Hagel Chides Colleagues On Iraq Vote: ‘If You Wanted A Safe Job, Go Sell Shoes’
Hagel Chides Colleagues On Iraq Vote: ‘If You Wanted A Safe Job, Go Sell Shoes’
This morning in his opening statements before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said, “The American people are far ahead of us” on what to do next in Iraq. “They’re not conflicted with the nuances of life. They understand what’s going on.” According to a recent Gallup Poll, 56 percent of Americans want a withdrawal from Iraq within a year.
Hagel chided his fellow colleagues for being too concerned about the politics of their Iraq positioning. “If you wanted a safe job, go sell shoes,” he said. Hagel concluded that all 100 Senators have a responsibility to take a position on escalation. “We owe it to those men and women that we continue to send in that grinder.” Watch it:
Transcript:
This is a very real, responsible addressing of the most divisive issue in this country since Vietnam. Yes, sure, it’s tough. Absolutely. And I think all 100 senators ought to be on the line on this.
What do you believe? What are you willing to support? What do you think? Why were you elected?
If you wanted a safe job, go sell shoes. This is a tough business. But is it any tougher, us having to take a tough vote, express ourselves and have the courage to step up on what we’re asking our young men and women to do?
I don’t think so.
When I hear, on both sides of this argument, impugning motives and patriotism to our country, not only is it offensive and disgusting but it debases the whole system of our country and who we are.
My goodness. Can’t we debate the most critical issue of our time, out front, in front of the American people?
The expect it. Are we so weak, we can’t do that?
I don’t think so. Like always, the American people are far ahead of us sitting here, far ahead of us. Because we’re concerned about politics. We’re concerned about our position. We’re concerned about our next election.
So we tinker. So we figure out wordsmithing. So should we oppose the president or just not support the president?
Different languages: disagree with the president ; that’s not as harsh as oppose the president.
But you know what, the American people have got this sorted out. They always have. They’re not conflicted with the nuances of life. They understand what’s going on. What we are proposing here — and everyone will have an opportunity to voice their opinion, present their amendments, make their case, as they should.
It’s the strength of who we are, the fabric of our society.
But we owe it to those men and women that we continue to send in that grinder.
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hagel's been ratcheting up the language daily. too bad he didn't have that passion for truthseekiing about five friggin years ago.
but better late than never, i guess.
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January 24th, 2007 at 3:15 pmAbsolutely spot-on. I may not agree with him on anything else but at least he is trying to uphold that right. And maybe some Congressional action will insure that more American service personell have the opportunity to come home and be part of the American political dialogue also.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmHagel:" Go sell shoes, and I will show you where to get the shoe polish".
January 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmHey Repubs ... trade you one Lieberman for one Hagel ....
January 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmNice job, Chuck!
Where were you three years ago? Way out in front with the other Republicans and warmongers beating up anyone who stepped out of line.
Coward and Bully.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI'm sure Al Bundy wouldn't agree.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhy do you think Bush wants the war to continue until after he is out of office? Because he doesn't want those service members back here laying the smackdown on the republican party.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhat the Democrat response should have been:
Chuck. You have a safe job. You spend your entire life guarded, protected, well paid and well fed. You are even given a high degree of social status in your job.
Stop pretending that it is your life you are putting on the line, stop pretending that these risks you are taking are yours, and start acting like a decent human being. The truth is that you risk other people's lives with your decisions, we all do, and if we are trully decent people we take cognisance of the fact that people do not like to have their lives risked on a gamble - it is not something you do lightly or for fear of being named a coward.
Indeed it is cowardly, vain and foolish to pretend that these risks are ours alone, it is a product of weakness, to claim that these risks are ours or to take credit for these risks. These risks, are being taken by the American people, who we as a Congress, as a senate, serve. We do not rule the American people, we serve them, and if you think we are going to risk one hair on one of our people's heads because you think it lends an air of excitement to sitting in a airy room with stuffy people, you have another thing coming.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSorry, just read the headline and got preachy. If TP could just delete that post?
January 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmHagel tells them to "go sell shoes". Condi Rice has a reputation as "shoe-aholic". Hhmm...
January 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmMr. Hagel may be a little late to the party, but it has been awhile since I heard a politician speak with less concern for their job than representing what the American people want...
January 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmIts Bruce Gorton! Hey Bruce, how you been?
January 24th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHe said "They’re (Ameircan people) not conflicted with the nuances of life"
January 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pmWhere were you three years ago? Way out in front with the other Republicans and warmongers beating up anyone who stepped out of line.
Actually, I think he was holding the door open for Hillary as they were both on their way to the warmongering party. Or were they both going to the mens room?
January 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmYou're right Chuck...
...we want out of this God forsaken occupation...
...we want our money back!
...and we sure as hell want the criminal Bushites responsible for this debacle...
...held accountable...
...and NOT in 25 years!
January 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#10...patriotic. [." Hagel tells them to "go sell shoes". Condi Rice has a reputation as "shoe-aholic"]. Now she can find a nice comfortable Republican shoes she dreamed about......
January 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmgood thing Hagel is not extreme enough to get the party nod for the 08 election, otherwise the dems might be in trouble. I also think McCain needs to start taking notes about what for the "straight talk express".
January 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmSorry, just read the headline and got preachy. If TP could just delete that post?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Heh. Happens to me all the time. :)
January 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAngry Hagel:'GO SELL SHOES'>....Senators:"What else"?! Hagel"Boots too,you can even add handbags to the mix"....
January 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmOversight smells good. To bad it took the election for repukes to understand what their duties were.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHagel- Better late than never. Welcome to Sanity-Ville. Now, how do we get rid of this unwelcome guest? W. is beginning to smell like bad fish and you know how hard it is to get rid of the odor.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmSpudge_Boy
Life is good. I am still jumping the gun a bit at things though, maybe I need to mellow out and go on holiday at some point.
How are things really in the states? Seems all the news lately has been "Embattled president" and "Embattled economic bubble soon to pop." Well either that, or "Libby so dirty they can't even manage to get a jury pool together to give him a fair trial."
Heck, you read the business pages and between SA retailers making record profits, credit going crazy, a general sense of industry ahead of 2010, and you get the feeling people are spending it now, before America sends us all into a world depression.
Even recent blackouts (IN RSA a two hour blackout is a major news story which goes on for about a week and prompts our wisemen saying sooth about how this is a bad sign for the country) haven't really made that much of a dent in the fey mood.
So what actually is the mood in America right now? Is it as negative as reported, or is it just a matter of fixing things?
January 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPerhaps Hagel is actually being political expedient and trying to save his own job. The polls are not lying and Hagel knows it - Americans want out of the death trap. Hagel doesn't want to sell shoes in 2009. At least he is using strong language and is in tune with the majority of the population.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:51 pmHagel's always been outspoken about Iraq. It's just that he kept voting the party line. Here's what he was saying to an American Legion crowd in Nebraska in June 2005:
"It has tormented me, torn me more than any one thing," he said with a grim look on his face. "To see what these guys in Iraq are having to go through and knowing what I know here: that we didn't prepare for it, we didn't understand what we were getting into. And to put those guys in those positions, it makes me so angry."
Hagel further ridiculed Bush's frequent citing of a "coalition of the willing" as allies who have committed a relatively small number of troops and aid.
"It's a joke to say there's a coalition of the willing," he said, adding that many are pulling out and the United States is fronting the bills for those who remain. Meanwhile. "we are destroying the finest military in the history of mankind, and the (National) Guard, too. We're stretching our Army to the breaking point."
The legionnaires gave him a standing ovation.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:59 pm"Git yer friggin' shine box!"
January 24th, 2007 at 4:04 pmBruce Gorton,
I think we may have fixed the wheel before the trian jumped the tracks, but a madman is still the engineer.
I think we slowed the downward spiral, but we need to get rid of Bush and friends. They are bad for this country. The true majority spoke on November 7th, but the 110th Congress just took the rains, so it will take a little more time.
Things are looking up in the US. I am sure the red staters aren't too happy as is shown on this board everyday, but in the places that really matter, people are a lot more upbeat and postive about the outlook going forward.
Did you get to see Sen Jim Webbs rebuttal to the State of the Union address? He is a former republican who had enough and wants to help fix the country.
I think Bush and buddies have lost their strangle hold on this country finally.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:12 pmShoes, they might have trouble with, given colors, sizes, styles and such.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:15 pmSnake oil, now THAT's something those weasels are experts at.
Not much of a market, but they could try to sell it at church bazaars and such, you know, to gullible suckers...
John Kerry just announced he will not seek the White House, BECAUSE he intends to take all available actions to 1) prevent the apparent spread of the war to Iran, and to 2) end the conflict in Iraq.
He made it quite clear that this was in part a reflection of his longstanding commitment to stop further Vietnam wars, and also his deep regret about voting Bush additional powers (though that vote was clearly a pro forma, given Gw's illegal gov't).
The Boston Globe spins it that he was afraid of facing Hillary, but Senator Kerry made it clear that rather than have to be in campaign mode and limit his speech for that reason, that his work in the Senate will be forthright and unimpacted by such 'local' political needs.
Bravo, Senator. Putting the nation first, again. Bravo.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:15 pmSpudge_Boy
Hopefully it will result in impeachment. Right now the big important thing with Bush is making sure he never, ever happens again, and the only way to do that, is to try the man for his crimes and his failures. The precedent set by Ford pardoning Nixon does not need to be re-affirmed, president should not be above the law.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI agree Bruce, pardoning Nixon was in the long run a poor idea. Another poor idea is allowing personality cults like the one surrounding Bush to gain control of the united states. I liked Clinton, still do, but I did not, and would not support him the way they support Bush.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pmChuck Hagel is a REAL American who puts aside politics when it comes to such a grave issue like Iraq. I wish he had taken it further by saying " I was sent into the same kind of grinder in Vietnam and to let the same thing happen in Iraq is immoral and is a real threat to our national security".
To spend a Trillion dollars to have our asses handed to us in a country that never attacked us is just a few notches below The Third Reich. We are committing mass murder against the Iraqi's.
We need to get out of there so that someone will emerge as the leader of that country so that Iraq can start getting their act together. Having our brave troops there only adds fuel to the insurgency BIG TIME.
These gloomy forecasts of the entire Middle East exploding into a regional civil war if we redeploy our troops is Military Industrial Complex propogranda.
Chuck Hagel understands that Bush is leading us down the same path that LBJ took during Vietnam. Rumsfeld the equal of the war criminal Robert McNamara who should be spending his final years in a prison cell.
Robert Gates, the new SOD, is nothing but window dressing for Bush He is a spineless beuracrat who was run right over by Bush/Cheney and whoever The General of the Month is, because if you are a military commander who rejected this escalation, you were put out to pasture. You didn't say "Heil Bush".
Bush and Cheney are both, pure evil.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#29 Bruce Gorton
Right now the big important thing with Bush is making sure he never, ever happens again, and the only way to do that, is to try the man for his crimes and his failures.
That's the point that needs to be driven home with a sledgehammer on the wimpy wing of the Democratic party. Clinton let bygones be bygones with the Iran Contra conspirators and as a result we ended up having the same people back in government under Bush. This time we need to prosecute every one of them to the fullest. And no immunity deals like Ollie North got. Plea bargains maybe, but no immunity. If there aren't serious consequences for someone trying to destroy this country, it's just going to happen again. If the Dems hadn't managed to take back both houses of Congress in November, there would be damned little anyone could do to stop Bush.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:36 pmchimpeach
If the argument comes up again, that America would collapse should such a high-level trial start, then frankly it would mean that it is time for Americans to rise to the fight because that argument is an insult. America is tough, it can survive and it will be stronger for it, and to pretend otherwise is to demean both America's legal system, and America's people.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmGood job for the Chuckster. Lets see where his votes are.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHagel will run for president - wanna bet?
January 24th, 2007 at 4:57 pmHe will win the nomination over McCain, Brownback, Romney and anyone else.
I always like your posts, Bruce Gorton.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:58 pmAt this point, I think an impeachment and trial would benefit Americans, encourage them to pay attention, and revive patriotism, and leave a record for all future presidents that the Constitution will not be sacrificed.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:01 pmA little late but Sen. Hagel finally joins the reality based.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWhy the hell didn't Hagel speak up like this 4 f*cking years ago? Better late than never, but it could have made the difference in >53,000 U.S. casualties and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:25 pm#39 Uncle_Ho
Why the hell didn’t Hagel speak up like this 4 f*cking years ago?
I think it would be worthwhile to read what Chuck Hagel said five years ago:
http://www.mediarelations.k-state.edu/WEB/News/NewsReleases/texthagellandon22403.html
I remember him warning about the problems we'd have with an occupation of Iraq, and the situation he described back then is exactly what Bush got us into. It still doesn't explain why Hagel voted the way he did. But, he did try to warn the White House away from invading Iraq. A couple of excerpts:
...the United States should place its operations in a post-Saddam Iraq under a United Nations umbrella as soon as possible. A conspicuous American occupation force in Iraq or in any Arab or Muslim country would only fuel anti-Americanism, nationalism and resentment. By working through the United Nations, America will neutralize the accusations that a war in Iraq is anti-Muslim or driven by oil or American imperialism.
...a post-Saddam transition in Iraq must focus on security, economic stability and creating the conditions for democratic change. We should put aside the mistaken delusion that democracy is just around the corner. Or that by force of arms we can remove Saddam and simultaneously place Iraq on the path to democracy by overlaying a blueprint for democracy on the region ...
Remember, that was five years ago.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:44 pmHagel has been a critic of the execution of this war for more than two years. He has been bashed here in the right wing paradise of Nebraska ever since...called a traitor, called a political opportunist, and just yesterday, letters to the editor were decrying him for turning his back on his constituents to bash Bush. The fundies/uber rightwingers consider him a RINO...but other than his principled opposition to the Iraq folly, he is as conservative as they get.
He may want to run for higher office, and indeed, he has the cajones to stand up and do what he thinks is best, but he can also expect that if he runs for re-election here, there will be some moronic, neaderthal-minded fundie who will get a lot of votes just cuz the right wingnuts feel he betrayed the cause.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pmChimpeach; thanks for the link. I did not have a computer and internet 4 years ago.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:48 pm"Grinder" -what a great way to succinctly describe the occupation of Iraq.
That is what it is: A big, hot, nasty, soul-robbing meat grinder.
I wish more people like him -in position to make a difference- would have spoken against this illegal, immoral war from the very beginning. Why, they could have voted it down and then brush off the Dear (mis)Leader. So many lives could have been saved.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pm#42 Uncle_Ho
I guess I'm one of those pathetic news junkies. It's just that what he said back then impressed me and it stuck in my head all this time, partly because it was a Republican that was saying it. It seemed like the whole country was headed for the cliff at full speed and there were relatively few people who were standing up and saying "not so fast".
January 24th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI may not agree with him on anything else, but Hagel is absolutely right on this one!
January 24th, 2007 at 6:24 pmIt still doesn’t explain why Hagel voted the way he did. But, he did try to warn the White House away from invading Iraq.
Kind of like Kerry, they authorized the use of force in order to support "the" President but expected certain other things, like diplomacy and keeping Congress informed, to be done as well. Bush misused and betrayed the trust that they placed in him. Trusting him was foolish. Betraying that trust is unconscionable.
January 24th, 2007 at 6:24 pmHagel saw what war is all about....he got a taste of it...and what soldiers felt about politicians then ..and how he felt then himself, is all translated to an anger now. That is what makes him different than those so called war strategists who never seen a war...to them it is like a movie or a reading a book. They are called 'chickenhawks'...
January 24th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWithout Dem control of the senate there would have been no change of heart with repugs. We would be invading IRAN!
January 24th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI just saw on the evening news Hagel's chiding the committee about this vote. He's got mojo and must be putting a huge weed up the admin's ass. What balls. Hear that Dems? Grow some!
January 24th, 2007 at 6:52 pmYeah, but you know who we REALLY owe? Iraqis. We owe them a lot. We owe them a country. We've destroyed it and killed way too many of them. We've ripped apart families and communities and cities. We owe Iraq big time.
January 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmTaking the " safe " Hagel route I see as your Republican pick for President?
Better to have someone to fall back on than flat on your face in 2008 when your candidates self implode I suppose.
And where again did your pick come from?
Republican Party of course
January 24th, 2007 at 8:34 pmI really hope Hagel does not run for President.
January 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI really hope Hagel does not run for President.
Comment by Syd B — January 24, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Why not? With an opposition congress that might work quite well.
Plus, he's not a JESUSMONGERING a$$wipe like GW Botch and Sen. McCaveIN and Sen. Brownback Mountain!!!
January 24th, 2007 at 9:26 pmComment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq
January 24th, 2007 at 9:39 pmComment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq.
January 24th, 2007 at 9:41 pmThank you Sen. Hagel for your passionate appeal to your GOP Senate colleagues to take a stand and say "NO" to Bush. Unfortunately, nine gutless GOP Senators on the Committee voted against Hagel and gave another pass to the White House Madman.
Yesterday and today, we heard from Sen. Webb and Sen. Hagel--two Marine vets who served in Vietnam. Thanks to both of them for bringing a level of sanity and dignity to the "debate" over Bush's escalation of the War.
Can anyone imagine being a GOP Senator sitting on the Committee today and voting against Sen. Hagel's resolution? Shame on the nine cowards who voted to protect Bush and ignore our troops in Bush's hellhole of Iraq.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHagel stands a better chance of being president that you might think....
He has the voting machines vote...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-3.pdf
scroll down the the 2nd page of the file (main page 27)....
January 25th, 2007 at 1:31 amWOW!!! Someone actually said DAMN. Now THATS AMERICA.
January 25th, 2007 at 2:39 amHagel said that the Bush administration asked for authorization to have war in the entire Middle East in 2002... Is this the PNAC plan?..the media seems to give little attention to this. This is important because it means Iraq's WMDS were not the issue..It is about NeoCons PLAN FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY.
January 25th, 2007 at 7:32 amI laugh at all these peolpe saying Hagel was late to the party on Iraq. You might to read the transcript of when he authorized the vote to war. If you read it, you would think he was against it. He warned about all the problems, and was spot on fine years ago on what the probelsm would be. Like a lot of Democrats, he gave the President the benefit of the doubt with his vote. But he has consistently been one of most articulate voices against the policy in Iraq. Disagree with him on other votes, but I salute Chuck Hagel for his principled stand in Iraq. He is not a Johnny-Come-Lately on this issue
January 25th, 2007 at 8:06 amTaking the †safe †Hagel route I see as your Republican pick for President?
Better to have someone to fall back on than flat on your face in 2008 when your candidates self implode I suppose.
And where again did your pick come from?
Republican Party of course
Comment by slippery slope
That should tell you something about the state of the Democratic party these days, even TP is waivering towards Hagel, a Republican.
Look at all the feature stories they do on him. Then ask yourself this basic question.
'" Why is Hagel getting all of this air time on a Dem blog. '"
January 25th, 2007 at 8:59 amwe need to investigate all the corruption in America as far back as ww1. We need to arrest and hold the wealth of all the guilty parties involved in this NWO conspiracy.We need to turn over to the muslim people for trial all the parties involved in this war of greed.We need to put on trial all others involved. No one should be allowed to escape justice in this matter. From A to Z we need to clean house and get back what is ours for the people and by the people.
January 25th, 2007 at 11:16 amWe need to amend the constitution with a law that can never be broken.Stating we will never under any circumstance make or be involved in any war of aggression.We need to find all who undermine the constitution and or the will of the people treasonous. We need to convict and impeach all politicians for breech of contract when they do not keep and go contrary to promises made in there campaigns.We need to ban consolidating the media by privatizing it locally, And limit the size of corporations allowing for mom and pops to compete without being driving out of business by the greedy corporations.We need to governmentize the federal reserve and print a money backed by our gold (and get our gold back into fort knox where it belongs) not by faith and by the government as it was meant to be. We need to bring back our jobs or tax the products being made outside our country by our corporations.We need to close our borders and remove all illegals. We need to get immigration back to the levels pre clintin.And the rules our fathers needed to meet to be citizens must apply to all.We need to give more power to our border agents to enforce our laws in that area. We must allow our border guards to fire back when fired upon and to use any force necessary when confronted by armed incursions onto our sovereign soil. We must end this North American Union ambush.We must stop allowing other countries from dictating how and when we protect our borders.And last but not least we must bann all lobbies to stop the corruption in our government and affecting our foreign affairs and laws. Oh and one last thing We the people decide who how much and when politicians get raises!! Add any thing we can think of from there :-)
January 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pmWE NEED TO ROOAAARRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIt might be because most bloggers on TP are willing to listen to anyone, from any party, who have meaningful things to say. If it seems that the Dems are the ones who get more air time on this blog, it is likely because the Dems just happen to have more meaningful ideas to share...
January 25th, 2007 at 12:17 pmBumper Sticker: "There they go and I must follow them - I'm their leader"
January 25th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#50
Jake, that cannot be said often enough. We owe the Iraqis huge. At the very least we owe them a Hague trial for all of the architects of this tragic misadventure.
January 25th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI don't care if RUMSFELF himself stands up and denounces this war and chides members of the Senate, I'm just glad SOMEONE IN WASHINGTON IS SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. Maybe Hagel realizes his past mistakes or maybe he's a hycocrite, I couldn't care less, that's HIS problem, but I'm glad he's at least speaking up. Now, how about a few more Senators and Congressmen speaking up as well? Where's the courage with all of these nutless wonders? They are going to di*k around and di*k around until Bush has sent all 21,500 troops over to Iraq and REALLY stirred things up with Iran and Syria. Also, what about all of the generals who oppose not only the "surge", but the Iraq war? They would really have some pull IF they raised a little hell, but NOOOOOOOO, they'd lose their precious pensions, and everyone knows THAT'S what's important after all, not young soldiers lives. That's another thing that really yanks my chain; these slackers get into gov't or the military and do a half-a$$ job at best then retire with great pay and all the perks on OUR DIME while the rest of us take it up the a$$ with companies we have been with for 20+ years when they "change their retirement plans." When you work for uncle sam you don't have to worry about that, Joe six-pack will just pay and pay and pay, and if he doesn't, these same gov't entities will have him thrown in jail.
January 25th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWell said Cuda (#63). I wish I had a an hour of prime time on t.v. to say that. I wonder why those who do have that time, do not.... Do any of us here really believe it is "simple politics"? Something really f'd up is going on that we don't know about, and it isn't the normal sort of corruption. I believe it is worse than it appears, and worse than W. by a long shot.... We are in serious shit creek without a toothpick.
January 26th, 2007 at 1:20 amPerhaps it's time the war for liberation came home...
January 26th, 2007 at 10:07 amYou people saying "Chuck, where were you three years ago" are just completely uninformed. Chuck warned us, but nobody listened to him. Check out this speech he gave on the senate floor in 2002.
http://authforce.liberatedtext.org/021009/cr09oc02-79_04HagelDodd.html
January 26th, 2007 at 10:27 amRep. RON PAUL is the other sane republican in the US Congress. He too is running for Prez.
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