Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) recently warned that the Bush administration is building a case against Iran. “This whole concept of moving against Iran is bizarre,” he said. When Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) warned last week that President Bush does not have the authority to launch an attack against Iran without congressional approval, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino responded that she was “puzzled” because Reid seemed “to be fanning [the] flames where there’s no fire.”
That’s not the view of Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative proponent of the Iraq war. Speaking at a conference this weekend in Israel, Perle suggested Bush would attack Iran before he leaves office:
“Would this president do it? I think that until the day he leaves office, this is a president that, if he is told, ‘Mr. President, you are at the point of no return,’ I have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action.”
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“I’m not convinced that we have a lot of time. Given the peril that would result, its astonishing to me that we do not now have a serious political strategy with Iran,” he said, adding he thought regime change is “the only significant effective way” to deal with the Iranian threat.
“If we continue on our current course, we have only a military option. So what I’m urging, and this should have happened a very long time ago, is that we make a serious effort to work with the internal (Iranian) opposition,” Perle said.
Perle is reported to have once said, “The first time I met Bush 43 … two things became clear. One, he didn’t know very much. The other, that he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn’t know very much.”
LOL Perle is a criminal Neocon, so he wants Bush to attack Iran and ignite global WWIII > shame on him!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amArmageddon is right around the corner, folks. The neocons we’ve allowed to hijack this country will either rule the entire world with an iron fist, or destroy it in the attempt.
This is our fault, folks…make no mistake. We were the ones who allowed the neocons to blatantly steal not one, but two presidential elections. If you’re looking for the guilty party, you need only look into a mirror.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amTrying to make this a fait accompli by talking it up.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amWon’t work.
Impeach prior to bombing Iran.
Won’t somebody tell those AF pilots that obeying an illegal order is not something they are required to do???
Since military action is obviously not “necessary”, what does he want him to do? Negotiate?
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amPerle: Would this president do it? I think that until the day he leaves office, this is a president that, if he is told, ‘Mr. President, you are at the point of no return,’ I have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action.â€
Note the Key words. If he is told. Perle, thanks for admitting to the world what we suspected all along. President Bush is being told what to do. He’s not the decider, he’s the mouthpiece for the deciders.
Take a bow Perle for stepping forward as one of the deciders.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amWhat exactly do these neocons get out of igniting WWIII? Is money that more important than seeing your country prosper. I will never understand this war mongering mentality. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 amWhen Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) warned last week that President Bush does not have the authority to launch an attack against Iran without congressional approval, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino responded that she was “puzzled†because Reid seemed “to be fanning [the] flames where there’s no fire.â€
Well, Dana, maybe you should talk to Karl Rove and ask him why he was trying to get the UK press accustomed to the idea that attacking Iran was a foregone conclusion. Or, maybe you could just ask everyone in the White House to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths AND their asses at the same time.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amRUCerious sez:
This is exactly why the Founding Fathers gave the power to make war to Congress, rather than the President…specifically so a warlike Prez couldn’t unilaterally involve us in a war that the nation had to see through just to survive.
And now, it looks like that’s exactly Chimpy means to do. See why our Constitution is so important, kids?
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amThis more than sinister individual, with so many of his fellow neocons, like a leering mafia family fighting for “their territority” is ready to encourage those in power to hit, to hit, just as impotent men sometimes like to “watch” to get their kicks.
Send the children to do the job. What do you want to bet his feet are confortable in tailor-made shoes as he flits around the globe spewing his “back from the grave stories? Failed policies, lies, but hey, people are so gullibile, why not have another try?
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amHe for one has nothing to lose…neither life or limb.
Rumors are leaking out of the Pentagon that Bush plans on attacking Iran in February or March of this year, so the Congress better start the impeachment of Bush and Cheney immediately, or WWIII will happen!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 amWhat exactly do these neocons get out of igniting WWIII? Is money that more important than seeing your country prosper. I will never understand this war mongering mentality. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing.
Comment by dlet — January 22, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Territory, Resources & Genocide of their enemies, all for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 amSection 8. The Congress shall have power to …
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Bush may be the CinC, but Congress clearly is granted the powers above, and Bush may usurp them under penalty of impeachment.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amWant to know the real deal?
read this:
http://thebloodreport.blogspot.com/2006/10/heinz-kissinger-still-acting-as-white.html
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 amSome wanna kill Muslims others don’t . Stop the charade, please.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 amThis statement is very telling:
Perle is reported to have once said, “The first time I met Bush 43 … two things became clear. One, he didn’t know very much. The other, that he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn’t know very much.â€
Yes, Perle is a slimy worm, and I don’t know what his intent is, but I take what he’s saying as a serious warning.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 amRUCerious
The most relevant parts of Section 8 IMO:
regulation of the land and naval forces
Congress has the power and responsibility to oversee the use of military.
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 amCongress has the power and responsibility to declare war and order the President as Commander In Chief to execute the foreign policies of the Congress. The Commander In Chief is limited to the “how”, not the “when” or “why” of military action. The Commander In Chief does not have the power to “legislate” from the White House.
“Would this president do it? I think that until the day he leaves office, this is a president that, if he is told, ‘Mr. President, you are at the point of no return,’ I have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action.â€
Another thought. What Perle is saying is that this President is so dumb that if someone tells him he is at a “point of no return” he believes it.
No questions, just jump in the saddle, forme the posse and GO!
Unfortunatly that may be true!
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 am21. And that is the moment when Perle saw the avenue to the PNAC dream. Use the halfwit shrub to do their bidding.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 amWhat exactly do these neocons get out of igniting WWIII? Is money that more important than seeing your country prosper. I will never understand this war mongering mentality. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing.
Comment by dlet
Nothing? Yeah, nothing for the poor, but for the obsencely rich, they grow richer, and they become more stronger, like WWI & WWII left the major players and war profiteers satanically rich. The poor victims are always the military, and the poor civilians. Millions of people have to go, because some nuts like Cheney want to see the digits inside their bank account climb to heaven. & Thanks to the media, Iran our new Middle East Nazi state, while Mr. Butcher here doesn’t even believe in his own advisers and country men opinion, we have alot of papers telling us he’s smart!
The rich have alot to benefit from WWIII. Like Baron Rotschild says, “When there’s blood on the street, buy properties….” These guys don’t give a darn whose blood it is, so far its not theirs.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 amPLC – Agreed in toto.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 amPLC – Oh yeah, and BTW, Congress does not have the authority to transfer those powers to the executive.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amAnd that is the moment when Perle saw the avenue to the PNAC dream. Use the halfwit shrub to do their bidding.
Comment by hellinabucket
Absolutely.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amDruthers – Yes, Bush would be the dumb mofo who would
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 amGo back and get a shitload of dimes!
I would imagine Bush would authorize unnecessary military action against Iran a well.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 amRUCerious
And if the President tries to take those powers, Congress has the obligation to reign him in with legislation including resolutions, limits of financial appropriations, and impeachment if necessary.
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amI asked, and will ask again:
ARE ANY OF YOU PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS?
Do you REALLY want to make a difference, or just complain?
MARCH ON WASHINGTON
JANUARY 27TH
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January 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 am#33 PLC – Agreed. An obligation to not sit and pass meaningless resolutions… No, don’t, bad Cinc!
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 amI don’t know what his intent is, but I take what he’s saying as a serious warning.
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2007 @
You don’t know what his intent is?
How can that be? They might as well have hired a sky writer and rented every billboard in the US to alert you of their AGENDA.
“Eretz Israel”
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 amOn Perle’s use of the phrase “Point of no return”, this is from Wikipedia:
“The phrase can also be used to mean inevitable disaster.”
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 amace,
I meant that I didn’t know if Perle was trying instigate an invasion into Iran, or warning us about Chimpy’s determination to invade Iran. It looked like it could be read both ways.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 amPerle is just assuring the Israelis that their efforts to influence American foreign policy is on course. The pupit will play their game for them.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 amThis guy and guys like him really kill me. They’ve never picked up a m-16 rifle or ever been shot at, but they are the first to want to start a war. I’ve heard of fathers living their dreams through their sons, but I think idiots like Perle fighting was to become fake heros is ridiculous. If he and the other fools who started the Iraq war had even been shot at, they’d realize that war is no cartoon, people don’t get up after being killed. If their children had to go without arms and legs for the rest of their lives from age 19, they wouldn’t be so quick to start a war.
If they really want to be so tough why don’t they get the congress to pass a law that allows dueling. I can’t guanrantee you wouldn’t see Perle dueling anyone because he’s a coward. Most cowards are very brave until the you know what hits the fan. The neo-cons are a group of Viet Nam dodging cowards who want a chance to prove how brave they are now that they can fight with someone elses blood.
Let me get this straight. We are already in two wars that we haven’t won and Perle and the other idiots want to start another one. I must be dreaming, say it aint so. I’d like Mr. Perle to come up with a way to get us out the mess he got us into in Iraq first. If I remember that old chinese proverb correctly, it said: Never get hinny into fight, you can’t get hinny out of. Or was it: Only a fool start fight with another country if you are already in fight. Or maybe it was: Fool who rushes into burning house blindly, get stuck because he cannot see way out. Or maybe it was: Bully get Azz kicked if he start fight he can’t win.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 amInterrupt China’s energy dealings with Iran and watch the world go to hell in a basket. Forcibly take out the Russian built nuclear facility and the Shia world will cry out for revenge all over the Middle East. N. Korea’s Kim Jung Il will be made a very very rich man. He could sell a revenge seeking Iran 50kg of his weaponized plutonium without worrying about seriously depleteing his inventory and make barrels of instant currency… One heck of a plan…
“No matter if it’s rogue’s oil or a friend’s oil, we don’t care,” said an energy adviser to the central government who spoke on the condition he not be identified, citing the threat of government disciplinary action. “Human rights? We don’t care. We care about oil. Whether Iran would have nuclear weapons or not is not our business. America cares, but Iran is not our neighbor. Anyone who helps China with energy is a friend.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201546_pf.html
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 amace,
I meant that I didn’t know if Perle was trying instigate an invasion into Iran, or warning us about Chimpy’s determination to invade Iran. It looked like it could be read both ways.
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2007 @
Got it – but my point was the Ledeen, Wurmser et. al. have all been screaming at the top of their lungs to topple Iraq, Iran and Syria for years – and Perle is on their team. There is NO QUESTION that Perle wants us to invade Iran next and then Syria. That’s always been the plan, and 9/11 was the Starter Pistol to implement it.
Bush is simply Perle’s “Useful Idiot” as are all of the bought and paid for “yes men” in Congress.
Thier arrogance is indicative of the totality of their control.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:32 amSame people,same reasons,same game of Iraq war now played for another war with Iran. NeoCons alive and well…Perle seems to know about the coming war more than the US Congress, although he is an un elected person…he and most of the NeoCons like Kristol and others seems to be still cooking for more wars..Kristol has the nerve to say on Fox yesterday that Democrats “should shut their mouths ..”. Kissinger now a big player too…it is all about PNAC plans for the new century..Kissinger used the term ‘world order’ lately in an article refering to Iraq and the coming war with Iran. AIPAC is thrilled with the name of the new candidates.from Hillary,to McCain to Rudy Giuliani and the checks are arriving…they are all for the coming PNAC wars… The sell to the public began .
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 amThe neocon ideologues, Perle, Kristol, Wolfie and others, should all be rounded up and turned over to the mothers of our dead soldiers.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmRichard Perle is a “staunch supporter of war with ANY country”…
…if it ensures the safety and security of…
…Israel…
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pm“The first time I met Bush 43 … two things became clear. One, he didn’t know very much. The other, that he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn’t know very much.â€
Talk about being damned with faint praise! It is almost enough to make GDumbya look good in comparison to Pearle, Dick the Prick, Little Billy Kristol and the rest of the Keystone Kops who (1) think they know a helluva lot more than they really do and (2) are too arrogant to ask questions at all.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 pmThe dream of aristocracy throughout history has been to make its prerogatives immune to plebian priorities. There will ever be a need for vigilance by the plebs and for the rigorous enforcement of policies of transparency and accountability for all classes of the aristocracy: government, business, arts, and media. The question always is: how bad does it have to get before the plebs insist that their interests be both represented and protected?
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmThis guy is PURE evil, you just have to look at him. Here is you’re REAL VIce President, right beside Cheney as you’re President.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:37 pm#41 – Is not much of a stretch to envision horns about 4 inches above those eyebrows, now is it?
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmI have little doubt that any president would carry out any NECESSARY military action at all. The question is whether it is necessary, of course, and it rarely is.
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmWhat’s that about “working with the internal Iranian opposition”? _IS_ there an internal Iranian opposition to work with that is still left? What can they do in the twelve months before the shooting might start? We want to know more! Especially as Perle is not known for his good taste in choosing allies (like err.. Ahmad Chalabi).
Grand Moff Tarkin would approve of the direction things are taking.
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmI have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action [against Iran].
“Necessary”? Pray tell, why would it be necessary? Perhaps you mean as necessary as the invasion of Iraq…
adding he thought regime change is “the only significant effective way†to deal with the Iranian threat.
What threat would that be? Again, is Iran a threat now like Iraq was three years ago? Why should the US singlehandledly decide how other countries are governed? Isn’t military action for the sole purpose of “regime change” against international law?
It is amazing to me anyone would believe anything these prevaricators say at this point. Am I the only one having a bad case of deja vu?
Gotta love these neocons; they make up their minds about a course of action -usually war in spite of other, less bloody alternatives- and call it “necessary”. What a crock.
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 pmhttp://rense.com/general75/holtr.html
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmPerle “Iraq is a very good candidate for democratic reform.”
He got that right!!!
So he has to be right about Iran!!!!
What an operator!!!
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:59 pmWe need to disengage ourselves from Israel. They are willing to throw the Unites States of America under the Middle Eastern Bus so that they can keep stealing land.
” That’s not the view of Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative proponent of the Iraq war. Speaking at a conference this weekend in Israel, Perle suggested Bush would attack Iran before he leaves office: “Would this president do it? I think that until the day he leaves office, this is a president that, if he is told, ‘Mr. President, you are at the point of no return,’ I have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action.†”
He is gloating over the fact that he can get Bush to bomb Iran, and you can see it in his evil face !!!
SO HERE’S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT ISREAL - FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR LONG TIME FRIENDS AND BENEFACTORS, MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR NEIGHABORS – NOW!
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmSHOW US YOUR WORTH ALL THE GRIEF AND TREASURE YOU HAVE COST US !!!
“The first time I met Bush 43 … two things became clear. One, he didn’t know very much. The other, that he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn’t know very much.â€
Yes…crazy people (sociopaths) are clueless and oblivious even to themselves.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:21 pmSure “chimpboy” would order “Nessary action” against Iran because he won’t lose any love ones but he sure as hell would make a lot of money. And has for Israel, they get us to do their bidding yet again. We need to cut tides with Israel and clean up the mess we made in Iraq.
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:22 pmPerle, the neocon who is like the grim reaper of politics, scary, threatening, almost hissing when he speaks. He contributed as much or more than anyone to get us into Iraq, and since that worked so well, he is apparently playing the same act again. Bushie listens to him, believes him and acts.
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:09 pmThe man is a malevolent being with nefarious purposes. This merchant of death enjoys his game of war when other psople die.
One must remember that Richard Perle also said:
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:53 pm
The vamPerle once again stalks the night.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmI realize this is probably trite, but I can’t resists saying “I’ll take swine before Perle any day.”
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 amIt is time for these dangerous neocons like Perle to be excoriated and given their own cells at Guantanamo. These are the true terrorists.
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 amI have little faith in the President, our Legislators, or the American Public, to thwart a strike against Iran. Question is, what will Russia and China do?
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 amIsrael,….. Israel,…… Israel,…… what have you done to my country?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 amIsrael,….. Israel,…… Israel,…… what have you done to my country?
Shalom
January 25th, 2007 at 6:35 amIsrael,….. Israel,…… Israel,…… what have you done to my country?
Shalom
January 25th, 2007 at 6:38 amIts time to quit letting the Jews make all the policy decisions for the US government. I’m damn tired of it and damned pissed. They are ruining and have ruined American foreign policy and must be stopped before they ruin the country. Its time someone wakes up.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:01 pm