BREAKING: Iraq Escalation Could Be Twice As Large As Bush Claimed
BREAKING: Iraq Escalation Could Be Twice As Large As Bush Claimed
A study released today by the Congressional Budget Office shows that the real troop increase associated with President Bush’s escalation policy could be as high as 48,000, more than double the 21,500 soldiers that Bush has claimed.
As DefenseTech notes, extra forces are expected because the combat units being sent into Iraq “need to be backed up by support troops, ‘including personnel to staff headquarters, serve as military police, and provide communications, contracting, engineering, intelligence, medical, and other services.’” The CBO’s low estimate envisions at least 15,000 additional support personnel. The alternative scenario “would require about 28,000 support troops in addition to the 20,000 combat troops.”
Additionally, the cost of the escalation could be as much as five times higher than White House estimates:
According to the study, the costs for the “surge” would also be dramatically different than the President has said. The White House estimated a troop escalation would require about $5.6 billion in additional funding, the CBO now believes “that costs would range from $9 billion to $13 billion for a four-month deployment and from $20 billion to $27 billion for a 12-month deployment, depending upon the total number of troops deployed.”
Read the full CBO report HERE.
UPDATE: A release from Rep. John Spratt’s (D-SC) office notes that the CBO report also predicts addition burdens on U.S. forces:
An average of 170,000 military personnel has been maintained in the Iraq theater of operations, and this high deployment level has taken a toll. Last year, CBO reported that the Department of Defense had reduced the amount of ‘dwell’ time for many troops from two years to one year in order to sustain troop levels. ‘Dwell’ time is the time troops spend in training at bases in the United States while living with their families. CBO questioned whether such a high pace of operations was sustainable over the long term. The President’s proposal will increase this level to above 200,000 troops, and to reach this level, the Pentagon will probably have to relax ‘dwell’ time standards even more.
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No! The President couldn’t have lied to us!
February 1st, 2007 at 1:54 pmGo Team Terror!
February 1st, 2007 at 1:55 pmJust saw this on Buzzflash. Leave to Chimpy to lie about everything.
What I’d like to know is: where the hell does he expect to get this many troops? The Joint Chiefs of Staff have gone on record as saying that there are only 9,000 or so available, tops. Where’s Chimpy going to get the rest? Does the Pentagon have a secret cloning lab? Or perhaps these troops are only as real as the fictional troops Hitler ordered to protect Berlin during the last days of the Third Reich. Or maybe…our government will try expanding its military some other way…
Close the door…I feel a draft.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:00 pmtroll alert, if you’re going to spew your ridiculous garbage, at least have the courtesy to rewrite it every time. Your cutting-and-pasting of the same weak propaganda is getting old.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmtroll alert is rachel. His poster name was hijacked, IMO.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:04 pmOh, come on!
February 1st, 2007 at 2:04 pmYou didn’t expect the chymp to actually tell us the truth! Did You?
Geez.
troll alert=escaped mental patient
sarcasm/OFF
February 1st, 2007 at 2:07 pmThe Democrat party should go march!
February 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmIraq commander Casey: Only half of troop ’surge’ needed
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2841735
TP, you just got owned.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:10 pmRUcerious sez:
Of course not, but even now, after six years of the black comedy that is the Chimpy Administration, I’m still surprised and shocked by the seemingly bottomless depth of his duplicitness.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:10 pmBREAKING: Iraq Escalation Could Be Twice As Large As Bush Claimed
OMG! you mean the (p)Resident lied to us again? ( and again and again, and again…. )
I’m shocked I tell ya, totally shocked ( not really )
February 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmthis is gonna do wonders for bush’s credibility.
and troll alert is right. you’re ignoring the great things happening in iraq and choosing to focus on the dozens of corpses [with signs of torture] that magically appear in the streets of the country’s capital on a regular basis.
don’t ignore great accomplishments like the olympic-size pool [not for the iraqis] that was built in the middle of a desert. that’s an especially great accomplishment considering the shortage of safe, clean drinking water.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:15 pmGuess the rest of the troop buildup is heading to Iran, good thing they will greet us as liberators.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pmstupid richrepub needs to get it right. IT’S THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, YOU IDJIT!!
February 1st, 2007 at 2:18 pmI’d wondered what Rummy was doing after getting the boot, now I think I know. Seems he’s posting here as ‘troll alert’
February 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pmIf you put enough young men and women in a war zone bordering Iran, eventually one of them will be killed by an Iranian national.
Bingo, we’ve got a winner.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pmSpeaking of the cost of this war, anybody check out the Veterans Administration budget projections lately?
February 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pmBreaking NEWS - “Iraq Escalation Could Be Twice As Large As Bush Claimed
A study released today by the Congressional Budget Office shows that the real troop increase associated with President Bush’s escalation policy could be as high as 48,000, more than double the 21,500 soldiers that Bush has claimed…… Additionally, the cost of the escalation could be as much as five times higher than White House estimates:”
Taking a last chance to actually win this thing obviously rankles progressives. And please quit whining about “the cost. Go back and check what Medicare was projected to cost, what it actually costs, and you might have a toe to stand on.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmComment by freebird9 ;
Hey, sorry, I didn’t know it was Democratic Party, I keep hearing it called the ‘Democrat Party’. So my spelling is correct, but you don’t know how to spell idiot.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmIraq commander Casey: Only half of troop ’surge’ needed …..TP, you just got owned.
Comment by Hillary’s Muff
Iraq Commander Casey? Are you talking about the FORMER Iraq commander who just fired by Bush in favor of Lt. Gen. David Petraeus? I mean, evidently the Decider in Chief thinks Casey is full of shit. I’m sure Bush knows better than his generals on battle plans and fighting a war and Petraeus (a fine and able man) is happy to pick up a 4th star.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:29 pmNow is the time to call:
These are the people to contact that are at the front - leading the resolutions against the war. We need action, not symbolism. I just called. They are counting the number of calls for cutting off funding.
Senator Russ Feingold:
Washington, DC _ (202) 224-5323
Speaker Pelosi:
Washington, D.C. - (202) 225-4965
Senator Carl Levin:
Washington, DC
Phone (202) 224-6221
Senator John Warner:
February 1st, 2007 at 2:29 pm(202) 224-2023
troll alert ……..ah…no. YOU have to understand something. This war will end and soon, because it is wrong and the American people want it over.
Understand it.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:32 pmGB: Uh…
GB: It’s still 21,500 troops…The support troops were not included because I assumed that everyone in Congress knew that it would take those additional soldiers to make it work…
GB: It’s all apart of my plan…
GB: Now get Dick on Fox so we can explain it!
Congress: It’s Outrageous, He Lied, We will not accept it!
Congress: We will intorduce another non-binding resolution to voice our displeasure…
GB: Get the planes ready…
Iraq: “Damn, THIS IDIOT is trying to get us all killed”
Soldiers: We NEVER said he was smart!
February 1st, 2007 at 2:37 pmIt’s matter of using a pejorative, “RichRepug”….see, like that. Now scurry off; I’m sure FOX has got some interesting, yet dilusional, talking points to sell you on…what flavor is that kool-aid these days anyway?
February 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pmImpeach the liar.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:49 pmI KEEP SAYING IT. THE TIME IS NOW.
If everyone here, accept the few immoral and delusional trolls, is as angry as they truly sound……please call the numbers a few posts up. Thank you. It’s past time for blasts on the blogs….it’s time to call and call a lot. And demonstrations.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:54 pmI want to hear from Bush’s defenders about why it is okay for him to lie about EVERYTHING. C’mon, cowards, let’s hear your spirited defense of the Liar-in-Chief.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:54 pmthey’ll probably have to take him out of the white house kicking and screaming in handcuffs
http://www.micropoll.com/ akira/ MicroPoll?mode=html&id=23186
February 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pmI’d wondered what Rummy was doing after getting the boot, now I think I know. Seems he’s posting here as ‘troll alert’
Comment by Quadrajet — February 1, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
LOL!
troll alert is as much of a military person in Iraq as my cat… Considering the horror stories from the troops themselves, there’s no way this person is there in an enlisted capacity. None.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:56 pmHey, sorry, I didn’t know it was Democratic Party, I keep hearing it called the ‘Democrat Party’.
Comment by RichRepub — February 1, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
That’s because the talking heads you worship are idiots.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:59 pmI cannot get rid of the nagging feeling that so much of this is a diversion - either by the admin and/or the msm - as they make bigger plans.
“S” - those of us who truly understand, and are trying… but are we even having an impact at all? It gets so very discouraging, day in and day out, as we seem to have no voice whatsoever - WE THE PEOPLE, seem to have such little say with our government. What’s it going to take for them to start listening to the will of the people?
February 1st, 2007 at 3:00 pmComment by troll alert — February 1, 2007 @ 1:58 pm…you are blowing this war way out of proportion and taking only pretexts of conversations as well as selected film clips and are using them and doctoring them to suit your purpose…
Blowing a war out of proportion? Any “proportion” of war is bad. Even the smallest. Selected film clips? Doctoring them to suit your purpose? You’re talking about Bush, Cheney and the entire Republican party now.
When you civilians come to visit us, we look at you like you are from outer space or something. You have been brainwashed…You leeches…
Way to get people to come to your side and understand where you’re coming from. Sorry to say, dear, it is you who have been brainwashed. Leeches? There you go talking about Bush, Cheney and the entire Republican party again.
Because to you civilians, that`s all a war is as far as you know. -Just like a video game- most keyboard commandos around here assume I expect.
I suspect the “keyboard commando” is you and that in truth you are not in the military. Just like Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Republicans. We “civilians” hate this war and what it’s doing to our country.
Their have been great accomplishments come to pass in Iraq.
You only dwell on the negative.
Really? What are they? Do tell.
There is a war on you know?
With live bullets?
People die.
Relax.
Talk about yellow journalism.
Again, we already know the Fox Noise Channel is nothing more than yellow journalism, but thank you for your clarification. As far as you telling us about the war you’re apparently so proud of, with its live bullets, and dead people, and your suggestion that we “relax,” well relaxation is not something we can do right now is it? Unless, of course, you’re George W. Bush who seems to have done nothing but relax and take vacations since he stole the presidency, twice. So why don’t you relax your fingers and keep them off the keyboard and away from this progressive website. You have no business being here.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:03 pm…. to the surprise of: (crickets chirping, tumbleweeds rolling…)
February 1st, 2007 at 3:04 pmTaking a last chance to actually win this thing obviously rankles progressives. And please quit whining about “the cost. Go back and check what Medicare was projected to cost, what it actually costs, and you might have a toe to stand on.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh please, we spent billions on reconstruction;
The U.S reconstruction push in Iraq is winding down. About $18 billion in funding that Congress approved three years ago was supposed to be spent or committed to specific projects by the end of September
And this;
Violent intimidation also stopped another project — a state-of-the-art children’s hospital in which first lady Laura Bush had taken a personal interest.
The project, in Basra, was supposed to cost $50 million. The U.S. Agency for International Development assigned Bechtel the job in August 2004, with a completion date of Dec. 31, 2005. But Bechtel later warned its government supervisors that the hospital would take far more money and time to complete. The project was suspended this summer. Bechtel says the hospital now would cost $98 million
February 1st, 2007 at 3:04 pmWhat’s it going to take for them to start listening to the will of the people?
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
A Revolution…
Problem is, we can’t get enough people to unglue themselves from Desperation Television to get a valid angry mob together.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:04 pmYou have no business being here.
Comment by Earthling — February 1, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Well said!
February 1st, 2007 at 3:06 pmI wonder how much they are paying the sellout Stryker.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:07 pmRichrepub isn’t rich at all LOL
February 1st, 2007 at 3:08 pmYou know I was jsut assuming that they were going to be using the same logistics that the current people are using. Perhaps I am wrong. If I am worng then this will definately put more of a strain on our NG and reserve units because many activy duty units are fleshed out logistically by reserves and NG.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:09 pmYeh I feel so much better when a teenage freeper, who hasn’t or will not sign up, uses a moniker like Sgt. Stryker, runs around screaming, hysterically, REALAX PEOPLE DIE!!
I can only think what a patriot that person is. NOT.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:15 pmMy previous comment does not mean to imply in any way, btw, that our own government is not negligent as well their unwillingness to see and act is deplorable. I assumed as I wrote that that was a foregone conclusion, for the non-Kool-Aid drinking crowd, until I re-read my post.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:17 pmI bet Sgt Stryker, man child, will be trying out for it’s alltime patriotic show Idle American.
And I hear it will be a Barry Manilow song or maybe Tiny Tim ‘Tiptoe thru the tulips’ kinda act.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:18 pmHoly Kow,
you forgot Retardicans, my apologies to the developementally disabled.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:19 pmUB, I was going to add ’see ya later’ but according to TP I already am, hehehehe
February 1st, 2007 at 3:20 pmKat…..one of the things the enemy plays upon is our feeling of isolation. In fact, in reality, there are more of “us” than them. How can we be heard? Know that our strength is in our numbers…even if we can’t sense those numbers. Don’t hold back…..I put the phone numbers to call on DailyKos and in about 2 minutes 5 people had marked it as a must read….meaning that 5 people probably called because the numbers were handy.
Don’t EVER let the other side convince you that you are impotent…………we are not. The Bush regime is going down. We need to push hard now to avert this Iran tragedy. At least a lot more people see what’s going down this time. Call. And past those numbers EVERYWHERE. We’re going to prevail. No doubt about it.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:23 pm#2 - that’s disgusting. Liberals are the real terrorists - your ideology will have us all killed. But hey, at least we won’t waterboard terrorists.
There is nothing you can do about the troop surge so just deal with it. The Democrats have rolled over and played dead yet again. Alot of huffing and puffing, but in the end Democrats show themselves as the true cowards they are. If they wanted to end the war, they’d cut funding. AND they won’t.
Bush’s Imperial Presidency is alive and well. Thank you Nancy and Harry.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:24 pmHoly Kow,
you forgot Retardicans, my apologies to the developementally disabled.
Comment by Krazny
Actually I didn’t. =) Read again.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:24 pmI see TP is time traveling again.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Liberals Heart Terrorists
Your next Imperial President will be a Democrat, lol.
BTW It was the Bush admin that wanted to FREE the terrorists, remember?
February 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pmDemocrats show themselves as the true cowards they are. If they wanted to end the war, they’d cut funding
Kinda shot yourself in the foot their dint ya GOP Hearts Terrorists?
How can they be cowards if they didn’t cut the funding? BTW isnt funding the troops, according to you, supporting the troops?
BTW if you noticed Pelosi’s latest budget the GOP was in lockstep. LOL
February 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pmCan Bush speak without lying? I think it’s part of who he is. He has never owned up to anything, he blames everyone else, he lies when he is found out. This is Eddie Haskell, grown up.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:33 pm#51 In reality, I know this, I really do… it just gets so disheartening some days, listening to what is going on, and you want to pick up these people (fill in the blank for your fav warmongerer idiot) and shake ‘em till their teeth rattle in their heads, and yell WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!
They are so complacent, so sure in their drivel, and it aggravates the crap out of me.
THANKS for the numbers to call also…
Peace.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:34 pmncreasing “the ranks of our military” is “one of the first steps we can take together” to “position America to meet every challenge that confronts us,” said President Bush in last week’s State of the Union address. “Tonight I ask the Congress to authorize an increase in the size of our active Army and Marine Corps by 92,000 in the next five years.”
Hey GOP Hearts Terrorists Uncle Bush wants YOU!!
February 1st, 2007 at 3:35 pmUB, I was going to add ’see ya later’ but according to TP I already am, hehehehe
Comment by Quadrajet — February 1, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
That’s funny… :D
February 1st, 2007 at 3:36 pmThe numbers keep flipping here - my comment was directed to “S”, who is not # 51 anymore
THANKS “S”
February 1st, 2007 at 3:38 pmThis is off topic but if you want a ray of hope:
http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2007/ 2/ 1/ 151831/ 4719
February 1st, 2007 at 3:39 pmIt’s “People die, relax†comment was classic rummy.
Comment by Quadrajet — February 1, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
And they do share an equal amount of paranoia over things that will probably never occur, while shrugging off real time tragedies… Hmmm… I think you’re on to something. Or, you will be later tonight… :D
February 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmWhile our soldiers (and many, many others) are dying due to the neglience of the American people, in facing the realities and TRUTH of this war.
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Ostriches with their heads in the sand… What they can’t see, can’t possibly exist. Sad.
I remember watching the news growing up. In middle school, I used to watch 20/20 and 60 Minutes with my parents. Today, none of my students watch the news (though they’ve developed a strange fascination with necrophelia this week…). And if I suggest they read something, they act as if I’ve just recommended they set their own head on fire… I worry about our future.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:45 pmThe troop “surge” is not about Iraq, it’s about IRAN. We are staging our invasion. When are people going to start talking about what’s REALLY going on here?
February 1st, 2007 at 3:50 pmUnbelievable -
Very few kids read anymore - I am a lucky Mom, mine read, watch the news with me (although that has gone downhill a bit lately as when MSM gives us their talking points of the day, I have to shut ioff the tv). But we do this together, as a family, discuss it… and because of this, they sure know a lot more about what is going on in the world than their peers. I wonder and worry, too.
My 12 year old was the only one recently who thought Apollo 13 - the movie - was interesting, when the school showed it. All others pronounced it “boring”.
Sad, very sad.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pmMy 12 year old was the only one recently who thought Apollo 13 - the movie - was interesting, when the school showed it. All others pronounced it “boringâ€.
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
I have a few students who are curious and like to learn about new things, but they, like your child, are the exception. In order to keep them interested in Architectural styles, I had to relate Roman to all their phallic symbolism, Medieval to torture devices, and so on… Unless it’s bloody, sexy or perverted, they don’t seem too interested.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:59 pmScott Ritter: How to Stop this War
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070205/ritter
February 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmLiberals heart Terrorists…
are you serious in regards to…Bush’s Imperial Presidency is alive and well?
February 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmThere is nothing to stop Bush from sending a 100,000 more troops to Iraq. Many in the Congress are too cowardly to prevent Iraq escalation!
February 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe building bipartisan opposition to the President’s proposed troop surge in Iraq and the crickets-chirping reception to Bush’s abysmal State of the Union address have led to another dramatic shake-up in the list of Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
1. “Embolden the Enemy”
2. “Surge”
3. “San Francisco Values”
4. “Mixed Messages”
5. “Pamper the Terrorists”
6. “New Way Forward”
7. “Culture of Life”
8. “Terrorist Surveillance Program”
9. “Cut and Run”
10. “Criminization of Politics”
For the full details, see:
February 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmThe Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
Unbelievable -
Hats off to you… I hear about what goes on in school, how the kids won’t do the work, won’t pay attention, won’t get involved. If you are able to come up with ways to interest them, I have to give you a lot of credit. So many are failing, 13 out of 22 in my daugther’s social studies (6th grade) class, for example, and no one seems to care except the teachers. Where are the parents, is my question. And why are these kids so disconnected from learning? It is unreal!
February 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmTHE TRUTH ABOUT IRAQ
The human community must wake up. The sufferings of the Iraqi people are tragic and criminal. Whole cities are under siege: Fallujah, Sammara, Kirkuk, Haditha, Hit, Ramadi. Latifiyah, Tarmiyah, Baaquba, Moqdadiyah, Buhruz, Madaen, Abualkhasib, Al-Zubeir, Fahamma, Tel Afar, Husaiba …
The attacks aim to stop the spreading resistance to occupation. Now the resistance is everywhere: in the north, middle and the south. It encompasses all the Iraqi populations: Arabs, Shias, Sunnis, Turkomen, seculars, Kurds, Assyrians and other Christians, and Sabbits and Yaziids.
The occupation has no future in Iraq. Though defeated, the occupation refuses to accept its defeat until it has tried all. It seems the US administration thinks a civil war will save its reputation and plans.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:27 pmCan we call it escalation now please?
February 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pmUnfortunately it seems Cheney is a decade ahead of Congress. Here comes WWIII a clash of civilizations, Christians V. Muslims. Congress still doesn’t realize the Patriot Act was Hilter’s Enabling Act that turned democratic Germany into a dictatorship.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:56 pmOne thing that always energizes the Bush cultists is more proof that the cult leader has lied yet again. You can always count on the cultist to respond to new facts with more hateful cultlike nonsense, ie liberals are (pick a few) diabolical, disgusting, like terrorists, want us to lose, hate America). What does it take to get a cultist to understand that his cult leader is lying to him? Lots and lots of deprogramming at the very least. That’s not going to happen. They’re stuck. And, one of these days, the cognitive dissonance is going to make their heads explode.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:01 pmKat - you don’t deserve to live in this great county. You should be forced to live in the regimes you seem to long for.
I am saddened by the left’s desire to see failure in Iraq. You really do hate America when a Republican is in office. It’s disgusting.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:01 pmunbelievable=Holy Kow
Holy Kow=unbelievable
Just look at this very thread if you don`t believe me.
Notice how unbelievable has talke to virtually EVERYONE…
but herself…..Holy Kow.
But as crazy as she is that is probably coming up next.
Stay tuned.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:01 pmunbelievable=Holy Kow
Holy Kow=unbelievable
Just look at this very thread if you don`t believe me.
Notice how unbelievable has talked to virtually EVERYONE…
but herself…..Holy Kow.
But as crazy as she is that is probably coming up next.
Stay tuned.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:04 pmThe Bush cultist announces: “You should be forced to live in the regimes you seem to long for.”
Bush cultist, since you are enamored to the idea of an all-powerful elite with no checks and balances, I suggest that it is you who longs for a different regime. May I suggest Saudi Arabia.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:08 pmHats off to you… I hear about what goes on in school, how the kids won’t do the work, won’t pay attention, won’t get involved. If you are able to come up with ways to interest them, I have to give you a lot of credit.
Thanks… I’m trying. I left Corporate America to try to do something. Some battles I win, and some I don’t. But I just hope I’ve planted some seeds. It’s been difficult because, as you mentioned, parents don’t seem to be raising their children. Instead, the kids are the ones who are running the show at home.
So many are failing, 13 out of 22 in my daugther’s social studies (6th grade) class, for example, and no one seems to care except the teachers.
That’s terrible! And to make it worse - teachers are being forced to teach from an outdated curriculum that is utterly irrelevent to the students. No wonder the kids are tuning it out.
Where are the parents, is my question. And why are these kids so disconnected from learning? It is unreal!
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
I agree and would like to know myself. I rarely call parents. They don’t do anything. I just try to work it out with the students. That actually seems to be working better than for the teachers who call the parents. Especially when the kids are ruling the roost…
February 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmunbelievable=Holy Kow
Holy Kow=unbelievable
Comment by unbelievable=Holy Kow — February 1, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Will you get a life and stop accusing me of being other people that I am not?
How desperate are you?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:15 pmJust look at this very thread if you don`t believe me.
Notice how unbelievable has talked to virtually EVERYONE…
but herself…..Holy Kow.
Comment by unbelievable=Holy Kow — February 1, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Proof that you are wrong:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 01/ 31/ bush-economy/ #comments
Start at #110
February 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pmunbelievable, the best thing one can do when dealing with an obsessed crazy person is ignore them. Some crazy person evidently has a big hair up his ass about you. That’s their problem.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pmBluedog and Unbelievable -
I do not think these people even realize that their comments do, in fact, reinforce comments such as bluedog’s about cultists. They just want to wreak havoc and spew their idiocy wherever they may. I try to ignore it. But it never fails to give me a chuckle, it is amazing what some people think these days. The kool-aid is strong in this one, I think!
February 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pmKat, I am not kidding in any way when I refer to them as “cultists.” The remaining defenders of Bush display classic characteristics of the cult member. Among characteristics are a strong belief that the leader is infallible or close to infallible, a desire to filter out any information or facts which tend to counter the first view, an emotional disregard for anyone questioning the cult or the leader, and the tendency to view people not in the cult as somehow less than human. The cultist also tends to worship authority and has low self-esteem.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:39 pmBluedog, I apologize if in any way my previous comment inferred I did not believe you or was trying to make light of your analysis of cult tendencies and characterististics. Frankly I am completely with you on this one. I am just constantly astounded by what some of these people say, no matter how much I have read from them. It’s actually very alarming!
February 1st, 2007 at 5:43 pmAnyone on this site ever been to Iraq??? Anyone get their headlines from somewhere other than CNN? Can anyone tell me why you cannot support the war in Iraq and not the president?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:48 pmThe Bush cultist asks: “Can anyone tell me why you cannot support the war in Iraq and not the president?”
A sane person responds:
The war was based on lies.
The war does not enhance our national security.
The war does not make the world safer.
The war actually makes things worse in the Middle East.
The war is an opportunity for war profiteers.
There is no clear achievable goal with the war.
The war is fighting the wrong enemy.
The people are overwhelmingly against the war.
The troops don’t understand the mission.
The troops can’t tell friendlies from hostiles.
Listen, Bush cultist, I’m sure others can go on with this list, but it’s getting tiring for me because I know I’m directing this to a cultist and might as well be speaking to a concrete outhouse.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:54 pmMy post disappeared, again… and I have no idea why. What did I say wrong now? What I just said has to be the most innocous thing I have said all day or close to it.
The post that disappeared reiterated that I was not making light of your comment bluedog. I tend to agree with you. Sorry if it came off sounding any other way.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:56 pmBluedog49 : Since this is my first time ever posting here, I’m wondering what makes you the authority on my political tendencies? I know how little kids are usually afraid of things they don’t undertand… so the obvious question is “does your mom know you’re on her computer?”
February 1st, 2007 at 5:58 pmYou can call me whatever you wish… doesn’t change facts like I’ve been to Iraq, and I’d be suprised if you could find it on a globe.
phantasyman, you are assuming that I haven’t been to Iraq. I suggest you go to the site for Iraq and Afganistan Veterans of America (IAVA) and see how veterans feel about things like the war and who supports the troops. It might be illuminating for you.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:03 pmAnd, phantasyman, if I have mistakenly made you as a member of the Cult of Bush, sorry and good for you. I like it when Americans think for themselves and don’t rely on a cult leader to tell them what to think.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:05 pm“Does your mom know you’re on the computer?”
Man, that would be great news for me if she did. She died in 1984.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:07 pmPhantasyman - while you were in Iraq did you happen to find any WMD? If not, then you’ve discovered one of the reasons people don’t support the war or bush.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:07 pmThe Bush cultist asks: “Can anyone tell me why you cannot support the war in Iraq and not the president?â€
A sane person responds:
The war was based on lies.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:08 pmTold by your president (Clinton)… amongst others
The war does not enhance our national security.
Really??? Any more attacks since 9/11??
The war does not make the world safer.
“We are not the world’s police…” Ted Kennedy
The war actually makes things worse in the Middle East.
Displacing an evil dictatorship… the horror!!
The war is an opportunity for war profiteers.
They weren’t war profiteers when Clinton hired them, funny how that works
There is no clear achievable goal with the war.
It only takes 9 letters “A FREE IRAQ”
The war is fighting the wrong enemy.
Which enemy is the right one then oh mighty leader
The people are overwhelmingly against the war.
Which people, you mean the democrats? Duh, they have to be! They don’t have a choice
The troops don’t understand the mission.
I understand it just fine… thanks for speaking for me
The troops can’t tell friendlies from hostiles.
Wasn’t very hard…
Listen, Bush cultist, I’m sure others can go on with this list, but it’s getting tiring for me because I know I’m directing this to a cultist and might as well be speaking to a concrete outhouse.
#89 How mant machine guns, hand grenades, and other explosives does it take to constitute a WMD? When my best friend Brian got sent home in 3 pieces… I’d say that’s massive enough destruction, wouldn’t you?
February 1st, 2007 at 6:10 pmAnd b4 you guys go on some rant about how I’m a Bush supporter… I also supported Clinton. I just know facts when I see them. I see republicans supporting Repub presidents, and Dem’s supporting Dem. Presidents. Presidents do what’s best for their party, not the people. If you believe otherwise, you are fools.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:13 pmbluedog… Sorry about the mom coment… I thought you were attacking me for asking simple questions, so I responded accordingly…
February 1st, 2007 at 6:15 pmThank you phantasyman, for confirming my first impression about you. You are a Bush cultist. You have repeated the standard cult-approved dogma. You get bonus points mentioning Clinton and acting like he has anything to do with all of this. By the way, the first WTC attack happened 30 days into Clinton’s presidency and there were no more attacks on our soil for the next 8 years. So, by your own argument, Clinton was more successful at fighting terrorism than your cult leader. See, that’s what happens when you tie yourself to cult dogma. You tend to make other peoples arguments for them without realizing it.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe Bush cultist equivocates and hysterically backs himself into a corner: “hey you guys, I supported Clinton, you know.”
Riiiiggghhht!
February 1st, 2007 at 6:16 pmphantasyman, no offense taken on the MOM thing. Have you gone over to IAVA to see what your fellow vets think yet?
February 1st, 2007 at 6:18 pmBluedog… So you’re saying Clinton is completely innocent? Funny, you sounded a lot smarter in some of your other posts…
February 1st, 2007 at 6:20 pmphantasyman, your cult leader was specific about WMD’s and machine guns were not part of the list. Remember? It was nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, unmanned drones capable of hitting our east coast, etc. No hand granades and no machine guns were part of the pitch.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:20 pmPhantasyman, I’m sorry to hear about your friend, niether of you should have been there to begin with. I don’t believe the weapons of which you speak are the weapons we were told Iraq possessed and threatened our national security, were they? If they are, then we’ll have to go after a very large part of the planet.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:22 pmBluedog… I’ve been to sites that offer plenty of opinions on wars. I have my own opinions formulated on my experiences and usually keep them to myself. When they say that all the political bickering is hurting troop morale, they’re right. But it’s when they get home that it really hurts. Who wants to come home and hear that they killed people for nothing, or for the wrong reasons, or because someone lied? Or that their friends were killed for those same wrong reasons. I don’t like Bush, but I don’t hate him. He made a decision and stood by it. If you served in the military then you know what’s at stake when you don’t stand behind promises, keep your word, reiterate your decisions.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:26 pmPhantasyman: “So you’re saying Clinton is completely innocent?”
As far as this war in Iraq is concerned, yes. Clinton or Gore, for that matter, would have never invaded Iraq and you know it. The record shows that Clinton’s main obsession at the time he left office was al Qaeda and specifically Osama bin laden. Iraq has nothing to do with that.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:27 pmyou guys are right about what kind of weapons define WMD. But what you don’t seem to understand is that there are thousands of decent Iraqi people that thank us. That pray for us. That take us into their homes and “break bread” with us. that know that their children will be well served by what we do for them…
February 1st, 2007 at 6:28 pmAnd Clinton failed at getting Bin Ladin, just like the rest of the freedom loving world. I was only in highschool at the time, but didn’t Clinton send a few cruise missle into Baghdad… or am I confusing that with somewhere else?
February 1st, 2007 at 6:31 pmI’d love to stick around and see what is taking this thread so long to update and why those last few comments are over an hour into the future… but alas, duty calls. Bluedog, I think we have some knowledge and experiences that would be beneficial for both of us to share with one another. Quadrajet, I thank you for your sympathy… I hope I can catch up with you 2 some other time. Until then….
February 1st, 2007 at 6:43 pmphantasyman, I am glad that thousands of Iraqis liked us, but please. What is an Iraqi supposed to say to a heavily armed American soldier? But, let’s be honest. How will Kurdish and Sunni children be served by installing a Shiite theocratic republic?
And yes, Clinton fired cruise missles into Bagdad in an attempt to destroy what he was told was a remnant of their nuclear program. He also fired cruise missles into Afganistan in an attempt to kill bin Laden. But, he had absolutely nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. He was against it. No, I’m afraid your guy Bush has to take responsibility for this one. It was all his baby.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:44 pmOK, phantasyman, I apologize for calling you a “Bush Cultist.” You’ve been reasonable and polite, which is not the bush cultist MO. Thank you for your discussion and especially for your service.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:46 pmThis doesn’t mean that Bush lied to us, does it?
February 1st, 2007 at 6:48 pmPhantasyman, I’m sure that there are those in Iraq who do exactly as you say and are greatful, but again, that is not the reason we were given for our involvement there.
Who wants to come home and hear that they killed people for nothing, or for the wrong reasons, or because someone lied? Or that their friends were killed for those same wrong reasons.
No one does and I understand your anger - but I think you’re directing that anger at the wrong people.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:51 pm#105 - Correct me if I’m wrong Bluedog, but didn’t the republicans accused Clinton of ‘wagging the dog’ when he launched those attacks.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:58 pmSee the AEI PNAC plan was supposed to actually bring democracy to Iraq, Hearts Terrorists, Instead its a great big fiasco that has indebted you, and your children, (when and if you ever you grow up) for decades to come. Trillions.
But what happened was that this think tank experiment, brought to us by chickenhawk college trained idjuts, was a bad plan. Instead of freeing the oppressed Bush has now freed the very terrorists he meant to help.
Now, it’s a bigger quagmire than ever and I am reminded of that commercial where they are sitting around the Table and King Arthur is looking for answers. One guy puts a huge bag of gold on the table. King Arthur then asks “Your not planning on throwing money at the problem are you?”
Bechtel has pulled out, projects and schools will not be finished, the factories will not open, the electricity still doesn’t work, and yet they are gonna throw more money, and troops, at the problem.
What a plan. Stay the Course!! Yet the freepers, who cry about taxes, and want to see min wage abolished, will keep sending the terrorists all their hard earned dough!!
Genius I tell you!!
Now the Democrats (I am not one nor Republican) Are gonna let George and Dick have their war, laying the blame squarely where it belongs, then the GOP will be going glub blub blub as their ship sinks, and you cannot save them.
And the fact of the matter is people don’t wish Iraq to be a failure, the current administration has done that all by themselves. GOP Heart Failure.
But keep on yapping and trying to accuse me of being who I am not Rachel/Joanie/Stryker/ ad nauseum. You are truly funny to watch flop around. Like two seagulls battling for a dead fish on the sand.
Fighting yourself of course. =) And the more you battle yourself Joanie/Stryker/Rachel the more insane you shall become. Eventually troll alert it will seem as if you are dematerializing and coming completely apart matter seperating from the light. Your thoughts will be thrown far and wide scattered into the aether, and you will think of suicide. You will go stark raving mad.
But do keep guessing and continuing your Sybil rants.!! Bwhahahahaa!
February 1st, 2007 at 7:02 pmI hope I can catch up with you 2 some other time. Until then….
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Likewise Phantasyman, take care. Gotta run myself, I’ve already commented an hour from now and don’t seem to have accomplished everything I intended to do before then.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:08 pmQuadrajet, your memory is good. Yes, repubs accused Clinton of trying to change the subject from the important topic of bj’s to the unimportant topic of fighting terrorism. Never mind that the author of Wag the Dog said his inspiration was Reagan’s invasion of Granada to take the heat off of him for losing 243 Marines in Beruit.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:20 pmi was worried about whether the colts were going to win this weekend, when i reminded myself of some good advice i had recently been given by an angel named ‘troll alert’: “People die. Relax.”
February 1st, 2007 at 8:11 pmthank you.
Well richrepub, since you like to play word games, like that overgrown child Dimbulb lets play.
Rethuglicans
February 1st, 2007 at 8:12 pmRepugnanticans
GOoPers
GrOPers
Restupidicans
Flush Dimbulb
Filth O’liely
Manne Coldturd
Lush Rimjob
Dick Chainme
Retardicans
Rewhoreicans
troll alert is as much of a military person in Iraq as my cat… Considering the horror stories from the troops themselves, there’s no way this person is there in an enlisted capacity. None.
Comment by unbelievable — February 1, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
You’re right of course UB, there’s no way this fool is anywhere near Iraq. If troll alert is having a difficult time finding the death and destruction there, perhaps he/she/it should look to the east, the west, the south and somewhat north of the green zone. It’s “People die, relax” comment was classic rummy.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:12 pm#39 - can’t help but agree, sadly enough. “Deal or No Deal” and “American Idol” are just so much more important than the future of our country - and the world. It’s pathetic.
While our soldiers (and many, many others) are dying due to the neglience of the American people, in facing the realities and TRUTH of this war.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:12 pmThe Last Chance, The Last Best Hope for Victory
Today’s Armed Services Comm hearing with Gen. Casey is on C-SPAN right night. He’s slick with his answers. Surprised? He is in large part responsible for the disaster in Iraq, and he will be rewarded with a new top position.
The only good thing about these hearings is watching the GOP Bush lapdogs blame Casey for everything that has gone wrong. Sen. Lindsay Graham’s new mantra is “last chance” and “last best hope for victory.” Watch Mitch McConnell and other GOP Senators beat this phrase to death in the upcoming Senate debate on Iraq.
Now we find out that Bush lied again. Double the number of troops in the “surge” and double / triple / quadruple or whatever the projected costs for the “surge.” With no promise of success. Deeper into the pit we go.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:57 pmPhantasyman,
How about some details on when and where you served? And how do you feel about Bush and the Republican-controlled 109th Congress cutting the VA budget and leaving it short a couple billion dollars? How do you like that they cut the funding in half for veterans’ head trauma research and treatment? Not like that’s anything really important, eh? The Republican chair of the House Veterans Affairs committee last year decided to stop letting veterans service organizations like the VFW, American Legion, and DAV come in and testify before the VA budget was drawn up. It was common practice and common courtesy for years, but Rep. Buyer decided to put a stop to it. Okay by you? How about you go check out this site http://www.veteransforamerica.org/print_blog.cfm?bID=1212 and see how the Democrats and Republicans compare when it comes to REALLY supporting the troops. This president and the Republicans in Congress are the most anti-veteran and anti-troop that this country has ever seen.
If you’re dumb enough to think that Bush is doing right by you, that he isn’t just throwing bodies into the meat grinder to save himself from the shame of admitting he was wrong, I feel sorry for you. I hope you get a clue before you get your ass shot off, but maybe that’s what it’ll take to wake you up.
February 1st, 2007 at 11:37 pmYou will go *stark raving mad.
But do keep guessing and continuing your Sybil rants.!! Bwhahahahaa!
Comment by Holy Kow — February 1, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
You will go stark raving mad–I have been there for many years already grasshopper.
I am there now as you say…*stark raving mad.
BwahBwahBwaahhhaaaaahahhaa
I prefer my little dead Iraqi babies deep fried with no bones.
An imported delicacy from the cradel of civilization.
Now thems good eatin ya hear!
Have you ever seen the image of a man, perfectly etched in the sand?
Have you ever attempted to touch the image no matter how timid?
Only to find out that the image was that of a man who had been burned into the sand in a firestorm that was so hot it melted the sand and made it into etched natural glass?
The image was preserved so realistically.
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 amBecause the image itself was once, alive and breathing.
It was a man.
# 5 Juan C.:
Thanks for knowing the real troll alert.
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:29 amI didn’t see the fake post,but yes,my guess would have been rachel as well.
unbelievable:
My name was hi-jacked early in this thread;and that was not me saying that you were ‘Holy Kow’.
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:41 amBelieve it or not,that was rachel,who is Holy Kow.
He’s playing a game.
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