Comments on: 55. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: College Funding Center http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4719990 College Funding Center Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:30:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-4719990 <strong>College Funding Center</strong> Please keep these excellent posts coming. College Funding Center

Please keep these excellent posts coming.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1633243 big papa Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:24:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1633243 <strong>DRAFT grandma vivian and the rest of those 33%'ers...</strong> DRAFT grandma vivian and the rest of those 33%’ers…

]]> By: doug http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1627136 doug Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:26:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1627136 33% believe U.S. combat troops should remain in Iraq “until our mission is accomplished.” What is the "mission?" How will you know when it is accomplished? If you go into grade one in school the mission is in ten months to pass all the courses. You know you have accomplished the mission when you get a report from your school saying you passed. You failed in your mission when you get a report that you have failed. So when will we know what the mission is in Iraq? Unless you know that you can never succeed and you can never fail. Until then we just don't know what the hell we are talking about, period. Do any of the 30% understand this. There is no USA "mission" in Iraq. Unless be go back to the false claims that there were weapons of mass destruction and the lies that Saddam was in cahoots with Al Quaida. In other words the so called mission itself was a lie from day one. Because of those lies by the President of the USA that lead to the death of more Americans than were killed in the attacks on the World Trade Centre in New York there is only one logical mission and that is to impeach the President and his accomplices. 33% believe U.S. combat troops should remain in Iraq “until our mission is accomplished.”

What is the “mission?”

How will you know when it is accomplished?

If you go into grade one in school the mission is in ten months to pass all the courses.

You know you have accomplished the mission when you get a report from your school saying you passed.

You failed in your mission when you get a report that you have failed.

So when will we know what the mission is in Iraq? Unless you know that you can never succeed and you can never fail. Until then we just don’t know what the hell we are talking about, period.

Do any of the 30% understand this. There is no USA “mission” in Iraq. Unless be go back to the false claims that there were weapons of mass destruction and the lies that Saddam was in cahoots with Al Quaida. In other words the so called mission itself was a lie from day one.

Because of those lies by the President of the USA that lead to the death of more Americans than were killed in the attacks on the World Trade Centre in New York there is only one logical mission and that is to impeach the President and his accomplices.

]]> By: jjcomet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1626283 jjcomet Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:09:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1626283 Grandma Vivian must be high on her Osteo-Biflex. "Just what is the Commander in Chief- A military leader. Just what is the Secretary of Defense- Commander in Chiefs Head Warmaker If they are not military leaders then I don`t know what is. Do you?" Wrong you old dipshit. The President and SecDef are CIVILIAN leaders who have authority over the military . Of course, I am not surprised you are too stupid to understand that distinction. Put your teeth back in and take a bite out of reality, granny... Grandma Vivian must be high on her Osteo-Biflex.

“Just what is the Commander in Chief- A military leader.
Just what is the Secretary of Defense- Commander in Chiefs Head Warmaker
If they are not military leaders then I don`t know what is.
Do you?”

Wrong you old dipshit. The President and SecDef are CIVILIAN leaders who have authority over the military . Of course, I am not surprised you are too stupid to understand that distinction. Put your teeth back in and take a bite out of reality, granny…

]]> By: Rajeev Vashisht http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1626056 Rajeev Vashisht Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:29:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1626056 I think its time an International Organisation is formed to fight terrorism and all states who are evidenced funding terrorism should be sent back to stone age. http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com I think its time an International Organisation is formed to fight terrorism and all states who are evidenced funding terrorism should be sent back to stone age.

http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com

]]> By: Liberal in New Mexico http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1625807 Liberal in New Mexico Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:09:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1625807 #21- Thanks. I appreciate your help. #21- Thanks. I appreciate your help.

]]> By: Fast Eddie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1621729 Fast Eddie Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:19:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1621729 How many of those 33% so you suppose can actually tell you what our "mission" is at this point, the one that absolutely must be "accomplished?" The only problem I have with cutting the funding is that I believe this president would still send the troops over on tricycles carrying six-shooters and aluminum foil "body armor," then when they all start dying he'll blame the Democrats for not funding them. This president doesn't care about the lives of his soldiers; they're political fodder for him. He's a sociopath. How many of those 33% so you suppose can actually tell you what our “mission” is at this point, the one that absolutely must be “accomplished?”

The only problem I have with cutting the funding is that I believe this president would still send the troops over on tricycles carrying six-shooters and aluminum foil “body armor,” then when they all start dying he’ll blame the Democrats for not funding them. This president doesn’t care about the lives of his soldiers; they’re political fodder for him. He’s a sociopath.

]]> By: grandma vivian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1621570 grandma vivian Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:40:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1621570 Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public. Strong military leaders includes the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE and ths COMMANDER IN CHIEF No? Just what is the Commander in Chief- A military leader. Just what is the Secretary of Defense- Commander in Chiefs Head Warmaker If they are not military leaders then I don`t know what is. Do you? Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public.

Strong military leaders includes the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
and ths COMMANDER IN CHIEF

No?

Just what is the Commander in Chief- A military leader.
Just what is the Secretary of Defense- Commander in Chiefs Head Warmaker

If they are not military leaders then I don`t know what is.
Do you?

]]> By: Rueful http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1621231 Rueful Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:18:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1621231 <i>Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public. </i> Grandma Vivian -- A point of clarification: Our military leaders do <b>not</b> dictate policy in Iraq. That policy is determined by the president and the secretary of defense. Our military leaders may be strong, but they are not the ones determining our policy in Iraq. Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public.

Grandma Vivian — A point of clarification: Our military leaders do not dictate policy in Iraq. That policy is determined by the president and the secretary of defense. Our military leaders may be strong, but they are not the ones determining our policy in Iraq.

]]> By: grandma vivian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1621054 grandma vivian Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:05:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1621054 A Texan in Bavaria — I don`t believe you at all. You are towing the same line as someone else I know at this site. I think *you* are *they* in disguise. Your words give you away everytime. A Texan in Bavaria —

I don`t believe you at all.

You are towing the same line as someone else I know at this site.

I think *you* are *they* in disguise. Your words give you away everytime.

]]> By: USA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1620997 USA Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:56:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1620997 It's safe to assume that this 33% of the public has 0% empathy for the death and destruction happening to Iraq, Iraqis and the soldiers. These people are heartless sociopaths/primates. It’s safe to assume that this 33% of the public has 0% empathy for the death and destruction happening to Iraq, Iraqis and the soldiers. These people are heartless sociopaths/primates.

]]> By: A Texan in Bavaria http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1620996 A Texan in Bavaria Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:56:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1620996 I work for an evil defense contractor at an Army post in Germany, with a bunch of retired officers and NCOs (non-commissioned officers; that is, enlistees who worked their way up to various Sargeant ranks). These guys are just a few years out and often in the Reserves. All the ones in the Reserves have been called up at least once since "retiring," and one who separated as a captain after only five years in (served out his college obligation, but not the career he wanted, after all) just got called up off the IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) list. Kosovo is the favored "downrange" assignment (but that's only National Guard these days), and Afghanistan is fervently hoped for if you get called up. They talk about assignments to Iraq in hushed tones, with strained voices. The soldiers will (99% of them) do what they're told to, and do it well and honorably. The pity is that there's not really anything specific that they can be told to do that will turn Iraq into a peaceful, stable democracy, and they know that. It's breaking the Army, they keep saying. Very little mention of Vietnam by the retired officers who believe they were stabbed in the back and could have won it.... eventually, but plenty by the ones who believed it was a mistake from the get-go. One of the most anti-Iraq war ones likes to tell this joke: What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam. I remember hearing it around December 2004. I work for an evil defense contractor at an Army post in Germany, with a bunch of retired officers and NCOs (non-commissioned officers; that is, enlistees who worked their way up to various Sargeant ranks). These guys are just a few years out and often in the Reserves. All the ones in the Reserves have been called up at least once since “retiring,” and one who separated as a captain after only five years in (served out his college obligation, but not the career he wanted, after all) just got called up off the IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) list.

Kosovo is the favored “downrange” assignment (but that’s only National Guard these days), and Afghanistan is fervently hoped for if you get called up.

They talk about assignments to Iraq in hushed tones, with strained voices.

The soldiers will (99% of them) do what they’re told to, and do it well and honorably. The pity is that there’s not really anything specific that they can be told to do that will turn Iraq into a peaceful, stable democracy, and they know that.

It’s breaking the Army, they keep saying. Very little mention of Vietnam by the retired officers who believe they were stabbed in the back and could have won it…. eventually, but plenty by the ones who believed it was a mistake from the get-go.

One of the most anti-Iraq war ones likes to tell this joke:

What’s the difference between Vietnam and Iraq?

Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam.

I remember hearing it around December 2004.

]]> By: grandma vivian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1620864 grandma vivian Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:48:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1620864 55% eh? Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public. Not the by and large ” non military ecperienced ” general public. Let the professionals handle this. And it may not hurt to get in there and try to support our military in what they are trying to acieve instead of cutting and running without so much as dousing the campfire or untying the horses. That is sheer cowardice and a reality copout. Why do most Americans hate America? Why do most Americans hate the troops? How come most Americans want to hurt the troops’ morale? 55% eh?

Well fortunately for us as a nation we have strong military leaders dictating policy in Iraq, not the general public. Not the by and large ” non military ecperienced ” general public.

Let the professionals handle this. And it may not hurt to get in there and try to support our military in what they are trying to acieve instead of cutting and running without so much as dousing the campfire or untying the horses. That is sheer cowardice and a reality copout.

Why do most Americans hate America?
Why do most Americans hate the troops?
How come most Americans want to hurt the troops’ morale?

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1620463 Gregor Samsa Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:14:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1620463 Grandma vivian, You forgot a few talking points. Let me help you: Why do most Americans hate America? Why do most Americans hate the troops? How come most Americans want to hurt the troops' morale? No idiotic comment is ever complete without these... Grandma vivian,

You forgot a few talking points. Let me help you:

Why do most Americans hate America?
Why do most Americans hate the troops?
How come most Americans want to hurt the troops’ morale?

No idiotic comment is ever complete without these…

]]> By: DM http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1619673 DM Sat, 03 Feb 2007 05:04:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1619673 Here's what I find incredibly stupid. The same people who right now are saying "you don't just cut and run" were the people who four years ago were saying "why don't we nuke the place and turn it into a parking lot." I find it hard to belive that there is anything other than selfish pride playing into the resistance to move US forces out of the most unwise military engagement in American history. We really should leave now while we can. Here’s what I find incredibly stupid. The same people who right now are saying “you don’t just cut and run” were the people who four years ago were saying “why don’t we nuke the place and turn it into a parking lot.”

I find it hard to belive that there is anything other than selfish pride playing into the resistance to move US forces out of the most unwise military engagement in American history.

We really should leave now while we can.

]]> By: Martin of Earth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1619186 Martin of Earth Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:03:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1619186 <strong>Simply withdrawing from Iraq is not satisfactory. We cannot let the place continue to deteriorate. </strong> We've got to work on a solution, even if it meant dividing the country into Shiites and Sunnis (not that I'm saying that's the solution). We should get neighbouring countries to help out. Of course, this would be easier if the USA had moral authority. A heartfelt apology from Bush to the people of the Middle East would help develop America's moral authority. Simply withdrawing from Iraq is not satisfactory. We cannot let the place continue to deteriorate.

We’ve got to work on a solution, even if it meant dividing the country into Shiites and Sunnis (not that I’m saying that’s the solution). We should get neighbouring countries to help out.

Of course, this would be easier if the USA had moral authority. A heartfelt apology from Bush to the people of the Middle East would help develop America’s moral authority.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1619090 Jay Randal Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:43:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1619090 There is that crazy 33% who believe that Bush's Iraq Fiasco War can be won > lol. There is that crazy 33% who believe that Bush’s Iraq Fiasco War can be won > lol.

]]> By: what now toons http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1618945 what now toons Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:24:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1618945 The percentage of Americans against this war is growing daiy. Hell, even the Republicans are questioning the Decider's war powers. Arlen Specter's questioning of Bush's war powers made me think of another dark time in our nations history, the McCarthy era. A time when the people were also terrorized by their government. Lives and careers were ruined by this man's which hunt for communists, hiding under each and every American's bed. Then came the day during the McCarthy hearings that Joseph Welch spoke back to this monster, with the simple phrase, "At long last, have you no sense of decency, sir?" That Moment began McCarthy's downfall. Now we have a Republican challenging Bush's war power's with a similar moment. Let us hope that history can repeat itself, and now can be the beginning of Bush's downfall. Another bully bites the dust. I had to make this the topic of my latest cartoon, see it at my website www.whatnowtoons.com The percentage of Americans against this war is growing daiy. Hell, even the Republicans are questioning the Decider’s war powers.
Arlen Specter’s questioning of Bush’s war powers made me think of another dark time in our nations history, the McCarthy era. A time when the people were also terrorized by their government. Lives and careers were ruined by this man’s which hunt for communists, hiding under each and every American’s bed. Then came the day during the McCarthy hearings that Joseph Welch spoke back to this monster, with the simple phrase, “At long last, have you no sense of decency, sir?” That Moment began McCarthy’s downfall.
Now we have a Republican challenging Bush’s war power’s with a similar moment. Let us hope that history can repeat itself, and now can be the beginning of Bush’s downfall. Another bully bites the dust.
I had to make this the topic of my latest cartoon, see it at my website
http://www.whatnowtoons.com

]]> By: Dr. Wu http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1618821 Dr. Wu Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:04:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1618821 The "surge" is grossly misunderstood, and opposition thereto is sadly misguided. The President just wants to give ten or twenty thousand more American soldiers the opportunity to enjoy being showered with flowers, as they stroll through Baghdad en route to George W. Bush Square. The “surge” is grossly misunderstood, and opposition thereto is sadly misguided. The President just wants to give ten or twenty thousand more American soldiers the opportunity to enjoy being showered with flowers, as they stroll through Baghdad en route to George W. Bush Square.

]]> By: gogreen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1618815 gogreen Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:03:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/55-2/#comment-1618815 <em>55 + 33 = 88. What about the other 12%? I personally think that this figure is a little low. Where was this poll conducted, and by whom? What are Rasmussun’s credentials? Why is there so little fact accompanyng this item? What kind of a news item is this? Comment by Liberal in New Mexico — February 2, 2007 @ 9:47 pm</em> there's some more info <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2007/January%20Dailies/TroopTimetable.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> 55 + 33 = 88. What about the other 12%? I personally think that this figure is a little low. Where was this poll conducted, and by whom? What are Rasmussun’s credentials? Why is there so little fact accompanyng this item? What kind of a news item is this?

Comment by Liberal in New Mexico — February 2, 2007 @ 9:47 pm

there’s some more info here

]]>