McCain: Bush Escalation Is Too Small
In October 2006, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called for “another 20,000 troops in Iraq.” In January 2007, President Bush accepted the idea and announced he would send 21,500 more soldiers into the middle of Iraq’s civil war. McCain quickly endorsed the strategy.
Since that time, McCain has been slowly back-pedaling from the escalation plan, offering numerous reasons for why the strategy will not succeed. He has argued the Pentagon was “dragging its feet” in implementing the strategy. Now, he is arguing that the escalation is too small.
On NBC’s Meet the Press, McCain said, “I would have liked to have seen more” troops sent to Iraq. He added, “If it had been up to me,” more U.S. troops would be on their way into Baghdad. Watch it:
Full transcript:
RUSSERT: [quoting The Economist] ‘Adding around 20,000 to the 132,000 currently there will increase U.S. capabilities but not enough to stabilize the country.’ Do you agree with that?
MCCAIN: I am concerned about it, whether it is sufficient numbers or not. I would have liked to have seen more.
I looked General Petraeus in the eye and said is that sufficient for you to do the job? He assured me he thought it was and that he had been told if he needed more, he would receive them. I have great confidence in General Petraeus. I think he’s one of the finest generals that our military has ever produced, and he has a proven record on that. He wrote the new army counterinsurgency manual.
But do I believe that if it had been up to me would there have been more? Yes. But one of the keys to this is get them over there quickly, rather than feed them in piecemeal as some in the Pentagon would like to do today.
McCain needs more cowbell.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pmMcCain said, “I would have liked to have seen more†troops sent to Iraq. He added, “If it had been up to me,†more U.S. troops would be on their way into Baghdad.
There is is. Right there. That was just the final nail in McCain’s political career.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:53 pmI saw the interview, albeit briefly, but McCain did not look good. He looked ill. He looked uncertain. He did not look like a leader.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:54 pmSomeone (like maybe his best friend) should tell him to wrap it up and go home. He’s hurting himself. For a man who once held hero status, he has fallen from grace so fast, it is painful to watch him.
Go home, John. Quit the race.
too small? … mostly way too late…
January 21st, 2007 at 12:55 pmlisten to marie, john…
January 21st, 2007 at 12:56 pmMcCain is all over the map. The Bush team told him to support the escalation or kiss his presidential hopes goodbye. Then McCain saw how badly his numbers were tanking. So he is scrambling to preempt disaster, setting himself up with an excuse when escalation fails: “I told you it wasn’t a big enough escalation”.
What a soul-selling whore McCain has become.
January 21st, 2007 at 12:58 pmNevermind that we don’t HAVE more troops to send, that the military is stretched so thin that they are lowering their standards for enlistment, reducing training time, extending deployments, reducing time out of theatre and issuing “stop-loss” orders to keep people from leaving once they’ve served their term.
The militaty can’t keep up the pace of the deployment as it is, and McCain says they should be throwing MORE troops into the fray??? Pure fantasy and bluster on his part. He just wants cover for when this blows up in Bush’s face.
McCain is such a wuss. Caving in to the far “religious” right and playing Bush’s lackey. He makes me sick when I think I supported him in 2000….
January 21st, 2007 at 12:58 pmMcCain, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld: they are all traitors and all are covering up the Bush Administration’s high treason on 9-11. I am also quite outraged at the corporate Democrats and their pathetic (to date) pussyfooting around this Bush criminal enterprise…
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January 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pmIt’s actually a perfect CYA strategy. He can now have his cake and eat it to.
When the plan eventually fails, as we all know it will, he will merely have to say: “I knew we needed more troops” in order to absolve himself of blame.
How will anybody be able to technically prove him wrong?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pmIt amazes me that with Kerry the term ‘Flip Flopper’ was hurled non-stop,and yet I rarely hear anyone tag this smellderly codger with it.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pmAllow me….You are a Flip Flopper Jowls McCain.
STFU McJowels, your position is as pointless as your candidacy. Why do you hate democracy? Iraq PM Malaki stated , as evident in todys WAPO, do not send any more troops. Why can’t you respect the sogverign wishes of a Nation? Oh thats right your a Fake American Straussian Neocon cocksucker. Whats the flavor is the Imperialist jism today?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:07 pmLook at that man’s face — his eyes. Pure desperation….
Sad.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:07 pmTenebrae ,
January 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pmYou supported Mccandyass in 2000?
then Dosn’t that makes you part of the problem, not the solution?
Just askin
***Would someone please ask Mccain if he knew that the plan was “bad” in the beginning why did he not demand they change it then, and more specifically what did he do at that time, 3yrs ago to change it ?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pm*** Instead of his incessant BS “the plan was bad”. Anyone caring about young American lives would have defied their party’s silence and opposed the Prez at that time.Remember he was part of the gang that were saying it’s unproductive to critize the Prez.’s policy in a time of war.McCain a real disgusting human being.
Comment by Waiter # 6 — January 21, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
That’s the same exact view that other religious freaks have about Christians. But it’s okay for you…
Thanks for reminding me why I am an Atheist.
Freak
January 21st, 2007 at 1:13 pmBush/Cheney will be thrown out of power by the end of the year
January 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmHave you noticed? Neither President George W. Bush nor Vice President Dick Cheney have cited any US intelligence assessments to support their fateful decision to send 21,500 more troops to referee the civil war in Iraq. This is a far cry from October 2002, when a formal National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) was rushed through in order to trick Congress into giving its nihil obstat for the attack on Iraq.
Why no intelligence justification this time around? Because there is none.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:17 pmJPV — January 21, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
DING DING DING DING - You win the grand prize.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:19 pmSince then, US officials have avoided giving any estimate of the Mahdi Army’s strength. But according to a report published last month by London’s Chatham House, which undoubtedly reflected the views of British intelligence in Iraq, the Mahdi Army may now be “several hundred thousand strong.” Even if that estimate vastly overstates his troop strength, it reflects the sense that he has the strongest political-military force in the country — because of the loyalty that so many Shiites have toward him…
By last spring, the political atmosphere in the Shiite community was seething with hatred of the US and support for war against the occupation forces. In a May 6 story, Borzou Daraghi of the Los Angeles Times quoted a spokesman for the Ayatollah Mohammed Taqi Moderessi in Karbala, known in the past as a moderate, as saying the slogan “Death to America” at Friday prayers. The ayatollah reported that people were preparing for a military showdown with the US, saying “The Americans won’t leave except by the funerals of their sons.”
But the administration and the military in Iraq still appear to believe that there is some way to contain al-Sadr’s power. They have not yet accepted that al-Sadr has both the intention and the capability to bring down the US occupation.
http://www.agrnews.org/ ?section=archives&cat_id=46&article_id=1234
January 21st, 2007 at 1:20 pmSouthern Iraqi Tribes Joining Armed Resistance
BAGHDAD - Violence is spreading further across Iraq, as Shi’ite Arab tribes in the south begin to engage occupation forces in new armed resistance.
Armed resistance against the occupation in the south was slow to begin with because religious clerics instructed their followers to give the occupation time to fulfill promises made by the Bush and Blair administrations, al-Assadi said.
“But now they do not believe any cleric’s promises any more. They have started fighting, and that is that.”
January 21st, 2007 at 1:21 pmBarfly? Boyfly?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmI’m sure there’s room on our military transports to take every asshat Congressperson who supports the escalation, SEND EM ALL.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:25 pmSadr has changed tactics his men now wear jeans and NOT black uniforms as to be recognised, he also enlisted 1 million Shia aged 14 to 45 in Baghdada alone to fight Americans IF STARTED UPON
Also watching a program on TV the british in the South have NO communications with ANY Iraqis in the South in fact in the interview of People in the South they say” we dont talk to the British we are Protected by Sadr ”
when america kicks more shit the british are to be targets
January 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmHey Abby, read #6. Do I get a prize? ;-)
January 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmHe’s hurting himself. For a man who once held hero status, he has fallen from grace so fast, it is painful to watch him.
He stopped being a hero when he sucked up to the very people who trashed him, his reputation and his family during the 2000 Campaign.
McCain is a coward and a delusional fool.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:27 pmtoo small??? Shouldn’t of happened in the first place. Wars based on lies are always losing wars.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:29 pm“Kill em all”, eh.
What a cute little saying.
That’s called Genocide and that’s a crime against humaity.
Fron what I understand, God dosen’t care much for those who support Genocide.
I would think in the sorting phase, you don’t do so well.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:30 pmI posted at nine thirty on Huffpo regarding his demeanor and enthusiasm. He clearly looked like a broken man, or terribly distracted. Shuffleboard tourney starts after lunch, John…
January 21st, 2007 at 1:36 pmBarfly? Boyfly?
Comment by rachel b. blair — January 21, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Aw, am I now off the list? Poor Rache . . .
January 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmYou still can go there, McCain and stop the evil threat of terrorism.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:44 pmMcCain: Bush Escalation Is Too Small
Think about it McCain is already saying its not Gonna work - hes a weasel
January 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pmThink about it McCain is already saying its not Gonna work - hes a weasel
Comment by Find Muck — January 21, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Maybe he needs to talk to Kristol?
January 21st, 2007 at 1:46 pm#10 You are right…. this is all about CYA. . . . McCain wants an escape from responsibility in supporting the war. This will allow him to say, “Of course it failed, I must have at least once said we needed __________________(fill in the blank - More, A lot More, A shitload More, Less, a lot less, zip more) troops to kick ass in Iraq. See, I was right, and would make a wonderful ‘commander in chief,’ please vote for me.”
January 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pmI see you are still obsessed with my ass.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — January 21, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Funniest post so far today… LOL
January 21st, 2007 at 1:54 pmHow about it BNF? Rache just went off on Spudge for no apparent reason. Tell us again about not treating her with scorn!
Comment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Maybe BNF want ’s my e-mail address;he’s hot for me,ya know.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:54 pmMy Kung Fu is stronger than his Kung Fu.
You brought Kung Fu; Rache brought Kung Pao.
January 21st, 2007 at 1:55 pmWTF? McCain sounds like a dopey bear in a childhood story….’Too big, too small, just right…”
McLoser, retire from office in disgrace please.
-GSD
January 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pmYou brought Kung Fu; Rache brought Kung Pao.
Comment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
I think it has had a little too much Kung Pao. All of that MSG has destroyed Raches’ brain matter.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:01 pmMcCain: Bush Escalation Is Too Small
How would he know? Personal experience?
LOL
January 21st, 2007 at 2:01 pmMcCain’s initial suggestion of troop escalation was a political gambit and he didn’t think Bush would actually do it. McCain just wanted to be on record saying he wanted escalation so that later, when running for prez and the iraq war was completely lost, he could say: “if Busy had escalated like I suggested…blah blah ….we would have won” He was surprised I believe when Bush went for the extra 20,000.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:03 pmSo…….. Now he is gambling again that Bush will not call for even more troops so later he can say……”if we’d increased the troops….blah blah….” You get the picture. He’s just upping the anti and playing the same game again. He’s a bad man.
Why do we continue to act like idiots?
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ POLITICS/ 01/ 20/ Dems.radio.ap/ index.html
January 21st, 2007 at 2:05 pmHe’s a bad man.
Comment by s — January 21, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
I don’t think he is a bad man. He is a pathetic man. I think he is a decent man who has gone far, far astray from his true beliefs. He wants so badly to be President, and he knows this is his last chance in life, so he is making a desperate gambit to get there. He might even believe that he has the answers for the Iraq problem, and that he is the right guy to fix the mess. But his obsession has destroyed his judgment, and rendered him unfit for office.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pmDraft Law Keeps Central Control Over Oil in Iraq
January 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pmby James Glanz, The New York Times
January 19th, 2007
Comment by Find Muck — January 21, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Excellent point! There is another NIE, which purportedly showed things to be very, very bad in Iraq, and was supposed to be released after the November election. Bush&Co. just didn’t say how long after….
January 21st, 2007 at 2:09 pmThe law would also revive the Iraqi National Oil Company, a
January 21st, 2007 at 2:09 pmcountrywide umbrella organization that was essentially closed by
Saddam Hussein.
I’m out of here. Don’t let the trolls get you down, guys. Clearly more action needs to be taken against them, and perhaps another boycott is in order. I tend to favor registration to help the TP staff police the problem.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:11 pmI’m getting sick and tired of seeing St. John’s face on MTP every week spouting his same old B.S. I guess NBC is on his political commitee to push for the 08 election. This clown has had so many positions on this damn war and his support for this FAILED Administration that he doesn’t know where he is anymore.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:11 pmPLEASE America WAKE UP!! and see this nitwit for what he is a FLIP FLOPPER of the first order.
Comment by rachel b. blair — January 21, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
rachael, a couple of days ago I got onto posters who wanted to bait you until you went off onto a rant.
The same goes for you. There’s no call for what you’re posting. Please stick to contributing your cut-and-paste comments and links.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:11 pmHold it. Back that TiVo up again. I heard him say Gen Petraeus was promised moretroops if he need them.
Let’s see what Sen Webb has to say after SOTU.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:14 pmHow about it BNF? Rache just went off on Spudge for no apparent reason. Tell us again about not treating her with scorn!
Comment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Sorry, Barfly, I just got in from working around the house and am working my way down the thread.
My comments the other day were directed towards those who want to goad her into acting like this. There’s not much you nor I can do when she starts off this way. It’s as if we’re dealing with someone who is, or should be, under psychological care.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:18 pmBNF - >
Why no intelligence justification this time around? Because there is none.
Having successfully cooked intelligence four years ago to get authorization for war, the Bush administration has zero incentive to try a repeat performance. Nor is there any sign that the new Democratic chairmen of the Senate and House intelligence committees will even think to ask the intelligence community to state its views on the likely effect of the planned “surge” in troop strength. This, even though an NIE on Iraq has been “almost ready” for months.
For the Bush administration, it has been difficult enough whipping its fickle but ultimately malleable generals into line. The civilian intelligence chiefs have proven more resistant. So the White House is playing it safe, avoiding like the plague any estimate that would raise doubts about the wisdom of the decision to surge. And that is precisely what an honest estimate would do. With “sham-dunk” former CIA director George Tenet and his accomplices no longer in place as intelligence enablers, the White House clearly prefers no NIE to one that would inevitably highlight the fecklessness of throwing 21,500 more troops into harm’s way for the dubious purpose of holding off defeat for two more years.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:22 pmIt seems quite clear that the additional troop decision was made without any formal input from the intelligence community. There would be no NIE on “Probable Reactions to Various Courses of Action With Respect to Iraq” – no formal paper that could make the president’s decision appear highly questionable. Let the on-again-off-again NIE on prospects for Iraq languish.
And let former CIA director, now Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pretend, as he did on Jan. 12 before the Senate Armed Services Committee, that he is “unaware” of the existence of an NIE draft on prospects for Iraq. Sen. John Warner, R-Va., raised the subject with Gates, saying that Negroponte had assured him the NIE would be issued at the end of the month.
Don’t hold your breath.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:26 pmIf ya’ll are looking for a quick diversion before the NFL league championship games start, I have a new Assclowns of the Week up, the Tin Soldiers and Dubya’s Coming Edition.
Who’s on the spit in #57?
Duhbya.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:33 pmThe Pentagon.
Ted Nugent.
Glenn Beck.
The IRS, and much, much more!
McCain also slammed the Pentagon for suggesting we don’t another 100,000 troops to send to Iraq. He just kind of vaguely whined that with one million men in uniform we must be able to find them somewhere and that the Generals don’t know what they’re talking about.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pmRegarding McCain, here’s what Bush&Co. said about him just a few years ago:
and,
January 21st, 2007 at 2:41 pmHe looked awful. Over medicated - slow speech - disoriented at times. Scary.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:42 pmMcCain has obviously let his aspirations to higher office cloud his better judgement. once upon a time, I used to have some respect for his independent maverick persona. no more. He has whored himself out to the reichwing Jesus wingnuts(Bob Jones U.), the cowardly chickenhawk neocons, and anyone else for their votes. He will NEVER get my vote now.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:45 pmAnother look back at the Reich-wing attacks against McCain:
January 21st, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhen the plan eventually fails, as we all know it will, he will merely have to say: “I knew we needed more troops†in order to absolve himself of blame.
How will anybody be able to technically prove him wrong?
Comment by JPV
Right on the money!
January 21st, 2007 at 2:53 pmThank God it’s not up to him!!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 2:54 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.â€
Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
January 21st, 2007 at 2:55 pmHunter S. Thompson on George W. Bush
He knew who I was, at that time, because I had a reputation as a writer. I knew he was part of the Bush dynasty. But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing.
He had no humor. He was insignificant in every way and consequently I didn’t pay much attention to him.
But when he passed out in my bathtub, then I noticed him. I’d been in another room, talking to the bright people. I had to have him taken away.
January 21st, 2007 at 2:55 pmJohn McKick-the-can-down-the-road-until-the-next-election-and-hope-no-one-notices, our best hope for success!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:15 pmThe way things are going for McCain, I wonder if he is - yet again - falling victim to his own party. He says 20,000, we send 21,500, yet he complains that he wanted more? Expect that little nugget to be pulled out at all the right moments next spring.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:17 pmI totally agree with Marie’s comment.
I, too, caught just a bit of the interview. I was shocked not only at his appearance, but his overall persona. He’s always been a confident, take-charge type of guy, and those elements of his personality were not present. He looked more like Barney Fife than Arrrnouuuld.
The number of troops is one thing, but the quality of the troops is quite another. It goes without saying that men and women on their third, and fourth tours of duty in Iraq must be stressed– almost to the breaking point.
John
January 21st, 2007 at 3:20 pmBarfly… Hiccup! I`ll drink to that.
At least you got that part right, Rache . . .
So, how’s it feel to get thumped by a “drunk” on such a regular basis? Oh, I forgot, about Gino. ‘Nuff said.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:22 pmcheck out the new video - How this must end…
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/ index2.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1169358427&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&page=blog
So what’s the number??? 3,046 coffins draped with flags.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmSen. McCain, and his Marine son Jimmy, need to get over to Iraq immediately on the front lines of battle, since John believes in escalating the Iraq fiasco debacle quagmire!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmDont know who this was but it wasnt me.
Comment by Rachel K
And “the list?” Was that you?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe Editor-in-Chief of the Arab Times reports that a “reliable source†in Washington has provided detailed information about the forthcoming US hard-power attack on Iran’s nuclear and oil industries.
According to the un-named sources cited in the Arab Times, the US timetable is being driven by the retirement of George Bush’s major ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:34 pmWhy are cyber hacker trolls hijacking our screen names on TP threads? Last night some yanker used my name on a thread, so I had to file a complaint with Judd about it. If you see anyone hijacking names, then report them immediately to TP staff to be banned from this blog site!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pmI have not posted anything here so far today.
I have been reading and saw someone posted in my old handle.
Why dont YOU go Die Now For Peace you chicken shit keyboard commando.
Comment by waiter #6
And this, Rache? Of course it’s you. That one doesn’t work anymore.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:44 pmWhat list.
I have not posted anything here so far today.
I have been reading and saw someone posted in my old handle.
Just wanted to say it wasnt me is all.
Comment by rachel k
This list:
Here are the opening winners.
I give you the †Dirty Dozen â€
1) Sy Bil
2) ForTruth
3) Trueblue
4) Barfly
5) Unbelievable
6)
7) VerbalKnit
8) John Gilpins
9) Krazny
10) Robert
11) Chimpeach
12) DieNowForPeace
I am open to any meaningful and thoughtful debate on any topic on this blog with anyone else with the exception of the above aforementioned.
Comment by rachel kinnardi
Tripping over your various identities, Rache? You’ve never been very good at it. Why bother?
January 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmTripping over your various identities, Rache? You’ve never been very good at it. Why bother?
Comment by Barfly — January 21, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
People just do not realize the importance of lists. Rache took all of this time to make a list of people she does not want to converse with but forgot to make a list of her various identities which she uses to converse. Just like a troll, no follow through!
January 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pmJust like a troll, no follow through!
Comment by Jules —
Looks like someone else just made the list. Welcome, bro.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:57 pm…I’m still depressed that I didn’t make The List (TM) …
Just how how stupid do I have to make ‘rachel’ look to merit inclusion?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:00 pmIn addition the the CYA strategy that I mentioned earlier, he also gets to sound tough by wanting to send more troops. This is sure to appeal to the twisted macho sentiment, from what little pro-war constituent base that is left.
I find that all the losers that are the most pro-war, have no real accomplishments in their lives to be proud of, and war makes them feel oh so powerful and strong. Because of this desperate need for self esteem, they are rabidly emotional about such matters.
That’s the groups who he’s obviously shooting for.
Pathetic really.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:01 pmI couldnt agree more Jay Randal.
Someone here dont like me very very much do they.
Comment by rachel k
And we come full circle. Her first ploy was to play the victim; and curse me for not letting my Carny nature to overrule my humanitarian proclivities, and just letting her flop around. But no, I engaged her, and stuck up for her when others attacked - and “made the list” for my efforts. Now she’s trying to fish in some new, inexperienced progs; ‘cept the older fish keep eating the bait, and leaving her sitting there with an empty hook.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:04 pmOh, stop it, rachel. Seriously.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:05 pmdo not know who posted or authored this “new†list but I it was not.
Comment by rachek k
To quote the Six Million Dollar Man:
She’s breaking up! She’s breaking up!
January 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pmMany of us saw this coming, concerning him crying that not enough troops will be dispatched; and all the while knowing full well that no more would be available.
Only a real turd plays with the lives of service men and women.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pmMcCain sez:
Well, if it had been up to me…we would have sent in Solid Snake and Sam Fisher, and we would have won by now…
Unfortunately for both my plan and McCain’s, we live in the reality based community.
McCain knows damned well that there aren’t that many troops…hell, they’re aren’t enough troops for Chimpy’s plan…much less McCain’s. By setting conditions for victory that are impossible to obtain, he absolves himself of blame when (not if…when) the ’surge’ fails miserably like everyone in the ‘reality based community knows it is doomed to.
McCain has truly sold his soul…not even for the Presidency, but for a shot at it. Even selling it that cheap, it still looks like the Devil got the bad end of the bargain.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:12 pmrachel k sez:
OK…your funeral, rachel.
Dolt.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:14 pmCan you please add me to your list, miss troll?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:20 pmI suppose it would be off color to ask the McCain supporters why we would want a leader like him. A leader, not candidate, like John McCain. Bush proved to lead as he campaigned, becoming a lying leader after being a lying candidate. Why expect anything else from McCain? The question: as he is right now, do we want McCain to be our president?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pmRichard
Mayhaps Agent Orange has ‘contacted’ the senator from Arizona…….
January 21st, 2007 at 4:22 pmrachel k sez:
Sorry, rachel, but that happens every time you post your crazy nonsense. No input from us is necessary to make you look like a fool.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmCould you people not talk about yourselves so much… I am doing more scrolling past your crap than reading actual points…. thanks.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmHow about just making it your last post ever, rachel, OK?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pmThanks.
Jeez………..
I have great confidence in General Petraeus. I think he’s one of the finest generals that our military has ever produced, and he has a proven record on that. He wrote the new army counterinsurgency manual.
Is someone expecting to see “Strategic Hamlets” fly?
The strategy didn’t work in Vietnam, and so like all the other failures of that era it must be tried again. Maybe they’ll finally get it perfected in Iran . . .
January 21st, 2007 at 4:39 pmWhat an assh*le rachel k is.
Probably time for another walk-off day.
It’s a shame I couldn’t get a hold of more regular posters. I would have liked to, but it got very difficult trying to contact people with the trolls messing with me.
To any interested party:
Next time, you are all invited.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:45 pmWill probably post with a word, not a letter.
So when you see just a word on a ThinkFast, it’ll mean “walk away from TP day.”
“Black Hawk Down” In Baghdad
21st of January 2007
by Jay Randal
In 1993, during a raid on a vile Somalian warlord in conflict-torn Mogadishu, two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down by insurgents, and 18 US Rangers & Delta Force soldiers lost their lives in melee of battle.
In the aftermath of the fire-fight the American press, and Republican members of Congress, demanded the removal of all American troops from Somalia ASAP, so President Clinton was forced to end the US mission.
Yesterday in Iraq a Black Hawk helicopter was shot down over Baghdad, by insurgent fighters, killing 13 soldiers onboard and an additional 11 soldiers were killed in other battles throughout conflict-torn Iraq.
The American press for the most part is silent about it, and Republican hypocrite members of Congress are not demanding an immediate end to Iraq occupation, nor calling for removal of all the troops like in Somalia.
The American public wants the heinous debacle fiasco quagmire ended in Iraq, and all the troops removed as soon as possible, so the Congress must do it PERIOD.
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Sen. John McCain was one of the GOPers who demanded that President Clinton pull the troops out of Somalia for ‘Black Hawk Down.’
January 21st, 2007 at 4:47 pmI am paying for this site with my hard earned tax dollars.
Where have I read that before? Oh, yeah, now I remember:
Dear Tp Staff,
Is their anything more that can be done by you and your posters to make me more comfortable in my stay here at TP?
They seem to be full of vitriol and hatred for one another and this fervor is at a fever pitch and well, to be honest, some of them are just down right rude and nasty here at TP. I think they know whom they are.
I dont feel like I am getting my moneys worth as a taxpaying United States citizen.
I hope you will look into this slight at your earliest convenience.
I paid for this and I am not getting my moneys worth.
I demand compensation for your lack of goodwill toward your fellow man.
I will accept payment in the form of cooperation and a general feeling of goodwill from your regular posters.
I expect these demands to be met and to resume immediately.
If this is not recieved, other forms of compensation will be sought and recieved.
Somehow until then I will manage to muddle through, but this blogging hobby is starting to become a burden and well you know, I just think you could try harder to make me more comfortable here since after all,it is my hard earned tax dollars funding this site. I just dont feel you are doing enough to make my stay here amiable and pleasurable like your ad stated on the box. Truth in advertising is the law.
I will forgive this mishap this time, but in the future please look into and perhaps sponsor starter academic programs for a select few posters here, perhaps offer simple courses like:
Note - 1 semester equals 6 months
1) People Skills 101 - 1 semester
2) How to Debate and Win! - I II III IV - 4 semesters
3) Know When to Say When - I II III IV - 4 semesters
4) The Basics of Ebb and Flow - I II III IV - 4 semesters
5) Priciples of Sharing - I II III IV - 4 semesters
6) Gift of Knowledge - I II III IV - 4 semesters
7) Communications for the Masses -I II III IV - 4 semesters
I will look forward to your reply in a memo here.
Comment by Charlie “Buck” Owens
Cross-dressing, were we, Buck?
January 21st, 2007 at 4:49 pmNice Pick-up, Barfly.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:53 pmvirtual high five!
Thanks, trueblue.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:56 pmFrom Rachel/ Buck:
If this is not recieved, other forms of compensation will be sought and recieved.
Is this a veiled threat against TP comments boards?
Now it’s serious!
January 21st, 2007 at 4:59 pmMcCain may have been tapped to be the Designated Flounder in the runup to the actual election. Someone to make a lot of noise and commotion, and make Rudy Gulliani look good….
January 21st, 2007 at 5:01 pm(choke, snort, guffaw, gasp, ha ha, ho ho, hee hee…………….)
McCain-Bush, Bush-McCain: The two are interchangable and play off each other like, well… flip and flop. How can anyone respect or admire anyone else that allows politics to take precedence over family? Wasn’t it McCain who allowed Carl Rove and George Bush to smear him and say that he had fathered a black baby out of wedlock? The truth is that the child was adopted. But McCain just let what Rove and Bush say go, to further his career. He even sided up to Bush afterward and kissed him on the cheek. That’s what I call a real whore. He has the audacity to call himself a veteran, too. Any self-respecting veteran who knows the horror of war would not want to send in more young troops to be killed and maimed. He is more interested in his career than in what is good for the United States.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe administration and the individuals who cooked the books are to be tried for treason. Lies, in public, to the public, on the airwaves which are owned by the citizens; enabled by corporate and individual owners are treason.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe war is murder, fraud and the corporate war profiteering is treasonous; individuals responsible will be tried and punished. The punishment will fit the crimes.
That’s it end of story.
Write, call, and email your represenitives, both state and federal and demand representation, or they are guilty by inaction for not performing their sworn duty.
Do the same for your state national guard and inform the commanders of your intentions.
Make them aware. Give them something to think about.
Get proactive. NOW!!!!!
Go ask Buck.
Comment by rachel j k
Next time you put on your Buck costume, better thing about the threat you made to the comments board. It might just be the thing that finally gets you banned.
We should all notify Judd of the threat she made in her alter ego, Buck. If you don’t know what I reference, she threatened TP:
I expect these demands to be met and to resume immediately.
If this is not recieved, other forms of compensation will be sought and recieved.
Perhaps now he’ll pay attention to her crackpot musings.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:20 pmHang in there, rachel, football season will be over soon. You’ll be able to hang out again at that sports bar, and hope to have someone listen to your inane prattle…
January 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmOr maybe they kicked you out of the place ’cause you’re still in your (6th) year of high school…………
You two are gumming up these threads with your wishful fantasies.
Thank You.
Comment by rachel j k
I would challenge Rachel or anyone else to find comments that reference TP’s tax-exempt status, other than those of Rachel and “Buck,” her other, fake identity. There are none. The tone of each is identical : a supposedly aggrieved taxpayer being victimized by the roughians here at TP. Yet she threatens to exact some unnamed “compensation” from the site, which would seem to be a violation of the site’s terms of use agreement.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pmMcCain is one crazy son of a bitch Bushbot puppet…what else could be wrong with a rubberneked asshole like this?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:41 pmmmmm…still feeding the troll. Ok. Back later.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:45 pmMcCain Oven Chips Is right
For Urban warfare you need a ratio of 70:1 to win
Baghdad with the extra 17,500 would be 325:1
( POP: 7 Million - 30,000 Sq KM , even with 35,000 troops thats only 1 troop per Sq KM ????? would be a 210:1 ration NO CHANCE)
Therefore Its a lost battle : Just think Battle for Falluga1 Americans lost 50 troops in 5 days - Baghdad you will lost a hundred a day
And as for Bushes plans Americans to take the south on their own and to use Sunni Kurds to take Sadr City ( to be Honest might as well go home) and on top of this you will have Sunni snipers shooting at your back ?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pmMcCain could be wrong about the need for more troops. (I don’t think he is). But, it is obvious that taking this stance is not politically savvy. The man spent six years of his life as a POW, for what he believed was defending our freedoms (ie, freedom of speech to post here). Can we give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually believes what he says and thinks it would be in the best long term interest of the country?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe Quintessential “Flipflopper” McCain is at it again. This man clearly has no idea what he is thinking, saying, or planning. One day it’s this; the next day it’s that. His entire career has been like this….First he was a democrat; then he became a republican…flip….flop…..flip…flop….
First he asks for 20,000 troops but because the baby couldn’t get his way immediately, now he is crying over spilled beans and suggesting that NOW that number is not enough.
Someone needs to tell Flipflop McCain that he can’t have things both ways….like Dubya does - after all, Dubya’s the Supreme Emperor of the U S of A and what’s FlipFlopper McCain but a lowly Senator….pecking order, Johnny boy, pecking order and you lose!
Seriously, this is the final nail in the coffin of this old man’s rapidly evaporating bid for the presidency. He’s a known war monger and wants to get even for all the harm that was done to him as a POW. Anger is not the answer as we all know. His personal agenda is getting in the way of sensible thought processes and his addled elderly brain synaptic activity is slowing down to a crawl.
Time to don those flannel pajamas and tuck yourself in, Johnnie Poo! Your political career is over.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhy does TP have so many idiotic trolls who can’t seem to understand the topic/thread and believe that they have the power to hijack intelligent people? Isn’t working, troll nation, is it?
January 21st, 2007 at 5:52 pmBush bitch slapped McCain when they were both contenders for the nomination of their party in 2000 - since then Flipper McCain has become a spineless bushbot sycophant. He’s never telling the truth; hasn’t told it before and isn’t telling it now. Don’t believe a word he says. Pathological lying seems to be a requirement to be a Rethug these days.
January 21st, 2007 at 5:55 pmFallujah Battle 2 - 95 Americans were killed, and over 700 were wounded in the fighting.
NO CHANCE OF TAKING BAGHDAD
January 21st, 2007 at 6:02 pmMan, is McCain ever backpeddling fast to not be in lockstep with Bush! This is comical….He is so desperate to separate himself from his idol, Dubya that he’s now contradicting his mentor?? How fascinating! Could it be that his handlers have already seen the handwriting on the wall and the people so link these two war mongers that they’d vote for a giraffe if it were running against flipper McCain in 08??? I think so.
What would his motive be in trying to separate himself from his bud Bush in this obvious way?? And why take the time? Pray tell…might it have something to do with realizing that his election hopes are already doomed by association with thugs??
January 21st, 2007 at 6:05 pmThe Editor-in-Chief of the Arab Times reports that a “reliable source†in Washington has provided detailed information about the forthcoming US hard-power attack on Iran’s nuclear and oil industries.
According to the un-named sources cited in the Arab Times, the US timetable is being driven by the retirement of George Bush’s major ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Comment by Marie — January 21, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
take your pick (and thanks, marie):
http://news.google.com/ news?hl=en&ned=&q=Arab+Times%2C+IRAN%2C+ATTACK&btnG=Search+News
January 21st, 2007 at 6:10 pm.
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The Center is undergoing a period of rapid growth. Its personnel and budget now rival the prominent Cato Institute.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pmjust a typical madman, should have a nice cozy
relationship with bush :)
i might believe some of this with iraq is true,
HOWEVER with all the corruption occuring
in one of the countries most elite, host class,
supposely public servant, yet in reality with
the highest white crime rate - washington dc
NO WAY……. CORRUPT…. enough to make you
PUKE :(
McCain + Bush…. you forgot to leave with the
rest of your culture of corruption related to the
109th.
what is it going to take to clean up this totally
January 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pmcorrupted criminal culture who provide all the
desperately needed services we supposely all
need. …. enough to …. **** + horrendously
insane :)
Hello S
I understand who you are. And that what you do is appreciated. Hopefully the complacent shall yet see.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:39 pmThe Center is undergoing a period of rapid growth. Its personnel and budget now rival the prominent Cato Institute.
Comment by Find Muck
Now research AEI
January 21st, 2007 at 6:43 pm*inhale* aahhhhhh… …20+ troll posts, gone…
thank you, TP…
January 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmWow, that was cool. Thanks, TP.
January 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmJust tuned back in and two dozen posts have disappeared; if the trolls have been identified and removed— yay!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 6:56 pmJust tuned back in and two dozen posts have disappeared; if the trolls have been identified and removed— yay!!!
Comment by Marie
They have. Whom here has an idea, not put downs, to solve the problem of Iraq?
[[BTW Bush,or Clinton, sucks is not an idea]]
January 21st, 2007 at 7:05 pmnot all of them… the nemesis troll posts are still around eslewhere… possibly others… but that “poor rachel” is gone…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pmuntil another day, no doubt…
#150…Hi Marie! I couldn’t agree with you more about the troll(s). I suspect that it’s one cross-dressing, schizophrenic with multiple personality disorder typing all the posts. TP can check his IP address and probably has. Frankly, I’ve never seen such sick posts from this (these) individuals with not only gender identification problems (transexual hermaphrodites?) and psychiatric disorders in one place at the same time. This makes the case for it being one solitary, angry individual with more time on his/her hands than intelligence to use it.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pmomg… spoke too soon… as always happens…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:07 pmFrankly, I’ve never seen such sick posts from this (these) individuals with not only gender identification problems (transexual hermaphrodites?)
It’s many posing as one.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:10 pmzep - i’m afraid that iraq shall forever, now, be a problem…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pmi only know that there is no USA military solution and those troops need to be pulled away from the troubles… now…
#152 - The way to even begin thinking about solving the problem is to fire the commander in chief who has repeatedly demonstrated such a break with reality that he’s totally incapable of coming up with any form of resolution to the mess he’s gotten us into in Iraq….he has no concept of what he is doing, has done, nor will do. He’s never had a plan at all - how can he when we’re fighting an ideology?? What does an ideology look like in the flesh? Sunni? Shiite?? Or neither?? So, without identification of an enemy per se (at least one you can easily identify), there can be no effective plan for any war. This is precisely why getting rid of Bush and getting out now and “cutting our losses” is the only answer. The GOP got us into this horrendous quagmire of a death spiral - let those wonderful brilliant minds figure out how the hell to get us out. We should have never gone in there in the first place so two wrongs (now remaining there) will never make a right and any plan for “surging troops” will backfire in our faces - resulting in more American deaths.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pmComments by Find Muck - Whats your point?
January 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pm#157 - Are you engaging in Bush-Orwellian speak now? I presume so.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmThe way to even begin thinking about solving the problem is to fire the commander in chief who has repeatedly demonstrated such a break with reality that he’s totally incapable of coming up with any form of resolution to the mess he’s gotten us into in Iraq
I understand what you say but things are not so simple as that.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:14 pmThey have. Whom here has an idea, not put downs, to solve the problem of Iraq?
Comment by Zep Tepi
1. Pull out our troops immediately.
2. Apologize to the people of Iraq.
3. Impeach and imprison George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, et al
4. Set aside a certain amount of money to help Iraq rebuild itself — with oversight.
5. Re-instate our constitutional rights, and stop being so chickenshit.
That would be a good start.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:14 pmNo. Spudge_boy is right. None of their comments have been removed, just yours rachel.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:15 pmyep, zooey… and don’t forget - leave ALL the equipment behind for the iraqi’s to use to rebuild their country…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:17 pmwhat else?
#1 - McCain needs more cowbell.
Comment by AboveTheClouds
Frickin’ hilarious!
After 4 straight hours of Sociology work, your comment finally clunked into place. Nice one.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmJanuary 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Zooey:
After we we impeach and remove the neocon criminals from power, we may have to get in line for criminal prosecution….the international community may want to see them at the Hague…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:27 pmAfter we we impeach and remove the neocon criminals from power, we may have to get in line for criminal prosecution….the international community may want to see them at the Hague…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Works for me.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pmAnd I am still the prettiest tranny at the ball.
Comment by rachel j k
I’m sure you are.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pmMake it happen and I will go away.
Deal?
Comment by rachel j k
MA. Lmao
January 21st, 2007 at 7:38 pmOK, folks…
By now, it’s fairly obvious to most of us when ‘rachel’ posts, regardless of the pseudonym do jour.
It’s also fairly obvious that ‘rachel’s’ only purpose here is to attempt to derail the discussion with her infantile blather, in order to become the center of attention (regardless of whether that attention is positive or negative…it’s all the same to ‘rachel’).
With this in mind, I propose we just start treating rachel like what she is…a spoiled child who is acting out for attention. In short, we ignore her.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:38 pmJack. You. Ass.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pmWithin a month of our pullout, a strongman will take over, probably with an alliance of militia.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pmThe Shiites will allow the Sunni to leave, relocate in Syria, Jordan, etc.
They will form a strong alliance with Iran, bolstering Iranian influence in the area.
So what, big deal, let it rip.
You’re still nutty as a fruitcake, but that’s side-busting funny.
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
ah hahaha … so was that… heh…
January 21st, 2007 at 7:41 pmZooey,And I am still the prettiest tranny at the ball.
heh.Comment by rachel j k
The junkyard is full of used trannies.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmDidn’t Republicans have a scare tactic saying gas prices would rise if Democrats took power?
Gas prices fall nearly 14 cents in 2 weeks
January 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmThe junkyard is full of used trannies.
Comment by Zep Tepi
*snort*
January 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pm=)
January 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pmJack. You. Ass.
Comment by Zep Tepi
That one flew over my head… Whaaa?
January 21st, 2007 at 7:52 pmJack, the troll AKA dith.
January 21st, 2007 at 7:59 pm=)
January 21st, 2007 at 8:02 pmMcCain looked tired and deflated, and he had zero energy during the interview. Ted Kennedy, who is four years older, was far more effective in discussing the issues.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:04 pmAncient Romans found it easy to torture and inflict pain upon thier slaves because they believed slaves have no animus, or soul. I look into John McCain’s eyes and I can see his soul- or lack of it, rather. YUK! What a frigging mess! He has that same frightened animal look that George has in his. Hmmm…
January 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pmPOLITICS IS NOT SOMETHING I DARE TALK ABOUT IN
PUBLIC…. it is such a heated topic
- oh pledge alligance to the american flag with all the servants
- all corrupt…. enough to make you **** !!!
now…. is mccain serving the american people
or is this ALL gravy with icing on the cake for
all the cronies…..
will we EVER know the truth :) :( !!!!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:12 pmKane sez:
He’s probably running himself ragged trying to come up with a stand on the issue that kisses Chimpy’s ass and maintains some sort of nominal connection to reality.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:12 pmSomething similiar to what I was groaning the morning after an all night frat party and mouthed those semicoherent words face down on a strangers carpet.
Thrippmasher Munchkey…Thrippmasher Munchkey
lmao
Comment by rachel j k —
Yet you leave out what happened to you in your prone position, and thee words you uttered. You got screwed, enjoyed it physically and verbally, cried passionate ‘do me harder’ words,, and never knew it. And it happens to you nightly.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pm“into the middle of Iraq’s civil war”
What civil war? There’s no civil war!
January 21st, 2007 at 8:19 pmYou, Rachel, shall never sleep the same again.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:20 pmSorry if it offended you somehow.
Comment by rachel j k —
Your presence here is offensive.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmI had a 7 am class that morning and was still blitzed and barely able to stumble let alone drive.
It just brought back some good old memories everytime I say the word TripmasterMonkey is all.
I didnt mean anything derogatory in any sense of the word.
Sorry if it offended you somehow.
You drove drunk as Ted “breast stroke” Kennedy did?
I am not offended. Your hypocrisy is.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:36 pmNo Zepi Tepi,
You dont understand.
I had a 7 am class that morning and was still blitzed and barely able to stumble let alone drive.
Yet you did.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:37 pmHey guys, my clit is like an old gorilla’s knuckle!
Hard, boney, and all dried up.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pmrachel, you’re dumber than a bag of hair!
“buku” is actually spelled beaucoup, you f*cking bitch.
January 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pmI NEVER said I went to class.
YOU DID.
Please reread.
Comment by rachel j k
But what you posted says ‘class’
And that you drove drunk, urr blitzed as you say, to class?
Rachel, please, you fool no one but yourself.