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]]> By: Austoon Daily » Harvard Scientists Say White House Distorted Their Research On Stem Cells http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1510913 Austoon Daily » Harvard Scientists Say White House Distorted Their Research On Stem Cells Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:17:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1510913 [...] We are surprised to see our work on reprogramming adult stem cells used to support arguments that research involving human embryonic stem cells is unnecessary. On the contrary, we assert that human embryonic stem cells hold great promise to find new treatments and cures for diseases. … [...] [...] We are surprised to see our work on reprogramming adult stem cells used to support arguments that research involving human embryonic stem cells is unnecessary. On the contrary, we assert that human embryonic stem cells hold great promise to find new treatments and cures for diseases. … [...]

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1507284 Evil Spaniard Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:49:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1507284 <em>Paul wrote: “…And Castro, who recently had three surgeries, flew in a surgeon from Spain, bypassing his own governmentally controlled heathcare. Federal funding in not the answer to effective healthcare”</em> In fact was a political move to give credibility to the Castro's recovery. No one would believe it if a series of cuban doctors said that Castro is in a healthy shape, but flying a doctor from a western country to confirm his recovery, they got some more credibility. And, the Cuban doctors are very good. You can find doctors by the dozen in Cuba. country which health system has specialized in exporting health care to other countries in South America, very often free of charge. And there are so many doctors in Cuba because health care is free and formation for doctors is very cheap. Simply, Castro decided that health care was a strategical sector in the cuban society long ago. Paul wrote:

“…And Castro, who recently had three surgeries, flew in a surgeon from Spain, bypassing his own governmentally controlled heathcare. Federal funding in not the answer to effective healthcare”

In fact was a political move to give credibility to the Castro’s recovery. No one would believe it if a series of cuban doctors said that Castro is in a healthy shape, but flying a doctor from a western country to confirm his recovery, they got some more credibility.

And, the Cuban doctors are very good. You can find doctors by the dozen in Cuba. country which health system has specialized in exporting health care to other countries in South America, very often free of charge.

And there are so many doctors in Cuba because health care is free and formation for doctors is very cheap. Simply, Castro decided that health care was a strategical sector in the cuban society long ago.

]]> By: Dumb Ass Christian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1506138 Dumb Ass Christian Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:52:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1506138 I'm a Christian. Like Bush, I don't believe in the science. It's witchcraft and scorcery, I tell you! Whenever someone gets really sick in my house, we just pray harder to Jesus. I know it didn't work for Mary and Stevie as they died, but I'm sure God has a plan for them which I am not allowed to understand. I’m a Christian. Like Bush, I don’t believe in the science. It’s witchcraft and scorcery, I tell you! Whenever someone gets really sick in my house, we just pray harder to Jesus. I know it didn’t work for Mary and Stevie as they died, but I’m sure God has a plan for them which I am not allowed to understand.

]]> By: Moderation http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1505588 Moderation Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:43:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1505588 <blockquote>If this statement is true, why does the research need federal funding. If it were true, why aren’t private interests lineing up for the research and developement, as in other industries (technology, genetics, medicine, etc). Comment by paul — January 22, 2007 @ 1:06 pm</blockquote> You really don't know? Why, it's simple. It is not in the best interest of the pharm community to find a cure to...well, anything, really. Anything that can delay the disease or condition, temporarily suppress the symptoms of the disease or condition, or otherwise offer a renewable prescribed medicines that (hopefully many) people need to survive. It <em><strong>is not</strong></em> the doctors themselves who are generally at fault here (though there are certainly a select percentage of douchebag doctors that are willing to look the other way if it means $$$). It is the pharm people. They are insidious, they will do anything to get doctors into their programs, prescribing their medications, etc. The doctors generally want to find a genuine cure. As do many of the <em><strong>researchers</strong></em> at pharm companies. It is the pricks who run the show, the execs, the salesmen, etc, who dick over the world, and do everything in their (lobbying and pocketbook) power to keep actual cures out of the market. This is one of many, many reasons why health care, more than virtually any industry, needs strong ties to amazing social programs. This is one of many, many reasons why we <em><strong>need</strong></em> universal health care. This is one of many, many reasons why lobbying with $$$ should be illegal, and carry with it strict and prolonged sentences if you are found bribing government officials and employees. There's the rub.

If this statement is true, why does the research need federal funding. If it were true, why aren’t private interests lineing up for the research and developement, as in other industries (technology, genetics, medicine, etc).

Comment by paul — January 22, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

You really don’t know? Why, it’s simple. It is not in the best interest of the pharm community to find a cure to…well, anything, really. Anything that can delay the disease or condition, temporarily suppress the symptoms of the disease or condition, or otherwise offer a renewable prescribed medicines that (hopefully many) people need to survive.

It is not the doctors themselves who are generally at fault here (though there are certainly a select percentage of douchebag doctors that are willing to look the other way if it means $$$). It is the pharm people. They are insidious, they will do anything to get doctors into their programs, prescribing their medications, etc. The doctors generally want to find a genuine cure. As do many of the researchers at pharm companies. It is the pricks who run the show, the execs, the salesmen, etc, who dick over the world, and do everything in their (lobbying and pocketbook) power to keep actual cures out of the market.

This is one of many, many reasons why health care, more than virtually any industry, needs strong ties to amazing social programs. This is one of many, many reasons why we need universal health care. This is one of many, many reasons why lobbying with $$$ should be illegal, and carry with it strict and prolonged sentences if you are found bribing government officials and employees.

There’s the rub.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1505256 Bluedog49 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:51:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1505256 Bush was allowed to enter Harvard Business School on a "legacy" after failing to get admission to University of Texas Law School. Can you imagine being a 17th legacy from Yale, having a father and grandfather in congress and NOT being admitted to U. of Tex Law School???!!! That's how incompetent George W. Bush is. Bush was allowed to enter Harvard Business School on a “legacy” after failing to get admission to University of Texas Law School. Can you imagine being a 17th legacy from Yale, having a father and grandfather in congress and NOT being admitted to U. of Tex Law School???!!! That’s how incompetent George W. Bush is.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1504775 Marie Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:46:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1504775 Sam Cooke sang of George Bush years ago... <em>Don't know much biology Don't know much about a science book </em> Sam Cooke sang of George Bush years ago…
Don’t know much biology
Don’t know much about a science book

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1504729 Marie Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:40:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1504729 My goodness, the White House has distorted reports to support their position? My, my. I never! Tsk. Tsk. I am so surprised -- there must be an explanation. After all, Bush attended Harvard. Why would he twist the results? Bush is such an honorable alumnus. My goodness, the White House has distorted reports to support their position? My, my. I never! Tsk. Tsk.
I am so surprised — there must be an explanation.
After all, Bush attended Harvard. Why would he twist the results? Bush is such an honorable alumnus.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1504072 katy Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:00:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1504072 <em>I like that one. Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:07 pm</em> hey, it takes all kinds... makes it interesting too... I like that one.
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:07 pm

hey, it takes all kinds…
makes it interesting too…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1504045 katy Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:58:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1504045 <em>I love you guys (not like bill and monica or george and barney)</em> hmmmm... that line sounds familiar... :-) <em>katy, If I do that upfront, it’s no fun..lol Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:06 pm</em> oh... one of those kind, eh? ... fun! I love you guys (not like bill and monica or george and barney)

hmmmm… that line sounds familiar… :-)

katy, If I do that upfront, it’s no fun..lol
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 4:06 pm

oh… one of those kind, eh? … fun!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1503708 Zooey Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:07:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1503708 <em>“devil’s advocate”… just sayin’… Comment by katy </em> I like that one. “devil’s advocate”…
just sayin’…
Comment by katy

I like that one.

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1503706 hacker bob Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:06:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1503706 Gregor and Spudge I love you guys (not like bill and monica or george and barney) katy, If I do that upfront, it's no fun..lol Gregor and Spudge
I love you guys (not like bill and monica or george and barney)

katy, If I do that upfront, it’s no fun..lol

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1503664 Gregor Samsa Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:01:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1503664 Bob, 'tis allright. No harm done. Peace. Bob,

’tis allright. No harm done.

Peace.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1503635 katy Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:57:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1503635 <em>Sorry about that. It was actually both. I am trying to understand the logic while taking an opposing side. I know it seemed a little trollish. Sorry. Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 3:30 pm</em> try tempering your tone and call it "devil's advocate"... just sayin'... Sorry about that. It was actually both. I am trying to understand the logic while taking an opposing side. I know it seemed a little trollish. Sorry.
Comment by hacker bob — January 22, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

try tempering your tone and call it “devil’s advocate”…
just sayin’…

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1503632 Spudge_Boy Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:56:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/harvard-embryonic-stem-cells/#comment-1503632 It's all good hacker bob. It’s all good hacker bob.

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