Right-wing reacts to Biden’s comments on Obama.
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh: “He says Obama is a clean black guy. I look at Obama and I see a clean black guy. What’s so bad, what’s so wrong about what he said?” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol: “I think it’s a very clever move by Senator Biden.”
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Although I think Biden will not make it to be the right president,he is still more experienced than all of the candidates seeking the office of presidency. He talks too much sometimes,but I don’t think he is racist…he just didn’t put it right. His record for voting for women and minorities is solid. If he just quit running his mouth a little, he will be fine…
February 1st, 2007 at 11:52 amA water-carrier and a warmonger.
Seriously, Bush and Kristol? Why do people think their opinion is even worth listening to?
I hold no real opinion either way re: Mr. Biden’s comments, but can see how what he said would offend some… He has said some dumb things in the past, too… but having these two run to your defense??? Talk about “With friends like these…”
If I were Biden (and I’m not) I’d be telling these two to “STFU, I don’t need help ruining my campaign…”
But that’s what they (Rush, Kristol, etc) want now, isn’t it?
February 1st, 2007 at 11:55 amI look at Obama and I see a clean black guy.
Can’t get more racist than that!
I look at Rush Limbaugh, I see a dirty Oxycontin addict who illegally obtained hundreds, if not thousands, of his back pain reliever.
I see a lonely man who must go out of the country to aid in his ongoing erectile dysfunction.
As for Obama, I see a great presidential candidate. (what, Obama’s black? Huh, never noticed. And he has good hygiene? Well, good for him)
Biden, sorry dude, you won’t be getting my vote with your racial overtones
February 1st, 2007 at 11:56 amMy interest in Kristol’s assessment of campaign tactics by a Democratic candidate is as low as my interest in what our own troll, Urban Heat, has to offer about the same.
Rush’s kiss of Biden is a kiss of death.
February 1st, 2007 at 11:58 amWell, since Bill Kristol is ALWAYS wrong, Biden can’t have made a clever move.
Biden has the wrong kind of experience (sell out, weasel) to be President.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmI look at you, Rush, and see a clean, big, FAT guy. What’s so wrong about saying that?
February 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmWhile I don’t think Biden’s comments about Obama were meant to be racist, nor that Biden is racist, it’s obvious that Biden has a tendency to shoot his mouth off at the hip. He does not consider the implications or cultural meaning that might be given to his comments. We’ve had 6 years of a POTUS mangling the English language and being culturally insensitive to what he says. I cannot, then, support Biden’s bid for the presidency. I can, however, continue to support him right where he is.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:06 pmTP - Amanda - the “I know Biden is but what are they?” isn’t working. Why are you persisting? Is there some agenda here?
How about some posts that fit the moniker “Think” and “Progress”?
1. How about Chavez and the Enabling law? Nothing progressive about incipient dictatorship.
2. How about the big Najaf gunbattle? Were the victims Shia pilgrims? Oops.
3. Rogue US A-10 pilots bombing British troops?
4. Wow isn’t Iraq crawling with Iranians all of a sudden - so they say? How far away is that second carrier group?
5. In Germany they would like to arrest the rendition-happy CIA
Hey five minutes on Buzzflash - hey they have comments pages too…hmmm
February 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmThe GOP is filled with crazy bigots like Rush Limbaugh. Shame on all of them!
February 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmPost 6 Liberal > lol I look at Rush and see his unclean mouth and a guy who probably has crab lice.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:14 pmWhen you take it in context, Rush, is pointing out the selective outrage of progressives. He made the comment in order to prove a point. Here’s a couple of quotes.
“Well, let anybody else say that, let me say that Barack Obama is a ‘clean black guy’, and watch how few seconds it takes for this to reverberate all over the place.”
“I knew that if I did it that way, I would become the story, “Limbaugh agrees with Biden,†and I would become the villain while Biden would get the pass.”
It looks like TP has gratiously made Mr. Limbaugh’s point.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:35 pmTerrytheTurtle. When you are right, I have to agree. Thank you.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:37 pmwhen i look at rush i see, “10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.”
February 1st, 2007 at 12:41 pmWell DRxJ, you make a little sense for once. Yes Biden is racist, but when he said clean he might mean politically clean. As opposed to Jackson and Sharpton who ooze corruption like most Democrats.
I think the “illiterate†comment was even worse. While the Republicans have Rice and Powell (clean and literate), biden has not seen the same from African American Democrats.
ROTFL
February 1st, 2007 at 12:42 pmDang it Rush, now I’ve got that stupid song from the ’80’s running thru my head, can’t remember who did it….
February 1st, 2007 at 12:45 pm“I’m just a dirty white boy, white boy, dirty white boy……………”
I think the “illiterate†comment was even worse. While the Republicans have Rice and Powell (clean and literate), biden has not seen the same from African American Democrats.
ROTFL
Comment by Happy Guy — February 1, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Thank you for pointing out your bigotry and racism.
February 1st, 2007 at 12:51 pmat least you don’t pretend to hide it.
Here is an Idea, Rush and Biden can both go to the local donut shop and discuss clean, attracive, articulate, black guys. That is if Biden remembers to bring along his “slight Indian accent” (Biden’s words “You can’t even go to a Dunkin Donuts or conveniance store in this area unless you have a slight Indian accent.”)
Face it folks, no matter how you paint the pig, this is not the first time Biden has made what could be called racially insensative comments.
If Rush is an idiot for possabily echoing Biden, what does that make Biden?
I think the term is “Selective outrage”
February 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pmI wonder what Rush would say if he were called a clean child sex offender who uses illegal drugs. Most of American gets that Biden has an old touch of the past when it comes to minorities. Why can’t Obama and all of us just be Americans for once. What an example to other countries when the US hangs on to the teachings of the KKK. I like just being called an American as all Americans are different races. Boy heavens looking better everyday. At least race wont matter what there and all the hater will be down below.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmBiden has admitted he mistated and did not intend the comment the way it was taken.
He was on the Daily show last night and Jon ribbed him over it. Took a lot of guts for Biden to appear on a show. Bidden said on the show, when he said clean, he meant as in fresh perspective, new ideas, etc.
From his voting record, he has a very good record on civil rights.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmLike the Kerry mistatement I think this is a bit exagerated.
old touch of the past when it comes to minorities
Strom Thurmond had an old touch of the past, too. Look what he was put through.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:09 pmI just heard Limbaugh espousing the opposite today on his lie and
distort oriented show. He says now that it just shows the ignorance of the left once they get off message, it shows how stupid they are. Meaning, “Oh, this is a bad thing?Ok, let me adjust my social outrage then.”
Although it’s been very very painful I have been listening to the right wing Hannity and Rush over the last couple weeks and I gotta tell ya, they got nothin’. They welcome and pray any misstep by Biden or any other Democrat because they know they don’t have a moral leg to stand on. It’s actually been funny listening to them just rag on Hillary and Biden, Obama and Pelosi. It’s all they have and let me tell ya it ain’t much. They know the walls are closing in and all their hating, conservative, criminal friends are going down.
BTW,
February 1st, 2007 at 1:10 pmSpeaking of going down and the Libby trial, isn’t treason an impeachable offense?
Rush sure is animated for a morbidly obese drug addict. That’s not fattist is it?
February 1st, 2007 at 1:20 pmHappy Guy, here’s a straw, grab it already will ya? You got nothing….Nothing. Not that you ever did, other than being a minor irritant, you have never uttered a single word that could be construed as playing in the realm of reality. So, grab a straw my man. I can’t even count on 2 hands how many investigations are going on right now that will cause you and you ideology much pain. Welcome to the US Happy Guy, I know I almost don’t recognize it either but it is still a country where we are governed by the rule of law, not the rule of men.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pmComment by Wayne
I agree that I personally do not think that Biden was making a racist statement. The “fresh perspective” is exactally what I figured he meant by “clean”. Or maybe it was “Obama does not have a negative trackrecord that will come back and bte him in the ass.” And Obama is an attractive and articulate guy.
But Biden made the statement and there was silence. Bush and Rush echo the statement and there is outrage.
Think about it people.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:23 pmJoe, looks like Rush has your back. Lucky you.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:27 pmHacker Bob, I too don’t believe that Biden is racist, but ya know maybe he is, and he just doesn’t see it, that’s why stupid stuff keeps falling out of his pie hole. I’m not voting for him anyway. As soon as I heard it I knew there’d be hell to pay. What is clear though is that saying a black guy is articulate is not a compliment. Why? Because people don’t say the same thing about white people because the thinking is is that most white people are articulate and expected to be that way. Although, the past 6 years has shown us otherwise and I know plenty of crackers who shouldn’t be allowed to answer the phone let alone try and carry a conversation. It is offensive because people never say stuff like, Oh, that President Bush is so articulate (I know it’s a stretch but bare with me) or that Nancy Pelosi is sooo articulte? Why? Because they’re an f_ing public official, they’re supposed to be able to speak. The same should be expected when speaking of a black person. To say that a black person is articulate implies that most black people aren’t so isn’t it great that a Harvard school graduate and a professor of constitutional law is so gosh darn articulate?
February 1st, 2007 at 1:41 pm“What? I was complimenting you, why are you flipping me off?” See what I mean?
#15 Comment by Raven
That would be Foreigner
February 1st, 2007 at 1:50 pmhacker bob.
If Rush is an idiot for possabily echoing Biden, what does that make Biden?
You probably need to click on the Rush Limbaugh link at the top of the story before you call him an idiot. His whole purpose for repeating the Biden comment was to expose the selective outrage from progressives that you talk about. The more people blast Rush for his supposed bigotry on this topic, the more his point is being made.
People here are so entrenched in their ideology they won’t do it, but I would recommend that you actually read the Rush link before you comment. It’s pretty funny how predictable liberals are. When progressives begin to realize what’s happening, I imagine the posts on Biden’s comments will become as rare as an objective assessment of Rush’s program.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:55 pmI know plenty of crackers who shouldn’t be allowed to answer the phone let alone try and carry a conversation.
— Fascism Americana
Please explain to me why this is not a racist statement comming from you.
February 1st, 2007 at 1:58 pmAnd before you start, btw, I am native american.
For once kristal is right about something. the senator from MBNA has been playing to the confederates for a while he clearly plans to run as a white southerner.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmPaul…Selective outrage? I don’t think there is a person on this post that wouldn’t agree the statements he made were at least inconsiderate and naive, at worst racist. So where you get selective outrage from is funny. Nice try though. You almost had us. Like I said to Happy Guy, there’s plenty to go around, grab a straw. Lastly, saying “objective” and “Rush” in the same sentence and then saying progressives aren’t is interesting. It’s interesting because I have listened to Rush many times, much to my displeasure and the last thing in the world he could be labled as is objective.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:06 pmtroll alert=escaped mental patient
sarcasm/OFF
February 1st, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by Wayne-Please explain to me why this is not a racist statement comming from you.
Because I’m a cracker. I can say anything I want about honkys or crackers or whatever derrogatory remark about “the man”, “the white devil”,
February 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pm“the blue eyed satan” as I like. No one has oppressed white people, at least in this country unless you’re talking about gay folk. So no term like cracker or honky or whitey is offensive to me because it hasn’t been used by any other people to oppress, enslave or rule me or my race. And as far as I’m concerned, if you wanted to call me the same, to me it wouldn’t be racist.
Comment by Fascism Americana
Yes, selective outrage. No one got on Bidens case for opening his mouth, but everyone will jump on a Republican for echoing Bidens statement.
Just like the selective outrage if you say cracker. Let someone use a term for Blacks, latinos, or asians that is un-flattering and they get labled as a bigot. But call someone a cracker, it is not big deal.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pmpaul, I read the link. I know what Rush was trying to do.
It worked, too.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pmC’mon, Biden thought they was asking him about “Osama”.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmI don’t think there is a person on this post that wouldn’t agree the statements he made were at least inconsiderate and naive, at worst racist.
I’m sure that you are right, there is noone here with the objectivity to consider it. I listened to the show yesterday. Rush started the show by saying that he was going to repeat Biden’s comments in order to show how Biden will get a relative pass by the liberal media (and of course here) while he would be made the story as a bigot. Rush doesn’t agree with the Biden comment, before he repeated it, he acknowledged that it was an ignorant thing to say. Read the link. It is all there. By continuing to focus on Rush’s supposed bigotry, only proves you aren’t willing to consider what I’m saying. Image that every comment condemning his racism on this point (which was fabricated to make a point about progressives) makes Rush more credible. I challenge you to find the quotes (in context) and then convince me that I’m wrong. (I’m not, because I heard it all first hand). Is there one reasonable prog here that will read Rush’s comments and concede the point? (I would, if the roles were reversed).
February 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmhacker bob. It will be fun to watch how quickly this thread dries up never to return. Thanks.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmYee-haw!
You all just keep posting all the hate and lies about my Democratic opponents.
I need’s all the helps I can git!
February 1st, 2007 at 2:30 pmHacker, if you don’t cut it out, you’ll be in danger of living up to your screen name without the “er”. All I heard yesterday on the news was about what Biden said, it was on every station or outlet I turned on last night. So please spare me. This will probably cost him his campaign. So I don’t know what you’re whinning about. If there was a comment on TP I would’ve made one, so TP is guilty of taking something out of context. I guess I don’t understand your selective outrage.
Also, I can call a cracker a cracker being a white guy so settle down. I don’t espouse using those kinds of terms with other races because it ain’t right, but I don’t get all bent out of shape when someone other than a white person uses the term cracker because it hasn’t been a term that was used against me as a means to control, imprison or enslave me. Mostly it’s because I am not that easily offended.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:31 pmFascism,
Your statement #40 makes the point for me. I am talking about the selective outrage HERE. This is the forum I am talking about. TPs selective outrage has been pointed out by their own actions. As well as some of the posters here.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:42 pmBecause I’m a cracker. I can say anything I want about honkys or crackers or whatever derrogatory remark about “the manâ€, “the white devilâ€,
“the blue eyed satan†as I like.
– Fascism Americana
Yeah and when you post, no one can see your skin color. Cracker, like the “N” word, halfbreed, and many other terms are considered racist and offend some people.
You are now as guilty as biden, because of the perception others may have had of your post, who had no idea you were white.
Hacker Bob is correct, this stinks of selective outrage to me, and I am very liberal.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:57 pmHacker Bob, alright, alright, it took me a little while, but I think I can see where you are going with this. I also read the whole link of Rush’s, so in that context I can see what you’re saying. TP selectively left out what his intent was. My bad. I wrote to TP not too long ago about Sandy Berger’s stealing of classified documents and said in the interest of full disclosure and objectiveness perhaps something should be written about it. To date I haven’t seen anything, unless it was a day that I missed. Bad TP! Bad! It’s not like progressives don’t have enough ammo. They should be more balanced when it comes to that sort of thing.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:01 pmWayne, if I offended anyone, it wasn’t my intent. So, I apologize. In saying that, I agree my comments could’ve been taken as offensive and for that I was wrong .But as I mentioned I am white, it’s known , it’s out there, therefore I feel my comments are innocuous with the admission of my race. To say that my comments are equally offensive as Biden’s I must beg to differ. His comments were of ignorance about what is offensive to another race. And since I am the same race and it is now a known fact. I must disagree and hope you can see the difference. I believe if a white person gets upset by being called a cracker, although calling anyone a name is wrong, perhaps they are too easily offended and may need to look up the origins of those words that offend and why. I don’t believe cracker is in the same category, but I could be wrong.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by Wayne
Thanks
They should be more balanced when it comes to that sort of thing.
Comment by Fascism Americana
thanks to you too. That is all I would like to see, balance in the outrage. If someone does something stupid, they should be called to task on it, regardless of their political affiliation.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pmWord.
February 1st, 2007 at 3:45 pmFascism Americana. I have been posting here for about 6 months and have never seen a progressive admit they were wrong (I’ve been flat out wrong on 3 or 4 occassions, at least, and admitted it). I am sure we disagree a great many things, but I have to respect you for being able to face facts when they are there. Respectfully.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:27 pmWel… I gotta admit that any praise from Rush is indeed faint praise at best. But, I’d like to at least share some of what I feel about the original comment by Senator Biden. One of the points he made which got lost in all the hoopla is that Senator Obama is “mainstream”. That is, he happens to be “black”, and he’s a fantastic “leader”, but he doesn’t fall in the typical “black leader” trap. Jackson, Sharpton, etc. are all “black leaders”. They really have no interest in the rest of the country, but only act as beacons for the community they support. To call Senator Obama “mainstream” is to acknowledge that his goals, vision and appeal are intended for everyone, and not just a portion of society. To my mind, Senator Obama is a everything that Senator Biden said, and he just happens to be black.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:37 pmit’s simple math-
appearance > the record
politics=middle school
sad-
can we talk about the issues now?
February 1st, 2007 at 4:44 pmI have been listening to Rush for awhile. I don’t agree with everything he says, just like I don’t agree with everything that is posted here. But I believe that liberals have successfully (although, unfairly) painted Rush Limbaugh as a racist, bigot, sexiest, and a homophobe. Rush is an admitted conservative, but as far as the bigotry; I haven’t seen it.
Think about this: Rush talks in front of an open mike (live) for three hours a day, 5 days a week. 15 hours X 50 weeks; 750 hours of live conversation a year for nearly 20 years. In all that time, think of all the controversy. Donovan McNabb, Michael J. Fox, Oxycontin addiction. I’m sure there are others, but the point I’m trying to make is this: Take any public figure and scrutinize 750 hours of live comments on contentious issues every year. There will be some comments that raise some eyebrows. I’m sure there are many in public life (Kerry, Biden) that would envy the relative freedom from the foot-in-mouth comments.
I have listened as Rush responds to callers that are minorities, homosexuals and, yes, liberals; Rush treats the callers with respect. He does not have much patience with liberal callers that are antagonistic, but I would submit that he treats those callers with more respect than conservatives get treated on this site.
If you insist on proclaiming Rush a bigot, you should probably listen to the show once. As a progressive, you probably won’t like what you hear, but just because someone disagrees with you politically, doesn’t make them a bigot. I am a conservative. I’ve never been to a conservative blog, just because I know how conservatives think and I’m not that interested. I have seen alot hear that causes me to rethink my positions. If you seek the truth, and you’re confident in your positions, you should tune in. If you’re afraid that Limbaugh is not the devil you think he is (and that gives you comfort), continue to insulate yourself with likeminded people here. But please consider; if it doesn’t kill you, it makes you stronger.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:59 pm(jeez, is paul finished worshiping his idol?)
Remember, he’s a wuss for his military deferment due to a polyp on his sphincter.
I’d give him the deferment just for his tremendously unhealthy body size and uncontrollable mouth!
February 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmIts ok that Biden made a racist statement, after all he supports the blacks’ (and everyone else’s) right to choose.
February 1st, 2007 at 10:05 pmBiden did not say “Obama is a clean black guy.” If you are trying to do an accurate honest story, you don’t start out by mischaracterizing what someone said.
His quote was “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American (pause) who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”
Biden says, and it is not unreasonable to interpret, that the second part of the run on sentence was complimenting a worthy candidate, and were not race-related.
I’m sure this is much more fun for the right wing to whine about than the latest lies from the administration.
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 am“who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”
That part of the statement is a subordinate clause. In English grammar that means the statement cannot stand on its own and must relate to the subject of the relative pronoun. The subject was described as “the first mainstream African-American”
It’s clear what he meant. he should think more carefully before patronizing his consitutuency.
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:15 am