CNN Debunks False Obama ‘Madrassa’ Smear
CNN Debunks False Obama ‘Madrassa’ Smear
Last week, Fox News and other Rupert Murdoch outlets amplified a right-wing report alleging that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child. One Fox News caller questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.” Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, “Well, we’ll see about that.”
Commenting on this report today, Wolf Blitzer said that CNN had done “what any serious news organization is supposed to do in this kind of a situation”: actually investigate and learn the facts. CNN’s Senior International Correspondent John Vause filed a report from Indonesia. Watch it:
In the report, Vause says, “I’ve been to those madrassas in Pakistan … this school is nothing like that.” He also interviews a classmate of Obama’s who says the school was not even strictly Muslim; it also taught Christian, Buddhist, and Confucian students.
CNN has more details HERE.
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Commenting on this report today, "Wolf Blitzer said that CNN had done “what any serious news organization is supposed to do in this kind of a situationâ€: actually investigate and learn the facts."
This is a good sign. This is the only real way to stop swiftboating -- reveal the facts immediately.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:24 pmCNN actually investigated a story? They didn't sit back and say things like, "What does it mean to America if Barack Obama attended a Madrassa School?"
Wow. About time...
Let's put this smear to bed.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:25 pmIf CNN is a "serious news organization", why do they continue to employ the likes of Beck?
Still, glad to see the story publicly debunked.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmWonder how long before CNN is labeled part of the vast left wing media? Oh wait...
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:32 pmCommenting on this report today, Wolf Blitzer said that CNN had done “what any serious news organization is supposed to do in this kind of a situationâ€: actually investigate and learn the facts.
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Fox News not only didn't do this, they apparently didn't make even a token effort to do this.
'Nuff said.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmCool, the gang used my "hot tip" I feel special.
I am glad that CNN did this. It is about time that the news organizations in the MSM started reporting on the truth instead of spin. Let's hope the trend continues.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmLet me see now.
Two weeks ago CNN was accused of smearing Obama and was heavily chastised here at TP.
Two weeks later TP has nothing but glowing revies about CNN.
I can clearly see the double standard here.
And the credibility quotient of TP is astounding.
As in... IN THE CRAPPER.
I have said this many times on TP.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmIt is all form and zero substance here at TP.
Yesterday, a right wing, racist acquaintence of mine tried to parrot both the "Hussein" and the "madrassa" slanders against Barack Obama (using the madrassa claim only after the disingeniousness of the Hussein ploy was exposed). I trashed his sorry ass.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmFunny how the source (The right wing cult that is the Moonies) wasn't enough of a Red Flag. Also having FOX report that it came from Hilary Rodham Clinton made it more appealing. 'Reporting' these days is almost amazing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 pmWhy n earth would Fox News or other right wing organizations care about what really happend or what the school is really lie? It will only interfere with their message.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:35 pmWhile I am no fan of Blitzer, I will give him credit for this one. This is the work of a journalist -- investigate and report. Something anathema to Fox.
As for CNN's employing Beck -- that is pandering to the least common denominator at its worst. Beck is disgusting, and a representative of the same sort of irresponsible broadcasting that we see on Fox -- but because his show isn't called "news" - it only appears on a 24/7 NEWS channel ! - I suppose they believe that gives them license to smear and slander.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmOrange roughy, I can see you're having a little trouble with this. Let me walk you throught it: 2 weeks ago TP criticized CNN for something bad. Today, TP is praising CNN for something good. See how it works? Bad - criticize; Good - praise.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:39 pmBut all this doesn't matter. You know how it works, the claim is made loudly, the retraction is made silently. Unless, the retraction in this case is made much more loudly than the claim, it will be a typical Republican/Democrat debate that gets nowhere. (eg: any debate involving Clinton.)
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:39 pmCan you point to which adjective or adverb is "glowing"?
The point is: It is about friggin' time the truth was reported by the MSM.
There is nothing glowing about it.
How is it that you have said this many times on TP, when we have never seen your name before?
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:43 pmThe front page of the CNN web site and being mentioned on Wolfies show isn't that silent. It is medium level. : )
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:45 pmThanks to Bluedog49 for pointing out the obvious to orange roughy. OR uses Bush thinking: have the same exact opinion day after day, regardless of changing circumstances. Brilliant.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmMadrasa in Arabic language is simply a school,any school called Madrasa. It does not have to be a religious school....in Hebrew Madrasha is areligious and theological school.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/madrasah. Madrasah used by many countries some are not Moslems like in India..
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:49 pmGlad you noticed, Mara. Thanks!
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmWhen did CNN become a serious news organization? I must have missed that... I'm still missing it.
While I'm glad they're debunking the lies, I still wish that the fact that someone had a muslim education wasn't ammo for smear.
Americans are friggin stupid.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:56 pmWonder how long before CNN is labeled part of the vast left wing media? Oh wait…
Comment by Krazny — January 22, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
My O'Reilly watching conservative brother calls them Communist News Network.
Needless to say, we don't discuss politics much... Not because we disagree, but because he gets pissed off when he runs out of Hannity talking points for me to debunk... LOL
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:58 pmi suppose there is some good reason why obama himself had no public reaction or statement about this... i wrote and begged him to please not pull a "kerry", to push back against this slur...
so glad to see at least CNN doing the job it's supposesd to do...
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmmore, please...
Comment by orange roughy — January 22, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
I hope that's not an indication of how you smell...
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:01 pmAs of right now, when I want the closest thing to the truth from the MSM, I watch MSNBC. When I feel like being lied to, I watch Fox. CNN lies somewhere in between them.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmroughy -
OMG you mean TP was upset about an inaccurate story and pleased with an accurate story. That makes you upset. That sounds like the definition of credibility.
Your definition of credibility is to support a news outlet even if they are wrong all the time. It sounds like you're losing credibility by the second.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmGee...how the worm turns when the people revolt agains the corporate corrupt mainstream media, isn't it? The problem is that CNN and certainly FAUX News has been spinning the truth for years. The people are sick and tired of being spun around by slobbering sycophantic media whores!
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:06 pmFox can't play the race card to attack Obama, so they play the next best, the Muslim card.
But it won't be long before they have to play the race card. And they'll try to finesse it along the affirmative action lines. Try to show he's discriminatory against whites. Just wait.
I don't care much for Obama. He doesn't stand for anything. He's like Clinton. Spends precious minutes on air saying things like "... I plan to talk with lots of people..." oh sorry, Hilary said that today.
In fact I havent' heard Obama say anything.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:07 pmDoes this mean MSM is finally waking up and bitch-slapping swiftboaters? One can only hope so.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:14 pmI can clearly see the double standard here.
Comment by orange roughy — January 22, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
A bizarrely illogical misapplication of the concept of a double standard. How can a double standard be applied to a single entity, in this case CNN?
Pathetic.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:15 pmOrange roughy, I can see you’re having a little trouble with this. Let me walk you throught it: 2 weeks ago TP criticized CNN for something bad. Today, TP is praising CNN for something good. See how it works? Bad - criticize; Good - praise.
Comment by Bluedog49
I have said it before, and I'll say it once again: Bluedog is wise.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:15 pmFox News showed a terrible lapse of journalistic standards with the Obama "madrassa" story. If FOX wants to be taken seriously they will have to start producing forged documents to back up their stories. Hey, it worked for Dan Rather!
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmKasalari says As of right now, when I want the closest thing to the truth from the MSM, I watch MSNBC.
There's many sources closer to the truth than MSNBC. Try alternative media on the radio or internet if you want the truth.
In fact, it isn't their lack of closeness to the truth on the stories they choose to report about that's the problem. It's all the stories they leave out and fail to report on that is the biggest problem.
MSNBC is no better than CNN. And both are only a bit worse than FOX.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmTHey are all in competition for most failed news source. They have all failed the American people to the point of criminality.
#26: Actually, his primary interest seems to be with socioeconomic issues. He's released a lot of statements about supporting hte poor and underpriveleged. Additionally, he's a self-made man. He didn't use daddy's money to propel himself to where he is. He started out middle class, and worked to improve his life.
I'm very pleased that Obama appears to be on the ballot on my first time voting. Obama as the president of my generation will hopefully be a good one-month-late 18th birthday present.
Needless to say, but I'll spell it out regardless - Obama has my vote and confidence. His name and his race mean nothing, his background does.
And while I'm an atheist, I don't expect any atheist presidents to step up anytime soon, so Obama is the next best thing. I'll wait a few years before I start adding 'Religion' as a presidential consideration.
Vote Obama '08. If only to provide this aspiring collegiate a good birthday gift.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmXbot
The problem is Obama, like Clinton, doesn't speak specifically and concretely on the issues regarding what he plans to do about anything. It's all vague statements trying to sound reasonable and good without offending anyone.
That's what we need.
We need people willing to take a stand on very serious issues. Not waffling positions that say nothing.
It's great to be for poor people. But what does that mean concretely. What will he DO. The Democrats can't think they can get away with saying nothing except platitudes. It's too late for that. There's too many very serious problems.
John Edwards has been more concrete and specific than Obama.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWow a six year old child becomming a terrorist just by attending a "madrasa"... twenty or thirty years ago nonetheless...how freaking paranoid and delusional can Fox News be!!!
Its easy to understand that they are talking to their lunkhead and gullible "base" but really now.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:21 pm#34 - Fox cultivates the hate vote.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pm#7 orange roughy
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:27 pmAre you having trouble with praising someone for doing right, and criticizing the same person for doing wrong? Do you simply assume that the person is always to be praised or always to be criticized no matter what? Do you pay a lot of attention to O'?Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh et al. and you mistakenly believe that is the correct way to judge what people say and do?
Excellent work by CNN. They deserve credit for shedding light on this anonymous smear pushed by The Washington Times and Fox News too.
Bravo Blitzer!
-GSD
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:37 pmNothing is more useful in a "democracy" for the ruling class than the fear of common people.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:41 pmsorry, but cnn has much to atone for. keep in mind that jeff greenfield gave this whole smear campaign one of the first big-ass kickoffs. greenfield legitimized this shit.
and now, obama has to have the capital hill police watching for stalkers.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmPlease address your comments to:
Info@insightmag.com
have fun, don't be too mean.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmJuan C.: The ruling class should be in fear of common people. They got the money, but we got the numbers. We're taking over. Karl Marx said it -only workers in a worker's state.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmSo...the Muslim school teaches science, and honours the religious teachings of both Christians and Muslims.
Sounds a lot more progressive and enlightened than schools in Kansas.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:53 pmMany years ago came across a study showing that as one moves left to right on the political scale there is a corresponding drop in IQ. I think orange-roughy is a good example of this. Notice how often when one of these right-wing visitors drops off a few observations they seem to show a spectacular inability use reason or logic.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe '08 Presidential Campaign is going to be a nightmare for the Republican smear machines. With nine Democrats and nine Republicans with their hats in the ring already, those machines are going to have to work non-stop. That leaves a lot of room for errors and opportunity to be caught red handed in smearing.
The greatest part of me is happy to see so many Democrats running, giving at least a chance of spirited debate and informed choice to voters. However, a small part of me would like to see a backroom deal among all these Democrats to form themselves into a campaign of President, Vice President, and complete cabinet as a united barrage against the fractured Republicans.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pmHasn't there been more of a campaign with Fox talking about one news item - Osama bin laden and showing Obama's picture on the screen? And I think I also read somewhere they were also talking of a sex predator and they showed Obama's image as well.
This item is only the first I am sure that many will have to debunk.
And for those claiming he hasn't said much.... has he declared yet that he is actually running? I don't think so, so how can you expect what he will do when he hasn't declared yet?
Does Obama have any less global or intellectual knowledge of world affairs than George Bush had when he entered office or in effect, has now?
I don't think Bush had been out of the country until he became President. He also didn't even know some of the other countries' leaders. I know he didn't know my Prime Minister's name at the time. So how can anyone claim he is too inexperienced in world affairs to be President knowing who is in office now?
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:08 pm#43 syvanen
You have certainly proved your point on one end of the continuum. On the farthest right end you find DUHbya with an IQ less than his shoe size. And on the left you haven't erred too far when you post on TP.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 pm#45 canadianvisitor
You need to understand a little of American History. It makes little difference if Fox juxtapositions Osama and Obama in the minds of Americans. The true Americans understand the level to which Fox news and the Neocons will grovel and the Red Necks (an American Idiom meaning those with big hats and no cattle, or big buns and little weenies, or big trucks but no brakes) (If you guys try you can probably do better!)can't tell them apart.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:18 pmWhen will Rupert Murdock and everything he owns be declared an illegal, unregistered 527 group? He is a shill for a facist corpocracy run by Repugniscums!!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:24 pmCNN never smeared Obama being indoctrinated a Muslim as a child in Indonesia. It was FOX News whores and GOP swiftboat agents who smeared Obama with that charge, then they tried to claim Hillary Clinton did it, but now CNN has exposed their smear as fraud. FOX corporation must be shut down and Rupert Murdoch sued so badly that he flees back to his homeland Australia.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:24 pmI wrote about Barack Obama's ties to Islam about a week earlier than it broke out in that http://www.insightmag.com site. I see that most of the naive people that are commenting here want to just dismiss it as if it were nothing. The CNN report above is absolutely stupid. It makes perfect common sense that if Barack's father was Muslim, and then his step-father was also Muslim that Barack himself was educated in Islamic teachings. You can check out my report here http://www.mittromneyin2008.com
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:24 pmYou can check out my report here http://www.mittromneyin2008.com
Comment by eric
Linking to that website speaks volumes about you, eric.
On topic: SO?
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmIt makes perfect common sense that if Barack’s father was Muslim, and then his step-father was also Muslim that Barack himself was educated in Islamic teachings.
Comment by eric — January 22, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
It's not about what "makes perfect sense" -it's about what it is. And it is not a "radical Islamic Madrassa that teaches Wahabbism", it's a public secular school. Plus Obama is a Christian.
Insight Magazine's so-called scoop is nonsense, has been debunked, and you have no leg to stand on. FoxNews' parroting of the story, without bothering to do a minimal research, was deeply irresponsible.
Finally, there is nothing wrong with Islamic teachings. Or they are as wrong as the Chistian, Jewish, Buddhist teachings. Take your pick.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:45 pmoh my god, eric!!! that's so awsome!!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmdid insight give you credit for all your hard work and fact finding ability?!?!
wow... that means you are almost famous!!!
and here you are at ThinkProgress to tell us all about it!!!
that is so impressive!!! i feel like i'm talking to a rock star or something!!!
oh. my. gawd!!!!!
Sure, smear the muslims and post all that shite on the website of a man who is a member of a 150 year old manufactured personality cult.....
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmThe dishonesty of the Fox Propaganda Network...
...should be the impetus...
...for the people to demand that the FCC yank their license...
...their blatant lies and outright propagandizing...
...make them FAR more obscene...
...than Janet Jackson's breasts...
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmOh, and eric,
your little opinion piece is a huge pile of rubbish. Among the "sins" of Sen Obama you list that his last name "rhymes with Osama" -are you usually this childish, or did you make a special effort when writting that idiocy?
His middle name is "Hussein"!? The horror! Did you really expect a newborn to pick his middle name? Just so you know: He was named after his father, who was also called "Hussein".
Your ethymology of the names "Barack" and "Obama" are doubtful -where did you get your degree in Arabic studies? Finally, no matter how much you bloviate, Sen Obama's ancestry is African: His late father was from Kenya -which is, you know, in Africa.
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by eric #50
eric,
...take your dishonest, racist, intellectually, morally, and socially RETARDED ass...
...to the Fox Propaganda website...
...your kind are over there...
...dumb a*S al Crackkker Bushite...
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmGregor - you mean Obama's black? Jesus H Christ and his chariot - that's a double whammy!
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:14 pm/sarcasm
"In fact I havent’ heard Obama say anything."-ChildrenofLir #26
You're lazy, ChildrenofLir. Read his damn books. Listen to his speeches; don't paraphrase Hillary Clinton and attribute it to Obama.
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmThe Democrats are IDIOTS, because the people pushing for Hillary and Obama are Republicans!
The last 3 Democratic presidents were southern white men, for those of us who recognized the pattern.
Many Hillary and Obama voters in the Democratic primaries will be Republicans to ensure that Edwards loses and cannot run in the general!
They know both the out front and the under cover racists, will never vote for a woman or a black, ensuring a Republican victory, because if this were not true, Harold Ford would be senator, and there would be no need for affirmative action!
If the Democrats were not idiots, they would all meet in a back room and agree on Edwards as the 2008 presidential candidate and Feingold/Kucinich/Biden/Byah/Richardson as the vice president candidate and have all the other Democrats drop out the race.
Now instead of wasting their war chests fighting each other in the primaries and giving ammunition to the Republicans for the general election, they could start hitting the Republicans early and hard with the attack ads.
I how I wish Hillary and Obama's could put aside their own egos and do what is best for the country, and that is getting a Democratic president to go with the Democratic Congress, to fix the MESS left after 8 years of Bush!
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmDamn Criticalthinker - looks like the South won the Civil War...?
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 pmBiden's a windbag - if you are going to crib other people's speeches - crib a successful one...
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pm"Two weeks ago CNN was accused of smearing Obama and was heavily chastised here at TP.
Two weeks later TP has nothing but glowing revies about CNN."
Yea, I have to agree, it's damning with faint praise to compliment a news agency for actually doing what it should have been doing all along.
I would bet FauxNews would get some compliments if it did the same!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmI like Richardson though - credible foreign policy man, Bayh is remarkable too in his achievements...just the Turtle ruminating. The Turtle is not American but as long as world affairs are held hostage to Americam domestic electoral politics then WTF? I shudder at how historians will look back on the squandered opportunities of the Cold War Dividend and how looking white and male and pious on TV decided the lives of billions...
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 pm[...] Yep, they actually sent a reporter to Indonesia and reported the truth, because unlike FOX, CNN considers itself a “serious news organization.” You can view the clip here. Permalink | Leave a Comment | RSS 2.0 6 Comments to “Wolf bitch-slaps Fox” [...]
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pm“Two weeks ago CNN was accused of smearing Obama and was heavily chastised here at TP"
As it turns out it was bad reporting, CNN was bold enough to admit it's mistake. The TP folks acknowledge what has transpired, medialogically, and hold no grudges against CNN. In fact they are more likely to watch CNN because of their correction. FOX news has yet to learn that the fairness in media is not an excuse to yell fire every time the theater grows dark.
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:57 pmGotta love these absurd efforts to Swiftboat people. And CNN really nailed them.
Look at the pictures, both archival and current.
1) Islamic madrassas are single sex...this is NOT a madrassa
2) The girls in madrassas would not wear shorts during schoolyard play...they would (if a Wahhabist madrassa) not play games at all, and if a more moderate sect be required to wear sweatpants.
3) Many, if not most, of the girls are not wearing headscarfs (jilbabs).
4) Few if any of the boys are wearing islamic skull caps or the loosely flowing tunic
5) The kids are in standard public school uniforms
6) At the time that Barrack was in Indonesia extremist madrassas were not only forbidden, but extremist Muslims were strongly suppressed.
I find it interesting that the folks who seem to behind this slander ~ and attacking Obama's beliefs because of his family and given names~ are associated with Cults of Personality themselves (on the one hand the Moonie followers of a man who asserts he is Jesus incarnate on the Earth; and on the other a man whose father was born in a polygynous Mormon colonia in Mexico).
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmGotta love these absurd efforts to Swiftboat people. And CNN really nailed them.
Look at the pictures, both archival and current.
1) Islamic madrassas are single sex...this is NOT a madrassa
2) The girls in madrassas would not wear shorts during schoolyard play...they would (if a Wahhabist madrassa) not play games at all, and if a more moderate sect be required to wear sweatpants.
3) Many, if not most, of the girls are not wearing headscarfs (jilbabs).
4) Few if any of the boys are wearing islamic skull caps or the loosely flowing tunic
5) The kids are in standard public school uniforms
6) At the time that Barrack was in Indonesia extremist madrassas were not only forbidden, but extremist Muslims were strongly suppressed.
I find it interesting that the folks who seem to behind this slander ~ and attacking Obama's beliefs because of his family and given names~ are associated with Cults of Personality themselves (on the one hand the Moonie followers of a man who asserts he is Jesus incarnate on the Earth; and on the other a man whose father was born in a polygynous Mormon colonia in Mexico).
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmThis guy doing the report probably belongs to CNN Internaional. The US CNN could learn a lot from them.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 pm(on the one hand the Moonie followers of a man who asserts he is Jesus incarnate on the Earth)
The media could as well label you Jesus, how so, critical ape, could you defend thyself against such beliefs?
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmI bestow upon thou, cinnamon ape, thy title Jesus. May ye wear ye thorny crown well, you deserve it.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmWill I have been refering to the FOX crowd as 'FOX FICTION' for a long time. They just proved it again. Good work fella's, why don't you just legaly change your name we all know you are not news but fiction. Only you have such poor plots, can't you come up with something catchy like the GOP you know "Group of Perverts"
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmSure is nice to be troll free.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmJTitor,
You tempt fate...
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmJTitor,
Heh.
I am still the prettiest tranny at the ball and dont you forget it mister!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmHot damn....toll free here too.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmOkay back on topic.
His goose, or in his case, his " madrassa yoke " is cooked.
He is cooked well done. Game over. Kaput. Vamoose.
He`ll wear his " madrassa yoke " for the rest of his days.
This story will only game momentum over time.
Maybe not yet. But in time you will see that it will come to fruition.
OsamaBama with his head hung in shame.
You with your look of a 4 year old child who woke up on Christmas morning only to find no presents under the tree!
We had Rozeanne, Rozeanna Danna on SNL.
Now we have Baraki *The Iraqi* Osama
And my personal favorite in honor of the old SNL shows.
Barak Barak OsamaBama
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmJTitor,
Heh.
I am still the prettiest tranny at the ball and dont you forget it mister!
Comment by JTitor
hey Rachel jacking my name again? Why don't you just be one person and debate the issues? Come in here with a point of view and prove your point if you have one?
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmWhat is it with CNN? Have they suddenly decided to start practicing actual investigative journalism? I almost feel like I've been a witness to a miraculous event.
If the start doing this as a regular thing, they might actually start attracting a viewing audience. People might even begin to see them as an alternative to FAUX, rather than as a cheap imitation.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmGood to see CNN acting like a news organization instead of chasing the Fox audience with Glenn Beck for once. I wonder how tense the campaign will have to get before one of these freaks can't contain themselves and calls him a n* on-air.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmJTitor,
Grrrr....
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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eh kapo?
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January 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmeh kapo?
His goose, or in his case, his " madrassa yoke " is cooked.
He is cooked well done. Game over. Kaput. Vamoose.
He`ll wear his " madrassa yoke " for the rest of his days.
This story will only game momentum over time.
Maybe not yet. But in time you will see that it will come to fruition.
OsamaBama with his head hung in shame.
You with your look of a 4 year old child who woke up on Christmas morning only to find no presents under the tree!
We had Rozeanne, Rozeanna Danna on SNL.
Now we have Baraki *The Iraqi* Osama
And my personal favorite in honor of the old SNL shows.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 pmCan we find any Fox News commentator quotes from when they chastized CBS and Dan Rather for reporting on Bush's military service papers? If they called for Rather's head for using what were probably accurate papers, shouldn't they be ousting someone from either FOX or Washington Times and crying for journalistic integrity?
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmHis goose, or in his case, his " madrassa yoke " is cooked.
He is cooked well done. Game over. Kaput. Vamoose.
He`ll wear his " madrassa yoke " for the rest of his days.
This story will only game momentum over time.
Maybe not yet. But in time you will see that it will come to fruition.
OsamaBama with his head hung in shame.
You with your look of a 4 year old child who woke up on Christmas morning only to find no presents under the tree!
We had Rozeanne, Rozeanna Danna on SNL.
Now we have Baraki *The Iraqi* OsamaBama
And my personal favorite in honor of the old SNL shows.
Barak Barak OsamaBama
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmHis goose, or in his case, his " madrassa yoke " is cooked.
He is cooked well done. Game over. Kaput. Vamoose.
He`ll wear his " madrassa yoke " for the rest of his days.
This story will only game momentum over time.
Maybe not yet. But in time you will see that it will come to fruition.
OsamaBama with his head hung in shame.
You with your look of a 4 year old child who woke up on Christmas morning only to find no presents under the tree!
We had Rozeanne, Rozeanna Danna on SNL.
Now we have Baraki *The Iraqi* OsamaBama
And my personal favorite in honor of the old SNL shows.
Barak Barak OsamaBama
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 pmSanto is back on TP? End of this thread anyways > lol.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 amSadly, only a very small percentage of Americans watch CNN and will see the rebuttal which Anderson Cooper also showed later today.
I had a vicious email from a fundie reich-winger this past weekend with all of these fake allegations. I am sure this vicious emailing has found its way into every Republican's email box by now and this story now has a life. Even worse they said Barack HUSSEIN Osama....err Obama only pretends to be a Christian to cover for the FACT that he belongs to a "terrorist sleeper cell".
I wrote this person back telling him that in 1967, there was no Islamic extremism in Indonesia other than rebel groups our CIA may have been supporting in a coup to get rid of the leftist, secularist President Sukarno, who was replaced by General Suharto, the "friend" of the U.S.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 amit is sickning the depts these right ring BIGOTS will stoop to. i belive this is a decent man whose parents were not afraid to educate his mind to what is out there in the real world, not in the fantasy world of the 50's these so called newscasters delude themselves with. we need foward thinking people be it liberal or conservative, that have a clue what the real world is like. i for one would be more comfortable with someone who is at least slightly knowledgeable of Islam and the feelings of the arabic people of the middle east. it seem to be the only way to understand and go foward in a peaceful co-excistance with those that have different ideas as us.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 amWhen he was six? Come on people. COME. ON. We are going to let Fox News direct us into a debate about just HOW extreme this particular 1st Grade class was? Have we not learned anything from the Swift Boats? Have we not?
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 amI agree with Uncle Ho that Karl Marx said, "Only workers in a workers state." That is what the U.S. needs to be is a workers and peasants republic and make all the rich CEO's and corporate bosses actually work.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 amI checked out a wikipedia article today about Senator Barack Obama. It does not say anything about him being a Muslim. In fact, it states that he attends Trinity United Church of Christ.
There is a saying about FOX News. It goes, "We fix the news the way we like it."
FOX News is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the right-wing anyway.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:59 amI wish that someday, the U.S. will have a person like Hugo Chavez to run the country.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 amBluedog49, you rock.
(Troll Who Must Not Be Named), I can see you’re having a little trouble with this. Let me walk you through it: 2 weeks ago TP criticized CNN for something bad. Today, TP is praising CNN for something good. See how it works? Bad - criticize; Good - praise.
Even morons and Neocons understand that! Although they will call the New York Times a left-wing rag when it criticizes them, yet they are but mad north-north-west; when the wind is southerly, they know a hawk from a handsaw... and therefore will quote the Times when it agrees with them.
On the other hand, Neocons always lie, so they are consistent! You can set your watch by it: if the Bush regime claims that something is UP, you can be sure it is actually DOWN. And if they swear the thing is DOWN, run and place your bets quickly, because you have an ironclad guarantee that in reality it is UP.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 amGrant, the CIA has supported rebel groups in many different countries as it saw fit. The rebels in Indonesia in 1967 was a perfect example. The CIA also supported the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan during the 1980's.
I will also say this, I bet the CIA was responsible for 9/11 because how could anyone go into an international airport with weapons on their person and then, get on an airplane? Any other time you would have been searched and your take on bags would have been checked.
The CIA is the biggest bunch of terrorists in the world. The CIA murdered President Patrice Lumumba of the Congo in 1961 and then murdered Che Guevara in 1967.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 amEric, you neocons are so ignorant. We do not need another neocon in the White House. We need someone who will lead this country forward and take care of its people.
We need someone who will not interfere in the internal affairs of other nations. The U.S. needs to leave Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Sudan and Venezuela alone. The U.S. needs to stop sending billions of dollars in military aid to Colombia and to stop supporting Israel.
What the U.S. needs to do is use the money that is spent on imperialism to be used for education, housing, jobs, food and healthcare. The money needs to be used to help the Katrina victims get back on their feet. The U.S. needs to talk directly to North Korea and restore all diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Mitt Romney will do none of this. I think he would be worse than Bush.
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:00 amorange roughy = Seixon
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:20 amTo circulate the truth, post this link and mail it out to as many sites and people as possible. It is the video of the CNN report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-kPCCog0BY&eurl=
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 amTo circulate the truth, post this link and send it to as many sites and people as possible. It is a link to the video of the CNN report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-kPCCog0BY&eurl=
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 amCNN's top reporter - Wolf Blitzer - came straight from AIPAC.
Given the control that AIPAC has over US policy, can't we conclude that he is more a mouth piece for Israeli policy than a serious NEWS anchor?
Israel's Hasbara program is specifically designed to ensure that no negative news stories pertaining to Israel reach the ears of Americans. Wolf is their shining accomplishment.
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 amMcCain Says Major Financiers Will Back His 2008 Bid
December 15, 2006
One of the most prominent on the list of finance committee co-chairmen is the head of the New York Stock Exchange, John Thain. Mr. Thain, whose title is CEO of NYSE Group, Inc., previously served as president and CEO of Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
A New Jersey-based investment banker deeply involved in fund-raising efforts for the 2004 Republican convention, Lewis Eisenberg, is signing on with Mr. McCain. Mr. Eisenberg is a former Goldman Sachs partner who served as chairman of the Port Authority board at the time of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
It was Eisenberg who passed the $15 billion Asbestos Liability represented by the Twin Towers onto Larry Silverstein, the man who confessed publicly to having Building 7 "PULLED" by explosives (despite the fact that no plane struck it) - and cashed-in on the insurance settlement.
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 amLieberman and McCain were the featured guests at the AEI event McCain spoke at.
They were also the featured guests at the recent JINSA Awards banquet held to honor McCain with their annual War Mongers Award (Scoop Jackson Award), given out annually to the American militarist who best serves the interests of Israel (last year it was General Peter Pace).
McCain / Lieberman is your future - and this will NOT be determined by your votes. This is preordained.
DO THE MATH
Possible McCain-Lieberman Alliance
Introducing McCain to a packed ball room of pro-Israel business executives, defense contractors, and Washington insiders, was Sen. Joseph Lieberman, fresh from being re-elected as an independent after losing the Democratic Party primary in Connecticut.
Lieberman's glowing tribute to his Republican colleague did not go unnoticed. "McCain-Lieberman? There's something to that," JINSA board member Morris J. Amitay told the crowd.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/6/111221.shtml?s=lh
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 amreports in the UK say the leak was from the Clintons
let me tell you about hilary Clinton
Meanwhile, as AIPAC and Israel pressure the U.S. government to force the Iran issue to the UN Security Council, Israel itself stands in violation of numerous UN resolutions dealing with the occupied territories of Palestine, including UN Resolution 1402, which in part calls on Israel to withdraw its military from all Palestinian cities at once.
AIPAC's hypocrisy is nauseating. The Goliath lobbying organization wants Iran to cease to procure nukes while the crimes of Israel continue to be ignored. So who is propping up AIPAC's hypocritical position? None other than Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 amAs one of the top Democratic recipients of pro-Israel funds for the 2006 election cycle, pocketing over $83,000, Clinton now has Iran in her cross hairs.
David, you're an ultra-biased leftwing hack. Hillary is behind this. Do some real digging and you'll discover that this is the case. You're a true amateur in every sense of the word.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 amIS SOMEONE AFRAID OF bARACK OBAMA?
ARE THEY SO AFRAID BECAUSE HE HAS A BRAIN THAT THINKS.
BECAUSE HE IS CONCERED ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR
PEOPLE?
GO BARACK, GO, GO. WE ARE ROUTING FOR YOU
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:44 amQuote:
War on Christmas is over.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back outside:
It's SWIFTBOAT SEASON.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:27 amMore proof that FOXNews is a government-run organization.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:28 amAn Obama for a Macacca.
Thats how the republicans are viewing this one.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 amThey are taking George Allens defeat very badly.
Virginia was supposed to be the last " bastion " of neoconlithics.
They lost it to Webb, and Allens gaff did not help him either.
Wolf Blitzer said that CNN had done “what any serious news organization is supposed to do in this kind of a situationâ€: actually investigate and learn the facts.â€
And then, of course, they put Glenn Beck on the air to continue peddling stupid lies. Because that's what "serious" news organizations do -- they find out the truth, and then figure out which audience demographic it is profitable to tell it to.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:35 amOnly a figurative whack to the side of the head will stop this kind of fabrication. If one of two things happen, it will make your head aspin to watch the backtracking: (a) Obama sues them and for a lot of money, (b) they start procedures to remove their licenses for broadcasting. Otherwise, get used to it and expect more.
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 amIs this part of the 'Fairness Doctrine'?
I'm glad you folks watch Fox so I don't have to!
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 amBlaming this smear on the Clintons? Hahaha that's very funny. Hillary doesn't need to smear Obama - she has well over a double digit lead on him when it comes to Democrats. Rethugs are trying their divide tactic but it's just a bag of gas.
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 amFinally, you guys are forced to talk about Obama, but what about his role as Del in the Crying Game?
January 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 amOlberman cleverly pointed out that a madrassa is a graduate college, and people attend after getting a 4 year college degree. The right wing nutjobs seem to think Obama was in graduate school at age 6. Could Barak Obama be the next Doogie Howser? And what would it mean to America? What will he type in his computer journal at the end of each show?
January 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 amI'm a freelance reporter based in Jakarta, and I gotta say this equating a Madrassa school with terrorism really makes my blood boil.
Even the caption under the video on this blog, which picks out the part of the report where a classmate "says the school wasn't even strictly Muslim" is upsetting - as though if it WERE strictly Muslim that would make Obama more suspect. The caller on FOX who wonders if Obama might think terrorists are not the enemy is clearly ignorant. That's troubling, but at least that person will probably never get a job in journalism.
And characterizing the headmaster as "bristling at the thought" of his school being labeled a Madrassa - though I can imagine he'd be peeved that FOX would get the facts wrong, I don't see him shivering with contempt at the word "Madrassa". They are respected as an education option here.
Say it with me, folks: a Madrassa is not a terrorism school. Nor is it a radical Islamic school.
What I hear in the CNN report is that they're buying in to the idea that Madrassa are hate camps. I see the comments on the blog going right along for the ride. Why is the allegation that he might have been exposed to Muslim ideas considered to be slander?
The CNN reporter even describes Madrassa as violence and hate breeding centers, though he qualifies it by saying "like the ones in Pakistan and Afghanistan". I don't think that was a responsible way to use the word. I appreciate the efforts to correct the record, but it'd be nice if they didn't totally miss the point by doing so.
The CNN reporter is right that the Madrassa which Obama attended is in an exclusive neighborhood and is what locals call an "International School", which are basically holding pens for the offspring of white people, diplomats, and Jakarta's elite. Now THAT sounds like a breeding ground for criminals and hate. At least it's not as elitist as say (bristle) Yale.
I visited a Madrassa for a report on US funding for education in Indonesia around the time Bush came to visit here. There had been a brief scandal when people first heard that US funding might be going toward Madrassa (and therefore funding terrorism training). The school I visited for the report had a serious shortage of books and desks, but they provide one of the best elementary educations a kid can get in Jakarta.
Say it with me again, folks: a Madrassa is not a terrorism school.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:32 pmNo, a madrassa is not a graduate school. Kids from preschool to high school age attend madrassa in Jakarta.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 pmFunny how you leave out that the news organization that original "broke" the story claims they got their info from the Hillary Clinton campaign who immediately blamed the right wing.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 pmThe Fox newsies used a banner headline beneath the story about Obama.
It read...."HILLARY OUTS OBAMA"
The reporting was done...with a minor mention that it might have been some Hillary Clinton operatives who put out the story, but that there was no confirmation of that.
Yet...there was the headline. To be seen on TV screens across America. Often, nowadays...you go to a bank...and there's Fox to watch while you're waiting. Here in Phx...at the waiting rooms of the Maricopa County offices...as well as the Phx city offices...there's Fox.
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 pmSo...even without the words...the lie gets great notice by captive audiences. OY.
When oh when will the presence of a giant news organization as a propaganda tool of the administration be investigated? There have GOT to be laws against that. And if there aren't...there should be!!!!
The word 'madrassa' or minor variations of it denote 'school' in Arabaic, Hebrew and Hindi (at least). Am not sure what word is used in Indonesia.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmIs this so called "message of the bush,". is this his last gasp or will he be in front of the camera in another 364.5 days?
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmI'm lookin for JUSTICE!
But we have the dems to lay down.
And why do the 29-1 % still watch fox? iT MUST BE THE PRESIDENTS CHANNEL.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pmLet me clarify that the Besuki Elementary school where Senator Barack Obama attended during his stay in Indonesia is no where close to a madrasah, it is a public elementary school attended by Indonesian children from all backgrounds.
I know this for a fact even more because my aunt was his classmate and she and my father lived right behind the school. It is located in the elite suburb of Menteng in the capital city of Jakarta.
Though the majority of the Indonesian population is Muslim, we do have public elementaries just like the US, and while we do have a religious class they do not teach them anything even close to extremism. And at that age, they most likely taught them the very general basics of Islam.
There are madrasahs in Indonesia but this elementary school is not one of them.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 pmWhen will Americans grow up? Why do we always want to believe the worst of people? It's time we start to be a little smarter and do our own homework. Why do we want to believe what the media tells us, as through their our only sort of information.
Trust me, Fox is the last news media I will ever listen too. I hope they always keep their narrow minded right wing audience.
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:59 pm#50: If you don't think backing Mitt Romney is dangerous to America you must not know much about what an obviously bogus religion Mormonism is, unless, of course you are Mormon and hoping for a world-wide Mormon theocracy. Do a little research, unless you've already swallowed the Joe Smith Flavor-Aid.
January 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 pmM. Bouffant
Anyone who actually wants to understand the confusion about the word "madrasa" can read this.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmHey folks. Not one person is talking about what Gibson said. He said it was disgusting that dirty tricks were being played. He said it was a dirty rumor that had been attributed to Hillary's people. But, unfortunately that's how politics is played in DC.
If you had actually heard it, you would say "Wow. That crazy Fox News guy is standing up for Obama!"
Not what you would expect from Fox News/Murdoch Inc. who are biiiiiggggg backers of Hillary!, huh?
January 24th, 2007 at 5:29 pmCNN IS STILL CLINTON NEWS NETWORK....THEY DIDNT MIND SHOWING AMERICANS BEING KILLED BY STIPERS
January 24th, 2007 at 6:55 pmSo did anybody catch the name of this CNN reporter that supposedly went to the schools?
January 24th, 2007 at 9:03 pm"So did anybody catch the name of this CNN reporter that supposedly went to the schools?"
Are you that daft? He said who it was in the first 4 seconds.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pm#129 - - - The name is John Vause(australian), by the way he reports from CNN International which is heck of a lot better AND far less biased than CNN
January 25th, 2007 at 6:55 pm"CNN IS STILL CLINTON NEWS NETWORK….THEY DIDNT MIND SHOWING AMERICANS BEING KILLED BY STIPERS"
Stipers? LOL.
Seriously, would Fox News, which is supposedly "fair and balanced", do something like CNN just did? Of course not, seeing as how they still won't let this issue go.
January 25th, 2007 at 8:45 pmWhat did you expect? Fox is "the aljazeera of the right".
January 29th, 2007 at 1:03 pmLIBERALS; please have an open mind. Conservative are afraid of change. 2 minorities are apply for the presidency. It's just fear.
Admited it , the "Muslim Manchurian Candidate" is a kinda hot.
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Fox angle is that THEY KNEW the story was not true.. and wont apologized
Obama real father is atheist. Now that's a story.
Obama may be an undercover atheist ? ........Jesus!
One nation under_____________ ( ???)
On a serious note: Pay your taxes , we have BIG war to pay for THANKS to a SMALL white lie...
January 29th, 2007 at 9:27 pmThe Obamas have gone to our church for the last 10+ years. My wife works for the church and we know that he and his wife contribute heavily to many Christian causes and shy away from any recognition. I voted for Bush in the last election but I have to say I'm appalled by the filth and lies being spread in todays politics.
February 15th, 2007 at 12:41 am[...] did, however, debunk a right-wing hit job on Obama when FOX News picked up a story from Washington Times-owned website, Insight. The story [...]
February 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pm[...] anyone accuses me of rampant paranoia, recently Fox News and their Republican masters attempted to smear Barack Obama with the madrassa lie and then blame the attack on Hillary Clinton. Perhaps this nut is trying to drum up a fight between [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 10:46 pmIf Indonesia and its schools are so different from these Islamic schools in Pakistan why are they burning Christian Churches and killing Christians there on a weekly or monthly basis?
It is really about the product of these schools not whether they wear western dress right? Obama is a product of these same Indonesian schools that produce people who persecute and murder Christians, and burn down their Churches. Don't believe me, do a search on your own!
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmC'mon...
I'm an Indonesian.
I've attended Indonesians schools.
I NEVER MURDERED ANY CHRISTIANS NOR BURNED DOWN ANY CHURCHES.
So... Am I a deviant? Am I a failure of Indonesian schools?
I DON'T THINK SO
February 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmObama freezes out FOX reporters, he is only following Hitlary Clinton lead to make sure there is nobody to ask real questions. What a surprise.
Fox host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudis†& “teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us,†then declared, “The big question is, was that on the curriculum back then?†Later, a caller asked," Does Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.â€
Damn Good Question.
February 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmLee,
If FOX "NEWS" knew how to ask real questions, Bush and Cheney would have been running for cover years ago. Could you be any more openly insulting and sophomoric with the "Hitlary" Clinton line? If you knew jack about history you could see a lot more parallels between the current administration and the Nazis. It sounds like something you picked up from Limbaugh, who seems to have a pathological issue with Ms. Clinton. Here's a hint about Rush: try not to listen to drug addicts, even if they are on national media. They're just not reliable sources of facts.
As for this whole question of whether or not Islam hates us, I'd just like to point out that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all suppossedly worship the same God, and all of them have parts of their respective scriptures that allow violent nutbars to terrorize and kill in the name of said God. Basically, all the major religions can be used to justify depraved and savage behavior, if that's the way you want to interpret them. So, if you're a REAL American, and believe in the separation of Church and State, any of the Big Three Religions will have at least a few followers that do indeed hate you for it. Many of said nutbars are in the process of attempting to take over the country.
It's really all about what people do with their religion, not which religion they follow. At least I haven't heard anything from Obama that sounds like the typical Neo-CON lunacy about having a Crusade, or being elected by God, or some such BS.
On the other hand, I suspect that Obama doesn't consider terrorists the real enemy, or he wouldn't be in Washington in the first place. That place is crawling with terrorists, the kind that kill half a million innocents based on a lie, and then try to justify it. The kind that smile and nod when their worst members kidnap and secretly imprison and torture people. The kind that look at poverty and suffering, and laugh their asses off.
-And as far as I'm concerned, I'll consider all the Presidential candidates part of the same terrorist organization until I start hearing one of them screaming the "I"-word at the top of their lungs. You know: "Impeachment".
February 24th, 2007 at 12:03 amBluedog49, orange roughy, big papa, pingback, and others: My first time here-I'm a Libertarian, and just had to comment. Anyone who doesn't see that CNN does the same on the left that Fox is said to do on the right has their head buried in their rear. Wolf Blitzer has no more credibility than Brian Kilmeade. Need proof? Remember the Bush-Gore debates? Bush said something about how young people think they're invincible, and think they don't need insurance. Wolfie was interviewing members of the audience after the candidates spoke, and the first woman he gave the mike to said she'd "never vote for Bush because he said young people don't need insurance." Blitzer said nothing, letting her comment stand-obviously he liked the impression it left with the viewers. The woman can be excused-she was obviously just completely ignorant, but Blitzer is supposed to be a professional. LOL Here at TP, it seems if news outlets slant things your way, they're news outlets, otherwise the full force of the govt should be used to shut them down. Anybody see "War Stories" with Oliver North tonite? It was all about the heroic and courageous service of African Americans in the military. That's the "racist" Fox news channel for you.
February 26th, 2007 at 5:37 amIt amazes me that Americans are so memeory deficiant that they don't know that our beloved Democrat, Roosevelt in the 30's was sending money hand over fist to Hitler. Just incase you don't remember, take a guess, who was responsible for the IRS' initiation, Dem or Rep. You might be surprised. Look it up folks.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:59 pmAs individuals of the United States of America, we spend too much time in trying to criticize people about their religion, ethnicity, etc; when really why does it matters what school one goes too, what the color of one skin may be. We need to stop always trying to down people for where they come from or what they look like, and start trying to accept those for who they are. What does it matter if he went to a Madrass School or not.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:26 pmSo you are the one that watches MSNBC. You have made my day, I've been wondering what kind of person you were.
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:11 pmBoy, I don't get it. Fox news seams to be the only news outlet that gives both side to stories. CNN and all the major news outlets only give the liberal agenda with no other viewpoints. I like to hear all sides and develop my opinions from there.
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm[...] Stewart weighs in on FOX’s Obama smear. CNN debunked the story of FOX’s claims. On a side note, the “Sloppy Cronkite” was one of the funniest [...]
March 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pm[...] possible to tear them down… but this is just getting pathetic. We’ve had the “Obama’s a trained terrorist out to destroy America” scandal freakout. That tanked nearly as soon as it happened. We’ve had the hyped [...]
March 7th, 2007 at 3:03 pm[...] pictured: FOX News’ madrassa hit job on Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) and laying it at the doorstep of Senator Hillary [...]
March 12th, 2007 at 1:45 am[...] 2. "CNN Debunks False Obama 'Madrassa' Smear," ThinkProgress.org, January 22, 2007 Think Progress » CNN Debunks False Obama ‘Madrassa’ Smear 3. "Obama's Grudge Factor," Washingtonpost.com, January 30, 2007 Obama's Grudge Factor - [...]
March 12th, 2007 at 7:14 am[...] has gotten more coverage during the past month: the phony story about Barack Obama attending a radical Islamist madrassa, or the very real stories of McCain and [...]
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