Iranians United With U.S. On Terrorism, Bin Laden, But Oppose Permanent Bases
Iranians United With U.S. On Terrorism, Bin Laden, But Oppose Permanent Bases
A recent poll released by WorldPublicOpinion.org reveals that Iranians are both “very concerned about the danger of terrorism, reject attacks against civilians overwhelmingly, and share strongly negative views of Osama bin Laden.” The findings suggest a basis for diplomacy with Iran.
But the results do sound one important note of caution for the Bush administration. If it pursues permanent bases in Iraq, Iranians understand that it will have a negative affect on stability in the region. The American public, on the other hand, appears to be willing to accept permanent bases:
Recommendation 22 of the Iraq Study Group said: “The President should state that the United States does not seek permanent military bases in Iraq.” So far, Bush has refused to do so.
Last year, congressional conservatives quietly stripped a provision from a funding bill that would have prohibited permanent bases in Iraq. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) pushed a provision through the House — which was accepted unanimously — that put Congress on record as saying the U.S. would not be in Iraq forever. Lee recently pledged to continue pushing for the resolution until it is passed by Congress.
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January 31st, 2007 at 2:59 pm737 US military bases around the world. How many do we need
January 31st, 2007 at 3:05 pm(Begin Parody Sketch)
Overheard at the Oval Orifice:
SHRUB:
I’m the Decision Maker. I know we have lot in common, but I have decided to nuke’em
DICK “DARTH” CHENEY:
Good. We at Haliburton don’t talk to evil
And thus began the nuclear Armageddon
(End Paradoy Sketch)
January 31st, 2007 at 3:08 pmThe escalation of US military planning on Iran is only the latest chess move in a six-year push within the Bush Administration to attack Iran
January 31st, 2007 at 3:10 pm#2 Klyde
As long as Haliburton can build and supply them, we want them. :-)
January 31st, 2007 at 3:16 pmIraq Study Group said: “The President should state that the United States does not seek permanent military bases in Iraq.†So far, Bush has refused to do so.
Of course he won’t. Additional military bases in the region is one of the major reasons we’re there and will continue to stay there for the foreseeable future.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:23 pmSo Iranians are against countries placing permanent military bases in other countries after invading them. And the US is for it. So please refresh my memory…who is the bad guy?
January 31st, 2007 at 3:27 pmBush wants Armageddon.
Looks like he might get it…
January 31st, 2007 at 3:28 pmSo the war profiteers need to have permanent bases so they can milk the US people for all we have for years to come? It’s not like we’ll be some stabilizing presence over there.
BTW, George Bush and Dick Cheney are the bad guys.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pmDiplomacy?
That word was never used in My Pet Goat, so Bush doesn’t know it.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm/rant warning **
Of course Bush wants permanent bases in Iraq, that was one of the tennants of the “project for a New American Century” whose plan they have been following to a T.
What really bothers me is that TP as well as the MSM have ignored this smoking gun ( the web site is still there for the world to see ), along with practically ignoring the laws passed by the rubber stamp republicans that have gutted Habeous Corpus and Posse Comatatus.
The Democrats that just got elected seem to be ignoring these as well.
I want to know why TP has been ignoring these things, personally.
/end rant
January 31st, 2007 at 3:36 pmSo please refresh my memory…who is the bad guy?
Comment by dlet — January 31, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
I’m learning that hypocrites, like all other nefarious forms of vampires and blood drinkers, do not have reflections in mirrors so that they cannot see themselves…
January 31st, 2007 at 3:38 pmI want to know why TP has been ignoring these things, personally.
Comment by Wayne — January 31, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Those threads were eaten by the same stealth CIA/FBI spyware that eats our posts :D
January 31st, 2007 at 3:41 pmIran is becoming very Americanized in their culture. The government is nuts, but then again, so is ours.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:44 pmIf you post here, you are helping Hillary Clinton enormously in her bid for President in 2008.
This is after all people, her think tank. Think about it. Sure she didn`t have anything to do with the Obama smear. Sure she didn`t. Our country needs you in her darkest hour and where are you?
Entering entries into Hiollary Clinton`s blog day and night. In essence, helping her get elected whether you know it or not or even like it or not.
google- center for american progress clinton personal thinktank
Don`t take my word for it. See it for yourself. I can only wonder how many are thinking to themselves as pertains to thinkprogress,
†Boy, did I ever get screwed at thinkprogress, I actually was part of the band of villians that ousted Osama, I mean Obama.â€
Ooops. You get the message. You know what I mean I mean to say.
Chicago Tribune blames bloggers for Obama smears.
Should Read:
American Public Blames ThinkProgress Bloggers for Obama Smear.
You after all fellow posters, are more responsible than anyone for Osama being tarred and feathered.
Just posting on the oppositions thinktank ( Hillary Clintons ) blog, is enough to try and convict you in the blogosphere.
How does it feel fellow posters, knowing you had a personal hand in Barack Obnamas demise?
Are you proud of yourselves now? The Republicans are very proud and grateful for you and for getting Obama out of the way so they can have full and unfettered access to Hillary.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:53 pmComment by BeerNuts — January 31, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
You don’t have to post the same message in EVERY thread. Pick one.
January 31st, 2007 at 4:03 pmBeernuts
Prove your outragious claims.
January 31st, 2007 at 4:16 pmPlease provide links.
Beer Nuts:
Who cares?
January 31st, 2007 at 4:17 pmnothing new here;
January 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pmmost citizenry are against the arms race, militarization of civil society, are against terrorism (read-sponsored violence targeting or oblivious to civilian casualties).
Wealth and power are in the hands of a few, not just in the U.S. but everywhere. And with America’s totalitarian leanings consolidation of power and resources is rapidly increasing.
It is not about lib vs cons.; rep vs dem; U.S. vs Iraq, Iran, etc;
If we put it in good/evil format I would divy it up like this:
It is we, the people, the masses (meaning citizens of every nation), subverted by they the few, the elite – the world over.
Bush wants war on Iran no matter what they do or do not do!
January 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pmDid the Saudis say that George can leave Iraq? Simon sez…
January 31st, 2007 at 4:35 pmIf you are still touting the recommendations of the Iraq study group, it is interesting that Baker (and I believe Hamilton) were recommending yesterday that Congress give the surge a chance to work. Everybody here on board with that recommendation?
January 31st, 2007 at 4:38 pm40% somewhat positive!!!! What the hell!!!
Why would 120 million people think that having 14 military permanent bases is somewhat positive on stability? Would they find somewhat positive that Iranians put permanent bases in Mexico? If those 120 million think that OBL and 20 guys with nailcutters did 9/11 becuz Al-Qaeda didnt like having the Mecca and Medina occupied by permanent military US bases, why would they think that this is somewhat positive? My goshh.
January 31st, 2007 at 4:39 pmI think we should start referring to the serial posters, like Beernuts, as “Polly”, as in parrot. I’m sure we can find much humor with this as a starting point.
January 31st, 2007 at 4:44 pmWhy would 120 million people think that having 14 military permanent bases is somewhat positive on stability?
Comment by Juan C — January 31, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Perhaps this will help explain. Those same 120 million people think that a red-skinned, pitchfork-toting, horned Devil is not only real, but influences Middle Eastern people to want to harm them and their families…. (semi-quoting a relative).
January 31st, 2007 at 4:56 pmBeer Nuts may have point!!
I checked the website for “Center for American Progress” This is the outfit that owns TP.
10 out of the 64 “Experts” listed have direct links to the Clinton Administration and/or Hillary. Chief among them is John Podesta former Clinton Chief of Staff and now President of Center for American Progress.
6 of the experts are African American. With exception of few, most are liberal or progressive (however you want to label them)
Since I will be voting for Obama in 2008, I think I am going to monitor the subject matters on TP more than I am going to post.
January 31st, 2007 at 5:02 pmHold on a second!
January 31st, 2007 at 5:07 pmCouldn’t you make the graph any more difficult to read?
does anyone around here actually support hillary clinton?
from what I’ve seen most around here are not likely to vote for any of the “major” candidates.
vote green (or at least register green so it has more bargaining power come election time)
January 31st, 2007 at 5:16 pmdoes anyone around here actually support hillary clinton?
I am not supporting anyone who voted for the Iraq war.
Hillary also acted just like LIEberman untill she saw the tide of the last election. Only after then did she start speaking out against the war. Her current stance to me is just one of political convenience and rings false. I have had enough of false politicians.
January 31st, 2007 at 5:23 pmI have had enough of false politicians.
Comment by Wayne — January 31, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Agreed. Why I would love to see a Gore/Obama ticket… Or, if Al really isn’t going to run, Obama/Pelosi.
With the Obama/Osama drama out of the way, by 2008, it will be cliche and as effective as KKKarl Rove yelling “Boo!”
January 31st, 2007 at 5:36 pmWayne,
Here are those who voted against the Iraq Occupation:
Senate
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
House
January 31st, 2007 at 5:40 pmAbercrombie
Allen
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barrett
Becerra
Blumenauer
Bonior
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank
Gonzalez
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Houghton
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Morella
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Woolsey
Wu
#19 mark Carlo x in cognito
This is the universal constant. Everywhere in the world, the vast majority of people want the same thing, which is to live a productive and peaceful life. Everywhere in the world, the vast majority of people fall prey to the scheming greed and powerlust of fasle leaders. There has been a long succession of these leaders throughout history. Dumbya is the latest, and he still hasn’t beaten people like Stalin and Hitler. Even Pinochet still has an edge on him. But George will never accept a lesser legacy, he’s working hard to get there.
January 31st, 2007 at 5:54 pmunbelievable
Nice list. I’m pleased that my new Senator (Brown) and my new Governor (Strickland) are on that list. Good progress from Ohio, which helped give W his last win. Maybe we’re going to get a little blue around the gills here.
I am not going to rule out voting for President a candidate who might have initially voted to authorize force against Iraq. After all, it was the cooked up intelligence from BushCo that was the basis for the vote. However, I want to hear some real bark about what is happening now and for the candidate to put some teeth into it. Finally, it sure looks to me like the “worst” Democrat with a hat in the ring would be better than the “best” Republican candidate.
January 31st, 2007 at 5:58 pmFinally, it sure looks to me like the “worst†Democrat with a hat in the ring would be better than the “best†Republican candidate.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — January 31, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Agreed. I’m not a Hillary fan, but better her than any of the Repugs who are running.
January 31st, 2007 at 6:07 pmPNAC, Neocons, and people like Lieberman are racists and it manifests itself in Mideast bases.
January 31st, 2007 at 6:46 pmJimmy Carter is right.
HOW can Bush say that there will be no permanent US bases in IRaq when THAT was the real POINT of the invasion????????????????????
January 31st, 2007 at 7:08 pmI hate shades of gray charts. Isn’t the Internet in color yet?
January 31st, 2007 at 7:43 pmAgreed. I’m not a Hillary fan, but better her than any of the Repugs who are running.
Comment by unbelievable
True, but she is NOT getting my vote in the Democratic primaries.
January 31st, 2007 at 8:03 pmOnly if it comes to her vs a repuke at the end.
I would vote for Donald Duck before I voted for another repuke ever again.
re#33 PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
So what if the intelligence said Iraq had nuclear/biological/chemical weapons, why is that a reason to launch an unprovoked attack on them?
If some country’s intelligence says we have nuclear/biological/chemical weapons, then do you believe that it is alright for that country to launch an unprovoked attack on us?
January 31st, 2007 at 10:01 pmWell no point joining this discussion – no one’s on topic.
“Well, the Iranian public is very pro-American, and it’s one of the few publics in the Middle East, I think, that would reform, if it could, in a way that was friendly to U.S. interests. If the United States goes into a frontal confrontation with Iran, however, it will push the Iranian public away. The Iranians are very nationalistic and they don’t want to be dominated by the U.S.” – Juan Cole
January 31st, 2007 at 10:13 pm“Recommendation 22 of the Iraq Study Group said: “The President should state that the United States does not seek permanent military bases in Iraq.†So far, Bush has refused to do so.” — ThinkProgress
Actual Elected President in 2004:
“And I think a critical component of success in Iraq is being able to convince the Iraqis and the Arab world that the United States doesn’t have long-term designs on it.
“As I understand it, we’re building some 14 military bases there now, and some people say they’ve got a rather permanent concept to them.
When you guard the oil ministry, but you don’t guard the nuclear facilities, the message to a lot of people is maybe, “Wow, maybe they’re interested in our oil.”
“Now, the problem is that they didn’t think these things through properly. And these are the things you have to think through.
“What I want to do is change the dynamics on the ground. And you have to do that by beginning to not back off of the Fallujahs and other places, and send the wrong message to the terrorists. You have to close the borders.
“You’ve got to show you’re serious in that regard. But you’ve also got to show that you are prepared to bring the rest of the world in and share the stakes.
“I will make a flat statement: The United States of America has no long-term designs on staying in Iraq.”
– Senator John Kerry, in front of 60 million Americans–
all of whom Bush lied to (and, colluding in perjury, induced others to lie to).
February 1st, 2007 at 3:26 am“Any man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still a communist at the age of thirty is an even bigger fool.”
February 11th, 2007 at 7:22 amGeorge Bernard Shaw