Comments on: CentCom Nominee Refuses To Endorse Bush’s Escalation Strategy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:30:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: doro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1593855 doro Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:22:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1593855 # 31 I'm with you there, but will the military and congress go along, or will somebody someday just say no? I still hope they do. # 31

I’m with you there, but will the military and congress go along, or will somebody someday just say no?

I still hope they do.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1592704 impeachcheneythenbush Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:22:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1592704 The geopolitic involved with posturing toward Iran simply states one thing: there's only one big dog that gets to "run" the Middle East, and it's going to be the U.S. We will do anything and everything we need to do to make that happen. I'm quite sure the U.S. will attack Iran in the near future via sea and air, and not at all surprised if they don't use some tactical nuclear weapons as well. Of course, it will be in response to some manufactured attack, just as the Gulf of Tonkin attacks were in the day. It's always been, and will always be, about OIL. <em>Who controls it</em>. The geopolitic involved with posturing toward Iran simply states one thing: there’s only one big dog that gets to “run” the Middle East, and it’s going to be the U.S. We will do anything and everything we need to do to make that happen. I’m quite sure the U.S. will attack Iran in the near future via sea and air, and not at all surprised if they don’t use some tactical nuclear weapons as well. Of course, it will be in response to some manufactured attack, just as the Gulf of Tonkin attacks were in the day. It’s always been, and will always be, about OIL. Who controls it.

]]> By: doro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1592365 doro Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:33:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1592365 Look at this: they are going for it hammer and tongs it seems. CNN promotes the propaganda to page one! http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/31/iraq.main/index.html I wonder what General Fallon and the military brass will have to say, when asked to respond to these "gulf of tonkin"-like incidents. Look at this: they are going for it hammer and tongs it seems. CNN promotes the propaganda to page one!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/31/iraq.main/index.html

I wonder what General Fallon and the military brass will have to say, when asked to respond to these “gulf of tonkin”-like incidents.

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591726 tarazan Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:40:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591726 Iraq was part of the Arab countries' camp before this war started in 2003. After this war, Iraq became part of the Iran's camp under a Shiate leadership,who came back from Iran,well trained and well equipped. Sooner or later we will leave Iraq, and Iraq will develop to become an Iranians' satellilte. Iran influence on the increase in Iraq after the collapse of The Ba'athists regime in Iraq under Saddam. 20 years ago,we were supporting Saddam and his regime under Reagan administration ,because he was the enemey of Ayatollas of Iran. It was not until Saddam invaded Kuwait that he became our enemy. In fact Senator Bob Dole with other 5 senators visited Saddam in the city of Mousol in 1990 to assure him of the USA support. In January of 1990 Bush Sr., overrode Congressitional opposition to deny credits for Iraq . Bush defended his decision because it is in the US best interest to continue support Saddam. The Shiate leadership in Iraq wants the Americans now to help them eradicate the Ba'athists left from the old regime; the resistance pockets in big mob operations..and when this is done,they will tell the Americans to leave..and Iran will be the dominating power not just in Iraq, but the whole Persian Gulf area when you consider that 30% of Kuwaities are Shiate,49% of the Bahranis,15% of the Saudis east coast,and hundreds of thousands of Iranians now live and work in the oil producing countries. With Iraq on their side, they will be a major power in the area. But right now,they need the Americans...when Bush talks about victory..it might mean something different to him than what the Shiate leadership in Iraq and Iran...Victory to the Shiate means total control of Iraq, marginalization of the Sunnis, and control of oil resource..beside open the door to trade between both countries ,the rise and blend between the two religious powers of Ayatollas over their masses in both countries. Iraq was part of the Arab countries’ camp before this war started in 2003. After this war, Iraq became part of the Iran’s camp under a Shiate leadership,who came back from Iran,well trained and well equipped. Sooner or later we will leave Iraq, and Iraq will develop to become an Iranians’ satellilte. Iran influence on the increase in Iraq after the collapse of The Ba’athists regime in Iraq under Saddam. 20 years ago,we were supporting Saddam and his regime under Reagan administration ,because he was the enemey of Ayatollas of Iran. It was not until Saddam invaded Kuwait that he became our enemy. In fact Senator Bob Dole with other 5 senators visited Saddam in the city of Mousol in 1990 to assure him of the USA support. In January of 1990 Bush Sr., overrode Congressitional opposition to deny credits for Iraq . Bush defended his decision because it is in the US best interest to continue support Saddam. The Shiate leadership in Iraq wants the Americans now to help them eradicate the Ba’athists left from the old regime; the resistance pockets in big mob operations..and when this is done,they will tell the Americans to leave..and Iran will be the dominating power not just in Iraq, but the whole Persian Gulf area when you consider that 30% of Kuwaities are Shiate,49% of the Bahranis,15% of the Saudis east coast,and hundreds of thousands of Iranians now live and work in the oil producing countries. With Iraq on their side, they will be a major power in the area. But right now,they need the Americans…when Bush talks about victory..it might mean something different to him than what the Shiate leadership in Iraq and Iran…Victory to the Shiate means total control of Iraq, marginalization of the Sunnis, and control of oil resource..beside open the door to trade between both countries ,the rise and blend between the two religious powers of Ayatollas over their masses in both countries.

]]> By: Raven http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591678 Raven Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:25:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591678 He called them "whatevers". That isn't even acknowledging the soldiers as human beings. I hope this is the torpedo that sinks his boat. He called them “whatevers”.
That isn’t even acknowledging the soldiers as human beings.
I hope this is the torpedo that sinks his boat.

]]> By: Mikey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591556 Mikey Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:57:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591556 "more comfortable in smaller numbers of very effective capabilities than a large number of — whatevers — decorating the landscape" So the MSM crucifies John Kerry for his "botched joke" but nobody says anything about this guy almost calling our soldiers inefective? Regardless, I'm glad he isn't allowing himself to get fenced in by the dog and pony show being put on by the assclowns in Congress. “more comfortable in smaller numbers of very effective capabilities than a large number of — whatevers — decorating the landscape”

So the MSM crucifies John Kerry for his “botched joke” but nobody says anything about this guy almost calling our soldiers inefective?

Regardless, I’m glad he isn’t allowing himself to get fenced in by the dog and pony show being put on by the assclowns in Congress.

]]> By: Fools on the Hill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591533 Fools on the Hill Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:53:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591533 The plan for Iran is three days of massive bombing! And then what? The Bush "last chance plan" for Iraq is to count on Iraqis, that we can't count on. And then what? The plan for Iran is three days of massive bombing! And then what?

The Bush “last chance plan” for Iraq is to count on Iraqis, that we can’t count on. And then what?

]]> By: [B!] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591508 [B!] Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:48:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591508 but didn’t Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed? Comment by Liberal in New Mexico No,not to me;I knew what to expect from a Bush appointee. but didn’t Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed?
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico

No,not to me;I knew what to expect from a Bush appointee.

]]> By: Raven http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591504 Raven Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:47:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591504 We may have another <em>feint</em> in this whole issue of sending more troops, when the real objective is to break loose the airplanes and laser bombs. The running history of this regime has been throwing bones out to distract the watchdogs, while they rob the homes....... We may have another feint in this whole issue of sending more troops, when the real objective is to break loose the airplanes and laser bombs.
The running history of this regime has been throwing bones out to distract the watchdogs, while they rob the homes…….

]]> By: mark Carlo x in cognito http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591487 mark Carlo x in cognito Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:45:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591487 I think a major problem is that Iraq is a huge strategic treasure. Democrats and Republicans alike are tied to military industrial corporate interests; the interest here being Oil, lots and lots of the black gold; and preventing China and Russian elites from getting their hands on it. Sadly, it looks like, until U.S. soldiers are dying by the thousands every week, will exiting Iraq be "politicly viable" for either party. hopefully we'll see more mass demonstration and soldiers refusing orders on the basis of being ordered to commit "war crimes", deployed into an illegal war, etc. (see Watada) I think a major problem is that Iraq is a huge strategic treasure. Democrats and Republicans alike are tied to military industrial corporate interests; the interest here being Oil, lots and lots of the black gold; and preventing China and Russian elites from getting their hands on it.

Sadly, it looks like, until U.S. soldiers are dying by the thousands every week, will exiting Iraq be “politicly viable” for either party.

hopefully we’ll see more mass demonstration and soldiers refusing orders on the basis of being ordered to commit “war crimes”, deployed into an illegal war, etc. (see Watada)

]]> By: share http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591453 share Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:41:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591453 <blockquote>Remember as well the second Naval aircraft carrier group steaming for the Persian Gulf as we speak……… Comment by Raven There is also one in the Mediterranean.</blockquote> Just order the troops home, sir.

Remember as well the second Naval aircraft carrier group steaming for the Persian Gulf as we speak………

Comment by Raven

There is also one in the Mediterranean.

Just order the troops home, sir.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591441 Zooey Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:39:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591441 <em>I hate to sound so suspicious (not really - just kidding), but didn’t Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed? Now, what? He’s a big, brown-nosed lap hound. WOOF! WOOF! Comment by Liberal in New Mexico </em> You are correct, sir! I hate to sound so suspicious (not really – just kidding), but didn’t Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed? Now, what? He’s a big, brown-nosed lap hound. WOOF! WOOF!
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico

You are correct, sir!

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591435 Jay Randal Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:37:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591435 Hopefully Admiral Fallon in the future might refuse to carry out Bush's orders to bomb the crap out of Iran. One can hope anyways, otherwise WWIII begins soon! Hopefully Admiral Fallon in the future might refuse to carry out Bush’s orders to bomb the crap out of Iran. One can hope anyways, otherwise WWIII begins soon!

]]> By: Liberal in New Mexico http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591433 Liberal in New Mexico Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:37:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591433 I hate to sound so suspicious (not really - just kidding), but didn't Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed? Now, what? He's a big, brown-nosed lap hound. WOOF! WOOF! I hate to sound so suspicious (not really – just kidding), but didn’t Gates sound independentally-minded and nonsollicitous when first appointed? Now, what? He’s a big, brown-nosed lap hound. WOOF! WOOF!

]]> By: mark Carlo x in cognito http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591421 mark Carlo x in cognito Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:35:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591421 i'm trying the name change tactic i’m trying the name change tactic

]]> By: [B!] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591393 [B!] Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:31:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591393 So...what to do...what to do... Comment by TripMaster Monkey You attack Iran. So…what to do…what to do…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey

You attack Iran.

]]> By: dave http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591389 dave Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:30:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591389 I don't think he's doing it to look like he's not "in line" or anything like that. Honestly, it sounds like he's doing what he can to gain the trust of the men and women on the ground, who probably mean much more to him than various senators and media outlets. I don’t think he’s doing it to look like he’s not “in line” or anything like that. Honestly, it sounds like he’s doing what he can to gain the trust of the men and women on the ground, who probably mean much more to him than various senators and media outlets.

]]> By: Louis http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591388 Louis Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:30:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591388 Regarding Graham's question, "GRAHAM: Well, it’s his judgment about 21,500, does it make sense to you?" I observed him asking this question, and Graham was nodding his head affirmatively while he asked. It was as though he was desperate for Fallon to agree with him that it "makes sense." Regarding Graham’s question, “GRAHAM: Well, it’s his judgment about 21,500, does it make sense to you?” I observed him asking this question, and Graham was nodding his head affirmatively while he asked. It was as though he was desperate for Fallon to agree with him that it “makes sense.”

]]> By: [B!] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591363 [B!] Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:28:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591363 Count yourselves lucky…at least you get to post. Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 31, 2007 @ 11:17 am Trip-try altering you moniker,that might help. I think,though not certain,the filter attacks names,not content. Count yourselves lucky…at least you get to post.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 31, 2007 @ 11:17 am

Trip-try altering you moniker,that might help.
I think,though not certain,the filter attacks names,not content.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/comment-page-1/#comment-1591357 Jay Randal Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:27:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/31/fallon-escalation/#comment-1591357 TripMaster > I believe that TP is being hacked by some Pentagon cyber unit, or something, because this stuff seems to be out of control on the threads. TripMaster > I believe that TP is being hacked by some Pentagon cyber unit, or something, because this stuff seems to be out of control on the threads.

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