Kristol On War Critics: ‘It’s So Irresponsible That They Can’t Be Quiet For Six Or Nine Months’
Kristol On War Critics: ‘It’s So Irresponsible That They Can’t Be Quiet For Six Or Nine Months’
This morning on Fox News, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol said that opponents of escalation in Congress are “leap-frogging each other in the degrees of irresponsibility they’re willing to advocate.” Kristol said, “It’s just unbelievable. … It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months,” adding, “You really wonder, do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that.”
NPR’s Juan Williams told Kristol his analysis was “totally ahistorical,” and pointed out that yesterday was the deadliest day for U.S forces in Iraq in two years. “There’s something going on here you might pay attention to as opposed to just the politics of, ‘If you don’t support this president, you don’t really want us to win.’”
Watch it:
Full transcript:
KRISTOL: They’re playing — they’re leap-frogging each other in the degrees of irresponsibility they’re willing to advocate. And I really think people are being too sort of complacent and forgiving almost of the Democrats. ‘Oh, it’s politics, of course. One of them has a non-binding resolution. The other has a cap.’ It’s all totally irresponsible. It’s just unbelievable. The president is sending over a new commander, he’s sending over troops, and the Democratic Congress, in a pseudo-binding way or non-binding way, is saying, ‘It won’t work. Forget it. You troops, you’re going over there in a pointless mission. Iraqis who might side with us, forget it, we’re going to pull the plug.’ It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months and say the president has made a decision, we’re not going to change that decision, we’re not going to cut off funds and insist on the troops coming back, so let’s give it a chance to work. You really wonder, do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that. I hate to say this about the Democrats. They’re people I know personally and I respect some of them. Do they want it to succeed or not?
WILLIAMS: I think everybody wants it to succeed who believes in the idea that we are over there and our people are at stake. I don’t think there’s any question. I think that’s sort of a rhetorical tool on your part. But your analysis seems to be totally ahistorical. It’s as if mistakes haven’t been made repeatedly, as if people don’t feel like they’ve been misled down this path, that there’s been tremendous support for this president and war effort and it’s come to naught. It’s come to a bad place. Yesterday was the deadliest, I think, in two years. Nineteen Americans killed. There’s something going on here you might pay attention to as opposed to just the politics of, if you don’t support this president, you don’t really want us to win.
KRISTOL: What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing. Zero. Except, except no reinforcements. You guys are on your own. That’s what they’re saying.
WILLIAMS: If you think — do you think reinforcements will make some radical change? No. I think what people are saying is, it’s time to redeploy, look at new strategies, look at political compromise. That’s what’s not being done by this administration.
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F*CK YOU, WE’LL NEVER BE QUIET AS LONG AS YOU’RE SCREWING OVER MY COUNTRY, A**HOLE.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:39 amSo typical of the insecure elite who need to think they are better than the masses… Demand we obediently and silently allow them to kill us for tehir own selfish means.
We’ve really gotta find some non-sociopathic folks for the MSM… This nonsense was old - oh, six or nine months ago…
January 21st, 2007 at 10:42 amDO SOMETHING:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
January 21st, 2007 at 10:46 amLittle Billy Kristol is merely a legend in his own mind — the Eddy Haskell of FoxSnooze. What a pathetic little character he is.
He will morph again as GDumbya’s “plan” flops. He is intellectually and morally bankrupt. That’s why he’s always on FoxSnooze all the time.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:47 amSieg Heil! You Fascist.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amWhat is irresponsible… KRISTOL… is that Bush decides that the commanders who ARE over there don’t know what they’re talking about… but thinks the commanders who are here, DO know what they are talking about.
It’s clear to everyone that the only commanders that Bush is willing to listen to are the commanders that tell Bush what he wants to hear.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amso what kristol is saying is :“if i could operate in a vacuum, everything would work!”
why do vacuums hate america?
January 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amhe appears to have a few months more tolerance for death? or is it trying to wring a few more bucks out of KBR stock? Lockheed?
let’s face it. No news program really is unless the screen shows what the person talking owns by way of stock and such, that way we can determine if they are profiting by their statements and position
remember when they did this for a few months? It must have been wildly popular. I think it was CNBC or MSNBC that did this back, when in 2000?
you can tell a coward, they love war, but have nothing to do with it. I think the man fits in one of these categories, making it meaningless.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amThis man should be taken to the Congress and asked under oath about his PNAC/NeoCons/AIPAC connection and how this war with Iraq was cooked…so people know what his part and others close to him and what he is now selling on Fox network and for whom.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:54 amIrresponsible is everything that Kristol predicts, imagines, hopes for, etc. He is irrresponsible personified. And he sure hasn’t apologized for being WRONG about everything and one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in is BECAUSE OF HIM AND HIS WAR CHEERLEADING. WRONG WRONG WRONG, and they still let him talk on the teevee? oh brother…….
January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 amKristol, the armchair general who hid behind a draft deferment and chickened out of wearing his country’s uniform is telling us who did serve are irresponsible? Piss off! Kristol can kiss my ass in the county square.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:58 amWell, we tried that tactic for four years and look where that enabling got us- Over 3040 empty places at dinner tables all over America.
Luckily, Frank Rich won’t. Frank shows how, the more things change (and the more troops that get killed), the more they stay the same.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:00 amKristol and his like are the fascist elitists. Remember Mussolini. He was a journalist by trade too. “…all is for the state, nothing is outside the state, nothing and no one are against the state.” (Mussolini, October 28,1925)
January 21st, 2007 at 11:00 amIf anyone needs to be quiet, it would be Bill Kristol. Why does Bill Kristol want Americans to die for a lie?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:01 amFascists always want people to just shut up and let them do what they want to do.
How this always-wrong asshole hasn’t been driven into exile in the swamplands of Florida is beyond me.
-GSD
January 21st, 2007 at 11:02 am“Do they want it to work or not?” The critics of the latest stay-the-course policy have looked at the plan and declared it unworkable. It is not necessary to “give it a chance”…it is more of the same, which has been disastrous.
Few thinking Americans believe Bush will get it right this time. Too many deceits, mistakes, and failures litter Bush’s past dealings with almost everything associated with the phoney-baloney war on terror.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amAnd why would anyone follow Bush who has been dead-wrong from day one. Who lied and mislead us with false threats into an elective war. Who’s child, wife or husband should die for the proven to be incompetent Decider.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amIf you are not a right winger or really care about America, I suggest you may want to think about subscribing to Times Select - the editorial page of the New York Times. Rich, Kristoff, Dowd, the Editorial Page writers, and even Friedman are finally firing on all cylinders again to expose the incompetence at the highest levels of our government.
This development is long overdue after a very dark period in which Judith Miller trumpeted Bush’s frantic, unsupported claims that Iraq had WMD, and columnists like Tom Friedman justified the invasion of Iraq with idiotic explanations like “America just had to hit someone.”
http://www.nytimes.com/opinion/
“Lying Like It’s 2003″
By FRANK RICH
Published: January 21, 2007
THOSE who forget history may be doomed to repeat it, but who could imagine we’d already be in danger of replaying that rotten year 2003?
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NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Hang Up! Tehran Is Calling
TimesSelect Hang Up! Tehran Is Calling
Instead of disengaging from war, President Bush could end up starting another.
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Editorial Page
Retreat and Cheat
President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program was once deemed so vital to national security that it could not be subjected to judicial review. Last week, the White House said it was doing just that.
In 2005, the White House would not even comment on news reports about the C.I.A.’s prisons because Americans’ safety depended on their being kept secret. In 2006, Mr. Bush held a photo-op to announce that he was keeping them open.
The administration has repeatedly insisted that it was essential to the American way of life for Mr. Bush to be able to imprison foreigners without trial or legal counsel. Now the administration claims it was trying to bring those detainees to trial all along but was stymied by white-shoe lawyers.
By now, this is a familiar pattern: First, Mr. Bush and his aides say his actions are so vital to national security that to even report on them — let alone question them — lends comfort to the terrorists. Then, usually when his decisions face scrutiny from someone other than a compliant Republican Congress, the president seems to compromise.
Behind this behavior are at least two dynamics, both of them disturbing.
The first is that the policies Mr. Bush is trying so hard to hide have little, if anything, to do with real national security issues — and everything to do with a campaign, spearheaded by Vice President Dick Cheney, to break the restraints on presidential power imposed after Vietnam and Watergate. And there is much less than meets the eye to Mr. Bush’s supposed concessions.
Generally, they mask the fact that he either got what he wanted from Congress or found a way to add some other veneer of legitimacy to his lawless behavior. The campaign to expand presidential power goes on, at the expense of American values.
Mr. Bush’s aides don’t try very hard to hide it. The day the shift on domestic wiretapping was announced, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales gave a speech in which he sneered at the idea of allowing judges to review national security policies. The next day, he was in the Senate refusing to turn over the agreement that he said would provide judicial review for the wiretapping. And his lawyers were in court arguing that a lawsuit over the warrantless eavesdropping should be dropped because Mr. Bush said he would stop the operation.
We don’t know exactly what agreement the White House made with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court about eavesdropping. But there is evidence that Mr. Bush got some broad approval for a wiretapping “program†rather than the individual warrants required by law. Because the court works in secret, the public may never know whether Mr. Bush really is complying with the law.
Nor is there likely to be an explanation of why the White House could not have sought the court’s approval in the first place. The White House’s claim that the process is too cumbersome doesn’t ring true.
[snip]
For that matter, why did the White House initially refuse to work with senior Republican lawmakers to create a legal court system for the Guantánamo detainees? Instead, Mr. Bush ordered the creation of kangaroo courts, expanding presidential authority at the expense of Congress and the judiciary, and at the expense of justice.
The Republican-led Congress (with the help of cowed Democrats) refused to hold Mr. Bush and his presidency to account on any of these issues. The Military Commissions Act, passed by Congress just before the midterm elections last year, gave Mr. Bush a pass on what he had already done with the detainees outside the law, and did not stop him from jailing non-Americans indefinitely without due process. Congress absolved American intelligence agents of past abuses of prisoners and approved future abuses, and Mr. Bush happily announced that the C.I.A. prisons would stay open.
[snip]
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 amThere he goes again: “the president has made a decision, we’re not going to change that decision.”
So he doesn’t support american democracy, and the power of our elected officials in congress? He doesn’t support the voice of the people either, when they spoke in the last election for change in Iraq? He just supports the executive branch,…one guy…one king,..who makes a “decision?”
I don’t want to be too alarmist here, but isn’t that treason? Isn’t going against your oath to defend the constitution, which includes powers of congress and the judiciary, an act of treason?
Kristol saying that people should “be quiet” is also suppression of the workings of the democracy and basically flauting the democracy itself.
Someone should remind Kristol, on the air of this:
1. Bush lost his “mandate.”
2. Bush lost the support of his generals.
Those two things are what he claimed authorized him to prosecute this war. And since he lost that, as well as the support of the congress (who declares war and funds war), then under what premise is he escalating the war?
Why doesn’t anyone ask Kristol this on the air?
I laugh when I hear him say congress should be quiet for 6 months. So that was the idea of the surge? To shut up congress and get them off his back a while until he can think of something else to do? Do they really believe that?
And it makes me sick when I here them saying oh the dems have no plan. We have all kinds of plans! And the Iraq Study Group presented a plan! He’s rejected all of them. What is unbelievable is the fact that he can reject them then pretend no one ever presented an alternative plan! Why doesn’t anyone bust them with this on the air? Their arguments are so thin and weak that I could put a hole in them if you put me on the air. Why won’t they touch it?
January 21st, 2007 at 11:05 amTom Friedman is trying to blame the whole Iraq war on the anti-war people. He’s a weasel and should be ignored.
He is a power ennabling closet neo-con who masks his war mongering under the veil of pithy cooments like this:
“The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.”
– Friedman, The Lexus and the Olive Tree
-GSD
January 21st, 2007 at 11:14 amTo quote Paul Krugman, words fail me.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:31 amWhat? You mean that Juan FOX NEWS Williams pulled his goddamn spine out of the closet and strapped it on for a change?!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:32 amAhoran,
In case you don’t know, shalom means peace. So the next time you think of writing or speaking that word, don’t. Just shut your little piehole until you have something to say that isn’t utterly abhorrent.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:41 am“The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the cost of prosecuting a war against Iraq at up to $9 billion per month.”
Congress should just keep its mouth shut and keep appropriating money so me and my War Profiteer buddies can rake in another $100 billion in no-bid, cost+ contracts. And there’s that sweetheart of an oil deal in the works we gotta protect. Did you know it’s a 30-year contract! That means we’re giving a 30-year commitment to prop up an Iraqi government.
And the loss in American lives isn’t so bad. In fact it works out to over $90 million in War Profiteer Contracts for every soldier killed in action. In fact, this War is so profitable, it is boosting the entire American economy. Did you know that some of the War Profiteer CEO’s are doing such a bang-up job that they were given bonuses of over $100 million a year?
So, just keep your mouth shut, and keep the money rolling in.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:45 amAt least 24 Americans died in Iraq Sat. By BUSHRA JUHI, Associated Press Writer
January 21st, 2007 at 11:46 am32 minutes ago
“TEHRAN, Iran - Iran plans three days of military maneuvers, including short-range missile tests, beginning Sunday — its first since the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions against it in late December, state-run television said.”
January 21st, 2007 at 11:48 amI truly wish sites such as this would simply list the advertisers of these morons programs.
That way, I’d simply be able to send the advertisers a note saying that I will not buy their products any more if they continue to support this nonsense.
Getting upset at these folks just raises your blood pressure.
They’re fools. Try to get them off their outlets!
January 21st, 2007 at 11:51 amAnd the loss in American lives isn’t so bad. In fact it works out to over $90 million in War Profiteer Contracts for every soldier killed in action. In fact, this War is so profitable, it is boosting the entire American economy. Did you know that some of the War Profiteer CEO’s are doing such a bang-up job that they were given bonuses of over $100 million a year?
So, just keep your mouth shut, and keep the money rolling in.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
OK, BNF, I was leaving you alone, but when you took me to task over my comments about Saddam’s pistol, about how I was “joking” about troop deaths, how is the above passage any different in tone? Please explain, or apologize.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:51 amwould that he could be damned by his own words: “There’s been a certain amount of pop sociology in America … that the Shia can’t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There’s almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq’s always been very secular.” [link]
(i hate that self-righteous smirk of his–it reads as a pathological tic to hide his insecurity.)
January 21st, 2007 at 11:52 amIraq Totals
3052 US Soldiers Killed
253 coalition Soldiers Killed
727 Civillian Contractors Killed
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3932 Total killed ( The real Total)
22,834 American Soldier wounded BIG TIME
655,000 Iraqi Mostly Civilians killed
356,000 Iraqis Injured BIG TIME
0 WMD found
0 links to Al Queda
0 Threat to USA
0 Oil Contracts to America
1 Maniac Loose Canon President
85% of worlds population Hate Americans
This is losers Policy
January 21st, 2007 at 11:57 amThe administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:58 amThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That’s it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
The administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:58 amThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That’s it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
Okay, I have finally had it with this sort of thing.
No one wants the United States to lose? Well, I for one want the United States to lose.
When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose. When it kills 650,000 foreigners to avenge the deaths of 3000 of its own, I want it to lose.
I want torturers to lose. I want countries that imprison people without charges and without trials to lose. I want governments that feel free to threaten anyone in the world with attack to lose.
Don’t you?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:04 pmBill Kristol and his fellow PNAC-ers are War Criminals, and they all should be put on trial for their crimes.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pmI don’t wonder - I know the posters at ThinkProgress want America to lose in Iraq.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pm“When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose.”
So then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:08 pmSo then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Don’t try to compare WW2 to this fiasco.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Right you are. It was a parody of Kristol. I should have included [/sarcasm].
January 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pmSo then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
You need history lessons. We were not the aggressors in WWII, but you knew that didn’t you? Another strawman argument from another troll without anything intelligent to add to the conversation.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pmI googled the name Aharon Zohar, suspecting that the sick freak misappropriated it. Sure enough, the name belongs to a leading member of the Israeli Pugwash group. Pugwash is an organization dedicated to arms control and other ways to avoid armed conflict.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pm“When a country commits an armed aggression against another country one tenth its size, I want that country to lose.â€
So then you would have wanted Japan and Germany to win WWII, eh Carl?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
The dumbass redneck calling itself USA Patriot obviously has a basic reading comprehension problem. No surprise there.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:23 pmAnd by the way, USA Patriot, double-digit IQers like you are obviously incapable of understanding that there will be no winners in any sense of the term. But Bush-worshipping simpletons like you view everything as though it is a football game.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:25 pm“We were not the aggressors in WWII…”
So then of course you opposed President Clinton’s attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:26 pmI don’t know how Juan Williams keeps his “cool” when surrounded by William Kristol and the rest of the insane Faux News crew.
I would like to be in the studio the day he loses his “cool” and calls William Kristol a stupid moron retard idiot!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:27 pmSo then of course you opposed President Clinton’s attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
That was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pmAharon Zohar - if you were being sarcastic, and I suspect you were, sign off with [/sarc].
I failed to do that (above) and immediately got called on it.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:31 pmThat was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win.
Comment by Jules — January 21, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Arguing with kool-aid drinkers is hopeless. Nothing they say make sense. Zero critical thinking skills.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pmJules, my guess is that in order to be “USA Patriot” one must be totally ignorant of both History and World Affairs.
USA P - go tell Rove you need a new set of talking points. You’re working off of a 2003 script. Come back when you have new an original ways of demonstrating a complete lack of understanding.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pmre#45 USA Patriot
I opposed G W Bush, W Clinton, G H Bush, R Reagan, R Nixon, L Johnson, J Kennedy, H Truman all for using our military in actions against countries who did not attack us or were in the process of implementing an attack against us.
Every one of the should have been impeached and charged with treason for throwing away the lives of our soliders for anything other than the DEFENSE of the country that is the soliders ONLY purpose!
Soldiers are not foreign policy makers, communist fighters, regimen changers, nor oil snatchers, and any president who used them in that way committed a CRIME and should be punished for it!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:38 pmAharon Zohar - if you were being sarcastic, and I suspect you were, sign off with [/sarc].
I failed to do that (above) and immediately got called on it.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
BnF, I liked your sarcasm and I thought it was clearly sarcasm, but then I already know a lot about how you think from previous posts. I do not believe that Zohar’s post is sarcastic, however. Note that the identical post was made in the top thread. This kind of repetition is pure troll behavior. Also, note the misappropriation of the name of an Israeli advocate of arms control and peaceful conflict resolution. We are dealing with a flaming a**hole here.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pmComment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 21, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I know I should not even make an attempt at an intelligent debate with these trolls as they have no intellectual capacity, but I hate to see them not called on their idiocy.
I know, I need more coffee….it may not make reading troll crap more palatable, but it tastes good and makes me happy!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pmYou go criticalthinker!! Thank-you.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:42 pmSoldiers are not foreign policy makers, communist fighters, regimen changers, nor oil snatchers, and any president who used them in that way committed a CRIME and should be punished for it!
Comment by criticalthinker — January 21, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
EXCELLENT post. I agree. The American Empire is out of control. And as an American, I want us to do to others as we’d like them to do to us (live and let live).
January 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhy can’t Kristol Meth Mouth be quiet for six or nine months?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pmSo then of course you opposed President Clinton’s attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, which posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Those were NATO led strikes to stop ethnic cleansing in the region.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pmAgain with the six months? How many Friedman Units is this going to take? (It is the “Long War,” you know.)
But for the deadly consequences, I’d say this reminds me of commercial bumper from Rocky and Bullwinkle.
US: That trick never works.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:48 pmKRISTOL: This time for sure!
Jules,
No one loves to slap a troll around over a morning cup of java more than I do. In fact, I deliberately employ a technique of mocking them by talking about them in front of them, the way parents might talk about a small child that has just misbehaved.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:50 pmOn the Beltway Boys yesterday, Fred Barnes said the same thing as Bill Kristol did. He told the American public to shut up and give Bush’s “plan” a chance. Well, I say to both of them - why don’t YOU shut the f up ?
January 21st, 2007 at 12:53 pmDear Bill Kristol:
You first.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pmIf Kristol were willing to be quiet for about six to nine months, perhaps some of us might consider it — turnabout is fair play, after all — but Kristol can’t seem to keep his mouth shut for six to nine days, never mind months! That’s a neoconservative for you — complaining about the fact that his opponent won’t do something that he himself isn’t willing to do. Hypocrites, all of them…
Good smackdown from Williams…
January 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmHow does Juan refrain from hauling off and bitch-slapping Kristol?
For years, too many Dems let Bush have his way and we have all suffered under his lies and slanderous assertions against them. Now Bush has another cockamamie plan (which is much the same as numerous previous plans) and because the Dems are saying, we’re through, we’re not agreeing to this, the mealy-mouthed, smug and sanctimonious Kristol, who has been wrong 100% of the time, blames the Dems for not giving Bushie another chance for 6 to 9 months.
The man doesn’t have a brain - he is a low life who exists solely on reflexes.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmJules - “That was not your comment was it? Your comment was that a person at this site wanted Japan and Germany to win.”
Does this site only allow a single comment? Nice dodge.
Nat - Re Bosnia and Kosovo: “Those were NATO led strikes to stop ethnic cleansing in the region.”
Saddam engaged in ethnic cleansing as well. And what happened to the left-wing standard that all military actions must be OK-ed by the UN?
There’s lots of juvenile name-calling on this website, almost no substance.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:25 pm“How does Juan refrain from hauling off and bitch-slapping Kristol?”
Unlike you, Williams has some class.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmThere’s lots of juvenile name-calling on this website, almost no substance.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Kettle meet Pot
January 21st, 2007 at 1:33 pmHe knows we will not shut up. If his plans depend (even in part) on war critics shutting up, then they are not realistic, hence irresponsible.
The man is a fantasist. I mean, if everyone else dropped out of the race, I could be elected president. Nevermind that it’s a stupid idea (me being president) and that there is no chance my condition will be met.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow this always-wrong asshole hasn’t been driven into exile in the swamplands of Florida is beyond me.
Hey! What the hell makes you think we want him here?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmActually, USA Patriot, calling you a dumbass isn’t exactly name calling when you live up to the description again and again with your illogical, often contradictory comments, filled with straw men, false dichotomies, and misrepresentations of what others say.
Do you drool when you repeat the talking points?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmI’m not the one name-calling, Jules. Why do you keep dodging the substance?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhy do you keep dodging the substance?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Because there is none.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pmForm over substance seems to be the status quo here with these jerks.
Comment by Jules Nemesis — January 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Congrats Jules - you made the list!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmForm over substance seems to be the status quo here with these jerks.
Comment by Jules Nemesis — January 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Then leave.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmF*** you, Kristol– welcome to DEMOCRACY! Last I checked, we don’t have to line up like good little autoritarian brownshirts & parrot your sh!t. If I support the war, I can be vocal about it. If I oppose the war, I can be vocal about it. That’s what DEMOCRACY is all about.
Kristol is a traitorous barstard. And he’s got the gall to use the word ‘irresponsible.’
~ J
January 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhy do you keep dodging the substance?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Bingo, USA Patriot. There is no substance in your posts. The stuff about Japan and Germany is simultaneously ridiculous and offensive. It makes about as much sense as if I said “so, USA Patriot, you want to rape and murder all the women and children.”
January 21st, 2007 at 1:52 pmCongrats Jules - you made the list!
Comment by unbelievable — January 21, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Dang, I have a nemesis. I have truly made it in the TP world. I am both humbled and honored by this!
Actually, I might be honored if my nemesis had a brain!
January 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pmHume: Juan, Juan, Juan, please STFU. How can we be fair and balanced when you’re talking sense. Juan, Juan….just STFU, ok? This is my show, and of course prophet Kristol’s. All bough down to PNAC, even though they haven’t a live post on there for 3 years. Juan, Juan, America, STFU!!
Thank you,
January 21st, 2007 at 1:58 pmFaux News!
Kristol and his group of non-serving, warmongering NEOCON-scum, need to either sign up to get shot at, or STFU. None are veterans-
January 21st, 2007 at 2:06 pmThey are thruly “educated idiots”, only too eager to send others’ kids to die or get maimed in their failed follies as they pontificated and judge from Above.
Their half-life should have lapsed years ago, lets’ hope after this idiocy ends they will be banished to the dustbin of history where they belong.
Did you catch what Brit Hume was doing? He let’s Billy Boy go off uninterrupted but as soon as Juan was getting a little common sense and honesty into this conversation, Brit was trying to cut him off. “Juan … Juan … Juan”. I guess Brit was trying to remind Juan that Faux News is bought and paid for by this rightwing Administration.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:14 pmBill Kristol goes more insane everyday, he doesn’t want a desenting opinion? It is not irrisponcible to go after the mad men like Bill Kristol, what is sick and truely irrisponicble is how the intellegent voices, and the sane voices, like on that show, are trying to be suppressed. “Shut up for 9 months”? That’s crazy mad man dictator garbage. Bill Kristol is a very sick perverted man.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:22 pm“Saddam engaged in ethnic cleansing as well. And what happened to the left-wing standard that all military actions must be OK-ed by the UN?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2007 @ 1:25 pm”
He engaged in ethnic cleansing 15 to 20 years ago while the Reagan and first Bush administration supported him through most of it and provided him with the weapons to accomplish it.
If Saddam was engage in ethnic cleansing today as opposed to 15 to 20 years ago and Bush made this the basis of the war then maybe I and the whole world would have supported it.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:38 pmThis is the same genius who said that it was an urban myth that Sunnis & Shiites could not get along.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhat a short memory he has.
What lack of credibility he and ‘W’ possess.
The new plan is the same ’stay the course’ plan being marketed as a ‘new’ plan. Other plans have been offered an ignored.
If the results being touted as having an effect in 6 months does not become a realization, ALL the Generals & others who have given this advise should be FIRED. This cannot, and should not, be blamed on the Democrats and Republicans (Hagel) with some intelligence.
Someone should just kill this guy. Put on a suicide vest, give him a hug and blow the motherf*cking demon back down to the hell from whence he came.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:52 pmKristol is one of the original authors of the PNAC, one of the “founding” neo-cons and original hidden architect/promoter of the Iraq war. He has to spin this as the public’s failure to have faith, since he knows what a miscaluculation he and his fellow neo-fascists have made this time.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:53 pmEverything that comes out of this chickenhawk’s mouth is queef.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:54 pmwhy is kristol still on TV? why would anyone listen to, or respond to him? Kristol is a total, complete disgrace as a human being and as a person worth listening to. Him and ilk have been proven devastatingly wrong. They are the ones that need to be shut up.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:03 pm.
What part of “The American People want out of this WAR” doesn’t this guy understand. Let him take his children over there and run road convoys if he thinks it is SO important.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:08 pmWasn’t it you, Mr. Kristol, who early on laughed at the talk there was a potential problem between the Sunni ans Shia elements?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmI think Kristol’s comments reflect the exact thinking of the administration. Bush clearly thought that at least a few of the democrats would at the least shut up and go along with his ” plan ” . Now that that isn’t the case they do what they do best : Attack the democrats for being weak on security. It is old and tired. If you don’t support Bush you hate America. Same old story. The fact is that the only people who thinking this “plan” is going to work are precisly the same people who have the most to lose by being forced to admit that Iraq is not working if and when it fails : the President and his cronies.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmIt’s not that he doesn’t understand. He thinks the American People don’t understand. There’s BILLIONS of dollars at stake. Plus, the way he and others see it, our future security depends on appropriating the world’s resources for ourselves.
Think about the global consequences, if you will, of American instilling puppet governments in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Next up, Venezuela, followed by the mineral rich regions of Africa. There is a far greater game at play: Global Domination.
People’s lives don’t matter. All that matters is Power and Control.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:25 pmKristol is the water boy for PNAC. He is arrogant and treasonous. Until he puts on a combat uniform and goes to fight in Iraq, he should just be ignored as should the many other chickenhawks who push endless war.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:29 pmBill Kristol is a bigger twerp than KKKarl and Gonzo Boy.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:36 pmWhat an amazing country we live in that an idiot like that has a roof over his head. It shows how much we care for the truly disadvantaged.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pmAnd what will the consequences be for criminals of this nature after the war?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pm*
Will Kristol, Kagan, et al, fade to nothingness with PNAC’s imminent demise? or will programs like those of the totally predictable Fox network continue to try to prop up their nonexistent credibility?
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Will they in ANY way be held accountable for their war-mongering and their insatiable, maniacal need to wield power that spills the blood of others in rivers for them to greedily drink from?
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Dark and poisonous persons that care nothing for the good of mankind overall - rather - unmindful that it mean the destruction of the very planet they live on if it will further their personal, passionate, and misguided ideologies.
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Bill Kristol is such an asshole!
He has absolutely no shame.
-B
January 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe game is blame and the plan is simple. Who lost the war in Iraq? The democrat congress (remember to insult them by giving them an ugly name) and the “drive-by media” (Rush Limbaugh’s insulting name for anyone who disagrees with the Bush agenda.) These traitors undermined the President of the United States at the critical hour. These cowards are to blame for losing the war in Iraq. The are to blame for all the deaths in Iraw. are to blame for the dead and wounded soldiers.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:45 pmKristol means “It’s so upsetting that I can’t lie without fact checkers for 6 to 9 months”
I think a much better thing would be his public beating, live on TV. When he’s bleeding and screaming for his roles in mass murder , other conservatives will see the pain he’s in and it’s the only way they’ll learn.
A conservative only respects fear. They are incapable of anything else
January 21st, 2007 at 3:49 pmI wonder how many “chances” would Kristol be willing to give a President with a “D” after his name?
Hmmmm……..
January 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmKristol can either shut his yapper or be deported to Israel! Shame on him!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmBeyond belief. Someone telling us to shut up. Just beyond belief.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:12 pm“What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing.”
There IS NOTHING THAT ANYONE CAN DO to change “the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday.” Nothing.
What a MORON! Why are such people allowed to waste our precious oxygen, much less pollute our airwaves with their mindless prattling?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pm“What are Democrats doing that would change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday? Nothing.”
Ahem… there is nothing that ANYONE can do to “change the 19 Americans that were killed yesterday.” Nothing.
What a MORON! This man should be put on restricted access to oxygen, since he’s clearly wasting it.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmUh… I see this sort of thing updates a little slowly… pardon me for the repeat post.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pmBill Kristol is a judeo-nazi traitor. As all Aipac people are.
He is a coward who dodged the draft and now he wants more Americans to die for his real love, nazi Israel.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:29 pmBe quiet for 6 or 9 months?
Well, Mr. Kristol,
How about YOU, personally, get to
deliver the death notices to
every single family who
loses a soldier in Iraq in the
next 6 or 9 months.
How ’bout that??
January 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmThere are TV channels that are haunted by real ghosts. Fox by Kristol and Meet the Press by McCain.
As soon as you touch the remote they come floating in, week after week ,when it is not day after day.
They are there in an earthly presence, telling the poor blighted fools so dear to Cheney’s heart, provided he ever had one, what they see in their crystal balls.
They really ought to make it a threesome with Friedman.
The Greek got propheties from their Gods at Delphe, Epidaure and Dodonne, we get ours with a click of the TV.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:56 pmMir Kristol has shown, time and again, that he lives in some theoretical universe in which nobody gets hurt, nobody suffers, only pure throught exists. When, and if, he ever enlists and asks for front line duty to support the President, then and only then would I support the critics of the war keeping quiet. Otherwise, Kristol is just another aormy apologist for Bush & Co. He acts as if his s–t doesn’t stink, as if nothing bad or stupid or amateurish has happened before on this President’s watch, so, common, give the guy another chance, will ya?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:59 pmDear Mr. Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 5:09 pmWould you kindly disapear and not speak for the next 6 to 9 months?
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Raven
Mr. Kristol has no right to tell anyone to be quite, especially when he has been wron on Iraq so many times.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:10 pmKristol is a moron.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pmGive him a rifle, include him in the 21,000
man surge and let’s see how long it takes before he shits in his pants!
The PNAC ship just keeps sailing along with their idiotic “plans” for foreign affairs.
What a lame ass that Krystol is.
I remember when he called democrats “bugs bunny” democrats. Well does that make the republicans “Elmer Fudd” republicans?
All I know is Bugs always outsmarted and hoodwinked poor little Elmer with his shotgun.
Krystol’s analog on that one is totally messed up…or is it.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pmThese A-holes can twist it and turn it around all they want. The fact remains; this invasion/occupation has been going on four years already and there is no end in sight. The neo-cons would love to have people believe that they are unsuccessful because the liberals won’t stop complaining. That is a little like the villiage idiot blaming his inability to do his homework because he couldn’t figure out how to turn on the lights. These creeps that continually thump thier primate chests for attention should be carted off to Iraq so that they can help rebuild the Cradle of Civilization that we destroyed so completely. The insanity must end.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pmDear Mr. Bill,
Please go and fight. Or, please be quiet for the next six to nine months. Or, please run for elected office.
Just please do anything other than what you are doing now, you traitor.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhy is this news to anyone? Because the media hardly ever mentions that Kristol wasw one of the co-founders of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). It was Kristol and his gang in Washington (Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc.) who steered this administration into the fiasco that is Iraq. It is these idealogues who are now urging the crazed George Bush into Iran. They and their neo-conservative lunacy should have been discredited long ago. The mainstream media have treated PNAC with kid gloves, and I can’t fathom why. They are among the most viperous and seditionary forces the US has ever seen.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:03 pmand in six to nine months he will WANT US TO BE QUIET FOR ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTHS ad nauseum.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:05 pmKristol is a Republican bootlicker. He ought to be ashamed. I’m sure he would wait 6-9 months if Clinton was President. He’d be ready to castrate him. I wonder if he read Winston Churchhill’s comment in the ’20s that “Iraq is an ungrateful volcanoe.” Anything changed here? It is unbelievable.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pmKristol is a Republican bootlicker. He ought to be ashamed. I’m sure he would wait 6-9 months if Clinton was President. He’d be ready to castrate him. I wonder if he read Winston Churchhill’s comment in the ’20s that “Iraq is an ungrateful volcanoe.” Anything changed here? It is unbelievable.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pm“It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months….”
January 21st, 2007 at 6:12 pmI think he forgot the operative word…..as in can’t you be quiet for 6 or 9 months MORE. The past 4 years has had more than enough silence! I will not be silent!
I would like to see Kristol lead the charge into battle (ala Patton) since he’s one of a chosen few Patriots.
I’ve got my own term for these people… Hatriots
BTW read “Bingo!” here by Jane Smiley if you get a chance. Explains the “Culture Warrior” thing quite well.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:15 pmOH! let’s forget the last 3 yrs. of lying ineptitude and give this asshole chance number whatever BK is a pompous and pretentious dickhead only about 30% of America gives a big rat’s ass what you have to say
January 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmit’s always great to be able to double-down when you’re using someone else’s amex gold card, although i think bushco got wall street to issue him a amex blood red card
January 21st, 2007 at 6:27 pmit’s always great to be able to double-down when you’re using someone else’s amex gold card, although i think bushco got wall street to issue him an amex blood red card
January 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pmGW got is into Iraq for his desire to be a “great president” Wars make for “greatness” in history books. But he also believes that wars once fought must be won. His present concondrum is: What can I do to win? His answer: Enlarge the war by hook or crook. So do not expect this war to wind down ; expect it to enlarge. Possibly by starting some confrontation with Iran ; possibly something else. Should then a Democrat get into the White House and try to change his wars into peace Democrats will be accused of being traitors in a fashion reminiscent of A. Hitler in the inter war years. The beautiful USA might be in big trouble thanks to Bush , a man who should never have wanted to be president, who was never elected as president. Sad is the final summary.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pmNot anyone else but this idiot should shut up until this war is over.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:41 pmNot anyone else but this idiot should shut up until this war is over.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmThis war has nothing to do with keeping this country safe from harm. It has everything to do with privatized oil profit and the politics of restructuring the Middle East, to accomodate Saudi Arabia. I will never shut up and I will never forget what has happened, this past six years. All this happened for a reason; to help make me pay attention to what our elected officials are doing with our trust and the stewardship of thier appointments. Treason is an awfully strong accusation, but I believe that is just what these pink monkeys with Messiah complexes have committed.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pmWhat a fuggin sociopath. He cares more about politics-as-sport than he does his country, or American lives. He smirks his way through Fox show after Fox show, pretending to be more than a thoroughly-discredited intellectual-flyweight.
He’s nothing. A nobody. A desperate little weenie that’s out to prove all the popular people from his High School wrong. You can see it in his eyes and hear it in his arguments- he has no ethics, no shame, and no empathy. S O C I O P A T H
You can’t argue with these people because they refuse to agree to a “baseline of facts.”
January 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmLook at the “Digg it” comments that quote him speaking on NPR to Terry Gross about how well he expected the Sunni and Shia to get along since “Iraq has always been secular.”
What a complete psycho.
I think Bill Kristol would like us to become louder.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmThis guy is so creepy. He thinks he’s master of the universe and that this is not a country of “We The People”. He wishes the populace would just shut up. This creep isn’t even a representative of the people; he was voted to nothing. Again, I can’t believe this creep is given face time on television week after week as if he represents the government or the people. This is a government of the people, and he (and others) can’t get that through their little Authoritarian, Double-High, halucinating thick skulls.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmThat Black guy on the show is commendable for having to deal with this mad man in a controlled manner. I know Bill Kristol needs and deserves a few slugs to the face.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:36 pmThink Progress, a real suggestion: invite Bill Kristol to read these comments, or mail them to him, so he knows. Because God knows that all of us are smarter than him and he needs help in the reality department.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pmhey kristol… why don’t you get out your jackboots and start goosestepping around you fascist gestapo-headed freedom hating brownshirt.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmKristol - big time neocon…his old man founded the whole movement. Want to know the source of all of the world’s trouble:
THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE! Cheney, his wife, Kristol, Rummy, Wolfowitz - the list is endless
Half the Bush admin came from there…they even keep popping up on NPR radio every week spouting their b.s. - irritates me to no end with the influence they have filtered into every branch and level of our government.
Check it out at Wikipedia or SourceWatch. Now if we could only get the average slob on the street to wake up and realize this.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmThere are some in Congress who would require Fox to give equal time to opposing view points. Imagine that happening. How difficult would it be to refute the nonsense that spews forth from Kristol et al.
http://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Rep._believes_Democratic_media_reform_bill_0121.html
Rep. believes Democratic media reform bill may prevent possible ‘fascist’ takeover of US media
January 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmI think Kristol could win the No Talent Ass-Clown award or be a close runner-up behind Rush, O’Reilly, Bush, Cheney… the list goes on.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:06 pmOnly FoxNews would give Kristol (a founder of PNAC & thereby one of the architects of this disaster) a platform to repeat PNAC lies in the face of over a 1/2 million Iraqi civilian deaths & 3000 American soldiers deaths and counting. What’s up, not ENOUGH BLOOD SPILLED YET????
Kristol along with the other F#@%%$#CKING VAMPIRES in PNAC should all be sent to Gitmo forever!
ESCALATE THE IMPEACHMENTS, NOT THE WARS!!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:13 pmAs Dick(head Chaney) blabbered to Sen. Leahy on the Senate floor…Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pm“GO PHUCK YOURSELF!”
Jon Stewart has him on alot and does not, in my opinion, skewer Kristol sufficiently.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pmStewart parries and jabs ticklishly and Kristol gets nasty with a smile on his face, and Stewart doesn’t fire back. Pretty shabby. That’s about it on the media circuit for refuting the lies and distortions that Kristol nacht spews.
Israel must be defended, I dont care how many American lives it takes says Kristol
January 21st, 2007 at 8:22 pmGILAD ATZMON asks the question in an interesting article. It applies to Kristol.
“Is there a linear ideological continuum between the Israeli vision of Middle East interests and the architects behind the New American Century project? Is there continuum between the crime carried out against the Palestinian people in Gaza in the name of the war on terror and the crime against the Iraqi people committed in the name of ‘liberation’?”
Between the Shtetl and the Big City
January 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pmOne Hundred Years of Jewish Solitude
http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon01202007.html
“F*CK YOU, WE’LL NEVER BE QUIET AS LONG AS YOU’RE SCREWING OVER MY COUNTRY, A**HOLE”
Who’s screwing over this country? You libs are the ones who won’t let the mightiest military in the history of the world to fight their fight! It’s you libs who blabber day after day, month after month, year after year about mistreating prisoners at Ahbu Graib. It’s you libs who blabber on about how our intelligent services monitor phone calls that a computer raises a red flag about! It’s you libs who accuse our soldiers of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the might! It’s you libs who forge military records trying to embarrass the President! It’s you libs who reveal our secret prisons. We want to win this war but I’m starting to have my doubts when there are a large number of democrats in my country who are aiding and abetting our enemies! You don’t think that they read all your hate? Just like the North Vietnamese they have time on their side. They can afford to be pests until their enablers (democrats) pave the path for them. Congratulations traitors!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:37 pmJuan Williams is fighting the good fight. He is a rational MAN, the Kristel he is opposing is trying to overcome the incompetence of the right wing. Juan Williams
January 21st, 2007 at 8:39 pmand Kristal are fighting on the edge of the edge. If you’ve gotten this far in the
comments you are asking which is right??? If you know about HUMAN BEINGS
you know that the one who has lied and lied did so for a reason. He thought
that by throwing crumbs to us he would get our minds. He was wrong.
Thank God we can still think. The best I can do is to trust in the people of Iran.
They are educated, they know what is about to happen to them. I am listening
to AirAmerica because I am not stupid. But I “don’t Know” bout them either.
Michael says libs won’t let US fight their fight
Which fight is that Michael? Against terrorists. Yeah, right. Except, IRaq wasn’t harboring terrorists until…until..we invaded it.
Which fight is that Michael? Against wmd? Yeah, right. Except, Iraq didn’t have wmd until we invaded.
Which fight is that Michael? Against sectarian violence> Yeah right, Except there wasn’t any until we invaded.
SO which fight is ‘their’ fight?
January 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pmJuan Williams wouldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pmMichael, if you want to fight terrorists, invade Saudi Arabia.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pmWE’RE irresponsible?? We didn’t start a f&%$@!ing war for NO REASON!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:57 pmGood for Juan Williams for pointing out that Kristol was being a tad blinded by his own politics and opinions. Let’s do some basic math for Mr. Kristol’s benefit: Let’s take the low end of his suggested waiting period–6 months (a half a year or 182.5 days). If we take a modest death rate of say 8 Americans and 50 Iraqis a day what would Kristol’s waiting period mean? 1,460 Americans and 9,121 Iraqis killed. Ok, so we all know that a bottom feeder like Kristol doesn’t consider Iraqis a group anyone need be concerned with and so they really don’t enter into his thinking. Still, 1,500 Americans dead and many, many more wounded…so he, Bush, Fredrick Kagan, and company can test a theory? And what if these people are wrong? I mean, they haven’t been right about a single aspect of the Middle East conflict so far (recall Americans will be embraced as liberators Mr. Kristol?) and so we should ignore their abysmal track record and embrace this new idea? Why? Because Bush is “The Decider?” The only think he is compenent to decide is whether he wants his eggs scrambled or poached. I’ll tell you what…if Kristol, Bush, Kagan, and the rest of those who think escalation is such a great idea, let them donate their children to the foder pool. I wonder how gung ho Bush would be if his two daughters were packingtheir bags for al Anbar. What would Laura say? Have we bought life insurance for ourt kids George? I have a better idea. Bush, Kristol, and the rest bet the bank using someone elses assets and lost. See that wasn’t so hard to say. Rather than continue receiving large fees for speaking as purported authorities on anything MIddle Eastern these guys should shut the Hell up…we should ship Bushand Cheney to The Hague for trial as a war criminal if we had any sense at all. I’d suggest the brilliant minds find something else to screw up but I’d better not do that since they might go out and do it.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:00 pmVictory is making Iraq safe for the oil companies.
Democracy is having a government they can buy like the one here.
Our war, the Iraq civil war, Sadam’s war in Kuwait, etc., all are fights over a pieces of the oil revenues.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pm“Which fight is that Michael? Against terrorists. Yeah, right. Except, IRaq wasn’t harboring terrorists until…until..we invaded it”
That a bunch of BS! There has always been terrorists in Iraq.
“Which fight is that Michael? Against wmd? Yeah, right. Except, Iraq didn’t have wmd until we invaded”
We didn’t invade Iraq for WMD! We invaded Iraq so that we could have a huge military presence between Iran & Syria!
“Which fight is that Michael? Against sectarian violence> Yeah right, Except there wasn’t any until we invaded”
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands dead Iraqis and Kurds!
January 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pmBush is a crazy son of a bitch.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:09 pmThe fact is congress was quiet for 3+ years, while controlled by the republicans, and we can see where that got us. Incompetence in the preparation planning and execution of the war in Iraq. Maybe had republicans done their job, and people like Kristol been truely honest commentators the mess would not be as bad as it is. Another 6-9 months of quiet will only lead the country and the miliatry deeper into the quagmire that is Iraq. This administration and the likew of Kristol have had ample quiet time to make things work and have failed misserably. The real solution is to try them all for treason/at least incompetence, and stick them with the bill. Let them and their heirs pay for the mess they have wrought.
January 21st, 2007 at 9:18 pmCurious about the criteria for deleting posts.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:16 pmIs irrelevance the criteria? If so why wasn’t Michael’s post above deleted as well?
Michael
January 21st, 2007 at 10:19 pmThe hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Kurds occurred when we were providing Saddam with money and nerve gas. Get your facts straight dude, you are a dope.
Do you think that when George and Dick are standing next to each other at the urinal, they compare each other’s WMD? Maybe THAT’S why George has such a “deer caught in the headlight” look, and that’s why Dick’s defibilator takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmLets see the MORON in the WHITE HOUSE has had 5 plus years to come up with a plan now that the peopl are in BACK in POWER it is up to the New Congress to come up with a plan because the GUTLESS COWARDS were to busy stilling the TREASURY to be concerned not counting the CONSTITUTIONAL violations that they are trying to work around the out and out CONDEMNATION of CONGRESS the untter CONTEMPT for the JUDICIARY Branch and the flaggrent fireing of Federal Prosecutors so they can manipulate the law to serve their purposes. Lets convict Spineless cheney, then IMPEACH (spits) bush and cheney. Then give the Government BACK to the PEOPLE.
January 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmMichael
January 21sIf anyone is the traitor it’s Bush. He sold out the US to the Saudis and to AIPAC. Sold out our military sons and daughters for pieces of gold, for billions. Lets our children fight for the Saudi and Israeli lust for power.