Comments on: SOTU: Escalation Has Been Tried And Failed http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:07:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: austin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1513934 austin Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:38:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1513934 the reason bush/cheney never had an exit strategy is...they never planned to exit. duh. surge or no surge, the game is to do whatever it takes to maintain permanent bases in iraq, invade iran, gain control over the oil. actually, the plan was laid out a couple of weeks ago, didja see that? it would make it ok for american oil co's to make 'up to 75% of the profits'...but if you were paying attention way back at the beginning about the reason osama bin laden's 'base' organization hq'd in afghanistan had been trying to blow up american targets since 1991, you'd remember it was chiefly because our infidel boots were on their soil [desert storm]. iraq had nothing to do with anything but the combined lust for oil on the part of b/c's big oil friends, and the industrial/military lust for power bases in the middle east. that's why iran is next. the reason bush/cheney never had an exit strategy is…they never planned to exit. duh. surge or no surge, the game is to do whatever it takes to maintain permanent bases in iraq, invade iran, gain control over the oil. actually, the plan was laid out a couple of weeks ago, didja see that? it would make it ok for american oil co’s to make ‘up to 75% of the profits’…but if you were paying attention way back at the beginning about the reason osama bin laden’s ‘base’ organization hq’d in afghanistan had been trying to blow up american targets since 1991, you’d remember it was chiefly because our infidel boots were on their soil [desert storm]. iraq had nothing to do with anything but the combined lust for oil on the part of b/c’s big oil friends, and the industrial/military lust for power bases in the middle east. that’s why iran is next.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512442 RUCerious Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:49:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1512442 “My fellow citizens, our military commanders and I have carefully weighed, then dismissed those options. We discussed every possible approach. In the end, I chose this course of action because it was exactly what I wanted to do in the first place." "Heh" “My fellow citizens, our military commanders and I have carefully weighed, then dismissed those options. We discussed every possible approach. In the end, I chose this course of action because it was exactly what I wanted to do in the first place.” “Heh”

]]> By: fk http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512133 fk Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:11:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1512133 whoever's carrying the biggest stick is likely to be able to restore order, but not to maintain it. as any expert in asymmetric warfare and who understands modern civil war, we can't just target the "bad guys" anymore, because there's a public that will turn against you as well. you must also be able to protect civilians and govern for a long period after. there are no established institutions of governance in iraq that have a monopoly on the use of physical force. and there won't be for a long time. we'll be there a while no matter what. and more troops just means more boys away from home, just as long. it's like the 38th parallel in korea - we've been there forever. and it's still the most militarized border in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone whoever’s carrying the biggest stick is likely to be able to restore order, but not to maintain it. as any expert in asymmetric warfare and who understands modern civil war, we can’t just target the “bad guys” anymore, because there’s a public that will turn against you as well. you must also be able to protect civilians and govern for a long period after. there are no established institutions of governance in iraq that have a monopoly on the use of physical force. and there won’t be for a long time. we’ll be there a while no matter what. and more troops just means more boys away from home, just as long. it’s like the 38th parallel in korea – we’ve been there forever. and it’s still the most militarized border in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512108 Zooey Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:08:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1512108 Boy is Exley's face gonna be red when the surge doesn't work. Right....who cares. You need to sign up for the surge, Ex. Boy is Exley’s face gonna be red when the surge doesn’t work.

Right….who cares.

You need to sign up for the surge, Ex.

]]> By: Exley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512084 Exley Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:05:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1512084 Jay, I am not saying that the "surge" will, in fact, work. I do not have the expertise or experience to say one way or the other what impact it will have. I am simply hopeful that it will work. I am not ready to say at this point that it is hopeless. Jay, I am not saying that the “surge” will, in fact, work. I do not have the expertise or experience to say one way or the other what impact it will have. I am simply hopeful that it will work. I am not ready to say at this point that it is hopeless.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512054 Jay Randal Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:01:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1512054 Exley > no amount of troops can end the violence in Iraq, but it can kill more Iraqis and get more of our own troops slain too. Exley > no amount of troops can end the violence in Iraq, but it can kill more Iraqis and get more of our own troops slain too.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511998 unbelievable Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:57:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511998 My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. ---George Washington My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth.
—George Washington

]]> By: Exley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511957 Exley Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:53:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511957 #3, Upon what do you base that statement, Jay? Do you completely discount out of hand the possibility that the presence of some 21,000 U.S. troops in Baghdad might just help quell the sectarian violence in Iraq's capital? #3, Upon what do you base that statement, Jay? Do you completely discount out of hand the possibility that the presence of some 21,000 U.S. troops in Baghdad might just help quell the sectarian violence in Iraq’s capital?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511929 Zooey Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:50:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511929 GWB, you are a drowning man. And you take the troops with you, but they drown in blood. GWB, you are a drowning man.
And you take the troops with you, but they drown in blood.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511916 ForTruth Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:49:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511916 There are no winners in war. There are no winners in war.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511904 ForTruth Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:48:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511904 "Those darn escalators are complicated" “Those darn escalators are complicated”

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511903 unbelievable Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:48:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511903 I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind. ---Thomas Jefferson I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.
—Thomas Jefferson

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511899 Jay Randal Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:47:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511899 Escalating the Iraq war with more troops will not lead to success! Escalating the Iraq war with more troops will not lead to success!

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511890 unbelievable Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:46:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511890 The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

]]> By: n69n http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1511885 n69n Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:46:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/23/sotu-escalation-has-been-tried-and-failed/#comment-1511885 New Strategy: <strong><em>"CHOOSE VICTORY"</em></strong> New Strategy: “CHOOSE VICTORY”

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