Gay marriage ban dropped.
By on Jan 22nd, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Gay marriage ban dropped.
Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO) and Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO), the two leading advocates of amending the US Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, “say they have no plans to make a third try to advance the proposal.” “If we thought there was a decent chance to bring it to the floor for debate, I would, but with the new Congress, I’m not sure we will ever have that opportunity,” Allard says.
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In the future, their attitudes will be as taboo as a constitutional amendment to prevent interracial marriages.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmWish someone would drop a 2-ton heavy thing on these two bassackward idiots.
(sadly admitting they’re from my state)
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm“If we thought there was a decent chance to bring it to the floor for debate, I would, but with the new Congress, I’m not sure we will ever have that opportunity,†Allard says.
They were traveling down a road of hate and bigotry and slammed into a wall of understanding and acceptance. Too bad they blame the wall and not the path they were on.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:24 pmYou got that right. No more religious rubber stamp for you. Now we will do the bidding of the people.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:26 pmDont worry, senators. You still have the MSM.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmNicely said.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmDick Cheney’s daughter and the bush twins will be happy now
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:28 pmYes, intolerance has no place in the “new Congress”.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:29 pm#2 – Get em in a roadrunner cartoon??
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:29 pmThese two clowns should try peddling their crap over in Afghanistan. I hear the Taliban likes to dictate what people do in their private lives too.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmwell put dlet.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmAhh, all it takes is a couple of snowstorms and Marilyn wants to broaden her options for finding someone to cuddle up with…
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:41 pmYou got that right. No more religious rubber stamp for you. Now we will do the bidding of the people.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Remember, in the midterms 9 states voted on gay marriage amendments. 8 said no. I guess that tells you what “the people” think.
My PERSONAL opinion: Who cares what people do in their own bedrooms.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmsounds like pimps complaining to the police they bought. “we would but since it wont get out of the first committee, we will just talk about so our hard core pornography clients (churches) will throw us a bone for our legal defense fund”
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmShoo shoo away with you now. Make haste.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pm#13 – “Remember, in the midterms 9 states voted on gay marriage amendments. 8 said no. I guess that tells you what “the people†think.”
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
I wonder what the numbers would have been if they allowed a vote on outlawing slavery in 1860. I’m sure we could have avoided a civil war, but that would also mean that slavery would still be legal.
If the so-called “religious” voter wanted to save marriage, just outlaw divorce! Straight marriage is only in danger from multiple divorce’s, not by extending marriage to include non-traditional options.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:56 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how the Republican mindset simply has to hate and discriminate against everybody who does not look like them, act like them or believe in the same things that they believe in.
How does this “country of immigrants”, this much touted “melting pot”, end up with a political party like that?
Simply boggles the mind.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmGood. As a heterosexual, I made a fearful mockery of marriage.
People need to learn to mind their own business.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:59 pmBigots never win. Except for the fact that all Musgrave ran on was bigotry and she got reelcted by a decent margin… Thankfully they can’t legislate their hate in the 110th. Even though the state has been turning blue, there are a lot of very red parts of Colorado.
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:59 pmRemember, in the midterms 9 states voted on gay marriage amendments. 8 said no. I guess that tells you what “the people†think.
Comment by hacker bob
Just because 8 states chose to regress themselves does not mean the majority of “the people” in the US think that way. There are 42 others by last count.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmReligious and hypocritical seem inextricably one viewpoint for those on the right…
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmThe FBI has become too political. Everything seems to be filter through a political prism.
The FBI has now been criticized for their inaction in the Foley scandal, and rightly so.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16756038/
Compare and contrast that with how they zealously pursued every rumor about the Clinton’s while they were in office. The FBI has basically become the law enforcement arm of the Republican Party.
Is it time for the FBI Director to be selected by a bi-partisan Commission set up for the purpose of vetting potential candidates that then are submitted to the President where he/she can select from the list but only from the list. Since the days of Watergate we have witnessed one Director after another that lacked independent judgement and ended up being an embarrassement to the department. (L. Patrick Grey even destroyed evidence by dumping it in the Potomic River.) Even the mishandling of 9/11 related data from the field offices in both Minneapolis and Phoenix are
entwined in the political takeover of the FBI directorship.
After 35 years of failure Isn’t it about time to fix the problem?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmhacker bob,
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmIt seems that 13 states have constitutional bans on same sex marriage. That’s more than I thought. A very good summary state by state is found here.
Does anyone remember when it was taboo in this country to discuss or judge one for their race, creed, and sexual preference?? Was it that far in the dark ages or are these numbnuts in Congress just lost in the that era themselves? This type of “group think” regresses mankind and certainly this country back to the Dark Ages!
Whatever happened to the Preamble to the Constitution which read” and all men are created equal…..???????? This doesn’t mean that some are created equal and others are not. The longer the GOP spews their bigoted drivel, the more regressed we as a country become….it’s time to oust all rethugs from holding public office if they can’t seem to understand that the constitution and the preamble are still the moral high road for the majority of people in this country.
Rethugs are passe and soon will become totally irrelevant.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmIf I went to the RNC and had them vote on banning gay marriage, it would pass. If you go to a red state and ask them to ban gay marriage, it will pass. If you put that same vote on a national scale, where there are 72% liberals and moderates, it will not pass. Using a bunch of bigoted red states as an example is not good debating.
I am glad to see that you can let people live their lives and be happy with whatever choice they make.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:16 pm#1. “In the future, their attitudes will be as taboo as a constitutional amendment to prevent interracial marriages.”
I agree.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:16 pmI live in amsterdam now. Granted we have our issues but generally people just except each other- and it works. As a gay jewish american i feel plenty safe that way.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:17 pmdlet,
Thanks for the link. I was about to try the number of states myself when I saw your post.
I remember when Oklahoma had it on the ballot. I voted against the amendment.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd, while we’re at it #23 and discussing how the FBI checked every nook & cranny of the Clinton era, I wonder why they’re not doing the same to see where Dubya’s hanging his stones these days??? Could it be that he’s so undesirable that no human other than pathetic Laura would want him? Of course, they’re two peas in a pod with her “expunged” vehicular homicide and druggie days so it makes sense that two sociopaths would fine comfort in each other….even Barney – poor dog! He doesn’t have a choice or I’m sure he’d leave home, too.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm#28 – The “righteous right” will never wake up because it would mean that they’d see their own level of hypocrisy in it all…..just like Dubya….it’s a form of madness….in this case, religious zealotism or fanaticism.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 pmBesides, the Thugs tried to use this as a hot ticket item before the election in the mid-terms (bringing out a dead horse which turned out to be their Trojan Horse) and it backfired in their faces.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:21 pmSpudge_Boy
As I have said here in the past, it should be a NATIONAL issue as it carries NATIONAL implications. Things like Insurance, Contracts, health care, etc. In short, to ensure couples have EQUAL rights nation wide it needs to be a national issue, not a states issue.
Using a bunch of bigoted red states as an example is not good debating.
Using a fact, even one you audience does not like is the essence of debating.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:24 pmHacker bob,
I am doing too many things at once today. The last link was to an article from 2004. On wikipedia it says that 26 states as of now have a constitutional amendmant stating that marriage is between a man and a woman.
anyway you slice it, it’s a lot of states. Too bad they vote out of fear of the different. in my opinion anyway.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:25 pmUsing a fact, even one you audience does not like is the essence of debating.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
robert is that you?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmThe ban on gay marriage was on Idaho’s ballot this time. I voted against the ban, and so did everyone I know (outside the rest of my family). It passed, of course, this is Idaho. It’s shameful.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:33 pmWhat people do in the privacy of their own homes is not the business of the state or federal government. I think that the Congress should focus on other important issues instead of same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage is not a threat to anyone else’s family values. Gays and Lesbians have as much right to marry as heterosexuals do.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:33 pmunbe,
Yes, me, live and in person. No bumps on the head or nothing.
dlet,
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 pmWow, thanks for the update. I had no idea it ewas so many states either. I guess according to some that would be 26 bigotted states. And yes, Spudge and dlet, that is a majority of the states (52%)
robert is that you?
Comment by unbelievable
I think he changed his secret identity after some loony was accusing him of hacking TP and other freebasing induced delusions.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:38 pmI think he changed his secret identity after some loony was accusing him of hacking TP and other freebasing induced delusions.
Comment by dlet
Yep, pretty much sums it up.
Catchy name, ain’t it?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:40 pmCatchy name, ain’t it?
Comment by hacker bob
I love it. I’m glad you changed it. :)
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:41 pmAnd yes, Spudge and dlet, that is a majority of the states (52%)
Comment by hacker bob
But three of those states afford the same legal rights to gays in civil unions as to “married” people. What ever the diffenece would be is a guess to me. So let’s just say its 50-50. Kinda like the odds of the “surge” being successful.
Also some of these states are being challenged in court.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 pmlet’s just say its 50-50. Kinda like the odds of the “surge†being successful.
You are an optimist about the surge!
Zooey, you make me blush ;)
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:48 pmYep. It sure would.
Now, have 26 states banned gay marriage or have they defined marriage as being between a man and a woman or have they just had it on their ballot?
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmYou are an optimist about the surge!
Comment by hacker bob
Oh no. I was just paraphrasing a general’s(?) remarks from a couple of days ago. It wasn’t exactly an optimistic outlook. For myself I think the surge is a George Bush slam dunk. Meaning it has no chance of success.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:53 pmveritas. #24. I don’t agree with you often, but I have to agree with you here, that the Republican view on this issue is a ‘dark age’ mindset. It is one of a few areas I part ways with the Republican party. It is bigoted. And worse, when those that represent the viewpoint (Haggard, Foley, etc) are turned out as closeted homosexual. Hypicritical. All men (and women, for that matter) are created equal, and that, I’m sorry to say, is something many of my Republican friends, do not understand.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:59 pmSpudge,
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:02 pmFrom what I am finding out 26 states state explicitly ban the recognition of same sex marriage by saying that marriage is betwen a man and a woman.
Catchy name, ain’t it?
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
That’s what I thought – plus it sounded like you.
Just wanted to make sure.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmZooey, you make me blush ;)
Comment by hacker bob
Mission Accomplished!
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:05 pmUh oh, there are two Republicans on this site that OPPOSE banning gay marriage. There goes the arguement that all Repubs are bigots. Now you have to say MOST Repubs are bigots.
Unbe,
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmIs that a good or bad thing?
Mission Accomplished!
Comment by Zooey
So, you are saying you failed in your objective?
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:11 pmThese days, genuine ethics and morals are deteriorating from our society because of people like you (democrats). Go ahead, pat yourself on the back, because you’ll burn in hell for your unrighteous decisions. For the homosexuals, per the bible, your actions aren’t right. I don’t believe in gay rights because you don’t have any rights at all. I will send an email to my Senator/Congressman requesting that they propose a bill to ban gay marriage. Don’t forget democrats, I have Jesus on my side to complete this mission.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:13 pmIs that a good or bad thing?
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Neither I suppose. Wasn’t judgment – just asking…
Funny name change considering the dreaded troll who accused you of that…
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmSo, you are saying you failed in your objective?
Comment by hacker bob
Sir! My objective was to make a United States Marine blush. I have achieved my objective. Sir!
Oy.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmDaryll,
Do you believe in divorce for heterosexual couples who are married?
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:20 pmI wear the name as a badge of honor and distinction. Besides that, it really pi$$es that troll off that it doesn’t bother me. Kind of an “In your f-ing face” thing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:20 pmDon’t forget democrats, I have Jesus on my side to complete this mission.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Because that’s done so much good for molested children, cancer patients and starving people in Africa?
Stop relying on the ideals of dead people to judge others. It’s the religious right that is the cause of ethical deterioration in this country (percentage-wise, there are more Christians in prison, and the Republican Party, than non-Christians).
Shoo fly.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:22 pmUh oh, there are two Republicans on this site that OPPOSE banning gay marriage. There goes the arguement that all Repubs are bigots. Now you have to say MOST Repubs are bigots.
Unbe,
Is that a good or bad thing?
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
They’re not conservatives. A true conservative would value morals. Man taking another man’s pants down to pleasure him through his rectum is not moral. A women fulfilling another woman’s pleasure by inserting a dildo is not moral. That’s the reason why man and woman were created, to fufil their physical/mental pleasures and reproduce. I’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pmUh oh, there are two Republicans on this site that OPPOSE banning gay marriage. There goes the arguement that all Repubs are bigots. Now you have to say MOST Repubs are bigots.
Unbe,
Is that a good or bad thing?
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
They’re not conservatives. A true conservative would value morals. Man taking another man’s pants down to pleasure him through his rectum is not moral. A women fulfilling another woman’s pleasure by inserting a dildo is not moral. That’s the reason why man and woman were created, to fufil their physical/mental pleasures and reproduce. I’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pmDaryll. I’m asking this question, because I don’t know the answer. Jesus came to earth and taught people to live the right way to please God. His teachings are written in the Bible. It was he, Jesus, that the whole Christian church was founded on. Can you find one teaching or saying attributed to Christ, concerning homosexual behavior? If being a homosexual is as big an issue for God, as many Christians believe it is, wouldn’t Jesus have made a much bigger deal of it? Respectfully.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmI wear the name as a badge of honor and distinction. Besides that, it really pi$$es that troll off that it doesn’t bother me. Kind of an “In your f-ing face†thing.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Maybe I should try it myself… Apparently, it said it wants to marry me.
Scary.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmI’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Then obviously you failed 7th grade Science since there are species of animals that can change gender in times of necessity.
If gay were wrong, then they wouldn’t exist, silly ignorant boy who is afraid of his own shadow.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:29 pmThat’s the reason why man and woman were created, to fufil their physical/mental pleasures and reproduce. I’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
Comment by Daryll
Hey. They’re trying. So what if they only get it half “right” according to you. And if that is the reason why man is placed here then why are priests and nuns not allowed to fornicate? They can’t do either one of your qualifications. (No Foley jokes please)
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:30 pmDaryll,
Do you believe in divorce for heterosexual couples who are married?
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
No, I don’t believe in divorce because the bible forbids the act except for when the spouse physically views their mate committing adultery. Even then, you still can’t re-marry until your spouse has died. If you have divorced your spouse and have remarried, knowing that your spouse is still alive, you are an adulterer, and until you drop that individual, you will not inherit the kindom of god. For those that have been married two or more times, drop your mate or prepare for hell.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:31 pmI’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
Comment by Daryll
Not everyone wants children, Daryll. Should those people remain celibate?
You seem quite the expert, Daryll, tell me more about this gay sex…
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:33 pmDaryll makes a great argument for never marrying… LOL
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:33 pm#63,
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:36 pmI meant heterosexual couples that get a civil marriage. Sorry for the confusion. See church marriage offers no legal bindings. I am talking about State sanctioned marriage. Do you think that people can divorce in the eyes of the State? Didn’t mean to give you a rope to dangle your extremism from.
Daryll,
Can you give me the passage and verse where the Bibles say that abortion is wrong too?
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmDaryll. I’m asking this question, because I don’t know the answer. Jesus came to earth and taught people to live the right way to please God. His teachings are written in the Bible. It was he, Jesus, that the whole Christian church was founded on. Can you find one teaching or saying attributed to Christ, concerning homosexual behavior? If being a homosexual is as big an issue for God, as many Christians believe it is, wouldn’t Jesus have made a much bigger deal of it? Respectfully.
Comment by paul — January 22, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Read Leviticus 18:22, Judges 19:16, I Kings 14:24, I Kings 15: 11, Romans 1:22, Timothy 1:10 and I Corinthians 6:9. It’s plain as day. If the homosexuals refuse to cease their unrighteous acts, they will not be able to inherit the kindom of God. That includes you, too.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:39 pmDaryll,
Lets see if you understand this:
King James version
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Get it. What ever standard you use to judge people, YOU will be judged by. Unless you have lived a truely Sainted life, a life like the Biblical Jesus, you may concider tempering your fire and brimstone speach.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:39 pmHey. They’re trying. So what if they only get it half “right†according to you. And if that is the reason why man is placed here then why are priests and nuns not allowed to fornicate? They can’t do either one of your qualifications. (No Foley jokes please)
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Hey the bible the never stated that priests and nuns can’t marry. The despicable false phophet, the Pope, created that specific law. Why follow a lost man when you can follow the law of the land (bible).
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 pmIf the homosexuals refuse to cease their unrighteous acts, they will not be able to inherit the kindom of God.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Lucky them. According to you, your god is not someone worth hang around… jealous, spiteful, vengeful….
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 pmI believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work. [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Homos I am fighting for the Lord’s work. [Daryll, TP post, his own privateReichstag, 2007]
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:44 pmNot everyone wants children, Daryll. Should those people remain celibate?
You seem quite the expert, Daryll, tell me more about this gay sex…
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Zooey, they may not want children, but they must follow biblical standards. Homosexuality is condemned and no one is exempt from this law, including myself.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmI can not believe that these 2 do not have anything better to focus on. I am embarrassed that they are from Colorado. With so many pressing issues for our county this is how they want to spend their time.
Daryll….those that live in glass houses….I have met many “Christians” who are judgemental for various reasons…I often wonder why someone would have such disdain for a group of people…thou dost protest to much!!
By the way I am Christian and a DEMOCRAT and HAVE JESUS ON MY SIDE
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pm#63,
I meant heterosexual couples that get a civil marriage. Sorry for the confusion. See church marriage offers no legal bindings. I am talking about State sanctioned marriage. Do you think that people can divorce in the eyes of the State? Didn’t mean to give you a rope to dangle your extremism from.
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Dlet, no, marriage must be conducted before the eyes of God (Church). An unrighteous State marriage isn’t valid biblically.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pm….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings]
….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Homosexual. [Daryll, Mein Kampf, Part II, precisely echoing Pat Robertson's teachings]
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pmDaryll,
I’ll keep it simple.
Who is the final judge? a)Man or b) God.
Who Wrote the Bible?
a)Man or b)God.
Who decides if someone lived a moral life? a)Man or b)God.
If you chose a to any of these questions, YOU are the false prophet.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:49 pmLike rats fleeing a sinking ship. This ban is dead.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmHomosexuality is condemned and no one is exempt from this law, including myself.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
So you are gay and fighting it. Thought so. Explains why you are here pontificating.
Daryll, it is perfectly acceptable to be gay. There is no god to condemn to the pain you inflict upon yourself by denying who you are. Reject the religion, not yourself. It’s the right thing to do.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmJesus isn’t on anyone’s side. He’s dead. He died a long time ago and tried to teach people how to treat eachother in a good way. Nothing more, nothing less.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmIf you chose a to any of these questions, YOU are the false prophet.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
oops… gotta argue with you, bob…
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmMAN wrote the bible… and i’m no prophet at all…
Daryll,
Can you give me the passage and verse where the Bibles say that abortion is wrong too?
Comment by unbelievable — January 22, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
unbelievable, let us not be foolish, it’s one of the commandments (Thou shalt not kill). I never saw a preposition/exception used during that passage. So if you’re in DC causing traffic for people like me because you’re celebrating pro-abortion rights then you are wrong.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmDaryll,
Lets see if you understand this:
King James version
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Get it. What ever standard you use to judge people, YOU will be judged by. Unless you have lived a truely Sainted life, a life like the Biblical Jesus, you may concider tempering your fire and brimstone speach.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
You’re right, and I’m abiding by these laws. What about yourself? Have you followed Acts 2:38 for complete redemption of your soul?
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:55 pm(Thou shalt not kill). I never saw a preposition/exception used during that passage.
Comment by Daryll
So you are against the Iraq War, Afghan War and all wars….correct? No exceptions in the bible…..except all the wars and death and stonings and murder, etc.
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:55 pmkaty, sorry, got that one backwards. Should read
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Who wrote the Bible? a)God or b)Man
Daryll
Sorry, not a Baptist (occupation or Religously)
But you ARE judging where you ought not be. That is between people and their God, or No God. What ever their preference.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmThis is so fun, I’m learing more every minute. But I have to venture into the real world now. Ya’ll have fun!
Daryll, here’s an old saying I heard when I lived in the South, and I want you to think about it:
God don’t make no trash.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmI can not believe that these 2 do not have anything better to focus on. I am embarrassed that they are from Colorado. With so many pressing issues for our county this is how they want to spend their time.
Daryll….those that live in glass houses….I have met many “Christians†who are judgemental for various reasons…I often wonder why someone would have such disdain for a group of people…thou dost protest to much!!
By the way I am Christian and a DEMOCRAT and HAVE JESUS ON MY SIDE
Comment by JYD — January 22, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
JYD, I’m not judgemental, I’m telling you what the bible says. The bible also says, to the true followers, to be witnesses. That’s what I am. Also, you can’t be a Christian and a Democrat. Democrats (liberals) believe that you can commit every unrighteous deed without suffering the consequences. Jesus had conservative views.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmunbelievable, let us not be foolish, it’s one of the commandments (Thou shalt not kill).
It’s not foolish. The Bibles say all kinds of contradictory things. There are plenty of verses that support killing.
There are also verses that say that life begins at breath – therefore abortion is not killing. This commandment is not applicable since life begins at breath.
I never saw a preposition/exception used during that passage.
I agree. It says don’t kill. It doesn’t say don’t kill people. Therefore, you have to stop killing animals to eat. After all, like you said, it doesn’t offer any exceptions.
So if you’re in DC causing traffic for people like me because you’re celebrating pro-abortion rights then you are wrong.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You don’t determine what is right or wrong. It’s subjective. It’s also legal, and constitutional for me to do so. The Bibles are not my authority. I’m far more moral than that.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmSo if you’re in DC causing traffic for people like me because you’re celebrating pro-abortion rights then you are wrong.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
how about the traffic jams cause by the anti-choice crowd, eh?
don’t answer that… rhetorical question only…
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:03 pmkaty, sorry, got that one backwards. Should read
“Who wrote the Bible? a)God or b)Man
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
*yesssss!*
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm#63 – “For those that have been married two or more times, drop your mate or prepare for hell. ” Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Well, it looks like Daryll has just pronounced judgement on the majority of Republicans! When you compare Red versus Blue states, the majority of divorces occur in RED states!
I knew the Republicans were destined to burn in hell-fire for their hypocrisy! This just proves it! ;-)
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:06 pmHomosexuality is condemned and no one is exempt from this law, including myself.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
So you are gay and fighting it. Thought so. Explains why you are here pontificating.
Daryll, it is perfectly acceptable to be gay. There is no god to condemn to the pain you inflict upon yourself by denying who you are. Reject the religion, not yourself. It’s the right thing to do.
Comment by unbelievable — January 22, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
I think not, as stated previously, I will being getting married to a wonderful and holy woman next month. I don’t condone homosexuality and neither should you. I will never reject holiness, but I will reject unrighteousness.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:06 pm#92 – “but we will not allow unrighteousness in our society.” Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
And yet it is the REPUBLICAN’S that have introduced the culture of corruption that was permeating throughout the halls of congress.
I guess that means you’re not Republican, Daryll, or else you have a very disturbing double standard.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmJesus isn’t on anyone’s side. He’s dead. He died a long time ago and tried to teach people how to treat eachother in a good way. Nothing more, nothing less.
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Dlet, wrong, wrong, wrong. He’s still alive in spirit. If you’ll cease your unrighteous ways and follow Acts 2:38, then you’ll understand that he’s alive and well.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:09 pmJesus had conservative views.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Not a chance.
Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23]
Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39]
So in everything, do to others as
you would have them do to you.[Matthew 7:12.]
If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess
and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. [Matthew 19:21]
If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on
the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11]
http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:09 pmIf you chose a to any of these questions, YOU are the false prophet.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
oops… gotta argue with you, bob…
MAN wrote the bible… and i’m no prophet at all…
Comment by katy — January 22, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Katy, wrong, Jesus used his disciples to record his words. These aren’t normal men like you and I, they were considered worthy by God.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:10 pm#95 – “but I will reject unrighteousness. ”
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
But you haven’t, Daryll! You continue to stand up for the unrighteous Republicans in Congress and the White House!
Until you wake up to your tacit support of unrighteousness, you will remain a hypocrite. That is something that jesus taught as one of the worst sins, to lie to yourself.
The truth will set you free when you realize the Republicans are responsible for the most hypocritical rule in history!
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:11 pmAn unrighteous State marriage isn’t valid biblically.
Comment by Daryll
So?
WHO GIVES A RAT’S ASS?
RELIGION IS A FARCE.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:12 pmSo you are against the Iraq War, Afghan War and all wars….correct? No exceptions in the bible…..except all the wars and death and stonings and murder, etc.
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Yes, Jesus said vengeance is mine, not mankind.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:13 pm#99 – So, Lott was a “upright, holy man” when he escaped the destruction of Sodom for not treating visitors by the laws of God.
Lott was SO holy that he was able to sleep with his own daughters and still was considered a holy man.
I think you have a very disturbing idea of what is “holy”, Daryll. I would consider someone who slept with his own daughters to be less-than-holy, but you holy-rollers make your own double standards, don’t you?
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:14 pmI think not, as stated previously, I will being getting married to a wonderful and holy woman next month.
I have gay friends who were married to women. It didn’t change the fact that they were gay.
I don’t condone homosexuality and neither should you.
You don’t condone yourself? Sad. It’s okay to be gay – you were born that way. Your brain is just more like a woman’s (since all life starts out female) and evolves over 9 months into a full-term fetus. It’s not your fault you like men.
I will never reject holiness, but I will reject unrighteousness.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
It’s all judgment on subjective issues. You’re just choosing to follow the writings of some heat-stroked desert dwellers who you have never met because you’re too scared to think for yourself and admit that you are gay. I hope you find the strength before you ruin that poor woman’s life and your own.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:14 pm#102 – “Jesus said vengeance is mine, not mankind.”
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Ahh, so you say it’s wrong for us to claim vengance in the “war on terrra”.
And here I thought you supported the Republican war for oil. Why do you hate America, Daryll?
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pmI don’t believe in gay rights because you don’t have any rights at all.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
I have no idea what rights you are referring to, but the US constitution also applies to homosexuals.
There is no constitutional amendment stating gay people have no rights
I have Jesus on my side to complete this mission.
Every other hater, warmonger in history claimed to have God/Jesus on their side. That includes Osama Bin Laden, and David Koresh. How you do you know he is actually on your side?
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:17 pmthey were considered worthy by God.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Prove it and prove this god (without the Bibles as I do not believe the Bibles were divinely inspired since those who wrote them said they went into the desert without water – for days before they began to write. Hell, Daryll, that’s called hallucinating)
Besides, if it truly were one Bible, you’d be reading it in Aramaic… But even you Christians can’t agree on what it says and there are atleast 32 different versions.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pm#99 – So, Lott was a “upright, holy man†when he escaped the destruction of Sodom for not treating visitors by the laws of God.
Lott was SO holy that he was able to sleep with his own daughters and still was considered a holy man.
I think you have a very disturbing idea of what is “holyâ€, Daryll. I would consider someone who slept with his own daughters to be less-than-holy, but you holy-rollers make your own double standards, don’t you?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — January 22, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Democrat Soldier, unlike some of the corrupted Republicans, I’m a true conservative. Also, who are you to question Jesus Christ, and who he thought was worthy/not worthy?
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmAn unrighteous State marriage isn’t valid biblically.
Comment by Daryll
So?
WHO GIVES A RAT’S ASS?
RELIGION IS A FARCE.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 22, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
We’ll find out during the Rapture and Judgement Day.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:24 pm“I was an Atheist until I realized I was god”
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pm–bumpersticker
I think not, as stated previously, I will being getting married to a wonderful and holy woman next month.
Comment by Daryll
If you fill her with helium it should make the night more interesting….or so I heard.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pmI think not, as stated previously, I will being getting married to a wonderful and holy woman next month.
I have gay friends who were married to women. It didn’t change the fact that they were gay.
I don’t condone homosexuality and neither should you.
You don’t condone yourself? Sad. It’s okay to be gay – you were born that way. Your brain is just more like a woman’s (since all life starts out female) and evolves over 9 months into a full-term fetus. It’s not your fault you like men.
I will never reject holiness, but I will reject unrighteousness.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
It’s all judgment on subjective issues. You’re just choosing to follow the writings of some heat-stroked desert dwellers who you have never met because you’re too scared to think for yourself and admit that you are gay. I hope you find the strength before you ruin that poor woman’s life and your own.
Comment by unbelievable — January 22, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Believe what you will, but you will have to answer to our Father (Jesus). Also, no one can be born gay, it’s unnatural.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmWe’ll find out during the Rapture and Judgement Day.
Comment by Daryll
Your a rapturist…..hahahaha. No mention of that in the bible. How blasphemus.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmAlso, who are you to question Jesus Christ, and who he thought was worthy/not worthy?
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Also, who are you to assert Jesus Christ, and who he thought was worthy/not worthy?
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmToo bad there are so many people in this country that are worried about things that will never affect them in their lifetime.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 pmIt’sss the DARYLLLLLL SHOW !!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:30 pmI’ve never heard of two individuals from the indentical gender reproducing.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Not all heterosexual intercourse is for the explicit goal of reproducing, and not all heterosexual couples can reproduce either.
Should those be banned too?
unbelievable, let us not be foolish, it’s one of the commandments (Thou shalt not kill). I never saw a preposition/exception used during that passage.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Then I call BS and say you really haven’t read the Bible as you claim:
22 “If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21:22
Notice how “injury” here refers to the woman, not the aborted fetus. It also illlustrates how abortion is not akin to murder, even by biblical standards.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmBelieve what you will, but you will have to answer to our Father (Jesus). Also, no one can be born gay, it’s unnatural.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
I don’t ‘believe’… I either acceot or reject assertions based on their merit. So, if you want me to accept what you say, you first must demonstrate merit – not speculation or wishful thinking.
Of course people are born gay. After all, you were.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.â€
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pm—Stephen Roberts
Daryll, as a born again fundamentalist who cherry-picks biblical verses to fit your “lifestyle”, are you speaking in tongues yet?
RAPTURE? COOL, I LOVE SCI-FI STORIES!
THERE WILL BE NO “JUDGEMENT DAY”.
Only mankind snuffing his stupid, pathetic existence into oblivion.
But if you’d like to destroy the world by supporting Der Shrub in order to find out, I guess you’ll learn SOONER THAN LATER…
…dying, lying in a gutter, after all the killing, and you’ll be crying “My God, why have you forsaken me” to the chilling sounds of silence.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmWhy would you split this up into three versus? I don’t mean you specifically, but you in the Greek sense of the word. Is that so that the zealots can interpret it how ever they want? Freakin whackos.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhy would you split this up into three versus?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — January 22, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
I believe the original was supposed to rhyme.
Although I agree, it is convenient for those who want to cherry-pick what verses to follow and which ones to ignore. Much like our bible literalist, confused fiend.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:51 pmChris Rock was on target when he said the problem is not with gay or straight marraige; the problem is wirh marraige.having scaled these two types.With failure raes OF 2/3 this problem is with the instituion itself and one can mke no conclusions about same sex opposite sex unions.
I will say that as a lad who workred on a Colorado Cattle Ranch in the high country60 years age,and noted the use of sheep by the sheepherders. For geometry reasons abd others cattle were not considederd. It certainly terned me off animals. The gays were quiet and didn’t make a fuss. It was all done behind closed doors.
Ther other thing was that fed the livestock used the public lsnds for their personal use. To fatten up the caffle and to a lesser extent the the sheep. Edward Abbey rightfully called thr colorado rancher the greatest welfare cheat in the entire system and he included the urban areas . Not much has changed.
AS
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmDaryll. I disagree with you 100%. I’m not a Christian and I don’t fear a god that would make someone gay (no they don’t chose it, just like you didn’t chose to be straight) only to have them condemned; doesn’t make sense. But, I respect the fact that you are willing to enter this furball, when noone agrees with you. To answer my own question from #59, no Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality. But here is a link that argues why, although he didn’t say it, he still believed it was a sin. Again, I don’t believe it, but with your view on this issue, I figure you could use all the help you can get.
http://www.capalert.com/jesusneversaid.htm
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:59 pmDaryll. I disagree with you 100%. I’m not a Christian and I don’t fear a god that would make someone gay (no they don’t chose it, just like you didn’t chose to be straight) only to have them condemned; doesn’t make sense. But, I respect the fact that you are willing to enter this furball, when noone agrees with you. To answer my own question from #59, no Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality. But here is a link that argues why, although he didn’t say it, he still believed it was a sin. Again, I don’t believe it, but with your view on this issue, I figure you could use all the help you can get.
http://www.capalert.com/jesusneversaid.htm
Comment by paul — January 22, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
YOU DON’T COME OUT OF YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB GAY, IT’S A CHOICE. Did you have homosexual tendencies when you came out of your mothers womb, I think not. You can’t find anything to justify homosexuality. They/You must stop the unrighteousness or prepare yourself for hell. Per the scriptures, Jesus never condoned homosexuality.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:15 pmDems I have four good books for you to read before the end of the year. Here’s your syllabus: Answers to 200 of Life’s most probing questions (Author: Pat Robertson), The fall liberalism and the rise of common sense (Author: Pat Robetson), Americas date with destiny (Pat Robertson), the Bible (Author: Jesus). These books should broaden your mind biblically.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:19 pmWe must uphold biblical standards
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Which would include stoning adulterers to death, not wearing clothes made of two different fabrics, trial by ordeal (you have to read it: God causes unfaithful pregnant women to miscarry), slavery, and many other pleasant things….
“Biblical standards”?… we live in the 21st century now, Daryll…
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:22 pm“debunked daryll”
If you’re coming here to spew religious tripe, GET YER FACTS STRAIGHT!
Must suck to be debunked by a bunch of atheists…
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:23 pmYOU DON’T COME OUT OF YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB GAY, IT’S A CHOICE.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
PROVE IT!
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:23 pmthe Bible (Author: Jesus). These books should broaden your mind biblically.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I’ve read two versions of the Bibles. It’s why I am an Atheist.
I’d sooner poke out my own eyes than read anything by Pat Robertson. Then again, it might be worth a few laughs…
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:25 pmMust suck to be debunked by a bunch of atheists…
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 22, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
ROTFL…
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmIs gay sex okay if you don’t want to inherit the kingdom of god?
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmYOU DON’T COME OUT OF YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB GAY, IT’S A CHOICE.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
If god didn’t really want people to be gay, he wouldn’t give anyone the capacity to make that choice. I though he was omnipotent?
Did you have homosexual tendencies when you came out of your mothers womb, I think not.
Actually, homosexuality (or homosexual behavior) is common in nature.
Again, if god didn’t want homosexuals, he wouldn’t have created the capacity for that behavior in either people or animals.
Per the scriptures, Jesus never condoned homosexuality.
Per the scriptures, he didn’t condemn slavery either. Once more I’ll say: We are living in the 21st century now. You cannot base guidance for your day-to-day life on a book written over 2000 years ago.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmDaryll,
I have read the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Quran, and will start soon on the Vedas.
Try to keep up…
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:30 pmYou cannot base guidance for your day-to-day life on a book written over 2000 years ago.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 22, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
That sounds a lot like the philosophy of my school district… LOL
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:30 pmYOU DON’T COME OUT OF YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB GAY, IT’S A CHOICE.
I’d like to see some proof on that one, Daryll. Not from Pat Robertson or Focus on the Family, please.
Did you have homosexual tendencies when you came out of your mothers womb, I think not.
Comment by Daryll
Did you have heterosexual tendencies when you come out of your mother’s womb? I think not.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:32 pmGod, Daryll, who is your savior, Jesus, or Pat Robertson?
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 pmUsing the bible as the center of your argument means nothing. The bible was written by man, translated many times, with many errors, and edited to serve the purpose of the church. Besides, christianity was not the first religion. It was created by a bunch of guys that didn’t believe in the other existing religions, and wanted their own. So they took aspects of other religions, such as Zoroastrianism, and changed a few things. Then they took Yawei, the brother of the chief god of the time, and made him their god. They even gave Yawei his brother’s wife later. This Yawei is the basis of the God that you worship. Using this book as the focal point of your arguments is not a good idea.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:38 pmYOU DON’T COME OUT OF YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB GAY, IT’S A CHOICE.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
I didn’t come out of my mom’s womb loving girls either. Up to a point, I thought girls were icky, as do many boys.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:41 pmIf Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody…. This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God’s people will emerge victorious.
– Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson’s Perspective Oct-Nov 1992
If Pat was wrong about this, then why isn’t he wrong about homosexuality?
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:43 pmI think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe that I’m hearing from the Lord it’s going to be like a blowout election of 2004. It’s shaping up that way. The Lord has just blessed him…. I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn’t make any difference what he does, good or bad. God picks him up because he’s a man of prayer and God’s blessing him.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, , January 2, 2004
Also WRONG
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmIndividual Christians are the only ones really — and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office
I never said that in my life … I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:49 pm– Pat Robertson, Time magazine, after having been confronted regarding his statement on The 700 Club of January 11, 1985
That is the funniest fu*king thing I have read in a long time. I think coffee just came out my nose.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:51 pmThanks for the reading tip Daryll, I’ve learned that Pat Robertson doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about, and lies a lot.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmGregor,
Don’t forget the Apocrypha. You know the rest of the Christian bible that the Christians don’t want anybody to read? The books that were thrown out by Roman Emperor Constantine who rewrote the bible as a way to control people and started the ROMAN Catholic church.
Daryll is lost amongst people that have read and found these work of fiction to be just what they are. A set of guidelines for how to live life.
The main idea in all of the bibles is “Don’t be a dick” Which Daryll didn’t seem to figure out, because here he is, being a dick.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:01 pmWhat most people either don’t understand or choose to ignore is that the bible, taken as a whole, is a good guide in living your life. I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I do my best to follow them even though I am not a religious person. It’s just basic human decency.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:06 pmKasalari,
Exactly.
The bible is not a set of guidelines for control others, but it has been twisted over the centuries to be just that. It has been used too many times as a reason to start wars, just like Iraq.
All you have to do is read about the Crusades and you will see that is why we are in Iraq. The Crusades took part in all of the cities you here about on TV constantly. No wonder the Muslims hate Christians. The Crusaders even resorted to eating Muslims when they were out of supplies. Who are the barbarians?
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:11 pmDaryll How do you know Jesus was straight? Just because he spent some time around around Mary Magdeline; he spent lot more time around 12 men; they ate and slept together.
Consjdering the 12 commandments, allegedly written by God/Yaweh and given to Moses. As the distillate from an all powerfuf God highest thoughts which he is giving to man,they will be helpful for morality; all in all really good compass for man.Ars you ready?The first four are injunctionsand have mothing to do wirh morality.Failure to observe them is penalized by death`–by stoning.1st have no other Gods before me 2nd shall not make a craven image 3rd shall not take name of lord in vain–Do it under penalty of death,
Nos. 5 through to 9 ( 5=honor mother and fther 6 you shall not murder 7–you shall not commit adultery. 8–you shall not steal 9__you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor 10–You shall not covet your negfbor’swife,or his manservantöx or maidservant, or anything that is your neighbor.
But it is questionable how many people honored their parients or abstained from committing murder,adultery,theft, or perjury because of them, Admonishments ´like these are found in every culture throught recorded history.It’s nothing special about their being presented in the bible,
These are not the best that God could have done; maybe he was having trouble with some physical laws or Adam or more likely Eve
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmthe Jains their at best gave it to us in a sentence.Do notinjure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, or kill snx creatureor living being. What a concept, and how much better than the 10 commandents.The bible is in ne way clearer. From Sam Harris ‘Letter to a Christian Nation’
Don’t forget the Apocrypha.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — January 22, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
I ran into a huge pile of Apocripha at the Borders near my house the other day, in the discount section. They also had the American translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I was this close to buying them but they were not annotated versions…. oh, well….
The main idea in all of the bibles is “Don’t be a dick†Which Daryll didn’t seem to figure out, because here he is, being a dick.
That’s why not only Bible literalism is bad science but also bad theology: It ignores the message that the book is supposed to help spread. You know, be a good person, a good son, a good husband, respect your neighbor, be a responsible citizen, etc. All that, down the drain if you wear a two-fabric piece of garment. I guess it’s a matter of priorities…
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmGregor Samsa. You have reminded me I have a lot of reading to do on my to do list. #132 is right on the money.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmDon’t forget democrats, I have Jesus on my side to complete this mission.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Really? Did Jesus preach bigotry and hate? The answer, of course, is no, Jesus did not preach bigotry and hate. Hence, Daryll, you do not have Jesus on your side. If you want Jesus on your side, try a little “live and let live.” You’ll find it’s much easier than hating everyone and everything that you fear.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:37 pmNonsense. Giving aid to the poor, forbidding usury, loving your neighbors, “the rich man getting into heaven/camel through the eye of a needle,” etc, etc, etc. Hardly planks in a GOP platform.
I don’t recall JC advocating mass slaughter, tax cuts for the rich, or obeisance to the president. I do seem to recall a passage where he apparently admonishes slaves to obey their masters… Hmmm, always wondered about that one.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 pmA few questions for Daryll:
Who should a hermaphrodite be “allowed” to marry?
Did God make hermaphrodites, who are both male and female? Is it a mistake or part of his plan?
Should people who are infertile be “allowed” to marry?
Did God make them infertile or did they choose it?
And the big one: Jesus clearly stated that loving God and loving our neighbors form the basis of ALL the laws and commandments. So, how does being in a committed homosexual relationship violate these two “greatest commandments”?
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmDarryl: Also, you can’t be a Christian and a Democrat.
I guess my very spiritual pastor who has increased the membership at my church isn’t really a Christian after all. Sure had me fooled.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmPLC,
The term “hermaphrodite” is outdated. The updated term is intersex.
:-)
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:49 pmUnbelievable,
Those Pat Robertson quotes are pure gold. I love the “I never said that” denial the most ;-)
False prophets never cease to amaze me in their ability to deceive, fool people.
Paul,
Thanks for the compliment -even if you were “aiding and abetting” my opponent ;-)
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:53 pmZooey
“Intersex”? Sounds like the name for prostitution at truckstops!
Ah well, I tend to be a bit “outdated” myself.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 pmPLC,
Use “the Google,” it’s very interesting.
Truckstop prostitutes. Heh. I like how your mind works, PLC.
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pmZooey. hermaphrodite, intersex, whatever, just send them over to my place. :)
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 pmjust like you didn’t chose to be straight
I sincerely doubt Daryll is straight. If he has to actively decide he doesnt want to be attracted to men, hes not straight. Would explain why he cares also… Haggard was also a little overly concerned about homosexuality..
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pmThose Pat Robertson quotes are pure gold. I love the “I never said that†denial the most ;-)
It’s was Daryll’s suggestion to read some Pat ; )
I think these neocons forget that we write stuff down…
False prophets never cease to amaze me in their ability to deceive, fool people.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 22, 2007 @ 7:53
I think some people want to be fooled. And those of us who don’t, just take a good look around, at reality and our universe and see the truth… No, it’s not as dramatic or everlasting, but it is certainly less frustrating, miserable and lonely this way :)
One of my students asked me a question today that made me realize that he was looking for justification for his own realizations (I’m not vocal about my views, but I do drop hints for those who want them and need to feel like they aren’t alone in this obsessively religious community). In turn, it made me realize that you’ve really gotta want to be fooled to be able to ignore the blatantly obvious…
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmI would assume Allard and Musgrave have many more pressing issues, other than same-sex marriage, in their home state of Colorado. Like 100 feet of snow.
You can blame Allard’s and Musgrave’s same-sex marriage misfortunes on the WEATHER or the WEATHER, GIRLS, and these fundie, homophobes are seeking revenge.
Allard and Musgrave, at this very moment, are lobbying Colorado legislators to pass legislation specifiying that the WEATHER GIRLS’ song; ‘It’s RAINING Men’ can no longer be played on Colorado radio stations.
Allard and Musgrave insist that the title must be revised to: ‘It’s SNOWING Men.’ “It never rains in Colorado; it just snows, and snows, and snows, and snows, and snows, and snows. Take that, gays.”
Ted Haggard has avowed that he will personally protest any Colorado radio station that continues to play ‘It’s RAINING Men.’ “It’s RAINING Men’ made me gay. That song is just too danceable, fun, and lusty. Colorado radio stations must play ‘It’s SNOWING Men.”
John
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmWell, I’m going to weigh in briefly and then must leave…..Lot’s of great post’s BTW..First of all I have worked for Gay and Lesbian right’s for year’s, just like civil right’s…I believe every one should have the same right’s no matter their gender, sexual preferance or skin color…They should be allowed the very same right’s to taxation, marrage, divorce, voting and inheritance….
The bible was written by men, much like mother goose nursery rhime’s, long after the fact and little is written by Jesus, who by the way I believe was a great teacher like Buddah, Gandhi and other’s..But no more…The fact it was written by mean spirited clergy to control Pegan’s and take away their property and reduce women to servitude is well documented….Another BTW…Most of the present day christian holiday’s were stolen from the pagen’s…One last parting shot from this old woman……I think Jesus was black, probably jewish and more likely then not bysexual….Given the fact’s based on the christian bible, we are all from incestious relationship’s who care’s now…..In the beginning……Only Adam and Eve…and everyone from all the tribe’s came out of that….Think and worship as you choose or not and respect and honor your neighbor’s right to do the same, with out fear and bigotry….Blessings from your resident witch…..
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmZooey. hermaphrodite, intersex, whatever, just send them over to my place. :)
Comment by paul
**clearing throat**
Will do…
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 pmI forgot to praise the funnies, more bailey’s on keyboard….Thank’s Zooey….Blessings
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmSharon Cox. I’m on board with 99% of what you are saying in #162. What makes you think Jesus may have been bi-sexual?
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmPaul, Having read some of the times and people during that period uncluding bit’s of the bible it is just my opinion, also forgot to add he was probably very much like modern day hippies…..Free love, forgiveness, peace……We all have our own ideas and since we haven’t ventured to the other side yet who’s to say what is or is not true, no book by a single source carries my view’s and I don’t judge other’s harshley for their view’s either…Blessings
January 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmJohn Gilpins,
You’re so damned funny. Thanks for the laughs!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 pmBlessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
My thanks to you for your wisdom, great lady.
Peace.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 pmThink and worship as you choose or not and respect and honor your neighbor’s right to do the same, with out fear and bigotry….Blessings from your resident witch…..
Comment by Sharon Cox — January 22, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
some day – and now i have a reason to – i will make a trip to montana…
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmkaty,
You’ll never regret it. MT is beautiful country.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmZooey,
Thanks for the compliment.
I know Idaho is the ‘potatoe’ ( notice my Dan Quayle spelling ) state. but it now must have a lot more snow than potatooooeeees.
It even snowed in Tucson and Phoenix which is not all that common.
John
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 pmJohn,
I don’t know a damn thing about potatoes, and I want to keep it that way. :) No potatoes in my part of the state, but lots of snow! It’s all going to melt this week, due to our slightly higher than freezing temps.
My son said it snowed in Portland, OR, and it brought the entire city to a stand-still. Funny.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmSpring is almost here in Georgia, because all my daffodil bulbs have come up and the flowers already starting to open too.
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 amDaryll, I think you need to read the Bible again. There is nothing in the New Testament that condemns homosexuals. That part is in the Old Testament and that was written before Jesus was born.
Do you think Jesus wants to condemn people for who they are and then send them on down to eternal fire? I do not think so.
I believe that people are born with their sexual orientation. People are born gay. It is something that they cannot help.
Do you honestly think, Daryll, that people honeslty choose to be Gay? I do not think so.
You need to be more tolerant of other people’s differences. Gay people are not a threat to you or anyone else.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:44 amDaryll, I’m sorry, it’s too exhausting….The US doesn’t uphold biblical law, nor is the US founded on Christian principles. Until you realize that our founders were dietists and had a healthy skepticism and loathing for religion in general you will be left in ignorance and clouded by your own opinion, fear and convenient conviction.
Lastly, no one chooses to be gay Daryll. Who would choose to be ostracized by their families, society and the governement at large. Who would choose to be confused and conflicted and in fear of being called out, beaten up or killed? I submit they do not. See you in hell I guess. You’ll be there for your intolerance and hatred towards your fellow man under the “love thy neighbor as thyself” clause. I’ll be there for generally having no faith in religion as it’s the scourge of mankind and my belief that loving your fellowman, even the sinners is ok. Oh and my past pre marital relations.
January 23rd, 2007 at 1:35 pm