Comments on: Hadley Ignores NIE, Says White House Will Still Not Call Iraq A ‘Civil War’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:26:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1628379 Jericho Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:45:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1628379 Yeah, everyone knows, when you're trying to get a message across to the American people, you don't use simple labels. The intelligence community has about the thinking capacity of Bush's brain. But you don't have to be very smart to be intelligent, if only the rest of the world is as stupid as your average American public.... Yeah, everyone knows, when you’re trying to get a message across to the American people, you don’t use simple labels. The intelligence community has about the thinking capacity of Bush’s brain. But you don’t have to be very smart to be intelligent, if only the rest of the world is as stupid as your average American public….

]]> By: el kanuckistani http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1627313 el kanuckistani Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:57:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1627313 These republicun neocons wouldn't know the facts if they were run over by a truckload of them. These republicun neocons wouldn’t know the facts if they were run over by a truckload of them.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1619274 Briseadh na Faire Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:15:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1619274 It's not a Civil War: IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN A CIVIL WAR! It’s not a Civil War:

IT’S MUCH WORSE THAN A CIVIL WAR!

]]> By: Phillip L. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1619260 Phillip L. Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:13:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1619260 My friends do you remember Baghdad Bob being dillusional? Same goes for these nut jobs that think George Bush is The Messiah. Believing anything he says. Any Republicans that stand with HIM are gonna go down big time. Who do these Republican thugs think we are? Followers like them, haha. Ya'll will never lead this nation again. Get some dignity back into your Republican Party. SAD SAD My friends do you remember Baghdad Bob being dillusional? Same goes for these nut jobs that think George Bush is The Messiah. Believing anything he says. Any Republicans that stand with HIM are gonna go down big time. Who do these Republican thugs think we are?
Followers like them, haha. Ya’ll will never lead this nation again. Get some dignity back into your Republican Party. SAD SAD

]]> By: Jeffrey Carr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1618262 Jeffrey Carr Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:56:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1618262 Does Bush purposefully hire idiots because he doesn't want anyone working in the White House that's smarter than he is? The NIE clearly said that not only are key elements of the Iraqi conflict indicative of it being a civil war, but that part that doesn't fit the civil war moniker, doesn't fit because it's WORSE than a simple North/South division. In other words, in a best case scenario, it IS a civil war. In a worst case scenario, things would have to improve before it qualified as one!!! Does Bush purposefully hire idiots because he doesn’t want anyone working in the White House that’s smarter than he is? The NIE clearly said that not only are key elements of the Iraqi conflict indicative of it being a civil war, but that part that doesn’t fit the civil war moniker, doesn’t fit because it’s WORSE than a simple North/South division. In other words, in a best case scenario, it IS a civil war. In a worst case scenario, things would have to improve before it qualified as one!!!

]]> By: chimpeach http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1616923 chimpeach Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:55:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1616923 #66 Bluedog49 <em>I think wormie is already doing his touchdown dance thinking that he/she kicked some ass around here.</em> Yeah, but does he/she actually think we believe that? I guess we should just keep humoring him/her. #66 Bluedog49

I think wormie is already doing his touchdown dance thinking that he/she kicked some ass around here.

Yeah, but does he/she actually think we believe that? I guess we should just keep humoring him/her.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1616676 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:32:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1616676 Chimpeach, I think wormie is already doing his touchdown dance thinking that he/she kicked some ass around here. Funny, isn't it? The guy/gal is the classic delusional cultist. Chimpeach, I think wormie is already doing his touchdown dance thinking that he/she kicked some ass around here. Funny, isn’t it? The guy/gal is the classic delusional cultist.

]]> By: chimpeach http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1616652 chimpeach Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:29:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1616652 #19 wormburner <em>(This phrase is key)….because it’s not an adequate description of the situation we find ourselves, as the intelligence community says. ( To break it down even further, this is the money shot)….as the intelligence community says. Yet your title for this article reads: “Hadley Ignores NIE, Says White House Will Still Not Call Iraq A ‘Civil War’” Hadley isn`t ignoring anyone. He is quoting what the intelligence community says.</em> I guess this is the part of the NIE you're having a hard time understanding: <strong>"Nonetheless, the term 'civil war' accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict, including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities, a sea change in the character of the violence, ethno-sectarian mobilization, and population displacements."</strong> Let me know if you'd like me to break that down for you. #19 wormburner

(This phrase is key)….because it’s not an adequate description of the situation we find ourselves, as the intelligence community says.

( To break it down even further, this is the money shot)….as the intelligence community says.

Yet your title for this article reads:

“Hadley Ignores NIE, Says White House Will Still Not Call Iraq A ‘Civil War’”

Hadley isn`t ignoring anyone. He is quoting what the intelligence community says.

I guess this is the part of the NIE you’re having a hard time understanding:

“Nonetheless, the term ‘civil war’ accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict, including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities, a sea change in the character of the violence, ethno-sectarian mobilization, and population displacements.”

Let me know if you’d like me to break that down for you.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1616119 impeachcheneythenbush Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:30:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1616119 Just watched a Pentagon briefing. Hadley's comments are being echoed by Gates and Pace as well. These are their "talking points," that's all. Just watched a Pentagon briefing. Hadley’s comments are being echoed by Gates and Pace as well. These are their “talking points,” that’s all.

]]> By: Publicus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1616096 Publicus Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:28:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1616096 Nobody but a few straggling wingnuts believe anything the White House says at this point. Let 'em say what they want. Is anybody listening? <strong>Wolf! Wolf!</strong> Nobody but a few straggling wingnuts believe anything the White House says at this point. Let ‘em say what they want.

Is anybody listening? Wolf! Wolf!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615736 Zooey Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:43:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615736 Stephen Hadley is what little Ralphie Parker would have become if he hadn't gotten that Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas.... Stephen Hadley is what little Ralphie Parker would have become if he hadn’t gotten that Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas….

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615727 Zooey Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:42:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615727 I do believe I called this on the initial NIE thread: Is Chimpy working on a way to ignore this report as well? Comment by Zooey — February 2, 2007 @ 11:26 am I do believe I called this on the initial NIE thread:

Is Chimpy working on a way to ignore this report as well?
Comment by Zooey — February 2, 2007 @ 11:26 am

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615712 big papa Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:40:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615712 <em>My case rests.</em> Comment by wormburner #35 <strong>...Please do...</strong> My case rests.

Comment by wormburner #35

…Please do…

]]> By: Jackie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615652 Jackie Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:31:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615652 Hadley with a fomer criminal past as he changed the spelling of his first name and then was welcomed in the criminal circle of the White House. He can't even lie right he has the look of lying. The Bush Administration is on life support and dying fast. Cheney/Rove are packing up the money and shipping it to over shore accounts and the bottom falls out and the criminals go down. Now that Americans can't believe a word Bush or Cheney said they are sending out their flunkies to spread the lies. Watch Chris Matthews do as he's ordered by Bush spread the lies and blame others, Chris does lying well. Hadley with a fomer criminal past as he changed the spelling of his first name and then was welcomed in the criminal circle of the White House. He can’t even lie right he has the look of lying. The Bush Administration is on life support and dying fast. Cheney/Rove are packing up the money and shipping it to over shore accounts and the bottom falls out and the criminals go down. Now that Americans can’t believe a word Bush or Cheney said they are sending out their flunkies to spread the lies. Watch Chris Matthews do as he’s ordered by Bush spread the lies and blame others, Chris does lying well.

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615490 Karim Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:15:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615490 Unreal. Unreal.

]]> By: USA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615444 USA Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:11:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615444 Insanity. Pure Insanity. Insanity. Pure Insanity.

]]> By: Angry One http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615326 Angry One Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:53:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615326 It's Groundhog Day on Iraq, Iran and the NIE, all right. Administration figures cherry-pick words and findings from an ambiguous report. Weak intelligence and tenuous conclusions fail to make the administration's case. For more on why it's deja vu all all over again, see: <b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000531.htm" rel="nofollow">"Groundhog Day: Iraq, Iran and the NIE."</a></b> It’s Groundhog Day on Iraq, Iran and the NIE, all right. Administration figures cherry-pick words and findings from an ambiguous report. Weak intelligence and tenuous conclusions fail to make the administration’s case.

For more on why it’s deja vu all all over again, see:
“Groundhog Day: Iraq, Iran and the NIE.”

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615198 Gregor Samsa Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:42:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615198 <i>Show me where Bush and Cheney didn`t want Hadley to call it a civil war. Comment by wormburner — February 2, 2007 @ 1:59 pm</i> Pres Bush is Hadley's boss, and Hadley -to keep his job- must toe the line... no? For example, Hadley says: <i>And what <b>we’re</b> doing is saying, if you’re going to run policy and if you’re going to explain it to the American people, <b>we</b> need to get across the complexities of the situation <b>we</b> face in Iraq and what is <b>our</b> strategy to deal with that.</i> Who are these "we" Hadley keeps talking about? Himself? He, his family, and friends? Or is it taking about the Bush administration -of which he is part, and he is referring to the political strategy they have collectivelly decided on? And who is "The Decider"? Show me where Bush and Cheney didn`t want Hadley to call it a civil war.
Comment by wormburner — February 2, 2007 @ 1:59 pm

Pres Bush is Hadley’s boss, and Hadley -to keep his job- must toe the line… no?

For example, Hadley says:

And what we’re doing is saying, if you’re going to run policy and if you’re going to explain it to the American people, we need to get across the complexities of the situation we face in Iraq and what is our strategy to deal with that.

Who are these “we” Hadley keeps talking about? Himself? He, his family, and friends?

Or is it taking about the Bush administration -of which he is part, and he is referring to the political strategy they have collectivelly decided on? And who is “The Decider”?

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615115 Bluedog49 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:36:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615115 That would be because she is a cult member in the Cult of Bush. That would be because she is a cult member in the Cult of Bush.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1615073 dlet Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:33:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/nie-civil-war/#comment-1615073 <em>I really don`t care much about it whether he did or did not. Comment by wormburner </em> Now why would that be? I really don`t care much about it whether he did or did not.
Comment by wormburner

Now why would that be?

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