Comments on: NIE Undermines Administration Claim That Iran Is ‘Igniting’ Violence In Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: bjobotts http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1641842 bjobotts Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:33:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1641842 I keep noticing so many posts are 'observational' and usually include lines to the effect of ..."if the American people would just'...or ..."when will we wake up to...why can't we see that...we should just...it's time to"...etc., etc., that I've come to the conclusion that the American population is more informed than ever about the current dis-functioning of this administration's foreign policies. The NIE is also just a statement of what is and what will be if it goes on like this. I do not find what WE can do to stop it, on all fronts. It is all smoke and mirrors though, for no matter what our policy is, to maintain our foothold(Iraq) in the middle east, is to protect and maintain our (corporate) interests (oil). It is neocon imperialism. It is desperate because our entire economy, including the physical being of our populace is dependent on oil. It is urgent because once we attack Iran, the neocon agenda of world dominance(which would include increased terror and violence even up to a WWIII) is unstoppable. The only thing I know TO DO is: Inform everyone I know; Write my representatives in congress making them aware of the urgency of this foreign policy blunder; Write the committee chairmen in the Senate; Urge Pelosi to form a committee that could somehow strategize a way to make it possible to be able to REMOVE CHENEY/BUSH from office without due process due to a threat to national security and charge them with treason before going through the process of impeachment; stand ready to take up arms to back the congress against the executive branch. Next on the TO DO list is Corporate reform: regaining excessive war-time profits; fines and accountability for fraud, waste, bribery and corruption; putting a cap on CEO benefits; mandatory profit sharing and health insurance; making them liable (if they want equal protection under the law like a 'real' person, then like a 'real' person the entity must have a life span and then DIE, not continue to grow for centuries); have civic responsibilities during times of national emergency and not profiteer at times of tragedy(Exxon/Mobile 2006 profit of $39.5 billion--Come on..during War. what next..."Hey, Katrina victims have a bottle of water for $10."). Our best defense and Offense against this administration's foreign policy, to stop the war, to battle the Giant Corporations IS our Congress. We must force them to act. So please, share your ideas of what to DO...what actions we can take now because the situation is EXTREMELY URGENT. I keep noticing so many posts are ‘observational’ and usually include lines to the effect of …”if the American people would just’…or …”when will we wake up to…why can’t we see that…we should just…it’s time to”…etc., etc., that I’ve come to the conclusion that the American population is more informed than ever about the current dis-functioning of this administration’s foreign policies. The NIE is also just a statement of what is and what will be if it goes on like this. I do not find what WE can do to stop it, on all fronts. It is all smoke and mirrors though, for no matter what our policy is, to maintain our foothold(Iraq) in the middle east, is to protect and maintain our (corporate) interests (oil). It is neocon imperialism. It is desperate because our entire economy, including the physical being of our populace is dependent on oil. It is urgent because once we attack Iran, the neocon agenda of world dominance(which would include increased terror and violence even up to a WWIII) is unstoppable. The only thing I know TO DO is: Inform everyone I know; Write my representatives in congress making them aware of the urgency of this foreign policy blunder; Write the committee chairmen in the Senate; Urge Pelosi to form a committee that could somehow strategize a way to make it possible to be able to REMOVE CHENEY/BUSH from office without due process due to a threat to national security and charge them with treason before going through the process of impeachment; stand ready to take up arms to back the congress against the executive branch. Next on the TO DO list is Corporate reform: regaining excessive war-time profits; fines and accountability for fraud, waste, bribery and corruption; putting a cap on CEO benefits; mandatory profit sharing and health insurance; making them liable (if they want equal protection under the law like a ‘real’ person, then like a ‘real’ person the entity must have a life span and then DIE, not continue to grow for centuries); have civic responsibilities during times of national emergency and not profiteer at times of tragedy(Exxon/Mobile 2006 profit of $39.5 billion–Come on..during War. what next…”Hey, Katrina victims have a bottle of water for $10.”). Our best defense and Offense against this administration’s foreign policy, to stop the war, to battle the Giant Corporations IS our Congress. We must force them to act. So please, share your ideas of what to DO…what actions we can take now because the situation is EXTREMELY URGENT.

]]> By: nuclearclock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1633431 nuclearclock Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:11:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1633431 Tick, tick... Dwight Eisenhower said, referring to the presidency, "God Help us if we get someone in there that doesn't know anything about the military". Even worse, we have an oil man from Texas with zero combat experience, a military industrial complex that is now so far out of control they have silenced 80% of the Congress, oil's insane price level - spiked by the prospect of a devastating regional war - now ironically fueling the violence to an exponential degree to the delight of Chinese, Russian and Chech explosives makers, a U.S. Senate with only a hand full of intelligent people who aren't sleeping at night right now because they are worrying about the imminent future of this country and probably worst of all a dumb and dumber population with the collective intellect of an ostrich. Tick, tick my friends. Tick, tick… Dwight Eisenhower said, referring to the presidency, “God Help us if we get someone in there that doesn’t know anything about the military”. Even worse, we have an oil man from Texas with zero combat experience, a military industrial complex that is now so far out of control they have silenced 80% of the Congress, oil’s insane price level – spiked by the prospect of a devastating regional war – now ironically fueling the violence to an exponential degree to the delight of Chinese, Russian and Chech explosives makers, a U.S. Senate with only a hand full of intelligent people who aren’t sleeping at night right now because they are worrying about the imminent future of this country and probably worst of all a dumb and dumber population with the collective intellect of an ostrich. Tick, tick my friends.

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1631508 valiant venus Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:56:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1631508 56- "I wonder how much the networks are charging for commercial time during their broadcasts of WWIII, scheduled to begin in mid-March…" It already started, you're just a little slow on the uptake 56- “I wonder how much the networks are charging for commercial time during their broadcasts of WWIII, scheduled to begin in mid-March…”

It already started, you’re just a little slow on the uptake

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1631501 valiant venus Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:55:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1631501 Thank you Amanda and the National Intelligence (?) <em>ESTIMATE</em>! I am SOOOOO relieved to hear Shiite Iran has no interest in a Shiite dominated Iraq - whew!! I'm even more delighted that IE's are <em>not </em> coming from Iran. Come to think of it, I have about as much respect for the Estimate as I do Jimmy Carter - NONE, ZERO....zilch. Thank you Amanda and the National Intelligence (?) ESTIMATE! I am SOOOOO relieved to hear Shiite Iran has no interest in a Shiite dominated Iraq – whew!! I’m even more delighted that IE’s are not coming from Iran. Come to think of it, I have about as much respect for the Estimate as I do Jimmy Carter – NONE, ZERO….zilch.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1617831 Briseadh na Faire Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:09:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1617831 Ok. Now, bear in mind that this is a public release of previously classified information, declassified at the behest of the White House. We do not get to see the rest of the NIE. But <strong>this cherry-picked intelligence supports an indefinite presence of U.S. troops in Iraq <em>and</em> lays the groundwork for justifying pre-emptive strikes against both Syria and Iran.</strong> The Bush Doctrine is one of pre-emptive strikes. I wonder how much the networks are charging for commercial time during their broadcasts of WWIII, scheduled to begin in mid-March... Ok. Now, bear in mind that this is a public release of previously classified information, declassified at the behest of the White House.

We do not get to see the rest of the NIE. But this cherry-picked intelligence supports an indefinite presence of U.S. troops in Iraq and lays the groundwork for justifying pre-emptive strikes against both Syria and Iran.

The Bush Doctrine is one of pre-emptive strikes.

I wonder how much the networks are charging for commercial time during their broadcasts of WWIII, scheduled to begin in mid-March…

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1617561 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:56:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1617561 Kahoneez, there are 14 new permanent ones going up in Iraq along with an "embassy" bigger than Vatican City. There's only one general way to deal with this: corporations have too much political power in the U.S. It's way past time to take that power away from them. Kahoneez, there are 14 new permanent ones going up in Iraq along with an “embassy” bigger than Vatican City.

There’s only one general way to deal with this: corporations have too much political power in the U.S. It’s way past time to take that power away from them.

]]> By: Kahoneez http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1617105 Kahoneez Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:12:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1617105 Can we dispense with the " spreading democracy " propaganda, it's all LIE . Gawd all mighty, read Chalmers Johnson, read Smedley Butler and read Greg Palast , then you'll get a clear picture ,that it's all about neocon Imperialsim. A. they deal with dictators as along they agree with U.S. foreign policy. B. They need an excuse to invade, build military bases, and take control of<strong> resources</strong>, whether it's Cobalt in Africa, that the military wants for space weaponry, oil in Africa and Oil in Iraq and Iran, with the stated goal of cutting off China's supply and control prices. The U.S. has over 1000 military bases in various sizes all over the planet (Chalmers Johnson,preeminent EXPERT) to control oil routes, oil wells, and current and proposed pipelines. I.E. Afghanistan, where the oil pipeline deal was signed weeks after Bush dropped Karzai, into the country, Karzai, former UNOCAL OIL Consultant. Can we dispense with the ” spreading democracy ” propaganda, it’s all LIE . Gawd all mighty, read Chalmers Johnson, read Smedley Butler and read Greg Palast , then you’ll get a clear picture ,that it’s all about neocon Imperialsim.
A. they deal with dictators as along they agree with U.S. foreign policy.
B. They need an excuse to invade, build military bases, and take control of resources, whether it’s Cobalt in Africa, that the military wants for space weaponry, oil in Africa and Oil in Iraq and Iran, with the stated goal of cutting off China’s supply and control prices.
The U.S. has over 1000 military bases in various sizes all over the planet (Chalmers Johnson,preeminent EXPERT) to control oil routes, oil wells, and current and proposed pipelines. I.E. Afghanistan, where the oil pipeline deal was signed weeks after Bush dropped Karzai, into the country, Karzai, former UNOCAL OIL Consultant.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1616471 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:09:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1616471 And, let's not forget that there are Saudi, Lebonese, Syrian, Egyptian and UAE men fighting with Iraqi insurgents. Haven't heard any complaints about them. And, let’s not forget that there are Saudi, Lebonese, Syrian, Egyptian and UAE men fighting with Iraqi insurgents. Haven’t heard any complaints about them.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1616456 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:07:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1616456 Putting multiple carrier groups in the gulf is an obvious attempt to stage a "Gulf of Tonkin" type scam and blame Iran for bombing them. The only thing that may stop this could be happening behind the scenes. If I were a member of the corporporate oligarchy, I would understand that a war on Iran could possible mean no Repub president and no Repub majorities in Congress for decades, just like after the great depression. Democratic policies, even as they exist in the DLC, are not as conducive to excess corporate profits as repub policies. Cheney and Bush may be taking angry calls from their bosses. I sure hope so. Putting multiple carrier groups in the gulf is an obvious attempt to stage a “Gulf of Tonkin” type scam and blame Iran for bombing them. The only thing that may stop this could be happening behind the scenes. If I were a member of the corporporate oligarchy, I would understand that a war on Iran could possible mean no Repub president and no Repub majorities in Congress for decades, just like after the great depression. Democratic policies, even as they exist in the DLC, are not as conducive to excess corporate profits as repub policies. Cheney and Bush may be taking angry calls from their bosses. I sure hope so.

]]> By: bjobotts http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1616415 bjobotts Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:03:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1616415 The reason there is a delay in the release of information about Iran's involvement in Iraq is there is too many holes in the information. IED's could be coming from any 'arms' dealers in the area, criminal and otherwise. Also, the American people are at present, not so easily fooled by the Administrations 'claims' about Iran. We've seen Bush/Cheney spin information to fit their private agenda's before and we know why he's ordered more carriers into the Persian Gulf. We know he is looking for any reason to attack Iran and that the congress and public out cry from American citizens are still standing in his way. We are not without the courage to remove him and Cheney from office before we impeach if National Security warrants. It is not called Mutiny but relieving him of command for treason, which includes lying and trying to form his own government against the nation that elected him. The reason there is a delay in the release of information about Iran’s involvement in Iraq is there is too many holes in the information. IED’s could be coming from any ‘arms’ dealers in the area, criminal and otherwise. Also, the American people are at present, not so easily fooled by the Administrations ‘claims’ about Iran. We’ve seen Bush/Cheney spin information to fit their private agenda’s before and we know why he’s ordered more carriers into the Persian Gulf. We know he is looking for any reason to attack Iran and that the congress and public out cry from American citizens are still standing in his way. We are not without the courage to remove him and Cheney from office before we impeach if National Security warrants. It is not called Mutiny but relieving him of command for treason, which includes lying and trying to form his own government against the nation that elected him.

]]> By: wmholt http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1615874 wmholt Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:01:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1615874 It was very interesting to watch a panel discussion on Lou Dobbs Tonight with Retired General David Grange, and two experts on the Middle East. Each time Gen. Grange tried to implicate Iran, they pointed out that 99% of U.S. Troops killed meet their deaths at the hands of Sunni insurgents. They said it would be ludicrous and impossible to think that Shiite Iran could be giving weapons to and encouraging the Sunni's who then would use the weapons kill Shiite Iraqis. The panelist said, "it would be like thinking that the U.S. government was behind 9/11 - it is an impossible formulation to believe that Iran would help Sunnis." General Grange protested and said, well Iran does make most of the IED's that kill our troops. They again corrected him and said they would need to see solid proof of that. General Grange had been thoroughly discredited. He left with the point that Iran's nuclear threat means that a war with Iran was inevitable anyway. It would be nice to hear some honest assessments from the military, not just what will further Bush's Neocon and Exxon\Mobil agenda. It was very interesting to watch a panel discussion on Lou Dobbs Tonight with Retired General David Grange, and two experts on the Middle East.

Each time Gen. Grange tried to implicate Iran, they pointed out that 99% of U.S. Troops killed meet their deaths at the hands of Sunni insurgents. They said it would be ludicrous and impossible to think that Shiite Iran could be giving weapons to and encouraging the Sunni’s who then would use the weapons kill Shiite Iraqis. The panelist said, “it would be like thinking that the U.S. government was behind 9/11 – it is an impossible formulation to believe that Iran would help Sunnis.”

General Grange protested and said, well Iran does make most of the IED’s that kill our troops. They again corrected him and said they would need to see solid proof of that. General Grange had been thoroughly discredited.

He left with the point that Iran’s nuclear threat means that a war with Iran was inevitable anyway.

It would be nice to hear some honest assessments from the military, not just what will further Bush’s Neocon and Exxon\Mobil agenda.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1615123 dlet Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:37:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1615123 <em>the CIA estimates at least 10 years before they would be ready to even begin making bombs if they went all out and started working on it now Comment by Bluedog49 </em> I agree but have you answered Wormfodders point on them working overtime? ;) <em>The administration doesn`t want to go to war with Iran at all unless they keep the centrifuges working ovetime like days of old. Comment by wormburner</em> the CIA estimates at least 10 years before they would be ready to even begin making bombs if they went all out and started working on it now
Comment by Bluedog49

I agree but have you answered Wormfodders point on them working overtime? ;)

The administration doesn`t want to go to war with Iran at all unless they keep the centrifuges working ovetime like days of old.
Comment by wormburner

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614963 DallasNE Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:24:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614963 It seems that Bush constantly confuses events in Iraq and Iran. For instance, Bush said that Iraq wouldn't let the Un Inspectors in when, in fact, he kicked the UN Inspectors out of Iraq. Now, Iran is a whole different story, they won't let the UN Inspectors in. Did somebody not only take the "W" keys off Whitehouse keyboards but also flip-flop the "Q" and "N" keys? Why else would Bush be confusing Iraq for Iran so often? On the Libby trial, the WP has a good article. Enjoy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display It seems that Bush constantly confuses events in Iraq and Iran. For instance, Bush said that Iraq wouldn’t let the Un Inspectors in when, in fact, he kicked the UN Inspectors out of Iraq. Now, Iran is a whole different story, they won’t let the UN Inspectors in. Did somebody not only take the “W” keys off Whitehouse keyboards but also flip-flop the “Q” and “N” keys? Why else would Bush be confusing Iraq for Iran so often?

On the Libby trial, the WP has a good article. Enjoy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614962 Krazny Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:24:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614962 I did not realize that Tuber, it has been some time since Civics. I was under the impression the President could authorize the military as he sees fit for almost anything. I can understand your point though. Once say an invasion has started, then it is difficult to stop. I did not realize that Tuber, it has been some time since Civics. I was under the impression the President could authorize the military as he sees fit for almost anything. I can understand your point though. Once say an invasion has started, then it is difficult to stop.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614906 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:19:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614906 According to Chuck Hagel, they wanted the authorization to apply to anywhere in the middle east. Hagel and all the Democrats in the Senate wouldn't accept this and the y had to specifically say Iraq. According to Chuck Hagel, they wanted the authorization to apply to anywhere in the middle east. Hagel and all the Democrats in the Senate wouldn’t accept this and the y had to specifically say Iraq.

]]> By: Tuber http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614855 Tuber Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:15:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614855 #40 Kranzy, I understand what you are saying but your "use the military as he sees fit" is factually incorrect. I know that the CinC's powers allow for actions required for immediate defense or special operations (althogh even special ops require congressional approval), but not the type of powers necessary for an invasion such as Iraq, which is why congress had to authorize such. However, since Bush is trying to use that same authorization to invade Iran, what would happen if that very authorization was revoked? #40 Kranzy,

I understand what you are saying but your “use the military as he sees fit” is factually incorrect. I know that the CinC’s powers allow for actions required for immediate defense or special operations (althogh even special ops require congressional approval), but not the type of powers necessary for an invasion such as Iraq, which is why congress had to authorize such.

However, since Bush is trying to use that same authorization to invade Iran, what would happen if that very authorization was revoked?

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614279 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:09:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614279 Tripmaster: "do you know how many centrifuges you’re talking about here, and how long they would take to produce enough high-grade fissile material for one bomb?" Don't expect a Bush cultist to answer that question for you. As you probably already know, the CIA estimates at least 10 years before they would be ready to even begin making bombs if they went all out and started working on it now. That leaves us lots of time for diplomacy, something this administration knows nothing about. Tripmaster: “do you know how many centrifuges you’re talking about here, and how long they would take to produce enough high-grade fissile material for one bomb?”

Don’t expect a Bush cultist to answer that question for you. As you probably already know, the CIA estimates at least 10 years before they would be ready to even begin making bombs if they went all out and started working on it now. That leaves us lots of time for diplomacy, something this administration knows nothing about.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614202 TripMaster Monkey Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:56:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614202 Tuber sez: <blockquote><em>What if the AUMF was reversed or rescinded by congress? Would Bush then even have the authority to order a strike on Iran?</em></blockquote> No, he wouldn't. Virtually all the 'war-time president' authority that Chimpy wields comes from the understanding (or misunderstanding) of that vague authorization...the 'blank check' that Congress stupidly gave their blessing to in the days of unbridled panic and blind patriotism immediately following 9/11. Rescind that, and we're back to the 'pre-9/11' mindset, where Congress declares war. Tuber sez:

What if the AUMF was reversed or rescinded by congress?

Would Bush then even have the authority to order a strike on Iran?

No, he wouldn’t. Virtually all the ‘war-time president’ authority that Chimpy wields comes from the understanding (or misunderstanding) of that vague authorization…the ‘blank check’ that Congress stupidly gave their blessing to in the days of unbridled panic and blind patriotism immediately following 9/11.

Rescind that, and we’re back to the ‘pre-9/11′ mindset, where Congress declares war.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614160 TripMaster Monkey Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:48:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614160 wormburner sez: <blockquote><em>The administration doesn`t want to go to war with Iran at all unless they keep the centrifuges working ovetime like days of old.</em></blockquote> Just curious, wormburner...do you know how many centrifuges you're talking about here, and how long they would take to produce enough high-grade fissile material for one bomb? wormburner sez:

The administration doesn`t want to go to war with Iran at all unless they keep the centrifuges working ovetime like days of old.

Just curious, wormburner…do you know how many centrifuges you’re talking about here, and how long they would take to produce enough high-grade fissile material for one bomb?

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1614143 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:45:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-burns-iran-iraq/#comment-1614143 Tuber, I heard Bernie Sanders saying he was not sure congress had the authority to reverse the authorization. If Sanders feels that way, you can understand how ambivalent more moderate members of congress are. Tuber, I heard Bernie Sanders saying he was not sure congress had the authority to reverse the authorization. If Sanders feels that way, you can understand how ambivalent more moderate members of congress are.

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