Goode to attend Muslim service.
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Goode to attend Muslim service.
“Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) has told an interfaith group that he’d accept an invitation to attend a Muslim gathering. The Virginia Republican caused a national stir in December when he wrote in a letter to constituents that immigration rules should be tightened before ‘many more Muslims’ are elected to office.” An account of the interfaith group’s meeting with Goode is here.
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The article about Goode meeting with the interfaith group is quite hopeful, but I’m not sure it’s realistic. Here’s what Goode said at one point:
Congressman Goode then remarked that America is a nation where religious freedom abounds, “but if this nation had a majority of Muslims,” he said, “I’m not sure it would be the case.” Then gesturing to Dr. Syeed, he added, “Of course, if they were all more like you, I don’t think there’d be a problem.”
Oy. Maybe he’ll keep his mouth shut at the actual service….
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:30 amI agree with the Congressman.. more of them less of these:
The 2004 work, “Management of Barbarism,†by Abu Bakr Naji, a rising star in the jihadi movement, is instructive for anyone who doubts their commitment and ruthlessness.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:32 am“O people! The viciousness of the Russian soldier is twice that of the American soldier. If the Americans suffer one-tenth of the casualties the Russians suffered in Afghanistan and Chechnya, they will flee and never look back,†Naji rallied fellow jihadists in his Internet-posted screed. “They have reached a stage of effeminacy that makes them unable to sustain battles for a long period of time, a weakness they compensate for with a deceptive media halo.â€
Goode for him. (redneck)
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:35 amHave to agree with Virgil on this one. Been to Europe lately? Muslims have stated in all the press in Europe that they will dominate and rule just by the sheer force of their numbers. Google it and read all the relevant books. It is truely scary As Irshad Manji and Brigitte Gabriel say in their books”it is time to stop being politically correct and realize that the Muslim agenda is one of dominance to their religion”. Read Orianna Fallaci. It will leave you stunned as to what is happening before our eyes and everybody afraid to speak up.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 amOff topic BUT…
The Democrats have a REAL candidate for President…
…his name is Mike Gravel…
…but you’ll never see or hear of him in the MSM…
…watch C-Span’s coverage of the DNC’s convention if you want to see a presidential candidate tell the UNVARNISHED TRUTH about American politics…
go to:
nationalinitiative.us
Then DEMAND that the DNC give Mike Gravel the national exposure he DESERVES!
Power to the people is what Mike Gravel is all about…
…if you are about taking back our gov’t check out Gravel’s speech on C-Span (if they re-air the DNC convention)…
…and visit his website…
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 amIt would be nice if Goode attends the service with an open mind.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 amThe 2004 work, “Management of Barbarism,†by Abu Bakr Naji, a rising star in the jihadi movement, is instructive for anyone who doubts their commitment and ruthlessness.
“O people! The viciousness of the Russian soldier is twice that of the American soldier. If the Americans suffer one-tenth of the casualties the Russians suffered in Afghanistan and Chechnya, they will flee and never look back,†Naji rallied fellow jihadists in his Internet-posted screed. “They have reached a stage of effeminacy that makes them unable to sustain battles for a long period of time, a weakness they compensate for with a deceptive media halo.â€
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 10:32 am
I don’t take what these people say seriously because every little thing we do will be claimed as a victory to them. We can’t let their rhetoric get in the way of our democracy. Anyway, wasn’t Zawahiri screaming the other day that we should send our entire army to Iraq?
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 amHave to agree with Virgil on this one. Been to Europe lately? Muslims have stated in all the press in Europe that they will dominate and rule just by the sheer force of their numbers.
Comment by Sid — February 3, 2007 @ 10:40 am
How many Muslims stated this?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 amTolerance is a sign of a matured democracy and society, also diversity bring fresh thoughts into a culture.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 amNat, the author is one of the key strategists of the Jihad movement. So you may discount him, but those people looking for inspiration to join the Jihad will find him persuasive.
Here is a NPR link that discussed the work:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5545157
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 amNat, the author is one of the key strategists of the Jihad movement. So you may discount him, but those people looking for inspiration to join the Jihad will find him persuasive.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:08 am
They really don’t need him. Bush’s foreign policy is more effective at creating Jihadists.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 amIN OTHER NEWS:
According to a story published on the internet at 1:45 am Saturday, the United States has filed formal charges against an Austrailian, a Yemeni, and a Canadian held at Guantanamo.
The Australian is charged with providing material support and attempted murder in violation of the laws of war. However, providing material support was not a violation of the law of war before the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
The Australian was arrested in Afghanistan in late 2001 and has been held without charges for over 5 years.
The Yemeni has been charged with conspiricay and providing material support. Both of those charges would have been heard in a civilian court of law prior to the passage of the MCA.
The Canadian was 15 years old when he was captured after a firefight at a suspected al Qaeda compound in Afghanistan. He is accused of murdering one U.S. Soldier and wounding another in the firefight.
The filing of these charges indicates the United States is exerting universal jurisdiction in its application of the MCA. Individuals that are accused of committing acts which would have been subjected to the civilian court system at the time are now facing military tribunals. Evidence which would have been barred in a civilian court may now be used to sentence an individual to die. Such evidence is not appealable.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:21 amNat: According to your logic then, Clinton was the effective at creating the 9/11 plot.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:23 amYes, Islam does say that Muslims should kill non-believers.
But so do the Bibles:
“They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.” (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Yet, how many of the world’s 33% population of Christians actually go around killing people?
So, then why would the world’s 23% population of Muslims do any differently than their monotheistic cousins?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:27 amNat: According to your logic then, Clinton was the effective at creating the 9/11 plot.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:23 am
No, that was all Bush, baby.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:28 amThe Bibles also condone killing believers of other religions:
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.
Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.
Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.”
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT
If the average Christian isn’t acting on this biblical command, then why would the Average Muslim? The relogions are not that different – having both sprung out of the Judeo Middle Eastern well of monotheism…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:29 amIf your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.
Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.
Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB
According to this, we should fear the Christians too…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:23 am
You could make a plausible argument. After all, the Project for the New American Century issued its Statement of Principles on Clinton’s watch.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 am2 Chronicles?
No Christian regards any of Israel’s biblical history as commands to follow.
Here is the full passage. It’s clear that it is a narrative, not a religious command or teaching
15:9 He assembled all Judah and Benjamin, as well as the settlers from Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon who had come to live with them. Many people from Israel had come there to live when they saw that the Lord his God was with him. They assembled in Jerusalem in the third month of the fifteenth year of Asa’s reign. At that time they sacrificed to the Lord some of the plunder they had brought back, including 700 head of cattle and 7,000 sheep. They solemnly agreed to seek the Lord God of their ancestors with their whole heart and being. Anyone who would not seek the Lord God of Israel would be executed, whether they were young or old, male or female. They swore their allegiance to the Lord, shouting their approval loudly and sounding trumpets and horns. All Judah was happy about the oath, because they made the vow with their whole heart. They willingly sought the Lord and he responded to them. He made them secure on every side
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 amunbelievable: Christians are not bound to follow the OT Ritual Law that was given only to the jews.
Acts 15:5 But some from the religious party of the Pharisees who had believed stood up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise the Gentiles and to order them to observe the law of Moses.â€
: Both the apostles and the elders met together to deliberate about this matter. : After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that some time ago God chose me to preach to the Gentiles so they would hear the message of the gospel and believe. : And God, who knows the heart, has testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, : and he made no distinction between them and us, cleansing their hearts by faith. : So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? : On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they are.â€
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 amNo Christian regards any of Israel’s biblical history as commands to follow.
If it’s not a part of being a Christian, then it wouldn’t be in the Bibles.
If you can pick and choose from your own ‘holy’ book, then why can’t Muslims?
My point is that you cannot use the Koran to assume a lot of ‘what ifs’ about the average Muslim, if you aren’t willing to apply the same standards to yourself. It’s why you are not credible and are hypocritical.
Here is the full passage. It’s clear that it is a narrative, not a religious command or teaching
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Post the biblical verse that tells you how to choose which tenets to follow, which to reject, and how to read one as narrative versus another as a command.
Chronicles clearly uses commands from your god. It says nothing about the chapters and verses being “narrative”. I call bullshit on your explanation.
And, you still haven’t answered my initial question…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 amYou could make a plausible argument. After all, the Project for the New American Century issued its Statement of Principles on Clinton’s watch.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 3, 2007 @ 11:30 am
For some reason their plan for world domination does not get as much attention or scorn as an obscure cleric in the Middle East.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 amunbelievable: think what you like, doesn’t matter to me.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 amunbelievable: Christians are not bound to follow the OT Ritual Law that was given only to the jews.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Did your god tell you that? Or you just make it up to suite your purpose?
Then why is it in the Bibles? The Bibles that Christians use as an authority to do anything bad to other people?
If OT stuff is purely narrative, then “Intelligent” Design has no leg to stand upon… and yet there are many Christians screaming that the Earth is 6,000 years old, Adam and Eve were created and a lot of other refuted pseudo-science.
So, you’re saying that Genesis is also “narrative” and that you instead accept Evolution? Can’t have it both ways.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 amunbelievable: think what you like, doesn’t matter to me.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:41 am
In other words, you have no answers, cannot defend your point of view and don’t know what you are talking about?
Good – now that we’ve established that, let’s say that you stop posting your nonsense that Islam is any more dangerous than Christianity…
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:46 amThe reason is more along the lines of not wasting my time with irrational people. But think what you like, like I said.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 amVirgil’s original concrete headed comments are a bell that all the salvation in the world can’t un-ring. Propaganda starts with the abbreviation for Public Relations. Salve on an amputation does very little to re-grow the limb. I think the GOp got to him and told him to chill. After all can’t he as part of the faithful, say what he believes and expect to be forgiven?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 amReligion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Just say no to drugs.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 pmThe reason is more along the lines of not wasting my time with irrational people. But think what you like, like I said.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Sounds the the agony of defeat.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmKarl Marx lol.. North Korea must be proud.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmDryveby: Oh good, I always wanted to fit in with this group.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pmYes, Islam does say that Muslims should kill non-believers. But so do the Bibles:
“They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.†(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Yet, how many of the world’s 33% population of Christians actually go around killing people? So, then why would the world’s 23% population of Muslims do any differently than their monotheistic cousins? — Unbelievable
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*Ahem*…I think you’ll find that Chronicles is actually a book from the Old Testament rather than the New Testament, so a slightly more accurate question would have been “how many of the world’s population of Jews and Christians actually go around killing people?” And the answer, of course, is “quite a few”. Consider Northern Ireland, for pity’s sake, where Christians — Christians, whose religion includes the specific directive to “love one’s enemies” — deliberately killing other Christians over differences in dogma.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmDryveby: Oh good, I always wanted to fit in with this group.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
You certainly must, as you seem to be here all the time. Why is that? No one in realspace to give a damn about you?
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmDryveby: Oh good, I always wanted to fit in with this group.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
We’re not the Bush administration.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 pm#1 zooey
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 pmOMG! Even when people like Goode make a lame attempt at exhibiting tolerance of all people, they can’t help their racism and bigotry from coming out. Pernicious bigotry, It’s so much a part of who they are, they are totally unaware. But I can’t feel sorry for them in their ignorance — they have to be held accountable.
The reason is more along the lines of not wasting my time with irrational people.
Kind of hard to avoid yourself isn’t it?
But think what you like, like I said.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 11:54 am
I don’t have to ‘think’ anything. It’s very clearly demonstrated in your inability to refute my point or answer my reasonable and rational questions.
Or you could just stop posting nonsense so that no one has to call you out on it. Your call Sparky…
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm>#5 big papastrong>
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:34 pmGlad to see your post. I happened upon his speech this morning at the DNC on C-Span– and all I can say is he must be reading my mind. His criticism of America today, and his dream of what America can be was absolutely inspirational.
No Christian regards any of Israel’s biblical history as commands to follow. — Vince P.
Christians are not bound to follow the OT Ritual Law that was given only to the jews. — Vince P.
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Then why do so many conservative Christians cherry-pick quotations from the Old Testament when it suits them to do so, such as when attacking homosexuality? If Christians do not consider themselves bound by the dictates of the Old Testament — and this is for the most part true — then by quoting passages from the Old Testament in order to accuse people of supposed sin, they sabotage their own arguments if they do not consider themselves required to follow the dictates of the Old Testament.
So there.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmThe folks in Northern Ireland were not killing each because of the Reformation, the conflict was of a nationalist, ethnic , geopolitical basis, the Christian sects coincided with these divisions and was just one of many things that were looked to to claim as part of the common culture to describe each party.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmConsider Northern Ireland, for pity’s sake, where Christians — Christians, whose religion includes the specific directive to “love one’s enemies†— deliberately killing other Christians over differences in dogma.
Comment by Bluestocking — February 3, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Fine with me if all religion went away…
My goal was just to show Vince how his religious book is not really any different than the Islamic religious dogma he berrated – therefore making him a paranoid hypocrite.
Your additional information demonstrates how he is actually an accomplice to murder. Even better! : )
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe folks in Northern Ireland were not killing each because of the Reformation, the conflict was of a nationalist, ethnic , geopolitical basis,
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
So? Christians were still killing Christians… Or do you have loopholes for ignoring the “no killing” commandment? I’d point you to one in the Old Testament, but seeing as how you dismiss that entire section, I’ll let you point it out in the NT…
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 pmblue: Christians believe in the moral law , the one that everyone is bound. The moral law is not the Law of Moses that is found after the Exodus. It’s not codified (it’s alluded to) in the Bible or in one specific handy place that could be referred to. Its the laws that were broken that God sent the flood as punishment for. It’s the basic don’t steal, lie, murder, slut, etc..
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 pmWell, as Vince seems reluctant to talk about his lack of recognition in realspace (quelle surprise), I think I’ll take the kids to the park. I’ll try to stop in later or tomorrow. No doubt Vince will be here when I do. Hey Vince, do me a favour: say hi to michael for me.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pmIt’s the basic don’t steal, lie, murder, slut, etc..
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Then why bother with the Bibles (you do know that there are various versions, right?)?
“Slut”? You neocons and your repressed homosexuality are driving us all nuts… If you can’t enjoy sex, then no one should? Sheesh Vince… You should be in a medical blog with doctors who can help you with your neuroses… Not here.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pmThe folks in Northern Ireland were not killing each because of the Reformation, the conflict was of a nationalist, ethnic , geopolitical basis, the Christian sects coincided with these divisions and was just one of many things that were looked to to claim as part of the common culture to describe each party. — Vince P.
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That’s not the point and you know it, so stop blowing smoke. The fact remains that the New Testament specifically and explicitly dictates that a Christian should not engage in acts of violence against a perceived enemy — yet in Northern Ireland, two groups of supposedly devout Christians had no compunctions about deliberately killing each other. It’s in their Holy Book, yet they weren’t obeying it. For that matter, many practitioners of Reform and even Conservative Judaism no longer adhere to kosher — yet that is in their Holy Book. Since this is the case, it seems logical to assume that this might also be true of many Muslims.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:50 pmI’m not repressed gay. i’m out gay.
I was speaking from the POV of what Christians believe. I didnt’ say I advocated for it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:50 pmBlue: you’re right.. Most Muslims do not follow the teachings in the Koran. That’s why we say “most Muslims aren’t terrorists”
It’s the ones who do follow the Koran that are doing the killing of others.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 pmBlue: you’re right.. Most Muslims do not follow the teachings in the Koran. That’s why we say “most Muslims aren’t terroristsâ€
It’s the ones who do follow the Koran that are doing the killing of others.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
You post such tripe and wonder why Muslims hate us.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 pmI was speaking from the POV of what Christians believe. I didnt’ say I advocated for it.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Yes you did. And you insinuated that it is more moral than Islam by defending it. It’s not.
I never understand how someone gay (or female, or black, or hispanic, or non-religious, or anyone else they persocute) can be conservative…
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmIt’s the ones who do follow the Koran that are doing the killing of others.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Vince, seriously, STFU.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmNat: you can’t speak that way about all 1 Billion Muslims as if they all think the same thing.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 pmGoode, better wear a burka and speak softly.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 pmI think that Goode’s having Fox News blaring so loud when he met the interfaith group points to his passive-agressive nature. Coupled with his patronistic “Of course, if they were all more like you, I don’t think there’d be a problem.†— points to a southern child of privilege, whose religious and racial bigotry form a seamless cocoon, thin enough to see and hear through, but too strong for him to breach. That he receives more letters of support than of outrage shows he’s just giving his xenophobic constituents what they want. He’s like societal AIDS sores: just the outward manifestation of a cultural disease. The state of Virginia, once-proud home of the founding fathers, is now infested with back-country bigots, whose understanding of religious principle comes to them from the likes of Rev. Falwell, and that towering terror of the weight-room, Pat Robertson.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmChristians believe in the moral law , the one that everyone is bound. The moral law is not the Law of Moses that is found after the Exodus. It’s not codified (it’s alluded to) in the Bible or in one specific handy place that could be referred to. — Vince P.
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With all due respect, I think a lot of Christians would disagree with you. The dictates of the New Testament may not necessarily have been quite as codified as they were in the Old Testament, such as in the Ten Commandments, but they’re not quite as vague as your post seems to suggest. They may not all be in one specific place — but then again, that wasn’t entirely true of the Old Testament either. The Ten Commandments are, of course, first found in Exodus while many of the other laws are found in Leviticus and Deuteronomy (and all three are part of the Torah).
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmNat: you can’t speak that way about all 1 Billion Muslims as if they all think the same thing.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Why not? Look at the tripe you’re posting. I hate us because of people like you.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmBlue: Yours a fair statement / point to make. Historically , there have been and are many disagreements about the applicablilty of the OT law (going back to the events in the NT book Acts itself that I quoted).
I think i gave the view that most Protestant/Evangical Christians would say they believe in.
I was raised Roman Catholic.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:15 pmThere’s one thing I like the Vinces of the Internet to explain: once the Jihadis defeat us, aren’t they then going to have to attack the Chinese? How many Chinese are muslim? And the Hindus aren’t particularly known for their forebearance of violence (irrespective of Gandhi), so how does this world Jihad thing work?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmNat: I work in the Sears Tower, I hope you’re not going to blow up the building.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pm“Muslims have stated in all the press in Europe that they will dominate and rule just by the sheer force of their numbers.”
Well…if Christians didn’t spend 200 years killing each other for control of the Western Hemisphere they would have the numbers to match them. US Revolutionary War, US Civil War, WW1, WW2, and all the fun stuff in between.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmBarfly: I haven’t seen much of anything written by the Jihadis that speak about China. That’sa good question.
What motivates them to attack us isn’t just the fact we’re Kuffars. It’s that we’re the primary military and cultural power in the world that is in the way of their plans.
At this point China isn’t doing much to hinder their plans, so in their view they have to make a decision and usually the options are to attack their own lands in the attempt to reform them to thier view of Islam or attack the enemy of the most influence.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:19 pmNat: I work in the Sears Tower, I hope you’re not going to blow up the building.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Why would any liberal do that? We’re not Christian fundamentalists.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pmNat: I work in the Sears Tower, I hope you’re not going to blow up the building.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Game over for Vince when he resorts to this third grade mentality…
Shoo Vince. Try http://www.myspace.com
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pmI work in the Sears Tower, I hope you’re not going to blow up the building.
Comment by Vince P
Sounds like Vince is looking for a way to duck out on his wife and kids. Why else would he mention where he works, and then obliquely refer to blowing it up?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:24 pmWhat motivates them to attack us isn’t just the fact we’re Kuffars. It’s that we’re the primary military and cultural power in the world that is in the way of their plans.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
I disagree. They just want us to stop meddling in the Muslim world.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmVince P. Your so concerned about the Muslims, yet the Bush Administration takes out a moderate regime that was heavily suppressing (and oppressing) radical muslims (in most eyes) and you cheer. He hands over Iraq to the radicals and you cheer. We now have a country that was a sworn enemy to Iran now aligned with Iran. You say Saddam was bad? He was killing and controlling Shia muslims. That’s what you want to do. Was he not killing them fast enough for you? Was that the problem?
You Christians make no sense to me.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmso in their view they have to make a decision and usually the options are to attack their own lands in the attempt to reform them to thier view of Islam or attack the enemy of the most influence.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Vince who isn’t a Protestant or a Christian speaks for them, as well as the Chinese.
Who don’t you speak for Vince?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmBarly: Like i said, i’m gay. so no wife and kids.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:27 pmYou Christians make no sense to me.
Comment by Jay Severin has a small pen1s — February 3, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Well said!
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:28 pmAt this point China isn’t doing much to hinder their plans, so in their view they have to make a decision and usually the options are to attack their own lands in the attempt to reform them to thier view of Islam or attack the enemy of the most influence.
Comment by Vince P
So you, and the “big thinkers” you’ve been reading haven’t discussed, or pondered what the Chinese would do if the Jihadis attacked China? How many foot soldiers could the Chinese muster if attacked? How barbarous do you think they would be to the Jihadis? Stories are still told in Muslim countries of the times of the Mongols.
And, there is literally no chance that they would be successful against the technologically superior Hindus of India, who are every bit as commited to their religious beliefs as the Muslims, and at last count, equal them in numbers.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmMost Muslims do not follow the teachings in the Koran. That’s why we say “most Muslims aren’t terroristsâ€. It’s the ones who do follow the Koran that are doing the killing of others. — vince P.
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Good grief, Vince — do you even read your own posts? Let me quote from one of your earlier submissions, the one which seems to have touched off this whole debate…
“Muslims have stated in all the press in Europe that they will dominate and rule just by the sheer force of their numbers…It is truely scary As Irshad Manji and Brigitte Gabriel say in their books “it is time to stop being politically correct and realize that the Muslim agenda is one of dominance to their religion.”
Now, perhaps you simply need to put more effort into choosing your words carefully…but the way in which that particular statement is phrased mentioned nothing about Muslims who — according to you — do not follow the Koran (we’ll get to that rather hasty assumption of yours a bit later). What most people would infer from your statement as it was phrased is that the majority of Muslims in Europe — or possibly every single last one — wants to turn the European Union into an Islamic state. That’s certainly how I interpreted it, and it’s clear that I’m not the only one who did.
Now let’s address the issue of Muslims who (according to you) don’t follow the Koran. Vince, there’s no such thing as a Muslim who doesn’t follow or believe in the Koran any more than there’s any such thing as a Jewish person who doesn’t follow the Torah or a Christian who doesn’t follow the Bible. I think what you’re trying to get at is the issue of fundamentalism — that is, people who are so extremely dogmatic in their thinking that they adhere to the letter of the law and neglect the spirit of the law. There are fundamentalists in all three of what might be called the Abrahamic religions — Christians as well as Muslims. If you doubt me, go to Google and look up information on the Dominionists and/or a man by the name of Rousas John Rushdoony. The problem with fundamentalism is that it is nearly always fear-based, and it has an ironic way of often encouraging its followers to disobey the dictates of their own religion in their efforts to convert other people to it! Yes, the Koran may contain a passage about killing non-believers — but if I’m not mistaken, it also contains a passage about not taking ambassadors prisoner (something which was brought up during the Iranian hostage crisis). The fact is that anything which is based on fear, such as religious fundamentalism, is inherently volatile — and that’s the reason why fundamentalists can easily become scary if not downright dangerous people no matter what religion they belong to.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmLike i said, i’m gay. so no wife and kids.
Comment by Vince P
You could be closeted, and looking for a way out of the fake lifestyle you’ve adopted. Ted Haggard syndrome.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmI hate us because of people like you.
Comment by Nat — February 3, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Nat: I work in the Sears Tower, I hope you’re not going to blow up the building.
Comment by Vince P — February 3, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
It is this kind of BS from Vince that exemplifies so much of what is wrong with America today. The “Uniter” has divided America in ways perhaps unprecedented in modern US history. Never mind who we “hate” outside of our own country… look at who the haters are within our own country. Americans are so hateful towards each other, under this president, it is difficult justify the arrogance in us preaching peace and democracy to the rest of the world. The snide comments, such as yours above, Vince, do little except divide Americans even more politcally and religiously.
I cannot fathom what makes people like you utter such contemptuous comments.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmI don`t really like to roll around in my own excrement with a bag over my head and masturbate.
Just another viscous TP rumor. I pack fruit in boxes all night for a living. I know nothing about jets or aircraft except what I read on the internet. I am basically a drunken fraud.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmAs an atheist, I’m going to sit back and let the religiousos duke it out and then swoop in like the kurds and take the whole damn planet.
Then I’m going to enslave gay people like Vince and make them do circus tricks.
Vince will like it because he does the same tricks for the Christians now. His life won’t change.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmOooops…now I’m the one who has to admit to a blunder. The post I attributed to Vince was not from him, but from another poster. I guess my own glass house just took a hit!
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:41 pmI am basically a drunken fraud.
Comment by Barfly
Hey! I resemble that remark! But seriously, Rachel/ A&P Bagger, I make the parts you assemble, so show some respect.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:43 pmI forgot say that that Nat is making a point in his posting, Vince; people like you who make such blanket statements about others and their religous views, as though you know all, are the people who are making Americans look like intolerant ignorant buffoons, in effect, making so much of the world hate us even more. Thanks for representing us Americans as such jackasses, Vince.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pmI cannot fathom what makes people like you utter such contemptuous comments.
Comment by Kat — February 3, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
At school, the kids who feel the most inferior or inadequate are always the first to laugh at or poke fun of someone else’s shortcomings. I’m guessing the same still applies to Vince and those like him…
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmBarfly, the fact that 1,688 have died in India due to Jihadist activity and 0 in China is the reason why I said what I did about China. Though I’m sure you were aware of those facts.
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/globalattacks.jpg
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmI don`t really like to roll around in my own excrement with a bag over my head and masturbate.
Comment by NOTBarfly — February 3, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Only a sick f*ck would consider such a thing in the first place.
Grow up.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmBlue: I realized you misattributed those comments, I didn’t take it personally :)
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmI make the parts you assemble, so show some respect.
Comment by Barfly — February
I mean it Rachel. I could just as easily fabricate the parts so that it just barely makes tolerance — the part is still saleable, contractually speaking, but when you have to fit it up, you’ll be drilling out every #10 rivet hole to make it fit. So don’t piss me off, or all you wrench-monkey’s will pay!
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 pmAttacks in number 79 are those from 2003 onwards.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pmONE MORE TIME SINCE IT WAS SO MUCH FUN
I WAS A MACHINIST ONCE TOO BARFLY YOU DRUNKEN SOT
I am retired (35yrs) and an IAM member for a very long time until they consolidated.
NOW WONDER ALL OF THESE AIRCRAFT MYSTERIOUSLT CRASH ALL THE TIME WITH YOU MAKING THE PARTS ON YOUR CNC LATHE OR MILL
I don`t really like to roll around in my own excrement with a bag over my head and masturbate.
Just another viscous TP rumor. I pack fruit in boxes all night for a living. I know nothing about jets or aircraft except what I read on the internet. I am basically a drunken fraud.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pmOnly a sick f*ck would consider such a thing in the first place.
Grow up.
Comment by unbelievable
She’s paraphrasing me, in her own, cute style. I suggested on another thread yesterday that tough-guy Michael let me do to him what was done at Abu Ghraib, and he could say on camera that it was just harmless fun.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:54 pmNOW WONDER ALL OF THESE AIRCRAFT MYSTERIOUSLT CRASH ALL THE TIME WITH YOU MAKING THE PARTS ON YOUR CNC LATHE OR MILL
That would be the fault of the wrench-monkies. That’s all you know about part fabication?
After thirty five years? That’s probably why the planes crash – you “technical types” think you are the be all, and end all of the aerospace industry, and that you don’t have to learn anything else about the process – you aren’t. I’ve done work for the Skunk Works. You?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 pmYeah. I thought so.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmBut I can’t feel sorry for them in their ignorance — they have to be held accountable.
Comment by Marie
I can’t help but think that the next thing of his mouth would have been how the Dr is a credit to his race. Geez…
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No more needs said really.
Nuff said.
Joanie Doe ®™
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by Marie #37
MSNBC did a follow up interview…
…to my great surprise…
…I hope he gets more airtime…
…he’s truly a breath of fresh air…
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmDas Manifest
“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can’t reach.” -Strother Martin
Above any programming skill, security system or computer hardware knowledge (some of us don’t even know a shit about computers), we all share the same disgust about the lack of respect and the perpetual repression made among us, our peers and our race in general. A world afloat in lies and more lies, in public opinion manipulation, corruption, reality alleviators and so-called needs designed by a few marketing graduates and psychologists who learned pretty well how to use the remaining human innate skills in order to hook the people and use them as tools to perpetuate their absolute monarchy. This is how the hive protects itself from evolution. The queen doesn’t have to fight to stay king of the hill, workers fight each others, the same way we does, getting trained to see each other into one single dimension, to see each other in binary, a combination of 011010 and XX or XY ultimately creating the illusion of a human frame. That process is going on from such a long time that most of us actually trained themselves and succeeded to become that kind of pathetic array of binary coding… “Should I choose between the face lift or these silicone tips? Or let’s get both…” and you will be the idiot getting excited by her new binary array next week. No place left for feelings. In fact, you now have to pay to buy your feelings daily to fill up the empty spaces of your 9 to 5 nightmare. Feelings has become a business in itself and you can be sure an healthy-food psychologist faggot will end up cashing them into a brand new BMW convertible to show how many tormented souls he pretends he cured. A dumb blind confederation of suburban idiots congratulating themselves having the same blood type than Tom Cruise and a larger swimming pool than next door’s neighbor.
Everything has become easy enough to allow the dumbest otist to do whatever kind of activity they can actually pay for. Universities and college-level schools now promotes “learning disorders” with special bursaries while most of the true lunatics end up screwed in the administrative catch 22. This is what our “democracy” is about: leaving our faith in the hand of any two-legged brainless monkey. The word “democracy” itself became the worst buzzword of all. Why worrying you might wonder? “Life’s just too short anyway” you say, and if you think too much, you might end up missing your daily sitcom on your 27″ digital flat screen. Time factor has nothing to do and there is no justification for allowing senselessness. People are getting brain-dead to the point where they are actually paying to advertise the shit they are consuming at a depressing rate. Society has became a huge McDonald’s. Everybody has become similar under the neon lights that irradiates shafts of broken glass. The way the Industrialized North pulls the strings with that “globalisation” process is such that if a painter would mix his entire color palette into one big melting pot leading to a disgusting uniform brownish tone. And when something looks brown, smells like shit and tastes like shit, chances are good that this thing turns out to be shit. This is precisely what is happening from too much uniformity, this race for nationalism and the way we have to mass-market any kind of processed junk all around the planetary beehive.
People are getting crazy, everywhere it’s getting worse. Between a life based on the latest hollywood crappy scenario and their own personnal twisted minds corrupted by a childhood being driven by Kraft processed cheese and happy purple dinosaurs singing non-sences. The problem arises from far behind the fact that the regulations that outline our lives are sketched by a buch of individuals who lives in skycrapers and gather an overwelming wealth from exploiting the average. The real enemy is this average itself, the John Doe who allow these opportunists to screw us up until “we will be so poor and cowed that when They will come to take away our kids we won’t complain, but thank them” as stated by the Reverant Stang. You may think you are in a free country with free speech and free press… Get real, you are free to choose between NBC (owned by Microsoft and G.E. who also owns FOX Network), ABC (owned by Disney) or CBS (owned by Viacom who also owns MTV, Paramount, Famous Players, Blockbusters and name it). Useless to say that these few corps also owns thousands of radio stations, cable/local tv networks, movie/music distribution companies, magazines, major newspapers and so on… well, they own about anything you could possibly imagine. As a matter of fact, it is obvious that there is always somewhere a bigger fish. It has also been obvious that 1984 happened way back in ‘53. Media control is just another step towards mind control. The collective alienation reflects itself in every single aspect of our disfunctional society so that we each other become our own enemies. As stated by Albert Parsons, “formerly the master selected the slave; today the slave selects his master”.
You might say “ahh, that’s just another 21 years old left freak that took Marx too seriously” well, there was indeed a time I enjoyed myself going to the movies and looking at Rambo digging holes in dozens of Vietcong, but then you realized that these Vietnamese are now forced to shoot defoliant and herbicide that will end up in their irrigation system in the cotton crop they are forced to grow and ship overseas to be bleached somewhere where there is no regulation about the use of carcinogenic chlorine bleach. You realize that this bleached cotton crop is then sent to sweatshops in Pakistan where 1.5 million children from 10 to 14 years old catch contagious diseases such as malaria and tuberculosis for being packed into insane conditions for transforming the cotton into fabric that is going to be sent to Bangladesh in a free trade zone factory where they pay a father who has to fed his 12 children because he doesn’t know shit about contraceptives 30 cents an hour of grunt work to sew the damn fabric and ship it to your beloved USA who decides to move the damn plant to Mexico where workers got cancers after spending half of their lives printing the Tommy logo on the goddamn piece of fabric that end up with a production cost of about one hundredth of its selling price that you are going to pay at the mall you are mindlessly shopping every Friday evening. You are not supposed to know that, but you just knew it and once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
What does that has to do with a little team of pseudo-hackers playing with a few softwares in their filthy basement you might wonder. Well, we think that if everybody works in the same way, hackers as well as any other citizen living under the post-modern rise of the megacorporations, we might eventually stop performing these murders and insanities at a massive scale and start using our monkey smartness for something else than our own dumb selves. Forget about which republican or democrat clone puppet you will vote for, which clone car you will buy or whatever else self-centered activity. Turn off your tv and stop thinking about what AT&T and G.E. want you to think about and start using the remaining not-yet-altered part of your brain for a collective purpose.
- The Crimson King 02/04/2007
February 4th, 2007 at 2:43 am