TONIGHT: Live ThinkProgress 2007 SOTU Coverage
TONIGHT: Live ThinkProgress 2007 SOTU Coverage
Tonight, ThinkProgress will be covering the State of the Union address live. Here’s the schedule:
1) 9 PM ET — SOTU Live-Blogging: Check ThinkProgress for real-time research-intensive rapid response to the State of the Union address.
2) 10 – 10:30 PM ET — ThinkProgress Radio: A live SOTU wrap-up featuring Amanda and Payson from ThinkProgress, broadcast over the web and on the local stations listed below. John Podesta and other guests from the Center for American Progress Action Fund will be on the air beginning at 8:00 PM ET, previewing the President’s address.
CALL IN
1-866-557-7377LISTEN ON THE WEB
Live streaming at 8:00 PM ETLISTEN ON THE RADIO
WARF Akron/Canton (1350 AM)
KABQ Albuquerque (1350 AM)
KUDO Anchorage (1080 AM)
WWKB Buffalo, NY (1520 AM)
KBBR Coos Bay OR (1340 AM) (carrying 1st hour live)
KKZN Denver (760 AM)
KGOE Eureka CA (1480 AM) (carrying 1st hour live)
WXXM Madison, WI (92.1 FM)
KTNF Minneapolis, MN (950 AM)
KRXA Monterey CA (540 AM) (carrying 1st hour live)
KPHX Phoenix AZ (1480 AM) (carrying 1st hour live)
KPOJ Portland, OR (620 AM)
KCTC Sacramento (1320 AM) (starting at 6:00 PM local time)
KQKE San Francisco (960 AM) (on delay starting at 9:00 PM local time)
WWRC Washington, DC (1260 AM)
In the meantime, check out these other documents to get you prepared for tonight:
The Real State of Our Union
• National Security
• Health Care
• Economy
• Energy and Environment
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
I’m watching it mostly for the nervous tension of low ratings AND a Democrat controlled audience… LOL
If there is Karma, this is partly what it looks like.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmIS THERE ANY WAY TO HEAR THE SOTU IN A VOICE OTHER THAN BUSH’S??…CERTAINLY CAN’T STOMACH HAVING TO WATCH HIS SMIRKING, IMPUDENT, AND IGNORANT FACIAL TWITCHES AND MONKEY SHINES.
Maybe it’s time to get an interpreter for those americans who can’t tolerate looking at him as well as hearing the sound of his dumb voice – an english to english interpreter?? That’s the only way many people can tolerate anything about him.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhy would he look any different from the typically illiterate, unconscious buffoon he’s always looked like?
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pm#2 – great idea. I’d love to hear it in Arabic! Or Urdu, or perhaps pig latin.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmIn this instance, it will be more apropriately termed the “State of Delusion” message…
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pm#5 Raven – in fine form today are you!
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmI see.
TP has run out of things to insult. While you’re not encouraging the deaths of our troops or pandering to the left wing MSM, I’m glad you can make time to insult our great president too.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmLOL,
Check out the video parody, and skip the bogus SOTU.
Sadly, tonights show wont be any different.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmor perhaps pig latin.
Comment by RUCerious — January 23, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Now that would be most appropriate… :D
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pm#7
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmwhat? where? I sure as hell would like to see our country have a great president.
Unfortunately, we get the SOTU from the dimwit we have, not the great president we wish we had.
I can hardly wait for the World’s Funniest Pantomime, aka, The Mental State of The Idiot-In-Chief’s Address, tonight. The end of the evening remarks are sure to be the highlight. I’m even getting my sister who hates politics to watch this one, just for the comic effect.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:29 pmI’m glad you can make time to insult our great president too.
Comment by Forty-Four-Twenty-Seven — January 23, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
This thread is about George W. Bush… The abject failure who will easily be labeled the Worse President Ever…
No one was insulting any of the former greats
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pmWould be nice if the trolls would pick on person per day to post the same all liberals are communists, blah blah liberal media blah blah, hate america blah blah etc…
That way we could just skip past it instead of thinking it is a post worth reading.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmOur wing of the office has a pool running on when the first lame joke will come out. I have sentence #2. Should get one haha, two chuckles and a shitload of embarrasing silence.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:33 pmBush is a great president – he saved us since 9/11 from worse attacks.
He has even allowed anti-lord sinners like yourselves to say what you want.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pmYeah. Bush gives the word BOTARD a bad name. If he happened to be even a GOOD President, we’d cut the bonehead some slack. The monkey man doesn’t have a clue, and he running this country, for crying out loud. What he does have is PSYCHOTIC VISION.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pmMusicians make an artful cacophony with their instruments while warming up for the main event. Bloggers make preparatory posts before the State of the Empire Address.
This is mine.
Don’t forget, I’ll be live-blogging it tonight, too, and will even take one for the team by watching it on Fox.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pmHe has even allowed anti-lord sinners like yourselves to say what you want.
Comment by Forty-Four-Twenty-Seven — January 23, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Bush was alive in 1776 to author the First Amendment to the Constitution? Well, what do you know… Delusional Reichtwing History is just as absurd as Religious Reichtwing Geology and Ridiculous Reichtwing “Intelligent” Design Theory… LOL
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pmTo Forty-Four-Twenty-Seven, 9/11 was a conspiracy and a staged attack in order to allow Bush to invade and occupy both Afghanistan and Iraq.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm#15- Give it a rest. Anti-Lord sinners, my a-. It’s sick twists like you that give God a bad rap. God doesn’t want innocent people to die for oil profit and he sure as hell doesn’t want psychos like George Bush to decide the fate of a great nation like ours. Watch the fun tonight and see how the people respond to this madman. You’ll laugh… you’ll cry…
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:46 pm9/11 was a conspiracy and a staged attack in order to allow Bush to invade and occupy both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Comment by Brandon Harris — January 23, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Then why were all the hijackers from other countries? Doesn’t make sense.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmIn history, Bush will be labeled the worst president the U.S. has ever had.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmDon’t feed the trolls….
Can I suggest we talk about the trolls instead of to the trolls so the threads can be cleaned later by ThinkProgress? Something like “Can you believe the 30%ers still believe Bush is a great president?” and then the rest of us can discuss/respond to that question…
Because they are obviously here to disrupt and not to make any actual point.
Whoever says “George Bush is a great president” is either a) mentally defficient, b) terminally self-deluded, or c) a shill.
Whatever the case, they is nothing modern medicine can do to help them.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmAnti-lord sinners ~ sign me up!
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:51 pmCome to think of it, also a great name for a band!
4427 don’t you ever come in here and slander. NOWHERE has TP been encouraging the death of our soldiers. For you to even suggest such a things tells me what type of scum you are.
There lives and deaths should never be used as pawns. If you ever come in here again and say such low and contempable things again with your ignorant postings I will take great pleasure in trouncing you via the keyboard.
Do you understand that number boy?
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmFor those so inclined, you can ease your pain by playing the State of the Union Drinking Game:
http://www.drinkinggame.us/
I’m recovering from a stomach bug so I’m on the bench this year.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmTo unbelieveable, that is what you do not know. The people who hijacked those planes were trained by the CIA to fly planes in Florida in order to be used to bomb the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmI thought he wrote Grate President as in annoying or drainage.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:54 pmCan I suggest we talk about the trolls instead of to the trolls so the threads can be cleaned later by ThinkProgress?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 23, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
My understanding was that Judd was talking about the insane trolls who don’t talk about politics but about raving personal nonsense that has no business here, and not about all of the opposition.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:54 pm4427, there has never been a Republican president that was a great president in the 20th. Century.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmI will just read the reports of the Address, as I cannot stand to listen to Chimpy speak at all.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmMy housemates hate it when I start cursing and yelling at the TV LOL
Thanks, RUC…
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 pm4427: interesting how you pointed out that Bush saved us since 9/11. Looks like you conveniently dismissed the fact that Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history to happen on his watch.
I won’t watch the moron President give his speech tonight. It will be full of lies and deceit, as has been his entire presidency. His legacy will be one of outright failure.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmtrained by the CIA to fly planes in Florida in order to be used to bomb the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Comment by Brandon Harris — January 23, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
So why didn’t they have Afghanistan and Iraqi passports instead of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani? I mean, if you’re gonna fake a war, then wouldn’t you make sure the people who attacked you were from the countries against whom you want to retaliate? Again, those people were not from the countries who we attacked, therefore, this does not prove a conspiracy.
January 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmUnbelievable,
I agree, but I think it also applies to people who make wild claims to get a reaction from other posters. Or who at least seem to post with that purpose.
IMHO, there is no point in responding to the epsilon minus who types things like “Pres Bush is my hero! Bow to him, you devil worshippers!!”
Of course, I could be wrong….
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmThen why were all the hijackers from other countries? Doesn’t make sense.
Comment by unbelievable
Not an inside job.
We were duped. Operation VigilanT Guardian, a US military exercise that took place the morning of 9/11 left the Northeast completely vulnerable to this kind of attack, because NORAD, the US military and Canada were involved in a WAR GAME involving suicide bombers flying planes into DC. So when the REAL attack happened, EVERYONE INCLUDING THE FAA thought it was part of the GAME. The 911 commission will never admit this embarrassment to the US Military. Also, why else would the attack have occured on such a conspicuous date? Military operations are usually very clever in the naming, timing, etc.
Sad but true. Conspircay NUT-JOBS are doing a disservice to spreading the ACTUAL TRUTH. Maybe Cheney informed the Saudis of the WAR GAME so they could pull of the attack easier?
WHY ELSE WAS THE MOST POWERFUL NATION UNABLE TO DEFEND ITSELF? DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pmGeorge W. Bush IS a great president. Great for Halliburton and the rest of the military industrical security complex. Great for big oil. Great for big pharma. Great for poluters who profit by destroying the environment. Great for Saudi Arabi. Great for the UAE. Great for Israeli anti-islamic hard-liners. Great for China, who buys the lions share of mid-east oil but does nothing to secure it. Great for his cronies who’ve reaped and raped untold billions and trillions from each and every alleged ‘failure’ made by this administration. Great for the entire intelligence community who are now operating without restriction and with unlimited unscrutinized budgets. Great for the real extremists who were once few and far between but now, thanks to the Bush doctrine, are recruiting faster than ever before possible. Hell, Bush may be the best president ever …just not for the people (Americans and otherwise).
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 pm…that’s why the FAA was ordered to destroy the tapes, not because of some impossible inside job, but because it would illustrate the confusion of the WAR GAME coinciding with the REAL ATTACK.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmOf course, I could be wrong….
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 23, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Never : )
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pmIf Bush actually tells us that we’re too dependent of foreign oil, the TV should could away to an intelligent newscaster (if one can be found) who would say:
“Hey, we’ve known that since 1973 and you’ve been President for six years. What the f@ck took you so long? And since you’ve failed at everything you’ve tried, why should we pay attention to you and your ‘plan’?”
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmWayne sez:
Chimpy’s speeches always make my brain hurt…I think I may have developed an allergy to cognitive dissonance.
However, I will be watching tonight, as I’m interested in listening to the periods between Chimpy’s gibberings. It will be fascinating, listening to the difference in applause volume between tonight and the earlier SOTU speeches.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmanti lord sinners? Now you’re just throwing words together. After looking at that it’s become apparent that it’s a double negative. Are you saying TP is against sins against the lord or what?
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmThe truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
Such is the case for the real story of 911.
NO inside job.
Attackers, either using a spy/mole/??? learned forhand of the WAR GAMES and planned their attack the same day.
Shrub/ Dicky/ et. al. might be evil, but they ain’t stupid.
Quit spreading STUPID LIES about 911. WE GOT SCREWED. It happens sometimes, and our Government would NEVER ADMIT TO SCREWING THE POOCH SO BADLY (our military got played like “suckas”).
Judd, you can now delete these…
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — January 23, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
I agree.
I hadn’t heard that before about the War Games. It sounds plausible. As does Bush being too arrogant to think we would ever be attacked and therefore doing nothing until it was too late to do anything but hide…
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmI have no plans to listen to the State of the Union address. If I really want to make myself thoroughly nauseous, I can think of other ways to do it which at least have the advantage of being pleasant at the onset…
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmWell, I look at it this way: Bush opened my eyes and forced me to view working politics in an objective and intellectually curious way. I know that I am very much involved in how it all works now and will never take my eyes off the ball, again. Thanks, Chimpy- for being so bad. Now, go f- yourself.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmNo inside job? Throw away all the kooky conspiracy theories and you still have the fact that Al-Quaeda was founded and funded by the CIA. That’s inside, isn’t it? They certainly let it happen, and almost certainly helped. There’s no other way to view it.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:21 pmunbe,
I can’t believe you’ve never heard about this. I guess the conspiracy fruit-cakes are doing their job of mucking-up the truth. ATTENTION FRUIT-CAKE CONSPIRACY IDIOTS. MY FRIENDS WHO LIVED IN NYC ON 9/11 SAW AIRPLANES HIT BOTH BUILDINGS, YOU FREAKIN’ DUNCES.
“Northern Guardian” and “Northern Vigilance” (NORAD exercises on 911/2001)
So here’s the true story. Sad, scary, but MUST BE KNOWN.
(I’m going to try and get a hard copy from the Toronto Star.)
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm(I’m going to try and get a hard copy from the Toronto Star.)
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 23, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Interesting… Thanks.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmUnbelievable
You hadn’t heard before about the war games carried on the morning of 9-11, yet you feel you can denounce anyone expressing an opinion based on knowledge, which you lack.
Do you ever get the feeling you are just like the right-wing, namely you are reactionary. You react before you listen. You reject before you consider.
It makes me sick how people just disregard the conspiracy evidence surrounding 9-11 without even reading about it. Just assume it can’t possibly be true. What ignorance.
And by ignorance, I mean the act of ignoring. You ignore because it suits your comfort level.
Open your mind.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmI’m sure there are many conspiracy theory websites out there to discuss any number of possibilities.
Facts are that Al Qiada was the group that executed the attack and since 9/11 the leaders of Al Qiada continue to mock the US and this President.
I believe the majority of Americans have woken up and aren’t taking that bullshit any more. I also believe that Bush takes the bait every time. Al Qiada wants us in Iraq. It gives the Iraqis and sorrounding countries a target.
FYI tsoldrin, Al Qiada wasn’t founded by the the CIA and any ties to funding were during the Soviet Unions disaster in Afghanistan. They weren’t Al Qiada then.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmhellinabucket
You don’t know how founded Al Qaeda. If you do, provide some sourcing. For all we know Al Qaeda evolved over many years as a result of money and arms flowing from the US and other western powers into the Middle East to fund this side and then the other. There’s an accepted term among US intelligence – it’s called blowback. Perhaps you are familiar with the term.
Al Qaeda is blowback.
So unless you have sources to prove who founded Al Qaeda, then you can’t possibly assert with any certainty that the CIA didn’t contribute to it.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmIt’s amusing and alarming to watch TP and media in general try to make something of this soap opera nightmare SOTU.
Will he say something constructive, they continue to ask in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
Bush has never said anything constructive.
Bush either speaks in double talk to hide what he and his handlers really intend, or he speaks in platitudes and inanities to fill time and satisfy the idiots in the audience.
It would be great if some media site would have a “double speak de-construction” simulcast.
As he lies and dissembles, an interpreter could deconstruct and then reconstruct the actual message.
I can give the gist of his message in a nutshell –
We are going to war with Iran, I’m not going to talk about it. Instead, I will pretend to care about the environment and health care so that the talking heads will have something to chew on for days while they ignore the fact that I’m starting WW III.
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmproud to be an anti-lord sinner & proud to monitor the SOTU with ya’ll!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmThanks for live blogging the SOTU, TP!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmWe are going to war with Iran, I’m not going to talk about it. Instead, I will pretend to care about the environment and health care so that the talking heads will have something to chew on for days while they ignore the fact that I’m starting WW III.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
DAMNIT, I really wish you were wrong.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmCouldn’t get any closer than Portland for the radio broadcast, eh?
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmAh well…
Trent Lott is on Hardball right now…blaming the Iraqi debacle on the Iraqis.
Charming fellow.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmWhy would TP live blog the SOTU which can be seen and heard on every TV channel?
Better TP should have gotten to blog the LIbby trial. Now there’s a use for blogging.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmTrent Lott is on Hardball right now…blaming the Iraqi debacle on the Iraqis.
TripMaster Monkey
As Pee Wee Herman said, “I love that story!”
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmDieNowForPeace
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmI wish I was wrong too. Believe me. My son is military age and I pray every day that the spirits will come to the rescue of the US and the insanity that holds us in its thrall.
Better TP should have gotten to blog the LIbby trial. Now there’s a use for blogging.
ChildrenofLir
You’re 2 for 2…
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmDieNowForPeace
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmBetter I was 0 for 2 eh?
ChildrenofLir sez:
Unfortunately, you’re absolutely right. It’s a done deal.
Of course, we won’t initiate hostilities. We’ll wait until we’re provoked by an Iranian attack on either our ships in the Gulf or on Israel…and if Iran doesn’t oblige us, we’ll manufacture the attack ourselves, with the assistance of the undisputed masters of the false-flag attack, Mossad.
When the attack happens, Chimpy will waste no time beating his breast about how we have to act to protect American interests, and vowing revenge upon the islamofascist aggressors.
In other words, 9/11 all over again.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmChildrenofLir, using that logic to say that since I can’t disprove any involvment there might be isn’t a strong argument for. They never did show that Castro had nothing to do with Kennedy’s death. Never was proven that FDR didn’t know for sure about the attacks on Pearl Harbor and didn’t stop it.
I’m all for further searching into answers for questions. I’ll look at conflicting sources and I’ll continue to question authority but I won’t spin wheels on 9/11 when far more have died and far more is at risk.
Al Qiada has it’s origin in Afghanistan as the Mujahideen and only grew after bin Ladin went back to Saudi Arabia in the 90’s and was disgusted with US being on it’s own soil.
So now, if you can disprove that and have any piece of info showing CIA involvment then show it. Otherwise all you have is hot air and no argument.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmChildrenofLir,
Yikes, my kids are only kindergarten age. I can empathize.
I’m ready to go to extremes, for a dad, if things get worse.
Either that or call my friends in Canada. I LOVE that place.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmhellinabucket
Well we could start with the fact that Bin Laden was supported by the CIA, and there is the report that Bin Laden was in a hospital in Dubai just prior to 9-11 and he was visited by CIA operatives.
But why start with Bin Laden. Why not go all the way back to Mossadech in Iran in 1954 when he was overthrown by CIA operatives and Kermit Roosevelt. Let’s start there for now. And go forward. The tale is an interesting one if one cares to open one’s eyes.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmhellinabucket
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmYou made the assertion first. You source it. Do some work besides mouthing off,
Pardon ME, but if you can find ANY PROOF, of ANY CIA involvement in just about ANYTHING, I’ll eat one whole can of my dog’s food!
IT’S THE F*CKING CIA, FOR CRISSAKES!
The Secret Government
Maybe you’re just too young to remember.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
1. The State of our Union is well – screwed
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pm2. We’re hopelessly addicted to all kinds of oil, foreign and domestic
3. Our military is hopelessly bogged down in a New Vietnam and we’re sending more people to get shot at for no reason
4. The size of the National debt is simply f***ing enormous and its getting bigger – start learning Mandarin, sports fans
5. The rest of the world hates our guts and some of them would really like to fly more planes into our buildings, or crap in our food supply or something equally irritating.
6. Did I say, the State of our Union is well – screwed…?
1) 9 PM ET — SOTU Live-Blogging: Check ThinkProgress for real-time research-intensive rapid response to the State of the Union address.
WHO NEEDS “REAL-TIME RESEARCH-INTENSIVE RAPID REPONSE?????”
Is this A JOKE TP???
JUDD, are you down with this bullsh!t??
Let me sum up the speech before I hear it!!!!
Same sh!t, another day!!
PH*CK YOU GW BOTCH!!
How’s that!!
Hey Judd! Find something better to focus on!!!!!
I don’t need:
“REAL-TIME RESEARCH-INTENSIVE RAPID REPONSE”
to know that GW Botch sucks!!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmBut why start with Bin Laden. Why not go all the way back to Mossadech in Iran in 1954 when he was overthrown by CIA operatives and Kermit Roosevelt. Let’s start there for now. And go forward. The tale is an interesting one if one cares to open one’s eyes.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Okay, 3 for 3…
The Secret Government Bill Moyers piece I posted IS ABOUT this very thing!!!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pmGreat…now my first post shows up. Sorry for the double post.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 pmCan you honestly tell me that this man is Osama Bin Laden?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Most DEFINITELY NOT.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:38 pmDieForPeaceNow
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmThanks for that link. Great! Needs to be seen over and over again.
HellinaBucket
You need to look at DieForPeaceNow link to THe Secret Government
It explains how the CIA is DIRECTLY responsible for Bin Laden, 9-11, and alas Iraq
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 pmThe Official Rachel Maddow Show 2007 State of the Union Drinking Game
http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/node/2325
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:44 pmNeeds to be seen over and over again.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
If only it were shown in split screen along with the SOTU address!
OUCH.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmHa! #72 Katy, I saw that and forwarded it to my friends. I came here to mention it and you got to it first!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pm#77,
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmDarn! I don’t want to watch, but that sounds like fun!
You’ll get no argument from me on the CIA’s involvment in Iran. We placed the Shah there and manipulated that region for decades.
That doesn’t show any link to OBL and your assumptions miss major points of Al Qiada.
They are the ultra conservative on the muslim side. They are driven by ideology, not money.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmJim Webb will kick a$$ tonight!! He will tell the truth!!!!
GW Botch will look more stupider (sic) !!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmIf only it were shown in split screen along with the SOTU address!
OUCH.
And with a simulcast deconstruction – reconstruction of his lies and platitudes. Everything he talks about, ignore cause he’s just pretending, everything he doesn’t talk about, that’s where the money is.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmSo now, if you can disprove that and have any piece of info showing CIA involvment then show it. Otherwise all you have is hot air and no argument.
Comment by hellinabucket
I have a stack of old Soldier of Fortune mags from the time, with articles and photos of the cia sponsored training by mercs in Afganistan, training the Mujadeen to fight the Russians. We even gave them LAW rockets. One of the articles clearly states one of the groups that were being trained called themselves “the Base ”
Guess what “Al Queda” means…… beep times up…. it means “the Base”.
Just like when we overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed the Shah. thus creating the path for the current situation in Iran. And giving chemical weapons to Sadam in the 80s, setting up the mess in Iraq, we trained and armed “The Base” which is now called Al Queda.
To dispute that is just being dishonest.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmThey are the ultra conservative on the muslim side. They are driven by ideology, not money. Hellinabucket
The source from Wayne is the best proof. What more do you need dude?
Oh by the way Hellinabucket – Al Qaeda is the most conservative because they are – Wahhabists – which is Saudi Arabia – and that’s CIA, oil, and BushCO all rolled into one.
I think you’re done hellinabucket.
You’ve offered no sourcing, and Wayne just doused you with more source than you could know what to do with.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmWayne, in Afghanistan Al Qiada was not involved in the actual warfare but the logistics. They supplied the mujahdeen with food, shelfter and the like. Yes it does translate to base because that’s what they ran.
there is no doubt of the CIA’s involvment in Afghanistan and there is no doubt of the emergence of Al Qiada from Afghanistan and that the CIA and the beginings of Al Qiada had crossed paths.
Huge leap to say the CIA is assisting Al Qiada now.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmJust like when we overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed the Shah. thus creating the path for the current situation in Iran. And giving chemical weapons to Sadam in the 80s, setting up the mess in Iraq, we trained and armed “The Base†which is now called Al Queda.
To dispute that is just being dishonest.
Comment by Wayne
And all this, for the control of oil. Like Dicky-boy’s saying “The American way of life is NOT negotiable.”
Do they not see that obstinance is not getting us ANYWHERE. And that by “protecting our way of life” the way they do only short-sells us down the road?
GREED. It will be the end of us.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:57 pmJanuary 23rd, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Jim Webb will kick a$$ tonight!! He will tell the truth!!!!
GW Botch will look more stupider (sic) !!!
Comment by dixie blood — January 23, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Whatever happened to praying to God Almighty for our leaders strength in a time of war.
Something is missing in this country. The power of mass prayer.
The war could have been over long ago if we as a nation could get together all at once and pray for the divining miracle of the Lord Gods spirit to overtake the land.
You have to believe in tha power of prayer and the God Almighty.
Dont put your stock into mere mortals here on earth. They are all corrupted by moiney and the power that it brings. ( False Idol )
It will be the destruction of America this love of money will.
January 23rd, 2007 at 7:59 pmAny chance the speech will be posted here again this year? Helps the drinking games :)
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 pmHuge leap to say the CIA is assisting Al Qiada now.
Comment by hellinabucket
Try this tiny step:
The CIA at the very least, tipped off Al Queda about the WAR GAMES on 9/11.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pmhellinabucket:
If you’re interested, here’s a good rundown on the history of Osama bin laden and his involvement with the CIA.
Add to this the inconvenient fact that Osama bin Laden isn’t actually officially wanted for the 9/11 attacks. Interesting?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 pmSomething is missing in this country. The power of mass prayer.
The war could have been over long ago if we as a nation could get together all at once and pray for the divining miracle of the Lord Gods spirit to overtake the land.
Which g(G)od shall we pray to a$$wipe? My God can kick you god’s A$$!!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmwow! how did all the nine eleven conspiracy comments get here on the SOTU thread… unbelievable!… amazing!…
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmHellinabucket says “Huge leap to say the CIA is assisting Al Qiada now. “
How is it a huge leap to say the CIA funded Bin Laden and the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Add to it that Bush and the CIA support the Al Qaeda homeland – Saudi Arabia – from which most of the 9-11 hijackers arise.
That’s not a huge leap.
YOU are making the huge leap to say there is no connection.
Again – give some source or stop asserting things that are just your opinion based on nothing -
or as Shakespeare said
You’re making a lot of noise but you are signifying nothing
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmkaty sez:
I’m not sure myself, katy…I think we’re just killing time until Chimpy starts his ’speech’.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:07 pmdivining miracle of the Lord Gods spirit to overtake the land.
new awakening
Sorry new awakening. But you sound like your God is a male god of vengeance.
That’s just nonsense. IT’s just more of BushCo only up in the sky.
I believe in the spirit world, but not in your god of vengeance and lord of lords, or whatever you choose to project of the male ego onto the beyond-gender universe.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmWhatever happened to praying to God Almighty for our leaders strength in a time of war.
Something is missing in this country. The power of mass prayer.
The war could have been over long ago if we as a nation could get together all at once and pray for the divining miracle of the Lord Gods spirit to overtake the land.
You have to believe in tha power of prayer and the God Almighty.
Dont put your stock into mere mortals here on earth. They are all corrupted by moiney and the power that it brings. ( False Idol )
It will be the destruction of America this love of money will.
Comment by new awakening — January 23, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
I thought you people had a Rapture to go to? Let the adults talk here, won’t you?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmdnfp, the CIA didn’t have to tip off anyone. It was earlier posted that the exercise was known about.
I won’t argue the CIA has it’s hands in more places than anyone can count but to infer the CIA has a hand in Al Qiada has less to go on than most other conspiracy theories.
Our enemy is Al Qiada for many different reasons and it is something we (US) helped create.
To say I’m done kid for lir, are just words. You still only have the boogey man theory on your side. I’ve shown, and will continue to do so.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pmDid it start yet?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pmIf there is Karma, this is partly what it looks like.
Comment by unbelievable
There is Karma, not all have it.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmor as Shakespeare said
You’re making a lot of noise but you are signifying nothing
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Or as fishermen say, Fish or Cut Bait.
I have long had the belief that the CIA has been and still is maneuvering these terrorists around to keep the conflict going.
They are the human chess pieces, the CIA station chiefs are the players of the chess game.
It is one huge CIA multi decadal operation that blew up in their faces.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pmAnd brought a nation to war over their clandestine blackops operations.
Katy
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pmEarth to katy. 911 has alot to do with SOTU. Perhaps not to you in your isolated universe of categorical imperatives. But to us mere morals, the deaths of thousands be it in NYC or in Iraq has alot to do with Bush. ANd yes, you may not know it, because you choose to ignore it, but Bush may have had alot to do with 911. So stop acting so naive. Or maybe you’re just a cheerleader at heart.
hellinabucket
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmYou’re priceless. Are you whispering to DieNowForPeace that no matter what anyone proves to you, you still need to believe that the CIA is not connected to Al Qaeda. Wake up fool. Smell lthe coffee and stop hanging on to your beliefs in the face of proof.
Huge leap to say the CIA is assisting Al Qiada now.
Comment by hellinabucket
Did I say they are assisting now?
I said the Raygun administration sent the CIA and trained those who became the current Al Queda and caused the situation we have today.
We, the US, have tended to create our own problems when we meddle in other countries affairs. Historically our meddling for corporate interests has caused the most trouble we have
We created Al Queda and armed and trained them. Fact
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmEmbargoed: State of the Union Text »
We’ll start respecting White House embargoes when they start telling the truth.
see newest thread…
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmI thought you people had a Rapture to go to? Let the adults talk here, won’t you?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That was pretty uncalled for and over the top dont you thnik so?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 pmNot to mention extremely rude you selfish little person.
ChildrenofLir, newbie, friend?
Go easy on the natives. We’re good peeps.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmOr maybe you’re just a cheerleader at heart.
Comment by ChildrenofLir — January 23, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
or maybe you just didn’t get my passive-aggressive hint about a certain commenter who is always telling others NOT to talk about nine eleven because judd prohibits it…
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmmaybe…
hellinabucket sez:
Um…did you even visit the link I provided for you?
Shown what? You’ve shown nothing. You haven’t provided a single link to back up your assertions.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:17 pmoh, and who basically STARTED this latest nine eleven conspiricay discussion… see #21…
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:19 pmbecause judd prohibits it…
maybe…
Comment by katy
I know better too! I think TP is a little too busy to police right now. I’m sure they’ll get deleted later!
PLEASE FORGIVE ME JUDD!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:19 pmDieNowForPeace
I’ve been around here for a long long time and I know the children don’t like to think beyond mouthing anti-Bush stuff but when the topics get substantial they get restless and want entertainment.
It’s just that my son’s life is in the balance, and I’m sick of the sophomorphic crap that passes for dialogue here.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmBush may have had alot to do with 911.
Comment by ChildrenofLir — January 23, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
MAY HAVE is not FACT.
Try again about Bushs involvement. You cannot say he was or was not involved. Just admit it.
And then admit that you cannot discuss a case based on innuendo and sheer opinion, the case being yours if you believe Bush was directly involved.
Sheer speculation and docudrama on your part so far.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmChildrenofLir
I understand. And here I am TYPING while my kids whittle away their youth…
Ciao.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:22 pmKaty
You should be thrown off for disrespect and barging in to conversations like a teen-ager without even bothering to consider that people are discussing issues. Instead it’s all about you. And you’re bored.
Too bad.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:22 pmfor what it’s worth -
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:22 pmi’m all for nine eleven conspiracy discussions… thanks for the links here…
just found the irony, well, ironic…
Katy
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:25 pmneed to make that clearer – you’re sense of irony that is – then i could appreciate it more
I personally thin he not only idly just knew.
But that he wholeheartedly approved.
Him and his father Bush Sr.
And I will until the day I die. These people are just too obvious.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:25 pmThat was pretty uncalled for and over the top dont you thnik so?
Not to mention extremely rude you selfish little person.
Comment by new awakening — January 23, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
I have no time for people who would rather cop out of the real world and feel the urge to tell me who and what to pray to or for – I find that attitude selfish, little person.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 pmWow, TPM I did visit your site and it was the same general information that I was discussing. And Wayne, I said the same thing earlier about the CIA’s initial involvement with Al Qiada.
as for kids for leer, I enjoy the prospect of conspiracy theories. Some are just more credible than others. Too bad my earlier posts didn’t make the list here. would have countered just as quickly.
Katy, You enter anytime you want and don’t let someone in need of a conspiracy fix to discourage you.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:31 pmHoward Stones
There’s plenty of evidence of Bush duplicity – let’s start here
“Q. You’re not just going leave that hanging out there, are you? Just bash Bush with no evidence to back it up?
“A. There’s no need to bash anybody. There is more than enough documentation to establish that the Bush Administration was fully aware that a major attack was coming from Al-Qaeda, by air, aimed at symbolic structures on the U.S. mainland, and that among mentioned targets were the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Congress, Statue of Liberty. (According to Richard Clarke, the White House’s National Coordinator for Anti-Terrorism, the intelligence community was convinced ten weeks before 9/11 that an Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil was imminent.) “http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pmHellinabucket
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:34 pmyou weasal out without a single source, and you try to pretend that you’ve kept up your end. You’re just like Bush. Full of it. All hat, no cattle, as they say in Texas.
Katy
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:36 pmDidn’t realize you were being sarcastic. The discussion was heated though and you came in at the wrong time.
I thought you people had a Rapture to go to? Let the adults talk here, won’t you?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That was pretty uncalled for and over the top dont you thnik so?
Not to mention extremely rude you selfish little person.
Comment by new awakening
Not to mention condescending as hell too.
Why not just pass on my comment instead of lashing out like that?
I wasnt trying to tell you one thing. Mainly because it wouldnt do any good. I was and will continue to state my opinion just like you do.
Just simmer down. It wasnt directed to you in the least. Until you decided to make it that way. I am sorry if I offended you but I entirely do not see how I did.
Just relax. This war and all the things ut entails has all of us upset and off balance in our daily lifes rythm.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 pmChildrenofLir
I believe you. I am sure he had plenty to do with it. Him and his father both. But where does one start for a prosecution of this magnitude?
Bunch 9-11 and the runup to the bogus intelligence and then the war itself? Do we bunch all three of these issues together for the articles of impeachment?
Or do we have enough evidence to go forward is what I am asking.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmOK gloves off Children of lir, what source do you want. I’ll gladly sit it in front of you and then we’ll discuss.
Do you want the origin of Al Qiada. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1670089.stm
go to this website for starters. Or you could go to Al Jazeera’s website and look further.
I’ve stated there was initial involvement but you confuse the beginnings of the group to what it is now. You also are convinced the CIA is the root of all evil.
So you want to talk smack go ahead. But you haven’t shown shit.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmJust simmer down.
Oh that’s a good one New Awakening. Very enlightened. That’s the first step of trying to provoke someone, tell them to simmer down.
New Awakening doesn’t obviously refer to New Age, or even new understanding.
I agree with Terry
You’re tone is condescending. If you want to share your spiritual experiences, good, if you want to tell people that ‘your lord of lords’ is waiting for us to pay homage, then I augment (as Condi Rice would say) Terry’s charge – we are adults here, so stop your judgments.
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmI just hope they boo him
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmAnd another
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmhellinabucket
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:48 pmAll I asked was that you source. And finally you do, but you have to attribute beliefs to me that you don’t know I have. Sorry. You don’t know how to debate or discuss. I will leave you alone now. I’ve probably exhausted what little ability you have to defend your positions. Stay comfortable in your beliefs and don’t bother trying to test them against reality.
apparently I’m linked challenged and I would gladly debate you on subject matter childrenoflir. I didn’t find much in true subject matter from you. I did see you do have a horse in this race and I want your child safe as well.
I was pointing out what is known. They aren’t necessarily my opinions on the matter. I haven’tI showed you my beliefs and your condesending little blathering means nothing on it.
If you believe the CIA has greater emphasis in Al Qiada than what is known then that’s what you will believe. I believe the major problem at hand is the current involvment in Iraq and the need to forcefully address the shortcomings of this administration.
That is my belief.
Test reality? Cloak and Daggers is your reality. You haven’t shown squat but can have pithy responses. Let’s hear your position on the involvement of the CIA and Al Qiada. I’ve been to the “supporting” links but all it talks about is the late 80’s before Al Qiada morphed. That growth happened after OBL went back to Saudi Arabia. That’s reality.
Your turn. Or are you comfortable in denying that?
January 23rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmhellinabucket,
Why did OBL initially deny involvement in 9/11? And why is the man in the so-called ‘9/11 confession video’ manifestly not OBL?
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:02 pmOK, kids…Chimpy is gearing up to speak…let’s table the 9/11 discussion and return to the stated topic of the thread.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:04 pmTPM, I don’t remember OBL denying it but I don’t doubt he did. There is a long video showing OBL discussing how it was decided on the type of attack and it had been translated as well as clearly showing OBL. Don’t know why on any confession tape it wasn’t him.
I also don’t see how that makes a link to the CIA.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:14 pmhellinabucket, if you’re blind enough to believe that the man in the ‘9/11 confession video’ is actually OBL, there’s no point in discussing this with you any longer.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 pmDidn’t say anything of the sort TripMaster Monkey. How blind am I? I can’t see a massive conspiracy that hides in the shadows? There’s enough real boogey men right in front of us.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 pmlmao!! I’m just laughing at this neanderthal!!
Is he really braindead?? really? yup! lmao!
I can’t believe I’m even watching this crap …
…only because of your e-mail, am I here!
Thanks! I sent it to 200+ people! :)
Across my messagboard…and listservers
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:50 pmhellinabucket sez:
Actually, you did.
hellinabucket, do us a favor and actually decide on a position before you jump in to debate it.
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pmStream keeps repeating the hilarious inteo but it’s getting OLD!!!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 pmThe stream keeps repeating the same commentary….
What’s up with that??
I’m bumming out now………..
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pmIt’s streaming now because I switched the stream to Real Player.
Maybe it’s me…er…my computer. lol
I have Sen. Webb on PBS live, at any rate.
All is cool!!!
Thanks again for doing this!!! :)
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmI’m calling but you aren”t answering……..
My comment…
Bush is a moron and he didn’t raise my heart-rate at all!!
Did he mention IRAN??????????????
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop laughing and get serious!!!!
January 23rd, 2007 at 10:38 pmWell TPM. you have quite the attitude but no substance.
go here archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/
don’t dumb yourself down
January 24th, 2007 at 7:11 pmI’m going to attempt and actually link
January 24th, 2007 at 7:17 pm