AEI Letter Offers $10,000 Payments Only For Views Critical Of The IPCC Report
AEI Letter Offers $10,000 Payments Only For Views Critical Of The IPCC Report
On Friday, The Guardian reported that the American Enterprise Institute — which has received more than $1.6 million from ExxonMobil — was offering to pay global warming skeptics to speak out in an effort to push back on the new IPCC climate change study. The IPCC report states that it is “very likely” that man-made greenhouse gases were the main cause of the Earth’s recent warming trend.
The article reported that one American scientist — Steve Schroeder, a professor at Texas A&M university — turned down the offer citing fears that the report could easily be misused for political gain. “You wouldn’t know if some of the other authors might say nothing’s going to happen, that we should ignore it, or that it’s not our fault,” he said.
A copy of the AEI letter can be read HERE.
Kenneth Green and Steven Hayward, the AEI employees who sent the letter, claimed they were soliciting views that would highlight both the strengths and weaknesses of the IPCC report. But, in the letter, Green and Hayward clearly indicate they are only seeking views that criticize the IPCC. They write:
As with any large-scale “consensus” process, the IPCC is susceptible to self-selection bias in its personnel, resistant to reasonable criticism and dissent, and prone to summary conclusions that are poorly supported by the analytical work of the complete Working Group reports.
[…]
We are hoping to sponsor a paper…that thoughtfully explores the limitations of climate model outputs as they pertain to the development of climate policy.
[…]
AEI will offer an honoraria of $10,000. … We intend to hold a series of small conferences and seminars in Washington and elsewhere…for which we can provide travel expenses and additional honoraria if you are able to participate.
Indeed, the letter reveals that the oil lobbyists at AEI are quite familiar with “self-selection bias.”
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AEI: Project much?
Soliciting prostitution is against the law.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmClearly AEI is offering to pay for a predetermined outcome, without regard to the science. It would be flatly unethical for a scientist to accept an “honorarium” of any size, much less one this large, under such conditions.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmThe only matter that AIE is concerned about is fecal matter, because they’re a bunch of shitheads. Honestly! How perverse, to put out thier doctine of scientific discouragement, as though it is game plan for business and personal profit.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmJonathan Adler and AEI president Christopher DeMuth are attempting to spin this here.
I personally think that they have a few points re the Guardian story. The story opens with: Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world’s largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
“Funded by one of the…” It is a bit skewed to say that , isn’t it? “Partly funded by…” I think would have deflected that criticism.
And are they rightly called a “lobby group”? I really don’t know, but it seems to me that if they’re offering $10,000 to scientists for reports regarding government policy it wouldn’t be stretching too much to call them a “Lobby group.” But I could be wrong.
Aside from that, attempting to spin their way out of this seems beyond ludicrous. They’re offering money for “scientific reports.” I’m really surprised they’re even talking about this.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmThe fact that they have to put a bribe out there is all anyone needs to know about the merits of anyone who takes them up on it.
Is there anyone who had to be bribed to contribute to the IPCC report?
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmWell seeing how Global Warming Skeptics are being ostrasized by their politically correct betters is it any wonder that those skeptics aren’t going to do a bunch of research out of the goodness of their hearts with no money?
Geez. duh.
Is everything on this list a regressive paranoid 15 Minute Hate?
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmAnd see this (pdf). It’s an open letter rom the “Interfaith Stewardship Alliance” to the signers of “Climate Change: And Evangelical Call to Action.” Because those crazy evang’s are going all envirofascist, dyk?
One of the signers of the open letter, just to note, is Stephen F. Hayward. Another is Kenneth Green. They’re the two guys from the AEI who wrote the letter offering $10,000 for “research.”
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmAEI = All ExxonMobil Indoctrination
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmSpoken like a hypocrite funded by George Soros, et al. I wonder what the last conservative cause Soros donated $$$ to.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmIt turns out Professor Steve Schroeder has even more integrity than Drs. Hayward and Green gave him credit for in their letter to him of July. Prof. Schroeder refuse to sell his integrity for thirty pieces of silver, or $10,000.00 in oil money.
Gig ‘Em, Aggie Professor, Gig ‘Em!
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:01 pmThe second and third sentences of #11 should read:
“…more integrity than Drs. Hayward and Green gave him credit for in their letter to him of July 5, 2007. Prof. Schroeder refused to sell his integrity for thirty pieces of silver, or $10,000.00 in oil money.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmAEI Senior Fellow Frederick Kagan is the author of the “New Way Forward” plan for Iraq that President Bush went with instead of the advice from the Iraq Study Group.
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ blumenthal/ 2006/ 12/ 20/ bush_war/ index.html
(Concerning Bush’s “New Way Forward” plan on Iraq.)
This ‘new’ plan was authored by Frederick W. Kagan, a neoconservative at the AEI. It just so happens that this person (F. Kagan) is the son of Donald Kagan, a PNAC member who just happened to be the co-chairman of the September 2000 PNAC report entitled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses - Strategy, Forces, And Resources For A New American Century”.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmI don’t know why I was shocked to see that AEI was funded by ExxonMobil..
Spoken like a hypocrite funded by George Soros, et al. I wonder what the last conservative cause Soros donated $$$ to.
Comment by valiant venus
I bet it wasn’t Ralph Reed whom said that you are wackos.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 pmAEI will offer an honoraria of $10,000. …
Those people don’t even know their English; how do you expect them to know science?
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmI wrote that incorrectly. He isn’t a Senior Fellow, he is a Resident Scholar.. (Frederick Kagan). Sorry.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmAn Inconvenient Truth comes to the right conclusions about the seriousness of global warming; plus we ought to be grateful these days for anything earnest at the cineplex. But the film flirts with double standards. Laurie David, doyenne of Rodeo Drive environs, is one of the producers. As Eric Alterman noted in the Atlantic, David “reviles owners of SUVs as terrorist enablers, yet gives herself a pass when it comes to chartering one of the most wasteful uses of fossil-based fuels imaginable, a private jet.” For David to fly in a private jet from Los Angeles to Washington would burn about as much petroleum as driving a Hummer for a year; if she flew back in the private jet, that’s two Hummer-years. Gore’s movie takes shots at Republicans and the oil industry, but by the most amazing coincidence says nothing about the poor example set by conspicuous consumers among the Hollywood elite. Broadly, An Inconvenient Truth denounces consumerism, yet asks of its audience no specific sacrifice. “What I look for is signs we are really changing our way of life, and I don’t see it,” Gore intones with his signature sigh. As he says this, we see him at an airport checking in to board a jet, where he whips out his laptop. If “really changing our way of life” is imperative, what’s Gore doing getting on a jetliner? Jets number among the most resource-intensive objects in the world.
This raises the troubling fault of An Inconvenient Truth: its carelessness about moral argument. Gore says accumulation of greenhouse gases “is a moral issue, it is deeply unethical.” Wouldn’t deprivation also be unethical? Some fossil fuel use is maddening waste; most has raised living standards. The era of fossil energy must now give way to an era of clean energy. But the last century’s headlong consumption of oil, coal, and gas has raised living standards throughout the world; driven malnourishment to an all-time low, according to the latest U.N. estimates; doubled global life expectancy; pushed most rates of disease into decline; and made possible Gore’s airline seat and MacBook, which he doesn’t seem to find unethical. The former vice president clicks up a viewgraph showing the human population has grown more during his lifetime than in all previous history combined. He looks at the viewgraph with aversion, as if embarrassed by humanity’s proliferation. Population growth is a fantastic achievement-though one that engenders problems we must fix, including inequality and greenhouse gases. Gore wants to have it that the greener-than-thou crowd is saintly, while the producers of cars, power, food, fiber, roads, and roofs are appalling. That is, he posits a simplified good versus a simplified evil. Just like a movie!
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February 3rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmOh almost forgot! Now I can activate my tracking device and follow you wherever you go. Wherever and whenever you surf, I`ll be there. Silently watching from a distance your every move, your every nuance, your every keystroke.
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February 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 pmThey’ll need that $10000 after the National Resources Defence Fund guarantees that they never recieve grant money from anyone ever again.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pmJet Mech=Barfly
I debunked that inane font rant of yours last nite.
Comment by Jet Mech
Debunked?
Yea you debunked me alright. I took the tracking device off today by the way…
After I downloaded the contents of your hard drive to mine.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:31 pmVery interesting reading, except of course for the child porn.
So, if ExxonMobil funds AEI, and AEI put out the “New Way Forward” plan for Iraq that called for a “surge”, then shouldn’t ExxonMobil help pay for the “surge”?
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmYou can’t even get my name right (it’s not Barfly) and now you claim ridiculously that you took the tracking device off (which never existed) and downloaded my entire hard drive.
You really are a complete psycho. I signed off after I posted that last nite (dialup) You are really really really lame.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 pmTroll unsuccessfully tries to distract from the point of the article that started this thread, by trying to change the topic to: An Inconvenient Truth; last century’s headlong consumption of oil, coal, and gas; living standards throughout the world; trademarks and copyright seals; and, finally, spyware.
Let’s get back to the topic at hand:
It turns out Professor Steve Schroeder has even more integrity than Drs. Hayward and Green gave him credit for in their letter to him of July 5, 2007.
Prof. Schroeder refused to sell his integrity for thirty pieces of silver, or $10,000.00 in oil money.
Gig ‘Em, Aggie Professor, Gig ‘Em!
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:41 pmYour ascii art is even lamer than you are.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmHell. For $10K I’ll start my own ‘crazy guy against global warming’ blog.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmProf. Schroeder refused to sell his integrity for thirty pieces of silver, or $10,000.00 in oil money.
Sadly though Exxon will find shills to take their money (Jonah Goldberg, Dsouza et al)
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 pmBack on Topic.
An Inconvenient Truth comes to the right conclusions about the seriousness of global warming; plus we ought to be grateful these days for anything earnest at the cineplex. But the film flirts with double standards. Laurie David, doyenne of Rodeo Drive environs, is one of the producers. As Eric Alterman noted in the Atlantic, David “reviles owners of SUVs as terrorist enablers, yet gives herself a pass when it comes to chartering one of the most wasteful uses of fossil-based fuels imaginable, a private jet.” For David to fly in a private jet from Los Angeles to Washington would burn about as much petroleum as driving a Hummer for a year; if she flew back in the private jet, that’s two Hummer-years. Gore’s movie takes shots at Republicans and the oil industry, but by the most amazing coincidence says nothing about the poor example set by conspicuous consumers among the Hollywood elite. Broadly, An Inconvenient Truth denounces consumerism, yet asks of its audience no specific sacrifice. “What I look for is signs we are really changing our way of life, and I don’t see it,” Gore intones with his signature sigh. As he says this, we see him at an airport checking in to board a jet, where he whips out his laptop. If “really changing our way of life” is imperative, what’s Gore doing getting on a jetliner? Jets number among the most resource-intensive objects in the world.
This raises the troubling fault of An Inconvenient Truth: its carelessness about moral argument. Gore says accumulation of greenhouse gases “is a moral issue, it is deeply unethical.” Wouldn’t deprivation also be unethical? Some fossil fuel use is maddening waste; most has raised living standards. The era of fossil energy must now give way to an era of clean energy. But the last century’s headlong consumption of oil, coal, and gas has raised living standards throughout the world; driven malnourishment to an all-time low, according to the latest U.N. estimates; doubled global life expectancy; pushed most rates of disease into decline; and made possible Gore’s airline seat and MacBook, which he doesn’t seem to find unethical. The former vice president clicks up a viewgraph showing the human population has grown more during his lifetime than in all previous history combined. He looks at the viewgraph with aversion, as if embarrassed by humanity’s proliferation. Population growth is a fantastic achievement-though one that engenders problems we must fix, including inequality and greenhouse gases. Gore wants to have it that the greener-than-thou crowd is saintly, while the producers of cars, power, food, fiber, roads, and roofs are appalling. That is, he posits a simplified good versus a simplified evil. Just like a movie!
Notice how the faux pas Joanie Doe didn`t start using the trademark and copyright seal of , the real Joanie Doe until I started to?
Joanie Doe ®™
Oh almost forgot!
Now I can activate my tracking device and follow you wherever you go. Wherever and whenever you surf, I`ll be there. Silently watching from a distance your every move, your every nuance, your every keystroke.
And by the way, I know who you are. I know everything about your computer and your connection.
Happy surfing and thanks for picking up the copyright and trademark seal and allowing my tacking device to be planted on your hard drive. A reformat won`t even get rid of it.
Notice in my post 58. The TM seal is missing on purpose?
As soon as the imposter copied and pasted it into the name box and clicked ” Post I Agree ” , as soon as this person clicked POST
from that moment on I claimed that posters machine.
I can`t believe anyone would be so dumb as to miss a nuance like that. Oh well.
Happy surfing.
Don`t go anywhere I wouldn`t.
Literally. Sarcasm/OFF
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmTrust me I know where you live Jaquez.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmWas listening to Neil Bortz’s radio show tonight and he had a doozy of a list of claims supporting his skepticism of global warming. Went to his web site and here are a few reasons he lists:
- The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world’s dominant capitalist economies.
-The United Nations is anti-American and anti-Capitalist. In short .. I don’t trust them. Not a bit. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world.
- Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don’t seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming.
- Because many of these scientists who are sounding the global warming scare depend on grant money for their livelihood, and they know the grant money dries up when they stop preaching the global warming sermon.
- There are about 160,000 glaciers around the world. Most have never been visited or measured by man. The great majority of these glaciers are growing, not melting.
- Like Antarctica, the interior of Greenland is gaining ice mass.
More reasons are at his Web site.
Not surprisingly, he does not list any sources for his claims. Not that I’ll get an answer, but I am going to send him an e-mail and ask for his sources.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmOnce again, the Nasty Troll unsuccessfully tries to distract from the point of the article that started this thread, by trying to change the topic to: An Inconvenient Truth; last century’s headlong consumption of oil, coal, and gas; living standards throughout the world; trademarks and copyright seals; and, finally, spyware. Call Troll Busters!”
Once more, let’s get back to the topic at hand:
It turns out Professor Steve Schroeder has even more integrity than Drs. Hayward and Green gave him credit for in their letter to him of July 5, 2007. And of course, he has more integrity than the nasty little troll, who has NONE!
Prof. Schroeder refused to sell his integrity for thirty pieces of silver, or $10,000.00 in oil money.
Gig ‘Em, Aggie Professor, Gig ‘Em!
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmLet’s get back on topic. These are tough times for global warming deniers. They are in their last throes, if you will, and it isn’t a pretty sight.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmThis is what I don’t understand … Bush and the Republicans are so adamant on getting Americans together behind a single issue … an issue that transcends party… something everyone can get behind and contribute to help out with… such as they perceive WWII to have been, an all out effort from everyone in the country to overcome an obstacle.
Climate change and global warming is just that, an issue that should have bipartisan support to work towards correcting. Instead of taking initiative and seizing this opportunity to unite the country behind one front, neocons attack and make it a partisan issue. This only confirms how stupid they are to sacrifice one of those rare issues which could unify a people. Then again, I should not be surprised since this administration sucked the life out of the spontaneous unity created by the 9/11 attacks.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmWho are the “progressives” going to blame Global Warming on Mars on?
http://www.canada.com/ nationalpost/ story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0
Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public, politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize. Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking, where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
“One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,” NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency’s Mars Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. “In some low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated.” With each passing year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up its climate secrets.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmWho are the “progressives†going to blame Global Warming on Mars on?
Mars doesn’t follow the same orbit as Earth, and it has it’s own solar cycles. As I said before Earth goes thru natural carbon cycles. We are exacerbating the problem. None the less if the Earth is warming, by whatever means, it is a problem and fossil fuel burning isnt helping. Not to mention that alternative energy would reduce our reliance on foreign oil.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 pmWho are the conservatives gonna blame our reliance on foreign oil on?
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:20 pmThis destroys any remaining belief that the American Enterprise Institute is a serious scholarly organization.
AEI calls themselves bi-partisan. I seriously doubt that claim.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:22 pmWC, the points you repeat from Bortz’s web site are crap, every one of them. The first two, which merely speculate at the sordid motives of other countries, don’t actually address global warming science at all. These ad hominem attacks are pure drivel, a couple of red flags that Bortz is off his rocker. The claim that scientists have ignored variability of solar output is a lie. It has been examined in great detail by the scientific community, which has concluded by near-universal consensus that it cannot explain the observed climate trends. The claim that vast numbers of scientists are lying in unison about global warming in order to get grant money is preposterous. The other claims are grossly misrepresented, as well.
Pathetic.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmThe claim that scientists have ignored variability of solar output is a lie. It has been examined in great detail by the scientific community, which has concluded by near-universal consensus that it cannot explain the observed climate trends.
What of earths magnetic field VK? I have read where it has been decaying over the last few thousand years and may soon flip.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:35 pmComment by VerbalKint — February 3, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
He said he had many other reasons to be skeptical of the global warming threat, but he didn’t have time to list them because he was out of time and had to go on the air.
Just looked at his list again. Is it just me, or does he display a bit of a contradiction? On the one hand, he is poo-pooing global warming, but in one of his reasons…
Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don’t seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming.
…isn’t he suggesting that there is global warming, thanks to a warmer sun?
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:39 pmDear AEI, AIE, or whoever the hell you are,
I’m prepared to take you up on your offer. Besides the $10,000.00 though, I want your house in the Hampdens, your beautiful wife (to sell into the white slave trade), your firstborn son (to keep around for fun and games), and your eldest daughter (to also sell into the white slave trade). Oh, and leave your dog for security around the house and the keys to your Jag. Thanks.
Love, Satan
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:43 pm#35 - Vince P,
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pmThere is not much ice melting on Mars. No surface or orbiting probe has found irrefutable proof of the existance of water on the Martian surface. The surface temperature ranges from plus 20 to minus 140 C. The polar caps concist of solid CO2 (measured by observing the infrared levels at which CO2 sublimes). Their ebbs and flows have been recorded for about 90 years. No significant change has been recorded. While the temperature at the Martian poles has remained constant for the last twelve years on the basis of direct orbiter infrared instrument measurements, that, at the poles of the Earth have risen by 2 to 3 degrees Celcius.
Stupid space removing blog software.
If your on windows spudge there is a clear font alt+0160. try that. =)
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pmI love the No-Break Space ☺
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pmSEIXON wants to know where he can pick up his packet of $10,000 cash in unmarked $100 bills > lol.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 pm⤠Im on OS X fonts are a bit different
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Well, as Vince seems reluctant to talk about his lack of recognition in realspace (quelle surprise), I think I’ll take the kids to the park. I’ll try to stop in later or tomorrow. No doubt Vince will be here when I do. Hey Vince, do me a favour: say hi to michael for me.
Comment by Dryveby — February 3, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Are you really still here, Vince? If so, I think it likely that you just blew away michael’s I-hang-around-here-for-the-negative-attention record.. Congrats.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 pm#54 reminds me of Sybil. âž‘
Heh.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmSpose I could collect a cool ten grand by coming out and saying global warming doesn’t matter because some day the sun is going to explode?
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmJust sayin?? Wishin, hopin, dreamin….
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February 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmIs thisa space?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmThe crimes committed by Exxon Mobil and their conspirators can only punished by death.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 pmUmmmm, Hello??
Anyone home?
I first posted this at 10:10AM yesterday morning.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 pmA little slow on the uptake, are we?
…and it was old THEN……
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:20 pmtru-blu
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:21 pmH_________________U______________H__________?
true,
You posted all those comments by yourself? :-D
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:24 pmhttp://physicsweb.org/articles/world/20/2/3/1
✔ Well it’s time to gear up on this warming thing. Pretty good article and up to date. ✔
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 pmof course I wasn’t #54 when I posted that =(
Damn you TP! Haw! Its now #53 and will likely change again.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 pmguess I’m a troll now.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:35 pmfine.
don’t need this shit
Oy true,
Have you started waking up each morning under a bridge? Try not to let the warts and chin hairs get out of hand.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 pmZep,
Why do you keep changing your name?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmguess I’m a troll now. fine. don’t need this shit
Comment by trueblue
Welcome to the non-troll troll club!
TP has been doing that to me for some time even though my posts contain links that back up their articles.
Go figger.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmZep,why do you keep changing your name?
Comment by Zooey
Not because I want too, the filter fairy doesn’t like me for some reason.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 pmMaybe it’s cause I won’t put my real email address in the box.
If you go against the Leftist groupthink you’re a troll. independent thought not allowed! There’s Tolerance to be had!!
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmMaybe it’s cause I won’t put my real email address in the box.
Comment by Jet Mech
For the longest time I had one on there from my Zookeeper days. Why the rebellion? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:48 pmIf you go against the Leftist groupthink you’re a troll. VP
I dunno bout that, seems the trolls such as Seixon or MA or NED or Rachel never have problems.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 pmThere’s Tolerance to be had!!
Comment by Vince P
I appears you’re allowed to think, Vinnie P.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:53 pmStart tolerating….
Why the rebellion?
I don’t put my email addy into any websites. =)
Damn tubes!!! lol
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:53 pmDid anybody else notice that the AEI solicitation letter sets the due date for the draft paper as December 15, 2007? And that the whole purpose of the plan was for the paper to be published concurrent with the release of FAR in spring of 2007?
This can only mean one thing. AEI has perfected its time machine. That explains why they’re not worried about global warming. When it gets bad, we’ll all just hop in and and go back to a cooler time.
I vote for the 60s…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 pmI don’t put my email addy into any websites. =)
Damn tubes!!! lol
Comment by Jet Mech
So the filter fairy knows if you made one up? Weird.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 pmFAR in spring of 2007? David
Whats or who is FAR?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 pmSo the filter fairy knows if you made one up? Weird.
Comment by Zooey
We don’t see each others email address, but they they do. IF they tried to send one it would come back as unknown =)
But not really so weird MSN used to validate emails before you could use their MIRC chat (for online gaming)
February 4th, 2007 at 12:01 amWell Zep, or Jet Mech, whoever,
In the last 40 hours I’ve slept 2. I’m going to see if this sick body will let sleep — finally.
My ex used to be an A&P mech, so your new name sort of freaks me out. :P
I expect you’ll have to change it soon enough…
Goodnight.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:10 amTry not to let the warts and chin hairs get out of hand.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:10 amIsn’t this the same IPCC study that endorsed using mirrors and reflective dust in the atmosphere to cool the earth down?
Btw, Frank Rich explains how “Dick Cheney Cracked Up.” Another must-read from the master.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:11 amwarts and chin hairs get out of hand.
Comment by Zooey
Them ear hairs can be a dead giveaway =)
February 4th, 2007 at 12:13 amMy ex used to be an A&P mech, so your new name sort of freaks me out. :P I expect you’ll have to change it soon enough…
Goodnight.
GN Zoo. Don’t worry I’m not your Ex, My ex lives in Texas =)
February 4th, 2007 at 12:18 amIsn’t this the same IPCC study that endorsed using mirrors and reflective dust in the atmosphere to cool the earth down?
You know what gets me, is that there are some 80 cloud seeding operations in effect, yet no one seems to acknowledge that.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:21 amHell,
They don`t have to pay me for tearing down the Democratic Party.
I gladly volunteer my services these days.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:33 amThey don`t have to pay me for tearing down the Democratic Party.
I gladly volunteer my services these days.
Comment by Joanie Doe ®™
Thats funny. But the GOP has plenty of hookers and sluts already working the moral value voter compassionate convention. Heh
Plus you haven’t fooled anyone but yourself.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:45 amWhats even funnier is that you, Joanie, still think Bush is a conservative.
LMAO!!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:46 amJust browsing around… and it is pretty bad out there. Nero-Bush is losing more ground, but the ugly doomsday machine it has ignited and stoked will likely put us all under, well before the streets in Manahttan are flooded. But wow, it is so very encouraging to see how the profiteers of Middle East instability use their insane profits. On the one hand they are using the money to make propaganda ads about clean energy filled with images of children playing in the green grass, and on the other the execs that work for these government sized corporations don’t have the guts to actually help turn around the obvious (a strategy that Bush has picked up on). We all know warming can’t be reversed at this point, but the debate should vigorously center on the levels of pollution being created, especially in the US and China. Its disgusting. But the recent UN report was a dream for the pollution PR machine - tell Americans they can’t do anything about something anyway, and they will refocus on what’s in the fridge and what the next idiot show is on TV. We can’t do anything about Global Warming, no need to even have a discussion about how oil is destroying this country in other ways. They must have been clucking about that one in Houston.
And many here wonder why most of the planet despises us ? Sleep children, sleep…
February 4th, 2007 at 12:57 am12 Recommendations to End This War.
1) Take a shower.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:06 am1a) Take out your copy of The Big Lebowski or Farenheit 911 depending on your level of psychopathy for the day.
2) Shave your face or your legs depending on sex.
Well….er…uh..you are Democrats so EVERYONE go ahead and shave.
3) Find a pair of socks that match. No holes please!
4) Please DO NOT wear sandals to this job interview. Burger King frowns on this.
5) Come up out of the basement and bum 20 bucks from your mom for gas and eats.
6) Come to the realization that just because you are an American Democrat, doesn`t mean ANYONE owes you shit!
7) Come to grips with the fact that not all of us Americans agree with paying for all of your pork barrel pet projects.
8) Understand that rogue states such as Massachusetts DOES NOT represent the heartbeat of the nation as a whole.
9) Admit to yourself that the Bible was in fact correct, ” For it is good for a man to work, and a woman to nurture ”
10) Admit to yourself that you refute the Bible in that you kill the innocents and the children. Jesus EXPRESSLY FORBADE THIS!
” Leave the little ones alone ” - ” Those who harm the little ones, there is a special brand of my wrath in store for you ”
11) Kiss all of the Burger King assistant manager ass you can muster. Really lay it on good and thick. Tell them your a dumb democrat waif, and you HAVE to work now since your entitlement programs are slowly coming to an end. Ahh drats! Party`s over freeloaders.
12) Get a job to fund this war through tax hikes that the Democrats will insist on.
Bush himself may even have to make these hikes before his term is finished.
And these tax hikes trust me, they are coming. Drastically.
Along with unemployment and economic collapse.
Das Manifest
“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can’t reach.” -Strother Martin
Above any programming skill, security system or computer hardware knowledge (some of us don’t even know a shit about computers), we all share the same disgust about the lack of respect and the perpetual repression made among us, our peers and our race in general. A world afloat in lies and more lies, in public opinion manipulation, corruption, reality alleviators and so-called needs designed by a few marketing graduates and psychologists who learned pretty well how to use the remaining human innate skills in order to hook the people and use them as tools to perpetuate their absolute monarchy. This is how the hive protects itself from evolution. The queen doesn’t have to fight to stay king of the hill, workers fight each others, the same way we does, getting trained to see each other into one single dimension, to see each other in binary, a combination of 011010 and XX or XY ultimately creating the illusion of a human frame. That process is going on from such a long time that most of us actually trained themselves and succeeded to become that kind of pathetic array of binary coding… “Should I choose between the face lift or these silicone tips? Or let’s get both…” and you will be the idiot getting excited by her new binary array next week. No place left for feelings. In fact, you now have to pay to buy your feelings daily to fill up the empty spaces of your 9 to 5 nightmare. Feelings has become a business in itself and you can be sure an healthy-food psychologist faggot will end up cashing them into a brand new BMW convertible to show how many tormented souls he pretends he cured. A dumb blind confederation of suburban idiots congratulating themselves having the same blood type than Tom Cruise and a larger swimming pool than next door’s neighbor.
Everything has become easy enough to allow the dumbest otist to do whatever kind of activity they can actually pay for. Universities and college-level schools now promotes “learning disorders” with special bursaries while most of the true lunatics end up screwed in the administrative catch 22. This is what our “democracy” is about: leaving our faith in the hand of any two-legged brainless monkey. The word “democracy” itself became the worst buzzword of all. Why worrying you might wonder? “Life’s just too short anyway” you say, and if you think too much, you might end up missing your daily sitcom on your 27″ digital flat screen. Time factor has nothing to do and there is no justification for allowing senselessness. People are getting brain-dead to the point where they are actually paying to advertise the shit they are consuming at a depressing rate. Society has became a huge McDonald’s. Everybody has become similar under the neon lights that irradiates shafts of broken glass. The way the Industrialized North pulls the strings with that “globalisation” process is such that if a painter would mix his entire color palette into one big melting pot leading to a disgusting uniform brownish tone. And when something looks brown, smells like shit and tastes like shit, chances are good that this thing turns out to be shit. This is precisely what is happening from too much uniformity, this race for nationalism and the way we have to mass-market any kind of processed junk all around the planetary beehive.
People are getting crazy, everywhere it’s getting worse. Between a life based on the latest hollywood crappy scenario and their own personnal twisted minds corrupted by a childhood being driven by Kraft processed cheese and happy purple dinosaurs singing non-sences. The problem arises from far behind the fact that the regulations that outline our lives are sketched by a buch of individuals who lives in skycrapers and gather an overwelming wealth from exploiting the average. The real enemy is this average itself, the John Doe who allow these opportunists to screw us up until “we will be so poor and cowed that when They will come to take away our kids we won’t complain, but thank them” as stated by the Reverant Stang. You may think you are in a free country with free speech and free press… Get real, you are free to choose between NBC (owned by Microsoft and G.E. who also owns FOX Network), ABC (owned by Disney) or CBS (owned by Viacom who also owns MTV, Paramount, Famous Players, Blockbusters and name it). Useless to say that these few corps also owns thousands of radio stations, cable/local tv networks, movie/music distribution companies, magazines, major newspapers and so on… well, they own about anything you could possibly imagine. As a matter of fact, it is obvious that there is always somewhere a bigger fish. It has also been obvious that 1984 happened way back in ‘53. Media control is just another step towards mind control. The collective alienation reflects itself in every single aspect of our disfunctional society so that we each other become our own enemies. As stated by Albert Parsons, “formerly the master selected the slave; today the slave selects his master”.
You might say “ahh, that’s just another 21 years old left freak that took Marx too seriously” well, there was indeed a time I enjoyed myself going to the movies and looking at Rambo digging holes in dozens of Vietcong, but then you realized that these Vietnamese are now forced to shoot defoliant and herbicide that will end up in their irrigation system in the cotton crop they are forced to grow and ship overseas to be bleached somewhere where there is no regulation about the use of carcinogenic chlorine bleach. You realize that this bleached cotton crop is then sent to sweatshops in Pakistan where 1.5 million children from 10 to 14 years old catch contagious diseases such as malaria and tuberculosis for being packed into insane conditions for transforming the cotton into fabric that is going to be sent to Bangladesh in a free trade zone factory where they pay a father who has to fed his 12 children because he doesn’t know shit about contraceptives 30 cents an hour of grunt work to sew the damn fabric and ship it to your beloved USA who decides to move the damn plant to Mexico where workers got cancers after spending half of their lives printing the Tommy logo on the goddamn piece of fabric that end up with a production cost of about one hundredth of its selling price that you are going to pay at the mall you are mindlessly shopping every Friday evening. You are not supposed to know that, but you just knew it and once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
What does that has to do with a little team of pseudo-hackers playing with a few softwares in their filthy basement you might wonder. Well, we think that if everybody works in the same way, hackers as well as any other citizen living under the post-modern rise of the megacorporations, we might eventually stop performing these murders and insanities at a massive scale and start using our monkey smartness for something else than our own dumb selves. Forget about which republican or democrat clone puppet you will vote for, which clone car you will buy or whatever else self-centered activity. Turn off your tv and stop thinking about what AT&T and G.E. want you to think about and start using the remaining not-yet-altered part of your brain for a collective purpose.
- The Crimson King 02/04/2007
February 4th, 2007 at 2:39 amThe Crimson King = Joanie/angie/rachel b./patricia
February 4th, 2007 at 3:15 amcomment deleted
February 4th, 2007 at 3:58 ampissed off taxpayer
Ways to show the Rightwing are idiots:
1: Point out the thread they are on is one all about “Conservatives” bribing people to tell lies about their research.
2: Point out that you can’t accuse liberals of limousine liberalism, and then try to put them down as unemployed.
3: Point out that the vast majority of university students and graduates have always traditionally been liberals.
4: Point out that you can’t accuse the American judiciary of being liberal - while at the same time accusing liberals of being unemployed.
5: Point out that the so-called liberal media may well be liberal for a reason - namely the BS the rightwing spews being, in fact, BS.
6: Point out that for all of their tough talk on the war on terrorism, conservatives seem happy, indeed thrilled, to fund the people who fund terrorism via fighting against anybody even suggesting, that going off of oil would be a good idea (40% of the world’s oil comes from the Middle East, along with Hezbollah, Al Qaeada, and any number of terrorist groups.)
7: Point out that for all of their tough talk on the economy, the Republicans have achieved the worst deficits in American history - without including the Iraq war in those deficits.
8: Point out that for all their tough talk on supporting the troops, the Republicans have sent those troops into a warzone, where if the troops lose equipment in combat, they are obliged to pay for that equipment. Further, those troops have been given sub-par equipment in the first place.
9: Point out that for all of their self-righteousness on gays getting married, for all of that vague talk about “American values” conservatives spew, the rightwing will solidly defend its government’s right to torture, invade their privacy, and silence their freedom of speech.
10: Point out that for all of their claims against the liberal hippies of the sixties, those hippies won and then moved on with their very successful lives as doctors, lawyers, bankers, manufacturers etc… The losers apparently have not.
And as a bonus point…
11: Point out that for all of their tough talk on corruption, K Street was a purely Republican bribery scandal.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:04 amThe AEI’s letter made me laugh. These nimrods don’t even know that honoraria is a plural.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:35 amThat figures. It’s the only way you’ll get people to speak out against global warming.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amThis is kinda off-topic from the AEI idiocy, but if anybody hasnt had a chance to check out the convenient truths video contest, you should scope it out. Videos have to be between 1 minute and 2 minutes and can be shot with a digicam or cell phone cam… so anyone can do it. Not too many entries so your chances of winning are actually pretty damn good. 26 days to submit… workin on mine…
February 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amAEI
check this out http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0612-09.htm
U.S. Conservatives Take Aim at NGOs
“On the global political front, international NGOs, which led the fight for the global ban on anti-personnel mines, the Kyoto Protocol to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, and the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court (ICC), are pursuing a “liberal internationalist” vision that is very much at odds with that of the Bush administration, according to American University law professor Kenneth Anderson”
“NGOs have created their own rules and regulations and demanded that governments and corporations abide by those rules,” according to AEI and the conference co-sponsor, the rightist Institute of Public Affairs of Australia. “Politicians and corporate leaders are often forced to respond to the NGO media machine, and the resources of taxpayers and shareholders are used in support of ends they did not sanction.”
February 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmBribery for lies! Bribery for Lies!
February 4th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAny takers?
Hello, All. I feel somewhat like a party crasher here, but I just want to make a few counterpoints. It won’t take long.
1. Four years ago, my wife and I were finally able to take the “inland passage” Alaskan cruise. I remember well the glaciers, the historical maps showing the steady (almost unanimous) glacial recessions decade by decade, since Capt. James Cook (1795′ish) to present.
Logical conclusion: The Earth is in a long term warming trend, at least since the time when these glaciers formed. This warming trend commenced without any help or hindrance from mankind.
This means the warming trend might well continue, without any help or hindrance from mankind. So, if our ultimate goal is to stop “global warming”, we may be frustrated by Mother Nature. If our goal is redefined to “stop human caused global warming”, that’s a little better, except it becomes pretty hard to measure. How much of a temperature rise do we attribute to Nature, and how much of the same rise do we attribute to human activity? That answer can get pretty political.
Less political, and more scientific, is the data on CO2 the past 100 years or so. Earth is teeming with, as Spock would say, “carbon based life forms”. When carbon is increased on the planet’s surface, carbon based life forms increase. (If you have a favorite plant or animal, there’s a good chance it’s a carbon based life form!) There are too many scientific studies to mention here, we can just say it’s what one would expect in the model, and it’s what one has seen in the real world in the last century.
Hey, wait a minute. This would mean that as we bring more crust embedded fossil fuels to the surface, we actually increase life on the planet! Well, yes, that’s what it means… it’s just a scientific fact which we need to acknowledge for honesty’s sake.
Does this mean we can go about our collective lives polluting at will, bulldozing down the Amazon forests, and putting Shamu in a glass tank? Not hardly! We still have to take care of where we live, as best we can.
But this doesn’t mean shouting down anybody who disagrees with the current (and always moving) tide of consensus. Drs. Sally Baliunas and Willie Soon, for instance, are real scientists, with real data, and real arguments suggesting that we move a little carefully with this current craze. In the pursuit of the Truth (always a worthy endeavor), we should at least look at opposing sides of an issue to see if any merit exists, before we lock in our opinion.
Later, guys…
February 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by Barfly
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Comment by Barfly
February 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBarfly,
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Ooops! wrong blog.
TP PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GO THRU
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February 4th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI think we all need to stop refering to it as “Global Warming,†and start using the broader name of “Climate Change.” Global Warming is just part of human induced Climate Change. If we use “Climate Change,†it won’t be as easy for Fox News and similar skeptics to say Global Warming can’t be true because it’s 20 below zero in the Midwest, or an ice storm just hit the east coast. Research studies and documents refer to the broader problem as Climate Change, I think it’s time for the media and the public to do the same.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:55 pm105:
I already brought up that point back on Jan 29 on this thread
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 01/ 29/ 13-percent-of-americans-global-warming
Quote 54:
It’s not “Global Warming†anymore, now it’s “Climate Change†, that way no matter what the weather does, the Leftist Tryannists (I made up that word) can continue thier attempt to destroy Industry.
Comment by Vince P — January 29, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
February 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm“The only matter that AIE is concerned about is fecal matter, because they’re a bunch of shitheads. ” Lib in NM
“Liberal” is such a pretty name for such an ugly poster. Your mom said to tell the thread she doesn’t know where you picked up such dirty language.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:39 amPeople keep on forgetting, as has been demonstrated by the righties here, that the rightwhinge likes being lied to. Look at ‘em, they are arguing in favour of an organisation which is outright offering bribes to anyone who can speak out against global warming.
That is the final distinction, the rightwhinge, unlike the rightwing which is just generally mistaken, likes being wrong.
Newsflash Rightwhinge: We don’t really care if your feelings get hurt you wussies, we don’t care if you don’t like the truth, and frankly we don’t care if you think that this will mean you won’t get that armegeddon you want so badly.
You bastards have ignored warning after warning, and frankly there is a school of thought within scientific communities which states that it is too late because you wankers refused to listen to people who actually spent their entire adult lives studying the subject. It was far more convenient for you rightwhingers to pooh-pooh the idea and attack the messengers, even on shit which didn’t actually happen.
We don’t care anymore whether or not we have your buy in, we care about making sure that tomorrow, we have a world we can live in. We don’t care whether or not you respect us, because frankly you lost our respect years ago when you started championing torture and calling that America’s ideals. We don’t care about your opinion anymore because you whiny sots have proven once and for all that your opinion is not worth anything.
And if I am coming off as being a bit emotional, well lets just say its the whole survival of the species thing speaking.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:13 amVince P. The current data saying the Earth is warming is based on ongoing scientific research by World wide non-partisan organizations. Regardless if one believes the warming is human induced or not, it’s been proven that there is indeed a warming trend. Claiming that the Earth can’t be on a warming trend because it snowed in Minnesota one day or an ice storm hit Boston is unscientific, not time proven, and not globally considered.
February 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmDave: I didn’t comment on the validity of thesis that the earth is warming. If it is, then fine, it is. What I challenge is the anthropomorphic view that humans are the cause of it.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:23 amVince P. My argument is that even if human induced climate change is not occurring, we should still be working towards lowering emissions, improving automobile mileage standards, cleaning up pollution, making energy distribution more efficient, and developing more sustainable forests. Aren’t those all good things? We should start addressing the issues in a globally, smart and economical process. This would create cleaner communities, save people money and create jobs in the long run without jeopardizing the current economy. Instead each political side is currently stuck in blaming the other side through partisan politics and not much has been accomplished in the past 30 years.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:28 pmNothing wrong with your objectives, what I find objectionable is having our economy regulated by some external authority. So if the US govt or a local State govt wanted to pursue those goals for their own sake, I have no objection.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI agree with you Vince, it would be better for the government to take the lead, but they aren’t. A growing number of state governments are currently taking the initiative on several of these issues. We just need the federal government to start. And like you said, that would be better than an external agency regulating it.
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