Gone Fishing: Cheney Set To Visit Global Warming Hotspot
Gone Fishing: Cheney Set To Visit Global Warming Hotspot
Vice President Cheney’s determination to ignore global warming will soon be put to the test.
The White House has announced that Cheney will travel to Australia and Japan this month “to discuss issues of mutual interest including Asian security and the global war on terror.” The Washington tip sheet The Nelson Report reported this tidbit about his schedule:
The Vice President and Mrs. Cheney will visit Japan as part of an Asian tour which will take them to Tasmania for fly fishing, sources confirm.
Cheney’s fishing trip will show him the impact of climate change first-hand.
The warming of Tasmania’s waters has led to “exceptionally rare” development of coral reefs and “the invasion of about 30 species of fish from warmer areas.” In December, arid lands fueled the worst wildfires in years, 15 of which raged across state forests and burned more than 280,000 hectares. And extreme weather patterns have turned the country into a “freak show“:
Every month [in 2006] but September saw a long-term monthly rainfall or temperature record broken. May saw the lowest temperature for the month ever recorded. June experienced the lowest total rainfall. October set records for the hottest day, coldest night, warmest night and lowest rainfall.
Hopefully Cheney will use his fishing trip to learn something about the global climate crisis he now seems content to ignore.
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I think the handlers will prep the area ahead of time with lots of “healthy” fish, and remove any evidence of climate change just long enough for Cheney to fish. They might ice down the waters before he gets there, they might put air conditioners in the trees.
Cheney will pay no mind.
Just show him a duck billed platypus.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmIn order to learn and care, one has to have a brain and a heart.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:06 pmThose are all just further signs of the impending Apocalypse he’s helping to exascerbate… They will actually make him happy.
Damn Christianists.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmNot sure if showing someone a brand new pretty coral reef will get them excited to stop climate change.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:09 pmHarley Davidson workers went on strike:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249502,00.html
Can we have a thread on that, since we already have a global warming thread today?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:10 pmTasmania is a state.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:10 pmNah, he’ll just brag about the rare 3 eyed fish he caught there and proclaim it’s weirdness a National Strategy Goal for the US.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:10 pmIsn’t Fitzgerald going to subpoena him?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhy is Cheney permitted one day of relaxation or recreation when our troops are dying for oil over in Iraq?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmNews Break: Tazmania- Prime Minister John Howard was injured today as U.S. Vice President, while casting his fishing line, hooked the PM in the face. Medical services arrived and took John Howard to hospital. Police and reporters’ attempts to speak with Dick Cheney were rebuffed.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmHey, didnt you read muckdog in the past thread? Its snowing in South Carolina. Who cares what happens in Tasmania? There is no global warming. /sarc
February 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmA poster in the other global warming thread claimed that nuclear power doesn’t contribute to global warming. I don’t think that is accurate. Nuclear power doesn’t produce tons of CO2, a theorized “green house” gas – that is true.
I believe urban heat masses are created by the rapid release of energy stored in fossil / nuclear fuels at a rate much faster than has been the norm, adding / releasing more heat into the biosphere than otherwise would have been present, raising local temps.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmI guess the snow just missed Atlanta? Just north of there.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pmWho’s paying for thids boondoggle? If the SOB is traveling on taxpayer money I want mine back or at least equal time.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:19 pmCan we have a thread on that, since we already have a global warming thread today?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
We? You’re not a part of ‘we’.
Go post your own “news” at http://www.myspace.com
February 1st, 2007 at 5:22 pm#14 Clyde…The taxpayer is paying for Cheney’s trip..Classified under ‘fishy’ business which he is entitled to…
February 1st, 2007 at 5:23 pmHopefully Cheney will use his fishing trip to learn something about the global climate crisis he now seems content to ignore.
No being the master statesman that he is, he will use it as an oppurtunity to catch fish.
Why would he or anyone else get so worked up over an unfounded and unscientific myth?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:24 pmWell at least he won’t have a gun???
February 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pmI believe urban heat masses are created by the rapid release of energy stored in fossil / nuclear fuels blah, blah, blah
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
You don’t ‘believe’ in Science, Fact Mangler… you either accept it or you do not. If you have to ‘believe’ in it, then it’s not Science, it’s Science Fiction (authored by medical school dropout Michael Crichton in this case, rather than by reputable CLIMATOLOGISTS – people who study the CLIMATE).
February 1st, 2007 at 5:26 pm#15, spinster unbee,
Do you work for tp? If so, they should get their money back.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:26 pmI guess the snow just missed Atlanta? Just north of there.
Comment by ForTruth — February 1, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Pretty much. We got sleet early, which turned to rain.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhat a waste of time. Dick is not welcome down here… just like George and Condi he will face massive protests where ever he goes and just like George and Condi he will completely ignore them.
However, It would only take a little nudge while he is fishing.. he wouldnt be able to ignore the crocs….
February 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pm#10
February 1st, 2007 at 5:29 pmcatch and release.
Watch him cwose, he’s a swippery widdo wascal…… There’s also good fishing this time of year in Patagonia, and that’s awful close to the tri-border region between Uraguay, Paraguay, and Argentina…he may be trying to skip town ahead of his court appearance…..
February 1st, 2007 at 5:32 pm#19, unbee,
That is an oxymoron – NO reputable scientist would cobble disparate occurances of natural / normal climate change over a few short years, then boast of spotting a trend.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmI am reminded of a couple of stories from Richard Brautigan’s Trout Fishing in America…….
“Trout death by port wine”
and
“The Kool-Aid wino”
It looks like I am not going to get a trout fishing vacation this summer, got tapped for full time work fighting wildfires here in the West………….
February 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pm#23- stagemom,
February 1st, 2007 at 5:39 pmLOL
spinster unbee,
You’re so unoriginal and devoid of creativity that you have to steal from the mentally challenged MA? ROTFL!
Do you work for tp?
Nope.
If so, they should get their money back.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Damn Jason, even my 11th and 12th graders can do far better than that! I’d bet my 6 year old niece could as well… LOL
February 1st, 2007 at 5:39 pm#15, spinster unbee,
Do you work for tp? If so, they should get their money back.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
That was simply precious!!
LMAO ROTFL
Nice jab Jason, but don`t let her up, this one is a wicked Pagan, and she teaches it to our youth in school!
Kill her while she is down and squirming, don`t you dare let her up.
She is a witch! sarcasm/OFF
February 1st, 2007 at 5:42 pmThat is an oxymoron
We think of you more as just a plain ‘moron’ actually Jason…
NO reputable scientist would cobble disparate occurances of natural / normal climate change over a few short years, then boast of spotting a trend.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
And they aren’t. To suggest that they are makes your argument weak and you uncredible. It means you are ignoring their actual work in favor of a strawman you can more easily tear down.
If you were a real man, you’d attack their actual research on its own merits. But we all know you are incapable.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:42 pmOf course she doesn`t work for TP Jason, only a crazy person would keep posting here day after day after day knowing full well no one believes her anymore.
For FREE!
Her credibility is shot. As is her attempt at using different monikers.
She is just so……so……..unbelievable.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:45 pm#28, unbee,
Fell into my trap then ….
Since you don’t work for TP, don’t talk in terms of “we”. When I use “we”, I mean to say, “TP posters with more than one or two issues to discuss”.
I believe TP mods would actually be upset with your trying to harass posters from expressing their views, but you are one of the many illiberal liberals – “free speech for libs, none for anyone else”.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:48 pmthis one is a wicked Pagan, and she teaches it to our youth in school!
Comment by home schooled and proud of it — February 1, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Pagans believe in gods. I believe in none. Makes me an A-t-h-e-i-s-t.
I teach Architecture, not Christianity (three gods, therefore it is actually pagan).
LOL. Desperation leads to dementia!
February 1st, 2007 at 5:49 pmoxy= all encompassing
moron= someone without a clue
unbelievable is someone who is all encompassing and is someone without a clue.
I guess she is an oxymoron
February 1st, 2007 at 5:49 pmHer credibility is shot. As is her attempt at using different monikers.
Comment by home schooled and proud of it — February 1, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
That would be you.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:49 pmHopefully Cheney will use his fishing trip to learn something about the global climate crisis he now seems content to ignore.
Not likely. Cheney is untrainable let alone uneducable. The only good thing about this trip is that he won’t be using a shotgun to fish. Therefore, when he gets totally schnockered on saki and Japanese beer, the worst that could happen is that he will snag someone with his fishing hook of fall out the boat and drown.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:51 pm#30, unbee,
Didn’t take long for the typical feminazi ad homenum attack against overt masculinity. Whenever a man fails to quiver before a feminists self-righteous indignation, you start attacking his obvious masculinity.
I guess I should be taking it as a compliment.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:51 pm. . . that should be or fall out of the boat and drown.
A guy can always dream, can’t he?
February 1st, 2007 at 5:52 pmJason,
I will sit back and watch you in action. I am sure I can learn a new trick or two.
Damn you are shred dude! sarcasm/OFF
You are definitely a master at slaying and showing what unbelievable is TRULY all about.
I will sit back and watch and learn and enjoy.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:52 pmJason,
I will sit back and watch you in action. I am sure I can learn a new trick or two.
Damn you are shrewd dude! sarcasm/OFF
You are definitely a master at slaying and showing what unbelievable is TRULY all about.
I will sit back and watch and learn and enjoy.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:53 pmFell into my trap then ….
Not possible.
Since you don’t work for TP, don’t talk in terms of “weâ€. When I use “weâ€, I mean to say, “TP posters with more than one or two issues to discussâ€.
It ruins the joke when you have to explain the punchline to the mentally challenged…
“We” as in Progressives.
I believe TP mods would actually be upset with your trying to harass posters from expressing their views, but you are one of the many illiberal liberals – “free speech for libs, none for anyone elseâ€.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
You’re the one who tries to harrass people. I just call you on it. And like a big baby, you cry every time.
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.”
February 1st, 2007 at 5:53 pm–unknown
Katy?
As a moderator here at TP?
Can you do something about unbelievable? She is being rude and running off regular as well as new posters in her zeal to be ” top dog? ”
Your speedy consideration into this matter will be very muchy appreciated.
February 1st, 2007 at 5:56 pmDidn’t take long for the typical feminazi ad homenum attack against overt masculinity.
You aren’t masculine.
Fine, have it your way – then be WOMAN enough to attack the Scientific studies on their own merits, instead of creating strawwomen.
Whenever a man fails to quiver before a feminists self-righteous indignation, you start attacking his obvious masculinity.
Stop twisting. I was attacking your inability to discuss the merits of Global Warming. Which you are still trying to avoid by stating things that were not implied nor are relevent.
The point is that you have no FACTS. You wield opinion, and they cry like a child when you are called out on it.
I guess I should be taking it as a compliment.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Only if you’re delusional… Oh, wait, you are.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:01 pm#43, unbee,
Michael Crichton already dealt directly with the “facts” your pseudo-scientists presented, showing that there is far stronger correlation of a urban heat island effect on local temperatures, than ANY correlation of a trend of GLOBAL WARMING.
If you are unable to believe your own senses, no one can help you.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:04 pmWas Dick able to snag that elusive and highly-sought trouser trout with his dry fly? He’s a lot safer with a fishing pole than with a shotgun in his hand, I guess.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:07 pmMichael Crichton already dealt directly with the “facts†your pseudo-scientists presented, showing that there is far stronger correlation of a urban heat island effect on local temperatures, than ANY correlation of a trend of GLOBAL WARMING.
Explain why you take a Sci-Fi novelists fictional work over the consensus of many peer-reviewed Climatologists (people who study the climate).
If you are unable to believe your own senses, no one can help you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Again, Jason, ‘believe’ is for people who cannot read, think or deduce… I want acceptable proof and facts. So far, you haven’t given any. Nor has Crichton.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:10 pm#46, unbee,
Because Crichton’s work showed stronger correlation, whereas, your precious climatologists have weak or no correlation for their hypotheses.
You disbelieve your own senses, because you ignore the temp difference between a city and its rural countryside.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:13 pmSo we are having a mild winter. Big deal. It happens.
I remeber during Easter along time ago it uncharacteristically snowed. It happens. Big deal.
I can remeber another time along time ago I was catching catfish on Christmas Day. Very unseasonably warm day. Big deal.
We have had a mild winter to be sure.
But no need to be an alarmist and a narcissist about the weather.
Is there anything you democrats DON`T bitch about?
February 1st, 2007 at 6:23 pmI can just picture cheney when the fishing guide begins a mini lecture on the threatened species. [Cue Jon Stewart's 'grrr' cheney sound]
February 1st, 2007 at 6:24 pmGeez, the Trolls are at it again: “…I was attacking your inability to discuss the merits of Global Warming.” Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Gore has already done that doofus! See An Inconvenient Truth: that provides the facts (only idiots call it “merits”) about the global climate crisis better than most in this thread, and certainly better than any troll can refute!
Go where all Trolls go,
Under the Bridge – below – below. Yo-ho!
Now back to the original Post:
“…Hopefully Cheney will use his fishing trip to learn something about the global climate crisis he now seems content to ignore.”
My response: You’ve GOT to be kidding! You expect the “president in charge of vice” to learn anything? Come on!
February 1st, 2007 at 6:27 pmTP?
Can you do something about unbelievable being a thread hog?
No one else with salient posts can post because she is using up all of the bandwidth with her sophmorish attempts at saving face.
All for nought I might add.
It is getting sort of annoying after awhile.
This thread and bigger still, this BLOG is not about unbelievable.
As much as she would like it to be?
It just isn`t.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:29 pmBecause Crichton’s work showed stronger correlation, whereas, your precious climatologists have weak or no correlation for their hypotheses.
How so? be specific, and give facts, not your opinion.
How exactly do you know his work had a stronger correlation when you are not a Climatologist yourself?
Isn’t it a wacky conspiracy theory to call ALL credible Climate Experts in cahoots to deceive the masses with no credible reason for doing so?
You disbelieve your own senses, because you ignore the temp difference between a city and its rural countryside.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 1, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Again, I don’t do believe or disbelieve. Those aren’t valid Scientific principals for accepting or rejecting Sceintific evidence.
I reject Crichton’s principal because:
February 1st, 2007 at 6:40 pm1. He is not a Climate Expert.
2. Because he has conducted no experiments, presented no data for peer-review and offered nothing logical.
3. Because no one credible accepts his hypothesis.
4. It’s not logical.
5. Occum’s Razor.
I don’t understand the Comment by home schooled and proud of it — February 1, 2007 @ 6:29 pm.
Jason M. Hendler has done much more to hog this thread. If unbelievable is to be confronted as a “thread hog,” then so should Jason M. Hendler!
Go where all Trolls go,
February 1st, 2007 at 6:41 pmUnder the Bridge – below – below. Yo-ho!
This thread and bigger still, this BLOG is not about unbelievable.
Comment by home schooled and proud of it — February 1, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
It is as long as YOU keep making it about me by posting about me, talking about me, referencing me, and so on.
If you don’t want it to be about me, then STOP talking about me! Sheesh…
February 1st, 2007 at 6:43 pmDennis Miller put it best when he said that he doesn’t trust the “accurate” temperature readings of people who still crapped in outhouses. He’s, of course, referring to the fact that there was little to no indoor plumbing 100 years ago. I too have to question the complete accuracy of those readings compared to that done using today’s technology. And, globally, we’re talking about a spike of less than 1 degree in a hundred years??? Creighton and Hendler just might have a point here…
February 1st, 2007 at 6:48 pmI don’t understand the Comment by home schooled and proud of it — February 1, 2007 @ 6:29 pm.
Comment by hterrya — February 1, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
No one does. It’s off its meds. LOL
February 1st, 2007 at 6:49 pmTasmania isn’t just hosed by climate change. The over-aggressive logging industry and use of pellet-pesticides that get into water supplies and coastal seafood is to blame for most of the “Freak Show” effects being seen.
PM Howard promised to get tough against it as part of his re-election bid a couple of years ago; it was pretty much the first promise he broke — a fact which the news reported that “nobody was surprised by.”
February 1st, 2007 at 6:51 pmHe’s, of course, referring to the fact that there was little to no indoor plumbing 100 years ago
The Romans had indoor plumbing 2000 years ago. It’s likely that they took it from the Knossos civilization that was even older than they were. Indoor plumbing has been around a very long time.
Creighton and Hendler just might have a point here…
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
It’s Crichton. And no, they don’t.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:57 pm#54 Unbelievable
Give ‘em hell. girl!
This thread and this BLOG is all and only about you. With each comment you represent everyone here that does not disagree with you. To disclaim your creditability is to disclaim the creditability of the thread, the BLOG, and those that come here for the purpose for which it (the BLOG) was intended.
If we disagree with you we are free to state our position or leave. No one, with the exception of the moderators and then only with cause, can dictate to you about commenting or the content of your comments.
The problem is theirs not yours and I suspect it comes from the color of their neck and the paucity of manhood (cojones). The are riding the Red Ball Limited.
February 1st, 2007 at 6:59 pmUnbelieveable : So when do you get your indoor plumbing hooked up to your trailer? Gee, when I was in Rome, I didn’t see any ancient crappers amongst all those other ruins. I didn’t even notice a sign for the ladies room anywhere around the colisseum. And yes C-R-I-C-H-T-O-N and Hendler do have a point. So does Dennis Miller…
February 1st, 2007 at 7:01 pmThe are riding the Red Ball Limited.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — February 1, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Is that the same as the short bus? : )
I don’t take them seriously. Spending my workdays around 17 and 18 year old boys has insured that. : )
Thanks… I’m sure rachel will now add you to her list of people she promises to never, ever talk to again – just like me… LOL
February 1st, 2007 at 7:06 pmSo when do you get your indoor plumbing hooked up to your trailer?
Why, you need a plumber to hook up yours?
Gee, when I was in Rome, I didn’t see any ancient crappers amongst all those other ruins.
Then you should have gotten off the tour bus and actually had a look around. They were there. They actually had communal toilets too…
Here are manylinks for you to educate yourself:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=roman+plumbing&btnG=Google+Search
I didn’t even notice a sign for the ladies room anywhere around the colisseum.
I imagine with you Christinists being fed to the lions, there wasn’t time to dart to the potty…
And yes C-R-I-C-H-T-O-N and Hendler do have a point. So does Dennis Miller…
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Nah.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:10 pmIm gonna help you, UnB:
I reject Crichton’s principal because:
1. He is not a Climate Expert.
Comment by unbelievable
Period.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:12 pmGot it, trolls?
Nah.
Comment by unbelievable — February 1, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Actually that’s spelled “NO”, since you like to correct people.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:12 pmI don’t take them seriously. Spending my workdays around 17 and 18 year old boys has insured that. : )
Comment by unbelievable — February 1, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
So… how’s business at Burger King these days?
February 1st, 2007 at 7:14 pmThe Intelligent Designed created an environment that was conducive to the formulation of self supporting and self reproductive creatures, i. e. plant and animal life. This life required an ecosystem that provided the basics: air, food, and water. Whether there is Global Warming or any other term that applies to the situation is moot. The question is simply this: Has man interfered with the ecosystem that existed before man was (choose one): created, evolved, designed? The answer is undoubtedly yes. The trick question, and one any intelligent individual would not wish to gamble upon, is will this change to the ecosystem be sufficient to make life support as we know it today impossible? The unfortunate situation is that there are fools like DUHbya making the decisions based on greed. These same fools will not be around to answer for nor suffer from the asininity of their actions. I am glad I am old but I pity my offspring for generations to come.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:17 pmHhis brain is lost in global warring. He has no clue of global warming.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:18 pmActually that’s spelled “NOâ€, since you like to correct people.
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Nah is spelled n-a-h. I said ‘nah’, not ‘no’.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:18 pmSo… how’s business at Burger King these days?
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Why, you need a job?
February 1st, 2007 at 7:20 pmLook, I’m not against the possibility of global warming, I’m just skeptical. I’m not against the possibility of there being wormholes in space, I’m just skeptical. I’m not against liberalism, I’m just skeptical of it’s motives. I’m sure that comment will get me into trouble… would it help if I said I am skeptical of conservatives also? Probably not… I guess I’m skeptical of intellectual discussions on TP because all I see here is rhetoric!
February 1st, 2007 at 7:21 pm#69 I think I’m past your age limit of 17/18 year old boys. Are you the Burger King manager or are you a priest?
February 1st, 2007 at 7:23 pm5 will get you 10 that we will get a breaking news alert. Cheney’s fishing rod shot his guide in the face. Details at 11. snark.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:23 pmJust like being the boss at a top flight american corporation, these two bottom flight boys take the equivalent of 10 worker’s vacations.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:23 pmThere’s somethin wrong when “the few” receive all the perk.
We are back in the “robber baron day.”
February 1st, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Are you the Burger King manager or are you a priest?
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
They don’t let women be priests.
I teach Architecture at a public Charter School. Why most of my 11th and 12th grade students are males between 17 and 18.
For a so-called Skeptic, you sure do limit your options for possibilities…
February 1st, 2007 at 7:26 pmAt the same time, U.S. emissions have increased at half the rate — by just 13%, by using their made in the U.S. program to reduce emissions.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:27 pmDetails at 11.
Comment by Uncle_Ho — February 1, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
How was DC?
February 1st, 2007 at 7:27 pmI find no merit or basis in fact on this scare referred to global warming.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:28 pmAnother politically engineered scare tactic on the part of the Democrust.
I am one conservative who doesn’t doubt global warming, El Nino or the likes. Unlike many progressives, I am not “the sky is falling” alarmed about the occurence of continuing cycles. The earth has been cooling and warming since time immemorial – sometimes at a faster rate, at other times, the sediment maps demostrate the rate has been slower. In short – there is nothing you can do to stop the cycle. Recycle, reuse, etc. (you’ll feel good about doing something) – but you can’t stop the earth’s natural progression.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:29 pmDetails at 11.
Comment by Uncle_Ho
How`s your dead buddy?
I hope while you were standing out there making a fool of yourself, his image came to you time and time again, saying…….
`help me, help me`
Why not just take a .38 and do yourself the honorable thing and put the barrel in your mouth and slowly squeeze the trigger?
And think of the dead `buddy` of yours that you the same as killed while you were protesting instead of fighting along side of him.
You could have saved him.
Don`t forget to suck on that bullet first before you place that round in the chamber and then use the pistol.
Traitor.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:34 pmAt the same time, U.S. emissions have increased at half the rate — by just 13%, by using their made in the U.S. program to reduce emissions.
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
The problem isn’t that Paul Martin is a hypocrite, or that you can compare 13% to 24% to make it look ‘just’ – but that we INCREASED our already ridiculously high pollution output.
Period.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:34 pmIt will be interesting to see if Dr Chickenhawk, while fishing for baramundi, will be standing up in the boat if he fishes in any of the tributaries in Norhern Australia where all of those Big Salties are living! The nice guy that he is, I doubt it; he’ll probably send one of his secret service guys along ahead as chum. This guy and Dumbya have taken more vacations annually than most people enjoy in a lifetime!
February 1st, 2007 at 7:35 pmUnb; DC was great! Balmy day like mid-May. I had a ringside seat by the stage where the guest speakers were. Another protest in DC March 17.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:35 pmyou can’t stop the earth’s natural progression.
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
But this isn’t just the natural cycle. We’ve EXCEEDED the normal limits far beyond anything they’ve ever reached on their own…
February 1st, 2007 at 7:36 pmHmm, I read through the linked article to “freak show” and it was something called The Trumpet. Fine. Then as I read further, the article pushed an alternative reason for freakish weather — God.
It’s the first link I’ve ever found on TP that links to a religious website.
Thing is, I thought the report was intelligent, full of examples of freak weather, making its case… until I got to the part where the writer raised the possibility that God might be tweakin’ the weather to punish humans for ungodly behavior. Meaning Christian behavior, naturally.
It’s pretty slick.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:37 pmTraitor.
Comment by Sgt. Stryker USMC — February 1, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
Vile dirt bag. Get lost.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:37 pmAnother protest in DC March 17.
Comment by Uncle_Ho — February 1, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Glad to hear you had a nice view : )
Hmmm… March 17. Thanks – I will put it on my calendar.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:39 pmStryker, quit thinking you are some kind of John Wayne macho war hero. Fact: John Wayne was another chickenhawk(like you) who never had the balls to put on a uniform for real. The ONLY time he ever wore a uniform was in his movies. Go suck a grenade.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:39 pmUncle Ho -
Do you know a lot about restrictions at protests on vid camera equipment, etc? Quite a few of us are planning to attend on March 17, and my niece, a film student and an indy filmmaker, would like to bring her camera, boom mic and tripod. Any ideas if this would present a probem?
Unbelievable – from what I have read, there will be a few different events taking place from 03-16 through 03-19, the anniversay of the start of the war.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:45 pm5 will get you 10 that we will get a breaking news alert. Cheney’s fishing rod shot his guide in the face. Details at 11. snark.
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Damn, stole it right out from under me. Heh.
Hi, Uncle Ho. Feeling better?
February 1st, 2007 at 7:54 pmKat, sorry, I’m not familiar with the vid equipment & restrictions. I saw many people used their cell phones last Sat. My cameras are ancient 35mm SLRs I picked up in the Navy over 35 years ago, and I still use those.
February 1st, 2007 at 7:55 pmThanks Uncle Ho… thought I woluld give it a shot and ask someone who has attended, as we are not sure where to begin finding out about this. You sound like my husband, with his 35 mm Nikon, which is his treasure. :-)
February 1st, 2007 at 7:59 pmKat, I have Canons.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:04 pmHiya Zooey! Feeling only slightly better, but thanks. Will try to rest up more on the weekend.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:06 pmFeeling only slightly better, but thanks. Will try to rest up more on the weekend.
Comment by Uncle_Ho
I think I got your cold. Heh.
Being in class with 150-300 coughing college students, and standing in below freezing temps waiting for the bus has caught up with me, I believe. *cough*
February 1st, 2007 at 8:12 pmThe old SLR’s are great… thanks again!
February 1st, 2007 at 8:15 pmZooey; chicken soup for the soul (and body) and rest. Hope you feel better.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:20 pmUnbelievable – from what I have read, there will be a few different events taking place from 03-16 through 03-19, the anniversay of the start of the war.
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Thanks for the tip… I’ll check into it. Hopefully I will be able to make one of them.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:25 pmZooey; chicken soup for the soul (and body) and rest. Hope you feel better.
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Thanks, Uncle Ho. Oy.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:32 pm#84 – “But this isn’t just the natural cycle. We’ve EXCEEDED the normal limits far beyond anything they’ve ever reached on their own…”
Good guess – but the fact of the matter is, you don’t know that. How fast did the Ice Bridge between Europe, England and Ireland melt 13,000 years ago? How quickly did the Ice Age occur that is attributed to the demise of pre-historic dinosaurs? Fact is – you don’t know if we’ve exceeded “normal” limits or not.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pmUnbelievable,
Great job at putting Hendler and phantasyman in their place.
I bet they hate being corrected by a woman as uppity as you ;-)
(I see even Dennis Miller is a climate science expert now. Right -and I once saw something in a Bugs Bunny cartoon that disproves global warming. Ain’t this anti-science crowd something else?)
February 1st, 2007 at 8:47 pmGood guess –
No. Not a guess. There is volumes of evidence to support this. Peer supported, reviewed evidence from ALL the reputable climate experts.
but the fact of the matter is, you don’t know that.
Yes, we do. The evidence doesn’t lie.
How fast did the Ice Bridge between Europe, England and Ireland melt 13,000 years ago? How quickly did the Ice Age occur that is attributed to the demise of pre-historic dinosaurs? Fact is – you don’t know if we’ve exceeded “normal†limits or not.
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Again, just because you haven’t discovered the facts doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Go do your homework. Learn about the ice core results. They are irrefutable…
February 1st, 2007 at 8:50 pmThanks Gregor… They make it too easy though. Can’t we get some educated trolls? Oh wait, that’s not possible … :)
The Anti-Science crowd certainly proves that the will to deceive oneself is potent. You can rationalize damn near anything as long as you are willing to suspend any and all aspects of reality…
I hope in our next evolutionary iteration (if we don’t blow ourselves up first), that we develop a sense of reality… Opposable thumbs are nice, but a fully-developed brain to operate them would be a nice upgrade…
February 1st, 2007 at 8:56 pmQuite a few of us are planning to attend on March 17, and my niece, a film student and an indy filmmaker, would like to bring her camera, boom mic and tripod. Any ideas if this would present a probem?
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Other than me shoving all three in your ass when I see you?
No.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:58 pmOther than me shoving all three in your ass when I see you?
Comment by Sgt. Stryker USMC — February 1, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I told you to shove off gas bag. That’s an order!
February 1st, 2007 at 9:02 pmOther than me shoving all three in your ass when I see you?
Comment by Sgt. Stryker USMC — February 1, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I told you to shove off gas bag. That’s an order grunt!
February 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pmEducated guesses (hypothesises) are correct sometimes. Sometimes they are not. But the FACT remains you will not be able to stop the cyclical order of nature – whatever her time frame.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:09 pmSgt Stryker; you are here by busted to PRIVATE Stryker and ordered to be keelhauled………from an aircraft carrier. by order of CNO Admiral Uncle Ho.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:09 pmDennis Miller, History buff vs. Unbelievable, architecture expert, discussing climate change. Yep, that sounds about right to me.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:12 pmROFLMAO @ general unbelievable…. and thanks.
The TP regulars are great people. I may not comment often, but I have visited this site this site for a long time and it is so nice to find free thinkers, like minded people, I cannot express my gratitude and admiration enough.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:12 pmthanks to you also Uncle Ho…
February 1st, 2007 at 9:16 pmI’ll be there with bells on Stryker, give it your best shot, whatever that’s worth.
Nothing could keep me away from that protest on March 17, as my nephew heads off to Iraq. Sorry, I am not for anything happening to this boy over a lie and a pursuit for domination of the world’s oil.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:20 pmRighto, here I am and here I go:
Sorry to say fantasyman, but UB is right, the temperature curve is off the reservation there, Tonto. And anyone can see if you look at the average CEO and stockbroker compensation that the two are are strongly correlated.
And what do obscenely-paid CEOs and stockbrokers do with that wedge? Why they hit the strip clubs, of course. Any misogynist knows that lap dances produce heat, a lot of heat. And everyone knows that nobody puts strip clubs out in the middle of BFE, so the temperature rise is local – urban heat islands.
Enforce the 6 foot rule at the clubs- no more global warming…
February 1st, 2007 at 9:23 pmDennis Miller put it best when he said that he doesn’t trust the “accurate†temperature readings of people who still crapped in outhouses. He’s, of course, referring to the fact that there was little to no indoor plumbing 100 years ago. I too have to question the complete accuracy of those readings compared to that done using today’s technology. And, globally, we’re talking about a spike of less than 1 degree in a hundred years??? Creighton and Hendler just might have a point here…
Comment by phantasyman — February 1, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Now Dennis Miller is an expert! Wow 100 years ago. Try this- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727 , Egyptians about 5000 years ago, and the Mayans about 4000 years ago- do you have any idea what they accomplished ? You people are morons.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:29 pmDennis Miller – climate scientist, nope, antiquities expert, nope, comedian, nope
UB – doesn’t matter because UB argues from the peer-reviewed facts as agreed by the vast majority of the world scientific community.
Oh and Dennis, just over 100 years ago one of these people who couldn’t run a bathroom properly, managed instead to unlock the secrets of gravity… I doubt if you Dennis would even know what we are talking about.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:39 pmEnforce the 6 foot rule at the clubs- no more global warming…
Comment by Jason Fact Mangler — February 1, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
I think that might explain the “heat Island effect”. Lap dancing-heat-consentrated area-bingo–heat island.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:40 pmAnd what have you done to combat climate change Joefriday?
I’ve cut my visits to Fantasygirls down from 4 to 2 nights a week.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:43 pmDennis Miller, History buff vs. Unbelievable, architecture expert, discussing climate change. Yep, that sounds about right to me.
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
In other words, you’ve got nothing…
Didn’t think so. It’s tough to actually open a second browser, type in http://www.google.com, then type ‘ice core study global warming’, actually click on a link and read a few paragraphs. Much easier to just type that nonsense instead.
Point. Match. Game.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:51 pmAnd what have you done to combat climate change Joefriday?
I’ve cut my visits to Fantasygirls down from 4 to 2 nights a week.
Comment by Jason Fact Mangler — February 1, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I now deploy large rolls of tin foil to deflect the awesom heating effect of sun spots and use an inverted hockey stick.:) sarc/ Sorry for not using sarc/ on last post I thought most would know.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:51 pmI cannot express my gratitude and admiration enough.
Comment by Kat — February 1, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
You certainly fit right in yourself : )
Hope you’ll contribute more. Granted it will probably get you stalked by an insane troll on occasion – but I guess you’re not officially a regular until you have a papparazzi problem : )
February 1st, 2007 at 9:53 pmForget the temperature readings, look at the evidence.
February 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pmEnforce the 6 foot rule at the clubs- no more global warming…
Comment by Jason Fact Mangler — February 1, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
I’m laughing so hard, I’m crying… Too funny!
February 1st, 2007 at 9:56 pm“Other than me shoving all three in your ass when I see you?”
Comment by Sgt. Stryker USMC — February 1, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I think that the mean-spirited, hate-filled, cowardly little troll threatened to commit an assault. Someone call the police!
Run you little yellow troll coward, run!
February 1st, 2007 at 9:56 pmOh and Dennis, just over 100 years ago one of these people who couldn’t run a bathroom properly, managed instead to unlock the secrets of gravity… I doubt if you Dennis would even know what we are talking about.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 1, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
You mean the Theory of Gravity? The Christianists call it “Intelligent Falling” :D
Terry, dude, you are a riot…
February 1st, 2007 at 10:00 pmI have to head off to bed… but I am wondering
did anyone else see this:
‘Giving new meaning to ’smoke and mirrors’
The US government wants the world’s scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming, the Guardian has learned. It says research into techniques such as giant mirrors in space or reflective dust pumped into the atmosphere would be “important insurance†against rising emissions, and has lobbied for such a strategy to be recommended by a major UN report on climate change, the first part of which will be published on Friday.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/30/giving-new-meaning-to-smoke-and-mirrors/
Sadly, not a joke!
February 1st, 2007 at 10:03 pmAlright, alright.
We have glaciers on the equator. Barely discovered one hundred years ago, now disappearing in 20 years.
February 1st, 2007 at 10:05 pmThanks unbelievable… I think I need to become a little more thick-skinned with the nutsy trolls… you all are so good at deflecting their rants!
Good Night!!!
February 1st, 2007 at 10:11 pmWill these be pre-caught fish?
February 1st, 2007 at 10:13 pmThx for the shout out UB – I should’ve said “And Dennis you aren’t qualified to wipe his ass”.
As for riots – I might have to be in one if the Iran caper gets going so that’s prophetic.
February 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pmLike most people, I appreciate the advances in scientific theory and technology. I appreciate the fact we no longer use “blood-letting” and “leeches” for their curative powers. I’m delighted surgeons started washing their hands. I believe modern anesthesia is more beneficial to a patient than biting on a stick. I also appreciate the fact that just thirty years ago, eminent scientists were predicting world-wide glaciers.
February 1st, 2007 at 10:21 pmKat – It does take some getting used to… But, after a day with teenagers, I just take them with the same grain of salt…
Terry – just calling it like it is. : )
Night all!
February 1st, 2007 at 10:27 pmI appreciate the fact we no longer use “blood-letting†and “leeches†for their curative powers.
Comment by valiant venus.
Are you sure about that?
And provide some evidence of “eminent scientists predicted worlwide glaciers”
February 1st, 2007 at 10:51 pmDon’t look at CNN.com right now if you are Jason or Roger, or Senator Inhofe.
February 1st, 2007 at 10:53 pmYep – I would figure you to be diverse enough to go in for a little leech therapy; I usually refer to the leeches as the IRS.
“There was a paper by S. Ichtiaque Rasool and Stephen H. Schneider, published in the journal Science in July 1971. Titled “Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate,” (aerosols and other particulants were thought to block the warming rays of the sun.)
“At a conference on climate change held in Boulder, Colorado in 1965, evidence supporting Milankovitch cycles triggered speculation on how the calculated small changes in sunlight might somehow trigger ice ages…..
The Washington Post reports that in 1974 the National Science Board, the governing body of the National Science Foundation, stated:[17]
During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade.” and “At the same time that these discussions were ongoing in scientific circles, a more dramatic account appeared in the popular media, notably an April 28, 1975 article in Newsweek magazine. Titled “The Cooling World,” it pointed to “ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change” and pointed to “a drop of half a degree [Fahrenheit] in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.”
You’re welcome.
February 1st, 2007 at 11:19 pmLike most people, I appreciate the advances in scientific theory and technology. I appreciate the fact we no longer use “blood-letting†and “leeches†for their curative powers. I’m delighted surgeons started washing their hands. I believe modern anesthesia is more beneficial to a patient than biting on a stick. I also appreciate the fact that just thirty years ago, eminent scientists were predicting world-wide glaciers.
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Lucky for us, they kept studying and getting smarter and taking more measurements and testing their theories against the real data. We could have just said “Right that’s it, it’s going to get cold unless Jesus moves the Rapture up a few centuries, everyone get your prayer beads out”.
Even further back, I mean if we’d let the religious nutters put the hooey on science back when Galileo was around, I mean we’d still be sticking flowers up our noses to ward off the pox, eh?
February 1st, 2007 at 11:30 pmWhy I am Republican:
Dale Earnhardt was a Republican-Dale Earnhardt was my hero
Dale earnhardt used to love to hunt and fish.I love to hunt and fish
Dale Earnhardt loved NASCAR stock car rcaing-I love stcok car racing
Dick Cheney is a Republican-Dick Cheney is also one of my heroes
Dick Cheney loves to hunt and fish-I love to hunt and fish
Dick Cheney loves Nascar stock car racing-I love Nascar stock car racing.
I love every one of the things my two natural born heros loved.
Isn`t it easy to see why I`m not a Democrat?
February 1st, 2007 at 11:35 pmThe choice is a natural one.
Go Dick!
I was like the that the first time I had strong beer….
February 1st, 2007 at 11:41 pm[...]a more dramatic account appeared in the popular media, notably an April 28, 1975 article in Newsweek magazine. Titled “The Cooling World,†it pointed to “ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to changeâ€
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Right, and we all know what a great scientific reference Newsweek Magazine is: They check they facts, re-check, and when they’re done -they check them again.
For your enjoyment, Mighty Aphrodite/Valiant Venus:
Every now and again, the myth that “we shouldn’t believe global warming predictions now, because in the 1970’s they were predicting an ice age and/or cooling” surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column (see Will-full ignorance) and the egregious Crichton manages to say “in the 1970’s all the climate scientists believed an ice age was coming” [...] But its not an argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles under analysis. That doesn’t stop it repeatedly cropping up in newsgroups though.
The global cooling myth
It seems you, Crichton, Will, Hendler, et al, are not respectable nor knowledgeable skeptics -which is just as well, since I’ve long believed you are simply wanton fabricators.
It is also worth noting that the forecasts on global cooling didn’t have the strong scientific consensus that exists nowadays regarding global warming. Here is another resource for you:
The lesson to take from this is the obvious one: not to take your science stories from the mass media if you can possibly find better sources. Which nowadays are readily available: the IPCC report for a solid review of the state of the science
Global cooling, again
Lesson that the rest of us will probably learn. You and your lot, on the other hand, have repeatedly proven yourselves immune to facts…
February 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 am[...]a more dramatic account appeared in the popular media, notably an April 28, 1975 article in Newsweek magazine. Titled “The Cooling World,†it pointed to “ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to changeâ€
Comment by valiant venus — February 1, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Right, and we all know what a great scientific reference Newsweek Magazine is: They check they facts, re-check, and when they’re done -they check them again.
For your enjoyment, Mighty Aphrodite/Valiant Venus:
Every now and again, the myth that “we shouldn’t believe global warming predictions now, because in the 1970’s they were predicting an ice age and/or cooling” surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column (see Will-full ignorance) and the egregious Crichton manages to say “in the 1970’s all the climate scientists believed an ice age was coming” [...] But its not an argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles under analysis. That doesn’t stop it repeatedly cropping up in newsgroups though.
The global cooling myth
It seems you, Crichton, Will, Hendler, et al, are not respectable nor knowledgeable skeptics -which is just as well, since I’ve long believed you are simply wanton fabricators.
February 2nd, 2007 at 1:59 amhttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_5136201
Wind Farms/House Bill 1150
Tangent; Alternative energy.
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:12 amIsn`t it easy to see why I`m not a Democrat?
The choice is a natural one.
Go Dick!
Comment by Wendell in Wyoming
Pity you can’t think for yourself. Dick Cheney also has two DWI’s
Do you also drive drunk? Is driving drunk a heroic deed?
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 amThe NSM Woman’s Division would like YOU to attend another of our rallies, you are in luck! We have 5 rallies coming up this summer. I will email you with the particulars. It looks like you have quite a few more posters than you did last year, this ought to bolster our presence in futeure rallies. Please try to spread the word to your posters and your staff that you are welcome to attend our rallies with open arms at anytime you so desire. Our hospitality during demonstrations is second to none. Thanks for volunteering last year with the food and drinks wagon TP posters and staff. It was a blast!
Hope to see you again this year.
February 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 amWe`ll bring the beer brats!
All are welcome!
Tell a friend!
Wendell from Wyoming; Dickhead Cheney is also a cowardly draft-dodger.
Are you also a coward?
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:35 am
What an incredibly biased and inaccurate post. Tasmania is a state, not a country. The bush fires mentioned (I was there) were hardly in arid areas, they were in thick eucalypt forest and were started by careless use of camp fires, others were believed the work of criminal arsonists. The spread of the fires was exacerbated by high fuel loads. Environmentalists had protested against proper management of that fuel by forestry authorities.
I’ve lived in Tasmania my whole life and haven’t seen or heard of any of the coral or fish species mentioned. About all you got right is that it’s been hot this year and low rainfall.
If you want to be heard keep it credible with less sensationalism thanks.
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