Bush’s Escalation: Doing The Militias’ Dirty Work For Them?
Bush’s Escalation: Doing The Militias’ Dirty Work For Them?
The latest National Intelligence Estimate’s key judgments reached the same conclusion that the Center for American Progress reached last October: that Iraq was worse than simply a civil war because there are at least four major internal conflicts ongoing.
The NIE identifies Muqtada Al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army as one of the “very effective accelerators” of Iraq’s civil war. Reporting from Baghdad, Tom Lasseter of McClatchy Newspapers said that many American junior officers are convinced that the Bush military escalation in Iraq will actually hand over portions of Baghdad to Iraqi security forces infiltrated by the Mehdi Army.
Infiltration is a major problem that President Bush’s plan fails to adequately address. The independent Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction reported earlier this week that U.S. commander estimates that 20-25% of the Iraqi national police “needed to be weeded out.”
In effect, the Bush escalation plan risks handing over territory to forces loyal to Shiite radical cleric Muqtada Al-Sadr, further accelerating Iraq’s civil war and doing nothing to bridge the growing divides among Iraqis.
– Brian Katulis and Peter Juul
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The independent Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction reported earlier this week that U.S. commander estimates that 20-25% of the Iraqi national police “needed to be weeded out.â€
Time to come home!
If we’re now officially propping up an even more corrupt regime than Saddam’s, does Bushie in flyboy costume still get to declare “Mission Accomplished”?
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pmJon Soltz has said it best: ” Americans cannot stop people who want to kill each other from killing each other. ” Since Iraq is not our country and has a culture and history very different from ours, I don’ t see what it it possible for us to do there except ask them what they would like us to do, decide whether it is something we can reasonable do, and them help them to accomplish their own goals. George Bush is asking Congress to allocate another $245 billion to pay for war in Iraq. So far we nave borrowed money from Japanese and Chinese banks to finance this war and we have no known plan to pay back what we have already borrowed. If Congress allocates more money for war how is that to be repaid? We have had 3093 American deaths, so far, in this war and about 23,000 casualties. How will more deaths and casualties justify those? These are questions that Americans need to consider. George Bush is no help in rational consideration of such issues, we have to do it for ourselves, and I believe we are ready and able to do such consideration.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 pmIn other news:
On the other hand:
As more and more money is borrowed and spent on the War, less and less will be available to sustain social programs for Americans.
But we will have a balanced budget!
Oops! Nothing there about the off-budget costs of the War.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:56 pmThese reports mean NOTHING to Bush. When will that sink in to Americans. Bush has an agenda and it is not what the overwhelming majority of Americans want. Think for a minute….with EVERY study that is done that suggests diplomacy and redeployment, with EVERY report that comes out detailing the extent of corruption of no-bid contracts and in the Iraqi military, and with EVERY indicator pointing to an evident civil war what does Bush do? He adds fuel to the fire.
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:57 pmAt least Sadam Hussein kept these various factions in check. Now, it’s every poor soul for himself. It’s not like Bush wasn’t told this was a very bad idea; to invade and topple the Iraq regime. Now, there’s no putting it back together and it’s ten times worse than could have been possibly imagined. George, you’re going down into history as bad as Hitler. At least Hitler could claim insanity. What’s YOUR excuse, George? Greed for power? Arrogance? Just plain stupidity?
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 pmBush’s occupation of Iraq is the cause of all the violence in that hell-hole! Time for the US troops to be pulled out, even though doing so will probably cause more violence after US leaves! The most important thing is not losing any more soldiers lives there and not wasting more billions of dollars for nothing!
February 3rd, 2007 at 12:59 pmCongress, cut George off! Let Exxon-Mobile, the Bush family and the Saudi Royals finance thier own little dirty oil war. They broke it -let them fix it!
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmWhy does TP refer to Muqtada Al-Sadr as a “radical?”
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 pmSo far top US Generals have been unable to identify the good actors from the bad actors. It is a free-for- all. A quagmire, if you will.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmI am so sick of the arguement that Iraq will get worse once the troops leave. Speculation is passing for fact now-a-days. Bush has so many of you stuck on the POSSIBILITY that Iraq will get worse meanwhile…next to NOTHING is being done to enhance security right here in the US. I don’t see anybody complaining about the BILLIONS of dollars being flushed down the toilet called Iraq but when it comes to universal health care or increasing the minimum wage after BILLIONS of dollars in tax breaks ALREADY given to businesses, all I hear is bitching and moaning about how much that is going to cost. Bush and his supporters say it and the sheep follow right along. What short memories Americans have. What has Bush been right about so far?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm#7- Maybe because Bush is so suave, cool and smooth, a true diplomat and gentleman. -heh-
Q. What’s the difference between Bush and a chimpanzee?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmA. Bush is pink… and, the monkey is smarter.
NIE Report Has Clever Hogwash!
3rd of February 2007
by Jay Randal
An old trick of a snake-oil-salesman, or sly con-artist, is to tell some bits of truth while peddling bullcrap, so the National Intelligence Estimate report on Iraq War has some truth, but most of it is steaming pile of crap!
Yes Iraq has degenerated into a horrific sectarian civil-strife, and the Iraqi stooge government will probably never be able to control the religious zealots and sects that divide Iraq, but US occupation makes it far worse!
Iraq has always been a collection of clans and tribes, who basically never have been very cordial citizenry, so Saddam Hussein had to be ruthless to keep them in line and to prevent them from attacking one another!
Saddam was successful in holding his nation of misfits together, since he was the glue that gave them national identity, but the US invasion has unglued Iraqis from being brothers and turned them back into bitter clans!
Keeping US troops in Iraq serves no function, but for the Oil Cartel to make more greedy profits, so it’s way past time to pull out of Iraq and let its people sort it out themselves!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:15 pmTrizza > The Bush Regime uses the argument that Iraq violence would get worse if US troops were pulled out as a justification to keep them there. US occupation fuels the insurgency, and has ignited a sectarian civil-war, so it’s time to pull the troops out and let Iraqis fight it out among themselves.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pmI agree Jay. My point is that I hear that arguement over and over with no regard to the extent of violence that is taking place there already. For anyone to make the assertion that Iraq will descend into chaos totally denies the reality that there is chaos in Iraq ALREADY. Nobody knows what will happen once we leave but one thing we DO know is that our presence is fueling the insurgency. The antithesis of that is what? Remember….the ISG reported that the number of attacks were grossly underreported and now the Pentagon is changing the number of casualties it reports on its website. Now why would they do that?
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:42 pmBASRA OIL UNION . ORG website
We believe that America is complicit in all the acts of death and destruction that occur daily in our wounded Iraq. It is clear to us that the aim of American planning and invasion is to destroy the infrastructure of the country and to create civil strife and conflict between the components of Iraqi society. The sectarianism that is tearing Iraq apart was unknown before the occupation. Even the long war with Iran and the brutal sanctions regime did not fracture the unity of the Iraqi people.
The Iraqi people will remain united in the face of these crimes that are orchestrated by the occupying American forces. I implore the peace loving people of the west who believe in genuine democracy to stand with the Iraqi people in their hour of need. The Iraqi people will rise to expel the occupying forces and start the mammoth task of reconstruction with Iraqi hands, and help from the peace loving people of the world.
And I particularly say to America “hands off Iraqi oilâ€. This wealth belongs to the people of Iraq and the decent people of the world.
Hassan Juma’a Awad Al-Asadi.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:47 pmHead of Federation of Iraqi Oil Unions
18/01/07
The ‘Lame Duck’ Label
On Tuesday, President Bush popped in for a surprise visit to the Sterling Family Restaurant, a homey diner in Peoria, Ill. It’s a scene that has been played out many times before by this White House and others: a president mingling among regular Americans, who, no matter what they might think of his policies, are usually humbled and shocked to see the leader of the free world standing 10 feet in front of them.
But on Tuesday, the surprise was on Bush. In town to deliver remarks on the economy, the president walked into the diner, where he was greeted with what can only be described as a sedate reception. No one rushed to shake his hand. There were no audible gasps or yelps of excitement that usually accompany visits like this. Last summer, a woman nearly fainted when Bush made an unscheduled visit for some donut holes at the legendary Lou Mitchell’s Restaurant in Chicago. In Peoria this week, many patrons found their pancakes more interesting. Except for the click of news cameras and the clang of a dish from the kitchen, the quiet was deafening.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16908975/site/newsweek/
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm“On Wednesday, Bush went to Wall Street to deliver remarks on the economy. CNN and MSNBC carried portions of the speech live, but Fox News Channel, a network that has been viewed as sympathetic to this White House, did not, opting instead to air reports on immigration and the 2008 presidential race.”
(same source)
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 pm#15 & 16 – Losing the heartland. Heh.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pmlosing peoria – whoa…
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmLosing the heartland. Heh.
Comment by Zooey — February 3, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
As desperate as he is to be liked, I’m always happy to hear this type of news – mostly because I think it will manipulate him to do something to fix being not liked…
But then again, he did respond to the Democractic slaughter of Republicans in November with this current unwanted escalation of troops – so I guess it remains a no-win situation regardless… Sigh…
Impeachment. It remains our last bastion of hope…
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmIraq is going to get worse whether or not we stay there. We have done the damage – Pandora’s box has been opened – we can stay there and sacrifice more of our own as well as theirs until it ends, or we can go, and hasten the end.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmBush has been a disastrous leader, a calamity waiting to happen — everyone agrees Iraq is in civil war, thousands will kill one another, regional war is a risk that’s almost inevitable.
There is no point to staying there any longer – there is nothing to be gained or won.
As Americans we all bear responsibility for our leaders’ actions, if only because we are Americans. Our leaders are few and don’t reflect our views, but they do represent us on the world stage, like it or not.
After Bush is gone, we can try to repair the damage – from a weakened and humiliated position – so let’s bring them home and work on removing Bush.
In comparison to Bush’s reception by the Average American:
“Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama drew an overflow crowd at a college rally Friday, the type of turnout usually reserved for winning basketball teams or rock bands.”
(buzzflash)
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:12 pmi’ve been away from the loop for days… haven’t been able to follow up on a certain story…
last week a bunch of SUVs and personel disguised as US attacked and killed 5 soldiers – was that also a case of infiltration?
i’m hearing stories about bushco trying to pin it, and other such, on IRAN… others, like this thread, seem more credible – that our forces are actually training the insurgents… yeesh…
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 pm“others, like this thread, seem more credible”
Credible? Who? Gullible is more like it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:27 pmI surprised at TP recycling Bush rhetoric demonizing Muqtada Al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army. Al Sadr is not the problem here. his Mahdi Army is the only security many poor Shias have. Al Sadr is an Iraqi nationalist that has many of the same goals that the administration states they have. He is against the partioning Iraq , he is part of the ongoing political process and he is known to have been able to reach out to the Sunni insurgents in negotiation. His biggest sins are that he wants a timetable for the US to leave and his popularity among the Shia poor. His rival for influence among the Shia is the Badr Brigade. The Badr Brigade is known to have been financed trained and supported by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The Badr Brigade is known to have infiltrated the Iraqi security forces and the police in the southern provinces. Despite the rhetoric about “Iranian influence”, the US military has taken sides with the Badr Brigade against the Mahdi Army on several occasions. In the chaos that is Iraq today, there is no telling who the bad guys and the good guys are. Demonizing Al Sadr will not help this situation.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmMichael, I get the feeling you’re avoiding me. For days you challenged Zooey to a debate. You even grew quite derisive. Yet when I offered to take you on, you became silent.
What’s the matter, Michael? Afraid to take on a junior high school teacher?
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmIt looks like an earlier post of mine disappeared.
Will we know whether or not some of these “militias” are funded and supported by the U.S. as in the case of the Nicaraguan Death Squads?
Remember, some of the same players in Bush’s Administration were involved in that mess. (sorry, no link. my earlier post had the link…go figure.)
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmBackground info, from 2 years ago:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1433353,00.html
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmWhen the US eventually pulls out of Iraq, then another strongman like Saddam will consolidate his control over Iraq. That despot might or might not be pro US, and might refuse to honor any oil agreements made by the current Iraqi stooge government. Bush’s folly can never be redeemed in Iraq, nor is there any guarantee that US Oil corporations can control the petrolem after the US pulls out. This is the problem that Bush created and Cheney should never have made a promise to Big Oil that is not feasible.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmOne idea is for the US to inform Chevron, Exxon, Shell, etc. that the troops will be pulled completely out of Iraq by end of this year, so therefore the Oil companies can hire a mercenary army at their expense to try to hold onto controlling the oil fields. They have made windfall profits the past few years, so they can use that money to hire mercenaries themselves. Not one dime of US taxpayers money should be used to help the Oil Cartel in Iraq.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmComment by Jay Randal — February 3, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Not if it’s done the right way. The responsible course of action would be for the U.S. to go to the U.N. and request about a half-million peacekeeping troops to deploy in concert with a U.S. withdrawl, with the U.S. picking up the financial tab for the entire costs.
Only a huge international presence can prevent Iraq from total meltdown now.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmFaire > nice idea, but hard to get nations to commit to Iraq peacekeeping force because of Bush’s stupidity and arrogance. Iraq might break apart into 2 or 3 nations, much like Yugoslavia did after collapse of communist government. It would NOT be wise for the US to draw up the borders for those new states, because that could cause more warfare in Iraq.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:01 pmJay, I agree. And sending Bolton to the UN on a recess appointment didn’t exactly endear us with the international community either.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhen one compares the NIE report with the Center for American Progress position AND fails to address the insistence by the administration that Maliki and the Iraqis better go after the Mahdi Army, you are doing a disservice to those who consider you a credible source. Those of us who do not are less gullible than the run of the mill progressive.
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No more needs said really.
Nuff said.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:09 pm“Not one dime of US taxpayers money should be used to help the Oil Cartel in Iraq.”
Spoken like a man who has NO understanding of economics….and who relies on a skateboard and bicycle for transportation
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmSpoken like a man who has NO understanding of economics….
Comment by valiant venus
So all along it was about oil. Is boring to be correct almost all the time.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmHola Juan – Good thing you no trabajo por la governmente in Mexico. Just imagine how many illegal aliens the US wouldn’t “need” if our economy went belly up? And when one considers the dinero sent to Mexico constitutes the second largest source of revenue in that drug-cartel run country, you might want to rethink the imporatnce of a good US economy to your hermanos. Buenos noches.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 pmIn our newspaper today (in Canada) an Arab writer wrote that the Sunni and Shia have been fighting each other for centuries. Bush failed to study history before invading. They only way out is to leave and let them fight it out unfortunatly.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmLol I always find it hilarious when somebody defends the greedy oil industry on TP threads, like valiant venus, because only fools defend them or paid shills for the oil lobby.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 pmCan we please just admit this ill conceived fiasco is the worst blight on our national history and pride ever. Then get the regional powers to agree on fixing it. Then leave?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 pmThat, at the moment, is the best alternative.
Jay Randal, please explain to our viewers what would happen to our nations’ economy should a major interruption occur in our oil supply BEFORE we shift our consumption away from fossil fuels. (I have long suspected you of idiocy – answer carefully or you may confirm my suspicions.)
February 4th, 2007 at 12:09 amvaliant venus,
Too bad you connssss, didn’t ask that question before you disrupted the supply from Iraq. What happens? Well you get 3$ gas, like we have right now. A fact you and the rest of your inepticons(tm) seem completely oblivious to. Maybe you shouldn’t have named yourself after a carnivorous plant that doesn’t have a brain. Then again, what better choice could you have made, mizz fly trap?
February 4th, 2007 at 1:39 amre#46 valiant venus
How did our oil get under their sand?
If other countries depend on US wheat, then should those countries have the right to occupy the US, to protect their wheat supply?
If your answer is no, then does that not make you a HYPOCRITE?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:02 amDas Manifest
“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can’t reach.” -Strother Martin
Above any programming skill, security system or computer hardware knowledge (some of us don’t even know a shit about computers), we all share the same disgust about the lack of respect and the perpetual repression made among us, our peers and our race in general. A world afloat in lies and more lies, in public opinion manipulation, corruption, reality alleviators and so-called needs designed by a few marketing graduates and psychologists who learned pretty well how to use the remaining human innate skills in order to hook the people and use them as tools to perpetuate their absolute monarchy. This is how the hive protects itself from evolution. The queen doesn’t have to fight to stay king of the hill, workers fight each others, the same way we does, getting trained to see each other into one single dimension, to see each other in binary, a combination of 011010 and XX or XY ultimately creating the illusion of a human frame. That process is going on from such a long time that most of us actually trained themselves and succeeded to become that kind of pathetic array of binary coding… “Should I choose between the face lift or these silicone tips? Or let’s get both…” and you will be the idiot getting excited by her new binary array next week. No place left for feelings. In fact, you now have to pay to buy your feelings daily to fill up the empty spaces of your 9 to 5 nightmare. Feelings has become a business in itself and you can be sure an healthy-food psychologist faggot will end up cashing them into a brand new BMW convertible to show how many tormented souls he pretends he cured. A dumb blind confederation of suburban idiots congratulating themselves having the same blood type than Tom Cruise and a larger swimming pool than next door’s neighbor.
Everything has become easy enough to allow the dumbest otist to do whatever kind of activity they can actually pay for. Universities and college-level schools now promotes “learning disorders” with special bursaries while most of the true lunatics end up screwed in the administrative catch 22. This is what our “democracy” is about: leaving our faith in the hand of any two-legged brainless monkey. The word “democracy” itself became the worst buzzword of all. Why worrying you might wonder? “Life’s just too short anyway” you say, and if you think too much, you might end up missing your daily sitcom on your 27″ digital flat screen. Time factor has nothing to do and there is no justification for allowing senselessness. People are getting brain-dead to the point where they are actually paying to advertise the shit they are consuming at a depressing rate. Society has became a huge McDonald’s. Everybody has become similar under the neon lights that irradiates shafts of broken glass. The way the Industrialized North pulls the strings with that “globalisation” process is such that if a painter would mix his entire color palette into one big melting pot leading to a disgusting uniform brownish tone. And when something looks brown, smells like shit and tastes like shit, chances are good that this thing turns out to be shit. This is precisely what is happening from too much uniformity, this race for nationalism and the way we have to mass-market any kind of processed junk all around the planetary beehive.
People are getting crazy, everywhere it’s getting worse. Between a life based on the latest hollywood crappy scenario and their own personnal twisted minds corrupted by a childhood being driven by Kraft processed cheese and happy purple dinosaurs singing non-sences. The problem arises from far behind the fact that the regulations that outline our lives are sketched by a buch of individuals who lives in skycrapers and gather an overwelming wealth from exploiting the average. The real enemy is this average itself, the John Doe who allow these opportunists to screw us up until “we will be so poor and cowed that when They will come to take away our kids we won’t complain, but thank them” as stated by the Reverant Stang. You may think you are in a free country with free speech and free press… Get real, you are free to choose between NBC (owned by Microsoft and G.E. who also owns FOX Network), ABC (owned by Disney) or CBS (owned by Viacom who also owns MTV, Paramount, Famous Players, Blockbusters and name it). Useless to say that these few corps also owns thousands of radio stations, cable/local tv networks, movie/music distribution companies, magazines, major newspapers and so on… well, they own about anything you could possibly imagine. As a matter of fact, it is obvious that there is always somewhere a bigger fish. It has also been obvious that 1984 happened way back in ‘53. Media control is just another step towards mind control. The collective alienation reflects itself in every single aspect of our disfunctional society so that we each other become our own enemies. As stated by Albert Parsons, “formerly the master selected the slave; today the slave selects his master”.
You might say “ahh, that’s just another 21 years old left freak that took Marx too seriously” well, there was indeed a time I enjoyed myself going to the movies and looking at Rambo digging holes in dozens of Vietcong, but then you realized that these Vietnamese are now forced to shoot defoliant and herbicide that will end up in their irrigation system in the cotton crop they are forced to grow and ship overseas to be bleached somewhere where there is no regulation about the use of carcinogenic chlorine bleach. You realize that this bleached cotton crop is then sent to sweatshops in Pakistan where 1.5 million children from 10 to 14 years old catch contagious diseases such as malaria and tuberculosis for being packed into insane conditions for transforming the cotton into fabric that is going to be sent to Bangladesh in a free trade zone factory where they pay a father who has to fed his 12 children because he doesn’t know shit about contraceptives 30 cents an hour of grunt work to sew the damn fabric and ship it to your beloved USA who decides to move the damn plant to Mexico where workers got cancers after spending half of their lives printing the Tommy logo on the goddamn piece of fabric that end up with a production cost of about one hundredth of its selling price that you are going to pay at the mall you are mindlessly shopping every Friday evening. You are not supposed to know that, but you just knew it and once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
What does that has to do with a little team of pseudo-hackers playing with a few softwares in their filthy basement you might wonder. Well, we think that if everybody works in the same way, hackers as well as any other citizen living under the post-modern rise of the megacorporations, we might eventually stop performing these murders and insanities at a massive scale and start using our monkey smartness for something else than our own dumb selves. Forget about which republican or democrat clone puppet you will vote for, which clone car you will buy or whatever else self-centered activity. Turn off your tv and stop thinking about what AT&T and G.E. want you to think about and start using the remaining not-yet-altered part of your brain for a collective purpose.
- The Crimson King 02/04/2007
February 4th, 2007 at 2:41 amJay Randal,…(I have long suspected you of idiocy-…)
Comment by valiant venus
And who the hell are you,Dipshit?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:58 amHey everyone,
This is how it’s been from the get go.
These idiots, who knew nothing about Islam, or Iraq, put Iranian based extremists into power from day one.
I mean SCIRI, one of the ‘heroes’ in Iraq, according to BushCo, is an Iranian based terrorists organization way before it had any real political ambitions. ‘The Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq’ was funded solely by Iran, and it’s leadership was trained in Iran. Many of it’s members took part in anti-Saddam terrorist style raids in Iraq (back when Saddam was our ally). These same political extremists, funded and trained by Iran, whose goal it is to bring Iranian style Islamic leadership to Iraq, is one of the biggest benefactors of the BushCo. war.
And that’s just the tip of the melting iceberg.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:42 amOil Industry lover trolls are the most rediculous ones on TP. Defending fat CEO slobs like Mr. Raymond of Exxon > lol.
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