‘Tens of thousands’ turn out to protest Iraq escalation.
By on Jan 27th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
‘Tens of thousands’ turn out to protest Iraq escalation.
“The event drew demonstrators from across the country, and many said that in addition to taking their discontent to the streets they planned to press members of Congress to oppose the war.” Nearly 70 percent of the American public opposes President Bush’s plan to send more U.S. troops to Iraq.
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I wish I was there. I’m there in spirit : to say no to Dumbya’s Illegal War.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThat little dark-headed girl just to the left of the sign is our Grand-daughter, a student at GWU. Granny and I bought the pizza for her crowd. It is refreshing to see young ones still interested in politics and eager to have a voice. There may be hope for our Country after all!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmFantastic! Thanks, Faiz!
I’m with you, Kurt. In DC, in spirit.
Trolls in 3….2…..1…
January 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmNow that the Republicans are starting to break ranks with Bush, you have to wonder how long Laura and Barney are going to continue to support George?
January 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmMe, too! I was there in spirit and not in the flesh. It’s refreshing to discover that we are so “kindred” in our sense of morality and desire to bring this war to a close. Kudos to those who were able to attend. Perhaps we need to keep doing this in order to keep the pressure cooker cooking!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:29 pmGW Botch will call these protesters “supporterers” of the “tourist” and do whatever the hell he pleases.
GW Botch MUST BE impeached!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI think I see Uncle Ho!
Heh.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:31 pmIn the NYT article, I love it that they call GWB — Mr Bush. :-D
January 27th, 2007 at 5:32 pmGW Botch MUST BE impeached!!!
Comment by dixie blood
Dennis Kucinich is hinting at just that
January 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pmJust want to say Thank You to TP for the post.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pmKinda refreshing, having someone around on a Saturday late afternoon/early evening.
not cool to hijack anyones name, even if it is a troll’s.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIt puts you on their level. Why look for trouble?
Dennis Kucinich is hinting at just that
Comment by trueblue — January 27, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
I read that link this a.m. and my heart fluttered.
I’m tired of dancing around this issue though. GW Botch will not listen anyone but the voices in his ph*ching head or Dick(head) Chainsaw!!
These bastards must be impeached. NOW!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pm“Now we know our leaders either lied to us, or hid the truth. Because of our actions, the world sees us as a bully and a liar.”
January 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmProtest speaker Moriah Arnold
(pulled from the CBS news website article)
Well put
And just for the record, in my humble opinion, it is precisely this pattern of deceit and bullyish exploitation that has caused the United States of America to become the target of terrorist attacks…..
Impeach the bastard!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pm“How long will we have to sing this song?”
true,
I’m not sure it’s been hijacked…ew.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhen I was in school they used to call me snail trail because of the slime my gaping gash would leave everywhere I went! I tried putting a spud in there to stem the flow but it got all greasy and shot out giving my girlfriend a concsussion and a black eye!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by trueblue — January 27, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
true,
That’s our new friend Joanie Hoe, not Joanie Doe.
Welcome Miss Hoe!! Post all you like! I love you.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:48 pmComment by Zooey — January 27, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Oh, ick.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:50 pmNothing is worse than a troll off their meds.
I was there – a large crowd full of young, old, black, white, Arab, Latino, gay, and straight, active military and veterans, and it was wonderful to see so many people united under for one cause – to bring this illegal war to and end. I loved the constant chants of Impeach Bush!!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThat is just nasty, Zooey and Dixie.
When did that thing show up?
January 27th, 2007 at 5:51 pmone time i went to walmart and nearly got sued because one of my feet, I call my lips feet, like on a snail, got loose and was dragging the floor behjnd me causing people to slip and fall! I know you would think I would have felt it rubbing my inner thigh but I am so bowlegged I never felt a thing!
January 27th, 2007 at 5:52 pmJust got an IM from Zoo Jr. He just got back from a war protest in Coeur d’Alene. That’s deepest darkest red Idaho, folks.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhile we protest in person and spirit : I wonder what Provocation Dumbya and BushCO. are planning to get us into a THIRD war (Iran)?
This CHIMP and Darth Cheney must both be impeached and tried for crimes against Humanity!
Bring the Troops Home and Stop this Madness. This Fiasco in Iraq has gone on and on and on longer than World War II.
Is Chimpie planning WWIII?
Are the Bush daughter going to be in the aircraft over Iran with the bombs or are they going to whoring around in South America?
January 27th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhen did that thing show up?
Comment by trueblue
Exactly 11 minutes after I predicted it. :P
January 27th, 2007 at 5:55 pmKen in DC,
Question: The organizers put the number @ 400,000.
MSM says, “Tens of thousands”.
Which would you think more correct, in your opinion?
I wish I had gone and shared in the experience.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:57 pmZoo Jr tells me he almost got arrested at the protest for telling a cop to go f*ck himself, after the cop told him to put his sign down. The cop pulled out his handcuffs, and Jr’s best friend, a lovely young lesbian, ripped off her shirt, flashed everyone on the street, and ran away. The cop followed her, and Jr got away.
I’m a proud mama!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:00 pmGod I wish I had been there…
January 27th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBush works for the Likud Party. His father, Poppy, did a deal with Likud during the Clinton Administration to ensnare Clinton in a tryst with a Mossad “Swallow” (Monica) in order to ensure GHW’s control of the agenda going forward. Poppy did a deal with the devil to bring down an American President using a foreign spy service to do it. This is called a CONSPIRACY. GHW Bush, Cheney and Ken Lay then conspired to create the California Energy Crisis in the year prior to the elections in order to set the stage for the OIL EXPERTS to take the White House in 2000. The Co-Conspirators then set their sites on working together to pull off their agenda, using elements of Poppy’s CIA and Likud’s Mossad to plan and implement 9/11 – the PNAC proscribed PRETEXT for the acquisition of the resources and territory of the Middle East. One Problem. Israel double-crossed the Bush Cabal and is blackmailing them BIG TIME. Israel controls everything inside the US. They have every single phone wiretapped and have their software running every vital system. Israel actually controls the launch and targeting codes of the entire US Nuclear arsenal. Chertoff controls Homeland security on Israel’s behalf. He is Mossad. Cheney ran the 9/11 operation, and used Mossad operatives to pull it off. Then Israel threatened to expose the Bush Administration’s role in it unless Bush and the rest of his cabal did exactly as Israel demands. Bottom line – Israel owns the United States – thanks to GHW Bush. None of this is speculation. These are facts.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:06 pmGotta go, Terry Gross is making her live radio debut on “Prairie Home Companion”
January 27th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThis oughta be good!
Kurt,
Check into peace groups in your area. There may be protests going on close to you, and you don’t even know it.
The protest my son was in is 3000 miles away from DC.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:09 pmIt is always hard to tell, but definitely over 100K. Would not doubt the 400K number….
January 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Zooey — January 27, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
What happened to the “lovely young lesbian?” I hope and pray she is free and safe tonight!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pmZooey,
January 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pmTell me that’s a joke….
If not, that is awesome!
dixie,
Yep, she got away. She’s a quick little thing.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:13 pmI am sure the terrorists are looking at this picture and celebrating too.
What a hodge podge of misfits and malcontents.
I am in full doubt as to your numbers too.
400,000?
Hardly.
More like about 10,000 and they were all told to huddle close before the pic was snapped in front of the White House.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmTrue,
Twenty times tens of thousands equals 400,000 at a minimum. The exact number, if over one, is immaterial, inconsequential, and irrelevant. The important part is that they were there and we were there with them in spirit. We all shared in the experience and are doing so now by sharing our thoughts and emotions. Granny and I shared through our Granddaughter, Zooey shared through her son, Ken in DC was there and I am sure he will share with us. It is the beginning, or the second step of the beginning since November. It is ironic that the words of Reverend King are so appropriate to the MAJORITY of our Country: “We shall overcome!”
January 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIf the Chimp keeps ignoring us Americans, the hell with it LET’S UNITE AND KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:18 pmTell me that’s a joke….
If not, that is awesome!
Comment by trueblue
I shit you not, true. Zoo Jr is still telling me about all the stuff they did. He’s totally psyched!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFriends : is the comment by ace — true?
I know, in my heart, 9/11 was a Classic Case of State Sponsored Terrorism (false flag) — and I have read books about this.
The World Trade towers couldn’t have Defied Physics and come down the way they did — without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
The Military Standown that day could not have ocurred without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:19 pmbefore the pic was snapped in front of the White House.
Comment by Joanie Doe — January 27, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
That’s the Capitol Building.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:19 pmWish I could have been there. Hope Uncle Ho will give us a full report when he returns.
Nothing about this on CNN’s website…. Figures. They snubbed covering the protesters earlier this month, even though they nearly drowned out Suzanne Malveaux’s report.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmKurt,
Careful, you’ll get deleted. TP is not the place to discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories. Sorry.
It’s not that I agree with TP’s policy, just FYI.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:23 pm#35 J. Doe
Sorry to burst your bubble but Granny and I bought pizza for 123,456. And those were just friends of our Granddaughter. A review of the area from a satellite photograph using GPS coordinates to calculate the total area and a medium to heavy density of average Citizens provided by the National weather service puts the estimated total at 654,001 plus 100,000 minus zero.
The one was Karl Rove looking for Zoo Junior’s lesbian friend.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThe World Trade towers couldn’t have Defied Physics and come down the way they did — without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
Comment by Kurt — January 27, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
The towers did not defy physics. Buildings only ever fall upon themselves because they are too large to tip over (that’s a fact of physics).
If people think buildings cannot fail under these circumstances (they can and they did), then they could be led to a sense of false security in super-skyscrapers that may prove as disasterous as what occured on 9/11. There’s no reason to make buildings that tall. And saying they are safe in the event of an emergency endangers those who inhabit them.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pmNothing about this on CNN’s website…. Figures. They snubbed covering the protesters earlier this month, even though they nearly drowned out Suzanne Malveaux’s report.
Comment by unbelievable — January 27, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
The WORTHLESS MSM have ignored the war protests all around the world from DAY 1 of the run up to the OIL and BANK grab I call the Botch War!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pmCBS is headlining it as a Mass Protest!!!!!!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe one was Karl Rove looking for Zoo Junior’s lesbian friend.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Priceless, Clyde.
He’ll be looking for a long time. It’ll keep him busy…
January 27th, 2007 at 6:31 pmKurt,
Steel loses half of it’s strength at 1800 Fahrenheit, it doesn’t melt, it just bends. It’s like heating up an abba zabba in a microwave before you eat it so it doesn’t feel like you’re chewing on glass. It’s more than possible, and please, don’t give the administration credit for an act that would, if actually conspired by the government, be the most genius, evil plot in the history of American politics.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThe WORTHLESS MSM have ignored the war protests all around the world from DAY 1 of the run up to the OIL and BANK grab I call the Botch War!!!
Comment by dixie blood — January 27, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
And then they wonder why we are at our computers instead of our idiot boxes…
CNN now has pop-up ads. Pretty clear where their loyalties lie…
January 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThe World Trade towers couldn’t have Defied Physics and come down the way they did — without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
Comment by Kurt
The falling of the towers are the least of suspicious events around 9/11. Nobody could make a cell phone call on a movin plane. (Ok, I will shut up…)
January 27th, 2007 at 6:36 pmSorry to burst your bubble but Granny and I bought pizza for 123,456.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Whaa? You really did?
I wanted to ask about the picture comment, because I couldn’t make anyone out. You’ve got great eyes.
(along with your big heart…)
Thanks also for your sentiments in post #36.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:37 pmYou know all the marching and preparation of the antiwar crowd in the world is not going to accomplish one single thing. The war will continue.
People will continue to die. And the American public will CONTINUE to refuse to march and protest. The reason being this, the general public doesn`t believe in the antiwar movement anymore because of the bad name and the bad press it has recieved recently by the likes of people like Cindy Sheehan.
They the public, looked like they were really going to be all for this antiwar movement. In the beginning.
Then along came Cindy Sheehan, what with her interview crashing – breaking and screaming style, and sent the whole movement back to the Stone Age. The whole antiwar movement needs to change its image and stop looking like a troup of malcontents and misfits generally gathered together for a good time and “golden oldies music” rather than the true intent of the protest. To stop this war.
If you want the war to continue, by all means, continue to associate yourselves with and sing the praises of Cindy Sheehan and her group. There seems to be no antivenom to counter the effects of a Cindy Sheehna endorsement. And people will continue to die.
The only thing to come out of todays antiwar protests?
More dead troops and civilians and alot of headcolds.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:38 pmComment by Juan C — January 27, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Let’s impeach AG the AG first. See who and what he gives up going down. And watch the Justice Department kick him to the curb!!!
Then we impeach Dick(head) Chainsaw. We will learn nothing from him about 9/11. We will stop him from becoming President!!!
So we move on the GW Botch. My guess is that he rolls over and crys like a baby to avoid trial at The Hague!!! Or an assassination by the CIA!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pmbought pizza for 123,456.
Hey, just caught that.
Reminds me of something BF Skinner wrote:
“We’ll toss a die 1000 times. I calculate that the odds are one to three for fives sixes in a row.
How many people reading that sentence aloud will discover that they have been counting 1-2-3-4-5-6?“
Anyway, back to the discussion…
January 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pmNobody could make a cell phone call on a movin plane. (Ok, I will shut up…)
Comment by Juan C — January 27, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Depends on several factors. At lower altitudes and speeds, the signals can pass through the glass windows (glass is actually a porous suspended-state liquid), just as they do the glass in your car or home, and reach the radio relay antennae that they employ.
“Ordinary glass partially blocks UVA (wavelength between 400 and 300 nm) and completely blocks UVC and UVB (wavelengths shorter than 300 nm) due to the addition of compounds such as soda ash (sodium carbonate).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass
“Cell phones in the U.S. operate at around 800MHz and PCS phones at 1900MHz: classified as UHF and low energy microwaves respectively.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_strength
January 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pm#52 I believe you got one things wrong – it’s not the anti-war protestors who look like a group of “misfits”, it’s your own group of Rethugs – the GOP – who are now the true “misfits” with the moral majority of americans absolutely repudiating all that THEY stand for and embracing marches like today’s. I think you need to do some statistical homework and get honest with yourself.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#52 (troll?) P.S. The only possible thing to come from Bush’s “troop surge” is more dead american soldiers, my friend! This march will blow up in your face as it will be the catalyst behind which our youth will join their voices in chastisement of all that is corrupt with this administration. The truth will prevail and they will all be impeached and held for war crimes. The time is coming…..and the march will go on…..and on……and on.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmHola -What a great picture: tens upon thousands of “PATRIOTS” standing in front of the capital. This is a sight that no one could possibly ignore and the significence of this many people coming together for a single cause is mind-boggling. Over seventy percent of the American people want the war to end, George. Laura and Barney are your only friends. Not even your own father thinks you are doing what is the right thing, and he’s an ex-spook. So, give up the lame-ass ghost, Bush!
January 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#51 True
I took just a bit of literary license. I have no idea where our Granddaughter is, except she was leaving the dorm for the rally when we last spoke. I suspect our pizza bill will be for somewhat less than I described as her friends told her not to have Granny pay for the pizza because she (Granny) may be good for a plane ticket home instead. Just took a batch of homemade smoked chorizo (Mexican sausage) out of the smoker. To hell with pizza, down with DUHbya, chorizo here we come.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#57- Joanie Doe is a fascist wanna-be who is having a fun time pretending to be doing some sort of a private little experiment. Ignore the slime and it will go away, sooner or later. There’s other, more interesting fish in the sea.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmClyde,
January 27th, 2007 at 7:06 pmYeah, I finally caught that – post #54.
You and Granny are wonderful grandparents.
It’s the rachel troll, ya’ll. Please don’t poke it.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:06 pm#60 I thought so because how can anyone with even a room temperature IQ not realize that tens of thousands (and now some astounding percentage of americans) make this demonstration of monumental proportions and not easy to brush aside. I suspect that Joanie Doe is a perv troll or a paid troll because their comments are so off the mark. It’s clear that they are sleazy slime and disgusting vermin sent here to attempt to disrupt the thread. Thanks for the info.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:08 pmthanks, zooey! I thought it might be that cross-dresser Rachel! ahahahah!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmComment by Zooey — January 27, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
That’s what I was thinking…Walk around it, then run like hell!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmI saw some of the video today and I am so sorry I wasn’t there. We were there in September 2004 and I remember it with fond memories. Spent three days there and saw some sights too.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:10 pmWe know Bush will say they are a “focus group” and dismiss them, because the decider is the decision-maker and the rest of us can just go away — he’s in charge.
He’s not listening – he will have to be forced out. Will Congress do it or will we have to storm the White House?
#2 CtR
January 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pmNice going!
I estimate that about 250,000 showed up at the protest rally in DC. The corporate press will deny that number and say the rally was small, but they claimed the Anti-Abortion rally had 200,000 when actually no more than 20,000 took part.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:13 pmCnn did have coverage early this morning….Saw 2 15 minute segmant’s before 1P.M. pacific time…They showed the crowd’s and lot’s of sign’s and then several street’s leading up to the larger crowd that were lined with pro and anti war..Very few war monger’s BTW…
How about some complaint’s on this terrible child ,porn, troll….Disgusting..I sent an email to TP can every one else…..
Bravo to all the marchers and their supporter’s….Blessings
January 27th, 2007 at 7:14 pmThanks to TP for the post on the massive demo today in DC. Thanks to everyone who was there. Many, many hundreds of thousands of us could not make it to DC today, but we were there in solidarity. In Louisville KY, we had two large street rallies. One was an intersection event and one sign said “Honk to Impeach.” The sound of the car horns was deafening. The tide has turned in the heartland.
One car pulled up and a man screamed out, “If it wasn’t for George Bush, you m….. f…… wouldn’t be here.”
Duh. I think you’re right, sir.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:16 pm“If it wasn’t for George Bush, you m….. f…… wouldn’t be here.â€
Duh. I think you’re right, sir.
Comment by Outraged in Louisville
Now that’s funny.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWhy is everyone angry?
January 27th, 2007 at 7:20 pmPeople will continue to die. And the American public will CONTINUE to refuse to march and protest. The reason being this, the general public doesn`t believe in the antiwar movement anymore because of the bad name and the bad press it has recieved recently by the likes of people like Cindy Sheehan.
Comment by Joanie Doe — January 27, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
There was a counter protest where about 10 people showed up. Americans don’t support warmongering.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:20 pmSome passersby are always screaming out stupid comments at marches, ralies and vigils — most people, however, are supportive.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWe, who didn’t make it to DC today, are with all those marchers in spirit.
This war has to end. Very disappointing in the MSM coverage of the protest march; although I am not surprised. They spend more time on Hillary and Giuliani than they do on what Americans want to see and hear.
Why is everyone angry?
Comment by Genovese — January 27, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
BECAUSE WE ARE INTELLIGENT AND PH*CKING CARE!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pmHow about some complaint’s on this terrible child ,porn, troll….Disgusting..I sent an email to TP can every one else…..
Bravo to all the marchers and their supporter’s….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
Are you perhaps referring to me having anything to do with childporn?
Since I seem to be the only one referred to as a troll here on this thread I am assuming you are addressing me.
I am not into porn of any kind. If this is some kind of a setup brought on by your own Sharon Cox, then I feel sorry for you and the people here who knowingly or unknowingly associate with such scum.
Good day maam.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWho’s angry? I’m happy as hell!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmBush Worships A God Of War And 250,000 Protest Iraq War In DC
Saturday 27th of January 2007
by Jay Randal
While President George W. Bush the self-proclaimed “Decision-Maker” escalates the Iraq Fiasco War, with a troop surge, a massive Anti Iraq War Rally took place in our nation’s capital to try to end the debacle.
The crowd of about 250,000 patriot protesters flocked to Washington, DC, to send a message to the Congress that the heinous quagmire in Iraq must be ended and all the troops brought back home to their loved ones.
Congressional Reps Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters, John Conyers, and Lynn Woolsey gave rousing speeches against the Iraq occupation, and Rev. Jesse Jackson fired up the crowd of patriots to peacefully fight war.
Hollywood celebrities Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins gave passionate speeches, and veterans of Vietnam War, Persian Gulf War, and present Iraq War called for the killing to stop in Iraq.
Everybody at Rally demands the Congress to end Iraq Fiasco War!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Danny Glover gave a good speech at the Rally too.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:33 pmcomment deleted
January 27th, 2007 at 7:35 pmLovely to see the CONCERN TROLL Joanie here.
Wave to all the dead bodies.
“And the image that the antiwar movement has now, thanks to Cindy Sheehan, is dismal.”
Cindy Sheehan is a Gold Star Mother.
You can shut your face.
The truth has an image. The antiwar movement has been right all the way down the line with this illegal invasion. Therefore, the ‘image’ of the antiwar movement is the truth. If you are a bigot, or if your friends are bigots, explain why it is that you are the arbiter of the truth? Because YOU’RE WRONG?
We stand by the Gold Star Mothers, by Cindy Sheehan — who has sacrificed more for her country than you, more than Gw had any right to demand, more than our Constitution allows.
NO PERSON ABOVE THE LAW.
That’s the truth, and it has an image, and that image is our Constitution. Bush hates it; and you’re a liar about it.
Market THIS, fool.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pmHey Zooey – even the Independent from the UK refers to bush as Mr. Bush.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2192973.ece
gotta love it. Several of my friends were able to attend the protest. Will see them tomorrow evening and get the full scoop about this protest.
Tomorrow evening, I will be going to a “Potluck and Politics” in Kutztown, PA. David Lindroff will be the guest speaker and he will be signing his book “The Case for Impeachment”. It’s open to the public so if you are in the area, please stop by. Details are at my URL link.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt’s you alright, j.d. on the Norris thread and anywhere else you can type out your disgusting crud…Go some where else and play you slimy miserable child…To bad birth control isn’t retroactive, your mother would rid us of you…..
January 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pmYes it’s true I am a twisted pathetic troll and I have to use a chain saw as a vibrator. Unhappily it still doesn’t even touch the sides!! Like a drinkstirrer in a keg of beer!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pmThis is the Out of Iraq Caucus:
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Chair, Co-Founder
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), Co-Founder
Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Co-Founder
Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), Co-Founder
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Co-Founder
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), Co-Founder
Rep. William Delahunt (D-Mass.), Co-Founder
Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), Co-Founder
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.)
Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.)
Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.)
Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.)
Rep. Julia Carson (D-Ind.)
Rep. Donna Christensen (D-V.I.)
Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.)
Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.)
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.)
Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.)
Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.)
Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.)
Rep. Sam Farr (D-Calif.)
Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Pa.)
Rep. Bob Filner (D-Calif.)
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.)
Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.)
Rep. Phil Hare (D-Ill.)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.)
Rep. Michael Honda (D-Calif.)
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas)
Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.)
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas)
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio)
Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Mich.)
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)
Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.)
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.)
Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.)
Rep. Michael McNulty (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.)
Rep. Marty Meehan (D-Mass.)
Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.)
Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (D-Calif.)
Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.)
Rep. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (D-D.C.)
Rep. James Oberstar (D-Minn.)
Rep. John Olver (D-Mass.)
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.)
Rep. Donald Payne (D-N.J.)
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.)
Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.)
Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.)
Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.)
Rep. Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Hilda Solis (D-Calif.)
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.)
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.)
Rep. John Tierney (D-Mass.)
Rep. Ed Towns (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.)
Rep. Albert Wynn (D-Md.)
Is YOUR Representative a member?
If not, then you have WORK TO DO.
Charity begins at home. Ask your Representative to represent your views, to join the Out of Iraq Caucus, and to support all efforts to stop Bushco’s various acts of treason.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pmComment by Joanie D’oh
Must you?
January 27th, 2007 at 7:45 pmIs YOUR Representative a member?
Comment by Paul in LA
Dream on!
I shall try — again. Ever heard of Rep Bill Sali? Oy.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:47 pmCindy Sheehan is a freak and she will get more troops killed than she will save.
History will record that I am right.
If you are for the war, by all means, support that crazy old windbag Cindy Sheehan.
The general public thinks she is crazy. The very people you have to CONVINCE to endorse any antiwar rally.
Dipshit.
Paul in LA. You will have the blood of innocents on your hands for supporting Cindy Sheehan and her crazy ways.
History will record I am correct. Only question remaining?
How many many more troops and civilians will die because you are in support of Cindy Sheehan.
I have no idea and do not give a flying f^ck what a ” golden mother ” award is. It sounds like some new fangled bong to take marijuana hits out of during an antiwar rally if you ask me.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI’d rather have Cindy Sheehan who has credibility be the face of the anti-war movement than see the faces of thugs and repukes flouncing all around Washington, DC as the “official face of America”….now that’s really disgusting!
January 27th, 2007 at 7:49 pmZooey is the new troll on here Seixon in drag? Just wondering > lol.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:50 pmAfter pushing that heavy sucker uphill for the last six years it will be an extreme pleasure to jump aboard (For Unbelievable: become a boarder, a private joke) and ride it for all it is worth for the rest of my lifetime anyway. The Las Vegas Re(thuglican)view Journal had an article on Senators Clinton and Obama today. Surprisingly enough they were very cautious. When you are looking at the future Presidents for the next 16, count ‘em, 16, you pick the order, years after DUHdya’s demise it is a good idea not to burn too many potential advertisers and subscribers. It’s a happening Girls and Boys! America will soon be restored the true Americans again.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI don’t comprehend why some pedestrian, uneducated troll has such a ‘thang’ for Cindy Sheehan. Can anyone enlighten me? Perhaps it’s sheer jealousy? That’d be my guess.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:52 pmIt may not be Iraq, but it’s still a war issue.
I wrote to my Congressman, Tim Holden, asking him to do something to prevent Bush boy from attacking Iran. I just received his response in the mail today. Please allow me to share.
“Thank you for contacting me in support of H.Con.Res. 391 introduced by Rep. Peter DeFazio (OR-04).”
“H.Con.Res. 391 sought to express the sense of Congress that the President should not initiate military action against Iran with respect to its nuclear program without first obtaining authorization from Congress. This resolution states initiating militry action without conressional approval in response ot Iran’s nuclear program does not fall with the President’s “Commander-in-Chief” powers under the Constitution and rejects any suggestion that Public Law 107-40, the authorization of force resolution approved in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, extends to authorizing military action against Iran over its nuclear program. This resolution never came before the full House for a vote before Congress adjourned for the 109 Congress.. Pleae know I will keep your views in mind should similar legislation be introduced in the 110 Congress.”
I added the bold. The point I’m trying to make is for everyone to contact their Congressperson and request that a similar bill to H.Con.Res. 391 be drafted and sent for a vote. The children (Republics) refused to keep us safe and instead decided that flag burning and gay marriage were more important than keeping us from escalating this war. Maybe now that the grown ups are in charge, sanity can return to Congress.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:56 pmkaty,
This venom coming from the person who congratulated you on being a TP Moderator a couple of days ago!
…now it’ll accuse me of being a buttinski…
January 27th, 2007 at 7:58 pm3….2….1….
Zooey is the new troll on here Seixon in drag? Just wondering > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
Seixon was so proud of himself, he’d troll over his own name — no matter what. :)
January 27th, 2007 at 7:59 pmCindy Sheehan is a freak and she will get more troops killed than she will save.
Comment by Joanie Doe — January 27, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
I would categorize Bush that way.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:01 pmZooey > whoever hijacked my name last night is weird. The post about a potato was revolting and I am glad TP deleted it on the threads.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:03 pmFilthy discriptive languge is a trademarke of your’s and most pubesent boy’s. j d.Yours is disgusting to the point of being porn…I know and so does every one else why you post filth on a political site, for attention and shock and the fact you have nothing good to say…..Like I said before your mother would take you out if she saw the shame you bring to your family and society….You have no value and I will not respond to a piece of sewage like your self again……Be gone untill you can be civil and grow up..
January 27th, 2007 at 8:06 pmDo we need to keep pandering to this troll? Or are we here for serious discussion. If the former, then I’ll move on.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:06 pmComment by Paul in LA — January 27, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
“Out of Iraq” Weak words in a dangerous world!!
How many on the list in the caucus are ready to IMPEACH THESE A$$WIPES????!!!! NOW!!!!!!!
That’s all that counts now that Iran is in the sights of these criminals!!!
Otherwise, welcome the to the III World War!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 8:07 pmIt’s great to see America beginning to resemble a country where the true patriots are the ones who choose to exercise their inaliable rights unique to our great nation.
Unlike the coward Repuklicans who would rather turn our country into a Communist state, where the concept of individual doesn’t even exist, and freedom IS NOT FREE(literally), which for our resident re-tread troll would actually be a GOOD thing.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:07 pmZooey > reason I mentioned Seixon is that he called Spudge_Boy a guy with a potato, so anyways just wondering.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:08 pmsorry, post #95 for a different thread…..
January 27th, 2007 at 8:10 pmShe’s a Gold Star Mother. You stinking wingers hate the troops, so I understand that you also hate their mothers. ‘Nuff said. It has nothing to do with your CONCERN about how the protest movement looks. It’s all about YOU. And your hatred of Specialist Sheehan’s mom.
“I shall try — again. Ever heard of Rep Bill Sali? Oy.” –Zooe
The great thing about the House is that they are all up for reelection every two years. We have a lot of ringers in the crowd, but it isn’t impossible to work against their reelection if they won’t heed. And letting them know you will is powerful.
Door to door can have a BIG effect on incumbent Representatives.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:10 pmJay, the troll is closer than you might realize.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:11 pmHey Joanie or Rachel or whoever the hell you are. Do us all a favor and STFU!! Go back to Little Green Footballs or whichever blog you wingbats inhabit. Oh, and take your trash out while your at it.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:11 pmMy husband was there and laughed when he phoned and I said the press said there were tens of thousands. He said there were HUNDREDS of thousands. He was absolutely inspired. People were spread to the front, sides, and back of the Capitol. I was disappointed in the downplaying of this by the press. They didn’t even mention the coordinated demonstrations across the entire nation and the globe.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:16 pmI heard the statement put out by Bush – that he thought it was great the American people were able to practice their first Amendment right of free speech, that he hears them and that is why he came up with this ‘new’ plan and that people now needed to be patient and let it work. It was condescending.. I know he doesn’t get it but I sure hope Congress does. People are serious they want something done KNOW before Bush takes us into Iran.
Dixie blood, you talk tough, but the fact is that our problems cannot be overcome just by talking tough, as Gw has now proven yet again.
I want you to understand that impeachment is not enough.
YOU HAVE TO CONVICT.
The Senate is evenly split, with the Dems in charge. But in a post-impeachment trial in the Senate, we DO NOT HAVE the 67 votes it takes to convict.
Talk is tough, but count the votes. Politics is the art of the possible. Luckily for us, the Dems are not stupid enough to start a process they can’t GUARANTEE will end with the person(s) removed from office.
It is FAR better to investigate and DOCUMENT the crimes, which will lead to INDICTMENTS and scandals that MAY allow for a subsequent impeachment process, though resignation is more likely at that point. Sworn testimony in the Congress can be used by any court in the world, unlike newspaper/tv/blog reports, which are NOT evidence in a court of law.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:17 pmJoanie Hoe ,”What I am saying is that to REALLY get the governments attention and FORCE them to listen and stop this war, then the whole antiwar movement needs to cleanup it`s image.”
Are you baseing this off of the success of the anti-war movement in the ’60s? Or, the fact that 70% of the American population is backing the anti-war movement?
Open your eyes.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:17 pmNOW (not know, sorry..)
January 27th, 2007 at 8:19 pmJenny, another person I heard from, who habitually underestimates such crowds, said that 1/4 million was a solid number.
The key point is that this is January, and we have been marching, most of us, for at least four years. There will be larger protests in DC this Spring.
FYI, ANSWER and related groups are marching on the Pentagon on March 17.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:20 pmWhy are peole hostile?
January 27th, 2007 at 8:21 pmDear Granola Hippy:
I am afaid, from the bottom of my heart, that I do give credit to this Administration :
don’t give the administration credit for an act that would, if actually conspired by the government, be the most genius, evil plot in the history of American politics
With Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, Myers etc. at the helm : they did cause 9/11!
January 27th, 2007 at 8:22 pmNo, USA, the concern troll is just trying to whip Cindy Sheehan for her sins. It has ZERO concern for our country and in fact supports the war.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:23 pmJenny G. > C-SPAN never gave a good view of the crowds at the protest rally, so an effort was made to suppress the actual attendance figures. I believe at least 250,000 took part, but if it was closer to 500,000 then the press will never allow the American people to know that. Bush Regime is forcing CNN to under-report the rally number.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThe Senate is evenly split, with the Dems in charge. But in a post-impeachment trial in the Senate, we DO NOT HAVE the 67 votes it takes to convict.
Comment by Paul in LA — January 27, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
That’s what I’m working on!! Get it?? The more that call for IMPEACHING THESE BASTARDS the closer we get to the 67%!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t talk tough. I call for others to be tough!!! You talk weak! Let’s do this and do that and all the while our children die and bleed and our country suffers more and more every gawd damned day!!!!!!!!
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ENOUGH!!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 8:25 pm“I wrote to my Congressman, Tim Holden,” — Coffins
“Rep. Phil Hare (D-Ill.)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.)
Rep. Michael Honda (D-Calif.)”
Nope, Rep. Tim Holden has NOT yet joined the Out of Iraq Caucus.
Please ask him to do so.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Out_of_Iraq_Congressional_Caucus
January 27th, 2007 at 8:27 pmJenny G – thanks for the update on the protest. Glad to hear that there were hundreds of thousands of protesters. Guess the press failed math.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:28 pmHe flew from our home in Oregon and took time off from work. He is staying through Monday in order to meet with our Congressional reps. We are probably late getting active, but I have probably written a hundred letters to everyone I can think (reporters, correspondents, journalists, authors, Congressional reps, Senators, etc..) of over the last 6 months. Basically, I have only recived one brief response from anyone over that entire time. I sent a message to CNN (Jack Cafferty) in response to his question yesterday about whether this demonstration will do any good and almost fell out of my chair when he read in on the TV.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:28 pmIt inspired me to keep trying. There is not a lot I can do from home (I have 2 special needs kids), but I won’t stop trying until Bush and Cheney are impeached or investigated, at the very least put in check and forced to stop what they are doing. They had better be put under a microscope before they have completely dismantled our Constitution and made all our laws irrelevent.
He is already in contact with the newspaper services in Oregon to make sure the write about it in the papers. He brought his digital camera to take pictures of his own.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:29 pmNo, USA, the concern troll is just trying to whip Cindy Sheehan for her sins. It has ZERO concern for our country and in fact supports the war.
Comment by Paul in LA
Hey Paul,
Get F^cked you asswipe. You dont know anything about me you opinionated son of a bitch.
F^ck you.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:31 pmdixie,
I think we will get the 67 votes that we need. It will take a little more convincing unfortunately.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:32 pm“That’s what I’m working on!! Get it?? The more that call for IMPEACHING THESE BASTARDS the closer we get to the 67%!!!!!!!!!!!!”
No, that’s not true, which is my point.
Impeachment is a power of the House; Conviction is a power of the Senate.
As a fellow protester, let me educate you some:
Most likely, New Mexico will use Jefferson’s protocols to file an impeachment bill in a month or so. What will happen to that bill? Will it reach the floor? Only for a moment, and then it will be sent to Conyer’s committee, which will probably vote it out. That will take a couple of months all told. At that point it will LOSE on a floor vote.
Is it worth doing? YES IT IS. But don’t think that getting rid of Bushco is as easy as waving the Constitution at them. Impeachment power has NEVER worked (no convictions) — when Bushco attacks Iran in March, no impeachment process will be possible.
Inquests, scandal, outing the crimes, indictments, and working to swing more of the Congress our way — that is the only real path we have before us.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI take it you agree with me then, Concern Troll.
Mission Accomplished.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:33 pmJenny G.
You’re from Oregon… please contact Representative Peter DeFazio and asked him to re-introduce bill H.ConRes.391 to the 110 Congress for a vote. You can get the details about the bill at Rep. DeFazio’s website.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThere is not a lot I can do from home (I have 2 special needs kids)…
Comment by Jenny G.
You’re doing a lot, Jenny, don’t ever think you’re not.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:36 pmThe DC Park Police are experts at figuring out the numbers of people at rallies. It’s strange they are silent about this event, so Bush most have told them to shut-up. Usually a film crew is allowed to scan shoot crowds from the roof of the Capital building, but again no feed to C-SPAN from that vantage point. Bush must be very afraid for the public to know how many really attended the protest rally.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:38 pmYou’re from Oregon… please contact Representative Peter DeFazio and asked him to re-introduce bill H.ConRes.391 to the 110 Congress for a vote. You can get the details about the bill at Rep. DeFazio’s website.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — January 27, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Will do!
January 27th, 2007 at 8:39 pmUnfortunately, it didn’t seem like the protests drew any more people than the ones before it became popular to be against the war. However, I do notice that the media is now covering these protests as if they’re suddenly more important than earlier ones. Funny how the media slants their reporting one way or the other depending on which way the wind is blowing.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBut, OK, let’s say we want to work articles of impeachment in the House. What do we need?
Half of 435 votes = 218 votes.
The Out of Iraq Caucus has 73 members. No doubt we would get other Dem and R votes for articles of impeachment, but we MUST HAVE 218 to succeed.
No amount of pressure on the House will produce the 67 votes we will need in the Senate to complete the process, and those votes are MUCH harder to get.
I’ve street protested over 400 times since this all started. I’m on your side. But it is worth understanding the situation in the Congress, and not burning up your anger on the wrong people.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:41 pmCoffins and all, if you thought I was pandering to smut and the constant barage of dreadful print by this terrible troll then so be it…Free speech is one thing…An occasional name calling and four letter word is acceptable..I am not a prude, never have been. Day after day we exchange our view’s and try to work together to make a better world….Accepting and allowing this political site to be so polluted it is sickening is way beyond the pale for me…..Like it or not we will never attract new poster’s or keep all the present one’s if we put up with and accept this dreadful behavior…….Untill it is fixed permanetly I am gone from this site……Blessings to you all.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWilly, IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE PROTEST.
For one thing, if we put 3 million people into DC, the chance for violence goes up dramatically.
Protest is not a numbers game. We’re organized, we’re getting more organized, the crimes are coming out, and the indictments are coming. Keep working, all of us keep working, and democracy WILL win in the end.
Resistance to Tyranny is Love of God.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:44 pm– President Jefferson’s proposed Motto of the United States
Willy – yeah the media is like willow trees, they just bend with the wind. They just aren’t bending enough to the left, yet.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:45 pm“Demonstrators listened to speeches from a roster of politicians and entertainment figures including the Rev. Jesse Jackson; Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio and a candidate for the presidency in 2008; and Representative Maxine Waters, Democrat of California. The actors Jane Fonda, Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins also addressed the crowd.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/washington/28protest.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Dennis Kucinich, made all his Congressional votes when he ran for President last time around and still attended Presidential rallies. Now he is making time for Iraq anti war rallies when no other Presidential candidate is. The guy works his ass off and is the most progressive, visionary candidate this nation has seen in decades. His actions speak louder than his words and his words are something else. Why the hell aren’t we behind him?
January 27th, 2007 at 8:46 pm“Now he is making time for Iraq anti war rallies when no other Presidential candidate is.”
House members have next to ZERO chance of becoming president. Only one has ever succeeded, and that as a Dark Horse (McKinley, IIRC).
• Kucinich didn’t say a peep when the 2004 election was stolen in his state. You would think he would have added his effort to the recount — he did not. So he’s not perfect.
That’s OK — perfect politician is not a plus. But ‘lone voice in the wilderness’ is also not the finish line. It’s just one more person in the race.
While Senators don’t go to protest rallies very often, that doesn’t mean they aren’t on our side, as with Feingold, Kerry, Boxer, Kennedy, etc. It’s a CAUCUS, and everyone plays a role.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:53 pmSharon Cox – the hostility has settled down. Please stay with us. I always enjoy your posts. You may want to try C & L sometimes. I post there and they don’t tolerate aggression. Folks may speak freely, but personal attacks are not allowed.
Peace.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:54 pmkaty,
This venom coming from the person who congratulated you on being a TP Moderator a couple of days ago!
yes, i recognize it… …and…?
…now it’ll accuse me of being a buttinski 3….2….1….
Comment by trueblue — January 27, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
i can’t tell what you are butting into :)
January 27th, 2007 at 8:55 pmjust got back here… when i started reading there were 113 comments…
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I just got off the phone with my husband. He called the major newspaper in our area and was interviewed over the phone. He told me he found a number of others from Oregon there and they were going back to their hotels to phone the other major papers in Oregon to give them interviews.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThat is how it needs to happen.. The WH may be able to control the press and news stations to an extent, but they can’t control everything.
Dennis Kucinich is a true gem, a real progressive. Unfortunately, most of the country just can’t get in line with progressives. Most folks are moderate, kind of the pig in the snake effect.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:57 pmNo amount of pressure on the House will produce the 67 votes we will need in the Senate to complete the process, and those votes are MUCH harder to get.
Comment by Paul in LA — January 27, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
Support for impeachment is around 40 to 50 percent. If we can get some of the dead-enders on the right to support impeachment of the president after the congressional investigations, the Congress will follow suit.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pmConcern trolls come here to cause this kind of anger. That’s their game.
My experience is that when you point out their real purpose, this kind of troll leaves. As it has.
In this case of this concern troll, they just wanted to beat up on a mother whose heroic son was killed for Bush’s bottom line. Not very honorable, so that’s why concern trolls try to cover their real purpose behind a sham of concern. Disgusting, really.
So, Sharon, don’t let a concern troll or people’s reaction interfere with the reason you’re here.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pmwho was that awful person who spoke about israel?
January 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pmIraq has nothing to do with Israel!
That isn’t the ONLY thing that needs to happen. That isn’t what I meant to say.. I mean it’s gotta help some..
January 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pmJenny G. > I hope it can be proven that over a half million showed up in DC for the protest rally, but otherwise the figure of 250,000+ will be locked down at least. FOX and CNN wanted to claim that less than 100,000 attended the event.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:04 pmGet F^cked you asswipe. You dont know anything about me you opinionated son of a bitch.
F^ck you.
Comment by Joanie Doe
Yet you seem to know all about Spudgeboys ass yet when you get the same treatment in return, by others, you become angry.
Why is that? Getting a little too close to the truth ehh?
BTW Gino called and said he stopped at your favorite porno/adult store and got a pocket vagina to stuff into that gaping fishy leaky slimey echo chamber of yours. But he said hes gotta stop at home repot and get some quikcrete to cement it into place. But he doesn’t know if you’ll be able to walk with a 50lb bag of concrete between your hairy bowlegged tree trunks. He did get some two stroke oil for your chainsaw however.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI already detoxified the troll, Joeknee. Don’t reactivate it.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:10 pmsorry, post #95 for a different thread…..
Comment by trueblue — January 27, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
ha! …now i get it…
fyi -
i talked with a friend earlier, works construction, heavy equipment – paints a picture of the kind of people he sees daily – when i expressed how happy i was about the dems getting the congress back, he agreed and told me he sees lots of anti bush bumper stickers everyday…
he is mostly apolitical, but these events have charged his opinions…
he told me of a great bumper sticker… damned if i haven’t forgotten…
January 27th, 2007 at 9:13 pmit’ll come to me… about 2am… heh…
have no idea and do not give a flying f^ck what a †golden mother †award is. It sounds like some new fangled bong to take marijuana hits out of during an antiwar rally if you ask me.
Comment by Joanie Doe
Hell we could grow a whole forest in your dank dark deep putrid swamp.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:14 pmI know, in my heart, 9/11 was a Classic Case of State Sponsored Terrorism (false flag) — and I have read books about this.
The World Trade towers couldn’t have Defied Physics and come down the way they did — without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
The Military Standown that day could not have ocurred without Darth Cheney pulling the strings.
Comment by Kurt — January 27, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I am surprised Faiz let this post stand for so long. Someone else posted about “the day that shall not be mentioned” and that post was deleted within 10 minutes.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:22 pmMr. Randall,
January 27th, 2007 at 9:23 pmWhy are tou so angry? Are yu really full of hate. Let it go! Think peace and love!
*
BRAVO to jenny g !!!
*
January 27th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThe towers did not defy physics. Buildings only ever fall upon themselves because they are too large to tip over (that’s a fact of physics).
If people think buildings cannot fail under these circumstances (they can and they did), then they could be led to a sense of false security in super-skyscrapers that may prove as disasterous as what occured on 9/11. There’s no reason to make buildings that tall. And saying they are safe in the event of an emergency endangers those who inhabit them.
Comment by unbelievable — January 27, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
THAT’S RIGHT!!! A dozen men with box cutters got lucky on “the day that shall not be named.” Cell phones made impossible connections. There was no molten metal spewing out the side of the building. A commercial jet really did disappear into a 14′ hole in the Pentagon. Random fires really did cause a symmetrical collapse of a building that was never hit. There were no pre-contact explosions before the airliners hit the towers. There was no below-ground explosion before each tower collapsed.
THESE ARE ALL JUST CRAZY NOTIONS BY PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THE PRESIDENT!!! We must SUPPORT BUSH!!! We must SUPPORT THE WAR!!!
WHEN WE WIN, WE WILL CONTROL 70% OF THE WORLD’S ENERGY SUPPLY AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING EUROPE, RUSSIA OR CHINA CAN DO ABOUT IT! AMERICA WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 9:30 pmThat is how it needs to happen.. The WH may be able to control the press and news stations to an extent, but they can’t control everything.
Comment by Jenny G. — January 27, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
you are correct … i heard a talker the other day relate how important LOCAL newspapers are to educating and informing the public… it’s a hard job for them because of the worries about adviertisers, but there are some willing to take the chance and tell the truth…
that’s all i ever wanted – the TRUTH!
January 27th, 2007 at 9:32 pmwell, not all…
Bravo to the people who went to DC. I got three calls from the march and everyone said it was huge. Big and loud enough to send a strong message to our Congress. Stop the War and stop the Bush Insanity.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:33 pmNobody could make a cell phone call on a movin plane. (Ok, I will shut up…)
Comment by Juan C — January 27, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Faiz, you’re slippin!!! When someone brought up that point about “the day that shall not be mentioned,” you deleted it within 10 minutes!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 9:37 pmI think China did 9/11!
January 27th, 2007 at 9:38 pmTo Mark and others on the post,
January 27th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI was at the DC Demo today and it was truly a huge remarkable energized event. This was my third DC march against Bush’s fiasco in Iraq and it was definitely the biggest and loudest, with the most forceful message. Nothing like having King George in our White House to motivate a crowd! Please take time to contact your Senators and Representatives. Also call all GOP Senators and demand that they vote for the Biden – Hagel Resolution as a first step to ending this War.
Nobody could make a cell phone call on a movin plane. (Ok, I will shut up…)
Depends on several factors. At lower altitudes and speeds, the signals can pass through the glass windows (glass is actually a porous suspended-state liquid), just as they do the glass in your car or home, and reach the radio relay antennae that they employ.
Comment by unbelievable — January 27, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
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Posted 7/19/2004 9:39 PM Updated 7/20/2004 7:50 AM
In-flight cell phones ‘worked great’ in test
By Dan Reed, USA TODAY
The race is on to enable airline passengers to make and receive cell phone calls in flight.
Cell phone company Qualcomm (QCOM) has teamed with American Airlines (AMR) to develop satellite-based air-to-ground cellular service. Several smaller companies are working on rival systems. In-flight cell service could be introduced within two years and become commonplace within four, developers believe.
THAT’S RIGHT!!! IN 2004 THE TECHNOLOGY WAS JUST BEING TESTED, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE CALLS ACTUALLY BEING MADE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY!!!
But that’s ok, Unbelievable, just continue to believe in the impossible. A dozen guys with boxcutters pulled of this whole thing on “the day that shall not be named.”
January 27th, 2007 at 9:46 pm> THAT’S RIGHT!!! IN 2004 THE TECHNOLOGY WAS JUST BEING TESTED, WITH
> THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE CALLS ACTUALLY BEING MADE STILL TWO
> YEARS AWAY!!!
No. That’s inboard picocell technology. You can even now use a mobile
January 27th, 2007 at 9:51 pmquite well from a low-flying plane but it’s not recommended by the phone
companies as the networks assigns the phone to cell based on signal
strength, and if it’s not actually on the ground, assignment to a cell is no
longer unique, thus touble. Take a little sport plane and try it out.
.Untill it is fixed permanetly I am gone from this site……Blessings to you all.
Comment by Sharon Cox — January 27, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
PROMISE? PRETTY PRETTY PROMISE?
January 27th, 2007 at 9:57 pmI already detoxified the troll, Joeknee. Don’t reactivate it.
Comment by Paul in LA
Sure ya did.
See ya round Paul in LA
You watch my back, I`ll watch yours
Okay buddy?
Take * cough* care
January 27th, 2007 at 10:11 pmWHEN WE WIN, WE WILL CONTROL 70% OF THE WORLD’S ENERGY SUPPLY AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING EUROPE, RUSSIA OR CHINA CAN DO ABOUT IT! AMERICA WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan —
As Rachel’s meds finally thin out, and the crazy begins to shine through . . .
January 27th, 2007 at 10:17 pmBarfly,
rachel is Joanie Doe this evening.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:18 pmYou can even now use a mobile quite well from a low-flying plane but it’s not recommended by the phone companies as the networks assigns the phone to cell based on signal strength, and if it’s not actually on the ground, assignment to a cell is no longer unique, thus touble. Take a little sport plane and try it out.
Comment by El Tonno — January 27, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Sure, NOW. But on “the day that shall not be named,” it was impossible.
But for “the day that shall not be named,” we would not be at WAR. Saddam would still be in IRAQ selling OIL in EUROS.
That is unacceptable. We must control the world’s oil supply, no matter how many people have to die.
IT’S ALL ABOUT POWER, MONEY AND CONTROL!!!
I’m just surprised they didn’t pull out their new microwave weapons and zap these protesters!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 10:21 pmRegarding the protests today across the US. Truly patriotic…great job!!!! This country was born from Tyranny and the forefathers in the Decleration of Independence wrote that it is our duty to alter, abolish and to institute a new government, whenever any form of government becomes destructive to the will of the electorate.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
The Rachel’s of the world, and their view of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence are seen as some sort of impediment when their views are in question. Instead of having an intelligent perspective, and explaining their points in a succinct way? They will resort to character assassination, name-jacking, then posting instigative posts to allow themselves to be portrayed as martyrs, or just not answer the question. The tactics they use is find a “strawman” then associate that with whomever they are trying to slander. Use the same slanderous attack over and over again until it becomes an idiom. I will never understand this logic…purely sick.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:23 pmI’m a DC native, so I went down to the demonstration (to borrow a phrase from the Stones). I had camera in tow, and was looking for the kind of shots that only this kind of event can provide (haven’t post-processed the photos, so I can’t share them yet).
I’m not an overtly patriotic person (overt demonstrations of patriotism are less about love of country, and more about “hey – look at me”, IMHO).
That said, I have twice been overwhelmed by emotion at certain patriotic moments. The first time it happened was in 1999, when I took my son to see the Statue of Liberty. When the boat to the statue rounded Ellis Island, it dawned on me that I was seeing exactly what millions of penniless immigrants had seen when they came to the US. My irish ancestors were probably among them. This realization welled up in me, and before I knew it, tears were rolling from my eyes. Being a big strong man, I didn’t want my then 4 year-old son or the other tourists on the boat to see me crying, so I feigned fatigue and rubbed my eyes, turned around to face away from others, etc., until I had regained my composure.
The same thing happened today. One minute, I was busy snapping pics, the next, I was trying to hide my tears (my son lives with his mom in NJ, so he wasn’t there – but I wish he had been). The trigger was someone passing in front of me with our flag.
I have to say, I love my counrty so much, I can’t accurately express it.
It’s time for us to return to the values so eloquently expressed by our founders in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. It’s time to defend our country. She’s been raped and scarred by the “conservative” powers that be – but she’s still beautiful, and still worth loving.
On my way back to my home in Virginia, I noticed all of the traffic and the people seemingly unaware of what was happening on the Mall, and apparently too busy following Chimpy’s call for more shopping (the entrance to the Mall – this time, I’m referring to the shopping mall – was crowded) to be bothered by such things as people actually having given their lives to make us safe, secure, and prosperous.
I have a feeling we, as individuals, are getting ready to learn a really hard, really costly lesson.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:23 pmTed Kennedy could not have breast stroked across my vagina he would have drowned long before he reached the other side of my devil bowl koolaid filled pit of infection!
January 27th, 2007 at 10:23 pm…you idiotic lying bitch, you threatened me when I hijacked your dumb ass, and you can’t follow through on you veiled threat, so EAT MY SHIT.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:24 pmHaven’t had a chance to read all the posts here. Too many freaks off their meds to go through….
I was there, and the front of the marching line where the Vet’s were (Hi Uncle Ho!!) actually met the back of the line who hadn’t even begun to make the march yet. It came full circle. Don’t know what the radius was, but it was mindblowing.
There were people of all kinds and ages. It was something to behold. I was proud to be there.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:25 pmHi, BnF. Have you links for the cell thing?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:26 pmAs Rachel’s meds finally thin out, and the crazy begins to shine through . . .
Comment by Barfly — January 27, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
o for one. Zooey knows, she is wise to not share on this forum.
Look through the other side of the mirror, and you will know who I am.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:26 pmI used to think I heard voices until I realized it was my hugeriffimongous bukkake greezy poe tay toe pit echoing back at me!!
January 27th, 2007 at 10:28 pmHi, BnF. Have you links for the cell thing?
Comment by Juan C — January 27, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
BnF was deleted for posting about the cell thing and “the day that shall not be mentioned.”
January 27th, 2007 at 10:29 pmComment by smafdy – Great story.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:31 pmLook through the other side of the mirror, and you will know who I am.
You think we dont know you copied some post from July 2006?
Michael Madonna.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:31 pmDid you notice all of the people who were at the rally taking photos with cameras and cell phones ” for posterity? ” supposedly?
They were not fellow ralliers. They were NSA agents taking photos with cell phones and camera and video cameras.
Why do you think the MSM never covers antiwar rallies?
The NSA makes Hitlers SS and the Kremlins intelligence apparatus look like rank amateurs.
Why, I would be willing to say there are a few of them working right here at TP.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:33 pmThis little protest wasn’t even newsworthy enough to make cnn.com’s top stories of the evening:
Report: Israel cluster bomb use under U.S. scrutiny
Navy calls off search for missing helo crew
Teen gets 10 years for sex act on video
Slingshot patrols end in Tijuana | Video
Vegas priest sought in sex assault case | Video
Mountain lion attacks rare, terrifying
Time.com: Best Stones film you’ve never seen
Sen. Clinton impresses crowd in Iowa
Former Arkansas gov. starts presidential bid
New airport officially unsafe
Apollo 1 crew remembered 40 years after fire
Con’s race for freedom ends at Daytona | Video
CNN Wire: Latest updates on world’s top stories
January 27th, 2007 at 10:33 pmBnF was deleted for posting about the cell thing and “the day that shall not be mentioned.â€
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
WRONG, you ignorant slut.
BnF bowed out, thanks.
You, however, should “bowel” out. You seem extremely full of shit.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:33 pmDid you notice all of the people who were at the rally taking photos with cameras and cell phones ” for posterity? ” supposedly?
They were not fellow ralliers. They were NSA agents taking photos with cell phones and camera and video cameras.
Why do you think the MSM never covers antiwar rallies?
The NSA makes Hitlers SS and the Kremlins intelligence apparatus look like rank amateurs.
Why, I would be willing to say there are a few of them working right here at TP.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:35 pmAnd look how far down the list it is on Foxnews.com:
January 27th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
South Paw & smafdy,
Tell us more, please. :-)
January 27th, 2007 at 10:37 pmDid you notice all of the people who were at the rally taking photos with cameras and cell phones †for posterity? †supposedly?
They were not fellow ralliers. They were NSA agents taking photos with cell phones and camera and video cameras.
Why do you think the MSM never covers antiwar rallies?
The NSA makes Hitlers SS and the Kremlins intelligence apparatus look like rank amateurs.
Why, I would be willing to say there are a few of them working right here at TP.
Is this person for real?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:39 pmComment by NSA agent X
Only a cowardly Repuklican would be believe such idiotic, paranoid sh*t. God, you are pathetic.
Hell, I once told-off an FBI agent who thought he could bully me.
Unless I’m breaking “the law”, you can’t touch me.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:41 pmYou, however, should “bowel†out. You seem extremely full of shit.
Comment by DieNowForPeace
Watch carefully The Ghost posts. He is definitely not rachel.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:42 pmI was just wondering: Is Joanie Doe really Lynne Cheney, working on one of her new books? It sure sounds like something she would do to drum up a little controversy and support for her man, old slippery Dick.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pmLook through the other side of the mirror, and you will know who I am.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan —
Self-medicating, now that the Halidol has worn off? Crank isn’t going to help your mood swings, Rache.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWatch carefully The Ghost posts. He is definitely not rachel.
Comment by Juan C — January 27, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Excellent, Juan, you’re eyes have been opened.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:47 pmDon’t temper me Juan,
I have a way of inciting in order to get them deleted/banned.
It’s a wonderful system so far. Just gotta stay on top of e-maing the TP staff…
January 27th, 2007 at 10:48 pmI will try to report later. Right now I’m pooped!! The march today….and then a b-day party for my twin niece and nephew turning 6. I just got home and I’m wiped.
Time for bed!!
Truth be told, it was beyond words, and anyone there I think would confer.
‘nite all.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:48 pmBarfly,
Please see #163.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWatch carefully The Ghost posts. He is definitely not rachel.
Comment by Juan C
THESE ARE ALL JUST CRAZY NOTIONS BY PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THE PRESIDENT!!! We must SUPPORT BUSH!!! We must SUPPORT THE WAR!!!
WHEN WE WIN, WE WILL CONTROL 70% OF THE WORLD’S ENERGY SUPPLY AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING EUROPE, RUSSIA OR CHINA CAN DO ABOUT IT! AMERICA WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
Smells like Rache to me. Are you really Juan?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:52 pmI think I meant concur.
And I’m tired in a good way. It was a good day!
January 27th, 2007 at 10:52 pm:)
It did make the LEAD STORY on http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
January 27th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBarfly,
Please see #163.
Comment by Zooey
I disagree, in that, I think we should treat them ALL as one, just to kinda belittle and annoy them. :)
January 27th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBarfly and DieNow:
Who was the one, besides Spudge Boy, poster that used a lot blockquotes? Thats the same commenter posting as The Ghost.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:53 pmZooey, Rachel splinters into more than one when she’s on the pipe . . .
January 27th, 2007 at 10:54 pmI had an interesting morning teaching, and one of the students asked me if I could write a program that could erase the last seven years…
January 27th, 2007 at 10:54 pmHeh.
It’s also the lead story on http://abcnewsthe Path to 9/11].go.com/
January 27th, 2007 at 10:55 pmand on http://www.cbsnews.com/
January 27th, 2007 at 10:56 pmAre you really Juan?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:58 pmComment by Barfly
Oh, no. Im not that articulate. I do not know anything about laws. I do not play the bagpipes and I dont wear scottish skirts. Do you know who he is now?
Why, it even made mention on Redstate.com:
Anti-War Protest: Where Is Everyone?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThank you smafdy for sharing that. My husband got very emotional when he phoned talking about some of the people with signs that he came across in DC today. One grandparent who had lost a grandchild in the war. He choked up while describing it. I wish this hit home to the people who are actually making these important decisions. I don’t think they are making any sacrifices at all (I know Bush and Cheney are not sacrificing anything). If they had family members invested in this and at risk of mortal peril they wouldn’t be making these decisions. Why are all other American’s children expendable or an acceptable loss..? Why are American’s tax dollars so easy to spend? Would they be investing this kind of money if it was their own? Would they still have the same conviction?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:00 pmWith You from Hawaii
January 27th, 2007 at 11:02 pmGive it up, Juan. Let them figure it out for themselves. I might as well go back to being the Zookeeper. :}
Ya’ll are making me nuts.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:03 pmThanks for the clarification Juan.
It’s a secret, right (cause I never had beef w/him and he’s not returning my volleys here.)
January 27th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAre there transcripts of speeches?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI think that once Bush and Cheney and Rumsfelf (who isn’t really gone) and all the other neocons are gone from office, it will be incombent upon Congress to not just fix what they have broken (if that is even possible), but to put more protections in place so that this cannot happen again. I am talking about the power grab and the laws that have been snuck around and walked over, and the damage to the Constitution.
I am going to throw in some of my favorite quotes before I hit the sack:
James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper No. 47:
“The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many…may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” – James Madison
The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison
We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties. – James Madison
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. – Dwight D. Eisenhower
The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without. – Dwight D. Eisenhower
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. – Dwight D. Eisenhower
Only Americans can hurt America. – Dwight D. Eisenhower
These guys knew what they were talking about.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:05 pmI might as well go back to being the Zookeeper. :}
Comment by Zooey — January 27, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
I suggest Mistress Z.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:06 pmI might as well go back to being the Zookeeper. :}
Ya’ll are making me nuts.
Comment by Zooey — January 27, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
heh… same job, different location… cause you do it so well!…
January 27th, 2007 at 11:08 pmBnF bowed out, thanks.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 27, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
He did not bow out. His post was deleted within 10 minutes. Faiz made his point and BnF left.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:09 pmI suggest Mistress Z.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
Only if the title comes with a bull whip.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:09 pmJenny G.
So you are from Oregon?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pmBeen in love with it since a short visit a long time ago.
Are prospects good for someone in Healthcare there?
Cost of living OK?
JTitor: Thanks.
Zooey:
I’ve been to a few well-attended events on the National Mall. The first million-person event was the 4th of July, 1976 (I remember thinking, at the time, how well Gerald Ford had stabilized the country on the heels of Watergate – the sense of national pride was palpable). There was definately a million people there that day.
Today, the size of the crowd was difficult to get a handle on – it’s not like everyone is trying to see fireworks. The crowd was very dense, but thinned out suddenly as you walked away from the Capitol and towards the Washington Monument. More people seemed to congregate towards the sides of the Capitol. I’d say 250,000 to 500,000. Can’t be more specific and remain honest.
Notable:
Quite a cross-section of America. All age groups were represented. African Americans and latinos were underrepresented.
the non professional, non famous speakers had the best messages and communicated them more effectively.
Everybody was peaceful, respectful, clean, and orderly.
Lots of fringe political groups (nothing wrong with that) handing out info. Socialists, militants, as well as reps of Christianity and Islam.
Kids between the ages of 8 and 13 looked either like they were embarassed that mom and/or dad had brought them there (it’s a socially ackward time of life), or like they were having the best time of their lives. More of the latter than the former.
Plenty of vets (especially iraq vets).
I think it was a bit too festive considering the gravity of the cause.
I’ll post more later. I’m tired.
Keep the faith.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pmAre there transcripts of speeches?
Comment by ItsJustKarma
Karma, UTube may have footage of the speeches. I’m not sure where to send you for transcripts.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pmGood night, Zooey. Good night, Katy. Peace-
January 27th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI suggest Mistress Z.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
Only if the title comes with a bull whip.
Comment by Zooey
Whoa!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThere are children present………….
;)
Cost of living OK?
Comment by trueblue
**eyes rolling**
I moved to ID from Oregon…oy.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:13 pmGoodnight, Lib in NM
January 27th, 2007 at 11:16 pmJust my 2 cents. I have a buddy stationed in DC and he estimated 250,000-300,000. But he is not a crowd counting expert.
didn’t someone bring a number clicker?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:16 pmI love it here. We moved away and then came back. This is where we will stay. The people are wonderful and the schools are good, though with the President’s wonderful “no Child Left Behind” (tongue in cheek), the war and the cuts everywhere for everything, the schools have been slowly cutting more and more teachers and programs.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:17 pmThere are problems everywhere. I think there is definitely a need in the healthcare field. They are desperate for nurses. Cost of living is not expensive as a lot of other places I have visited. Of course, it depends on if you live in the city or in the more rural areas.
Whoa!
There are children present………….
;)
Comment by trueblue
Let ‘em get their own bullwhip.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:17 pmOh! It’s dress-up night at TP! Let’s all play!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:17 pmAnyway, as I was watching the coverage from MSNBC, it seemed as if they were trying to frame the shot so that the speaker in the foreground shared the shot with a bunch of hackey-sack playing adolescents behind him. Anyone casually watching would probably gather from the coverage that it was just another unfocused bunch of left-leaning groups, using it as an escuse to have a party at the capitol.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:18 pmMeanwhile, back in Iraq
More “numbers” on the way to WORLD CONQUEST!!! By the time January, 2009 rolls around, BUSH WILL HAVE INVADED MORE NATIONS AND CAUSED MORE DEATHS THAN ANY OTHER U.S. PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. HE WILL HAVE SINGLEHANDEDLY SECURED THE WORLD’S ENERGY RESOURCES FOR AMERICA FOREVER!!!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:18 pmyoutube
Only a quick check.
Zooey, you moved from Oregon?
Wow. I need to email you.
– I also need to go to sleep. Way past my coherence time!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:19 pmZooey:
tried to answer, but my post didn’t make it and I’m too tired to try again. It was good.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhat did BnF post that got deleted? Sorry I missed that one. Sure wish he would come back.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:23 pmHE WILL HAVE SINGLEHANDEDLY SECURED THE WORLD’S ENERGY RESOURCES FOR AMERICA FOREVER!!!
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
Um, that’s not possible. But don’t let me get in the way . . .
January 27th, 2007 at 11:23 pmBefore I go, someone needs to teach me how to indent and to increase the font size.
I’m so jealous…………
(no jokes now, Zooey.I know how it sounds….)
January 27th, 2007 at 11:24 pm;P
i got it!
PRO TROOPS / ANTI BUSH
… i can’t believe i forgot that… another for my collection…
something else – seems that many of the pics i’ve seen are shot from a squatting level, up at the sighns, close up of people… few long shots from up higher…
and g’nite all! …SNL any minute now…
January 27th, 2007 at 11:24 pmsmafdy,
Maybe try again tomorrow? :)
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January 27th, 2007 at 11:27 pmBUSH WILL HAVE INVADED MORE NATIONS AND CAUSED MORE DEATHS THAN ANY OTHER U.S. PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
I know Im going to hell for helping Bush with this one, but:
January 27th, 2007 at 11:29 pmMore recently, Bill Clinton was the modern-day champion for the greatest number of overseas interventions – meddling in Somalia, Haiti, North Korea, Bosnia, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Sudan. While Clinton avoided blundering into a large quagmire on the ground, as the current Bush administration has done, his energetic foreign policy shows that the activist U.S. foreign policy transcends party lines.
What did BnF post that got deleted? Sorry I missed that one. Sure wish he would come back.
Comment by JTitor
Heh. Oy.
It was a 9/11 post.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:30 pmWhat did BnF post that got deleted? Sorry I missed that one. Sure wish he would come back.
Comment by JTitor — January 27, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
The ideas that are being discredited are those of the “official†story.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 26, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
I have a feeling this post will find the TP. memory hole.
Comment by oceana — January 26, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
You were right.
Faiz, I leave you to the trolls. Bye all.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — January 26, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
January 27th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThe “surge”, that will not be supplied by new troops (for there are none). But, will be supplied by lengthening the stay of soldiers scheduled to leave, and advancing the timetables of soldiers on leave. The fact that a five time deferment seeker (Cheney) is behind this, disgusts me. Ceheny couldn’t even go once. But he has no problem sending someone else for a fifth time, on an accelerated schedule.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:34 pmShould have guessed. Thanks Zoo.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI was also there in spirit, and if I didn’t have to work, and had any money, would have also been there in body.. and I’m so proud of all who were there.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:50 pmAnd now, the winner of the best quote of the year.
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) was asked what he thought about the president.
“Well”, he said. “I think he shatters the myth of white supremacy, once and for all.”
We must support the Iraqi Resistance! They are fighting a historical guerilla war against the evil Imperialist troops! They are in the great tradition as Che! They need our moral support!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:51 pmAnyone casually watching would probably gather from the coverage that it was just another unfocused bunch of left-leaning groups, using it as an escuse to have a party at the capitol.
Comment by B. Fly
Which is EXACTLY what I did. Don`t blame the damn news crews!
Change your freaking image like I have been telling you people all along.
And for God Sakes! Get RID of Cindy Sheehan!
January 27th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWho in the hell uses words like “evil Imperialist troops”. except in Ann Coulter books?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:54 pmRep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) was asked what he thought about the president.
“Wellâ€, he said. “I think he shatters the myth of white supremacy, once and for all.â€
Comment by old hippie woman
Fantastic.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:55 pmRachel your really scared of Cindy Sheehan?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:57 pmJoanie Doe,
January 27th, 2007 at 11:57 pmYou are an evil capitalst fool. A tool for the Internationalist Global Corporations oppressing the masses! Look at the Iraq Resistance. Che would be proud!
The “surgeâ€, that will not be supplied by new troops (for there are none).
Comment by Bowdler
2,685,713 ,
That is the number of persons in the U.S. Armed Force (thanks Wiki)
Approximately 160,000(ish) are in Iraq.
That leaves 2,525,713(ish) not in Iraq
What do you mean there are no more new troops?
January 27th, 2007 at 11:59 pmWho in the hell uses words like “evil Imperialist troopsâ€. except in Ann Coulter books?
Comment by JTitor
George Lucas
January 28th, 2007 at 12:01 amJoanie Doe — I bet you have a big Trent Lott picture close to you at all times? Maybe even signed?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:01 amJoanie Doe,
January 28th, 2007 at 12:04 amYou’re a genocidal supporting bitch! You’re responsible for the deaths of Millions!
JTitor ,
January 28th, 2007 at 12:07 amI’m sick of these genocida Reichwingers! I say, build Gulags and do what Che did to Batista’s people!
Comment by hacker bob — George Lucas …good one!!!
January 28th, 2007 at 12:08 amAva Lowry (aka Supergirl), who was there, says it was more like 400,000. John Aravosis disagrees. Anyone have any real, hard figures? The MSM, of course, is worthless. They’ve underreported this just as they did the last antiwar rally.
Frank Rich is basically saying that Hillary’s not authentic or honest enough to provide the leadership that we crave. We’ve been saying that about her for years and this is far from Frank’s best but I still have to agree with him.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:09 amWhat really get`s you peoples goat here, as far as my posting here on this message board, what really gets your goat is the fact that I am able to use YOUR CONSTITUTION against you by the
“Freedom of Speech” clause, and then continue to post here with my friends at TP and shove your constitution right back up your ungrateful asses.
These rights are my rights.
Show some respect, there are people dying for my right to speak.
It is what you marched today for, remember?
Like I said, it isn`t about the troops at all, it is just a way for a bunch of ??? to get together and throw a party. Just like the news showed it to be.
You ingrates.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:15 amFelix Rodriguez-Carlos the Terrorist-George Bush Sr.
The three named above may eat donkey dung in Che` name!
They are the biggest narco terrorists the world has ever known.
Especially that weasel Rodriguez. He would lynch his own grandmother to get ahead.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:25 am245 Hacker Bob. 2 things. One, our trooops have other responibilties besides Iraq, such as:Germany, Kosovo and South Korea. Two: that is actually the plan. To extend the tours and lessen the leaves. The plan does not include troops that were not already commitedto Iraq.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:29 amSorry I forgot Afghanistan.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:31 amOh and I forgot to reiterate: Cheney sought five deferments yet wishes to send our boys back for a fifth tour, with lessened leave. I don’t know how hackers define evil, but…
January 28th, 2007 at 12:37 amAnyone casually watching would probably gather from the coverage that it was just another unfocused bunch of left-leaning groups, using it as an escuse to have a party at the capitol.
Comment by B. Fly — January 27, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
People ” are what they are ”
Cameras and news crews don`t lie.
They can`t make up the news while reporting it.
In a nutshell?
Change your image and get rid of Cindy Sheehan, her image and personna alone is killing the antiwar movement.
SARCASM/OFF
January 28th, 2007 at 12:40 amYou ingrates.
Comment by Joanie Doe — January 28, 2007 @ 12:15 am
BREAKING NEWS-Joanie Doe has no friends at TP. Even Hacker Bob does not like Joanie. Joanie can’t even dance on the head of a pin. Go figure.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:45 amThat’s not the WHite House dumb ass.
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January 28th, 2007 at 12:48 amOh, Jesus!
Here comes rachel’s doodles again.
They are so incredibly stupid.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:54 amChimpler should be arrested. Put him on trial!
January 28th, 2007 at 12:56 amWhat is she, about 10, Spudge_Boy?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:56 amJoanie/Rachel, Its not just our Constitution it is EVERYONES Constitution. OF the People, BY the People, FOR the People! You might want think about that.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:59 amJoanie/Rachel, Its not just our Constitution it is EVERYONES Constitution. OF the People, BY the People, FOR the People! You might want think about that.
Comment by Jim — January 28, 2007 @ 12:59 am
I thought it was ‘of the Dollar, by he Dollar, for the Dollar?’ Did I miss something?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:01 amI put it at about 13.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — January 28, 2007 @ 12:59 am
That would be mentally.
Chronologically, who knows…
January 28th, 2007 at 1:01 amYah, you are probably right, Spudge_Boy,
It’s into that “everything looks like a dick” phase.
(tee hee)
Frickin stupid.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:03 amWhy can’t they just rid us of this stupid, stupid troll?
MA, IRI, Cy Implant were all better than this stupid git.
10’s of thousands? Which is probably inflated. 10’s of thousands? Is that It?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:07 amTerrytheTurtle:Heh, I hope not, just trying to enlighten the Troll.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:07 amthe laughter was supposed to be the troll’s 13 year old’s self.
Certainly not mine.
Sorry for any mis-connotations.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:07 amThe Truth Teller – “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
We are here to set injustice right. To “abolish” destructive Government, and imprison those that have done wrong.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:08 am10’s of thousands? Which is probably inflated. 10’s of thousands? Is that It?
Comment by racheal
What do you want?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:10 am10’s of thousands? Is that It?
Comment by michael — January 28, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Right, they look insignificant compared to the hundreds of thousands who have repeatedly taken to the streets to demonstrate their support for Pres Bush’s policies, many times over the past few months.
Because there have been pro-Bush demonstrations, right? Right?
I suppose your next asinine question will be “Only 70% oppose Pres Bush’s escalation plan? That’s it?”
January 28th, 2007 at 1:18 am“What do you want?”
I don’t want anything. 10’s of thousands is nothing! Are you celebrating this tiny turnout?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:18 amComment by michael — What Republican cause other then the Civil war or a Moonie marriage has ever brought out more people then this, or even come close…ohh yah the war in Iraq.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:25 amAgain, 10’s of thousand? What a SUCCESS! You must be very proud?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:26 ammichael,
January 28th, 2007 at 1:26 amPlease. You know there were 100,000’s of thousands.
michael what do you support about the war? What is your central thesis on why we should stay?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:27 amHey trolls, you’re comments on the news, like…
“Two car bombs in quick succession struck a market in a mainly Shiite district in Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 13 people and wounding more than 40, police said.”
So how is the surge going to stop this from happening?
Also Saturday, the U.S. military on Saturday reported the deaths of seven more American soldiers, raising to at least 12 the number of service members killed in the past three days.
How many more U.S. military personnel are going to die because your mentally deranged leader is the decider?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:27 amWhere are the protestors to protest against these attacks… done in the name of Islam:
http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/globalattacks.jpg
January 28th, 2007 at 1:28 amThe map shows attacks recorded since 2003 onwards.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:31 amMichelle and co. should be very proud that the counter demonstration drew about 40 counter protesters.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:32 am“Please. You know there were 100,000’s of thousands.”
No, the report, on this very blog said 10’s of thousands!
January 28th, 2007 at 1:33 amWhat a SUCCESS! You must be very proud?
Comment by michael — January 28, 2007 @ 1:26 am
It is a huge success… being able to mobilise even 10,000 is no small matter (obviously michael does not know what a crowd of 10,000 looks like). There were also simultaneous rallies in California.
At any rate, even if the rally were made up by just 1,000 people that would be a much, much larger crowd than any pro-Bush demonstration has been able to gather -which has been, uh, oh, 0.
michael’s attempts at minimising the anti-war mood are rather comical.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:36 am“michael what do you support about the war? What is your central thesis on why we should stay?”
To protect the free flow of oil to the rest of the world! If we pull out, who will do this? You? The French? Germans Russians? Wake up!
January 28th, 2007 at 1:36 amwhich is incorrect since the # came from the MSM.
Think for yourself for once, michael.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:37 amWhere are the protestors to protest against these attacks…
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 1:28 am
If you, your friends feel so strongly about those attacks, maybe you should rally people to demonstrate against them?
Why haven’t you?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:38 amAh yes Vince P. Attacks that would not be occuring if we had not gone in thier. Both sides (tragically) are taking advantage of the fact that we had NO PLAN for winning the peace after winning this misguided travesty of a war. In a place we should have NEVER gone into to begin with.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:39 amComment by michael – Yes. Look back at just two years ago and look at the poll numbers who supported the war and the numbers that were protesting…like 6 people. Now look at it. This isn’t a democrat issue. Conservatives and Independents are running faster from this administration then Foley to pajama party. So either your really stupid or you are that 28% that even if you shoved the facts up thier ass they still wouldn’t understand. What we are doing in Iraq is nation building, and while I see this coutry sell our dept to China because of this war; and inturn giving them political and economic influence on a global level. As well I look at North Korea which is a threat get sidestepped as they strengthen thier influence with China.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:39 amI’m still waiting for the reports of all those demonstrators who took to the streets in support of Bush’s War. Surely one of his supporters can provide pictures, reports.. rumors..
January 28th, 2007 at 1:39 am260. That’s not the WHite House dumb ass.
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January 28th, 2007 at 1:39 amyou are a lost cause, Michael.
Hope you understand some day.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:40 am#297: I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting. There probably still working on their spin for what happened. Paging Hannity, Oh, Rush were are you?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:43 am““michael what do you support about the war? What is your central thesis on why we should stay?”
You’re obviously not following this thread. Another subject of public schools I guess. Click the bar on the right upward, and you will find out what I feel about this war. I’m not going to explain it over and over.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:43 am“Free flow of oil to the rest of the world” – ROTFLMAO
Check the price tag for this. http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/133/2/
Guess what, Saddam still would have had to sell his oil…. it’s called capitalism, the free market – maybe you’ve heard of it?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:43 amMichael: These people dont spend two seconds thinking about the consequence of our surrendering.
Since 2003, the Jihadist have killed at least 28,900 people and injured 49,000 in 46 countries. It’s a global war and they confident on their objective and now they could rely on these folks here to cause the US to lose resolve. Their whole strategy against the US is based on it.
Don’t any of you Anti-US-Victory people ever wonder why it is that you’re doing exactly what the Jihadis require of you?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:45 am“Think for yourself for once, michael”
Let’s show everyone your IQ and explain your comment? I’m ready!
January 28th, 2007 at 1:45 am“you are a lost cause, Michael.”
Explain, if you can?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:47 am295: In the book “Inside the Jihad”, the Arab Jihadis running the camps in Afghanistan had decided that Iraq would be their next country to Jihad against. And that was in 1995.
Please educate yourself on the motivations of your enemy , they are not Marxists. They are not Leftist, They dont know you’re still in 1968.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:49 amTo protect the free flow of oil to the rest of the world! If we pull out, who will do this? You? The French? Germans Russians? Wake up!
Comment by michael
I like that…honest answer. So those crazy liberals that have been screaming all these years for fuel effiency, and alternatives to fossil fuels where called crazy fanatics by the right. Yet, they were right. It would have been nice to take that accumulated 3 trillion that will be invested in this war by years end and come up with a different solution to oil. Your central thesis is; so you can drive an SUV around to the night clubs to get lap dances thats ok, and this is justified to kill 260,000 people for shit that spews out of the ground? Wow. You will burn in hell.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:50 amTo protect the free flow of oil to the rest of the world!
Comment by michael — January 28, 2007 @ 1:36 am
In other words, it is ok to invade and occupy a country to gain access to its natural resources. It’s better than to pay for said resource.
michael just showed what a compassionate person he is: Others have to die so he can drive his SUV. That is his support for the troops.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:51 amOh Pulleezze Vince, Grow up and get a Clue!! You’re as bad as Chimpy’s trainer. Insulting the intelligence and courage of the American People is so beyond the pale. Is that all you and your ilk have left? Because if it is then your done.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:51 am“Michael: These people dont spend two seconds thinking about the consequence of our surrendering.”
I know they don’t. I won’t be as polite as you. They are terrorist enablers, aka, traitors!
January 28th, 2007 at 1:51 am“Insulting the intelligence and courage of the American People”
And I’m sure you can present an example?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:53 am309: Calling me names or using association fallacies doesn’t make you correct.
A pure form of Islam has declared war on Non Muslims. It doesnt matter if you’re “for” or “against” “the war”… it’s being waged against you and I. It’s current roots go back to the reform movement of the late 1800s and the writing of Qutb ,who in 1949 declared that the US must be destroyed in order to advance Dar Es Islam.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:54 amAgain, look at this map of attacks by Islamists since 2003.
http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/globalattacks.jpg
No one with a brain can saddle that on the US
January 28th, 2007 at 1:56 am“Michael: These people dont spend two seconds thinking about the consequence of our surrendering.â€
I know they don’t. I won’t be as polite as you. They are terrorist enablers, aka, traitors!
Comment by michael
None have mentioned surrender, they are speaking of redeployment. As the Iraqis stand up we will stand down. Remember? The United States has the airpower and the weaponry, without nukes, to pretty much annihilate Iraq. That is not the plan. The plan is to bring Democracy and trade because trade brings moderation and peace. If we needed oil that badly, use your logic, wouldn’t it be much easier to invade say Venezuela?
Cmon Michael use the noggin.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:57 am308: so are you saying that we shouldn’t help ensure the people of Iraq can get thier product to market.. man , you really dont’ want them to have any money do you?
Oh, wait. you think we actually control it, physically, even though we don’t. Please take the 1968 decals down. They’re embarassing.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:59 amJTitor,
And all these years when we were screaming that this was a war over oil, and we were accused of being “crazy liberal fanatics” -we were right.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:59 am“In other words, it is ok to invade and occupy a country to gain access to its natural resources. It’s better than to pay for said resource.”
And I suppose it’s ok with with you to pay $10, $20, $30, a gallon of gas? If that’s ok, then let’s get the troops out and remember who made that decision. We have plenty of those reserves in this country but you liberals won’t let us take ADANTAGE OF IT SO WE REMAIN DEPENDANT ON ARAB OIL! Answer?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:00 amDon’t any of you Anti-US-Victory people ever wonder why it is that you’re doing exactly what the Jihadis require of you?
Comment by Vince P
Anti-US-Victory? What the fu@k is that? If we were interested in securing this country we would have sealed off the borders, rounded up all the illegal aliens and sent them back to thier perspective coutries. No instead the borders are wide open and unprotected, and the NeoCons have the gull to rail against the concerned citizens that group in malitias to try and protect this country. Now GW wants to build a Nafta super highway that comes up from south America through the bible belt and into Canada. Then once this is in place he wants to end America’s soverienty by making North American Union. Boy thats patriotic. When will you learn that your a pawn…they don’t care about you or the constitution.
Iraq was contained and harmless, as well secular.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:01 amJoanie: Leaving is surrendering. The enemy we’re fighting has the objective to drive us out. You only ensure much more destruction by motivating and emboldening a group of people who think nothing is greater than dying in Jihad for Allah.
We are there to prevent the establishment of a caliphate.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:01 amso are you saying that we shouldn’t help ensure the people of Iraq can get thier product to market..
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 1:59 am
They were already taking their product to the market before the invasion. What a twisted, sick logic.
And there is no point in showing me maps of Islamic attacks. If you feel so strongly about them, don’t pass the responsibility for organising rallies to someone else -organise them yourself.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:03 amVince: and going into Iraq helps us..how? I grant the argument that we do have a war on our hands with Al-Queda (sp?) But you miss the central argument against what Bush and company did.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:04 amBy waging aggressive war against a country that had NOTHING to with Osama bin Landen, Radical Islam or 9-11 for that manner he has made us that much more vulnerable to another attack if and when it comes God Forbid.
No Country that wages Aggressive or Pre-Emptive War on another country ever wins it or accomplishes want it wants. In the end they either lose or are destroyed. Their are countless examples of this in history. If you want an example, look at what happened to Germany and Japan. Extreme example? I do not think so.
JT: All that stuff is besides the point… the fact that Muslims are waging Jihad on us is indepenent of the subjecting-changing things you brought up.
And if you’re really worried about some highway from Chile to Texas and you think it would be done in two years then you’re really dumb.
A US Victory is that which denies the jihadis a victory.
That’s probaly to selfish for you, huh
January 28th, 2007 at 2:04 amAnd I suppose it’s ok with with you to pay $10, $20, $30, a gallon of gas?
Comment by michael — January 28, 2007 @ 2:00 am
So that is the price of human life for you: Less than $10.
Human life is not worth a damn in conservative-land.
If that’s ok, then let’s get the troops out and remember who made that decision.
No problem, my conscience will be at peace.
We have plenty of those reserves in this country but you liberals won’t let us take ADANTAGE OF IT SO WE REMAIN DEPENDANT ON ARAB OIL! Answer?
Typing in capitals won’t make your argument any more valid or sane.
Before the invasion, the price of oil wasn’t at $10 a barrel so I am not sure I understand your premise. Are you saying that, had the US not invaded, Hussein would have raised the price of oil?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:07 amAnd I suppose it’s ok with with you to pay $10, $20, $30, a gallon of gas? If that’s ok, then let’s get the troops out and remember who made that decision. We have plenty of those reserves in this country but you liberals won’t let us take ADANTAGE OF IT SO WE REMAIN DEPENDANT ON ARAB OIL! Answer?
Comment by michael
The Liberals, as you think, have not impeded the decider in any way. Cmon dude your soundng paranoid. The oil companies are signing thirty year contracts for Iraqi oil as we speak which is really only where some 16% of our oil comes from.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:08 amVince: The Caliphate is in the processof being established. We have opened that door ourselves and have truly screwed ourselves as well as the Iraqi people because of the disaster we’ve inflicted on them.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:08 amJim: The true reasons for the war were not the ones emphasized in public. There were 22 justifications in the authorization for war. And no one ever made the assertion that Iraq was involved in 9/11, only that Iraq had given support to Al Qaida before.
We’re in Iraq for multiple reasons.. one was that it was the one country that was politically acceptable or tolerable by other world powers. (there would have been opposition all around to invading Iran, for instance). And that Saddam was too unpredictable and had motive to scheme
Can you imagine if he was still in power.. then both Iraq and Iran would be engaged in a nuclear arms race right now.
Israel lauched preemptive war in 1968.. that went rather well.
What other examples of preemptive war do you have to back up your point?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:09 amRachel stop being Vince P, michael….it’s so easy to see through it. You use the same little jabs, verbage, syntax, and when you get backed into a corner you create a new character to try and hide your ignorence. Your 22 years old not in high school anymore.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:09 am“they are speaking of redeployment.”
Really? Where? When?
“The United States has the airpower and the weaponry, without nukes, to pretty much annihilate Iraq.”
Yes we do! But because of weak need liberals like you their hands are tied!
“The plan is to bring Democracy and trade because trade brings moderation and peace.
Of course it does, why don’t liberals understand that sometimes force is required?
“If we needed oil that badly, use your logic, wouldn’t it be much easier to invade say Venezuela?”
It has nothing to do with us. The world “MARKETS” are dependent on the free flow of oil! If the terrorists take control of those fields, you have no idea what you and your family is in for.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:10 amWe have plenty of those reserves in this country but you liberals won’t let us take ADANTAGE OF IT SO WE REMAIN DEPENDANT ON ARAB OIL! Answer?
No, the ‘liberals’ have not. Todays crude ls tommorows gold. Think damnit.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:10 amhaha, 8,000-12,000 people show up and you claim “tens of thousands.”
sad.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:11 am“and when you get backed into a corner”
That’s funny, it’s never happened! If you disagree, share with the rest of us when it happened. Can’t wait!
January 28th, 2007 at 2:12 amAnd I suppose it’s ok with with you to pay $10, $20, $30, a gallon of gas?
Hmm, before 2001, I was paying, oh $1.50 a gallon, one Iraqi clusterf*** later, I’m paying $2.50 on a good week…. tell me again, how does your logic work?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:14 amJim: I get it, Under no circumstance will you not blame the US for all the ill in the world.
So even though iraq was identified as the Arab’s next Islamic battlefield in 1995 , you still find a way to close your eyes to any history that happened before 2001.
What accounts for such refusal to be objective?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:15 amIt has nothing to do with us. The world “MARKETS†are dependent on the free flow of oil! If the terrorists take control of those fields, you have no idea what you and your family is in for.
Comment by michael
The sky is not falling Michael.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:16 am“Hmm, before 2001, I was paying, oh $1.50 a gallon, one Iraqi clusterf*** later, I’m paying $2.50 on a good week…. tell me again, how does your logic work?”
ironic statement coming from a liberal, considering ya’ll think we went into iraq to steal their oil.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:18 amIf the terrorists take control of those fields, you have no idea what you and your family is in for.
Oh maybe $2.50 a gallon – I can handle that.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:18 amVince: It did? You make want to ask the average Israeli about that now. BTW what exactly were the 22 justifications for war that you write of? And I would add that 9-11 was one of the early justifications used by the administration for going in. The Admin. used that amongst the other, numerous lies that were foisted upon a gullible (no more ) American People.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:19 amAs for other examples, Rome and her Wars come to mine or Israel this past Summer in Lebanon. Iraq attacking Kuwait and attacking Iran earlier before that.
Oh wingnutt, be careful how you pigeon hole….your generalities make you look silly.
“considering ya’ll think we went into iraq to steal their oil” – oops, that’s a straw man…. you need to tighten up your debating sonny.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:22 amMICHAEL:
valiant effort in the moonbatcave, but they’re a pretty lost cause here.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:22 amOh wingnutt, be careful how you pigeon hole….your generalities make you look silly.
“considering ya’ll think we went into iraq to steal their oil†– oops, that’s a straw man…. you need to tighten up your debating sonny.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
so we didn’t go into iraq for oil? fhew!
January 28th, 2007 at 2:24 amHow to answer such drivel from you Vince. First off I don’t blame the US for all the ills of the World. I do blame, however the Bush Admin. for the Hubris and Arrogance for getting us into the fix that we’re in now. And I am and objective fellow. The fact that I’m carrying on the conversation with you is proof of that.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:25 amSecondly, don’t patronize me or insult my intellegince. I am well aware of my history.
MICHAEL:
valiant effort in the moonbatcave, but they’re a pretty lost cause here.
Comment by wingnutt
How much oil do we get from Nigeria wingnutt?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:27 amre #339
nice reach-around.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:28 amIt has nothing to do with us. The world “MARKETS†are dependent on the free flow of oil! If the terrorists take control of those fields, you have no idea what you and your family is in for.
Comment by michael
So how did we get to this place michael? We have been at the “Tipping Point” for oil production since at least 2005. With China’s increase in demand for oil, and the US invading Iran, do you think China will sit back and let this happen? The natural progression to this scenario is nuclear. I understand where your coming from but cannot think of a scenario where there would be a feasible solution. Sorry for calling you Rachel, just the first time we’ve talked, thought you were a troll. My bad.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:28 amI put the 22 reasons here in a message I sent just before this one. If this message appears and they dont that means it was too long.
You can view them here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
January 28th, 2007 at 2:29 amso we didn’t go into iraq for oil? fhew!
Comment by wingnutt — January 28, 2007 @ 2:24 am
You mean you still can’t make your mind up? Come on it’s your war, you ought to know why hundreds of thousands of people need to die to fill your Hummer….didn’t you get this week’s talking points? LMAO
January 28th, 2007 at 2:29 amYou mean you still can’t make your mind up? Come on it’s your war, you ought to know why hundreds of thousands of people need to die to fill your Hummer….didn’t you get this week’s talking points? LMAO
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
that’s right. my war. I fought it – you didn’t. now hush.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:32 amWe have plenty of those reserves in this country but you liberals won’t let us take ADANTAGE OF IT SO WE REMAIN DEPENDANT ON ARAB OIL! Answer?
Prove it tosspot.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:35 am341 Jim: Sorry I descended to name-calling. I will try to avoid it.
I support the war such that I support fighting these people and not pretending they dont exist as so many other do.
Has Bush made mistakes? Hell yes. Though it seems to me in most major wars in the past, it always seemed like the first few years were always full of screw ups, so it’s not unique here.
The switch from Invasion to occupation was abysimal , though I did some research into it, and the US military has been sounding taht alarm since the Panama invasion.. that the US agencies are broken and incapable of setting up shop in teh aftermath of an invasion which is why the military had to get more and more involved with that aspect as the 90s and 2000s came on.
So I dont think it’s entirely fair to lay all that at Bush. Our govt in general has profound problems ,, it’s not prepared for the post-Cold World war.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:35 amIn 2000 we were importing just over 50% of our oil needs. Today it’s over 60%. How’s that breaking our dependancy wingnut?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:36 amSURGE is needed
http://cagle.msnbc.com/politicalcartoons/
January 28th, 2007 at 2:36 amSo basically Vince, what your telling me is that a PACKAGE OF LIES was the justification for War? Yep, that’s what I thought. Lies are what corrupt regimes use to justify aggressive and ujust wars. And that is what we have in Washington. What was that that Bush said about Regime change? Time for one here methinks.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:37 amso we didn’t go into iraq for oil? fhew!
Comment by wingnutt
That would seem to be what your advocating — war for oil.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:37 amIn 2003 it was mushroom clouds and WMD. The united states controlled the airspace over IRAQ for 10 years. The terrorists did not come from Iraq, they came from Saudi (oil rich country) and Afghanistan. Saddam was a problem, but now this peace operation is undermining the war on terrorism AND driving up oil prices.
that’s right. my war. I fought it – you didn’t. now hush.
Comment by wingnutt — January 28, 2007 @ 2:32 am
George W is that you? Put away your Risk board, don’t you think you’ve done enough?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:37 amAllright folks. Its almost 1:00 AM Mountain Time here in Basalt, CO. Time for beddy bye for this kid. I’ve been up since 5:00 AM. Its been a slice.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:41 amGeorge W is that you? Put away your Risk board, don’t you think you’ve done enough?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
haha.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:41 amThat’s right. my war. I fought it – you didn’t. now hush.
Comment by wingnutt
Yet I hear these people Oreilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Goldberg talk patriotic smak all the time, but never serve. Do you think they, with their jet airplanes and gas guzzlers care about you? These people are in no way conservative. Heck I am more conservative than them, as you likely are as well.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:44 am352: No, no lies. Some things were emphasised ahead of others. I guess because they thought that was the path of least resistance in the UN.
A lot of things haven’t been said in plain english by the administration, a lot is left to read between the lines. It’s my own theory that we invaded Iraq primarily to get our foot in the door for eventual attacks on iran and saudi arabia (the leaders of shiia and sunni muslims and their global branches). If that is the reason, of course it wouldn’t be publicized. But even if its not the reason, tehre were so many reasons to invade that even half of them were discredited , there are still many legitimate reasons.
It’s crucially important to give people in taht region another system other than arab secular dicatorship and islamic dictatorship.
The world will not survive if Islam caliphate is established.
Bush should be saying this stuff every week on tv to people , but he doesn’t. Its something which frustrates many people who are aware of these issues. So i wont defend Bush’s exteremely negligant leadership.
So how you get that lies were told mystifies me.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:44 amI’m tired too.. typing ability is degrading rapidly.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:45 amNow hush? Wingnutt if you did fight it then you are fighting for the right of every american to continue to use the right of free speech. Are you saying because you pulled a trigger nobody else can talk against what you were aiming at?
The military gives up certain freedoms so others may keep theirs. Don’t you remember?
Not being a good soldier if you forget that. You could just as easily turn into a brownshirt with that type of talk.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:46 am“But even if its not the reason, tehre were so many reasons to invade that even half of them were discredited , there are still many legitimate reasons. ”
should be
“But even if its not the reason, tehre were so many reasons to invade that even if half of them were discredited , there are still many legitimate reasons. “
January 28th, 2007 at 2:47 amYet I hear these people Oreilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Goldberg talk patriotic smak all the time, but never serve. Do you think they, with their jet airplanes and gas guzzlers care about you? These people are in no way conservative. Heck I am more conservative than them, as you likely are as well.
Comment by Joanie D’oh
your implication that one must serve in order to support this war is pathetic and degrades those who have served.
I serve in a volunteer military that protects their right to support this war without serving, and your right to oppose this war without serving.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:49 amwingnutt: You would think by listening to these Leftist that they dont believe in civilian control of the military.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:51 amVince, were their purchases of yellow cake uranium? Were there mobile labs? How about anything close to resembling a mushroom cloud? And those aluminum tubes, what nuclear use was there for them? When did Bush listen to his Generals?
I can go on but you get the idea. No lies. Then Karl and Dick have nothing to fear when they are called to the libby trial.
Just because you can’t see the lies doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:52 amNot being a good soldier if you forget that. You could just as easily turn into a brownshirt with that type of talk.
Comment by mr. charlie
a.) I’m not a soldier. you civilians seem to group all the branches into one.
b.) the ‘hush’ comment was directed at the implication that this was “my war.” if in fact someone believes this is “my war” (which it is not), then they should leave it up to me to speak about.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:52 amRush, a chickenhawk, and drug addict gets on the radio and talks about how the liberals did this or that when he is one. Do you think Limbaugh would even have a job if he didn’t basically attack himself and fill people full of inflammatory bilge?
your implication that one must serve in order to support this war is pathetic and degrades those who have served.
Yeh EXACTLY!!!!!
January 28th, 2007 at 2:52 amMy take on the “surge” is not that the Bush administration wants to embed these troops as further peace-keepers, but instead they will be used as ground troops for an multi-stage assault on both Syria and Iran. They will positioned on the Iranian border and used for this assault. Isreal will attack Syria and the natural progression is China ad Russia will then get involved. Hence, full scale nuclear war. I’d rather ride my bike.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:53 amJust shot yourself and your party in the foot there wingnutt.
that’s right. my war. I fought it – you didn’t. now hush.
Comment by wingnutt
I didn’t ever say I was for surrender, I said redeployment and that this war in Iraq is undermining the war on terror. How is that not supporting the war on terror?
Why don’t you challenge Oreilly to serve or tell him to hush his divise rhetoric eh? You think that my family has not served, and is not serving? Then you are wrong. We fought for the right for people like Limbaugh to shoot his fool mouth off.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:57 amMy take on the “surge†is not that the Bush administration wants to embed these troops as further peace-keepers, but instead they will be used as ground troops for an multi-stage assault on both Syria and Iran. They will positioned on the Iranian border and used for this assault. Isreal will attack Syria and the natural progression is China ad Russia will then get involved. Hence, full scale nuclear war. I’d rather ride my bike.
Comment by JTitor
your take is wrong. the vast majority of the “surge” (which woudl be more accurately described as an “overlap) will reside in baghdad and increase our troop strength by 150%.
further, it will increase our troop-to-task ratio to 50:1 and our troop-to-enemy ratio to 10/15:1.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:58 amre 364
In other words, you lack the courage to follow your beliefs with tangible actions, choosing instead to let others do the service you cannot bring yourself to do. Anyone unwilling to follow their words with actions is a coward, plain and simple.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:58 amJT: not only that, but we moved a squandron of stealth fighters to South Korea last month.
This is a war brought on by iran and north korea. We’ve already delayed too long in confronting it.
Iran declared war on the US in 1979 and has been at war with us since. We neglect these problems at our peril.
I think Israel will be attacking Iranian facilities. We wont be doing any ground invasion. We will attack North Korea faclities and perhaps even pakistans.
And then brace for the reaction.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:58 amplease accept my apologies wingnutt, didn’t bother to look back 300 postings to find the branch of service. I’ll use your terminology to clarify.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:59 am1) I was using the generalization of “soldier” to respond to your insult in attempting to shut someone up because it was your war.
2) Your second comment states if it was your war then we should just leave you to speak about it. Conflicts what vince p. says that it’s the civilians the run the military.
I serve in a volunteer military that protects their right to support this war without serving, and your right to oppose this war without serving.
Comment by wingnutt —
We all serve the constitution wingnutt. Do you believe in the constitution, bill of rights, and the declaration of independence?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 amWhy don’t you challenge Oreilly to serve or tell him to hush his divise rhetoric eh?
Comment by Joanie D’oh
because I believe in his right to not serve and hold any opinions he desires.
coming from a military family, this you should understand.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 amJoanie: Do you know what the difference between Democrats and conservatives is?
Conservatives are Americans before they are republicans. Democrats are just democrats.
Recently some Republicans (especially the leadership) had started to act like Democrats, and the conservatives made them lose.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 amMr Charlie: I took wingnutts statement as hyperbole for the purpose of a joke, not a position on military control of the govt
January 28th, 2007 at 3:02 amOh I just noticed number 343 is my post with the 22 reasons (last time i counted was some time ago, so its possible its not exact) stated in teh authorization for war.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:08 amplease accept my apologies wingnutt, didn’t bother to look back 300 postings to find the branch of service. I’ll use your terminology to clarify.
1) I was using the generalization of “soldier†to respond to your insult in attempting to shut someone up because it was your war.
2) Your second comment states if it was your war then we should just leave you to speak about it. Conflicts what vince p. says that it’s the civilians the run the military.
Comment by mr. charlie
haha.
I never said it was my war. however, if someone (aka terrytheturtle) wants to play the “this is your war” card, I think it should abide by the rules of its own game.
but again, I don’t agree with terrytheturtle’s “this is your war” belief.
and yes, there is some truth to the “civilians run the military” arguement. however, it depends on what capacity to which you speak.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:08 amWe all serve the constitution wingnutt. Do you believe in the constitution, bill of rights, and the declaration of independence?
Comment by JTitor
rhetorical questions bore me.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:09 amyour take is wrong. the vast majority of the “surge†(which woudl be more accurately described as an “overlap) will reside in baghdad and increase our troop strength by 150%.
further, it will increase our troop-to-task ratio to 50:1 and our troop-to-enemy ratio to 10/15:1.
Comment by wingnutt
I personally don’t believe that. It’s obvious to me that this isn’t any war on terrorism, but instead a clairity by some of how the the remaining oil will divided. The military has made thier recommendations in the past that where ignored by this administration for this agenda. Destablize the region to support an agenda that meets a particular end. Do you think for second they give a shit about you or I, or the troops for that matter?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:10 amMr Charlie: I took wingnutts statement as hyperbole for the purpose of a joke, not a position on military control of the govt
Comment by Vince P
rationality does exist!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:11 ambecause I believe in his right to not serve and hold any opinions he desires.
coming from a military family, this you should understand.
Comment by wingnutt
It is not up to you or me to tell people what to think or opine in a Democratic society.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:12 amDo you think for second they give a shit about you or I, or the troops for that matter?
Comment by JTitor
yup.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:13 amwingnutt: It’s only simple reading comprehension and looking at what someone wrote FROM THEIR POV and not thinking like you’re in a conspiracy or doing some fraud…. which I beleive is how they think and that’s why they think everyone else does.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:13 amI’ll ask wingnutt being the military liason in this thread. What do you suppose 21,500 more troops in Iraq will accomplish? It brings the total in the area to around 200,000 with 140,000 in Iraq. We have 2 carrier groups just off the coast and I’m not sure if that number is included in the roughly 200,000 troops.
What do you suppose will happen if we attack Iran as some believe? How many Iranians are going to flood across the border. Do you think 200,000 troops can repel them? Theres 350,000 Iranian troops and several million pissed off Iraqis that would probably join their side. So we’d be looking at 1 million new soldiers (I’ll use the term here if you don’t mind).
What do we have in our back pocket to counter this? 3rd and 4th tours of duty for any of the soldiers with knowledge and experience so maybe 400,000. Out of that, only a small percentage are the actual trigger pullers (not being a soldier you might not understand that term but I am a vet (Army) so I’ll use it). We have been dusting off the selective service board so the draft will come back but that won’t give us boots on the ground for 6 to 9 months, if not longer.
So how do we repel these masses? Oh, that’s why there’s those carriers out in the gulf. They’ll use tactical nukes in Iran, Afghanistan and possibly Iraq. All for what, because Saddam didn’t have WMD’s? Oil? Revenge? Armagedon? I guess it won’t matter much after that.
Brilliant. GW will get his end of the world scenario and we are all his f&%king pawns.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:13 amJoanie: Do you know what the difference between Democrats and conservatives is?
Today it amounts to nothing more than lip service and a badge to hide behind.
Like the kid on the schoolground who would hide behind the teacher and make faces while you took the heat fo what they started.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:15 amIt is not up to you or me to tell people what to think or opine in a Democratic society.
Comment by Joanie D’oh
exactly, and in a country that maintains a volunteer military, it’s not up to you or me to decide who should serve in the armed forces.
get off the chickenhawk rail, it degrades those in uniform.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:15 am383: Oh, except you do, and many times in this thread.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:16 amI’ll ask wingnutt being the military liason in this thread. What do you suppose 21,500 more troops in Iraq will accomplish?
…
What do you suppose will happen if we attack Iran as some believe?
Comment by mr. charlie
stay focused. regarding the surge:
as I stated before, the “surge” will increase our troop strength in baghdad (where approx 80% of the nation’s violence occurs) by 150%.
our troop-to-task ratio will equal 50:1 and our troop-to-enemy ratio will equal 10/15:1.
these numbers and this plan are of sound military doctrine.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:20 amre #387
Once again, we see wingnutt shamelessly hiding behind “those in uniform”, using their bravado and committment to country to mask his cowardice. One can only hope that when the terrorists arrive here for real, that fair-weather patriots like wingnut(less) are the exception, not the rule.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:20 amget off the chickenhawk rail, it degrades those in uniform.
Comment by wingnutt
Nice try but I aint buying it.
Those chickenhawks are the ones that got those in uniform where they are. It’s them that degrades those in uniform sir. You are fighting so they can continue to hide behind an illusory conservative smokescreen?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:21 amrhetorical questions bore me.
Comment by wingnutt
So, your communist? Ok. Your Trotskite friends, the NeoCons know exactly what thier doing.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:23 amre #387
Once again, we see wingnutt shamelessly hiding behind “those in uniformâ€, using their bravado and committment to country to mask his cowardice. One can only hope that when the terrorists arrive here for real, that fair-weather patriots like wingnut(less) are the exception, not the rule.
Comment by spotthecoward
“their bravado”? “hiding behind ‘those in uniform’”? haha. I hide behind no one and wear my own uniform, genius.
another confused civilian.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:24 amNice try but I aint buying it.
Those chickenhawks are the ones that got those in uniform where they are. It’s them that degrades those in uniform sir. You are fighting so they can continue to hide behind an illusory conservative smokescreen?
Comment by Joanie D’oh
please. there was no outcry when clinton put ‘those in uniform’ in harm’s way. the only time lefties scream “chickenhawk” is when a republican resides in the white house.
brief anti-war history lesson:
1. US Civil War: first time there is a Republican President – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:27 am2. Spanish/American War: Republican President – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
3. World War One: Democratic President – no anti-war movement.
4. World War Two: Democratic President – no anti-war movement.
5. Korean War: Democratic President – no anti-war movement.
6. Vietnam War: As soon as a Republican took over the botched war from the Democrats – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
7. Last Ten Years of the Cold War: Republican President – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
8. Gulf War: Republican President – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
9. Kosovo War: Democratic President – no anti-war movement.
10. War on Terrorism: Republican President – very large, Democratic anti-war movement.
So the surge is just to qwell the immediate violence wingnutt. No long term training. And after we kill, capture, subdue, scare off or any number of other possibilities we “achieve” over the insurgents we’ll scale back? We’ll start (again) training the Iraqi troops? Aren’t the Iraqi troops being questioned for the latest killing of 5 Americans? The bad guys knew exactly when our guys would be going thru a certain area.
How do you know the ratio of good guys to bad when you can’t determine who the bad guys are.
Don’t push your “stay focused” crap on me. You flat out ignored my questions and only stuck to your comfortable but inaccurate answer.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:28 amWhat uniform is that, bozo? If you’re claiming to be serving or have previously served in the military, what proof do you offer? How do we know that you are not just another lying troll attempting to cloak himself in the accomplishments of others?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:29 amwingnutt: and how about the fact the Left said NOTHING about the fact that our war agaisnt Serbia had neither congressional or UN support.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:30 amWhat uniform is that, bozo? If you’re claiming to be serving or have previously served in the military, what proof do you offer? How do we know that you are not just another lying troll attempting to cloak himself in the accomplishments of others?
Comment by spotthecoward
trust me. the medals I wear on my chest and the rank I wear on my collar have nothing to do with whether or not you believe me.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:32 amSo the surge is just to qwell the immediate violence wingnutt. No long term training.
Comment by mr. charlie
there is a ton of long term training occurring in Iraq per the IA and IP. but yes, the surge is definitely intended to squash current violence in the capital.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:34 amwingnutt, you have a right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. There has been protests from both sides of the isles on all wars we have faced. You so quickly forget about Kosovo. Here’s a reminder:
The Nation http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990531/editors
read it, come back and admit you are wrong. Then drop the bullshit
January 28th, 2007 at 3:34 amwingnutt: that’s a good point. from our experience in Iraq, our military is going to be very well adjusted to fight this enemy in the future.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:35 amwingnutt: and how about the fact the Left said NOTHING about the fact that our war agaisnt Serbia had neither congressional or UN support.
Comment by Vince P
haha. or the fact that democrats didn’t care about clinton’s no-bid contracts with halliburton either.
that’s a fun bedtime story.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:35 amThat’s the point. I don’t trust you. Talk is cheap and so far, that’s all you’ve got.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:36 amDo comments sometimes disappear and reappear in here? I pasted some long-ass thing about Iran and I knew i had once seen but now i dont.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:38 amwingnutt: that’s a good point. from our experience in Iraq, our military is going to be very well adjusted to fight this enemy in the future.
Comment by Vince P
we’re looking at one of the most experienced militaries in the history of our nation. lance corporals and LTs with two or three combat tours!
the leadership that will emerge from this war is astounding.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 amOh now it’s back
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 amplease. there was no outcry when clinton put ‘those in uniform’ in harm’s way. the only time lefties scream “chickenhawk†is when a republican resides in the white house.
Actually the neo-cons are basically extremist leftists and not conservatives.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 amThat’s the point. I don’t trust you. Talk is cheap and so far, that’s all you’ve got.
Comment by spotthecoward
no one cares.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 amplease. there was no outcry when clinton put ‘those in uniform’ in harm’s way. the only time lefties scream “chickenhawk†is when a republican resides in the white house.
brief anti-war history lesson:
Comment by wingnutt
There has been antiwar movements in every war regardless of president: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war#American_Civil_War
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 amDo comments sometimes disappear and reappear in here? I pasted some long-ass thing about Iran and I knew i had once seen but now i dont.
Comment by Vince P
oh yes, this comment section does some off the wall type stuff. no joke.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:40 amAnd the success ratio for the training? didn’t we go thru this last year with “when they stand up we’ll stand down” and they gave us some number of 300,000 troops. We all waited to see those troops but when they got to that number GW changed his postion and it then came out that they weren’t really trained well and the number dropped by 200,000.
So this time is going to be different and we should believe GW now even though he was wrong about the training, wrong about the WMD’s, wrong about the democracy (we won’t even go there but democracy is not even a pipe dream for this country any more).
I thank you for your service to this country and I do mean that. I also believe you are wrong. Not for serving but wrong for believing the lies. Our nation is at it’s greatest when it’s the example of freedom. We haven’t been that for a couple of years now.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:41 amTo me there is nothing more disrespectful then when these Anti-US-Victory people go “Well.. ARE YOU SENDING YOUR KID TO WAR”
As if we have a military of kids. Our military is comprised of men and women who, generally, are better educated than their peers and are a whole heck of lot more inspiring too.
To dismiss them as victims and childern is offensive. Especially when a communist is the one pretending to care about them.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:41 amAll political persuasions agree neocons are not conservatives. Irving Kristol, who accepts the title of neoconservatism’s “godfather,†has written that the neoconservative’s goal is:
“to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.â€
Two conservatives, Halper and Clarke, in their recent book, America Alone, conclude:
“Neoconservatives have taken American international relations on an unfortunate detour, veering away from the balanced, consensus-building … approach that has characterized traditional Republican internationalism … and acted more as a special interest focused on its particular agenda.”
http://zfacts.com/p/253.html
January 28th, 2007 at 3:42 ammr charlie: a lie means that a person said something knowing in advance that what they are saying is not true.
Evidence please to back up your claim of lies in 411.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:43 amI thank you for your service to this country and I do mean that. I also believe you are wrong. Not for serving but wrong for believing the lies. Our nation is at it’s greatest when it’s the example of freedom. We haven’t been that for a couple of years now.
Comment by mr. charlie
the beauty of our country is that you can believe I have succumb to lies and I can know you that you are wrong.
haha.
for those of you on the left, that was a joke.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:45 amTo dismiss them as victims and childern is offensive. Especially when a communist is the one pretending to care about them.
Comment by Vince P
preach on brother, preach on!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:46 amJoanie: A Neoconservative is a 60’s hippy who left the camp of the thought police and other leftist behavior and found themselves suddenly on the right though it was not their intention. They are interventionalists because they beleive their former views they had when they were hippies that you should appease all enemies and laugh at things like duty and sacrifice because they distract from partying and being a slut was wrong.
That’s why the Eastern European nations are more favorable to the US than Western Europe. The left in West Europe were more than content to let Eastern Europe say inprisoned by the Soviet Union forever. while the US actively opposed.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:48 amJust as I thought. All talk and no walk. Have you ever considered running for public office? You appear thus far to have the requisite lack of credibility that is so critical these days when one decides to (mis)represent the people.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:48 amJoanie: A Neoconservative is a 60’s hippy who left the camp of the thought police and other leftist behavior and found themselves suddenly on the right though it was not their intention. They are interventionalists because they beleive their former views they had when they were hippies that you should appease all enemies and laugh at things like duty and sacrifice because they distract from partying and being a slut was wrong.
That’s why the Eastern European nations are more favorable to the US than Western Europe. The left in West Europe were more than content to let Eastern Europe say inprisoned by the Soviet Union forever. while the US actively opposed.
Comment by Vince P
interesting.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:49 am414. I believe the answer to that question for evidence is now being played out in the Libby trial for one. GW is quoted saying he would listen to his Generals but Gen. Shinsenki stated over 350,000 troops should be used to win the peace after the initial combat. He wasn’t listened to. Former Gen. Colin Powel’s entire (and successful) doctrine was not adhered to. The falacy of yellow cake uranium was known by the White House before GW’s SOTU speech but yet he still used it in the speech. That is a lie by your own definition.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:49 amThe main point about so-called neoconservatives was the fact that these folks were from the Left originally.
So you can understand the BINGO-CARDization of the term by the left. And it is sometimes a code word for Jews.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:51 amthe beauty of our country is that you can believe I have succumb to lies and I can know you that you are wrong.
haha.
for those of you on the left, that was a joke.
Comment by wingnutt
Political ideology came after man. I don’t consider myself a lefty or righty really. But since you brough it up neo-conservatism requires misleading statements.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:51 amJust as I thought. All talk and no walk. Have you ever considered running for public office? You appear thus far to have the requisite lack of credibility that is so critical these days when one decides to (mis)represent the people.
Comment by spotthecoward
still, no one cares.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:52 am421: Well I dont believe Shinsenki had the final word on the matter. Or are you laughably saying that every and all opiniojn should have been implemented?
Do you think about what you say before you say it?
Yellow cake thing ended up being proved to have not been anything that could be called a lie by the white house. I thought the issue was ridiculious from teh start, so i dont remember the details. I was busy payign attention to things that really matterd and not the Spy vs Spy fantasy games by Mr Plame.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:54 amVinnie, you got some pretty set views on liberals and conservatives.
Rove was never a hippie. Bush, has only been a lacky for the Neocons, Rumsfeld, Cheney Hippies? It’s you who should put the pipe down.
wingnutt, it’s not interesting. it’s just digital rants. Kind of like your no protest rant. Not factual, but typed so well.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:55 amPolitical ideology came after man. I don’t consider myself a lefty or righty really. But since you brough it up neo-conservatism requires misleading statements.
Comment by Joanie D’oh
umm, you’re confused. I never said anything about neo-conservatism.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:56 amJoanie: A Neoconservative is a 60’s hippy who left the camp of the thought police and other leftist behavior
I agree. As I stated neo-cons today are not really conservatives.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:57 amwingnutt, it’s not interesting. it’s just digital rants. Kind of like your no protest rant. Not factual, but typed so well.
Comment by mr. charlie
please. if you’re comparing the “protests” over Kosovo with the protests on the left, you’re severely out of touch.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:57 amYou know what I dont understand… all this effort some people spend on dredging up mistakes (real or perceived). What are you trying to prove? You think no one has heard this stuff before? God if I had an odometer, i’d be in the millions now. The past is past… doesnt’ change one thing about the present .
If they spent that energy trying to contribute ideas and solutions instead of nothing but bitter accusations and lies , people would get a long a lot better.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:58 amPolitical ideology came after man. I don’t consider myself a lefty or righty really. But since you brought it up (**lies) neo-conservatism requires misleading statements.
Comment by Joanie D’oh
umm, you’re confused. I never said anything about neo-conservatism.
Comment by wingnutt
I was referring to your quip about lies. I am geting tired though. It’s 3am.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:01 amI was referring to your quip about lies. I am geting tired though. It’s 3am.
Comment by Joanie D’oh
again, I said nothing about lies. you are tired.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:02 amYou care, wingnutt, because you want to leave the impression here that you have some valid personal insight that is relevant to the issues at hand. But at the end of the day, you really don’t, do you? Regrettably, I have to call it a night, but I charge you to stick around this site, and do try to stay with your wingnutt nom de goon; you should at least step forward that far. Oh, and humour doesn’t seem to be a particular forte of yours. Just keep plugging away with your usual talking points; infinitely more amusing. See you in church.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:02 amJTitor=Joanie D’oh
January 28th, 2007 at 4:03 amYou know what I dont understand… all this effort some people spend on dredging up mistakes (real or perceived). What are you trying to prove?
Does this mean I can’t make any more monica jokes? =)
January 28th, 2007 at 4:03 amcharlie, you’re projecting again.
>Vinnie, you got some pretty set views on liberals and conservatives.
No I dont. You do. And as evidence, I present your words:
>Rove was never a hippie. Bush, has only been a lacky for the Neocons, Rumsfeld, Cheney Hippies? It’s you who should put the pipe down.
Well Rove isn’t a neoconservative. Neither is Bush. And I never said they were. So why would you bring this up as a correction as if I said soemthing wrong. Are you falsely thinking that I thought they were “neocons” because they are in the adminstration?
I’m not even sure if Cheney is, though my gut says yes. Its been years since the word “neocon” had any real meaning and after it’s overuse by all sorts of folks I have no idea if any two peole have the same idea of what one is.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:04 amI’ll refresh your “oh too narrow” of a memory then. Yellow cake uranium is an intagrel part in making a nuclear weapon. President Bush thought it was important enought to put in the State of the Union Speech. Now Vinnie, that’s not his normal “preaching to the chior I can say any dumb fu*k thing I want to” speech. He was real good at those. Remember being so concerned about them doctors not being able to practice their love with their patients, classic. No, this is the Big Kahuna speech and he put his beedy little eyes right into the camera and in between the painful pauses and half smiles he said “Recently we have learned that Saddam Hussien has attempted to purchase Yellow Cake uranium from Niger….” He then went on to tell us what yellow cake is for the effect of how serious this matter is. All the while the WH and the intelligence agencies knew this to be wrong.
That’s a lie, it was big, it still is big. You want to forget things becasue they don’t fit into your cubby hole of acceptance will not make them go away for the thinking people of this world.
This will all come back up soon on a TV near you because Libby isn’t going to go away quitely.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:05 amYou care, wingnutt, because you want to leave the impression here that you have some valid personal insight that is relevant to the issues at hand. But at the end of the day, you really don’t, do you? Regrettably, I have to call it a night, but I charge you to stick around this site, and do try to stay with your wingnutt nom de goon; you should at least step forward that far. Oh, and humour doesn’t seem to be a particular forte of yours. Just keep plugging away with your usual talking points; infinitely more amusing. See you in church.
Comment by spotthecoward
*yawn*
January 28th, 2007 at 4:05 amg’night coward!
January 28th, 2007 at 4:06 amwingnutt, you posted there were none, just like you jumped on “my war” and now there’s levels? You moving the goal posts or just don’t like to be wrong.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:06 amThat’s a bullshit thing to do wingnutt. The poster is voicing an opinion and is standing up to you. You call him a coward. That’s beneath you.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:08 amJTitor=Joanie D’oh
Comment by Joanie Doe
Your esp mirror of dark aint working honey. I am not or have ever been, or posted, as JTitor.
As well this excludes you from being a proficient hack. Wha did you call people the other day? oh yes mental midget? Yah, i think that was it.
Goodnite wingnutt, keep your powder dry, As well goodnite Joanie/Rachel =)
January 28th, 2007 at 4:09 amre #439
“g’night coward!”
truly it is seen that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Do try some originality there, Pierre.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:09 amwingnutt, you posted there were none, just like you jumped on “my war†and now there’s levels? You moving the goal posts or just don’t like to be wrong.
Comment by mr. charlie
movement is the key word. there will always be a few random people who protest everything. however, in the cases I discussed, there was certainly not enough to be considered a “movement.”
I used to play soccer, so I’ll go with “moving the goal posts.”
January 28th, 2007 at 4:10 amMr Charlie: There was something there with Iraq and the yellowcake. It was not a fabrication. Other than that, I couldn’t care less. As if in the long run that is relevent to anything.
But please, keep onto it. You use these things as weapons. To what end? The destruction of the country that is viewed as open for attack owing to the unwillingness of Leftists to allow Bush to do anything to defend the country without first having to fight them.
Are you a nihilist?
January 28th, 2007 at 4:10 amThat’s a bullshit thing to do wingnutt. The poster is voicing an opinion and is standing up to you. You call him a coward. That’s beneath you.
Comment by mr. charlie
uhh, go back and look at the poster’s name, genius.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:11 ammr charlie: you need to get a sense of humor…. wingnut , again, was making a joke.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:11 amYou stick with that theory then Vinnie. I’m sure it’s working for you.
Was Barry Goldwater a Neocon? And is being a Neocon a good thing? Show some examples of what good a Neocon can do and then we’ll talk. Be sure to include the PNAC.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:12 amhey ho!
I’ve decided to stick around. Now, let’s see what you’ve got, pussy!
January 28th, 2007 at 4:13 amOh the PNAC!!!! RUN! RUN! HALIBURTON!! cant be far away.
I’m going to bed, is there no end to the BINGOCARD of the LEFTIST debate.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:15 amJTitor=Joanie D’oh
JTitor=Joanie D’oh
JTitor=Joanie D’oh
Goodnite wingnutt, keep your powder dry, As well goodnite Joanie/Rachel =)
Comment by Joanie D’oh — January 28, 2007 @ 4:09 am
Gooodnight JTitor
January 28th, 2007 at 4:15 am…Do try some originality there, Pierre.
Comment by spotthecoward
almost as original as “wingnutt(less)” wouldn’t you say?
(see 390)
January 28th, 2007 at 4:15 amspotthecoward=ForTruth
January 28th, 2007 at 4:18 amVinie, Bush hasn’t increased Port security at all. But yet you have this idea it’s only bush that can save your ass? That’s pitful
Wingnutt, I stand corrected. Didn’t look at his monicker. I apologize.
Vincent, I’m not using anything as weapons. They are called facts and they do matter in this country. There are 3 co equal branches of Govt. and if you’ve noticed lately the House and Senate are very concerned about the direction Bush is going. He does not have ulimited power with Iraq and definately not Iran. War has not been declared and every resolution that has been created pertaining to the conflict is being looked at. Congress can change it just as the have in the past. Kosovo and Vietnam funding was cut and powers granted were taken away.
The bull in the china shop method isn’t working.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:19 amImagine that
spotthecoward=ForTruth
January 28th, 2007 at 4:20 ambad comparison. i took wingnutt and extropolated wingnut(less) as a commentary on your reluctance to put your actions where your words are. By call me coward you merely parrotted my already established line. Are you really incapable of seeing the difference?
January 28th, 2007 at 4:20 amwrong joanie
January 28th, 2007 at 4:21 amCharlie: I’m going to bed, So I’ll just have to leave with you this…
I worked for an ocean container shipper line from 1995 to 2005. I managed the interior transportation of import containers from the US port to the eventual US city where the consignee is.
You are lying out of your ass when you say there was no improvement to port security.
In fact, that was one of the first things that was done after 9/11. The speed of implemention of which surprised everyone.
You dont warrant my skipping jerking off before bed to give you a fuller answer, so I’m off to get off.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:24 amlet’s see what you’ve got, pussy!
Comment by spotthecoward
haha. another hard core civilian with a keyboard. oooh.
“stand by” while I tremble in fear.
tell you what, it’s almost “0130″ here on the west coast (camp pendleton, hint hint) and I’m bored with this edition of “how many moonbats can you stir up in one evening.” you bore me.
I think I’ll get some “rack time” before “chow” in the morning.
“semper” (aka ‘always’) a pleasure.
night.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:24 amSee vince, you couldn’t answer. You slammed and ran. I’m not here to change your mind. I’m here to enforce my knowledge and to remind hacks such as yourself that there will be accountability brought back for all to see. There was no reason to go into Iraq and we have squandered lives and money due to this. The military that we have placed there have fought valiantly and will continue to do so. They are the best of the best. But they don’t get to pick where or why or how or with what protection or against what enemy. That all lies with the Presiden and this administration. We could have left the sanctions against Iraq stay while we destroyed the Taliban and Al Qiada (remember them, the enemy?). We could have squeezed that nut (Saddam) and built up an internal civil war with a little inside intelligence and some actual foresight.
We didn’t. We were told this is where the fight should be. That was wrong.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:25 amhey wingnutt
Be sure to come back. It’s the brave thing to do.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:28 amgood night tungtwin.
And if you like Bush’s daughters that wouldn’t be a bad thing wingnutt
January 28th, 2007 at 4:29 amI wouldn’t imagined any less for you and little vinny. Do you have a little GW hanky next to the bed?
January 28th, 2007 at 4:31 amDon’t any of these dirty hippies work? Oh that’s right, they all collect welfare and smoke weed all day.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:36 amJTitor=Joanie D’oh
Comment by Joanie Doe
No. Don’t play those games MA, Rachel…..
January 28th, 2007 at 4:37 am463: I have a poster of Ronald reagan over my bed.
Nite
January 28th, 2007 at 4:40 amstupid troll, you cant buy weed with welfare money much too expensive. now why are u here? your inflatable date say no?
January 28th, 2007 at 4:40 ammr charlie=Barfly
January 28th, 2007 at 4:54 amJTitor=Joanie D’oh
January 28th, 2007 at 4:55 amWho will be playing Dil in ” The Crying Game ” here?
January 28th, 2007 at 4:57 amThat crowd isn`t anything. I have seen bigger turnout at union strikes and county fair no name country bands.
Oh and dirttrack stockcar races have had more people too.
This is an accomplishment for you?
Welcome to the real world.
Harsh isn`t it?
January 28th, 2007 at 5:07 amSpudge_Boy=Santo
January 28th, 2007 at 5:10 am#
who was that awful person who spoke about israel?
Iraq has nothing to do with Israel!
Comment by oY — January 27, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Another victim of the mainstream media.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:37 amThe war in Iraq is ONLY about Israel.
JOHN NICHOLS – AMERICAN HERO!
DISTRIBUTE FAR AND WIDE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfMneQKdDM
THEN READ ALL COMMENTS HERE:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/allcomments?pid=161056&rpg=2#pid161156
January 28th, 2007 at 6:16 amThe war in Iraq is ONLY about Israel.
Comment by ace
Tell it to the Kurds. They seem to think its about something totally different.
Oh that’s right, they all collect welfare and smoke weed all day.Comment by sicc
And don’t forget about “the impregnating your daughters’” part. It’s the most important. That’s what we use the welfare and weed for.
January 28th, 2007 at 7:38 amhaha. another hard core civilian with a keyboard. oooh.
“stand by†while I tremble in fear.
tell you what, it’s almost “0130″ here on the west coast (camp pendleton, hint hint) and I’m bored with this edition of “how many moonbats can you stir up in one evening.†you bore me.
Comment by wingnutt
This civilian has been in tougher locales than you – and I didn’t have a whole military apparatus backing me up. I was alone, with no tax-payer funded weapons systems, or buddies willing to take a bullet for me. So your tough talk is that of a wannbe gangmenber. And living near Oceanside, I’m sure you see plenty of gangs in your neighborhood. Try walking the streets alone, in a rent-a-cop suit late at night, with no weapon, and we’ll see how tough you are, Rambo.
January 28th, 2007 at 7:48 amFrank Rich isn’t too nice to Hillary this Sunday but he has a point.
January 28th, 2007 at 8:56 amThis is an interesting MAP of so-called TERRORIST ATTACKS since 2003.
Did you notice, CHINA has had NO TERRORIST ATTACKS!!!
Neither has CANADA!!!
And the entire Continent of SOUTH AMERICA is TERRORIST FREE!!!
OUR WAR IN IRAQ has been SUCCESSFUL IN STOPPING THE TERRORIST THREAT WORLDWIDE!!!
Now, look at where most of the terrorists attacks are concentrated: INDIA!!!! That country is nearly obliterated with terrorist attacks.
And, where did America out-source all of its telophone soliciting jobs? INDIA!!!
Now….connect the dots….TELEPHONE SOLICITORS ARE TERRORISTS!!!!
NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO LISTEN IN ON ALL OVERSEAS TELEPHONE COMMUNICATIONS?
We’re tracking down TERRORIST TELEPHONE SOLICITORS!
January 28th, 2007 at 9:30 amFABULOUS coverage in the morning newspapers – headline news is this event (ala Washington Post in local newspapers). Guess Wapo is trying to polish their tarnished rep a bit by bringing more accurate news these days?? Again, since the american climate is changing vis-a-vis the sycophantic propaganda machine, they are, also, now continuing to be sycophantic in their decision to begin reporting the truth?? The “march” was front page headlines all over the Southeast. Kudos to Wapo for finally doing something right!
From the sound of it, this was the beginning of a series of continuous rallies until the Congress finally feels the pressure of the degree of discontent with this reichwing administration. THIS is precisely what America’s democracy is (was) all about!!
Just like those war profiteering GOPsters who tried to discredit Fonda during Vietnam with their irrelevant monikers which mean absolutely nothing unless one is under the delusion of an Orwellian life philosophy, in personal denial, and total hypocrisy, their ludicrous name-calling only makes them look like a bunch of passe archaic fools and old codgers. (Hanoi Jane, “hippies” (hah! I get a big kick out of that one coming from a group of reichwing bigots and hypocrites – too funny!). Do they realize how nonsensical they make themselves sound with the likes of those monikers attributed to people whom the public respects and honors?? Ah, well…..not to get preachy on a Sunday morn here but I must admit that most of this thread was full of “troll spew” and idiotic drivel last evening and into the wee hours. I hope the trolls are sleeping in today to sober up a bit so a few legitimately-concerned, informed posters will come back to these threads.
Frankly, I find it quite appalling to see the level to which the conversation descends – it’s toxic and most spiritual individuals would never participate in this type of disgusting dialogue.
January 28th, 2007 at 9:32 amNOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO LISTEN IN ON ALL OVERSEAS TELEPHONE COMMUNICATIONS?
We’re tracking down TERRORIST TELEPHONE SOLICITORS!
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan
So everytime I get tech support from some major American corporation that hires people in India I am talking to a American corporate paid terrorist?
Did you come up with this all by yourself or did worldnutdaily assist you NJJ?
January 28th, 2007 at 9:43 amDid you notice all of the people who were at the rally taking photos with cameras and cell phones †for posterity? †supposedly?
They were not fellow ralliers. They were NSA agents taking photos with cell phones and camera and video cameras.
Why do you think the MSM never covers antiwar rallies?
The NSA makes Hitlers SS and the Kremlins intelligence apparatus look like rank amateurs.
Why, I would be willing to say there are a few of them working right here at TP.
January 28th, 2007 at 9:44 amDid you notice all of the people who were at the rally taking photos with cameras and cell phones †for posterity? †supposedly?
They were not fellow ralliers. They were NSA agents taking photos with cell phones and camera and video cameras.
Why do you think the MSM never covers antiwar rallies?
The NSA makes Hitlers SS and the Kremlins intelligence apparatus look like rank amateurs.
Why, I would be willing to say there are a few of them working right here at TP.
>
I noticed
January 28th, 2007 at 9:50 amNot my post at #487
I’m not gonna talk about the NSA Joanie Doe.
January 28th, 2007 at 9:55 amAnd why are you reposting what you already posted?
January 28th, 2007 at 9:57 amThe only thing to come out of todays antiwar protests?
Comment by Joanie Doe
Joanie Doe rhetoric?
January 28th, 2007 at 10:02 amGreat job trashing the thread.
Notice HOW NONE of those who attended are bothering to post here.
Proud?
January 28th, 2007 at 10:22 amRESISTANCE IS FUTILE:
Results of CNN’s on-line poll:
Will Saturday’s protest in Washington have any effect on President Bush’s Iraq war policy?
Yes 9% 2962 votes
No 91% 31413 votes
January 28th, 2007 at 10:37 amHey DieNow—You somehow missed the posting from people who were in DC yesterday. SouthPaw, Sheila, American Patriot and others have described a massive determined crowd that demanded an end to this illegal disastrous war.
Ever think that many the people who marched yesterday are on buses, trains, and planes on their way home.? They will speak out after they get their bearings and a bit of rest.
Are we Proud of the protest DieNow? Damn right. We have a Madman in the White House who rules without consultation of the Congress.
IMPEACH KING GEORGE
January 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amTrue Bobbie,
And hopefully some or many from here are staying in DC for the grassroots lobbying in Congress tomorrow.
Good luck to them!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:00 amHi–Good coverage of yesterday’s huge demonstration in the Louisville Courier-Journal today. A front page story featured the dozens of people from Louisville who went to DC, including Vietnam Vets Against the War, and members of Military Families Speak Out. Also, good coverage of our demonstrations here in town yesterday. Could it be that the media is finally catching on?
Remember, please, that the obnoxious nonsense chatter from joaniedoe and others who try to stir things up here is meaningless. Think of it a static on a radio. Just tune in the station more clearly, get the real message, and then commit yourself to ACTION. Simply put, END BUSH’S WAR NOW. Thanks.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:17 am#454
>Vinie, Bush hasn’t increased Port security at all. But yet you have this idea it’s only bush that can save your ass? That’s pitful
That is a lie. Like I said before, between 95 and 05 I worked for a Asian-based ocean container freight line. My job was handling the vessel unloading on the West and then coordinating between Consignees, Customs Brokers, Dept of Homeland Sec CHB, the Port, the Union at the Port, trucking companies and railroads.
In the past, if you were importing freight into the US , you had till about two days before the ship was to arrive to submit your shipping manifest to this shipping line, the shipping line consolidates all the shipping manifests and gives that to customs and the port. Then the consignee works with Customs to pay the Duty and fullfill any requirement exams.
Since attack-by-container is a plausible scenerio, the United States decided to forward deploy US Customs. And the rules for cargo declartion were changed. No container can be loaded onto a ship if that cargo would be a ship that was in the US waters at any time (no matter what the destination was) with that cargo manifest being examined by US Customs. The cut-off was two days before vessel depature. US Customs could dictate the foreign port to not load a container if Customs decides. Any ship that has cargo on it that was sanctioned would not be permitted in US waters.
All the shipping lines work very closely with Customs to ensure that the datasets being caputured from teh 1000s of individual shippers are used in such a way so that anomolies can be detected (new shipping companies shipping on a trade lane it never did before, etc.)
There’s many other changes but I’m not going into them.
>Vincent, I’m not using anything as weapons. They are called facts and they do matter in this country. There are 3 co equal branches of Govt. and if you’ve noticed lately the House and Senate are very concerned about the direction Bush is going. He does not have ulimited power with Iraq and definately not Iran. War has not been declared and every resolution that has been created pertaining to the conflict is being looked at. Congress can change it just as the have in the past. Kosovo and Vietnam funding was cut and powers granted were taken away.
Congress can defund the war or deauthorize , but it cannot play General. The President is the CinC and that power is not co-equally shared amoungst the branches. The Courts are very weak in terms of war issues.
>The bull in the china shop method isn’t working.
Whatever that means.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:24 amOutraged: Who is going to end the Jihadis war?
January 28th, 2007 at 11:25 amTHAT’S RIGHT!!! A dozen men with box cutters got lucky on “the day that shall not be named.â€
They were more than that. They took flying lessons.
Besides, planes have been hijacked before…
Cell phones made impossible connections.
I’ve already posted facts that they weren’t impossible.
There was no molten metal spewing out the side of the building.
There didn’t need to be. The steel only had to be compromised to fail.
A commercial jet really did disappear into a 14′ hole in the Pentagon.
The hole left by the plane was larger than that.
Random fires really did cause a symmetrical collapse of a building that was never hit.
It wasn’t just fire – there were terrific seismic forces that cannot be discounted.
There were no pre-contact explosions before the airliners hit the towers.
Prove otherwise.
There was no below-ground explosion before each tower collapsed.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan — January 27, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Prove otherwise.
Again, just because the 9/11 Commissions’s report is flawed doesn’t mean the exact opposite is true.
You endanger the safety of lives when you suggest that buildings are more durable than they actually are. And that’s why I oppose people spreading this misinformation to those who, unlike me, don’t understand building systems and design.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:35 amBut that’s ok, Unbelievable, just continue to believe in the impossible. A dozen guys with boxcutters pulled of this whole thing on “the day that shall not be named.â€
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan — January 27, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
I’ve spent my entire adult life in the building industry. Planes knocked down those buildings within the reality of Statics (structural physics) and the laws of nature. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible, because it puts forth the belief that something plausible which killed thousands can’t happen – setting us up for moreof the same, or worse.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:39 amUnbelievable: Please explain why Osama Bin Ladin has claimed responsiblity for 9/11 if he didn’t do it.
That is a hole you wont be able to cover and that hole blows your whole “case” apart. And since your case is premised on all these little holes, by that logic you must think if the US govt didn’t really do it, who did? hmmmmm
January 28th, 2007 at 11:42 amErrr, I should retract my addressing my statement to unbelieable…. I was skimming and throught he was a “truther” but he might not be.. so my statement is now an open letter to truthers.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amUnbelievable: Please explain why Osama Bin Ladin has claimed responsiblity for 9/11 if he didn’t do it.
What are you talking about?
That is a hole you wont be able to cover and that hole blows your whole “case†apart. And since your case is premised on all these little holes, by that logic you must think if the US govt didn’t really do it, who did? hmmmmm
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 11:42 am
This also is not coherent.
Errr, I should retract my addressing my statement to unbelieable…. I was skimming and throught he was a “truther†but he might not be.. so my statement is now an open letter to truthers.
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 11:43 am
I’m not a he. And I’m a liberal who does not support the ‘building explosion’ aspect of the conspiracy theory because of my professional experiences as an architect.
And I don’t get what you want, as you’ve posted no facts.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amProve otherwise.
Comment by unbelievable — January 28, 2007 @ 11:35 am
I don’t need to. You have already chosen to stay willfully blind. You do your nation a great service by continuing to support your Government.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:03 pmPlease explain why Osama Bin Ladin has claimed responsiblity for 9/11 if he didn’t do it.
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 11:42 am
That’s right. You were told that Bin Laden claimed responsibility for “the day that shall not be mentioned.”
Just don’t believe those sites that claim it was faked.
TRUST UNBELIEVABLE. SHE KNOWS it MUST HAVE BEEN TERRORISTS WITH BOX CUTTERS. ANY OTHER EXPLANATION IS…UNBELIEVABLE.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:11 pmhttp://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/investigation/011213.binladen.tape.html
He did admit to it
January 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmHey, they got some new trolls. Great. Hi Joenie I’m mparker. STFU BITCH.
It took five and a half hours to get to Washington. We parked right on “K†street and walked to the lawn. We were listening to the speakers which they were really rushing through, there was some music I didn’t know which wasn’t bad. Once on the lawn you couldn’t see the stage because of all the signs unless you were right on top of it. You can’t easily estimate numbers from the ground but if someone would just ask the guys in the constantly circiling helicopter, they probably know. As we prepared to march people moved from the stage so i could get up to it. There was a large plexiglass tank about ten feet high packed with shoes overflowing onto the ground. It was something Code Pink is doing but I never got the details. On stage there were still people miling about. There was also a flag draped coffin with a military nameplate. His Father sat beside it as someone with a tape recorder tried to ask him questions over the music. He answered with one hand on the coffin and his other hand holding his sons well worn boots in the air.
It took a little while to get everyone moving when it actually began. The march is really just going around the block. Hey it’s a big block. Even that would be pretty hard on the older folk. It was all pretty calm. There were free signs that different groups had made up and loads of the home made ones. I love homemade american protest artwork. There was a guy with a big paper machie Bush head with laurel wreath and toga for that Cesar look, His bloody hands on sticks clutching Money in one and Oil in the other. There were people chanting and some had instruments. All races and ages,there were kids in strollers and people with walkers. Some chants are better then others. Maybe these things need to be approved or something. At one point a guy ran into the crowd and started yelling USA ,USA, USA. The crowd responded (correctly), OUT OF IRAQ, OUT OF IRAQ , OUT OF IRAQ and he scampered away.
Then entertainment.
We rounded a corner and the first thing i noticed was that a large number of the crowd seemed to stall a little ways ahead. It looked like someone was putting on a little show and people were stopping to watch. As I got closer there was a guy in a gas mask dancing around like crazy. Weird. On our left was a rectangle of fencing. Inside were two cops and behind that rectangle with the cops inside were EIGHT BUSH ANTI-ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS. I could smell the stupid. The guy with the latex gas mask was pointing to a sign “hippies smell.†Gee I get it. Then their was an old white haired hag yelling shit at people walking by with their kids. That was you wasn’t it, joanie? I was the guy that told you to “shut your dirty pie hole.†It was a pleasure. About that time one of the cops in the pen moved over to us and raised his hands and begged, “Please, please, Don’t feed the animals.†Everyon had a laugh and we kept moving. What a weak and worthless bunch of dumb animals they were. It was really like seeing them in a zoo.
We walked and chanted and just about at the end there was a small marching band. Less then ten members but they had things covered. Blue outfits and they were kids that looked about 12 years old. They were GREAT. Think of a marching band that can play and sing and give george bush the finger at the same time. There is hope for our country. These kids should lead the march next time. We could have danced the whole way.
Things broke up pretty quick. We took some pictures. I didn’t see any police problems but they usually come later. We had to get back.
Protesting against war does not cause war joanie you lying freak. It was great to meet you.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:16 pmJoanie DOUGH = ForTruth
January 28th, 2007 at 12:27 pm505
>That’s right. You were told that Bin Laden claimed responsibility for “the day that shall not be mentioned.â€
Um, I saw it with my own eyes, you twit. No wonder you believe the most incredibly stupid conspiracy theory ever.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:33 pmThanks mparker,
It was great to read you account of the protest. I’m glad you could be there.
There might be other accounts by people who were there, but I’m not wading through all that shit to find them.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmYou fail to realize fellow posters and namejackers, every machine has certain nuances, certain ” markers ” I like to call them.
I know everyone here probably alot better than I should know them.
You are transparent.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmNuff said.
I would hope that your “knowledge” of fellow posters wouldn’t be for a darker purpose.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmNSA Surveillance Not-So-Expert X — Try again.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pmYou are transparent.
Nuff said.
Comment by NSA Surveillance Expert X — January 28, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
and you can’t spell.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pmBy the way while I was at the rally I took pictures “supposedly” for posterity.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThere didn’t need to be. The steel only had to be compromised to fail.
A commercial jet really did disappear into a 14′ hole in the Pentagon.
The hole left by the plane was larger than that.
Random fires really did cause a symmetrical collapse of a building that was never hit.
It wasn’t just fire – there were terrific seismic forces that cannot be discounted.
There were no pre-contact explosions before the airliners hit the towers.
Prove otherwise.
There was no below-ground explosion before each tower collapsed.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan — January 27, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Prove otherwise.
>
This unbelievable is a conspiracy theory nut I see. Another Kennedy Asassination conspiracy theory loon eh?
Remember what happened to all of the assassination witnesses and all of the other little people who seemed to get in the way?
Remember that after Kennedy`s assassination?
All of the diappearing witnesses?
All of the heart attacks and deaths of natural causes to otherwise up until then, were normal,healthy and happy adults?
911 is to be handled the same way.
Think what you like. But be doubly cautious of what you say and most importantly, be triply cautious in WHO YOU SAY IT TO.
Some friendly advice from someone who knows personally.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI don’t need to.
Then you’ve lost the argument. If you don’t prove your position, it is irrelevent.
You have already chosen to stay willfully blind.
That’s ridiculous. I’ve seen the conspiracy argument. It’s simply not valid. And that has nothing to do with willfull ignorance, but with actual experience in how buildings work.
You do your nation a great service by continuing to support your Government.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan — January 28, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
You people are incapable of getting that its possibleto dismiss both the official report and the misinformation you spread. It proves that it is you who have chosen willfull blind faith….
January 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThis unbelievable is a conspiracy theory nut I see. Another Kennedy Asassination conspiracy theory loon eh?
Comment by NSA Surveillance Really Really Not Such An Expert X
Try again.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmTRUST UNBELIEVABLE. SHE KNOWS it MUST HAVE BEEN TERRORISTS WITH BOX CUTTERS. ANY OTHER EXPLANATION IS…UNBELIEVABLE.
Comment by The Ghost of NineJuanJuan — January 28, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
You scream at me because you demand that I question my own professional opinion, yet you violently defend your Conspiracy without equal willingness to consider that it isn’t the truth either.
You’re just continuing to discredit yourself….
January 28th, 2007 at 12:57 pmNSA Surveillance Expert X : Whats funny is that they seize upon the tinyest , insiginificant perceived discrepency and from these holes construct an elaborate insane plan.
So, if such little holes in the story are enough to justifty a denial of reality, then how come the HUGE HUGE HUGE HOLE of Osama Bin Ladin taking credit for the attack doesn’t have the same effect on the conspiracy version? If holes the size of an electron is enough to destroy the orthodox explanation of 9/11, then why is a hole the size of a Suadi jihadis somehow allowable to thier story?
(Rhetorical questions)
January 28th, 2007 at 1:01 pmHey, I was at the rally and I didn’t see any boxcutters and no metal failure either. Why don’t you guys get a room.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by mparker — January 28, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
That was one of the best things I have read lately… Thanks for sharing! You wrote that so that it felt like we were there…
I wish I could have been there. Stupid teacher conference… :D
January 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThis unbelievable is a conspiracy theory nut I see.
Comment by NSA Surveillance Expert X — January 28, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Yes, of course you must be right since I am arguing AGAINST the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory….
Dipshit.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:06 pm*
just heard on mclaughlin – tony blankley says the anti war protests won’t amount to much… most of the anti war effort is on the internet…
i hope this weekend proves him wrong…
January 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pm.
Cut the crap here on this post. I’m proud to say I was in DC yesterday with hundreds of thousands of patriotic Americans. It was awesome and inspiring. I’m worn out, but invigorated.
If you can’t write about the massive demonstration yesterday, dry up and go write your comments somewhere else.
We pulled off something BIG yesterday. Watch the GOP rats jump from the Neo-con Ship this week. Stick with the topic on this post please.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:16 pmsheila: your neo-con boogeymen have been gone for a long time. Your stupidity failed to notice.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:20 pmSheila, if you pulled off something so big, why are these threads here this morning:
Kristol To Congress: ‘Do Nothing’ On Iraq
Cheney: Bush Has ‘Shored Up His [Political] Position…Specifically On Iraq’
Even Cnn.com’s only item is their poll, which shows:
Will Saturday’s protest in Washington have any effect on President Bush’s Iraq war policy?
Yes 8% 4207 votes
No 92% 46643 votes
Sorry, but CORPORATE MEDIA disaggrees with you. You are YESTERDAY’S NEWS.
THE WAR CONTINUES.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOh Vince, you poor little fool. Don’t even know that the Neo Cons control Bush’s White House? Back to the books for you. Start by reading up on the Project for the New American Century. This should keep you going the rest the day. And best yet, you’ll be off this link, which is about yesterday’s impressive demonstration in DC.
Ghost, I agree with you in 528. CNN’s question was faulty. The question they asked was whether the demonstration will have any effect on Bush’s Iraq policy. Like 92% of those who responded, I said NO. We all know that King George will listen to nothing. He’s the Decider, remember?
So CNN should ask a more important question today. Will the massive demonstration have an impact on Congress? Oh, yes it will. Watch the debate in the Senate this week and next. Watch the GOP lap dogs squirm. Watch McConnell–the worst of them all.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:51 pmShiela,
I believe the demonstrations yesterday will have an impact on Bush’s Iraq War Policy. I believe that as a result of yesterday’s demonstrations, Bush will send more troops to Iraq and keep them there longer.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“The important part is that they were there and we were there with them in spirit. We all shared in the experience and are doing so now by sharing our thoughts and emotions”
What a bunch of liberal mush!
January 28th, 2007 at 2:00 pmGood point Ghost. We are dealing with Madman in our White House. God only knows what he will do next.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:01 pmSheilas going to pursuade people with her wonderfully cold and hostile personality. She’s going to pursuade people she’s a loon.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:08 pmSheilas going to pursuade people with her wonderfully cold and hostile personality. She’s going to pursuade people she’s a loon.
Comment by Vince P
Vinnie P, I thought you said in the top thread that you weren’t being rude or obnoxious. You naughty fibber! Go wash your mouth out with soap.
I was right. You are a jackass.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:13 pmZooey: I reply in kind. in general i try to avoid it. but when talking to leftists, civility only lasts so long as they (there’s exceptions here and there) are unable to not insult someone they disagree with.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:16 pmVinnie P,
Projection: To externalize and attribute (an emotion or motive, for example) unconsciously to someone or something else in order to avoid anxiety.
Sadly, your case is terminal.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThere ya go, Vinnie P, you’ve got the approval of the prettiest tranny on the blog. :-D
January 28th, 2007 at 2:34 pmZooey: i’m gay, in case you wanted a group to lump me in with
January 28th, 2007 at 2:42 pmVince, No one cares whether you’re gay or not. We need you in the Army or the Marines. Easy enough for you to bitch on this link that people aren’t nice to you. Wait until you meet up with your Drill Sargent. You just might get the attitude readjustment that you need.
I spent yesterday in DC with mothers and fathers from Military Families Speak Out. These fine people have a personal interest in the War that Vince and others on this link refuse to take seriously. It is time to put up or shut up Vince. We’re sick of your bullshit.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:02 pmVinnie P, that’s entirely your own business, ok? I don’t give a shit either way.
Joanie Doe refers to HERSELF as the prettiest tranny on the blog. Or at the ball…? Whatever.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmsheila: by your own words you need to shut up, you’re not in the military. You have nothing interesting to say.
Ah, the Left is so pathetic in its groupthink. It’s amazing how you all spout the same exact things like a big borg and yet you convinced yourselves that you’re smart, clear thinking, and progressive.
You’re the most regressive force in this country.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:07 pmOMG Angelina Joile’s mother just died.
Let us mourn.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:17 pmVince P,
First off, don`t tell Sheila or anyone else here to shutup.
We got troops dying in the field for your right to talk.
Second,
Hey, go work your own street corner huh?
This is my gig.
And don`t forget I`m the prettiest tranny at the ball here and not you!
I would hate to see what would happen when a pair of trannies such as you and I, got together and had a brawl on these boards.
Kind of like putting two trannies in a washing machine, slamming the lid shut and watch the fur fly!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI have come to the conclusion that the Trolls on this thread use the same tactics as the current corrupt president. They distract from the main point of the story that the comments here are supposed to relate to.
And here is the main point:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
The Trolls and the current corrupt president can not distract us from this truth, try though they may.
Just 722 days, 21 hours and 40 minutes, and the joke will be over (unless impeachment and removal come first!). Until then, it’s out on the streets!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmHey Vince P,
Go work your own street corner!
I am Joanie the Tranny, this is my area.
>…smackin gum and makin it crack and pop!!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHeh, I am not a trannie.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThose who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:22 pmNow that’s a troll, eh Vinnie P?
Heh.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pmHere’s my credentials
http://my.gay.com/vinny1974
January 28th, 2007 at 3:27 pmI repeat
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThanks to everyone who marched in DC yesterday. You restored my faith in American democracy. We will prevail over the neo-cons who have recklessly taken our country to war and destroyed our treasury. Sheila, it was good to get your report about the massive protest and your tip to look at the Washington Post photo gallery. Mighty impressive.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThe “neocons” lol.. what is there like one left in the white house.
its like watching kids play fort with thier couch pillows.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:30 pmPapaJohn:
There were demonstrations all over the country. I took part in one here in Austin, Texas. At every demonstration, the numbers and strength grow!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:32 pmWell Vinny,
I am a tranny into beastiality okay?
You really didn`t need to send your link. I am into our 4 legged friends.
You wouldn`t turn me on even if YOU got on all 4s like an animal.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:33 pmhterrya: there were big crowds waiting in line to see Phatom Menance… no accounting for the tastes of big crowds.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:34 pmOy, Vinnie P, I wouldn’t have put up the credentials…
Just sayin’
Joanie, please try to settle. It’s early.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTroll distaction with Phantom Menance misspelled reference.
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:38 pmJoanie, please try to settle. It’s early.
Comment by Zooey
Settle?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 pmI’m a computer programmer, i make no effort to fix typing errors.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 pmSettle?
Comment by joanie doe
Maybe a nice nap?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAnd I`m still the prettiest tranny at the ball. So there Vince P!
>……..smackin gum really, really hard now…makin it pop and click
January 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pmTroll distraction with reference to pigheaded refusal to use spellcheck.
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pmhterrya: why are you being a bigot toward my culture?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:45 pmTroll distractions with references to bigotry and trannies.
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 3:48 pmThere’s room for you, Vince P, in Bush’s surge force that’s moving into Baghdad today. They need gay computer programmers and they don’t care if you fix typing errors. Won’t be a problem when you are on patrol. Repeat after me. I’VE GOT THE URGE TO SURGE
January 28th, 2007 at 3:50 pmNo chance of talking you out of that, Joanie?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPlease don`t talk in riddles hon. Spit it out, what are you asking me here?
I don`t get it.
>……..smackin gum really, really hard now…makin it pop and click
Why? Did someone want to come on this thread soon and jack my name?
Joanie D`Oh ?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:58 pmTroll distraction with references to “smackin gum really, really hard now…”
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJoanie, I’m asking you not to trash this blog today.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWhat do you say?
Joanie, I’m asking you not to trash this blog today.
What do you say?
Comment by Zooey — January 28, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
I say you got it.
And I will not do it anymore either.
Copy-paste-articles-links
This is what I`ll contribute from now on.
Maybe an occasional hello.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThis is what I`ll contribute from now on.
Maybe an occasional hello.
Comment by Joanie Doe
That would be fabulous! That’s what you’re good at.
Don’t post them on every thread, ok?
Good luck.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pmNow that there is Peace in the Valley, it is time to repeat the central theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmOkay zooey I won`t post on every thread.
Only the relevant ones.
Comment by Joanie Doe
Thanks Joanie, that would help a lot.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThose who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
Comment by hterrya
You are SO right!
January 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmTroll off-topic reference to bloggers being fired.
Back to the main theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 5:49 pmTroll off-topic reference to bloggers being fired.
Back to the main theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
Comment by hterrya — January 28, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
No need for all that.
It was more or less a public service message that I posted since we all use a blog. I thought it pertained to all of us and was important enough to post and for all to see.
So sorry for interrupting your -temple quiet- studies period with my stupid little outburst. How dare I interrupt you.
Right?
January 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pmJust 722 days, 21 hours and 40 minutes, and …
Comment by hterrya — January 28, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Bush’s DULY APPOINTED SUCCESSORS McCAIN AND LIEBERMAN will take over the helm.
McCain will be elected as the MAVERICK REPUBLICAN joined with Lieberman as the MAVERICK DEMOCRAT.
January 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pm“It is refreshing to see young ones still interested in politics”
Ha! They can’t even spell politics. They’re there for the party!
January 28th, 2007 at 6:40 pm“how long Laura and Barney are going to continue to support Georg”
“our sense of morality and desire to bring this war to a close”
“GW Botch MUST BE impeached!!!”
“I think I see Uncle Ho!”
“These bastards must be impeached. NOW!!!”
“it is precisely this pattern of deceit and bullyish exploitation that has caused the United States of America to become the target of terrorist attacks”
“Stop the War and stop the Bush Insanity.”
Just a small sampling of liberal lunacy that exists on this blog! Didn’t they ever teach you the art of debate in your public schools? But that’s ok as it just gives me and other Conservatives the ammo to show the rest of the audience just how uneducated you are!
January 28th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThis is what I`ll contribute from now on.
Maybe an occasional hello.
Comment by Joanie Doe
That would be fabulous! That’s what you’re good at.
Don’t post them on every thread, ok?
Good luck.
Comment by Zooey — January 28, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
!!! i can see it now – AMBASSADOR ZOOEY !!!
that was a beautiful job of diplomacy…
January 28th, 2007 at 8:38 pmi was reading the comments on http://www.crooksandliars.com/
about more stories from the rally…
i found some very interesting links that DEBUNK the MYTH of anti war protesters spitting on vietnam vets back in the day:
Debunking A Myth
http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=215
Debunking a spitting image
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/
and a present day story:
Spitting Image
by digby
So the dirty, long haired hippies spit on wounded veterans yesterday. Isn’t it just like them…
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
…
January 28th, 2007 at 8:52 pmhttp://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS01/701280463
Thousands denounce Iraq war– Days before the Senate is expected to consider resolutions opposing President Bush’s Iraq troop surge, tens of thousands of demonstrators gathered near the foot of Capitol Hill demanding an end to the war.
January 28th, 2007 at 8:53 pm>
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS/701280369
This is not your father’s war protest
>
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/01/28/march/
Protesting the war — not just for giant puppets anymore! Salon
that was a beautiful job of diplomacy…
Comment by katy
**blush**
Joanie did her part, too.
January 28th, 2007 at 8:53 pmyes, she did… thank you, joanie… good links above…
January 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pm…
#588 – michael,
January 28th, 2007 at 10:22 pmAnd when did you get your PhD? Mine was earned in 1967.
For Sale:
A trannys paradise of clothing and knick knacks.
Some examples of the savings. Many one of a kind items.
Numerous snakeskin brasierres. Bars of wax,teas,oils.
1 leather pant/skirt set. ( depends on who I want to be ) $20 bucks
I crystal clear acrylic bodysuit with pink chenllle piping – $10
Many styles of shoes pumps,flats,oxfords,tennis wear. $5-pr.
All white leather sailors uniform with rhinstones galore! $40
w/ matching leather sailors hat for above. $65
*2 pairs of crotchless chaps. (don`t wear these riding a real horse :) *glitter -fringe free when you buy both pairs of chaps.
Speaking of tennis wear I have my own line out here in sunny Ca.
It is called ” Tranny-Wear ” . It is actually doing very well. Where else can a tranny go to get clothes, WalMart? I don`t think so?
The standard clothing doesn`t have all the right holes in all the right places you know?
I am currently still in the starup stages but there are more trannies in this world than you would guess.
They`re everywhere. I was amazed how many there actually are.
But I am still the prttiest tranny at the ball, everyone says so.
Please tell them all I am the prettiest tranny at the ball?
January 28th, 2007 at 10:48 pmThe only disappointing part is that the protest received very little attention from the mainstream media. Why? Because stories about war protests never get good ratings.
January 28th, 2007 at 10:57 pmPlease tell them all I am the prettiest tranny at the ball?
Comment by Joanie Doe
Will do.
Hilarious…..
January 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pm#595 – Joanie Doe,
January 28th, 2007 at 11:14 pmPut them on EBAY. The Pics will captivate the trolls.
Didn’t they ever teach you the art of debate in your public schools?
Comment by michael — January 28, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
No elitism there.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pmBack to the main theme of this thread (and thankfully away form the Troll’s tranny crotchless chaps distraction.
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 28th, 2007 at 11:46 pmI agree with poster # 600.
Whatever they said. That`s me too.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:12 amThose who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
Comment by hterrya — January 28, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Links? Any further comment? Show me these numbers are on the rise, don`t just come in and make that blanket statement like 3 times over and over and then just leave it.
Show me your links and all the rest. Without a link of some kind it is merely hearsay.
I am not saying I do not believe you, I am saying I REFUSE to believe you unless you can produce some relevant links.
I do not want to HAVE to rely on anyone else for news, but in this one case I will make an exception.
I would like you to convince me that this statement:
>Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
Is true.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:00 amThe Troll insists he must be pursuaded about something he fears is true in order to distract from the theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 29th, 2007 at 4:04 amDing Dong! The the Trolls are gone. Which old Trolls? The Wicked Trolls!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Old Trolls are gone!
Wake up – sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Trolls are gone. They’re gone where all Trolls go,
Under the Bridge – below – below. Yo-ho, let’s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong, the merry-oh, sing it HIGH, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Old Trolls are gone!
January 29th, 2007 at 10:44 amAs I’ve said, the theme of this thread has been:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 29th, 2007 at 10:48 ami was there.
it was a great day for peace.
tens of thousands, thats bullsh*t!
January 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmi would say it was upwards of 400,000.
there were alot of people there……
first of all, the ones who control/own america(israel) are still in power with the americans money, economy, democracy. there is one thing i would like to know. since the majority here think that bushco are the ‘responsible’ ones what do you think impeachment is going to do? the putting a ‘patsy’ on the stand is not going to do a damn thing. and secondly, why would anyone think that the cronies on the bench would do such a thing to their king.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pmI love the way you America hating terrorist lovers make up numbers.
That would have been a great place to release some a Saddam’s poison gas. Then they could have seen what ten of thousands of Iraq civilians went through in the good old days.
ROTFL
January 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmHappy Guy — one day you’ll thank what you call “terrorist lovers” (in actuality, we’re the only people left who love this country) for ensuring the preservation of our Constitution and our environment for our children.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThe Trolls are back, with their jaws all slack.
When the Pope held Mass on the Mall in the 80’s, the crowd was about the same size as the recent March Against the Occupation and Destruction of Iraq. At that time of the Pope’s visit, police were making estimates of crowd numbers, and the estimate at that time was well over 500,000.
However, that is just another Troll distraction from the clear theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmtrolls = Americans who hterrya hates
January 29th, 2007 at 10:15 pmTo you folks who think you’re “supporting the troops” here’s what a Army Officer, Company Commander. Deployed to Iraq has to say about one of the Anti-US types who had written a letter:
Anti-US person:
I’m happy to say that as a proud patriot, I don’t “support our troops.†At all. Ever. Not in the slightest. Not with a single cell in my body. Not, that is to say, in the accepted use of the term.
I believe the only way to support our troops is to keep them back home with their loved ones, where they can have a life like the rest of us. I’m happy to pay for their livelihoods via my taxes when they stay home, because I think every country needs a deterrent force. In other words, our troops are our first line of self-defense, there to discourage others from attacking us by their mere stay-at-home presence (like a never-to-be-used nuclear deterrence).
However, when our troops are used to attack others, I don’t support them at all.
Soldier:
He spouts off at length–try to keep from punching your monitor or kicking your dog after this. Please go there, read the whole post, (and mine and Patti’s comments) LEAVE BOTH YOUR COMMENTS AND WHERE YOU CAME FROM (i.e. this blog) I want him to visit here and read this, and learn some truth. Right now, he could be standing right next to fred phelps when the pickup hits them, and I’d just laugh harder….
http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2007/01/words-almost-fail-me.html
January 29th, 2007 at 10:26 pmPolling of Active US Military troops, not Reserve or Guardsmen
Total responses, by branch:
Army: 436
USAF: 218
Navy: 201
Marines: 86
Coast Guard: 9
Of those,
480 have not been to Iraq. (Is it accurate to claim “a majority of the military have not been to Iraq”?).
303 have been once,
119 twice,
24 three times,
24 more than three times.
Iraq service, by branch (Iraq tour data was missing from the results in four cases):
Army: 280 (64% of responses) to Iraq; 179 once, 78 twice, 15 three times, 8 claim 4 tours (note: normal Army rotations are 1 year – or longer. The war will reach four years duration this March)
USAF: 27% had been to Iraq – 34 once, 11 twice, 2×3, 12×4 (Air Force tours were 90 days at the beginning of the war but were extended to 120 days in 2004. Some USAF members serve 6 month or longer tours)
USMC: 70% – 39 once, 17 twice, 4×3, none claim 4 (Marines generally serve 8 month tours)
Navy: 34% – 49×1 13×2 3×3 4×4 (Navy tour lengths vary by position)
Coast Guard: none to Iraq
Some specific questions and responses:
QUESTION ONE
If you had to decide today, would you re-enlist or — if an officer — extend your commitment?
The purpose of this question is to determine if Iraq is “breaking” the military by attrition. The answer appears to be “no”.
Of the total responses, 200 (21%) indicated they would not extend/re-up. Of those, 94 (17 USAF, 6 Marines, 20 Navy, 50 Army, 1 Coast Guard) cited wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as one of the three primary reasons for their decision (an equal number cite pay). Of those 94, only 52 have been to Iraq.
Of all troops who’ve been to Iraq, 104 of 470 (22%) answered no.
Seventy-five of 280 Army Iraq veterans answered no (27%) – but only 38 (14%) cite Iraq/Afghan wars as a reason.
Throughout all services, 59 of those who answered yes cite those same wars as one reason for doing so. Re-enlistment rates have exceeded goals for the duration of the Iraq war – so far.
QUESTION TWO
Regardless of whether you think the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq, how likely is the U.S. to succeed?
All responses:
Very likely to succeed: 126
Somewhat likely to succeed: 355
Not very likely to succeed: 291
Not at all likely to succeed: 95
No opinion – remainder
Iraq veterans:
Very likely to succeed: 68
Somewhat likely to succeed: 186
Not very likely to succeed: 139
Not at all likely to succeed: 49
No opinion – remainder
These numbers – while much more positive than results from civilian polls – probably also reflect an assumption that then-current strategy would remain constant – an assumption already proven faulty. Based on responses to the next question, the results might be even more favorable if this same question were asked today.
QUESTION THREE
We currently have 145,000 troops in Iraq and Kuwait. How many troops do you think we should have there?
All responses / Iraq vets
0: 121 / 60
0-50,000: 69 / 42
50,000 – 144,000: 56 / 38
145,000: 122 / 70
146,000-200,000: 208 / 100
200,000+: 155 / 78
No opinion/don’t know: remainder
Note the largest group – both the Iraq vets and non-Iraq vets categories – favored (even prior to the announcement) an increase in troops consistent with the “surge” plan numbers.
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/007649.html
January 29th, 2007 at 10:37 pmHow proud you guys must be about this:
Anti-war protesters were allowed to spray paint on part of the west front steps of the United States Capitol building after police were ordered to break their security line by their leadership, two sources told The Hill.
According to the sources, police officers were livid when they were told to fall back by U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) Chief Phillip Morse andDeputy Chief Daniel Nichols. “They were the commanders on the scene,” one source said, who requested anonymity. “It was disgusting.”
After police ceded the stairs, located on the lower west front of the Capitol, the building was locked down, the source added.
A second source who witnessed the incident said that the police had the crowd stopped at Third Street, but were told to bring the police line in front of the Capitol.
Approximately 300 protesters were allowed to take the steps and began to spray paint “anarchist symbols” and phrase such as “Our capitol building” and “you can’t stop us” around the area, the source said.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmTroll tries to distract from main theme with accusations of hate, anonymous Army Officer/Company Commander “quotes,” questionable military polls, and alledged graffitti spraying by less than 300 demonstrators out of 500,000+.
Troll=someone who wants to distract us from the truth of this Blog and the main theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 30th, 2007 at 12:22 amEverythign I said was truth. And stop hatching thoughts of conspiracy , it would be a fool’s mission to try to distract from the greater farce of your belief system.
January 30th, 2007 at 12:26 amCall Troll Busters! He’s BAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
January 30th, 2007 at 12:30 amDing Dong! The the Trolls are gone. Which old Trolls? The Wicked Trolls!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Old Trolls are gone!
Wake up – sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Trolls are gone. They’re gone where all Trolls go,
Under the Bridge – below – below. Yo-ho, let’s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong, the merry-oh, sing it HIGH, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Old Trolls are gone!
That being the case, it is time to repeat the theme of this thread:
Those who oppose the occupation and destruction of Iraq are growing in numbers and in strength!
January 30th, 2007 at 11:04 am