Comments on: White House Disputes CBO Report, Says Combat Troops Don’t Need More Support http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:45:33 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Fedup http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1638727 Fedup Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:18:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1638727 48,000!!! All the more money to be made for Dick Cheney's Halliburton! Wee Haw! 48,000!!!
All the more money to be made for Dick Cheney’s Halliburton!
Wee Haw!

]]> By: curious43 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1637891 curious43 Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:31:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1637891 This says it better than I can - great graphic http://theheretik.us/2007/02/04/we-want-our-piece-now/ This says it better than I can – great graphic
http://theheretik.us/2007/02/04/we-want-our-piece-now/

]]> By: curious43 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1627491 curious43 Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:19:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1627491 Okay, why is it that cbo,isg,msm,etc does not mention how many civilian support personnel are there now under no-bid contracts? If you check you will see the military uses more and more civilians in the support role. The money comes from another budget so the money and number of people already there are listed elsewhere. So they send 21,000 combat troops and 21,000 civilians. Check out who is manning and maintaining all the permanent bases in Iraq now. Even congress is not making an issue of this. How many g.i.s do kp,base cleaning, truck driving, etc? How many have died? You do not see these figures in the news. Okay, why is it that cbo,isg,msm,etc does not mention how many civilian support personnel are there now under no-bid contracts? If you check you will see the military uses more and more civilians in the support role. The money comes from another budget so the money and number of people already there are listed elsewhere. So they send 21,000 combat troops and 21,000 civilians. Check out who is manning and maintaining all the permanent bases in Iraq now. Even congress is not making an issue of this. How many g.i.s do kp,base cleaning, truck driving, etc? How many have died? You do not see these figures in the news.

]]> By: Lady Barb http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1626889 Lady Barb Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:42:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1626889 I don't need no stinkin' plans. I don’t need no stinkin’ plans.

]]> By: kerryinalaska http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1620367 kerryinalaska Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:04:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1620367 what ever the eventual number it will be much larger than anyone knows right now. when bushit kicks the can in the middle east, sooner rather than later, numbers will not be a big concern. We will all be in it. what ever the eventual number it will be much larger than anyone knows right now. when bushit kicks the can in the middle east, sooner rather than later, numbers will not be a big concern. We will all be in it.

]]> By: Bowdler http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1618823 Bowdler Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:05:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1618823 Jerks Jerks

]]> By: Kevin Good http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1616844 Kevin Good Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:50:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1616844 They know exactly what they are doing. Telling you a subset of the truth that is just another big lie. 'When I said 21K troops you should have known they would need 39K troops to support them. Are you against supporting our troops?' They know exactly what they are doing. Telling you a subset of the truth that is just another big lie.
‘When I said 21K troops you should have known they would need 39K troops to support them. Are you against supporting our troops?’

]]> By: ScrewBush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1616563 ScrewBush Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:22:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1616563 Nothing to see here move along, Administration has no idea what they are doing. Same shit different day. Move along, nothing to see here. Why is this even news? America has accepted that God has commanded a total moron to lead us for 8 years -- beats 30 years circling in the desert, right? Get over it. or... IMPEACH Already ! Nothing to see here move along,
Administration has no idea what they are doing.
Same shit different day.
Move along, nothing to see here.

Why is this even news? America has accepted that God has commanded a total moron to lead us for 8 years — beats 30 years circling in the desert, right? Get over it.

or…

IMPEACH Already !

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615983 impeachcheneythenbush Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:16:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615983 <em>It undermines the whole notion that they know precisely what they are doing at this moment. </em> I don't know whose "notion" this is supposed to be, but how anyone in their right mind could believe that this administration has a<strong> clue</strong> about knowing precisely what they are doing amazes me. I guess they represent the 30 percenters. It undermines the whole notion that they know precisely what they are doing at this moment.

I don’t know whose “notion” this is supposed to be, but how anyone in their right mind could believe that this administration has a clue about knowing precisely what they are doing amazes me. I guess they represent the 30 percenters.

]]> By: Willy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615967 Willy Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:14:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615967 Isn't it wonderful to have an administration that lies about everything? Truth appears to be their enemy. Isn’t it wonderful to have an administration that lies about everything? Truth appears to be their enemy.

]]> By: Juan C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615956 Juan C Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:12:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615956 <em>…creating reality… …is hard work… Comment by big papa </em> Not really if you have a 30% which is <strong>gullible</strong> (WMDs in Iraq, AlQaeda-Iraq, 9/11-Iraq, Bush talks to God), <strong>afraid</strong> (Iran´s nukes, OBL still floating around, Zarkawi, Al-Sadr, arabs, commies), <strong>ignorant</strong> (where´s Iraq, Muslims are evil, Islam wants to kill us, American Idol, all my sources are corporate sources), <strong>low self-esteemed</strong> (cant lose this one, victory no matter what, need that car to get laid, I admire Bill Gates). …creating reality…
…is hard work…
Comment by big papa

Not really if you have a 30% which is gullible (WMDs in Iraq, AlQaeda-Iraq, 9/11-Iraq, Bush talks to God), afraid (Iran´s nukes, OBL still floating around, Zarkawi, Al-Sadr, arabs, commies), ignorant (where´s Iraq, Muslims are evil, Islam wants to kill us, American Idol, all my sources are corporate sources), low self-esteemed (cant lose this one, victory no matter what, need that car to get laid, I admire Bill Gates).

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615952 Krazny Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:12:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615952 I think the White House prefers that troops support be supplied by haliburton with no bid contracts. I think the White House prefers that troops support be supplied by haliburton with no bid contracts.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615793 ForTruth Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:52:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615793 You can always count on Tobey to provide such uplifting information about the US. You can always count on Tobey to provide such uplifting information about the US.

]]> By: mrJJ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615768 mrJJ Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:48:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615768 Mahdi Army Chants... All Hai..l King Bubble Boy Bush! ..Embed those US Troopers U.S. training made Shiite militia stronger BAGHDAD -- The U.S. military's efforts to train and equip Iraq's security forces have unwittingly strengthened the al-Mahdi Army militia, which has been battling to take over much of the capital as U.S. forces try to secure it. U.S. Army commanders and enlisted men who are patrolling east Baghdad said the militia, which is loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, had heavily infiltrated the Iraqi police and army units that the Americans have trained and armed. http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/world/16605799.htm Mahdi Army Chants… All Hai..l King Bubble Boy Bush! ..Embed those US Troopers

U.S. training made Shiite militia stronger

BAGHDAD — The U.S. military’s efforts to train and equip Iraq’s security forces have unwittingly strengthened the al-Mahdi Army militia, which has been battling to take over much of the capital as U.S. forces try to secure it.

U.S. Army commanders and enlisted men who are patrolling east Baghdad said the militia, which is loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, had heavily infiltrated the Iraqi police and army units that the Americans have trained and armed.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/world/16605799.htm

]]> By: ccokz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615767 ccokz Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:48:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615767 with 1/4 trillion more? so the money is not for additional support? what does bush intend to do with it? oil platforms in the persian gulf? with 1/4 trillion more? so the money is not for additional support? what does bush intend to do with it? oil platforms in the persian gulf?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615761 Marie Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:47:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615761 Support troops in Iraq are not like they are miles away from the "front lines" because there are no front lines in Iraq. The war is everywhere. It is more than disingenuous for the WH to say that they don't need support troops -- Rumsfeld didn't think they were necessary either -- and they don't account for them. If they plan to send 21000 without the support troops necessary, they would be guilty AGAIN of sending not-fully-prepared/equipped troops into battle. They still haven't learned the lessons of Iraq. This is simply more of the Pentagon's on-the-cheap warfare, and American soldiers may make up the cost difference with their lives. We should be bringing our people home, not sending more there; and to think they may be sent there without proper backup is unconscionable. More outrageous behavior from Bush&Co. Support troops in Iraq are not like they are miles away from the “front lines” because there are no front lines in Iraq. The war is everywhere. It is more than disingenuous for the WH to say that they don’t need support troops — Rumsfeld didn’t think they were necessary either — and they don’t account for them. If they plan to send 21000 without the support troops necessary, they would be guilty AGAIN of sending not-fully-prepared/equipped troops into battle. They still haven’t learned the lessons of Iraq.
This is simply more of the Pentagon’s on-the-cheap warfare, and American soldiers may make up the cost difference with their lives.
We should be bringing our people home, not sending more there; and to think they may be sent there without proper backup is unconscionable.
More outrageous behavior from Bush&Co.

]]> By: pluege http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615700 pluege Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:39:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615700 "It undermines the whole notion that they know precisely what they are doing at this moment.” what a stupid statement. Based on what evidence would any sane person come to the conclusion that the bush adminsitration has ever known what they were doing in regard to Iraq. On the contrary, the ONLY sane judgement to make regarding any actions of the bush administration takes is to have a position that they have NO IDEA what they are doing - THAT...is where ALL the evidence is. . “It undermines the whole notion that they know precisely what they are doing at this moment.”

what a stupid statement. Based on what evidence would any sane person come to the conclusion that the bush adminsitration has ever known what they were doing in regard to Iraq. On the contrary, the ONLY sane judgement to make regarding any actions of the bush administration takes is to have a position that they have NO IDEA what they are doing – THAT…is where ALL the evidence is.
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]]> By: Doktor Texas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615636 Doktor Texas Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:29:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615636 Why don't they just go ahead and say, " Look after we stir up the Iranian hornets nest we are going to need a hell of a lot more live bodies to stem the flow of the human wave attacks sure to accompany the blacking out of the sun by Iranian missles." We are going to start a war with Iran...too many people up top keep denying it, so it has to be true. These extra troops are the speed bump that is going to slow down the overwhelming Iranian response. Then they are going to say something stupid like " Ya see? These goddamn svages will stop at nothing...they hate our freedom, which is why we are going to take your freedoma dn draft you to fix our mistake." Why don’t they just go ahead and say, ” Look after we stir up the Iranian hornets nest we are going to need a hell of a lot more live bodies to stem the flow of the human wave attacks sure to accompany the blacking out of the sun by Iranian missles.” We are going to start a war with Iran…too many people up top keep denying it, so it has to be true. These extra troops are the speed bump that is going to slow down the overwhelming Iranian response. Then they are going to say something stupid like ” Ya see? These goddamn svages will stop at nothing…they hate our freedom, which is why we are going to take your freedoma dn draft you to fix our mistake.”

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615635 big papa Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:29:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615635 <strong>As usual... ...the White House will be AGAINST the report... ...before they're FOR the report... ...creating reality... ...is hard work...</strong> As usual…

…the White House will be AGAINST the report…

…before they’re FOR the report…

…creating reality…

…is hard work…

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/comment-page-1/#comment-1615592 Gregor Samsa Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:24:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/02/whitehouse-cbo/#comment-1615592 If there is one thing this administration has been consistent about Iraq, is underestimating. They underestimated the amount of troops needed -remember Gen Shinseki? They underestimated the how long the war would last -Rumsfeld's "I doubt six months" They underestimated the cost, who and how the war would be paid -remember how Lindsey's estimates were downplayed? So, when Bartlett says: "We think that there are already enough support troops on the ground there that very few will be required", well, I know where their credibility is, in terms of estimating the effort needed. If there is one thing this administration has been consistent about Iraq, is underestimating.

They underestimated the amount of troops needed -remember Gen Shinseki?

They underestimated the how long the war would last -Rumsfeld’s “I doubt six months”

They underestimated the cost, who and how the war would be paid -remember how Lindsey’s estimates were downplayed?

So, when Bartlett says: “We think that there are already enough support troops on the ground there that very few will be required”, well, I know where their credibility is, in terms of estimating the effort needed.

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