Zoellick was appointed United States Trade Representative.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 amI wish we could organize a neocon squadron to join the "surge" troops. Guys like Kristol are good at volunteering others' kids blood. He should get a chance to shed his own!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 am[...] How low can he go? And why can’t people be quiet? [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 amWho is Bill Kristol to talk about the war, fighting, or in general about anything as hes nothing more than a useless wimp draft dodger. Hes not a man as hes never been in any kind of service in his miserable lifetime. Hes all out for sending our brave men and women over to Iraq to get killed, but heaven forbid he went there himself. I think they should send the whole Bush administration to the front lines and let them stay there until the next president gets elected, then lets hear them squirm and whine. This whole scene is getting to be a real joke. Our so called president is a demented asshole, hes so out of it and not one person is calling for his removal on either side, what a terrible shamw!!!!!!!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 amYou see, now this is why Republicans should never be put in charge of anything, ever.
They define responsibility, as not doing anything about a bad idea, until it is way to late.
The rest of us would call this irresponsible, because, hey, we are actually you know, sane but not Republicans, because in Republican English, up is down.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amShorter Bill Kristol: "While I may have been consistently and insistently wrong about every-F**KING-thing when it comes to this war, the people who were right to oppose it from the get-go should really just be quiet"
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 amDid anybody notice how the moderator (was that Brit Hume?) kept trying to silence Juan?
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 amKristol's obdurate and simplistic "intellectualism" is the exact same idiocy that drools from Bush's mouth. The only difference is that Kristol can pronounce three syllable words. Listening to Kristol is the full-moon to my werewolf, it's nasty.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmBill Kristol is such a jerk...such a typical Republican. He thinks the President's critics should stay quiet for six months. Is their a laughter machine in the room?
I guess it's a toss-up between who shows more ignorance and arrogance...Bill Kristol or Rupert Murdock. They would be funny if they weren't so dangerous.
Kristol, Murdoch and all the other neocons will never admit they did anything wrong. Like the losers who got us into VietNam, they'll always say the "war protesters" are the ones who lost the war.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pm[...] Think Progress posted part of his remarks: KRISTOL: They’re playing — they’re leap-frogging each other in the degrees of irresponsibility they’re willing to advocate. And I really think people are being too sort of complacent and forgiving almost of the Democrats. ‘Oh, it’s politics, of course. One of them has a non-binding resolution. The other has a cap.’ It’s all totally irresponsible. It’s just unbelievable. The president is sending over a new commander, he’s sending over troops, and the Democratic Congress, in a pseudo-binding way or non-binding way, is saying, ‘It won’t work. Forget it. You troops, you’re going over there in a pointless mission. Iraqis who might side with us, forget it, we’re going to pull the plug.’ It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months and say the president has made a decision, we’re not going to change that decision, we’re not going to cut off funds and insist on the troops coming back, so let’s give it a chance to work. You really wonder, do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that. I hate to say this about the Democrats. They’re people I know personally and I respect some of them. Do they want it to succeed or not? [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 pmBush said the escalaltion will work. Why is he so sure that it will? Because the goal of the escalaltion is to make us focus on Iraq, and stop paying attention to the build-up in the Persian Gulf. There was a story over the weekend about Iran conductin missile war games with 2 carrier attack groups in the Gulf. What are the chances an "errant missile" will hit one of our boats and we will be "forced" to retailiate?
False flag attack coming soon, folks. Better stop paying attention to the left hand and watch what the right hand is doing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 pmVictoria Garden-Eden: I am well aware of PNAC and AEI. Also of the Israeli lobby. The fact that there were only 12 (by your count and I'll take your word for it) postings re: PNAC didn't alarm me at all...I just assumed that we are all aware of it and the neo-cons' total control of the Iraq Fiasco. But thanks for the reminder. ;)
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 pmThis just posted: John Warner (R. VA) is making a press statement this afternoon where he plans to announce his opposition to Bush's Surge Strategy. CNN says he will also be joined by a few more republicans and a conservative democrat.
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmi'm just glad you cut off hume before we had to hear his slop
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:24 pm[...] Number of months until Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol believes it would no longer be “irresponsible” for war critics to scrutinize the president’s Iraq escalation plan: 9 Nancy Pelosi’s national approval: 54% [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:00 pmSET AN EXAMPLE AND SHUT UP FOR EVEN 1 MONTH!
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:32 pmAll the Project For the New American Century says is that the US ought to do what ever it can to make sure that the US is in the best position possible and ought not to unilaterally disarm or put its faith in international organizations that would like the US to be cut down to size.
Good for them.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:06 pmBathists , Khomeni supporters and Bin Laden followers have been after the US for a long time.
Let them give up their war. They are the problem - not the US.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:08 pmEvery Free Human needs to view this site to wake up to reality.....
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:20 pm
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Articles/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english.swf
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:22 pmKristol, you are a despicable liar, war criminal and profiteer and your treachery has helped cause the deaths of 100,000 plus Iraqi civilians as well as 3000 U.S troops and 100 plus coalition troops. How dare you accuse war critics of irresponsibibity when the greatest act of irresponsibility was committed by W. Bush and all you war mongers as you all duped the U.S. public, media and Congress into supporting without question the abominable invasion of Iraq on fabricated evidence back in 2003. Now your ilk wants to invade Iran, and after that Syria or Venezuela. after all, all these nations the U.S. invades have valuable oil or other minerals that are craved by U.S. companies, or that U.S. companies want to control the flow of oil from these countries in order to control and manopolize the market. this is modern day piracy and colonialism.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pmA jewish boy was on trial for murdering his parents, he begged the judge for leniency because he was an orphan.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmhttp://www.nowarforisrael.com
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmSaddam Hussein killed 300,000 in Iraq alone. He would have killed even more if he got free. And lets remember his sons were coming up next.
A free Saddam Hussein probably would have killed off the Kurds for good.
The US could not contain Saddam forever.
FACT:
Anyone who says they oppose the war on humanitarian grounds is either stupid or disingenuous.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmIran would have no problem with the US if they just gave up their war.
Iran ought to give up their war.
Sad to say there are a lot of people who think that Iran's attacks against the US are okay.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmThe Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers ought to give up their war.
To bad a lot of creeps on this site want the US to give in to them.
appeasement doesn't work
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmJudge: Iran owes $254M in terror attack
On June 25, 1996, a truck bomb exploded in a military housing area known as the Khobar Towers dormitory near Dhahran. U.S. authorities have long alleged that the bombing was carried out by a Saudi wing of the militant group Hezbollah, which receives support from Iran and Syria.
Though Lamberth has previously ruled that a survivor of the blast could seek payment from Iran, Friday's ruling was the first time Tehran has been blamed for the deaths of the Americans in the bombing.
"The defendants also provided money, training and travel documents to Saudi Hezbollah members in order to facilitate the attacks," Lamberth wrote. "Moreover, the sheer gravity and nature of the attack demonstrate the defendants' unlawful intent to inflict severe emotional distress upon the American servicemen as well as their close relatives
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061222/ap_on_go_ot/terrorist_bombing_lawsuit_6
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmKristol and Bush must know more then all the Generals and military stategist who have said the complete opposite and are against the war.They would know before some 'ralph mouth' war mongers would.Probably why Bush put an admiral in control now.Or the future Iran naval assault campaign.Kristol has never been correct has no credibility and can best be characterized as a cheerleader and name caller.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:29 amto the so called... the guilties
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmyou know who you are. surface dwellers.
cant you see the conflict is already lost like your empire
freedom equals slavery.wake up prepare your killuminati
king george bush(ha ha pussy) is a stooge for the global elitist usurpers
the inalienable rights of being are bestowed upon you by cosmic creation
not your z.o.g. fool rise up
word up to natasha post #253
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmFor every death of an American Soldier, or death of an Iraqi, in this next phased period of massacre, if you could just take your microphone shove it up your ass, then we'll be quiet and watch as you take it up the ass 25, 000 times.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmDemocrats and Liberals have been there already. We were "quiet" for three years, just to give them rope to hang themselves.
Well, its time for the hanging. This is like a guilty death-row inmate using endless picky legalities to put off his day of reaconing.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:05 pm