Pentagon official resigns over detainee remarks.
By on Feb 2nd, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Pentagon official resigns over detainee remarks.
Charles ”Cully” Stimson, the Pentagon’s top official on detainee affairs, “resigned Friday over controversial remarks in which he criticized lawyers who represent terrorism suspects.” In a radio interview last month, Stimson said he found it shocking that lawyers at many of the nation’s top law firms represent detainees at Guantanamo, and that companies “might want to consider taking their legal business to other firms that do not represent suspected terrorists.”
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Damn, six months ago, he would have been promoted for that!
February 2nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmOK, where is the thread discussing Hill’reh wanting to emulate Hugo Chavez and seize ALL of Exxon’s profits?
Hugo demonstrates EXACTLY why you do NOT want a government to own / control industries, because they eventually get around to using those profits to build armies and threaten neighbors. Hill’reh’s remark is a mere step away from such behaviour – seize whatever you want, from whomever you want, so that you can do whatever you want.
No surprise to me that Hill’reh was always and is a communist / fascist.
February 2nd, 2007 at 5:56 pmGood. May his fine record follow him where he goes and precede his reputation. He’s a crooked, corrupt thing that needs no introduction.
February 2nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmWow – the world is changing – a Bushie resigns for bad behavior. Is this a first?
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:00 pmOK, where is the thread discussing Hill’reh wanting to emulate Hugo Chavez and seize ALL of Exxon’s profits?
Little Green Footballs, with all the other faux news, no doubt. Why don’t you go there.
Hill’reh’s remark is a mere step away from such behaviour – seize whatever you want, from whomever you want, so that you can do whatever you want.
Not Clinton. It’s Bush’s exact plan.
No surprise to me that Hill’reh was always and is a communist / fascist.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
True Communism has never existed.
Fascism is the exact opposite of true Communism.
You truly have zero credibility Fact Mangler…
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:00 pmJason, just because bush and his followers are going down the rabbit hole, doesn’t mean the country has to follow. Please get some meds, I think you are getting more and more unstable. You should seek some counseling, and maybe spend some time with friends and family.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmOne more down -We’re still a’comin’ fer ya, George. We’re gonna git ya, monkey-boy. Ya kin run, but yo’ can’t hide.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmNo surprise that everyone of your posts is based off of a talking point from Rush or Hannity., because you don’t have an original thought in your thick fu*king skull.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pm#5, unbee,
In “The Book of Isms” 11th Edition, they define communism and fascism in the same paragraph, because they are two sides of the same coin – same structure using different motivators. Communism and fascism owns / controls industries – communism motivates people’s support through class warfare, fascism through nationalistic / religious fervor.
Read, then speak.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:06 pm“You truly have zero credibility Fact Mangler…”
Comment by unbelievable — February 2, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Most neo-con babblers have reached this level. But they live on a different planet.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:06 pmNow we’ll see how valuable that law degree is from a fourth tier law school.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:11 pmIn “The Book of Isms†11th Edition, they define communism and fascism in the same paragraph, because they are two sides of the same coin – same structure using different motivators.
Ever hear of a dictionary?
Communism and fascism owns / controls industries – communism motivates people’s support through class warfare, fascism through nationalistic / religious fervor.
You’re not talking about true Communism, but the faux egrarian variety of the Soviet Union and People’s Republic of China. You should read The Communist Manifesto to learn that your book of isms doesn’t know what the f*ck it is talking about. No wonder you like it…
Read, then speak.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Ever take your own advice? Or just dispense it like an inanimate fortune cookie?
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:13 pmMost neo-con babblers have reached this level. But they live on a different planet.
Comment by wlgriffi — February 2, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
That’s Jason…
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:15 pmStimson’s email is charles.stimson@osd.mil
His telephone number is 703-697-4602
The attorney complaint hot line for the California State Bar is 800-843-9053
We are never going to drive the devils back to hell unless we start speaking up. Mr. Stimson needs to hear from Americans how they feel about the torture and illegal detention he is a part of. Call him or email him and let him know what you think of him.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:19 pmWe understand that you read books that lean to the far right.
Communism and Fascism are two ends of the spectrum. Just as libertarian and totalitarian are opposite ends.
Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production. Early forms of human social organization have been described as ‘primitive communism’ by Marxists. However, communism as a political goal is generally a conjectured form of future social organization.
Fascism is a political ideology and mass movement that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty, and to create a mobilized national community.[1] Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism by different scholars, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, corporatism, collectivism[2], anti-liberalism, and anti-communism.
Don’t you get tired of having your ass handed to you on a regular basis? Or are you too stupid to realize it.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:19 pmDon’t you get tired of having your ass handed to you on a regular basis? Or are you too stupid to realize it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 2, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Remember, he thinks Stanford is an Ivy League school…
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:28 pmunbee and spooge,
EVERY attempt to form a communist “ideal” always ends up manifesting in the manner that the USSR and China did – ALWAYS. It is human nature, that when you remove merit from the means of social escalation, the only “quality” that remains to elevate oneself is ruthlessness. THAT is why SO MANY are killed in those societies, more than will ever die under capitalism, even if you include those eras of imperialism and slavery.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:31 pmGood riddance, Stimson… one a time, they flee. One down, many many more to go.
And this is not the only resignation today. U.S. Treasury Undersecretary Tim Adams, who works with the IMF, resigned today to spend time with his family. Isn’t that DC code for, “something is up”?
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:32 pmWhat the fu*k does that have to do with the FACT that Fascism and Communism are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Or are you just trying to move the goal posts now that you have been handed your ass?
Typical republican shill can’t even prove his own point or has to change that point when it doesn’t make any god damned sense.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:35 pm#16, unbee,
As usual, you retreat to personal attack – at least you aren’t going after someone’s masculinity.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmNo surprise to me that Hill’reh was always and is a communist fascist.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Your being inflammatory and paranoid Jason, Communism never came into fruition under any Democrat and it never will.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:38 pmStop repeating that hamster brained half-witted spittle, please.
Hugo demonstrates EXACTLY why you do NOT want a government to own / control industries, because they eventually get around to using those profits to build armies and threaten neighbors.
How about when industry itself creates armies? Right now the private sector represents a significant portion of the troops in Iraq, bought by government contract. These contractors have no accountability to our military leaders.
Also tell me, what keeps industries from funding these private armadas and using them to attack our neighbors for their own economic gain? Corporations are just small, privately held governments in a way– kingdoms if you will, that are only accountable to a tiny share-holding portion of the country in which that corporation was founded. It must really bother you that any organization of individuals exists at all, since at any time any one of them can amass too much power and create a sort of coup, if you will.
What do you say to notion that an Exxon-Mobile hired army might attack Washington one day and overthrow congress, as a way of destroying that regulation folks like you hate so much? Their profits threaten America’s well being, when you look at it this way. Thank you to Hillary Clinton for trying to saving us form our own creation.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:39 pmDon’t worry…He’ll be on FAUX NEWS next week…
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmEVERY attempt to form a communist “ideal†always ends up manifesting in the manner that the USSR and China did – ALWAYS.
Stop with the childish absolutes.
True Communism must evolve from Capitalism. The Soviet Union and China were never Capitialistic before claiming Communism – therefore, it wasn’t Communism.
Understand?
It is human nature, that when you remove merit from the means of social escalation, the only “quality†that remains to elevate oneself is ruthlessness.
Maybe on your sociopathic side of the fence. On ours, merit is defined differently. We call it compassion. Something your side sees as a weakness to be exploited.
THAT is why SO MANY are killed in those societies, more than will ever die under capitalism, even if you include those eras of imperialism and slavery.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Since Communism is an effect of Capitalism, your comment is illogical.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmFunny how both fascism and communism excelled at detaining people indefinitely without trial or charge….so which does the United States more resemble?
Laurence Britt, over to you:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
The Turtle really likes the POAC version as they keep it current.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmthat when you remove merit from the means of social escalation, _JMH
Todays elections are not won by merit, they are won with smear campaigns and propaganda. George was a failure as a businessperson merit has little to do with it.
But lets talk about unitary executives and how that damages Democracy.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:42 pmA unitary executive is what Jason?
A dictator? A monarch? Why do you help them abrogate the balance of power?
As usual, you retreat to personal attack – at least you aren’t going after someone’s masculinity.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
There was no retreat. I kicked your a$$.
No personal attacks either. The truth isn’t always pleasant. Especially when you are the one hearing it.
You have no masculinity to go after Jason.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:42 pm-Stimson
Because it isn’t about the people that were killed, it’s about the money that companies lost.
It’s always about the bottom line with the right wing corporate whores.
Like boot licking JMH.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:42 pm#not at all Jason, UB is reminding the board that you have a history of being ‘economic with the truth’. Its more than relevant to your credibility or lack thereof.
I think you are a tosser – THAT’S an ad hominem.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:44 pmWe’ve been fascist for a while, I thought. Although try and convince others of that fact… I haven’t been out to that page in a while, Terry. Forgot they update periodically. Thanks for the link!
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:44 pmAn even greater break from the Unitary Executive theory occurred in 1776 when the English colonies in America declared their complete independence from the King and established their own form of self-government under a written Constitution. Under this Constitution (now our Constitution), the people were to govern themselves, with no King, through their elected Representatives to Congress. And a President was to be elected to faithfully execute whatever Laws Congress might enact
Wake up Jason your trying to return us from what we fought to get away from.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:48 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto
“The Communist Manifesto, was first published on April 14, 1848, and is one of the world’s most influential political tracts. Commissioned by the Communist League and written by communist theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it laid out the League’s purposes and program. The Manifesto suggested a course of action for a proletarian (working class) revolution to overthrow the bourgeoisie (ruling upper class) and to eventually bring about a classless society.
“The section goes on to argue that the class struggle under capitalism is between those who own the means of production, the ruling class or bourgeoisie, and those who labor for a wage, the working class or proletariat.”
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:48 pmExcerpt from The Communist Manifesto:
“When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another.”
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
You are a MORON!!!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:52 pm#32, unbee,
Fortunately, the Supreme Court has upheld the right of contract and property rights, so your dream of seizing oil company profit is already deemed unconstitutional.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:52 pmyou have a history of being ‘economic with the truth’.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 2, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
LOL! That he does!
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmJason move to england will ya constitution hater.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:57 pm#22, Dave M,
Corporate armies? Are you serious?
If you are trying to extrapolate Halliburton, who provides food and drinking water to troops, into some sort of future Nazi SS organization, then you need to put down your crack pipe.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:57 pmwhere is the thread discussing Hill’reh wanting to emulate Hugo Chavez and seize ALL of Exxon’s profits?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Well, if it’s none other than Mr. Hendler -playing loose with the facts yet again.
In all the news I’ve read, Sen Clinton has called for an end to the tax breaks that big oil companies get. Not a mention of seizing “ALL of Exxon’s profits”. Care to provide a link?
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmI am shocked at the number of examples updated on Britt’s site, Terry. I do not think I have visited the site for at least six months now… it is sad to see how much farther we have fallen in the time frame. Thanks for the link again. It is a MUST read for sure.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmI think Exxon should be paying for the war anyway, them and BP, Walmart, Starbucks, McDonalds, and so on… after all this war is so they can open shop there. Quit giving corporations making obscene profits govt tax cuts. When Walmart wants to open a new store in _____ let them borrow the money at 7% interest like I do when I buy a house, car, etc.
Why should my taxes be for their benefit?
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmFortunately, the Supreme Court has upheld the right of contract and property rights, so your dream of seizing oil company profit is already deemed unconstitutional.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
I’m not advocating Communism. I’m just teaching you what it really is.
See, it is possible to be an open minded person who understands a system without judgment of it or blind devotion to it. After all, I know more about Christianity than most Christians, despite the fact that I’m an Atheist.
Just because I know what Communism is, doesn’t mean I am selling it. (Because I am not).
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmJet – the Brits don’t like fascists either….
I should probably propose this to TP. Move all off topic posts to a thread by themselves. We could call it the “Irrelevant” thread or the “Urban Hot Air” thread.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:01 pm#39, Gregor,
WRONG! Hill’reh stated explicitly, that she would SEIZE Exxon’s profits and use them to develop alternate fuel technologies and sources. Of course, the Supreme Court would overrule such a move, but her sentiment is undeniably fascist / communist. Moreover, if she is willing to SEIZE their profits, then she is one step from SEIZING their assets and controlling the industry, just as Hugo Chavez did.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:02 pm“Some measures recommended by the Manifesto are currently widespread in developed capitalist countries. In particular, most western capitalist nations adhere to the following Manifesto measures:
A progressive income tax system.
Inheritance tax makes the government rather than the family entitled to the property.
The Central banks. The Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice fractional reserve banking.
Departements regulating traffic or communication, mandatory driver’s licenses.
Corporate regulations, subsidies and Zoning laws.
Laws giving Trade unions special privileges in contracting and conflicts.
A universal free public education system and the abolition of child labor (in the form practiced in Marx’s time).
Many western capitalist countries in the past also nationalised communications (telephones, radio), transportation (railroads) and energy (electricity, natural gas, oil); the last group of industries obviously omitted from Manifesto due to relative insignificance at the time. In some countries these industries have been recently privatised.”
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmNo Dennis Miller quotes now Jason – see if you can help Gregor understand your point better.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmJason wants to kiss some kings butt for a living.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:04 pm#42, unbee,
You can’t claim to know communism, when you turn a blind eye to how it ALWAYS manifests itself. It does not matter the intent, just the inevitable results, which is why we have a free market democracy, because it is the best way to prevent the accumulation of power, and their inevitable abuses.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmHill’reh stated explicitly, that she would SEIZE Exxon’s profits and use them to develop alternate fuel technologies and sources.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Now you are a complete, perfect DNA structure of a ph*cking MORON !!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmJet – the Brits don’t like fascists either….
Didn’t say they did, I was reffering to the King with Advisors aka Unitary Executive
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmHill’reh stated explicitly, that she would SEIZE Exxon’s profits [...]
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Stop babbling and provide a link…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmBut maybe they would like Jason anyway Heh
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pmJacka$$ Moron Hitler,
Don’t you ever get tired of fighting to be the ph*cking stupidiest person on Earth??
What’s your goal here trooper? Is there a pot-o-gold or just a little boy at the end of your worthlessness??!!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmYou can’t claim to know communism, when you turn a blind eye to how it ALWAYS manifests itself.
Jason, read slowly…
Communism has never existed. Never. The countries who claimed to be Communistic were not, because they were not first Capitialistic. They’ve all been Agrarian. Communism cannot come from Agrarian Societies because there is not the Capitalistic class friction in them that fuel the Communistic machine of change.
How are you not understanding this? My students comprehend far more complex concepts (Physics) without this much explanation…
It does not matter the intent, just the inevitable results, which is why we have a free market democracy, because it is the best way to prevent the accumulation of power, and their inevitable abuses.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
We’ve already manifested Communistic tendancies in our Capialistic country. Read my priot post that explains what they are. If Marx is right – we are already embracing a degree of his ideals. And, like it or not, they are working.
Ideologies are not evil – for they are not animate. It is people who do evil things in their name that then corrupt the systems…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:13 pmJet – ah gotcha Jason is more of an 18th century loyalist. But then they have this parliamentary system where they can run the Prime minister off with a ‘no confidence’ vote at any time – why Tony is still there I don’t know….
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmStop babbling and provide a link…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 2, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
I don’t think he actually reads our posts…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmDumb fu*k, the corporate army is Blackwater, not Haliburton. Catch up or shut up.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
Right from their front page:
This is real dumb a$$, not some conspiracy theory.
These numbers aren’t counted in the officials numbers you see one TV and these guys don’t have to play by any rules.
They are mercenaries. AKA Private Army.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmWho is this Jason M. Hendler and why is he here proving is stupidity?
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmOn topic (for once, yeah I surprise myself):
Stimson should have resigned immediately, or been fired. You don’t represent prisoners because you think they’re not guilty — although one might — you represent them because their rights need to be protected. That’s what lawyers do.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmUnbelievable,
I don’t think he reads anybody’s posts…
Or maybe he reads them but fails to make sense of them: Words go into his head, and he twits them to fit whatever pre-conceived notion he has.
Like when he claimed that Europeans are anti-semite after watching an elders-of-zion-esque show on the History Channel (or was it the Discovery Channel?) that didn’t mention Europe, Europeans, and made no claims as to what Europeans feel about Jewish people.
That is why I reply with other posters in mind -I do realise my replies are completely lost on him…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmJust as a footnote, no one will ever understand where Marx and Engels were coming from who has not read Victor Hugo’s “Les Miserables”. (Hugo nailed the flaws in Marxist theory, but had no better answer of his own except that people should be kinder to each other.)
Maven
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmHere is the video of what she said:
http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&site=fnc&getfields=*&filter=0&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&q=hillary+clinton#
I have read he carefully reworded statements, but her spoken word gives her away.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:26 pmWho is this Jason M. Hendler and why is he here proving is stupidity?
Comment by NoMoreBush — February 2, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
He’s been around for some time now. No one knows why he prosecutes himself here…It is a true mystery if the universe!!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:28 pmTypo:
In my previous post, “he twits them” should read “he twists them”
Although “twit” is a very fitting word in a post about Mr. Hendler…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:29 pmFaux “News”? We’re supposed to take THAT as an “authoritative” source???
:D :D :D :D :D
Maybe Jason needs to take up standup comedy as a profession.
Maven
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:32 pmMeh. Getting back to the original topic (Cully Stimson), good riddance to some thoroughly disgusting rubbish.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
All Congress has to do is call it a tax and it’s Constitutional.
Comment by NoMoreBush
Hendler claims to be an independently wealthy capitalist who sets aside his Christianity whenever he feels like it.
Hendler is someone who posts fairly regularly to derail threads. He is usually quite successful, as in this case. Very little discussion is going to the topic of the thread.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by NoMoreBush — February 2, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
At this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5005598.stm
You will find the following racist comment by our own Jacka$$ Moron Hitler, Grand Dragon of the KKK!
“Pan-Africanism will happen, but not in the hands of black Africans.”
Jason M. Hendler, Melbourne, Florida
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmA neocon fascist must resign over saying unamerican remarks which fly in the face of our legal system and constitution.
Jason’s response: Hillary is a communist!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:39 pmYou’ll notice that now that I have shown that we have mercenaries fighting for us at 100k strong, Jason won’t touch it with a 100 foot pole.
*hands JMH his ass again*
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmComment by dixie blood — February 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Considering the devastation caused by AIDS on that continent, Pan-Africanism may happen only because there are no Africans of any color left!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:44 pmJet – ah gotcha Jason is more of an 18th century loyalist.
King George!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:45 pmIs this the same Stimson (famili) that H.W. used to read alot?
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmJason,
I cannot open the link to the video right now, so I will have to hold my judgement for later…
But I will say that I find it very surprising not even FoxNews is making a big ado about this one -if true.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmBack on topic.
After what Stimson said slamming a lot of major law firms on the East Coast, it will be interesting to see if he is hired as a lawyer anywhere.
Perhaps he will be a “legal consultant” to the Pentagon…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmConsidering the devastation caused by AIDS on that continent, Pan-Africanism may happen only because there are no Africans of any color left!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 2, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
That is sad…I hope not…
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:48 pm#72,
Those are not my words!
Those are the words of Jacka$$ Moron Hitler!!!
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmHendler claims to be an independently wealthy capitalist who sets aside his Christianity whenever he feels like it.
more like a scientologist me thinks =)
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmJMH, not to knock you off your “Clinton’s a commie” pedastal but what is your opinion on the actual subject of this thread? Was what Stimson said wrong? And should he have left office because of it? I’m sure you’ll have another opportunity to twist things in the wind but now I’d like to read your view on the subject of this thread.
Try not to wander, it shows lack of purpose.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmGood riddance to someone who hates American democracy.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:53 pmThose are not my words!
Those are the words of Jacka$$ Moron Hitler!!!
Comment by dixie blood — February 2, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
RIGHT YOU ARE!
My apologies for the cut and paste which made it look like those were your words. I deleted the wrong commentor.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:54 pmmore like a scientologist me thinks =)
Comment by Jet Mech — February 2, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Actually, his philosophies match quite closely with those described in the Satanic Bible.
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:56 pm83. Maybe he borrowed the book from Dick Cheney. He’s got it memorized.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:01 pmActually, his philosophies match quite closely with those described in the Satanic Bible.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Anton Levay was it? Never perused it.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:01 pmIt is of some irony that the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Detainee Affairs appears to be a descendant of Henry Stimson, Secretary of War for FDR. Stimson was the Secretary of War at the time of the Nazi saboteurs case that became the subject of the Supreme Court decision In Re Quirin. From a read of Louis Fisher’s Military Tribunals and Presidential Powers it appears that the procedure for that military tribunal was suspect – much like the criticisms of the Presidential Military Order Commissions or those that are coming out of the Military Commission Act. While dealing with detainees appears to be becoming a family business for the Stimsons as their form of national service (for which we all should be grateful), we must not let their zeal to please overshadow the terrible error made by Mr. Stimson on January 11, 2007 and left standing today.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:08 pmIn the 1970s we had the windfall profits tax to tax corporations that made excessive profits after Arab Oil Embargo. We are facing a similar situation here Exxon and others are just being taxed to help pay for all the government services that they received, like military protection for their oil drilling and transfer facilities.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:26 pmOh by the way, glad Stimson is gone. I hope all the law firms he defamed sue him and the RNC for everything.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:28 pm“No surprise to me that Hill’reh was always and is a communist / fascist.”
Is it very difficult to be stupid??
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:36 pmi never tire of watching JMH get crushed…makes my otherwise boring friday night.
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:37 pm“EVERY attempt to form a communist “ideal†always ends up manifesting in the manner that the USSR and China did – ALWAYS. It is human nature, that when you remove merit from the means of social escalation, the only “quality†that remains to elevate oneself is ruthlessness.”
Spanish civil war; CNT-FAI . And gnu-linux-open-source is another example. You are not using firefox by chance are you? There are other examples….click my name and read. I know it can be hard for gluttonous poopoo heads….
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:47 pmIs it very difficult to be stupid??
All one has to do is tune in FUX NOOSE apparently.
February 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmMy oh my, you do have an ass fetish don`t you Mr. Potato Head?
Comment by rachel kinnardi — February 3, 2007 @ 12:57 am
rachel/angie/PAT
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:20 amJason Hendler,
Two things:
1) Your link is broken
2) I found the video in YouTube, listened to it and I think you are -again- being paranoid (why am I not surprised?). That was obviously figurative speech.
Get over yourself.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 amMy oh my, you do have an ass fetish don`t you Mr. Potato Head?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 amWanna touch my ass Mr Potato Head?
That is why I reply with other posters in mind -I do realise my replies are completely lost on him…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 2, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Same here. My responses to him are less for him than for others who might share his views, but have an existing reading comprehension…
I’ve noticed that he divides people (including non-existent people) into catagories of ‘authority’ and ‘non’authority’ for means of adopting their assertions. Authorities for JMH are those who own a conservative television faux news/history station, have only grey hair and/or a religious title, and profess that emotionally-based opinions are facts.
Non-authorities are people like us (educated liberals who read and possess critical thinking skills).
Funny how he gives credibility to the group that is uniformed, delusional, and shouts their points of view – while wholly discounting anything the educated, logical, reality-based group ever says simply because we are not like him (American born male, white, Christianist, etc.)
No wonder he is nonsensical…
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 amI have read he carefully reworded statements, but her spoken word gives her away.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 2, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
We asked for a news source. A valid one.
Try again.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:54 amWhile we do get off topic when the topic is less interesting than the off-topic commentary, at least our exchanges are relevent to the political arena… Unlike the utter nonsense of the “Congress to hear the inconvenient truth” thread.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:16 amIs it a general opinion in the USA that a person charge by legal authorities is presumed guilty and does not deserve good legal representation?
Were the Jews being sent off to concentration camps also presumed guilty and not allowed good legal council under George Bush’s grandfather’s business client the Third Reich? Just wondering!
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:36 am#24, unbee,
I have already disproved your claim of compassion. Libs like to give the needy fish that they’ve taken from those who know how to fish, while getting their picture taken. NON-libs prefer to teach people how to fish.
I am sure, that in your twisted mind, forcing people to learn how to fish, seems cruel, but it IS the most compassionate thing one can do.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 am#55, unbee,
You are truly earning your moniker.
You see correlation as cause and effect. Let me break it down for you. Communism is wealth consuming (parasitic), so it maintains a low level of subsistance for all its citizens, because no one will create more wealth than they personally need, knowing the government is going to take it. To say that you need a capitalist society first, in which to create a communist state, is like the old joke about NASCAR:
“The only way to make a small fortune in NASCAR is to start with a large fortune.”
You are admitting that communism requires capitalism to sustain itself. Capitalism will not exist in a country that does not respect property rights and the right of contract, so the wealth generating engine will be destroyed.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:47 am#72, spudge,
Sorry, left the thread before addressing your posts.
IF what you say is true, it is an interesting development, but capitalists would not be alone in such a practice. The Black Muslims have their “security” forces. The ACLU and similar organizations “mug” religious and capitalist enterprises in court.
It seems necessary in this Cold Political War atmosphere, in which the Clintonistas lead the way in agressive tactics.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:52 amI have already disproved your claim of compassion.
No you haven’t. How many times must we tell you that your crazy opinions based on even crazier talk-radio personalities isn’t proof?
Libs like to give the needy fish that they’ve taken from those who know how to fish, while getting their picture taken. NON-libs prefer to teach people how to fish.
There are many problems with your opinion, Jason.
Reality would be the biggest… not that you let it stop you…
The rich have people who getthem out of contributing to the system, so our tax dollars spent on our social programs to help those of us in need are actually our own dollars. We aren’t ‘taking’ them from anyone.
The fact that most “teachers” are liberals, and that academia is extremely liberal also refutes your false logic.
I am sure, that in your twisted mind, forcing people to learn how to fish, seems cruel, but it IS the most compassionate thing one can do.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Jason, you ignore the reality that I am a teacher – in a career academy – where I teach students about the profession of architecture. Hello? Anyone home?
And that you favor private schools where teachers are paid about half as much as public school teachers, therefore attracting a lower quality of teacher…
Unfortunately, it seems that no one has taught you how to fish, much less anything else useful… like thinking….
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:03 pm#107, unbee,
Wrong again. I am the ultimate fisherman, and teacher of fisherman.
Private school teachers are superior, in that they they don’t try to indoctrinate their student into communism. No entity has a longer memory than the Catholic church, so they were able to teach me, and others, the falacies contained in communist doctrine, as well as how Darwinian teachings were used to support eugenics, euthaniasia, abortion and ultimately genocide.
Your “feelings” cannot dismiss historical reality, no matter how hard you wish.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 pmYou are truly earning your moniker.
No Jason, you are. It’s why it’s there…
You see correlation as cause and effect. Let me break it down for you. Communism is wealth consuming (parasitic), so it maintains a low level of subsistance for all its citizens, because no one will create more wealth than they personally need, knowing the government is going to take it.
Because it is an effect – or rather a consequence to the inevitable corruption of Capitalism.
I see you still haven’t educated yourself on what Communism actually is and are still arguing something you don’t understand – therefore making your diatribe nonsensical and not credible.
Communism is about preventing the wealthy from hoarding weath to the detriment of the common man. It’s what we are now seeing in Capitalism, as Marx predicted, and Communism was what he believed the consequences would be as a result.
In your usual absolutistic view of things, you cannot understand that no system is perfect, or that it is simply a stage until it becomes corrupted and a society seeks something – usually drastic – to counter balance that corruption.
I understand your mind cannot process anything without first having to judge it in terms of good or bad, but Communism is simply a theory of public ownership that is already a functional part of our Capitialistic society. No matter how much you do not like it…
To say that you need a capitalist society first, in which to create a communist state, is like the old joke about NASCAR: “The only way to make a small fortune in NASCAR is to start with a large fortune.â€
No Jason. It’s what Marx and Engles said. You know – the two people who conceived the theory… Sheesh. You would argue with your god about the intention of the Bibles – if he existed…
You are admitting that communism requires capitalism to sustain itself.
No – Communism needs Capitalism to ignite it – as Communism occurs when Capitalism corrupts itself to the point that the people revolt. Communism is a revolution of the common man against the greedy rich elistist (you basically – which is why you fear it so much).
Capitalism will not exist in a country that does not respect property rights and the right of contract, so the wealth generating engine will be destroyed.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Not at all. It is psychologically a human effort to improve his or her surroundings. It’s why Capitalism is not more permanent than you are…
Change is inevitable. Live with it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:15 pmI see my reply to Mr. Hendler is gone, and that he is back dishing out his own, personal version of reality. So, Jason:
1) Your link to Sen Clinton’s speech is broken.
2) I found the video in YouTube, listened to it and I think you are -again- being paranoid (why am I not surprised?). That was obviously figurative speech.
Get over yourself.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 pmWrong again. I am the ultimate fisherman, and teacher of fisherman.
I’m always right when debating you Jason, as I just point out reality…
You aren’t a fisherman. You are, by your own admissions, someone who steals other people’s ideas and then passes them off as his own.
And you aren’t a tecaher – as you simply use other people to improve yourself.
True teaching is self-less. Something you are utterly incapable of.
Private school teachers are superior, in that they they don’t try to indoctrinate their student into communism.
LOL… You’re seriously desperate now Jason! That was terrible.
I’ve told you – I don’t advocate Communism. I just know what it is and what it isn’t. Unlike you who just fears things he does not understand.
No entity has a longer memory than the Catholic church, so they were able to teach me, and others, the falacies contained in communist doctrine, as well as how Darwinian teachings were used to support eugenics, euthaniasia, abortion and ultimately genocide.
The Catholic Church? Ahahahahahaha… Stop, really, you’re killing me!
The same Catholic Church that supported Fascist Hitler? Brutal Roman Emporers? Waged the Inquisition and Crusades? Engaged in horrific Medieval torture? On and on and on and on… That Catholic Church?
Your “feelings†cannot dismiss historical reality, no matter how hard you wish.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Not my feelings Jason. I’ve read The Communist Manifesto. I base my arguments on the actual document.
It’s you who is fueled by your feelings, emotions, opinions, and selfish wants. You demonstrate that every single time you post.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmWrong again. I am the ultimate fisherman, and teacher of fisherman.
Private school teachers are superior, in that they they don’t try to indoctrinate their student into communism. No entity has a longer memory than the Catholic church, so they were able to teach me, and others, the falacies contained in communist doctrine, as well as how Darwinian teachings were used to support eugenics, euthaniasia, abortion and ultimately genocide.
Your “feelings†cannot dismiss historical reality, no matter how hard you wish.
oh man, you’ve topped yourself with this little gem.
christ, you’re arrogant.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pmGet over yourself.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 3, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
I think we’ll sooner see Bush apologize for all his mistakes in occupying Iraq…
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmchrist, you’re arrogant.
Comment by alp3 — February 3, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Especially for someone who is never right about anything… LOL
He’s just whack-a-troll material.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 pmPrivate school teachers are superior, in that they they don’t try to indoctrinate their student into communism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Public schools “indoctrinate in communism”?
wow, what year is this? 1955? Are you channeling Joseph McCarthy?
Darwinian teachings were used to support eugenics, euthaniasia, abortion and ultimately genocide.
Another anti-science rant from Mr. Hendler. What others did with Darwin’s theories is not his fault. His theory of evolution (or natural selection as he called it) has been validated over many years of observations.
Your argument falls squarely into the “Appeal to Consequences” category.
By the way, did your Catholic teachers also talk about how Christian teachings were used to spread the notion that the Earth is the centre of the Universe? And excomulgate anybody who doubted it was true?
Your “feelings†cannot dismiss historical reality, no matter how hard you wish.
Maybe you should listen to your own words sometime….
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmIt truely is unbelievable, unbelievable.
Keep up the good work and good luck. I feel like I need to shower a little slime off of me. I’ve been “oozed.”
yikes.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 pm“Private school teachers are superior, in that they they don’t try to indoctrinate their student into communism. No entity has a longer memory than the Catholic church, so they were able to teach me, and others, the falacies contained in communist doctrine, as well as how Darwinian teachings were used to support eugenics, euthaniasia, abortion and ultimately genocide.”
A major flaw in this arguement is that you admit that “the Catholic church ….[was] able to teach you.” You do not take responsibility for learning through your own research here. You are admitting to accepting the Catholic Church “doctrine.” Accepting doctrine is not thinking or being a responsible participant but a cop out. It is like saying “my Mom told me so” and the implication being that one’s mother never lies. I think you are probably young and if that is the case good-on-you for participating. I don’t mean to be harsh but you do need to grow up a bit and take responsibility for your own thinking.
Right or wrong “unbelievable” is doing that in your debate but you Jason are not. Jason is right about at least one thing you could start by at least reading “The Communist Manifest.” It won’t bite you.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 pmMr. Hendler,
Your historical knowledge is wanting, your understanding of the theory of evolution is thin, and your lack of grounding in reality is simply astounding.
You base all your arguments on what you think things ought to be, and not what they really are. I mean, everybody knows Marx and Engels posited the advent of communism after a capitalist phase.
Please inform yourself on the subject before posing more nonsense. The same goes for the Theory of Evolution, and pretty much anything else you blabber about.
You truly give Stanford a bad name.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:46 pmIt truely is unbelievable, unbelievable.
:)
Keep up the good work and good luck. I feel like I need to shower a little slime off of me. I’ve been “oozed.â€
Comment by alp3 — February 3, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Thanks. I doubt it matters to him… But a few of us refuse to let him so unchallenged. Don’t want him to think we agree with him.
Yeah, know what you mean… :)
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmI think you are probably young
Comment by doug — February 3, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Sadly, he is 39…
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:57 pmYou truly give Stanford a bad name.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 3, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
In high school, a student can get a Special Ed diploma for doing watered down, basic work… I’m assuming that if he truly went to Stanford, his degree comes with its own special considerations…
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:59 pmI’ve noticed that he divides people (including non-existent people) into catagories of ‘authority’ and ‘non’authority’ for means of adopting their assertions.
Comment by unbelievable — February 3, 2007 @ 8:52 am
I’ve noticed the same thing. Jason grants authority to someone based on what their political leanings are -even if perceived- and if they say things he wants to hear, regardless of their actual area of expertise (or lack thereof).
Trait I find really interesting in someone who claims to have a higher education from a top-notch private university. Whatever one’s political allegiance, higher education education should make anybody understand the importance of proper credentials in a certain area of study, as well as the importance of proper references to back up one’s argument -Mr. Hendler does not understand either.
All his opinions are based on feelings -as you say- and on whether or not the facts may have undesirable consequences; if they do, they cannot be true.
I expect that mentality in someone with less than a college degree…
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmAll his opinions are based on feelings -as you say- and on whether or not the facts may have undesirable consequences; if they do, they cannot be true.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 3, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Unlike you, I don’t have children. I do have a niece and nephews, however, all 6 and younger.
I noticed that until about 5 and a half, my niece rejected all things that she found unfavorable as ‘untrue’. Then, around the time she hit 5.5, she seemed to develop enough of an experience base to realized that there are undesirable consequence that exist in the universe, and as a result, she accepts this. How can a grown middle-aged man still not grasp this elementary concept?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:19 pm#108, Gregor,
Amazing, first you won’t believe that she actually stated that she would “seize Exxon’s profits and use them for alternative fuel research”. Then, when I show you the videotape of Hill’reh saying exactly that, you refuse to believe that she meant it.
Again, gather round children, and let me explain to you have capitalism works. When a government decides to raise a corporations costs through minimum wage increases, taxes, etc., it forces them to either layoff workers to reduce overall costs, and/or raise prices. When the layoffs / price increase happen, the employees / consumers get upset, and when they learned that the government caused these problems, they punish the politicians in the next election.
Tax breaks are used to entice corporations to serve the public good without causing layoffs / price increases. The Rep congress gave oil companies tax breaks to do research and development into alternative fuels, but now, Hill’reh wants to take their profits to do her own research and development. EVERYONE knows that the government / universities always fails to convert on technologies, and it is always left up to industry – pharmaceutical, oil, automotive, etc., to realize those developments.
Further, to claim that capitalists “hoard” money is to admit that you don’t understand capitalism. Capitalists invest in individuals and ideas, which will generate more wealth. If, through the Democratic Party, you violate the right of contract and property rights, then capitalists truly will STOP investing in individuals and ideas, because the risk to reward ratio would be too high.
Even Stuart Varney stated today that the time of wealth creation in the US is over, and we are now into a period of wealth redistribution, which means much, much less for all of us.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:29 pm#111, unbee,
It is slander to state that I steal anyone’s ideas.
The original inventors of the raw technology, that I further developed, LICENSED that technology – they were paid and consented to its use. NOTHING was stolen. Moreover, the further developments were patented, which means that lawyers did the proper research to confirm that these ideas were unique, even though they built on prior art. Since these patents were issued by the USPTO, it confirms again, that nothing was STOLEN, and all my work was ORIGINAL.
This work generated revenues in the millions, which help our customers succeed in the market place, and generation many more millions for themselves, share holders and investor.
I am the ultimate fisherman, and teacher of fisherman.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmCommunism was not the problem.
Capitalism isn’t the problem.
Hijacked governments being run by dictatorships are a problem, even when the dictator is a front man as stupid as your prez dent.
IGNORE Jason M. Hendler. He adds nothing.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmIt is slander to state that I steal anyone’s ideas.
Only if it isn’t true and that as a result it does you personal harm. You’ve said it was true.
So sue me. LOL
The original inventors of the raw technology, that I further developed, LICENSED that technology – they were paid and consented to its use. NOTHING was stolen.
See, you just admitted it again…
This work generated revenues in the millions, which help our customers succeed in the market place, and generation many more millions for themselves, share holders and investor.
Yeah. Sure. Right. Uh-huh… LOL
I am the ultimate fisherman, and teacher of fisherman.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Face it – you’re just a little, inconsequential fish in a very large pond.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm#126, unbee,
Now you are being childish. I state facts that prove that I DID NOT steal any tech, and you play schoolyard games of did not / did too.
I would sue, but you are worthless – economically, mentally and physically.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmCapitalism is about exploiting the worker through and through. Why does somebody who does all the work get paid 50cents an hour, while a lazy person in an office gets 70% percent of all the profits. Sorry, I do not see any logic here. The only wealth stealing parasitic person is your boss.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:24 pmNow you are being childish. I state facts that prove that I DID NOT steal any tech, and you play schoolyard games of did not / did too.
So you call being debunked “being childish”? Please.
Besides, whack-a-troll Fact Mangler, there’s no point in wasting my time pointing out reality to you. You have your hands over your eyes and refuse to stop mumbling to yourself. Might as well have a little fun instead.
I would sue, but you are worthless – economically, mentally and physically.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
You’re thinking of yourself… Since that is all you are capable of seeing…
Translation: You can’t find me to sue me. LOL
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:30 pmThen, when I show you the videotape of Hill’reh saying exactly that, you refuse to believe that she meant it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
First, she didn’t use the word “seize”.
Second, she is blabbering -as any politician who is playing with the perception that oil companies are squeezing their profits out of the rest of us. It’s called demagoguery. Look it up.
Third, the interpretation you offer is so out of touch with anything the Clintons have said & done before, and so detached with modern American politics, it’s not even funny. It’s such a stretch.
You are being hysterical and paranoid. Seriously. When Rush Limbaugh does it it’s for money. Who pays you?
And thanks for the explanation of how capitalism works -were you trying to compensate for the fact that we had to educate you on basic Marxist theory?
Your tirades insisting that the Democratic Party is “communist” are so McCarthy-like, I have a hard time believing you actually believe all the claptrap you type.
Seek help, I urge you. Walking around with all those paranoid delusions cannot lead to anything positive.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 pm#127, God is a Nihilist,
Happy to school you in this regard. When an individual recognizes a market opportunity, lines up the customers, credit and resources, and orchestrates all parties towards wealth generation, it is infinitely more valueable than a commodity laborer that simply turns a wrench.
That’s why.
If the wrench turner was smart, he would save his pennies, and seek education / training that would position them to create wealth in the same manner.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 pm#131, Gregor,
Why prattle on about communist theory, when history is awash in the blood of failed communist states? You want to talk about an imaginary idealistic theory, when reality provides all the information you need to reach a rational conclusion about communism – it KILLS in the 10’s of millions, unlike any other idealogy in history.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:41 pmWhy prattle on about communist theory, when history is awash in the blood of failed communist states?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Moving the goal posts again, eh? Nice try.
You were the one who opened the door and prattled on. I only said that if you were going to babble on a subject, you should at least have cursory knowledge -like the fact that Marx wrote about communism as the next step from capitalism, as the latter had been from feudalism. You obviously didn’t know that.
Don’t talk to me about reality -that is the one thing you have serious trouble with, understanding it and accepting it.
Public schools “indoctrinate into communism”? Puh-leeze…
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:59 pmJason what you do not understand, is that the United States also institutionalized much terror against workers wanting a livable wages, training latin americans to control protesting workers. Pinochet for example. Why do you think dictators like Chavez rise.
Much property and wealth has been distributed by your lovable corporate socialist overlords to companies like Walmart…. And another thing, you advocate social Darwinism. So if people can not think, learn that they can have a livable wage, they should just live on starving, ya, and money grows on trees, anyone can just buy an education. The reason you can not understand is you’ve never been poor, If you’d know anything, the workers movement started in America. Hmmmm, I wonder why we have a middle class……….
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm“You want to talk about an imaginary idealistic theory, when reality provides all the information you need to reach a rational conclusion about communism – it KILLS in the 10’s of millions, unlike any other idealogy in history. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 9:41 pm”
There were 62 million deaths from WWII, a direct result of Fascism. Sorry Mr. Sunshine, but that’s pretty hard to beat. Especially when you ‘righties’ decide to count natural disaster deaths under Soviet regimes, while those same regimes are under embargo by western governments. Like all of your posts, the math doesn’t add up. You’re really a trained engineer? Inconceivable.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 pm#134, Doodie,
You are correct that fascism runs a close second to communism in mass slaughter of human populations. WWII killed 62 million, but national geographic listed the China at a minimum of 30 million (but speculates 100 million, making them alone the champion over deaths in WWII), the Soviet Union at 20 million, Cambodia at 2 million, so conservative estimates approach or beat fascism, and reasonalble speculation would push it to over DOUBLE.
The more control you try to enforce at the expense of those willing to work, the more you drive those individuals to fight for their freedom, and the best in a population die.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:57 am#133, God is a Nihilist,
Chicken and egg argument. You don’t require strike breakers if there are no strikes. Those are tactics in which employees don’t show a requisite increase in productivity to justify an increase in wages, so they don’t earn raises.
If people feel that they are not being paid sufficiently, they need to develop their skills and go generate wealth for themselves. Wages are set by market forces. If anybody can turn a wrench, then their wages will be lower than those who are able to line up capital, customers and resources to generate wealth.
Corporations are great incubators of talent, in which you can learn all the skills you need to generate wealth for yourself. Why tear down these institutions of wealth generation, when they are springboards for your own wealth?
The real crime, is that Democrats refuse to allow their constituents the opportunity to go to privates schools, using vouchers. This DENIES their constituents the opportunity to generate wealth for themselves, and forces their dependency on the Democratic Party.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:04 am#133, God is a Nihilist,
Although I attended private school, we were far from wealthy. I’ve worked my share of minimum wage jobs – scrubbing dishes, bussing tables, flipping burgers, mowing lawns, etc.
I understand how to go from poor to wealthy first hand, and know that what the Democratic Party offers in ONLY perpetual poverty, as seen in all their failed welfare programs in the inner cities.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:08 amYou want to talk about an imaginary idealistic theory, when reality provides all the information you need to reach a rational conclusion about communism – it KILLS in the 10’s of millions, unlike any other idealogy in history.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 3, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Jason,
You really are incapable of understanding basic premises.
Communism has never existed on its own. It does exist in our Capitalistic culture in various forms (listed above).
Using the word Communist to describe any of the dictatorial countries who stole its name is incorrect – therefore every time you make this claim you start off with negative credibility.
I see you can’t answer my last round of questions, so you pretend I never asked them. Might seem clever to an infant, but around here, we see through your delusional tricks. And, as usual, you’ve been debunked and dismissed.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amAlthough I attended private school
This is why you insist that private schools are superior, when in reality, studies show that they are inferior to the public education system where teachers are paid better and have accesss to more resources.
You confirm those studies every time you post and have your ass handed to you by public high school graduates.
I understand how to go from poor to wealthy first hand, and know that what the Democratic Party offers in ONLY perpetual poverty, as seen in all their failed welfare programs in the inner cities.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 4, 2007 @ 10:08 am
You were never poor Jason. Upper middle class compared to your rich classmates might seem that way, but you don’t have the first clue about poverty. If you did, you wouldn’t be such a money grubbing jerk (studies show that those who have lived in poverty at some point in their lives are the most generous when it comes to helping others).
Poverty is a result of socio-economic and race discrimination. Deny it all you want – but being a white boy from a supportive well-off family gives you a huge advantage over those who come from real poverty.
Get over yourself. It’s nauseating to hear you try to play the victim.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe men that American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.
– H L Mencken
February 4th, 2007 at 1:56 pmIt is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
– Aristotle
February 4th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThe single best way to overcome ANY discrimination – race, sex and any other socio-economic discrimination is through TRAINING AND EDUCATION, but the Dems deny these “discriminated socio-economic groups” the CHOICE of schools that provide this TRAINING AND EDUCATION.
NOTHING would advance these groups faster, than access to, and experience with, those who have access to these schools.
Moreover, if the government was allowed to create tax free zones to rehabilitate blighted areas, you would have more tax revenues to improve the public schools – but YOU choose not to think.
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