Bush: Iraq war is “sapping our soul.”
By on Feb 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Bush: Iraq war is “sapping our soul.”
Attending a caucus retreat today, President Bush “told Democrats in private that he empathizes with their anguish on Iraq, saying the war is ’sapping our soul,’ according to two officials who attended the session.”
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“As I am without a soul, I empathize that the War is sapping yours”
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:19 pm–GWB
if he was smart, he’d resign.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmPluralis majestatis – The Royal We.
Shut up, Chimpy….
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmWhere is your smirk, and what are the voices telling you now?
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm“We were honored by your presence. We’re also encouraged by your remarks,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Uuuuuugh! You were not retained to play nice nice with this Criminal. Sadly these corporate shill Dems are not going to do sh*t and walk blindly into another a$$woopin in Iran. It is truely disheartening to see the once great Nation rot from the within.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmhmm, Bush looks just a little uncomfortable in this pic, no?
and as for ’sapping our souls’ that’s his job.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm(w/a little help from his friends Dick, Condi, et al. )
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Idiot
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmSpudge, I wonder if good old boy Jeb had anything to with the quick Florida response. Hell yeah on the no bipartisan crap. Why does Chimp get any benefit of the doubt. Disaster after disaster, screw him. They should be dragging him out of the white house in chains. Grow a freakin spine Democrats and do what WE enabled you to do.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmPelosi needs to start telling the TRUTH about Iran or she’s no better than bUsh.
Iran does not have a single nuclear bomb. Iran is experiencing apparently insurmountable problems enriching uranium. Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be “wiped off the map.†Instead, he quoted Khomeini who declared the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.†The words “Israel†and “map†were inserted by the New York Times, based on a deliberate mistranslation by MEMRI, an organization run by a former Israeli intelligence officer.
Kurt Nimmo.com
From the Kahoneez
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmYes it’s true, Bush, you are sapping our souls. We’re counting the days until you’re impeached, you immoral bastard.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmBush: Iraq war is “sapping our soul.†– spoken by the Soul-Sapper-in-Chief:
Yet that is the continual rhetoric. ‘If you oppose the escalation, your patriotism is in question. If you vote to cut funds, you’re hurting the troops.’
Bi-partisanship is used as a club against Democrats while Republicans filibuster ethics reform and a minimum wage hike, and argue semantics on a non-binding resolution against Bush’s War.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 pm“You know, I welcome debate in a time of war and I hope you know that,” Bush said in opening remarks…
He said disagreeing with him over the war…does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.”
B U L L S H I T …
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmEmpty words from a president that put us in this situation. Nothing but lip service.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmto #12:
Here are some things the Iranians have said
The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils†– the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,†says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.â€
The IRGC chief warned that Iran was seeing through “critical days†and “fate-determining yearsâ€. He described the purpose of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution as the “Salvation of Muslims†from the hands of the “oppressive U.S. and Israelâ€.
“The final goal of the revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€. – commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmFirst, you have to have a soul to be sapped, you silly sap, a-hole. Get a grip, Mary!
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmBush likes to use that word: homeland. He uses it a lot. He even made a Department, for it. They only other nations that have used that word to thier advantage in our lifetime have been the Russians and the Nazis. How did we allow this term to become introduced into our vocabulary?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:02 pm#9 – “And criminal prsecution of PNAC, big oil, big defense and the scum at Fox News”.
I am detecting a HUGE appreciation of the 1st Amendment by some…
(sarcasm off)
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmthe photo in itself reflects the sorry state of political leadership in America. Real “leadership” is on Wall St. All the rhetoric of war on Iran is immaterial..the DOw just keeps rising
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmCakeWalk,
“if he was smart, he’d resign.”
I think the answer to that is in the statement.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis entire article pissed me off to some degree or another.
“deep divisions over the Iraq war need not bring anyone’s patriotism into question”…
sure… unless you are a liberal, a Democrat, a progressive over the period of the past 4-6 years. WE have been called very talking point name they can come up with implying we are unpatriotic, unAmerican, radical whacko hippies, etc… and now we are supposed to buy this crap?
“You know, I welcome debate in a time of war and I hope you know that,”
okay, but you have absoluetly no intention of listening to any reasonable intelligent point brought up therein…
“as many in the room do — does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.”
NOT what everyone NEOCON said for years, but now, again, NOW, we are to believe this?
“We do agree about the desire to work together and I really appreciate you letting me come by.”
Do we? How are those signing statements coming along, Mr. Prez… if you do not agree with Congress, you whip that pen out and defy them as usual.
“I listened to many members here, I listened to members of my own party, I listened to the military and came up with a plan that I genuinely believe has the best of succeeding,” the president said”.
And then again, I ignored and defied them ALL – I AM the DECIDER!
“He received applause for repeating his insistence that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government in Baghdad must show tangible improvement on the political front”.
No shit Sherlock, this is new?
“There’s benchmarks that they have got to achieve.”
Blah, blah, benchmarks, blah blah… more of the same
“I look forward to working with you,” he said. “I know you’ve probably heard that and doubt whether it’s true. It’s true.”
…says the Liar in Chief, of course we doubt it, you rarely give us any reason to do otherwise.
And on and on and on it goes, and it really pisses me off, as they all APPLAUD him consistently and constantly. What are they applauding, his ingenuity, his forthrightness, his “truthiness”… or HIS LIES?
That kind of hypocritical obeisance is not what I voted for in Nov 06. I understand they must show him respect, as their office and his office dicates in this type of setting. BUT, it is really a slap in the face to Democrats and most Americans in my opinion.
This article really made my stomach turn. I would love to believe they all mean what they asay, but I think we all know better by now.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmSo, when do we storm the Bastille?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
As soon as you get that greasy potato unwedged outta your ass
GREASY POTATO IN THE BUTT BOY!
aka> Spudge_Boy
Sorry to cut in and embarrass you, but you know? you deserve it greatly.
As for the rest of you?
You may resume your regualrly scheduled program.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmThere is NO legitimate reason for Bush to have been allowed at a Democrat Caucus Retreat! Bush is NOT a Democrat, nor do we want him to become one either. I am sure that Karl Rove told Bush to go there to fool Pelosi and Reid to NOT impeach him. Bush is a snake so he makes the Democrat leadership to look silly. Plus he is about to attack Iran and Congressional Democrats will fall into a trap to go along with it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmWho can argue? We have a soul, he is the sap. If he is impeached our soul is rid of him and ready for bigger and better things and he can use his sap to polish the bars in his cell.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmTO #18.
Whoop de doo. Hitler and the third reich was going to rain for a thousand years. Khrushchev said he’d bury us. So another lunatic has an agenda, whats new about that, after all we have our own.
Iran has no modern history whatsoever of warmongering, I can’t say the same for the U.S.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmIF ONLY BUSHES PARENTS HAD WATCHED NANY 911 we would not all be in a state of perpetual war
Bush and Cheney must have been kids that chopped legs of spider with penknifes for fun .
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmBUT, it is really a slap in the face to Democrats and most Americans in my opinion.
Comment by Kat — February 3, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
And dear?
That`s what it remains.
Your SOLE opinion.
You don`t speak for me and you sure as hell don`t speak for the rest of the country.
Bush is extending an olive branch. Why can`t you forget about the past and move on?
Why be so vindictive. You say bush is a psychopath.
He is sure showing signs of getting BETTER if he is a psychopath by extending the olive branch. What do you progressive fools do?
Break it in half like a small child, and throw it back at him.
You have no wherewithal for political strategy do you you numbskull.
Have you ever heard of domestic diplomacy?
Nothing more needs said really.
Nuff said.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmSanto are you rachel and others on here too?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmWhy does George look all stiff? Does he have something shoved up his backside; his best-side? Maybe it’s the U.S. constitution, that has been missing for so long. What a patronizing prick.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmThe [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils†– the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,†says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.â€
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Most countries have plans drawn up to attack other countries around the world. There may come a time when you have to attack an enemy or an ally.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:18 pm#29, never said psycopath… is that your word?
DIPLOMACY? This adminstration has trashed even the thought of diplomacy. It is a talking point to them, nothing more.
Vindictive? More like ANGRY…
Sorry, I just do not blindly accept what is said when there is so much in the past 6 years that shows Bush means very little he says, and does even less than he says he will do.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmEvery time I look at his picture I feel insulted to my core. He is an affront decency and reason. He offends me viscerally, intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually.
When is it going to stop—-the tolerance for this imbecile?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmA sapless soul (one lacking strength) is another way of the Decider calling the Democrats cowards, yet they are honored by the torturers presence and applaud his continued name calling. Is it any wonder Cheney calls all of them stupid?
We need a new party that will represents us.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmOops, did I write rain, obviously I meant reign.
But while I’m back on here I gotta say, give me a break Iran couldn’t do more than fight to a draw with Iraq over the course of eight years and you expect people to believe that they (the boogey men) have “29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the west” that they are going to what.. attack? I suppose they also have WMD and ties to Binladen. Give it a rest.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmA WOMEN SCORNED
Hillary Won’t Rule Out Attacking Iran
Hillary Clinton Calls Iran a Threat to US, Israel
If anybody votes for this witch we are in bigger trouble
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm#35 : Why create a new party? What’s wrong with the Communist Party?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:23 pmThe War In Iraq is “sapping our soul”…
Well, for starters, one can only assume (or at least hope) that he wasn’t using the word “our” in its pluralis majestatis form…although if he were, it wouldn’t surprise me all that much.
So let me see if I understand this right…the War In Iraq is “sapping our soul”, and so that’s why we actually need to have more of it in the form of a troop escalation?
Sorry — does not compute. Am I the only one who’s having trouble understanding the logic of this?!?
According to the article, He said disagreeing with him over the war — as many in the room do — does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do. You can get that thought out of your mind, if that’s what some believe,” the president said. “These are tough times, but there’s no doubt in my mind that you want to secure this homeland as much as I do.”
Oh, yeah? You might want to tell that to people like your Press Secretary and your Vice President, Mr. President — because they’re still making comments which imply what you’ve just denied, that anyone who disagrees with you is unpatriotic at best and allied with the terrorists at worst.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmIs your ass hot?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhen is it going to stop—-the tolerance for this imbecile?
Comment by s — February 3, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Damn Commie Narcissist.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmGo to hell.
Bush has no soul nor does Satan. This is more lip service as Lieberman spies on what’s next for the Dems. Our soldiers are dying as his Satan worshiper lies and uses the media to spread those lies. Americans should stand up for the troops. Florida and New Orleans voters have to pay taxes but get no help, the money goes to Iraq/Afghan war profiteers instead.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhat’s wrong with the Communist Party?
Comment by Vince P
That it does no good in a society full of ignorants.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmjim dandy,
I’ve witnessed bush in action long before becoming the resident of the white house, I suffered as a subject when he was governor. In my opinion (I figured I had better qualify that as that would be your firstcomplaint) he is not extending anything. He was, is, and shall always be an idealogical zealot and he does not compromise, ever.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmHe is a dogmatic idealogue zealot that although talks compromise never does so. He should be considered the enemy, forever, period.
A new Democratic Party?
How about a revamped Communist Party.
You could call it the
Collective Communist Party of America
CCCA for short.
Just like the old days huh Democrats? CCCP?
Worthless ingrates.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmCaption contest:
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmI’ve witnessed bush in action long before becoming the resident of the white house,
Comment by Rocks911 — February 3, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Sure you have. You`re aother banwagon-eer just like the rest of this progressive rabble you call your own.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pm#49 Zooey – LOL! Priceless. Thanks for the chuckle!
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe pic above makes Pelosi and Hoyer to appear gullible. Bush looks uncomfortable because he is standing very close to Pelosi who he actually would probably like to strangle to death. Bush figures if he sucks up to Nancy a little, then she will never impeach him.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmBTW: Yes it is hot…
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Link, please. :)
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmI’m Tammy Bruce
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmIs it jim dandy or jin dandy,
Whatever, thats the usual lame attempt to marginalize someone by asserting they are lying, to that I would say screw you retard, I live in Carrollton TX a suburb of Dallas TX and am a fireman in Richardson TX. Lived here for nearly thirty years and suffered at the hands of these backward assed republicans and can hardly wait to get out of this backward assed state. To get back to the point Dubya is the enemy. Gotta go…
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmWhat soul? Bush doesn’t have one. He doesn’t have a heart or a brain, either. And he sure as hell doesn’t have courage.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:44 pmWhat is this? A troll convention? Rachel, Aphrodite and Joanie all change names faster than George Bush changes propaganda technique. He still can’t chew gum and hop-scotch at the same time. Tra-la-la…
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:44 pmI don’t care what he says at this point. It’s too little, too late. He is not to be trusted with an iota of point or fact. He’s a perverse scum-bag in charge of a country when he can’t even control his bowel movement adequately. Give up the ghost, Bush. Step down and become an ordinary citizen. ORDINARY is something you should know a lot about.
#37 …… Hillary wants to be anti war and pro war in the same time….that is going to be a big problem for her. She was in Iowa last week claiming that had she knew then what she knows now ,she would not have voted to give Bush the authority to use force and invade Iraq…then she goes few days later to New York and calling for a war against Iran speaking to her Jewish supporters and her big AIPAC check writers of her campaign. Hillary skipped town to go to Iowa so she does not have to be face to face with Americans who came to washington demonstrating to end this war. When the hearing about war in Iraq was conducted by the Senate Armed Service Comittee,which Hillary is memebr, she took off in a long trip to Iraq and Afghanstan,so she will not be heard on the record. She wants on one hand to look anti Bush war, but also pro war against Iran to satisfy her AIPAC supporters. AIPAC and Neocons are nothing but one coin with two faces….This might have worked in the past…but people will not be fooled by her position.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmWashington’s New Do-Nothing Congress filled with Demublicans.
Like Dracula : Chimpie is sucking the Lifeforce from the US and the Demublicans are Spineless for not putting an end to this Illegal war.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmHillary Bin Laden wants to start another one with Iran.
If Bush said “the war is sapping our soul” as opposed to “his war is sapping our soul” then, as usual, he’s not taking responsibility. It wasn’t long ago Bush was bragging about being a “war president”. It doesn’t take much intelligence to know that one who wages war brings only death and destruction which, of course, “saps one’s soul”.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhat soul? Bush doesn’t have one. He doesn’t have a heart or a brain, either.
Comment by VerbalKint
Maybe he should follow the yellow road…
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmAre the Democrats just another Branch of the War Party?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmIt is the Occupation in Iraq that maybe sapping some souls. As if politicians have an souls
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmHe looks like a corpse in that picture. The undead have no soul.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmAccusing people of lying is like the national pasttime in here.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmHillary Bin Laden wants to start another one with Iran.
Comment by Kurt
As always, ruling class has to defend ruling class interests…
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:51 pm“Attending a caucus retreat today, President Bush ‘told Democrats in private that he empathizes with their anguish on Iraq, saying the war is ’sapping our soul,’ according to two officials who attended the session.’â€
Does he even have a soul?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:54 pmHere’s a list of quotes of Democrats who claimed Iraq had WMD and advocated for Regime Change
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/iraqquotes.html
I didnt’ want to paste a super long post here.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:55 pmCaption : “Thank God I put on my Depends, that sure was a good b.m.”
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmVince P is the new Seixon…
Trying to get people to go to his Pro-Bush blog to read his demented tripe.
I wouldn’t go to Seixon’s and I won’t go to yours Vince (unless you grow a brain and have something valid to say… But I’m not holding my breath considering you’re a gay Republican – which is as self-deriding as being a female Christian).
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmAnd the occupation in Afghanistan is not going so well either
Afghan Town Is Overrun by Taliban
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/world/asia/03afghan.html?ref=world
Is the GWarOT working at all, or just breeding them at an ever faster rate!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmHere’s a list of quotes of Democrats who claimed Iraq had WMD and advocated for Regime Change
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmComment by Vince P
Hey, can anyone please care about this?
I’m not a Republican. I’m independent unaffiliated voter.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spudge
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No more needs said really.
Nuff said.
Joanie Doe ®™
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pm#49 Zooey: appropriate and true. Bush has no soul.
Reichwing trolls; Make Love Not War- hug a hippie today.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmI’m not a Republican. I’m independent unaffiliated voter.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
If it walks like a necon and talks like a neocon, guess what Vince?
Independents don’t slam liberals (because Independents vote Democrat and/or Republican), don’t repeat conservative talking points, and don’t defend the Bush Regime anymore…
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmBush is just softening up the Dems for his request for more money for Iraq/Afghan war profiteering. Now with now rubber stamp he has to trick the Dems into giving him an open check again. Look for Lieberman the spy to let Bush/Cheney know what happens after Bush leaves. New Orleans is still waiting for they money but Senator Vitters agrees with the President not to spend the state any money. Senator Vitters is selling out his state for Bush. To think the people that suffered the most don’t have anyone to represent them. Senator Vitters is lining his pockets while turning his back on the people. If anyone comes out of this meeting believing one word that Bush has said then they have been brought and paid by the GOP. Bush hasn’t told the truth since he took office and he will continue to lie.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmNearly 3100 US souls have been seperated from their bodies.
How much money has been sapped from the US treasury?
“empathizes with their anguish” , yes, sure thing George!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:15 pmJackie,
Are you suggesting Bush ever told the truth before he entered office?
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:15 pmIn #62, I believe that Juan C was refering to the Wizard of Oz where the ‘Yellow Brick Road’ was the path to courage, a heart and a brain. The yellow road is just as apt, but I do not think that W can hike on his belly.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmHe is the sap that started this shit and he could stop it tomorrow if he wasn’t a sappy shit. Just impeach the sorry bastard and we can do a happy blog on Saturday afternoon!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmZooey: appropriate and true. Bush has no soul.
Reichwing trolls; Make Love Not War- hug a hippie today.
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Hi, Uncle Ho. I got your cold. :(
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe yellow road is just as apt, but I do not think that W can hike on his belly.
Comment by WaltTheMan
What the yellow road means?
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmWow, cool, I am famous!
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Only in Your Own Mind
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pmBTW, Walt do you have a book that you can recommend me about Johannes Gutenberg?
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhat’s wrong with the Communist Party?
Comment by Vince P
That it does no good in a society full of ignorants.
Comment by Juan C — February 3, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Juan C is all for Communism if it is ” done the right way ”
Juan? Go back to Venezuela and engineer your own coup you
jackass Commie Pinko Fag.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmZooey; sorry about that. Spent most of the day in bed, going back to it. Hope you feel better soon. Chicken soup for the soul(and mind and body).
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pmChicken soup for the soul(and mind and body).
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Don’t forget the cayenne pepper. Damn, this is a bad one….
Hope you feel better soon!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 pmThat it does no good in a society full of ignorants.
Comment by Juan C
For example:
Juan? Go back to Venezuela and engineer your own coup you
jackass Commie Pinko Fag.
Comment by Commie Killer
Coups against Chavez were supported by US.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmBush on budget
“Controlling spending also requires us to address the unsustainable growth of entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid,” Bush said. “Spending for these programs is growing faster than inflation, faster than our economy, and faster than our ability to pay for it.
Less means more at home… but spending more on his wars is achieving less
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmYeah, me too. I’m sick of bi-partisim (however the hell you spell that word) too.
When the pugshits voted along party lines for years it was okay. Now the scumbags are whining that this is not the way to acheive goals.
Impeach all republicans. They are scum.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmWhat does he know about soul — he’s the guy who looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul. He’s always talking about people’s souls — perhaps because he doesn’t have one and he’s looking for one to adopt.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmBush is sapping the soul of the nation; he has to go.
“I’m not a Republican. I’m independent unaffiliated voter.”
Bill O’reilly? The racist.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmIran does not have a single nuclear bomb.
Comment by Kahoneez
Link please
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmBipartisanship: Bush on a budget. We don’t need to be/act/ feel bipartisan; it will get us nowhere, fast. Just initiate impeachment proceedings against the bastard and get to work tearing down what he has built-up and installed, Congress. It’s that simple.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 pmhe’s not smiling in that picture
he’s not clapping either
hhmmmm
stuffed shirt
manequin
was he really there, or is that one of those things you pose with?
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pmlol
We finally found the 29 percenters. They are the members of Congress.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:34 pmre#100 hacker bob
How does a “link” prove or disprove whether or not Iran has a nuclear bomb?
We know for a FACT that nations with nuclear bombs have tested at least once, right?
We know for a FACT that Iran has NOT detonated a nuclear bomb at least once, right?
Locically it would seem that Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, right?
Locically why is it RIGHT for the United States to have MANY nuclear bombs, while it is WRONG fo Iran to have ONE nuclea bomb?
Can you say HYPOCRITES?
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:38 pm#90 – Juan C,
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmI am not into reference books as so much info is available on the WEB now. The following WEB site offers links to the history of printing: http://inventors.about.com/od/pstartinventions/a/printing.htm . Johannes Gutenberg is in the links there. I would like to have a copy of one of his Bibles, but it seems to be beyond my meager means. If memory serves me, John von Newman wrote up a short article on him. von Newman had relics from Gutenberg in the foyer of his house in Pennsylvania.
“You know, I welcome debate in a time of war and I hope you know that,†Bush said in opening remarks…
He said disagreeing with him over the war…does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.â€
B U L L S H I T …
Comment by katy — February 3, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Indeed! But did he say disagreeing with him over the war…does not mean “you are emboldening the enemy?”
Don’t think so.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 pmIt’s not like Bush needs to appeal to a higher authority to bring them back. He IS the president after all. If the war is sapping our soul (though ’spirit’ would seem more apt than ’soul’) then oh, maybe we should leave. It’s no longer an effective political maneuver, it’s just f*cking stupid. When Bush leaves office, will there be anyone to employ him into a high paying, do nothing job like happens with most presidents? Or will they be like “Even doing nothing he’ll hurt our company too much.”.
What a flip flopping darsh.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:06 pm“He received applause for repeating his insistence that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government in Baghdad must show tangible improvement on the political frontâ€.
“There’s benchmarks that they have got to achieve.â€
And if they don’t, what then? We’ll slap their hands? Cancel the Iraqi government’s subscription to Playboy?
Oh, I remember. They must “show tangible improvement on the political front or they will lose the support of the American people.”
Yeah…that’ll show them.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 pmHere’s a list of quotes of Democrats who claimed Iraq had WMD and advocated for Regime Change
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/iraqquotes.html
I didnt’ want to paste a super long post here.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
And here’s a quote from Republican senator Pat Roberts saying he’s not quite sure that Congress saw the same intelligence that the President saw, as Bush has claimed:
Use TP’s search function to find the source. The date is 11/13/05.
And while I am at it, let’s hear from Former European CIA Chief Tyler Drumheller, courtesy of Crooksandliars.com:
You were saying, Vince…?
How about a list of Republicans who said that, yes, we saw the same intelligence as the White House.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmThis points out one of the many problems we have with Bush. He and his group have demonstrated they think leadership is all about PR and spin, not about substance, since he has the ultimate power to do what pleases him.
BTW, responding to trolls like Spudge_Boy merely wastes your time and encourages more empty verbiage from the troll. This is actually one of the rare cases where ignoring something actually does make it go away.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmI wonder if its better to have your soul sapped or lose your head…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2583241,00.html
Al-Qaeda tells British cells to carry out wave of beheadings
David Leppard
ISLAMIC terror cells in Britain have been instructed to carry out a series of kidnappings and beheadings of the kind allegedly planned by the nine terrorist suspects arrested in Birmingham last week.
The “strategic†assassination instruction was issued by Al-Qaeda’s leaders in Pakistan and Iraq to dozens of their followers in this country. It was uncovered by MI5 last autumn, senior security sources say.
As a result police are on standby for multiple attempts by terrorists to kidnap and then behead people across Britain. MI5 is conducting a counter-terrorism surveillance operation to prevent such an attack.
The alleged attempt to kidnap and behead a Muslim soldier or soldiers in Birmingham was just the first of a series of planned attacks, security sources say.
The revelation explains the recent deployment of a permanent SAS unit to London. The unit has been placed on 24-hour standby to respond to a terrorist attack in the capital. It would aim to carry out a hostage rescue mission within minutes of being alerted.
Muslim police officers serving in London may also be given extra protection. The Association of Muslim Police is in talks with the Met, which is expected to carry out a risk assessment of the dangers.
One well placed source said: “Cells in the UK have been alerted to carry out this type of attack as opposed to the more sophisticated type of bombing in which you place a large number of volunteers at risk. All you need for a beheading is a bit of courage and a sharp knife.â€
The order to encourage “low-tech†assassinations is said to follow a review by senior Al-Qaeda planners after an alleged plot to smuggle bombs onto airlines was foiled by police last August.
The order encouraged followers to adopt the tactics used by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former Al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, who was behind the abduction, torture and beheading of Ken Bigley, a British engineer, in Iraq in 2004.
Bigley, 62, was kidnapped and filmed on video begging for Tony Blair to end the war before being beheaded. Footage of his “execution†was later posted on the internet.
After learning of the alleged Birmingham plot to behead a British Muslim soldier returning from Iraq or Afghanistan last autumn, the Ministry of Defence spent several months trying to establish how many soldiers fitted into this category.
After focusing on soldiers in the regular army, the Royal Marines and the Territorial Army, officials whittled the list of potential targets down to fewer than 10.
These soldiers were warned about the potential threat and advised on protection measures, or given the means to protect themselves. Sources said several of the suspects were personally acquainted with the Muslim soldier who was said to have been lined up as their first victim. The soldier, a corporal in military intelligence, is said to be under close protection.
The surveillance operation in Birmingham was stepped up at the beginning of last month when scores of detectives were seconded from the Greater Manchester police to join their colleagues in the West Midlands anti-terrorism unit.
The decision to arrest the nine suspects is said to have been made after one of them was seen buying a video camera in an electronics shop last weekend
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 pmi love that picture. just love it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:39 pmBTW, responding to trolls like Spudge_Boy merely wastes your time and encourages more empty verbiage from the troll. This is actually one of the rare cases where ignoring something actually does make it go away.
Comment by Sam Thornton — February 3, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
You’re new around here, aren’t you?
Spudge is not a troll.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 pmdouble-speak, again, another tirade about all muslims cutting off our heads bullshit. Vince have you realized the irony of all this. Do you know al qaeda is sunni muslim, who are fighting shi’aa muslims at the moment in Iraq. Yet, if we are after a sunni muslim organization, why is bush always complaining about Iran………
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 pmAnd the fact that Saddam was a national socialist………..Leftists are not for muslim extremists, you are. I would love to see osama, the one who hijacked Islam, dead.
Walt…you ARE the man. Thanks.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pmHey folks notice we are all talking about Bush and not anything the Dems might do. Once again the Dems are undermined. The Dems should have said he wasn’t welcomed to their retreat. Anyone who has secret prisons of torture should be barred from speaking.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pmHere’s a list of quotes of Democrats who claimed Iraq had WMD and advocated for Regime Change
I didnt’ want to paste a super long post here.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
And need I remind you that Repub Sen. Pat Roberts has said that it was of concern that Congress did not see the same intelligence that the White House did. There is a post on TP about it…look it up.
And check out a quote from former European CIA Chief Tyler Drumheller, on crooksandliars.com:
So how about it, Vince? Care to point us to a list of Republicans who said, YES, we saw the same intelligence as the WH?
(Looks like the posts are screwed up again. Some showing up fine, others not. Sorry if this shows up as a double post.)
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 pmThere is NO legitimate reason for Bush to have been allowed at a Democrat Caucus Retreat!
Comment by Jay Randal
*****In complete agreement with you.Why did the Dem leadership seek this out is beyond me.We all know that everything coming from Bush is a lie.Anyone think if the dems were in the minority role in congress he would have appeared.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:56 pmJoanie downloaded a trojan.
Heh.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:04 pmDon’t you mean Royal Wee Wee Zooey?
smirk
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm#116 – Juan C,
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 pmI had no idea what you were after. If you can read German, there are many sites available. By the bye, von Newman should be von Neumann – he spelled it in the former way on his mail box.
#116 – Juan C,
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 pmWhat are you after anyway? Gutenberg is one of the most foremost of German inventors. I remember when Pops hauled me to von Neumann’s house and I saw those carved letters and sizing trays.
Nice Job, Bushie. Our soul has been sapped. Have you noticed that thanks to you and your illegal War, the USA has zero credibility among our Allies and nations of the World?
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:31 pmDon’t you mean Royal Wee Wee Zooey?
smirk
Comment by Jet Mech
Heh. Wee are amused. :P
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:34 pmI am surprised the press did not tell us about Rep. Pelosi’s clothing in that pic above? A blue Armani jacket, probably cost $2,000 or more > lol.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmCaption contest ~
Bush thinking (how do I get this fork outa my ass without Pelosi noticing? Wait, are they applauding for me? Woohooo!)
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmBush was at the Dems retreat because the elitists want to show us that our co-equal branches of government are still cordial, civil, and open to bipartisanship…
…the temperature in this country is getting awfully hot, and it ain’t due to global warming alone…
…But the Democrats seem more and more in cahoots with this Repulsivescam criminal Bushite junta…
…the proof is in the funding…
…if they continue to play along giving Bushiva his “one last chance”…
…that’s proof positive that there is NO loyal opposition…
…watching the DNC winter meeting today was very eye opening for me…
…Mike Gravel (a heretofore invisible Democratic ex-Senator/now presidential candidate)…
…in his speech outlined EXACTLY what’s wrong with America…
…most of the delegates (I think they were DLC’ers) sat on their hands…
…Gravel’s speech was spot on, but the audience as a whole seemed reluctant to embrace it…
…America isn’t ready for the TRUTH…
…given that fact, she must accept whatever tragic consequences that befall the wilfully and woefully ignorant…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:04 pmThe Democrats need to come out swinging. There is evidence from the Libby Trial that shows BOTH, Cheney and Bush were behind the outing of Valorie Plame and the destruction of Brewster and Jennings as a CIA cover corp. Treason at the highest ranks folks.
If that is not enough to impeach both Cheney and Bush, then this country is totally lost to the corporate elite already.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:03 amI’m not a Republican. I’m independent unaffiliated voter.
Comment by Vince P
Ho, ho, ho … that’s what they’re all claiming, now that it’s messed up, beyond hope of fixing. And they now think that they can have it both ways: first by not signing up to fight in their clash of civilizations, and now by claiming to be independent, and disavowing any attachment whatsoever to this failure. Why does Judas suddenly spring to mind? I guess it would be ironic, really; Bush’s 30%’ers only sticking around because they don’t want to repudiate their past records of support, and look like the flip-floppers and cowards they really are, not because they believe in the man and his mission. To admit willful ignorance would put them on the hook, morally, for all those dead . . .
February 4th, 2007 at 1:05 amWe all need to see a shrink for allowing this president to lie to us.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:09 amWayne, do you think the reason Harriet Myers resigned so close to the start of the trial, is because she might be implicated, or might have “quilty knowledge,” and didn’t want to be a headache for Bush, politically if chosen to testify? You’d think if a conspiracy case was taking form, she’d have been in a prime position to have known it’s shape, and scope.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:11 amI’m not a Republican. I’m independent unaffiliated voter.
—- Vince P
No your not, you’re a Bush suckup, your posts show that. Independants helped kick the Republican majority out last november. I believe alots of the posters here have claimed to be independants, such as myself, because we truely do not trust either party.
We Independants…… We expect the truth. Just so happens the Democrats are just a bit more truthfull than the Republicans right now. More than a bit, alot more truthfull.
Your posts are nothing short of Bush worship and “damn liberal bashin’ “. Your just a 3rd rate neocon troll.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:17 amYou’d think if a conspiracy case was taking form, she’d have been in a prime position to have known it’s shape, and scope.
—- Barfly
Not gonna speculate on Myers, since nothing is in the public yet. But I do think Fitz is gonna bust open the Bush administration before this trial is over with. And evidence presented in trial and posted on the prosecution’s web site for the world to see if going to be hard for the Democrats to ignore, IF they are not already bought.
It all comes down to how far the tentacles of the “Robber Barons” ( I am really glad Webb used that term ) reach into the Democratic Party. We already know there is no corner of the Republicans that is not corrupted by them.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:25 amBut I do think Fitz is gonna bust open the Bush administration before this trial is over with. And evidence presented in trial and posted on the prosecution’s web site for the world to see if going to be hard for the Democrats to ignore, IF they are not already bought.
The dems might get shamed into it, if the Wilson civil suit is allowed to proceed. Anything brought out at Libby’s trial is fair game, and with the lower standard of proof required, perhaps Libby will finally desert Cheney, if facing a truly financially ruinous court decision which will affect his ability to make money on the wingnut welfare curcuit. Fitz is a gamesman, and has no doubt considered how to use the civil suit as a weapon for his own prosecution.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:34 amHe just may be the ticket America needs to get us out of the pile of crap Bush has gotten us into.
—- Spudge_Boy
Hopefully there will be more in congress that follows his lead. And yeah his military experience is a real plus in my book.
Fitz is a gamesman, and has no doubt considered how to use the civil suit as a weapon for his own prosecution.
Comment by Barfly
Read up on the history of Fitz and his trials. His takedown of the mob was nothing short of masterfull. He is playing for maximum damage to all of the guilty parties, you can bet on it.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:44 amoh please stereotype me more, bigots.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:45 amoh please stereotype me more, bigots.
Comment by Vince P
No need; you’re cartoonish enough without our help.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:48 amOh dont tell me.. you’re a “Uniter”
February 4th, 2007 at 1:52 amoh please stereotype me more, bigots.
Comment by Vince P
Vince, Vince….
Your own posts are what stereotypes you here.
Less of the bashing, name calling and more backing up of your claims when challenged.
Barfly….
Frank Rich in his collumn in the NY Times had this to say on the trial.
“Cheney was the hands-on manager of the 24/7 campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination, with Libby as his chief hatchet man,” Rich argues. “Though Libby’s lawyers are now arguing that their client was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the feds to shield [President Bush's Deputy Chief of Staff Karl] Rove, Libby actually was — and still is — a stooge for the vice president.”
February 4th, 2007 at 1:54 amWayne,
Webb’s speech after the SOTU was incredible. The kind of speech that makes you proud to be an American, knowing that there are still some politicans that give a damn about the people that he works for. I would vote for him in a heart beat. He seems like the real deal, plus military experience. He just may be the ticket America needs to get us out of the pile of crap Bush has gotten us into.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 4, 2007 @ 1:33 am
One speech and this clown is ready to make the guy President.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:00 amWTF? That sure is fucked up criteria for picking a President. Are you like 15 years old or what?
If the rules of logic applied here I would engage in the back and forth, but seeing how I’ve documented and backed up many of things I’ve said and the only reaction I get is comparasions that are besides the point or just about anything else accept actual comment on the thing I presented itself, I wont waste my time getting needled to death.
In this thread, of my comments:
#18 – Provided quotes from the Iranians themselves about their intentions
#71 – Extensive list of Democrats saying the same things Bush did for at least 6 years before the war. Suggesting soem people here are very selective when they dish out blame
#113 – Today’s story from the UK about a Muslim jihad cells being activated. Underscoring the global and unrelenting threat by those folks
Not sure what else I could provide.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:04 am12 Recommendations to End This War.
1) Take a shower.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:07 am1a) Take out your copy of The Big Lebowski or Farenheit 911 depending on your level of psychopathy for the day.
2) Shave your face or your legs depending on sex.
Well….er…uh..you are Democrats so EVERYONE go ahead and shave.
3) Find a pair of socks that match. No holes please!
4) Please DO NOT wear sandals to this job interview. Burger King frowns on this.
5) Come up out of the basement and bum 20 bucks from your mom for gas and eats.
6) Come to the realization that just because you are an American Democrat, doesn`t mean ANYONE owes you shit!
7) Come to grips with the fact that not all of us Americans agree with paying for all of your pork barrel pet projects.
8) Understand that rogue states such as Massachusetts DOES NOT represent the heartbeat of the nation as a whole.
9) Admit to yourself that the Bible was in fact correct, ” For it is good for a man to work, and a woman to nurture ”
10) Admit to yourself that you refute the Bible in that you kill the innocents and the children. Jesus EXPRESSLY FORBADE THIS!
” Leave the little ones alone ” – ” Those who harm the little ones, there is a special brand of my wrath in store for you ”
11) Kiss all of the Burger King assistant manager ass you can muster. Really lay it on good and thick. Tell them your a dumb democrat waif, and you HAVE to work now since your entitlement programs are slowly coming to an end. Ahh drats! Party`s over freeloaders.
12) Get a job to fund this war through tax hikes that the Democrats will insist on.
Bush himself may even have to make these hikes before his term is finished.
And these tax hikes trust me, they are coming. Drastically.
Along with unemployment and economic collapse.
12 Recommendations to End This War.
1) Take a shower.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:08 am1a) Take out your copy of The Big Lebowski or Farenheit 911 depending on your level of psychopathy for the day.
2) Shave your face or your legs depending on sex.
Well….er…uh..you are Democrats so EVERYONE go ahead and shave.
3) Find a pair of socks that match. No holes please!
4) Please DO NOT wear sandals to this job interview. Burger King frowns on this.
5) Come up out of the basement and bum 20 bucks from your mom for gas and eats.
6) Come to the realization that just because you are an American Democrat, doesn`t mean ANYONE owes you shit!
7) Come to grips with the fact that not all of us Americans agree with paying for all of your pork barrel pet projects.
8) Understand that rogue states such as Massachusetts DOES NOT represent the heartbeat of the nation as a whole.
9) Admit to yourself that the Bible was in fact correct, ” For it is good for a man to work, and a woman to nurture ”
10) Admit to yourself that you refute the Bible in that you kill the innocents and the children. Jesus EXPRESSLY FORBADE THIS!
” Leave the little ones alone ” – ” Those who harm the little ones, there is a special brand of my wrath in store for you ”
11) Kiss all of the Burger King assistant manager ass you can muster. Really lay it on good and thick. Tell them your a dumb democrat waif, and you HAVE to work now since your entitlement programs are slowly coming to an end. Ahh drats! Party`s over freeloaders.
12) Get a job to fund this war through tax hikes that the Democrats will insist on.
Bush himself may even have to make these hikes before his term is finished.
And these tax hikes trust me, they are coming. Drastically.
Along with unemployment and economic collapse.
Must see video.
Joe Doesn’t like being a terrorist sympathizer.
– Spudge_Boy
Wow, Joe was pissed. haha
February 4th, 2007 at 2:12 amThanks for the link.
Spuinge: Who said that? I must have missed it.
Taxpayer: stop being nutty.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:12 amCheney was the hands-on manager of the 24/7 campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination, with Libby as his chief hatchet man,†Rich argues.
Wayne, that’s my point; if threatened by a potentially ruinous civil-suit judgement against Libby’s future earnings, both on the meat-and-potatoes circuit, and with future book deals, the possibility of a bad court decision for Libby might cause him to peel off Cheney. Libby’s potential attorneys’ fees would be astronomical, and Crashcart Cheney would never see the inside of a prison, anyway, so . . .
February 4th, 2007 at 2:13 amDon’t get too excited about Rich’s book.. It was sent to the printers before it was found out that Bush opponent Richard Armitage was the one who let it be known that Joe was a benefactor of nepotism.
Why do you think the Media dropped this story like hotcakes once that was disclosed?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:18 amExtensive list of Democrats saying the same things Bush did for at least 6 years before the war. Suggesting soem people here are very selective when they dish out blame
Did any advocate immediate, armed invasion? Or did any say anything about yellowcake/Niger? Did any on your list cite connections between 9/11 and Saddam? Drones of death? Mobile weapons’ laboratories?
Saddam was effectively contained in a box — a very ragged, and sometimes smelly box — but he was no threat to other countries, as any use of troops outside of his clearly defined limits would have spelled disaster for his shaky regime.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:26 amOh i think you’re the bunghole. Cant take two minutes out of your hatefest.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:26 amSpuinge: Who said that? I must have missed it.
Taxpayer: stop being nutty.
—– Vince P
Read my comments on my wondering how far the tentacles of the corporate “Robber Barons” go into the Democratic Party. Thats just one example.
You must have missed my Hillary rant too, she has been a Lieberman clone up untill this last election, suddenly she shifts with the political winds.
read what we say Vince, and talk civil, we will talk civil back.
Taxpayer is the angie/rachel/santo/namechanging/genderchanging resident nut troll off it’s meds again.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:27 amDon’t get too excited about Rich’s book.. — Vince P
I posted about his comments on the trial, current events, Vince, not his book.
Why don’t you wander over to the trial site fitz has up, edumacate yerself Vince. =)
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
February 4th, 2007 at 2:31 amoops, my mistake.
I will tomorw.
I’m working on a RSS Reader I’ve been programming.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:37 amDas Manifest
“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can’t reach.” -Strother Martin
Above any programming skill, security system or computer hardware knowledge (some of us don’t even know a shit about computers), we all share the same disgust about the lack of respect and the perpetual repression made among us, our peers and our race in general. A world afloat in lies and more lies, in public opinion manipulation, corruption, reality alleviators and so-called needs designed by a few marketing graduates and psychologists who learned pretty well how to use the remaining human innate skills in order to hook the people and use them as tools to perpetuate their absolute monarchy. This is how the hive protects itself from evolution. The queen doesn’t have to fight to stay king of the hill, workers fight each others, the same way we does, getting trained to see each other into one single dimension, to see each other in binary, a combination of 011010 and XX or XY ultimately creating the illusion of a human frame. That process is going on from such a long time that most of us actually trained themselves and succeeded to become that kind of pathetic array of binary coding… “Should I choose between the face lift or these silicone tips? Or let’s get both…” and you will be the idiot getting excited by her new binary array next week. No place left for feelings. In fact, you now have to pay to buy your feelings daily to fill up the empty spaces of your 9 to 5 nightmare. Feelings has become a business in itself and you can be sure an healthy-food psychologist faggot will end up cashing them into a brand new BMW convertible to show how many tormented souls he pretends he cured. A dumb blind confederation of suburban idiots congratulating themselves having the same blood type than Tom Cruise and a larger swimming pool than next door’s neighbor.
Everything has become easy enough to allow the dumbest otist to do whatever kind of activity they can actually pay for. Universities and college-level schools now promotes “learning disorders” with special bursaries while most of the true lunatics end up screwed in the administrative catch 22. This is what our “democracy” is about: leaving our faith in the hand of any two-legged brainless monkey. The word “democracy” itself became the worst buzzword of all. Why worrying you might wonder? “Life’s just too short anyway” you say, and if you think too much, you might end up missing your daily sitcom on your 27″ digital flat screen. Time factor has nothing to do and there is no justification for allowing senselessness. People are getting brain-dead to the point where they are actually paying to advertise the shit they are consuming at a depressing rate. Society has became a huge McDonald’s. Everybody has become similar under the neon lights that irradiates shafts of broken glass. The way the Industrialized North pulls the strings with that “globalisation” process is such that if a painter would mix his entire color palette into one big melting pot leading to a disgusting uniform brownish tone. And when something looks brown, smells like shit and tastes like shit, chances are good that this thing turns out to be shit. This is precisely what is happening from too much uniformity, this race for nationalism and the way we have to mass-market any kind of processed junk all around the planetary beehive.
People are getting crazy, everywhere it’s getting worse. Between a life based on the latest hollywood crappy scenario and their own personnal twisted minds corrupted by a childhood being driven by Kraft processed cheese and happy purple dinosaurs singing non-sences. The problem arises from far behind the fact that the regulations that outline our lives are sketched by a buch of individuals who lives in skycrapers and gather an overwelming wealth from exploiting the average. The real enemy is this average itself, the John Doe who allow these opportunists to screw us up until “we will be so poor and cowed that when They will come to take away our kids we won’t complain, but thank them” as stated by the Reverant Stang. You may think you are in a free country with free speech and free press… Get real, you are free to choose between NBC (owned by Microsoft and G.E. who also owns FOX Network), ABC (owned by Disney) or CBS (owned by Viacom who also owns MTV, Paramount, Famous Players, Blockbusters and name it). Useless to say that these few corps also owns thousands of radio stations, cable/local tv networks, movie/music distribution companies, magazines, major newspapers and so on… well, they own about anything you could possibly imagine. As a matter of fact, it is obvious that there is always somewhere a bigger fish. It has also been obvious that 1984 happened way back in ‘53. Media control is just another step towards mind control. The collective alienation reflects itself in every single aspect of our disfunctional society so that we each other become our own enemies. As stated by Albert Parsons, “formerly the master selected the slave; today the slave selects his master”.
You might say “ahh, that’s just another 21 years old left freak that took Marx too seriously” well, there was indeed a time I enjoyed myself going to the movies and looking at Rambo digging holes in dozens of Vietcong, but then you realized that these Vietnamese are now forced to shoot defoliant and herbicide that will end up in their irrigation system in the cotton crop they are forced to grow and ship overseas to be bleached somewhere where there is no regulation about the use of carcinogenic chlorine bleach. You realize that this bleached cotton crop is then sent to sweatshops in Pakistan where 1.5 million children from 10 to 14 years old catch contagious diseases such as malaria and tuberculosis for being packed into insane conditions for transforming the cotton into fabric that is going to be sent to Bangladesh in a free trade zone factory where they pay a father who has to fed his 12 children because he doesn’t know shit about contraceptives 30 cents an hour of grunt work to sew the damn fabric and ship it to your beloved USA who decides to move the damn plant to Mexico where workers got cancers after spending half of their lives printing the Tommy logo on the goddamn piece of fabric that end up with a production cost of about one hundredth of its selling price that you are going to pay at the mall you are mindlessly shopping every Friday evening. You are not supposed to know that, but you just knew it and once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
What does that has to do with a little team of pseudo-hackers playing with a few softwares in their filthy basement you might wonder. Well, we think that if everybody works in the same way, hackers as well as any other citizen living under the post-modern rise of the megacorporations, we might eventually stop performing these murders and insanities at a massive scale and start using our monkey smartness for something else than our own dumb selves. Forget about which republican or democrat clone puppet you will vote for, which clone car you will buy or whatever else self-centered activity. Turn off your tv and stop thinking about what AT&T and G.E. want you to think about and start using the remaining not-yet-altered part of your brain for a collective purpose.
- The Crimson King 02/04/2007
February 4th, 2007 at 2:40 amoh brother.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:10 amI am only returning the favor you are giving everyone here.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 4, 2007 @ 2:55 am
Correction. Not everyone.
Just you.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:10 amThe Crimson King = Joanie/rachel
February 4th, 2007 at 3:11 amcomment deleted
February 4th, 2007 at 4:01 am“Vince P even told you to stop being crazy.”
In a man to man sort of way.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:05 am(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
Have you seen Obsession, the Movie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA
February 4th, 2007 at 4:34 amNancy Pelosi, and would-be presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have disported themselves before the Israeli lobby. Edwards is regarded in his party as a “liberal.” He was one of a high-level American contingent at a recent Israeli conference in Herzilya, where he spoke about “an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel (sic). At the top of these threats is Iran…. All options are on the table to ensure that Iran will never get a nuclear weapon.” Hillary Clinton has said, “US policy must be unequivocal…. We have to keep all options on the table.” Pelosi and Howard Dean, another liberal, have distinguished themselves by attacking former President Jimmy Carter, who oversaw the Camp David agreement between Israel and Egypt and has had the gall to write a truthful book accusing Israel of becoming an “apartheid state.” Pelosi said, “Carter does not speak for the Democratic Party.” She is right, alas.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:22 amApparently it’s not “sapping our soul” enough. Now the creep wants to sacrifice health care funding to pay more “sapping.”
February 4th, 2007 at 6:49 amI don’t like the rumors of additional sapping through an upcoming aggression against Iran before May. With tac nukes as a cherry on top! Would the military go along with that? Would it be time to Sarah Connor the White House and reserve a big room in Nüremberg?
http://www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=10452
February 4th, 2007 at 7:37 amI guess you dont care about Iran’s
Take over of US embassy in 79
Attack by proxy at Marine barracks in lebanon
Atttack at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia
Attack at Jewish Center in Argentina (or China) by proxy
The inflitration and degradation of Lebanon
Iranian military in Gaza
Iranian military in Iraq
Hezbellah in USA
Hezbellah in Venensuala.
By you’re going to use such harsh terms about this country? F you.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:42 amBush looks like he just realized ther’s a tarantuala on his back.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:59 am> By you’re going to use such harsh terms about this country? F you
Here is a hint: Radical Iran is a pure, unadulterated US product. Deal with it.
> Hezbellah in USA
LOL!
> Hezbellah in Venensuala.
LOOOOL!
Next: “Hezbellah in my Wal-Mart”
Oh and it’s spelled ‘Hezbollah’. Now squirrel back under the kitchen sink. Thank you.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:38 amI guess you dont care about Iran’s
Take over of US embassy in 79
Attack by proxy at Marine barracks in lebanon
Atttack at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia
Attack at Jewish Center in Argentina (or China) by proxy
The inflitration and degradation of Lebanon
Iranian military in Gaza
Iranian military in Iraq
Hezbellah in USA
Hezbellah in Venensuala.
By you’re going to use such harsh terms about this country? F you.
Comment by Vince P — February 4, 2007 @ 7:42 am
Thanks for the laugh.
Oh, we don’t care about Iran?
I’ve got two words for you: Iran-Contra.
NOW tell me who doesn’t care about Iran’s past.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:15 amIf the Iraq war is sapping our soul, what will the U.S. war with Iran be.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:18 amOh, and Vince, you still haven’t provided us with a list of Republican congressmen who agree that they saw the same intelligence as the WH did about Iraq.
As to your list of Democrats, just what is your point? You think that just because some Dems supported the invasion that we here on TP are just supposed to blindly fall in line? Bullshit.
I’ve posted a quote from Repub Sen. Pat Roberts saying he was concerned Congress didn’t have the same intelligence the WH saw, and I’ve also posted a quote from a former CIA guy who says the intelligence was being fixed. Response?
February 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amBush looks like a deer caught in the headlights of a truck about to run him over…….except he’s not quite as intelligent. God, I wish this administration was history…….it is so inept, criminal and embarressing.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:20 amWOW. YOU’RE SO RIGHT. Nevermind then. Iran is not involved in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza. Just because you want to point out something from the past.
I never seen a group of people who let their political hatreds cloud their mind to such an extent.
Everything has to cast in terms of something wrong that the USA did and everything else ignored. Wow.. such great thinking… such insight.
I’m sure to go to you for your opinion on things happening today or tomorrow. Oh , you’re still in teh 1980s.. what makes you think you’re qualified to say anything?
February 4th, 2007 at 10:22 amAnd, VINCE, as was mentioned previously, Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. nor its neighbors, and had been contained. Colin Powell and Condi Rice both said so in 2001.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:23 amI never seen a group of people who let their political hatreds cloud their mind to such an extent.
Comment by Vince P — February 4, 2007 @ 10:22 am
So why did you keep hanging around here?
February 4th, 2007 at 10:27 amWOW. YOU’RE SO RIGHT. Nevermind then. Iran is not involved in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza. Just because you want to point out something from the past.
Hey, you’re the one that brought up the 80’s (and 1979) and the actions of Iran, not me. I just think it’s comical that you are taking us to task for supposedly not caring about what Iran is doing, yet after the past events that YOU brought up, the Reagan administration didn’t give a damn about those.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am#18 – Provided quotes from the Iranians themselves about their intentions
#71 – Extensive list of Democrats saying the same things Bush did for at least 6 years before the war. Suggesting soem people here are very selective when they dish out blame
#113 – Today’s story from the UK about a Muslim jihad cells being activated. Underscoring the global and unrelenting threat by those folks
Not sure what else I could provide.
How about a sense of perspective or common sense?
You provided a supposed quote (obviously translated, possibly with the same intentional ineptitude that the “wiped from the map” comment was) from some Iranian government official and you try to pass it off as official Iranian policy. So if we quote some bellicose rhetoric from some PNAC puppet who happens to work for the US government we can take that as proof of the Us’s warlike intentions? is that what you are saying? for instance, wolfowitz implying that turkey’s military should have acted against the will of its democratically elected government is a sign of USa support for destabilizing mideast democracy, right?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/turk-j02.shtml
“It was this vote, reflecting in a distorted fashion Turkey’s overwhelming popular rejection of the Iraq war, that inspired Wolfowitz’s criticism of the Turkish military. The Pentagon’s number two man said of Turkey’s generals: “For some reason they did not take the powerful leadership role on this issue which we expected of them.â€
It is necessary to read between the lines in order to understand the message from Bila, who is merely repeating the views of the generals and the US: When Washington decides on its next invasion—whether it be Iran or Syria—it can rely on the mercenary support of the Turkish army, irrespective of any democratic considerations or displays of opposition on the part of the Turkish people
So according to you, its officiall Us policy to destabilize democractic governments. If a government official makes any public statements, that makes it official government policy.
Lets move on to your next idiot concern. The roving gang of rabid beheading muslims. Gee.. sounds like a plot that could definitely get 3…4..maybe 5 people before getting cought…. wow…have any idea how many murders there are in britain each year? about 1000.
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page40.asp
oh no.. a plot that could possibly kill a couple of people. more people die in traffic accidents. more people are killed by THE FLU. these people and their beheading fantasies couldn’t do any more dammage to society than a botched robbery would. tell me, why is when brown people plot religiously based hate crimes it suddently becomes much more dangerous than say, the thousands of other murders that occur for other reasons?
please explain to me why a possible .5 percent increase in the british murder rate is worth sacrificing our civil liberties? 600 people die in america each year from slipping in thier bathtub. should be declare a war on slipping in the tub?
and as far as democrats saying they thought saddam had WMD.. yes… they said it.. they may have even given lip service to doing something about it. but theres a big difference between being wrong but not acting on it, and being wrong and acting on it. if i incorrectly beleive someone has a gun and yell “hes got a gun”, nothing is going to happen to me…. if, on the other hand, i do what your idiot president did, and open fire, then if it turns out he didnt have a gun, im going to jail. so yes, other people beleived something incorrect. bush was the idiot who took that wrongheadedness a step further and acted on it. whats new.
vince, another neocon moron whose as fair and balanced as fox news…
February 4th, 2007 at 10:32 amTo enlighten those who are open to it. None of you discuss anything except how bad Bush is and the 20 cliches you invented so you can say the same contentless thing to each other over and over and over. Someone has to break the mold.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:35 amVince
But surely you’ve seen by now that no here in leftieville are “open” to your so-called enlightenment. Here’s a novel concept. Why don’t you try telling the truth? It’s obviously not easy for you, but do you think you can do it? Let’s see.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:39 am190: You are very correct. I blog with some folks in Iran. They’re stuck as much as anyone.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amIt is Bush that is sapping our sole. It is no suprise that the anti-christ mentions our sole.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:49 amTo enlighten those who are open to it. None of you discuss anything except how bad Bush is and the 20 cliches you invented so you can say the same contentless thing to each other over and over and over. Someone has to break the mold.
Comment by Vince P — February 4, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Bush has been in office for over 6 years. The Repubs had the majority in Congress for almost as long. Besides tax cuts, the “good” of which is debatable, why don’t you list the top 25 actions that Bush has taken that have benefitted this country, especially the poor and the middle class.
Oh, and you still haven’t listed the Repubs who said they saw the same intelligence as the White House. And you still haven’t responded to a CIA’s evidence that the intelligence was fixed.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amVince
You’re still avoiding the point. If, as you have just acknowledged, I am very correct, then your previous statement of trying to bring enlightenment is bogus. Again I ask you, why not try telling the truth? Why are you really here?
February 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amI never said they were. That said, the religion is an extreme one and very violent. It’s to the people’s credit that they disregard the parts that call for warfare.
I dont know if you were involved in a thread where I had said the moderates have no theological basis to counter the Jihadis with. That the moderates are moderate not because of islam but in spite of it.
Well in today’s NYT there’s an intereview with the inspirational Ayaan Hirsi ali who grew up in Somali as a devout Muslim and later came to leave the faith and becoming a MP in Netherlands and had her friend Van Gough murdered.
NYT asks, she answers
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/weekinreview/04goodstein.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Q. Have you seen any ideology coming from within Islam that gives young Muslims a sense of purpose without the overlay of militancy?
A. They have no alternative message. There is no active missionary work among the youth telling them, do not become jihadis. They do not use media means as much as the jihadis. They simply — they’re reactive and they don’t seem to be able to compete with the jihadis. And every time there is a debate between a real jihadi and, say, what we have decided to call moderate Muslims, the jihadis win. Because they come with the Koran and quotes from the Koran. The come with quotes from the Hadith and the Sunnah, and the traditions of the prophet. And every assertion they make, whether it is that women should be veiled, or Jews should be killed, or Americans are our enemies, or any of that, they win. Because what they have to say is so consistent with what is written in the Koran and the Hadith. And what the moderates fail to do is to say, listen, that’s all in there, but that wasn’t meant for this context. And we have moved on. We can change the Koran, we can change the Hadith. That’s what’s missing.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:05 amVince,
I don’t know whether to laugh at your claims to be making an argument, or to just skip your posts from here on out…
But I will tell you that there are conservatives here who have rational discussions. So far, you’ve stated your opinions and then, when questioned on them, wage ad hominem attacks to cover up the fact that you really don’t have a deep understanding of the things you ‘believe’.
It seems that, as unoriginal as you are, that like your brethern you are simply incapable of understanding critical thinking skills of people who are smarter than you. And so when you’re claims have been debunked, rather than go educate yourself, you start insulting the regular posters here, who happen to be the largest group of thinking people you’ve probably ever met.
So, do yourself a favor, and the rest of us… Either debate the issues on their merits instead of insulting us, or go somewhere else that can cater to your ignorance.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:08 amAnd of course Vince P disappears and will surface later acting a like a troll.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 4, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Just like yesterday when he made some paranoid comments about Muslims and then resorted to “I don’t care what you believe because you aren’t rational” just before disappearing…
Typical uneducated troll shrill. Seen one, you’ve seen them all…
February 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmA stupid man’s report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
– Bertrand Russell, The History of Western Philosophy, quoted from Lee Eisler, ed., The Quotable Bertrand Russell
February 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmSorry for the big Off Topic but this is for WaltTheMan:
What are you after anyway? Gutenberg is one of the most foremost of German inventors. I remember when Pops hauled me to von Neumann’s house and I saw those carved letters and sizing trays.
Comment by WaltTheMan
He is a romantic character (died in poverty, etc) and somehow I can regard him as an engineer. I am writing an essay about engineers and their society. Gutenberg is one of the most forgotten engineers in history in comparison with Neil Armstrong, Prandtl, Da Vinci or even Alfred Hitchcock. Thats why I asked.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:26 pmIm considering also Watt, Carnot and even Sergei Korolev. Furthermore, I am writing about how Sputnik changed the engineering education in the US. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
While I understand the need for being civil, it is absolutely mind boggling to read a room full of Democrats, the people we have sent to fix his mess, clapping for him. The man who called them and members of the party traitors again and again and again. They are doing it to members of their own party now. The LEADERSHIP need to stop playing nice-nice. He steamrolled his own party when necessary and LIED, don’t mince words, he LIED, over and over and over again to get us into the mess in Iraq. He lied about energy policy, No Child left behind and medicare. Over and over and over again. He is petty enough to pull the “democrat” BS. Please, next time keep your hands in your lap. He doesn’t respect you or your position.
Tim (D.)
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February 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat CHIMPya meant to say was “I am a soulless SAP!”
February 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmBarfly,
When can I tongue your browneye?
Ooops! wrong blog.
TP PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GO THRU
too la
February 4th, 2007 at 7:09 pmOh NO! Santo is back! Hey Santo, the phone is ringing…
February 4th, 2007 at 9:28 pmFor any newcomers out there – it’s pretty obvious that the TP minders are in their retreat, as the thread is thick with trolls – try again later and you will see a more elevated discourse.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:29 pmHey Santo, the phone is ringing…
Comment by SKdeA —
[Ground rumbling, trees shaking -- The earth opens up . . .]
MY GOD MAN, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? YOU HAVE CALLED FORTH THE TROLL WHO IS NOT TO BE NAMED! RUN, IF YOU VALUE YOUR VERY SOUL!
Yeah, Santo’s meds are thinning out, and the crazy is starting to shine through.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pmfrom 197, “…That said, the religion is an extreme one and very violent…”
Here’s something you should think about when generalizing about the “violent” nature of over a billion people:
Take 13,000 (unshaved) 20-year-old adults and line them up. Among these 13,000 people standing before you, there are 1,300,000,000 individual strands of hair. The number of individual hairs on these 13,000 scalps is the same as the number of Muslims there are in the world today.
If you count all- and I mean EVERY SINGLE one of the Muslims who have carried out terrorist actions in the last 30 years, how many hairs from those 13,000 scalps do you think they represent? How about the grossly inflated figure of 5 million (50 scalps)? That exaggerated number is .38% of the total. I guarantee that whatever the actual number of Islamic terrorists is, it ain’t enough to make an accurate judgement on the peacefulness of the over 1 billion adherents of Islam. Not by a long shot.
1 billion, three hundred million Muslims. Any idea of what proportion of those thirteen times a thousand times a thousand times people have never killed anybody? (hint- most of them)
If you want to stir up suspicion or find something to be scared of and to make yourself angry about, fine. Just remember your stereotype doesn’t apply to the vast majority of people you’re trying to be alarmed by.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:08 pmDang, I think I made a mistake in my calculations. It should be
Number of Muslims:
a hundred times a thousand times a thousand times 13.
Number of Muslims for whom killing you is not a priority:
approx. a hundred times a thousand times a thousand times 13.
Now, if you want to go to the chatrooms on AOL and, from that sampling, make and make a generalization of how many Americans would like to kill Muslims (a position we call “extreme” or even “violent”), go right ahead. There are a bunch of people on there who are as extreme as the Islamic beheaders which the panic-seeders are trying to get us worked up about.
Come up with a generalization of the “American mentality” from those crazies at AOL, if you want, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of Americans are as nuts as they are.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThe least you should do before preaching to someone about “stereotyping” is at least to know what the word means.
You’ll note I didn’t say “all Muslims are extreme and violent”, I said the religion is. The religion defined on its own terms as that which is expressed in the foundational texts the Koran and Hadith and the Surrah and as modelled by Mohemmed , who Islam says is the perfect man and the way he lived his life should be emulated by all Muslims.
The religion’s intergration of a worldly political system makes it very dangerous and violent. That’s the facts.
I’m not interested in your politically correct emotional reactions to hard truths.
February 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWell, what conclusion are we supposed to make about the people who subscribe to a religion which “is extreme and violent” when we hear the assertion that “the Muslim religion is extreme and violent”? That the people whose religion is extreme and violent are generally sweethearts? I know you differentiate between the Muslim wackos and Muslim non-wackos, but it’s not an assumption easily made from that there statement.
“The religion’s intergration of a worldly political system makes it very dangerous and violent. That’s the facts. ”
Haven’t given me a fact or a truth, hard or otherwise. There isn’t a fact there, just an extremely broad generalization with the phrase “that’s the facts” afterwards. Just saying “the religion’s integration of a worldly political system makes it very dangerous and violent” is a fact? Probably you could come up with some darn good examples, but you don’t, and you certainly don’t say why that integration of ideology and political system is more of a threat than other ideologies which are tied to political systems elsewhere.
Go right ahead and show your lack of interest in my politically correct emotional reactions by responding. Call my reaction what you want, but I’m not interested in an increase of the number of people out there who are scared to the point of forgetting they’re enlightened.
February 5th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWell, what conclusion are we supposed to make about the people who subscribe to a religion which “is extreme and violent†when we hear the assertion that “the Muslim religion is extreme and violent� That the people whose religion is extreme and violent are generally sweethearts? I know you differentiate between the Muslim wackos and Muslim non-wackos, but it’s not an assumption easily made from that there statement.
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You were the one who made the leap from “Islam’s dogma is violent” to “All Muslims are violent”. I can’t help your faulty analysis. And since you made the case that not all Muslims are violent, and I never said they were, and the fact is that they aren’t, what are you arguing with me about? Just for the sake of being in opposition?
If your interested in the things that have shaped my opinion , you can view my YouTube playlist , check out Dispatches show
http://www.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=VinceP1974
And also, see the first 10 minutes of a documentary called Obssession
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA
February 5th, 2007 at 3:39 pmVince was lurking here today but still didn’t respond to my post on February 3, 2007 @ 9:28 pm. No surprise.
February 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pm…or February 4, 2007 @ 10:19 am.
Or February 4, 2007 @ 10:23 am.
Or February 4, 2007 @ 10:50 am.
February 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pm….and to think people like Vince would call those raising the alarm over global warming “chicken little”……show a little backbone vince – you’re afraid of propaganda boogey men – don’t expect me to join you – I’m not afraid, I am free and American, and if someone thinks they’re going to come to my town and chop my head off they’re welcome to give it a shot.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAs soon as it can be explained how humans are causing the Global Warming that is occuring on Mars right now I might be open to human-caused theories on Earth Global Warming.
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