Comments on: Hagel Chides Colleagues On Iraq Vote: ‘If You Wanted A Safe Job, Go Sell Shoes’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:50:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: liberalcollegekid.com » Hagel Hath Seen the Light http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-2702451 liberalcollegekid.com » Hagel Hath Seen the Light Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:58:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-2702451 [...] a great day. Chuck Hagel, R - Nebraska, came out today on the side of the Democrats on the Senate’s Iraq vote. Hagel said of his [...] [...] a great day. Chuck Hagel, R – Nebraska, came out today on the side of the Democrats on the Senate’s Iraq vote. Hagel said of his [...]

]]> By: dylan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1556845 dylan Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:28:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1556845 Rep. RON PAUL is the other sane republican in the US Congress. He too is running for Prez. Rep. RON PAUL is the other sane republican in the US Congress. He too is running for Prez.

]]> By: Peyton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1537036 Peyton Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:27:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1537036 You people saying "Chuck, where were you three years ago" are just completely uninformed. Chuck warned us, but nobody listened to him. Check out this speech he gave on the senate floor in 2002. http://authforce.liberatedtext.org/021009/cr09oc02-79_04HagelDodd.html You people saying “Chuck, where were you three years ago” are just completely uninformed. Chuck warned us, but nobody listened to him. Check out this speech he gave on the senate floor in 2002.

http://authforce.liberatedtext.org/021009/cr09oc02-79_04HagelDodd.html

]]> By: STEVEN BATUG http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1536925 STEVEN BATUG Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:07:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1536925 Perhaps it's time the war for liberation came home... Perhaps it’s time the war for liberation came home…

]]> By: Arn http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1531186 Arn Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:20:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1531186 Well said Cuda (#63). I wish I had a an hour of prime time on t.v. to say that. I wonder why those who do have that time, do not.... Do any of us here really believe it is "simple politics"? Something really f'd up is going on that we don't know about, and it isn't the normal sort of corruption. I believe it is worse than it appears, and worse than W. by a long shot.... We are in serious shit creek without a toothpick. Well said Cuda (#63). I wish I had a an hour of prime time on t.v. to say that. I wonder why those who do have that time, do not…. Do any of us here really believe it is “simple politics”? Something really f’d up is going on that we don’t know about, and it isn’t the normal sort of corruption. I believe it is worse than it appears, and worse than W. by a long shot…. We are in serious shit creek without a toothpick.

]]> By: nikolai http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1529912 nikolai Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:54:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1529912 I don't care if RUMSFELF himself stands up and denounces this war and chides members of the Senate, I'm just glad SOMEONE IN WASHINGTON IS SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. Maybe Hagel realizes his past mistakes or maybe he's a hycocrite, I couldn't care less, that's HIS problem, but I'm glad he's at least speaking up. Now, how about a few more Senators and Congressmen speaking up as well? Where's the courage with all of these nutless wonders? They are going to di*k around and di*k around until Bush has sent all 21,500 troops over to Iraq and REALLY stirred things up with Iran and Syria. Also, what about all of the generals who oppose not only the "surge", but the Iraq war? They would really have some pull IF they raised a little hell, but NOOOOOOOO, they'd lose their precious pensions, and everyone knows THAT'S what's important after all, not young soldiers lives. That's another thing that really yanks my chain; these slackers get into gov't or the military and do a half-a$$ job at best then retire with great pay and all the perks on OUR DIME while the rest of us take it up the a$$ with companies we have been with for 20+ years when they "change their retirement plans." When you work for uncle sam you don't have to worry about that, Joe six-pack will just pay and pay and pay, and if he doesn't, these same gov't entities will have him thrown in jail. I don’t care if RUMSFELF himself stands up and denounces this war and chides members of the Senate, I’m just glad SOMEONE IN WASHINGTON IS SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. Maybe Hagel realizes his past mistakes or maybe he’s a hycocrite, I couldn’t care less, that’s HIS problem, but I’m glad he’s at least speaking up. Now, how about a few more Senators and Congressmen speaking up as well? Where’s the courage with all of these nutless wonders? They are going to di*k around and di*k around until Bush has sent all 21,500 troops over to Iraq and REALLY stirred things up with Iran and Syria. Also, what about all of the generals who oppose not only the “surge”, but the Iraq war? They would really have some pull IF they raised a little hell, but NOOOOOOOO, they’d lose their precious pensions, and everyone knows THAT’S what’s important after all, not young soldiers lives. That’s another thing that really yanks my chain; these slackers get into gov’t or the military and do a half-a$$ job at best then retire with great pay and all the perks on OUR DIME while the rest of us take it up the a$$ with companies we have been with for 20+ years when they “change their retirement plans.” When you work for uncle sam you don’t have to worry about that, Joe six-pack will just pay and pay and pay, and if he doesn’t, these same gov’t entities will have him thrown in jail.

]]> By: FOIA Gras http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1526196 FOIA Gras Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:15:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1526196 #50 Jake, that cannot be said often enough. We owe the Iraqis huge. At the very least we owe them a Hague trial for all of the architects of this tragic misadventure. #50

Jake, that cannot be said often enough. We owe the Iraqis huge. At the very least we owe them a Hague trial for all of the architects of this tragic misadventure.

]]> By: wills http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1526126 wills Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:52:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1526126 Bumper Sticker: "There they go and I must follow them - I'm their leader" Bumper Sticker: “There they go and I must follow them – I’m their leader”

]]> By: curious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1525457 curious Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:17:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1525457 <blockquote>‘” Why is Hagel getting all of this air time on a Dem blog. ‘” Comment by Frank Massingham — January 25, 2007 @ 8:59 am</blockquote> It might be because most bloggers on TP are willing to listen to anyone, from any party, who have meaningful things to say. If it seems that the Dems are the ones who get more air time on this blog, it is likely because the Dems just happen to have more meaningful ideas to share...

‘” Why is Hagel getting all of this air time on a Dem blog. ‘”

Comment by Frank Massingham — January 25, 2007 @ 8:59 am

It might be because most bloggers on TP are willing to listen to anyone, from any party, who have meaningful things to say. If it seems that the Dems are the ones who get more air time on this blog, it is likely because the Dems just happen to have more meaningful ideas to share…

]]> By: cuda http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1525450 cuda Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:16:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1525450 WE NEED TO ROOAAARRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED TO ROOAAARRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: cuda http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1525431 cuda Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:11:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1525431 We need to amend the constitution with a law that can never be broken.Stating we will never under any circumstance make or be involved in any war of aggression.We need to find all who undermine the constitution and or the will of the people treasonous. We need to convict and impeach all politicians for breech of contract when they do not keep and go contrary to promises made in there campaigns.We need to ban consolidating the media by privatizing it locally, And limit the size of corporations allowing for mom and pops to compete without being driving out of business by the greedy corporations.We need to governmentize the federal reserve and print a money backed by our gold (and get our gold back into fort knox where it belongs) not by faith and by the government as it was meant to be. We need to bring back our jobs or tax the products being made outside our country by our corporations.We need to close our borders and remove all illegals. We need to get immigration back to the levels pre clintin.And the rules our fathers needed to meet to be citizens must apply to all.We need to give more power to our border agents to enforce our laws in that area. We must allow our border guards to fire back when fired upon and to use any force necessary when confronted by armed incursions onto our sovereign soil. We must end this North American Union ambush.We must stop allowing other countries from dictating how and when we protect our borders.And last but not least we must bann all lobbies to stop the corruption in our government and affecting our foreign affairs and laws. Oh and one last thing We the people decide who how much and when politicians get raises!! Add any thing we can think of from there :-) We need to amend the constitution with a law that can never be broken.Stating we will never under any circumstance make or be involved in any war of aggression.We need to find all who undermine the constitution and or the will of the people treasonous. We need to convict and impeach all politicians for breech of contract when they do not keep and go contrary to promises made in there campaigns.We need to ban consolidating the media by privatizing it locally, And limit the size of corporations allowing for mom and pops to compete without being driving out of business by the greedy corporations.We need to governmentize the federal reserve and print a money backed by our gold (and get our gold back into fort knox where it belongs) not by faith and by the government as it was meant to be. We need to bring back our jobs or tax the products being made outside our country by our corporations.We need to close our borders and remove all illegals. We need to get immigration back to the levels pre clintin.And the rules our fathers needed to meet to be citizens must apply to all.We need to give more power to our border agents to enforce our laws in that area. We must allow our border guards to fire back when fired upon and to use any force necessary when confronted by armed incursions onto our sovereign soil. We must end this North American Union ambush.We must stop allowing other countries from dictating how and when we protect our borders.And last but not least we must bann all lobbies to stop the corruption in our government and affecting our foreign affairs and laws. Oh and one last thing We the people decide who how much and when politicians get raises!! Add any thing we can think of from there :-)

]]> By: cuda http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1525163 cuda Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:16:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1525163 we need to investigate all the corruption in America as far back as ww1. We need to arrest and hold the wealth of all the guilty parties involved in this NWO conspiracy.We need to turn over to the muslim people for trial all the parties involved in this war of greed.We need to put on trial all others involved. No one should be allowed to escape justice in this matter. From A to Z we need to clean house and get back what is ours for the people and by the people. we need to investigate all the corruption in America as far back as ww1. We need to arrest and hold the wealth of all the guilty parties involved in this NWO conspiracy.We need to turn over to the muslim people for trial all the parties involved in this war of greed.We need to put on trial all others involved. No one should be allowed to escape justice in this matter. From A to Z we need to clean house and get back what is ours for the people and by the people.

]]> By: Frank Massingham http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1524421 Frank Massingham Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:59:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1524421 Taking the ” safe ” Hagel route I see as your Republican pick for President? Better to have someone to fall back on than flat on your face in 2008 when your candidates self implode I suppose. And where again did your pick come from? Republican Party of course Comment by slippery slope That should tell you something about the state of the Democratic party these days, even TP is waivering towards Hagel, a Republican. Look at all the feature stories they do on him. Then ask yourself this basic question. '" Why is Hagel getting all of this air time on a Dem blog. '" Taking the ” safe ” Hagel route I see as your Republican pick for President?

Better to have someone to fall back on than flat on your face in 2008 when your candidates self implode I suppose.

And where again did your pick come from?

Republican Party of course

Comment by slippery slope

That should tell you something about the state of the Democratic party these days, even TP is waivering towards Hagel, a Republican.

Look at all the feature stories they do on him. Then ask yourself this basic question.

‘” Why is Hagel getting all of this air time on a Dem blog. ‘”

]]> By: AJM http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1524207 AJM Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:06:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1524207 I laugh at all these peolpe saying Hagel was late to the party on Iraq. You might to read the transcript of when he authorized the vote to war. If you read it, you would think he was against it. He warned about all the problems, and was spot on fine years ago on what the probelsm would be. Like a lot of Democrats, he gave the President the benefit of the doubt with his vote. But he has consistently been one of most articulate voices against the policy in Iraq. Disagree with him on other votes, but I salute Chuck Hagel for his principled stand in Iraq. He is not a Johnny-Come-Lately on this issue I laugh at all these peolpe saying Hagel was late to the party on Iraq. You might to read the transcript of when he authorized the vote to war. If you read it, you would think he was against it. He warned about all the problems, and was spot on fine years ago on what the probelsm would be. Like a lot of Democrats, he gave the President the benefit of the doubt with his vote. But he has consistently been one of most articulate voices against the policy in Iraq. Disagree with him on other votes, but I salute Chuck Hagel for his principled stand in Iraq. He is not a Johnny-Come-Lately on this issue

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1524073 tarazan Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:32:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1524073 Hagel said that the Bush administration asked for authorization to have war in the entire Middle East in 2002... Is this the PNAC plan?..the media seems to give little attention to this. This is important because it means Iraq's WMDS were not the issue..It is about NeoCons PLAN FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. Hagel said that the Bush administration asked for authorization to have war in the entire Middle East in 2002… Is this the PNAC plan?..the media seems to give little attention to this. This is important because it means Iraq’s WMDS were not the issue..It is about NeoCons PLAN FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY.

]]> By: spoodley 420 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1522401 spoodley 420 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:39:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1522401 WOW!!! Someone actually said DAMN. Now THATS AMERICA. WOW!!! Someone actually said DAMN. Now THATS AMERICA.

]]> By: Whitey HermAphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1522227 Whitey HermAphrodite Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:31:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1522227 Hagel stands a better chance of being president that you might think.... He has the voting machines vote... http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-3.pdf scroll down the the 2nd page of the file (main page 27).... Hagel stands a better chance of being president that you might think….

He has the voting machines vote…

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-3.pdf

scroll down the the 2nd page of the file (main page 27)….

]]> By: Outraged in Louisville http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1521921 Outraged in Louisville Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:56:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1521921 Thank you Sen. Hagel for your passionate appeal to your GOP Senate colleagues to take a stand and say "NO" to Bush. Unfortunately, nine gutless GOP Senators on the Committee voted against Hagel and gave another pass to the White House Madman. Yesterday and today, we heard from Sen. Webb and Sen. Hagel--two Marine vets who served in Vietnam. Thanks to both of them for bringing a level of sanity and dignity to the "debate" over Bush's escalation of the War. Can anyone imagine being a GOP Senator sitting on the Committee today and voting against Sen. Hagel's resolution? Shame on the nine cowards who voted to protect Bush and ignore our troops in Bush's hellhole of Iraq. Thank you Sen. Hagel for your passionate appeal to your GOP Senate colleagues to take a stand and say “NO” to Bush. Unfortunately, nine gutless GOP Senators on the Committee voted against Hagel and gave another pass to the White House Madman.

Yesterday and today, we heard from Sen. Webb and Sen. Hagel–two Marine vets who served in Vietnam. Thanks to both of them for bringing a level of sanity and dignity to the “debate” over Bush’s escalation of the War.

Can anyone imagine being a GOP Senator sitting on the Committee today and voting against Sen. Hagel’s resolution? Shame on the nine cowards who voted to protect Bush and ignore our troops in Bush’s hellhole of Iraq.

]]> By: Syd B http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1520378 Syd B Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:41:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1520378 Comment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq. Comment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq.

]]> By: Syd B http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-1520371 Syd B Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:39:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/hagel-chides-colleagues-on-iraq-vote-%e2%80%98if-you-wanted-a-safe-job-go-sell-shoes%e2%80%99/#comment-1520371 Comment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq Comment by dixie blood — January 24, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

Why not? because he could get elected and his conservative voting record will make progressive quickly forget about his right words now on iraq

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