Kristol To Congress: ‘Do Nothing’ On Iraq
Kristol To Congress: ‘Do Nothing’ On Iraq
Last week, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol advised war critics to shut up. “It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet for six or nine months.”
This morning on Fox News, he had a new Iraq recommendation for Congress: do nothing.
Kristol noted an op-ed by Sen. John Warner (R-VA) which asked, “What do [Bush supporters] want us to do in the Senate? Do nothing?” Kristol answered, “Absolutely right. Absolutely right. Support the troops. Appropriate the funds.”
Full transcript:
KRISTOL: This is the Congress at its worst. John Warner does a great puff piece, my senator from Virginia, what do they want us to do in the Senate? Do nothing? Absolutely right. Absolutely right. Support the troops. Appropriate the funds. Let Petraeus have a chance to win this war. Don’t pass a meaningless resolution that Joe Lieberman said is non-binding, but symbolically symbolically, it can only encourage our enemies.
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Me to Kristol: “No”
January 28th, 2007 at 11:25 amRoll out the Fox Sunday blabber mouth machine, jeez.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:26 amHell yes:
Biden: ‘Failed policy’ emboldens enemy
January 28th, 2007 at 11:27 amBill Kristol needs to realize that it’s not about allowing a new plan some 6 months time to unfold – it’s about the botched plan which we’ve allowed years to unfold and it’s unfolded into the largest nightmare in the history of this country! Another 6 months isn’t going to change one iota except more carnage – american & iraqi. This administration has had plenty of time (too much time) to try to make things work and they’ve failed abysmally! The people have had it with trusting this administration on ANYTHING and this country needs to shift it’s focus economically to helping it’s own – now spending good money after bad – in the killing fields of Iraq!
This regime’s reichwing rule is over! 30% means a totally lame, lameduck administration. When Fitzgerald gets through with this WH, the sheer blackness unveiled will change even the name of the building!
January 28th, 2007 at 11:29 amWith such an astounding record of failure upon failure, it’s people like Kristol who need to shut up and go away. It will take years to fix his neocon mess.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:30 amSend him to the frontlines with a helmut and an M-16.
Onward Kristol.
-GSD
January 28th, 2007 at 11:31 amI have one question for Joe Biden: How do you justify the fact that you had inside information on Iraq – and yet the american people were more informed and smarter than you when you voted to abdicate congressional power to a known bungler? Answer that one and you might be coming closer to the truth about yourself – and that is that you are not qualified to be running for the highest office in this country because you, like many others both dem and repub, are “enablers” and “congressional abdicators” and deserve nothing from the american people except their patent repudiation and rejection.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:32 amKristol is a sycophantic media whore extraordinaire and I wonder where Faux News and it’s cadre of sycophants will go when their “gig of lies and deceit” is finally up? I suppose they’ll be on the unemployment lines along with the reichwing sycophantic trolls…heh heh.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amGood thing you folks weren’t around for the Civil War or WW-I or WW-II we would have never won.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amMr. Kristol: What is it that we would be “winning?” Clearly, trickle down ain’t cutting it for economics and it sure isn’t working for nation building. Do you see other Middle East nations clamoring for the Bush-Iraqi-style democracy? No thanks.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:36 amI cannot understand how this horrid excuse of a man can even look himself in the mirror to shave. He has so much blood on his hands–I can only conclude that he does not have a conscience.
Mark my words, he will get his just rewards for what he has wrought on this country–I don’t know when, but it will happen. Every dog has his day and every cat her night.
He makes me physicaly ill. I don’t know people can even look at him. I learned this morning on c-span, that Kristol has been given a job at Time Inc., to write a guest column. Tomorrow, I cancel my subscription.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:37 amFaux “news” + Kristol = support bush no matter how stupid…. what’s new?
January 28th, 2007 at 11:39 amThere it is — our Sunday morning barf picture of Kristol.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:39 amCan’t you post about him without showing his puss?
Kristol! We have seen many new directions in Iraq that have been supported by “let’s give it 6 more months” — how many more do you think we need?
January 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amI think the US and its oil companies are buying time to get themselves fully established in the oil business of Iraq — hence this surge is defending the real reason for the war in the first place.
When will Bill Kristol volunteer for military service? He looks in good health and certainly could get an age waiver.
Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Kristol. Otherwise, please shut up your self.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amWhat’s with this chickenhawk comment? Are you folks saying that civilian control of the military is illegitimate?
Wow.. you lefties are great… everything is malleable in your quest of Bush destruction.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amVince P,
January 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amHow come you left out Viet-nam and Korea?
Because the stakes of those wars are much lower than the wars I cited and this war.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:50 am#9 This is a civil war and the 70% of people opposing Bush’s reichwing policies is the winning side! Get over it troll and stand up for YOUR democracy!
January 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amIf Kristol and the other bush folly supporters would offer up something like; “I guarantee in six months that no more Americans are dying in Iraq; at least 50,000 troops are headed home; there will be no more sectarian violence and killing; and Iraq oil is flowing at levels exceeding those before our illegal invasion. If all of these things don’t occur, then I will sell everything I own on E-Bay and move to Iraq and begin to force the changes myself, that is how much I believe in this president!!!
BTW, don’t hold your breath waiting for anything like this to ever happen. Pundits are good at telling us what is in our best interest, but never have a personal stake in the outcome.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amseems desperate to keep his meal ticket riding high? Can we investigate which companies stock he owns so that you can see why he wants to continue?
January 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amthis is a non person, allow it’s head to explode with it’s own pressure. it is working toward a large coming expansion, and for it, that is good. it sees all and knows all and is impressed with what “all” is able to see.
when is it going to declare itself god?
kristol tries to veto the voters. real classy.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:55 am#12 – Faux News & Kristol – a case is “stupid is as stupid does”. Kristol needs to take that new job because his days as a legitimate newscaster clearly are over. He’ll last in the new job about 6 months because he certainly can’t speak truth which means that he probably can’t write it either.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amWith such an astounding record of failure upon failure,
Comment by AboveTheClouds — January 28, 2007 @ 11:30 am
BULLSH!T.
Take a look at the PROFITS of the DEFENSE INDUSTRY and then tell me that this WAR IS A FAILURE.
It’s all spelled out in IRAQ FOR SALE.
The WAR PROFITEERS have been enjoying BANNER PROFITS since the INVASION. THIS WAR HAS BEEN AN ECONOMIC BOON TO AN INDUSTRY WHICH SUFFERED GREATLY UNDER CLINTON!
January 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amGood for you Bill. Your statement against the cowards in Congress is even stronger than Liebermann’s. You are correct. The Senate has no right to stop Bush. Senators should support the troops and appropriate more funds for the war. Other than that, just shut up.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amshuuuuureee…..let’s stay there 6 months longer so Big Oil and Cheney’s Golden Parachute can amass more stolen american dollars! Huge investigations going on right now into war profiteering and the Cheney Crime family is in it deep!
January 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amOn FOX, he is only preaching to the choir. A very elderly choir, who don’t have the brain power anymore to see their being fooled.
But I’ll tell you what… the fact that Kristol is this worried abotu Congress doing something let’s us know that something CAN be done, and it’s apparntly in arms reach. And apparently it will be effective – because the supporters of the war seems a bit nervous about it.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:57 amLet’s look into the list of stockholders and Board of Directors of Halliburton, Carlyle Group (Papa Bush’s group) and then see where our money has gone, shall we?
January 28th, 2007 at 11:57 amSomebody or many people to be saying something.
IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED……FAILURE.
First, the Cons are always saying that the Democrat’s plan to withdraw means failure for the US regarding the Iraq war.
Drum roll.
This is the con. This is a sneaky attempt by the Republicans to IMPLY that they have not failed YET. It also implies that the can STILL succeed. Both of these ideas are false, not to mention that it is their party that has been in power and owns this war. The Democrats not only have NOT BEEN LISTENED TO regarding plans, they are NOT RESPONSIBLE for planning and leading the war….Republicans are. So, my point?
The Republicans WILL NOT ADMIT THEY HAVE FAILED. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. It is time for people to make them own this failure – IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:58 amInteresting how often these idiots reference Lieberman. Speaking of whom, Joe was on Fox Sunday News this morning, with his whiney little voice and his sad little face being one of Bush’s # 1 supporters. The only good thing about Gore losing the 2000 election was that it prevented sad sack from becoming VP and giving him, perhaps, enough cred to run for President. I wish the citizens in Connecticut would recall this travesty of a Democrat.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:58 amVince P. go someplace else. It is obvious you are not very bright. Also, your mouthbreathing is very offensive–go run around the block.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:00 pmVince P ,If I remember correctly, if Vietnam fell, the commies would take us over. You know, “The Vaunted Domino Theory”,well Vietnam fell and what happened? Are you speaking Ruski,Chinese?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:02 pmYou fools who use the phrase,”Well we haven’t been attacked since 9-11″!, well are just that, fools.
But I have to give the Bush Administration credit ,they have killed the “No.2 Man”, dozens of times. That’s a plus, isn’t it?
Iraq is not solely a civil war. It is that. It is also the Jihadis prime location to declare the Caliphate.
All you US-haters… what is your solution once we leave Iraq, and it becomes the Caliphate that the Muslims have been waiting for so they can start the next stage of thier Jihad.
hmmm?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:02 pmsconset: name calling doesn’t make you right. Argue the facts not emotions.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:03 pmRed: Vietnam fell, and then so did Cambodia and Laos.
Do those places not count? The MILLIONS who died.. no bother to you?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIs today ‘Post On A Liberal Blog If You Are An Insane Neocon Day’?
If not, it should be recognized as such… Sheesh the desperation on the right is batshit crazy…
January 28th, 2007 at 12:03 pmunbelievable: it sucks when someone disturbs the echo chamber doesn’t it?
I know all you guys want to engage in your 15 Minute Hate all day long, but oh well.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:05 pmOn FOX, he is only preaching to the choir. A very elderly choir, who don’t have the brain power anymore to see their being fooled.
I loved what Colbert said to O’Reilly about his own show attracting younger viewers than O’Reillys… You know, people in their 60’s and 50’s. LOL
But I’ll tell you what… the fact that Kristol is this worried abotu Congress doing something let’s us know that something CAN be done, and it’s apparntly in arms reach. And apparently it will be effective – because the supporters of the war seems a bit nervous about it.
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — January 28, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Absolutely. The run of insane trolls posting here this weekend after that staggering national display of anti-war protests yesterday further validates your logic.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI wish this loser would follow his own advice and shut the hell up! That would be a real service to the nation for this big time chickenhawk. As the asshat he is, he is used to doing nothing. All of his yakking at No News (Faux) amounts to a lot of nothing. Hell is too good a place for him and his ilk.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“Are you folks saying that civilian control of the military is illegitimate?” – Vince
Oh, I absolutely agree with you… in some cases. I don’t think a lot of the American people are that smart, hell just look at how many people legitimately voted for Bush (not counting the votes that were changed from Kerry to Bush, and Gore to Bush).
People can be, and ARE dumb. I would never think that an average American could know how to control a war.
But Bush isn’t just AS stupid/stubborn/ignorant as an average American, he is WORSE than that. He has failed at everything he has ever done, as I’m sure you’re aware. As a baseball team owner, oil-man, governor. And he only got those spots because of his name. And he got both presidencies from botches elections. You KNOW this.
Bush doesn’t know how to run a war. And the men behind the real actions that keep the war rolling have their own bizarre interests at heart and thats it.
But let me step away from that. Because while I say most Americans don’t know how to run a war, there are still many of us that are able to see what is happening through all the various media reports; TV, newspapers, magazines, and even friends and relatives who may live in or around the areas where war is happening.
The American people don’t need to know how to run a war specifically to know how the war is going and effecting the world. It’s just blatantly obvious how bad things are. There is nothing we’re missing by not being on the front lines. The majority of those idiot Americans are actually beginning to get what the smarter liberals/democrats/independents, and even a few Republicans have known since before the war even began! It’s a BAD MOVE.
It’s difficult for me to know if when you type what you do… you really mean it. Are you really still that fooled? Or are you just refusing to admit you were wrong about the war.
It’s understandable that it would be difficult to admit you were wrong at a place like Think Progress, cause there are many on edge Liberals/Democrats here who will no doubt jump on the chance to say “told you so.” Which means my guess is you truly still believe this non-sense war is going well. And that is sad.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:11 pmVince and Exley–I’m smart enough to see flawed logic or an attempt at logic when I see it.
You may be entitled to your opinions but not the facts.
Also, I have much better things to do than argue with a couple of 28%’ers who believe that the idiot in the White House knows what he is doing.
Like I said before, your a mouthbreathing fool who is very ignorant. Since you don’t know what you are talking about and are intellectually incapable of an intelligent discussion, do something physical like run around the block or go work on your tricycle.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmVince P,
Very provocative question, dumb as hell, but provocative.
Civil war- as the name implies a war within a country involving fellow countrymen. What we are in the middle of now, only we have no dog in the fight we’re just getting mauled.
World war’s I and II- involved much of the industrialized world, hence the name.
Iraq war- An illegitimate war started for illegitimate reasons based on lies overseen by a dinosaur who thought he was so much smarter than the rest of the country, not to mention his Generals.
Both Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are on record as predicting the war would not last more than six months, and you defend these chickenhawks?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmwhat is your solution once we leave Iraq, and it becomes the Caliphate that the Muslims have been waiting for so they can start the next stage of thier Jihad.
hmmm?
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Something clearly that your side did not consider PRIOR to deleting Saddam… So, now, what? You’re asking us how you can fix your terrible and tragically ignorant mistakes? Figures.
You guys claim that allowed them to elect their own leaders in the name of freedom. Well, I say “Be careful what you wish for”…
January 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThis is the effect Anti-US-Victory people have on the people we fight. Regarding Vietnam. The Jihadis have studied this history and it is their explicit strategy to get you folks to do the same thing for them , that they know they can’t do… defeat the US military. And dont respond back to me with your typical cliches… go do some research and read for yourself the philosophical and rational basis that the Jihadis have published that are on the Internet that speak directly to their reasons, their methods, and their goals.
Bush is out of office in 2 years. These events were developing before he got here and they’re going to be here after he leaves. Are you folks prepared to offer anyhting substative and constructive … or are you determined to undermine anyone who is aware of just how much the world is changing.
Vietnam:
By 1968, NVA morale was at it’s lowest point ever. The plans for “Tet” ‘68 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet ‘68 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.
At that time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet ‘68 offensive by the communist NVA. They were completely and totally amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, The NVA had not gained access to the Embassy–there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn’t gained access. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.
According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of 1967, beginning of 1968.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmCan someone please smack his face with a pie again?
-GSD
January 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI’d have Congress pass a binding resolution forcing all NeoCons into front line military service in Iraq. Kristol should go first.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIraq is a lost Bush/neocon cause. The majority Shia Iraqi’s are now an integral part of the Bush completed Iranian Shia Crescent. The neocons and Bush cant recover from this blunder. The Idiot changed the balance of power in the Middle East…. Of course he needs to blame someone… Everyone but himself… and his Neocon advisors.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmKristol should either be arrested or deported to Israel. Enough of him!
January 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWhen Al Pieda attacks!
-GSD
January 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRocks911
This is the battle space for today’s Jihad War… how is it not global?
http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/globalattacks.jpg
January 28th, 2007 at 12:16 pmsconset has yet to do anything except go into a tourettes fugue when trying to “dispute” me.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Good thing you folks weren’t around for the Civil War or WW-I or WW-II we would have never won.”
-Vinny the P
How did we win the Civil War? We fought ourselves and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. We damn near ruined this country. We burned cities to the ground and we didn’t even achive the limited goal of equal rights for black Americans. That took another 100 years.
Besides, people like you would have rooted for the south.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:19 pmVince P,
I suppose the communists are still coming to get us. I don’t buy into the military industrial complex of deceit. The elite have to have someone to hate to keep their coffers overflowing and our young men dying.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:21 pmSometimes failure happens. For the right wingers who own this war to shout back in our faces…”Well what do you propose…failure?!!!!?”
My answer: We don’t “propose” anything. The situation now IS FAILURE. And you own it. That cannot be spun. The fantasy that if we “propose” a solution (which the failued leadership and the right imply is our responsibility) will not WIN this war. It is lost…..they will do/say ANYTHING not to have to say that. Now it’s time to figure out how to move forward, fix what we can, and rebuild our country.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:22 pmunbelievable: it sucks when someone disturbs the echo chamber doesn’t it?
I’m all for debate with sane conservatives. In fact, I enjoy it. But insane Flat Earthers… It’s like walking through a field of cow pies…
I know all you guys want to engage in your 15 Minute Hate all day long, but oh well.
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
If you cannot differentitate bewteen hate and holding this regime culpable for their crimes, well, it explains why you cannot tell the difference between honest debate and troll flaming.
Thanks for pointing out that you are someone whose posts I should skip from now on.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pmRocks: The “elite” were blind to this just as most everyone else was too. Westerns , myself included for a time, discounted the obviously insane word coming from the exterme wing of Islam. We thought surely these people can’t believe this stuff and we spent no futher time thinking about it. What the things they say.. what do they actually mean.. what does it say about thier will and thier goals.
We think religion doesn’t matter anymore. For these folks it’s all that does. And their religion tells them to militarily engage in a conquest for the whole planet.
We are the primary force in the way. We will always be their target until either they or we are gone.
Islam is now revived from a few centuries of sleep.
Better read up on the Battle of Tours, the Seige of Vienna, Constantinople.. we are returning to those day.
Only this time they will eventually get nuclear weapons.
But hey… you guys hate George Bush, so keep denying reality.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI’ve asked many people many questions and as usual the only responses are name calling, or questions in response or comparasions that are nice if you’re doing some immature tit for tat infantalization routine but isn’t very helpful in the present.. I would like some of you to take an honest stab at the thought excersize.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:27 pms: you’re not trying to “hold them responsible” because if you had an understanding of who we are fighting you wouldn’t be calling for our defeat.
It’s that simple. We leave Iraq , we should kiss the world goodbye.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:29 pmWhy do we give slimeballs like Kristol a chance to act as a mouthpiece? I’d like to tell you the only thing his mouth IS good for, and it isn’t imparting any degree of intelligent verbiage. Open wide, and say: ahhhh…
January 28th, 2007 at 12:30 pmVince,
“But hey… you guys hate George Bush, so keep denying reality.”
Are you postulating that George lives in reality, now thats some funny stuff.
Again I ask, are the communists still coming to get us? I lived for thirty years with the same people telling me that the mushroom cloud was coming. Only one nation has done that and it wasn’t the commies. Just gotta have someone to hate. It’s the modern day equivalent of a lynching. I don’t buy into any of the fear mongering. We are our own worst enemies.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#56, 57, 58- WHAT? Excuse me, but I think that all intelligently evolved people should unite and work together for doing GOOD things for the planet, like: trying to live together harmoniously, growing healthy food to feed the hungry, use science as a tool to stamp out disease, and educate people who are dumbasses, so they know what they are talking about.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“Better read up on the Battle of Tours, the Seige of Vienna, Constantinople.. we are returning to those day.”
Thanks for the reading list Dad, gosh I’ll try to work it in. I just love the “you guys just aren’t aware” angle as if Conservatives are the fount of all legitimate sane thought.
It’s all blowback. We should act a lot less like an emperial menace and we wouldn’t have nearly the troubles we do.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pmRocks: When you drop your Bushocentric worldview, you might be able to notice the obvious turmoil in the world being perpetrated by Jihadists. You choose to deliberately shield yourself from it, you seem very scared to me.
I wonder if the reason why Leftists seem extremely reluctant to discuss Islam is because they are scared, they see no solution possible and so they seek their comfort in their illusionary rites of passage, like letting loose barrages of clichés toward people who would be so rude as to notice our common enemy and try to discuss it.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pm61: Doing good sometimes require you have to stand up and fight people who intend to do some serious evil. (you know, like what leftists do to their own people)
Or you dont acknoweldge the sheer horror of sharia law? Just some dark skinned people’s problem in far off lands?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmRocks: what was the blowback in 1949 when Qutb identified the United States as the main enemy to be defeated before the Jihad can win?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmeducate people who are dumbasses, so they know what they are talking about.
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico — January 28, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Which is the exact opposite goal of our public education system at present.
I liked New Mexico. I hear you guys are actually living progressive ideals… No wonder the people there generally seemed happier than this red state where I currently live.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAbsolutely right. Support the troops. Appropriate the funds.
Bush is not a troop.
Kristol is hiding behind the troops in order to salvage the neocon gambit. Pure slime.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pmNeo-cons like Kristol love to say the only way to support the troops is to support their mission. Doing so brings a sparkle to their sociopathic little eyes.
So, let me make sure I understand the logic here:
1) A soldier’s duty is to accept without question the mission handed him by his commander-in-chief.
2)In this case, the commander says the mission is about bringing democracy to the Iraqi people and, of course, protecting our own.
3) A citizen– whose duty generally is to question those thing being done in her name– must in this case also blindly accept the mission if she wants to support the troops, effectively becoming a soldier herself, the president her commander-in-chief.
4) Militaries are, of necessity, top-down dictatorships.
5)So to truly support our troops, and their mission to protect our democracy from harm, a citizen must live as a subject under a dictatorship.
Obvious, eh?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pmIt’s all blowback. We should act a lot less like an emperial menace and we wouldn’t have nearly the troubles we do.
Comment by Rocks911 — January 28, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Yes, the neocons cannot accept that the resistence to the American Empire is simply people defending themselves against a hostile takeover… They cannot see or understand anything that isn’t their own lily white self-absorbed and aggrandizing delusion.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pmLiberal in New Mexico :
If I am so uneducated and you are educated on this issue can you tell me what is the orginationization concept of the Koran. What was the basis for how the text was written to form a unified book.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:46 pmOur government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear, kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to goblle us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbinant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to happen, seem never to have been quite real – Douglas MacArthur
I prefer his take on impending doom more so than the lunatic fringe.
Again I ask are the Communists still coming to get us?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmJanuary 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Rocks: Stick to the topic and dont lay rhetorical “traps” as lame as the one you’re trying. Do you even know who Qutb is?
January 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmYawn
January 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmJust sign the checks….!!
January 28th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWe have absolute prood that the Neo-Cons are desperate today. They sent out their finest minds to defend Bush and his war. Joe, Bill, and Dick. One babbling tirade of lies and misinformation after another.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWell its obvious after 70 or so comments none of you have considered the impact a US surrender on the world.
And yet you masturbate each other with how smart and clever you are.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmVince P,
January 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI know where you pulled that number of just 10,000 casualties up to Tet ‘68,your ass! In ‘66 & ‘67, there were a total of 16,592 +- “Combat Deaths”,alone!
Do yourself a favor, before you make a horses ass out of yourself again, research your comment! Us mine at :
archives.gov/research/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html
Bear I’m not the author of that vietnam thing. The numbers aren’t even the point. Thank you for maintaining my lack of faith that the point would actually be addressed.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:05 pmSpudge: thank you for your reasonable response.
Unfortunately, Iraq is central to the War on Terror, because the Jihadis definately see Iraq as part of thier plan. And the evidence is plan to see that their hand is over the place. Please dont respond with arguments about the stated reasons for the war in Iraq. We all been down those arguments a million times now, so we’ll just have to disagree and leave it there.
I just finished a book called “Inside the Jihadâ€, written by Arab who was in the Al Qaida camps in the mid 1990s…
Here is what he wrote of events that happened in 1995:
Page 180
“One night, one of the brothers asked what the next jihad would be. Ibn Sheikh didn’t hesitate: Iraq. Iraq was rich with oil, and the government was weak. The Gulf War and the sanctions had left Saddam Hussein almost powerless. The people were ready for a revolution because they had been oppressed for so long under Saddam. Of course there was another reason to go after Iraq: if the mujahidin won Iraq, then Iran would be surrounded. It was a tantalizing opportunity.â€
So there.. way before Bush came along, Iraq was in the crosshairs.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:17 pmVince P…..the American people are ahead of you. Your suppostion that “we kiss the world goodby” if we leave Iraq is revealing….as well as wrong. First, we have to deal with the failure. If you cannot accept that and wish to fail more deeply…..you have a problem. Because staying, in the opinion of better minds and more minds than the chimporer have said staying is a waste of lives and will not solve the failure of this war. And what was this failure? Our ( the cabal’s ) failure was to see a nation apart from ourselves, in all it’s complexity and right to exist seperate from ourselves, as being fair game. Saddam was contained…Cheny lies when he says he was not. Cheny lies A LOT. Or haven’t you noticed?
January 28th, 2007 at 1:18 pmOur failure was in our greed to dominate and to conquer. This is why we have LOST. ( Reminder….we have lost…)
You are one of those people that have little trust in human nature. Did it ever occur to you that our goal as a people might be, in the long run, to GET ALONG with others eventually? Hmmm? If you don’t believe that is possible, you are lazy and irresponsible.
This war on terrorism has been defined by people like yourself that are frightened and EXAGGERATE both the scope of terrorists ( though I admit that scope has grown due to your leaders..not mine.) and need to use force to solve any and all problems. We are not “toast” if we leave Iraq. Our domination might be toast, the oils profits might be toast, …….. It is a worthy and practical goal to respect others in this world and only use force as an aboslute last resort. Iraq was a war of ambition and greed. Iran is not the threat that our lying leaders say it is. Is it in any way a threat? Yes, of course. Is nuclear proliferation ( and we have largely contributed to that proliferation ) a huge challenge and threat? Of course. But attacking the entire world will not solve that threat….it will escalate it. We need a combination of intelligent diplomacy, restoration of our Democracy here at home, a national self assessment about the state of our culture/country, and yes, a strong military. What we don’t need is a fake war on terror, a king, a corporate controlled media, and a greater share of the worlds resources then we deserver. Right wingers like yourself in denial with the assuption that we own the world. It is an ugly world view, but worse, it is unworkable.
Vince P…..as long as you two dimensionalize other human beings…..even extremists,……is the length of time you will be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:19 pms: as long as you 1968-dimensionalize today’s world you will continue to be wrong. I’ve spent years studying Islam. I challenged my own thinking and finally under the mountain of plain evidence couldn’t hold onto a false perception of the world.
The world we are heading into will present the most challenging geopolitical environment this country will have ever faced and we are unprepared for it at all levels. Though that’s not to say other countries are going to be any better prepared. Western Europe will be lucky to make to through 2050 without something similiar to the ethnic/religious warfare brought on by the fall of Communist Yugoslavia.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:24 pmkristol’s whole ideal is or everyone to shut up & let him do whatever the hell he wants to do.
his idea of heaven is to live in vaacuum, where his actions & words have no consequences, where there is no one to talk back to him, no one to get his way & no one to hold him accountable.
i hate this…i dont think you can even dignify hmim with the noun “person”.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:39 pmSpudge: Amen. I couldn’t agree with you more. He has been a horrible war leader.. and the really sad thing is, he’s the best we have right now. As much as he is attacked by like everyone, it takes an incredible amount of courage to continue on with soemthing you know must be done no matter how unpopular. (His horrible communication and his non defending his policy is a key reason why this is so unpopular).
But it is his fault. And Congress’ too. Both bits of the govt failed in providing the leadership for this war.
Congress should have declare war after 9/11. We are at war.. everyone needs to know this… we need to have the mental state in order to sustain it. The people who are fighting us are not doubtful of thier course. They are willing to go the long haul. We are not. They know this.
I dont worship at the feet of Bush, however, nor am I going to be too hard on him… he is fighting a war in my defense and from the looks of things there are few in Washington would.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“The world we are heading into will present the most challenging geopolitical environment this country will have ever faced and we are unprepared for it at all levels.”
What the cold war? I guess we should all be speaking Vietnamese….
January 28th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“Congress should have declare war after 9/11. We are at war.. everyone needs to know this…”
Afghanistan?? Oh wait, war on your delusional babble.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:54 pmhttp://www.babble.net/
Britain’s favourite telephone company!!!!!
January 28th, 2007 at 1:58 pmVince P, you’re mighty busy this morning filling the links here with ignorant rubbish. Do you really believe in Bush’s War? There’s an Army recruiter out there who is anxious to sign you up. Think you’re too old? Maybe not, and lucky for you. A 58-year-old was sent to Iraq last month. Maybe you have kids who can sign up to go with you. I’m sure you’re heard that our Army and Marine Corp are stretched thin after 3 years 10 months of Bush’s War.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe mothers and fathers from Military Families Speak Out who marched in DC yesterday will be thrilled to hear that you and your offspring will provide needed reinforcement to their beleagured sons and daughters in Iraq. Time to put up or shut up Vincie.
God is a nihilist , it’s obvious you’re acting out emotionally. Try to be rational.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:01 pmQues que tu dire??? Tu aime le buerre de kaka whete? Me gusta.
Anaa arrab byra!!!!!
January 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmsheila: it’s not Bush’s war. It’s the Jihadis war.
And try your mind-numbing speech-silencing tactic on someone else. it doesn’t work for me.
And the folks who are in our military are Men and Women. They are not kids.. boys and girls. They are not victims. Do not belittle them for your own ends.
Sheila: I shall not shut up, is that what your movement has come to? Silencing dissent. Gee, I thought you were against that. Of course in reality all that matters is your small-minded political view. You will fight for nothing, protect nothing, sacrifice nothing and you will tear down those who do.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:06 pmVince P, El Ab!!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B_FnYwqlWZM
January 28th, 2007 at 2:08 pmkristol is a thorough disgrace as a human being. Why is his voice still heard in public, and EVERY week no less? Him and cheney and other neocons should be hollowing at the moon on a funny farm – that would be commensurate with the seriousness of their thouights and actions.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:16 pm.
Sorry, Vince – I had some company stop by for scones, fruit and coffee. I see that you are still busy defending your position from an onslaught of patriots. Good luck with your position on… what was it, again? Of yeah… political/religious vassilation in twenty-first century America under the Bush regime. And now, it’s time for a nap-
January 28th, 2007 at 2:19 pmLiberal, so you didn’t answer my question about the Koran. Yet you come to conclusions about my educational level, a baseless statement since anyone who knows anything about Islam should be able to answer it easily and quickly.
You should take your little insult back.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:23 pmvincep I just saw where this administration wants to double H-1b visas for India.from 65,000 to 115,000 Islam/Hindus.
So is this good or bad in your view Vince P?
You worry about an 800 year old caliphate so I wanted to see your views on this.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pmVince P…..the Koran has been twisted by extremists…..or didn’t you check. The VAST majority of Muslims ( perhaps until BushBot came along) do not embrace terrorism. I know the Koran well, and it is no bloodier than the Bible in all the Bible’s calls for revenge. Jihad ( as the founder of Islam meant it ) means to battle oneself to attain purity and reach God.
Liberal only questions your education level ( I question who is paying you to troll this blog) because of your ignorance and your support of this criminal administration and this criminal war. You say you don’t support Bush….you do if you support this immoral and illegal war.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:49 pmHey Vince -
You’re like the witch in the Wizard of Oz. Trying to be all bad and scary. Wanting people to listen to your scary stories. It worked for a while but she was doomed from the start. Why don’t you go away before someone drops a house on you too?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:49 pmVince, Glad we finally have your attention. Now you need to SIGN UP for the Army or the Marines. Both services are desperate for recruits. Say you want to deploy immediately to Baghdad. No training necessary for Bush’s surge. All they need are fresh warm bodies to defeat the insurgency. Be sure to tell us how you’re doing.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThis is a good place to see how extremists have twisted the original teachings of Mohammed. * Surrah in the debate.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/facade.shtml
January 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2007/Iran_to_sign_10_billion_dollar_gas__01282007.html
Tehran- Iran is to sign a 10-billion-dollar gas project
with Royal Dutch Shell and Spain’s Repsol, state-television IRIB
reported Sunday.
The initial agreements for the project have already been signed
and the deal for producing liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the South
Pars gas field would be finalised within the current year, IRIB said.
And we also have this. huh. What to make of it all?
January 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pms: Your putting words in my mouth.
I’ve gone to great lenghts to not lump all Muslims together, taht’s why I try to stick to words like Jihadis.
And duh, yes its obvious that not all Muslims are any one way in anything.
The issue is not numbers but this: Does Islam justify what the Jihadis claim it does. The answer is yes. Why is that the answer? Because the Jihadis say so and if you read any of thier papers, you will see all their views are backed up with Sura and Hadith.
The challenge is for the non-Jihadi Muslims to state thier Koran/Hadithic-based reason why the Jihadis are wrong.
There’s no question vast amounts of Muslims are peaceful. And why is that? Because they’re simply not following the letter of the Koranic law. They are not following an alternative mode that could be found in the Koran, they are just ignoring the duties and obligations the numerous violent commands call for.
The Jihadis are the ones who follow them.
Dont expect a Reformation in Islam,by the way . The Jihadis are the reformers.
I’m not going into the Bible because it’s entirely besides the point. The Jihadis dont use it for anything, so there’s no role for it in this discussion.
Islam contains inside it a very powerful war mechanism , it way more sophisticated then most people realized. It was through this mechanism taht Islam went from Mecca to the area of the land between Spain and India in 100 years. Deception and lies are a part of the strategy
January 28th, 2007 at 2:59 pmVince P, have you not learned from my wise…er……..comments? You need to meditate, wait am I Buddhist or a Muslim, hmmmm?………………………………………………………………..Here’s what you need to do. Go out to your bedroom window, jump out, and if you survived, then that means your right. If you just leave your computer, you have just learned that it’s useless to argue on the Internet and have gained your mastericy……………..No, I’m not high, just in Amsterdam at the moment………..
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 pmShelia: Its sad how you speak to other people. You do shame to your cause.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 pmOh good ….Joanie Dough, Vince’s pal and fellow troll that hops into all the posts with her/his/its crap on a reg basis.
Maybe Vince’s “shift” is over and Joanie’s on. It is 3:05. Maybe Joanie Dough”s shift starts at 3 PM.
This is another poster that is into “witty” and ignorant rants and insults…Ignore
January 28th, 2007 at 3:01 pms: I dont know who that person is.
But I see you show your character by inventing something about me.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:09 pmOh good ….Joanie Dough, Vince’s pal and fellow troll that hops into all the posts with her/his/its crap on a reg basis.
Maybe Vince’s “shift†is over and Joanie’s on. It is 3:05. Maybe Joanie Doughâ€s shift starts at 3 PM.
This is another poster that is into “witty†and ignorant rants and insults…Ignore
Comment by s
You are confusing me with Joanie Doe/Rachel. =) I am the anti-rachel.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmhttp://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Ftimesofindia.indiatimes.com%2FBush_wants_more_young_Indian_minds_in_United_States%2Farticleshow%2F1461553.cms
“We’re in a global economy. And so when the Chinese economy grows, or the Indian economy grows — which we want it to do, by the way — it provides markets for your products. So it’s in our interests that we trade,” Bush said.
I am speaking of the Global economy s ya know peace thru trade?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:17 pmObviously he was asleep all thru November. “Do Nothing” was the hallmark of the last Congress…
As for the trolls, remember; you could lead them to the facts, but you can;t make them think.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThis is another poster that is into “witty†and ignorant rants and insults…Ignore
Comment by s
But if you should like I CAN make witty and ignorant rants and insults against you for your witty ignorant insult against me that you have made while accusing me of being who I am not or have ever been. Read the moniker closely. =)
January 28th, 2007 at 3:20 pmRemember, we are talking about Kristol here. He says that the Senate should do NOTHING about Iraq. Just send more troops and more money and shut up. Good God, what have we come to as a country? Raise your hand if you agree with Kristol. If you do, you’ll love living under King George and his palace guards named Billy, Joey, and Dickie.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:21 pmPapJohn: So whats your bright idea about a new role for the Senate… should we have a committee meeting before agreeing to have a mortor fired at the barracks?
There is no role for the Senate in the execution of the war.
And should it feel oddly competent to offer a suggestion there are discreet ways of doing so.
It’s role is to either shut off teh money and shut off the war, or impeach Bush. That’s it.
For all you people’s false concern for teh military you seem oddly flippant about this disasterous development.
but knowing you dont care about the military or the country, we know thats the very reason you want the senate to do what its doing.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:25 pmFor anyone who has not figured it out yet, comment 119 by “Vince” proves this writer is a phony who tries to instigate a reaction to his rubbish and nonsense. We have serious issues and comments here. There must have been an intense meeting in the WH after the demonstration yesterday. The result was the desicion to send out Kristol, Cheney, and Liebermann to fan the flames of War this morning. This tactic used to work well for the WH, but no more. Americans are finally awake.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAs Einstein saisd there are five solutions to every problem, the first is to do nothing. Clearly Kristol has no solution.
but knowing you dont care about the military or the country, we know thats the very reason you want the senate to do what its doing.
Comment by Vince P
So they are protesting for the troops to come home because they don’t care about them? Cmon Vince I cant accept the premise of your argument here.
I am not for surrender, I am for redeployment so the Iraqis can stand up so we can stand down. And thru trade we can hopefully help build a democratic society where religious Koranic Shurian law becomes a thing of the past.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:39 pmJoanie: the troops in Iraq dont want to leave. and they certainly dont want a bunch of anti-war protesters to be speaking on their behalf.
Can you think of anything more absurd than a soldier buying into the notion that the Hate-USA crowd actually gives a rip about him? I know John Kerry and Rangal think they’re stupid, but do you think that too?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:42 pmKristol noted an op-ed by Sen. John Warner (R-VA) which asked, “What do [Bush supporters] want us to do in the Senate? Do nothing?†Kristol answered, “Absolutely right. Absolutely right. Support the troops. Appropriate the funds.â€
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Translation: “Siddown, shaddup, and don’t question Our Beloved Leader.”
January 28th, 2007 at 3:42 pmCongress has already been “DOING NOTHING” for the past four years.
Kristol is telling Congress to “STAY THE COURSE – DO NOTHING!”
Imprison Neocon Traitor Kristol for Treason.
This is HIS WAR.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#
Joanie: the troops in Iraq dont want to leave. and they certainly dont want a bunch of anti-war protesters to be speaking on their behalf.
Comment by Vince P — January 28, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
No, of course…especially since they ALL elected you to make it known that ALL of them want to stay in Iraq.
Easily one of the most ridiculous postings in the history of the Internets.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:46 pmace: clearly you’re easily impressed
January 28th, 2007 at 3:48 pmJoanie: the troops in Iraq dont want to leave. and they certainly dont want a bunch of anti-war protesters to be speaking on their behalf.
I said redeploy. That does not mean leave.
This is America and people have that right to speak. If you don’t want people to speak freely then what happens to Democracy?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIf people cannot speak freely then don’t we become monarchial or communistic?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pmJoanie: By all means.. please. demostrate away. Hold your “No surge” sign up. Try not to think like a soldier in Iraq would who saw that sign and that if you had your way, he wouldn’t be getting more support.
Gee, why would anyone question the motives of Pro-American-Defeat protestors.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAnd on another front Joanie Dough is making since in her arguement against the new troll Vince P. Must not be the real Joanie Doe.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Nope I am not MA/Rachel/Joanie I could never achieve that level of parody. =)
January 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmSpudge: One can only be the better man for so long.. how many provocations do i need to endure. You should be aiming your comments at your buddies.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIts a many faceted problem Vince. And I, as you, am trying to make sense of it all.
Trade, war, religion, resources, peace, freedom of speech, a decider, a guy that says do nothing, redeployment, protesters.
One effects the other and their is no easy solution. I do not think its a good time to partake in divisive politics and accuse one another of being the problem.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:01 pmSpudge: One can only be the better man for so long.. how many provocations do i need to endure. You should be aiming your comments at your buddies.
Comment by Vince P
We should be pulling together as a country for a solution and not trying to tear one another down Vince.
United we stand divided we fall.
I’m gonna go eat some lunch, I have enjoyed the discussion Vince. Later.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:04 pm#69 — GI — In general I agree with your comments except for on thing:
One condition of a soldier’s General Orders is to obey those commands if they are legal. If they are illegal (which this war is) then it is their duty to disobey.
A former female GI
January 28th, 2007 at 4:05 pmRe: Posting #25
For the third time in four days, a name-jacked posting falsey attributed to me has appeared on a ThinkProgress thread. The first two have been deleted by administration, for which I am grateful. Posting #25 is a name-jack. It was not written by me. Please delete it. Thank you.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:29 pmOOPS. Sorry. Thought I was on Freepers
January 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmQuit yer whinin’ Exley. It’s not very becoming of you.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pmWhat a load of Kristol!
Do you think he realizes yet that he’s a standing joke?
January 28th, 2007 at 5:43 pmNeoCons are not interested in supervision,questioning,auditing or follow up…they are interested in the Congress checks and taxpers money to complete the global PNAC plan..that’s call. So Kristol as a big NeoCon palyer wants the Congress just to ’shut up’ and write the big checks.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhat a jerk.
January 28th, 2007 at 6:54 pmPosting #25 is a name-jack. It was not written by me. Please delete it. Thank you.
Comment by Exley — January 28, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Exley, somehow I have the feeling that, even if #25 is technically incorrect, it is factually accurate.
In other words, I doubt you disagree with the contents of the post: I seem to recall you arguing in favor of the unenumerated & inherent presidential powers claimed by Pres Bush.
January 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pmVince:
“All you US-haters… what is your solution once we leave Iraq, and it becomes the Caliphate that the Muslims have been waiting for so they can start the next stage of thier Jihad.”
You are truly delusional. For one thing, the accretion of the radical Islamist enemy in the form of a coherent state would be the easiest thing for us to attack with impunity, minimal loss of US life, and successful outcome. Witness the rapid elimination of the Taliban from Afghanistan, quite successful until your neocon ilk diverted attention to a needless war in Iraq.
Probably the best course of action in this sorry mess is to redeploy US forces to the Iranian, Syrian, and Saudi borders, allow a safe exit to refugee camps for anyone who wants out, and then let the militias duke it out without external involvement or broadening of the conflict, or help them work toward a diplomatic solution if they ever become willing. Failing diplomacy, the emergent winner of the civil war will either be someone we can deal with or someone we can’t. If the latter, we’ll know exactly where they are.
But people like you are so hell-bent on “winning”, which apparently means total and unquestioned capitulation of the populace to your nazi demands, that you can’t see any other way but your own disastrous approach.
And, come on, “US Haters”? Who are you really, Archie Bunker?
I don’t even hate you, I just feel sorry for you and your broad synaptic breakdown.
January 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pm“All you US-haters… what is your solution once we leave Iraq, and it becomes the Caliphate that the Muslims have been waiting for so they can start the next stage of thier Jihad.â€
First off the “NeoCon’s†that come in here are niether New, nor Conservative. They have the same old Straussian/Machiavellian beliefs that is the NeoCon. “Strauss thought that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat, and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured,†– Shadia Drury
“Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed,†Strauss wrote. “Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united-and they can only be united against other people.†Strauss’ established governance, according to Drury, is made possible through “aggressive, belligerent foreign policy,†and “perpetual war, not perpetual peace, is what Straussians believe in.â€
A Straussian society needs an endless war to supply a “them†against which “we†will do endless battle. The endless war, such a horrible prospect for the rest of us, provided the political glue to transform the United States of American from a liberal democracy to a Straussian totalitarian state.
No one in here hates America. What I see is America getting destroyed by NeoCons. I stand against that!
January 28th, 2007 at 10:18 pmIt’s easy for Bill Kristol to say do nothing. He’s just an academic. It’s easy for him to support sending other people off to their deaths.
January 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pm‘Do Nothing’? Sorry, Kristol, the last congress already tried that, and it didn’t work. Perhaps you shoud take your own advice, given your track record.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:54 pmIt all makes sense if you picture Kristol as someone trying to get revenge on the US for helping to crush the 3rd Riech.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:20 am97; (sheila: it’s not Bush’s war. It’s the Jihadis war.) ” sorry Vince, P. It is our war, it is American military personnel dying there.”
And the folks who are in our military are Men and Women. They are not kids.. boys and girls. They are not victims. Do not belittle them for your own ends.
“From where I stand, they are kids. I was out of the military before most of them were even born.” The insult is that apparently you are part of the valiant conservative desk battalion.
Vince, P.:How does it feel to be in the same league as the 20 or 21 Bush family members who don’t believe in the father’s/uncle’s war enough to volunteer and fight for his cause?
January 29th, 2007 at 12:48 amKind of ironic isn’t it that Kristol and St. Joe Leibemann both appeared on FOX News yesterday. Cheney had his big interview on FOX last week and now tosses his bullshit to Newsweek. Who could EVER believe ANYTHING froms these immoral crooks?
January 29th, 2007 at 7:45 am“Billy K” to the rest of America “Just bend over and take it.” What a loser.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmSpeaking of “intrinsically wicked.” Can’t think of a better example than the Smiler.
Kristol, Cheney, et. al. keep me believing in an afterlife – since they prosper in this world, I have to believe that they will pay in the next phase.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWhy does Kristol hate the United States and its citizens so much? Treasonous traitors to our country, such as Kristol, will be dealt with in a court of law. Lawyer up, Kristol.
January 29th, 2007 at 2:13 pm“From where I stand, they are kids. I was out of the military before most of them were even born.†The insult is that apparently you are part of the valiant conservative desk battalion.
Vince, P.:How does it feel to be in the same league as the 20 or 21 Bush family members who don’t believe in the father’s/uncle’s war enough to volunteer and fight for his cause?
Comment by j7915
Couldn’t have said it better…Great job!!!
January 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pmI don’t have to join the Military , dolt. Besides, I’m gay, they don’t want me.
If you’re against us fighting the Jihadis, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and kill yourself now?
January 29th, 2007 at 10:16 pm