Limbaugh: Stranded Polar Bears Are ‘Just Playing Around…Like Your Cat Goes To Its Litter Box’
Limbaugh: Stranded Polar Bears Are ‘Just Playing Around…Like Your Cat Goes To Its Litter Box’
This week, the UK Daily Mail published photos of polar bears stranded on ice floes in the Arctic.
Determined to deny the existence of global warming, Rush Limbaugh said on Friday that the bears were “just playing around…just like your cat goes to its litter box”:
This whole thing is totally misleading. They’re not even stranded on an ice floe that’s broken apart. They’re just out there just playing around. They’re just out there. You know, just like your cat goes to its litter box. When’s the last time your cat got stranded in its litter box? Just like your pit bull attacks and kills the neighbor’s baby horse, whatever, I mean these things happen. It’s called nature.
This isn’t “nature.” It’s human-induced global warming. In recent months, scientists have found that:
– Polar bears “are drowning because climate change is melting the Arctic ice shelf. Researchers were startled to find bears having to swim up to 60 miles across open sea to find food. They are being forced into the long voyages because the ice floes from which they feed are melting, becoming smaller and drifting farther apart.”
– “Pregnant polar bears in Alaska, which spend most of their lives on sea ice, are increasingly giving birth on land, according to researchers who say global warming is probably to blame.”
– Polar bears “may be turning to cannibalism because longer seasons without ice keep them from getting to their natural food.”
In December, the Bush administration “decided to propose listing the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, putting the U.S. government on record as saying that global warming could drive one of the world’s most recognizable animals out of existence.”
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What we have done to the earth is heartbreaking.
Limbaugh is terminally stupid. Anyone who listens to him joins the ranks of the terminally stupid.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmI say we put Rush on an iceberg and let him find out from experience.
The fat bastard could use the “exercize”… Or serve as lunch to one of the starving animals…
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmRush might find a cat’s litter box a place to ‘play’, but I can assure you, my cats do not… They’re smarter than that.
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pm“Just like your pit bull attacks and kills the neighbor’s baby horse, whatever, I mean these things happen. It’s called nature.”
um… did limpballs just incriminate himself, and his pitbull?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:01 pmregardless – that ain’t “nature”… that’s criminal negligence, at least…
The ground this fool once stood on has eroded, but I’m sure he will blame Clinton or Soros…Sad that he has so many other ditto-heads/fools who believe his nonsense. Maybe they will understand when the water is waist deep in the card room of the country club.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:03 pmThank you, Mr. Limbaugh, for attempting to keep the United States squarely on the path of environmental exploitation and devastation. The rest of the world agrees that global warming is the product of human behavior, but then you’ve never been one to worry about the odds, have you?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pmRush isn’t even worth a post. He just says stuff to get a reaction.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pmlaurie david was on the today show this morning…
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmshe was fantastic, as usual…
the today show – now there is no denying it…
Let’s send Rush on an ice floe in the arctic to play with those bears.
Who the hell does he think he is that he should spew such careless and irresponsible, fact-free conclusions.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 pmIf your cat’s litter box is floating in the middle of an ocean surrounded by 60+ miles of water, then yes, for once you’re right Rush Limbaugh!
It’s sickening how blinded by greed people have become, not noticing the world exploding around them because they’re too busy in their little bubble
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 pmThe late, great Molly Ivins wrote something about Rush one time that many of our conservative friends would do well to consider. She wrote that satire had been a tool for a long time by the powerless when talking to the powerful. But, she said, when the powerful use satire against the powerless, it was like kicking a cripple.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 pm“This week, the UK Daily Mail published photos of polar bears stranded on ice floes in the Arctic”
What a bunch of BS! Rush is right! What is to the right in that picture that they are not showing? Do you think the ice is melting so quickly that the bears woke up one morning to find themselves stranded? You liberals are a bunch of gullible kooks!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 pmRush is right!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
The Whack-a-troll offers nothiong but nonsense and opinions, As usual… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:27 pmAnd just when did Rush Limbaugh receive his degree in biology, zoology, or veterinary science? Why does he think he knows more than the experts do?
Oh, wait…silly me! I forgot — that’s exactly one of the qualities which defines a neoconservative. They know absolutely everything there is to know — they simply obtain whatever information they need by osmosis, without ever needing to study or even read anything on the subject — and it’s absolutely impossible for them to ever make a mistake.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:28 pmIt is interesting how many fields Rush Limbaugh can tackle and claim to cover sitting in front of his microphone..Today, Rush Limbaugh extends his knowledge and experience to Polar bears.,by linking the bears behavior to simply, ‘just cats going to litter box’.!! amazing.
May be he can also tell us something about Chicago Bears ..!!!!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:30 pm“Who the hell does he think he is that he should spew such careless and irresponsible, fact-free conclusions”
And you believe what you read in the article was FACT!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:30 pm“Limbaugh is terminally stupid. Anyone who listens to him joins the ranks of the terminally stupid”
How profound zooey! You get more irrelevant with each passing day!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmPolar bears “may be turning to cannibalism because longer seasons without ice keep them from getting to their natural food.â€
Now if we could only copy this model of success in the mideast against Muslims, then we would be on to something.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmYou liberals are a bunch of gullible kooks!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Chrichton, is that you?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pm“The Whack-a-troll offers nothiong but nonsense and opinions, As usual”
Let’s see how correct you are in front of all your buddies? Point out the nonsense?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:33 pmNow if we could only copy this model of success in the mideast against Muslims, then we would be on to something.
Comment by bipolar molar — February 3, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Why stop at Muslims? How about Christians?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmTo the right, you ask? Well, that would be dumb obscurants like you and the drug addict pissing on our beautiful Earth.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmRush is right!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
The Whack-a-troll offers nothiong but nonsense and opinions, As usual… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Comment by unbelievable — February 3, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
And you incessantly keep filling these TP threads up with your short staccato quips and quotes that to be perfectly honest, and I speak for everyone here, we are just plain sick of it unbelievable.
There you have it, I said it to you since no one else apparently has the nerve to.
Now what you going to do for an encore?
Fill up this thread with your nonsensical ” all about me ” tripe?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pm“And just when did Rush Limbaugh receive his degree in biology, zoology, or veterinary science?”
He doesn’t need a degree in any of those disciplines. He’s using something that is a huge void in your worlds, common sense!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 pmLet’s see how correct you are in front of all your buddies? Point out the nonsense?
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Easy..
Let’s see how correct you are in front of all your buddies? Point out the nonsense?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 pmComment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
LET`S BRING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT WHERE IT BELONGS:
nothiong? And this butcher is teaching our kids?
Quick, someone get me back on the plane to Literacyville.
What a frump you are unbelievable.
“The Whack-a-troll offers nothiong but nonsense and opinions, As usualâ€
Comment by unbelievable — February 3, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 pmI’ve come to believe that Limbaugh and his followers actually get some sort of thrill, similar to the one they get from war perhaps, when they consider the idea of other species’ extinction. They delight in death and mock the sorrow of those with more empathy than them.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:42 pm“There you have it, I said it to you since no one else apparently has the nerve to.”
No, you are not the first. Many others have resorted to their own bile when I challenge their stupid comments which they rarely are able to back up. I’m not here to present things to you; I’m here to expose your foolishness and rhetoric!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:42 pmNow what you going to do for an encore?
Comment by restricted access — February 3, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Laugh at your obvious in ability to offer anything of substance yourself, and therefore try to insult me to feel better about it. LOL
If that’s the best you have, then pathetic and desperate are compliments. Silly demented troll. Shoo.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pm“Easy..
Let’s see how correct you are in front of all your buddies? Point out the nonsense?
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Comment by unbelievable”
You’re making things too easy for me. You couldn’t even respond with an intelligent answer!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pmWhat a bunch of BS! Rush is right! What is to the right in that picture that they are not showing? Do you think the ice is melting so quickly that the bears woke up one morning to find themselves stranded? You liberals are a bunch of gullible kooks!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
To anyone who would look the ice does appear to be melting. The shape of the ice can not be formed by breaking off. Those shapes can only the results of melting. But some people are too stupid to see what is right in front of their eyes. But of course Rush Limbaugh does not care about the truth. He only cares about himself. And by the time the true comes out it will be too late!!
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:46 pmWhat a frump you are unbelievable.
Comment by able one — February 3, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Over a typo? (The ‘o’ key is adjacent to the ‘i’ key, rachel/angie/patricia)
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:46 pmMichael YOU think Rush is right.
If he is right then prove it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmI’m here to expose your foolishness and rhetoric!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Did the sanitarium just create ‘internet hour’ for their inmates?
Rachel is just upset that I told her that she might wanna find a better place to blog if she was so unhappy here. Crazy suggestion, I know… LOL
michael, well, I think he’s self-explanatory…
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmRush Limbaugh’s show is just talk, he is just playing around. You know like how crap comes out your a$$? — Spudge Boy
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I really can’t agree with that assessment. Never once has Limbaugh ever done what Stephen Colbert does on “The Colbert Report”. When you watch Stephen Colbert for any prolonged period of time, it becomes clear that his exaggerated portrayal of a neoconservative is intended as satire which highlights the flaws and hypocrisies of the neoconservative argument. While Limbaugh occasionally makes statements which seem to suggest that he doesn’t mean what he says (”I don’t consider myself an offensive guy. I am just a harmless lovable little fuzzball”), they’re never all that convincing — any more than someone who makes a spiteful remark is convincing when they follow it up by saying “I was only joking.” If Limbaugh really is joking when he says what he does, then the joke is on his listeners because a goodly number of them take him seriously. Colbert clearly is playing around because everyone knows that he’s not really a conservative — but instead of making his audience the butt of the joke, he lets them in on it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmYou couldn’t even respond with an intelligent answer!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Actually, I did. But apparently it went right over your head. Not surprised.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:52 pmRush also says ‘liberals’ hate America simply because they voice their opinion. Now I am going to kick the feet right out from under that asinine un-patriotic argument.
WILLIAMSBURG, Va. – President Bush squarely addressed the issue most on the mind of House Democrats, saying Saturday that deep divisions over the Iraq war need not bring anyone’s patriotism into question.
“You know, I welcome debate in a time of war and I hope you know that,” Bush said in opening remarks at the guest speaker at a retreat that drew about 200 lawmakers to a Virginia resort.
He said disagreeing with him over the war — as many in the room do — does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.
“You can get that thought out of your mind, if that’s what some believe,” the president said. “These are tough times, but there’s no doubt in my mind that you want to secure this homeland as much as I do”
Now as for the Polar bears of course the ice didn’t melt fast enough to strand them, what happens is that they swim for many miles without finding food. Not finding any seals, they grow to weak to swim back, and then become stranded.
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:53 pmEVERYONE BE QUIET NOW, THIS IS UNBELIEVABLES THREAD.
Comment by restricted access — February 3, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Oh Santo, it’s you…
I thought you were crapping all over RawStory these days?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:56 pmYou couldn’t even respond with an intelligent answer!
Comment by michael
I have yet to see you provide any links or any intelligent posts. You simply parrot what Rush says and what he says is nothing but Rhetoric. Comparing a Polar Bear with a Cat litter box. That has to be one of the lamest things I have ever heard. Rush has many reaseachers on his staff and this is the best they can do? A cat litter Box?
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:57 pm“To anyone who would look the ice does appear to be melting. The shape of the ice can not be formed by breaking off. Those shapes can only the results of melting”
Again, do you think the bears are so stupid that they would live on ice that is about to melt into the ocean? They apparently have more common sense than you liberals. Let’s see the whole picture!
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:01 pmGo on over to Rush’s website Michael and copy and paste some more stuff we can debunk. Thanks. =)
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:02 pmyogurt,sandals,hippy,longhair,joints,peace,love,vw microbus.
Experiment over. Human population failed.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 pmLab rats won, and are now more sophisticated.
“As opposed to you who was irrevlevant the second you started typing your first post here”
Ah another example of liberal debating skills. Their #1 rule is: If you can’t respond intelligently, insult!
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:04 pmAgain, do you think the bears are so stupid that they would live on ice that is about to melt into the ocean? They apparently have more common sense than you liberals. Let’s see the whole picture!
Comment by michael
Please drop the liberal jargon, it’s childish.
But I guess if your boat capsized you wouldn’t hang on to it because you are smarter than a polar bear?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:05 pmA dinner of Rush Limbaugh could feed those polar bears for at least 6 months, but they probably would puke him up. You just can’t eat shit to survive.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:05 pmHe doesn’t need a degree in any of those disciplines. He’s using something that is a huge void in your worlds, common sense!
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Michael, Michael, Michael…just because you know something about your cat doesn’t mean you know anything about a polar bear — and neither “common sense” nor observing an animal in the zoo is an adequate substitute for studying animals in the wild. Any reputable biologist, zoologist, or veterinary surgeon knows this. Are you honestly trying to tell us that Rush knows more about polar bears than people with doctoral degree in zoology who’ve actually gone up to the Arctic and studied them? Oh, wait…silly me, I forgot. Colleges and universities are all bastions of liberalism so nothing that is taught there can possibly be true…right?
And by the way…the fact that you’re resorting to insult rather than backing up your statement with facts only shows that you’re fighting a losing battle. If I may paraphrase FDR, the first person to resort to insult is the one who has lost the ability to think and is out of ideas.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmSpudge just debunked you Michael, what you got to say now?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmSorry, I will be more clear that Rush Limbaugh is an a$$hole next time.
Comment by Spudge_Boy —
I will second that emotion from me to you: Potato in the Ass Boy
aka >Spudge_Boy
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmSince Spudge posted the entire photo and it slammed michael, he is probably beating his head against his desk now and will soon be carried back to his cell to relax…
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmSpudge, Bluestocking, Jet Mech, unbelievable:
Have any of you actually witnessed michael debating anything on any level?
I haven’t.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmA dinner of Rush Limbaugh could feed those polar bears for at least 6 months, but they probably would puke him up. You just can’t eat shit to survive.
Comment by GodfryDaniel
They would probably become comatose, and addicted, with all the oxycontin they ingested from whats in Rush’s stored fat.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:09 pm“Michael YOU think Rush is right.
If he is right then prove it”
I’m not saying he is right; I’m just challenging your foolishness. You people want to believe anyone who writes an article supporting global warming. This picture of the bears is all over the internet and it has you liberals screaming! Rush has his opinion and you have yours. If we could see the entire picture we could settle this. My money is on Rush!
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:10 pmJust like your pit bull attacks and kills the neighbor’s baby horse, whatever, I mean these things happen. It’s called nature.
Sorry Limp, but that’s called a criminal offense, and I’d have the pit bull euthanized, if I didn’t shoot it first. It’s just nature, after all.
Kind of like you, Limp, a prime example of nature gone awry with your tiny brain trapped inside such a huge, bumbling, gelatenous body.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:10 pmI just got done petting my cat. He seems okay. And if Rush says the polar bears are alot like my cat, then I believe him.
I am looking at my cat right now.
My cat is okay = polar bears are okay.
Get it? It doesn`t take a rocket scientist to figure out that these things happen in nature, just as death happens in a war.
It used to be called common sense. What do they call it these days with you Democrats?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:11 pmHe doesn’t need a degree in any of those disciplines. He’s using something that is a huge void in your worlds, common sense!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Since when is it that common sense is devoid of reality. To say Rush Limbaugh’s words are base on common sense is a huge stretched of the imagination. For one to understand what is happening to polar bears requires extensive time in the field to observe what is happening and not just one’s uneducated guess. And to my knowledge Rush has not spend the time in the field to know what he talking about.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pm“We all see that you can’t point out the nonsense dumb fu*k.”
Refer to #49
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmHave any of you actually witnessed michael debating anything on any level?
I haven’t.
Comment by Zooey — February 3, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Me neither. He just does exactly what he is accusing us of doing – insulting others.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pm“Did the sanitarium just create ‘internet hour’ for their inmates?”
Refer to #49. You are reinforcing it for me! Thanks!
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:14 pmhe is probably beating his head against his desk now
Comment by unbelievable — February 3, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
My money is on Rush!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
I stand corrected… michael is actually beating his head against his keyboard and this is what comes out…
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:15 pm“Actually, I did”
And I’m sure you can point it out to me? Wait! Can anyone point it out to me?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmI’m not saying he is right;
YOU did say Rush was right.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmScroll back and reread your post.
I am looking at my cat right now.
My cat is okay = polar bears are okay.
Get it?
Comment by grandma hastings — February 3, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
I hope you are being satirical…
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmSpudge, Bluestocking, Jet Mech, unbelievable:
Have any of you actually witnessed michael debating anything on any level?
I haven’t.
Comment by Zooey — February 3, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Zoo – I usually just “troll” though and read the comments during the week and I have wondered about this for awhile. All he ever does is complain about how “all” liberals…”fill in the blank” and make baseless attacks that he cannot prove. For example how he wrote that there were only 30,000 people at the war protest. I have yet to see him provide a valid link. Has anyone else?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 pmWhat a bunch of BS! Rush is right! What is to the right in that picture that they are not showing? Do you think the ice is melting so quickly that the bears woke up one morning to find themselves stranded? You liberals are a bunch of gullible kooks!
Comment by michael
what you as a masturba,,, umm,, master debator should have wrote
I THINK this is a bunch of BS! I think maybe Rush is right! What is to the right in that picture that they are not showing? Do you think the ice is melting so quickly that the bears woke up one morning to find themselves stranded? I think You
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 pmliberalspeople here are a bunch of gullible kooks!Comment by michael
You are reinforcing it for me! Thanks!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
That you are insane? We know.
You’ve not acknowledged that the entire photo validates melting ice and stranded bears. How come?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:23 pmHave any of you actually witnessed michael debating anything on any level?I haven’t.
Comment by Zooey
I haven’t. Michael gets the IGGY award.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:24 pmAgain, do you think the bears are so stupid that they would live on ice that is about to melt into the ocean? They apparently have more common sense than you liberals. Let’s see the whole picture!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
To answer your question NO I DO NOT THINK POLAR BEARS ARE STUPID JUST POEPLE LIKE YOU WHO WILL NOT LOOK AND SEE WHAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN EYES. BUT WILL LISTEN TO EVERY WORD THAT POEPLE LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH SAIDS. NOW THAT IS STUPID.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:26 pmMichael has posted several times since Spudge posted the link to the entire picture in #48. He still hasn’t responded. I wonder why???
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmI guess these were stupid neocon bears, who believed that leaving this hunk of ice signaled defeat to the terrorists.
This is what Iraq would look like before Bush decides maybe it is time to let go.
Honestly, not all animals are all that smart. They do what they can to survive; when they miss the boat and they die.
Bears do get isolated and starve frequently.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmLet’s see the whole picture!
Comment by michael — February 3, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
You’re seen it… Now recant! Or, better yet – go away!
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmI guess I will bookmark the picture for him, so I can show him later.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Please show him every time you see him post in any thread from now on :D
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmIf we haul Rush out there, do you think he would grow some empathy or a brain?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmRegardless of whether or not these are real, melting ice flows and these particular bear are stranded-
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe topic of global warming is one that George Bush has ignored until the rest of the world has pressed him into recognising it. Not only did he ignore it, he manipulated scientific data to keep the information suppressed and out of circulation. So, those of you a-holes who think this is so funny that you can debate small, mute points -you HAVE the small, mute points -on the top of your small, mute heads.
It’s really too bad the scientists are all over the map. First, in the 70’s it was global cooling. The cries abounded. “We are in for another Ice Age” – - – etc etc etc. Now it’s global warming. YES, we have global warming. Is it induced by humans. I don’t think so. There is far too much evidence that says otherwise. The medieval warming period comes to mind, and it was MUCH warmer then than now. The fact that the SUN is hotter also comes to mind, warmer so that even the co2 polar icecaps on Mars is seen to be getting smaller, and I am sure humans havent reached that far. Are we a contributary factor. Maybe, but we are not the major factor in this.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:40 pmRush has his opinion and you have yours. — Michael
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You and Rush are certainly entitled to your own opinions, Michael — but not your own facts. Rush’s statements are in no way phrased as opinion, and neither have yours been — they are phrased as factual statements. You can believe anything you like — but just because you believe it doesn’t automatically make it true. You can say the same thing about us as well, of course — but shouldn’t the facts as observed and determined by the scientists who are actually up there in the Arctic be the the determining factor?
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:45 pm#87- Excuse me, Mr. Expert, but I would prefer to listen to real scientists who are merely presenting scientific data, not injecting political bias or uneducated conjecture.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:47 pmI love ThinkProgress but when I do venture into the comments I cannot believe how much energy commenters are willing to waste giving validation to a single troll – albeit a particularly and stupefyingly braindead troll.
Do not feed the trolls and they will wither and die.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmThe fact that the SUN is hotter also comes to mind, warmer so that even the co2 polar icecaps on Mars is seen to be getting smaller, and I am sure humans havent reached that far. Are we a contributary factor. Maybe, but we are not the major factor in this. -DG
The earth does have a procession period and a natural carbon cycle. And I think we have exacerbated the carbon cycle. El nina and El ninos do have an effect as well as the oceans are but large heat sinks.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:55 pm90- The UK Daily Mail is not a science journal. That pic is not a pic of “stranded” polar bears. Read the first part of the article critically. They are saying that the picture is a metaphor, not that these particular bears are stranded in the photo.
February 3rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmFrom the article:
“They cling precariously to the top of what is left of the ice floe, their fragile grip the perfect symbol of the tragedy of global warming.
Captured on film by Canadian environmentalists, the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice. ”
This picture is a symbol to the uninformed. They look stranded, but they are not.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmHow can conservatives ignore all this? HOW?
It’s my generation that’s going to be screwed. Maybe we’ll just cut social services for the old, fat and wealthy, and put that money towards fixing the problem that could be fixed with minimal damage the economy now. Where are those ‘We can’t wait for the smoking gun’-ers now?
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmYou complete dumbasses.
Read critically, children. And I sdidn’t take it from the caption. Those were the first lines of the article.
That line “Stranded – the giants of the Artic whose world is melting away.” has more than one meaning. The writers KNOW this. You read into it what you wanted. They led you along. You followed.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm#94- Are you talking to me? I was referring to #87 and I was also speaking in metaphorical content. I DO know the difference. Here’s another one: George Bush is a pink monkey. Now, I know that he’s not REALLY pink. He’s white. Now, the monkey part is another thing.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmI love how you are counting the UK Daily Mail as some kind of authoritative source, yet they are a pop media outlet designed to sell themselves through sensationalism.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmAND fer christ’s sake, they can’t even spell ArCtic right.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm#93 Jake, not 94- These numbers keep changing.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmThe polar bears in the pic are not trapped on that meager iceberg, but it certainly is not big enough to sleep on. Ultimately the polar bears will adapt to the climate changes or perish. At this time nobody can be certain whether they adapt or die off.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmPeople, debate the real issues of global warming, not some pop media’s manipulative description of a single photo. OK?
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmThey deleted one of my comments.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmJake, the photo is not this issue. This is:
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm
All I know is that about three weeks ago, the overnight low in Eagle Nest, NM was a minus 32 degrees. That makes it colder that night than it was in Anchorage, Alaska. It broke the record originally established in 1951. Now, that’s some serious climate change. Maybe the polar bear can move down here.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmSpudge – OMG how did you get into my head.
You mean like Fox News?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
They deleted one of my comments.
Comment by Jake — February 3, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
They should go further than that.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
I would add one comment. The increase in the IQ of the thread was palpable with the deletion of the one comment by Jake. Imagine how much higher if we could get rid of all of Jakes and Michaels comments. A girl can dream!!
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmSpudge,
It an emotional issue. For some species, it may already be too late. We have pushed too hard.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmWow! I know folks talk to pets, but when they listen, well, gosh,dang, nuff said…
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 pm#59: You people want to believe anyone who writes an article supporting global warming.
Actually, I believe the 2500 members of the IPCC who study the science of climate change, and I believe the peer-reviewed scientific literature, in which there has not been a single published study in the past 15 years that challenges the notion that global warming is happening and that it is caused by humans.
My money is on Rush!
I’ll take that bet. How much?
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmPolar bears are very adaptable to zoo environments, and breed well in captivity, so it might end up the species will survive in zoos, but cease to exist in the wild.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmI would feed a polar bear over a neocon troll anyday. In fact neocon trolls would make great polar bear feed.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
The polar bears would get lots of fat from the neo-con head. :)
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmAnother possibility is that the polar bears might move southward into Canada and eventually into northern parts of the US around the Great Lakes area. Zooey > they could end up in Idaho too. Being an extremely large bear they would push out the black bears southward and probably mate with Grizley bears to make a hybrid species.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:56 pm#1 Anyone who listens to him joins the ranks of the terminally stupid.
well, he still has rabid endorsers who are willing to pay ad fees. This means the people that listen are enthusiastic in buying the products and services….so live goes on in America
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:01 pmZooey > they could end up in Idaho too. Being an extremely large bear they would push out the black bears southward and probably mate with Grizley bears to make a hybrid species.
Comment by Jay Randal
I live on the second floor.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmAs with all species, ourselves included, I guess it’s either adapt or die. Hey, right-winger-dingers… hear that?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmJay, polar bears already live in Canada. Churchill Manitoba does a booming tourist business showing off the bears. I doubt if they could adapt quickly enough to move away from the food they get from ocean waters. Check out this site for a map of the range of the bears. Idaho seems unlikely, considering the rare sitings located on the linked map.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmI live on the second floor.
Comment by Zooey
Oh my god. Forgive me, Jay, I have a fever.
It made sense on some level, I swear….Oy.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmPeople, debate the real issues of global warming, not some pop media’s manipulative description of a single photo. OK?
Comment by Jake
We have been since the beginning. Where were you?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:17 pmWell Zooey > being on a upper floor is good idea, because polar bears are very aggressive animals. They do eat people occasionally.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmYikes > I know the polar bears are in that region of Canada at present. I am just saying that as they are forced to adapt, then they could migrate south out of Alaska into Washington and Idaho states and come down from Manitoba into the Great Lakes region too. I am talking long term migration, not in the short term.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmFor some species, it may already be too late. We have pushed too hard.
Comment by Zooey
Extinctions caused by humans are generally considered to be a recent, modern phenomenon. However, humanity’s first significant contribution to the rate of global extinction may have occurred during the past 100,000 years, when North and South America and Australia lost 74 to 86% of the genera of “megafauna” – mammals greater than 44 kg. Since 1500 AD, 844 extinctions have been recorded.
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Also:
New plant and animal species are emerging, University of Minnesota ecology professor David Tilman says, but not nearly fast enough to make up for the toll caused by human activity.
“That’s sort of a 1 million to 4 million year process, and yet we are causing species to be lost at rates of 100 to 1000 times faster,” he says.
Tilman says the rate of extinction is approaching what scientists assume happened 65 million years ago. That’s when many believe a giant meteorite struck the earth, causing a dramatic climate change that led to mass extinction. More
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmWell Zooey > being on a upper floor is good idea, because polar bears are very aggressive animals. They do eat people occasionally.
Comment by Jay Randal
That must have been it…. :}
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmI read the comments attached to the Daily Mail article. It seems Douglas G and friends have been busy there.
I suppose it is possible the 2500 scientists could be wrong. It is not a bet I would want to take.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pm“I have yet to see you provide any links or any intelligent posts. You simply parrot what Rush says”
First of all I don’t even listen to Rush but he sure as hell makes you look like a bunch of dopes on this issue! What links do you want me to provide?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pm“Go on over to Rush’s website Michael and copy and paste some more stuff we can debunk”
What have you debunked?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm“The entire image with only melted ice in it”
There’s still more to the right that’s not visible. Nice try!
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm“Please drop the liberal jargon, it’s childish”
Now that you mention it you do act like a bunch of children, uninformed children!
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:42 pm“A dinner of Rush Limbaugh could feed those polar bears for at least 6 months, but they probably would puke him up. You just can’t eat shit to survive”
I couldn’t make this stuff up! Did you go to public schools?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:44 pmThis is a sequence of 4 comments by michael:
First of all I don’t even listen to Rush but he sure as hell makes you look like a bunch of dopes on this issue! What links do you want me to provide?
Comment by michael
What have you debunked?
Comment by michael
There’s still more to the right that’s not visible. Nice try!
Comment by michael (This one is really stupid)
Now that you mention it you do act like a bunch of children, uninformed children!
Comment by michael
And yet no substance, no content, no links, no nothing.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmAnd yet no substance, no content, no links, no nothing.
Comment by Juan C
No debate…
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:47 pm“Are you honestly trying to tell us that Rush knows more about polar bears than people with doctoral degree in zoology who’ve actually gone up to the Arctic and studied them?”
No and Rush never said that either.
“And by the way…the fact that you’re resorting to insult rather than backing up your statement with facts only shows that you’re fighting a losing battle”
I’m not here spewing facts. If I was I would back them up. I’m not as dumb as you liberals!
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:53 pm“Spudge just debunked you Michael, what you got to say now?”
No he didn’t. He’s hasn’t shown us the entire picture. As far as we know there could be a small town to the right that has been cropped out of the picture.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmMichael’s profile:
Male, twenties, below average intelligence, unemployed, lives in parent’s basement, remedial social skills, never had boyfriend or girlfriend.
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:57 pm“Since Spudge posted the entire photo and it slammed michael”
Hardly! Why is it that someone produces a picture and you liberals fall all over yourselves assuming the worse?
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:58 pm“Have any of you actually witnessed michael debating anything on any level?”
Oh zooey, I don’t think you want to go down that road. First of all I am not here making political statements to start a debate. I’m here to challenge the dumb assumptions and rhetoric that you liberals find so easy to trap yourselves with. By the way I have been challenging you to a 1 on 1 for days and every time I do, your tail goes between your legs and you slither away into irrelevance!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmHow wide of a fu*king shot do you want. Just keep moving the goal posts jerkwad.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Think this will shut him up?
http://maps.grida.no/library/files/satellite_observations_of_the_polar_ice_cap_1979_and_2003.jpg
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:04 pm“Kind of like you, Limp, a prime example of nature gone awry with your tiny brain trapped inside such a huge, bumbling, gelatenous body”
Do you think you could use a childish statement like this in a debate with Rush? He would chew you up and spit you out!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spudge
Urban Dictionary: spudgeJoe enjoyed squeezing the spudge out of his blackheads. … verb – to spudge. I spudge, we spudge, they spudge, you spudge, he/she/it spudges. …
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No more needs said really.
Nuff said.
Joanie Doe ®™
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmI’d always thought that challenging assumptions and rhetoric was debating. However, you have not really put up a challenge Michael.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:10 pm“For one to understand what is happening to polar bears requires extensive time in the field to observe what is happening”
Sort of like one of your other endangered species the spotted owl? Listen I can’t believe how you twist what he says out of context. He’s simply saying that we have been duped in the past with forgeries! He is ridiculing you liberals for not asking simple questions like exactly where was this picture taken. How far from land is it? You look at the picture and immediately assume that it’s rapidly melting forcing the bears to swim 1,000 miles to land. I don’t know the answers to those questions, but at least I ask before I expose myself to looking foolish! It’s as if you WANT the worse!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmNuff said.
Comment by Joanie Doe ®™ — February 3, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
If only that were true.
STFU already. No one is going to like you when you behave like this. How long is it going to take for you to learn that?
Besides, TP has banned you – repeatedly. Yet you keep forcing yourself upon us, trying to make us like you. Don’t you get why that is insane and won’t work? Have some dignity. Sheesh!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmmichael,
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmWhy do you spout such nonsense when you know it’s wrong? You don’t believe what you’re saying for a minute. You couldn’t be that ignorant and still find your way to a keyboard, much less figure out how to use one. What’s in it for you? Why act like a retard if you aren’t one?
“And yet no substance, no content, no links, no nothing”
substance? In case you haven’t noticed all my comments are in response to comments by you liberals who are making all these ridiculous polar bear claims with no substance, no content, no links, nothing! But like a true liberal you quote me out of context! As little respect that I have for you liberals I can’t believe that they are that stupid to not see this!
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmunbelievable,
I suspect Micaheal will want an even wider shot, maybe from Pluto.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pmFirst – Unbe – great picture, but nothing shuts up a blowhard, especially not facts, because as we all know facts have such a liberal bias!!
Second – why is this Joanie obsessed with Spudge? Spudge do you have a stalker?
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pm#144 – michael, Master Debater (TM)
AGAIN:
Once and for all, I will not debate you because you are a slobbering, spewing, slavering, gutless, moronic f*ckwit, piss-soaked troll.
Do you understand what I’m saying to you, michael?
If any of the regular commenters on TP have a problem with my “talents,†they will kindly let me know.
Comment by Zooey — February 1, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmYes, one that is obsessed why my ass and now Vince P is becoming obsessed with my ass, asking if it is hot.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Wow, you must really nice ass ! I worry that they know this information without ever actually seeing your ass. Maybe this is just common troll knowledge. I guess they heard it from Rush.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm“Big Darkness Come Soon”
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmHunter S. Thompson said shortly before his death:
“It is genuinely incredible. The U.S. Treasury is empty, we are losing that stupid, fraudulent chickencrap War in Iraq, and every country in the world except a handful of Corrupt Brits despises us. We are losers, and that is the one unforgivable sin in America…Beyond that, we have lost the respect of the world and lost two disastrous wars in three years. Afghanistan is lost, Iraq is a permanent war Zone, our national Economy is crashing all around us, the Pentagon’s “war strategy” has failed miserably, nobody has any money to spend, and our once-mighty U.S. America is paralyzed by Mutinies in Iraq and even Fort Bragg…The American nation is in the worst condition I can remember in my lifetime, and our prospects for the immediate future are even worse. I am surprised and embarrassed to be a part of the first American generation to leave the country in far worse shape than it was when we first came into it. Our highway system is crumbling, our police are dishonest, our children are poor, our vaunted Social Security, once the envy of the world, has been looted and neglected and destroyed by the same gang of ignorant greed-crazed bastards who brought us Vietnam, Afghanistan, the disastrous Gaza Strip and ignominious defeat all over the world. The Stock Market will never come back, our Armies will never again be No. 1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of our lives…Big Darkness Come Soon.”
This shouldn’t be necessary–for normal people it isn’t–but for those who are bound and determined, for purely political reasons, to deny things that they suspect are true, here’s an explanation:
Rush knows that the photo in the UK Daily Mail is not intended to be evidence of the fact that polar bears are getting stranded. For all anyone should care, that may not even be a photo of stranded polar bears. The Daily Mail might have taken a stock photo to represent what the TEXT of the article is saying. The article, in and of itself is not proof positive that polar bears are getting stranded, but–and here’s the important part, so pay attention–they cite sources. They quote people who are in the business of knowing. And all that Rush is doing, for the benefit of imbeciles that hang on his every word and can’t be bothered with actually going out and learning something for themselves, is to ridicule a photograph as if that disproves the information that is the source of the article. Rush is willfully ignorant and he banks on his loyal listeners not to look any farther than the pitiful shreds of information he provides them. And, they usually follow his lead, because they are proud to be “dittoheads”.
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:35 pmfeel free to delete my comment, but i’d be quite happy if rush limpbaugh dropped dead.
or “went to his litter box”
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pm“Once and for all, I will not debate you because you are a slobbering, spewing, slavering, gutless, moronic f*ckwit, piss-soaked troll.
Do you understand what I’m saying to you, michael?
If any of the regular commenters on TP have a problem with my “talents,†they will kindly let me know.
Comment by Zooey — February 1, 2007 @ 10:34 pm”
And I’ve commented in the past that your response is incredibly childish but that doesn’t surprise me coming from you. It is also an admittance of weakness!
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmmichael
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmgo play in your litterbox
“Why do you spout such nonsense when you know it’s wrong?”
Hey chimp, when I criticize something said by one of you liberals I usually provide the text of what I am challenging before my response. I’ve said a lot of things on this thread, so would you mind telling me what you think is nonsense?
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmfrom now on I’m just gonna answer Michael, the non-debator, with IGGY
Comment by michael
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmIGGY
“I’d always thought that challenging assumptions and rhetoric was debating”
It is, and most of the time when I challenge a statement made by you liberals I’m either called names or get a response that is both stupid and off subject!
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pm“How wide of a fu*king shot do you want. Just keep moving the goal posts jerkwad.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm”
What are you afraid of spudge? Being wrong?
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:12 pm“Male, twenties, below average intelligence, unemployed, lives in parent’s basement, remedial social skills, never had boyfriend or girlfriend.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 3, 2007 @ 5:57 pm”
Here it is! Everyone can see that this is the typical childish response I get from most of you liberals when you can’t back up comments that I’m challenging you on. Any intelligent person must then assume you have nothing meaningful to say!
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmI wonder why these Rush wannabees think everyone is a liberal of their definition? I am sovereign and I agree with some of what the Democrats say and some of what the Republicans say as well as the independents.
The brainwashed Rush/Faux Noise/Coulter fanatics seem only to be able to conjure up an opinion if it is spoon fed to them by an entertainment outlet, that is, by someone trying to enrich themselves by telling chattering chimpanzees what to think.
Rather sad really, a mind is a terrible thing to waste and Rush has helped to waste 30 million of these minds.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:17 pm“Yawn!
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 3, 2007 @ 7:14 pm”
Interpretation: I can’t answer him!
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pm“I wonder why these Rush wannabees”
First of all I NEVER listen to Rush but I have to admit he has made you lefties look pretty stupid on this one!
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pmhttp://antiwar.com/eland/
Neo-Con Dsouza gets debunked
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pmRush a drug addict is surely a liberal by his own definition.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmBTW What political ideology doed Rush follow?
Surely he has confused political ideology with lifestyles as well as religion.
Say Spudge I think I know where these Rush chimps get their obsession with peoples derriers, Rush’s ingrown butt hair, that has to be it.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 pmComment by michael
IGGY
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmmichael:
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmWhat evidence would you find sufficient to prove to your satisfaction that man-made global warming is real?
Is there an organization whos judgement you would accept?
Is there factual data you have yet to see?
Neo-Con Dsouza gets debunked
Comment by Jet Mech
Heh. That will leave a mark.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmFrom Rush’s own site:
‘Swimming 100 miles is not a big deal for a polar bear, especially a fat one,’ said Dr. Ian Stirling of the Canadian Wildlife Service. ‘They just kind of float along and kick. But as the ice gets farther out from shore because of warming, it’s a longer swim that costs more energy and makes them more vulnerable.’â€
Rush uses data from Dr Ian Stirling, who confirms this warming right on Rush’s own web page. Rush speaking from a studio, and not from Canada nor even Alaska wants people to think he knows more than the good Dr. Stirling. I guess Rush also knows more than heart surgeons and pharmacists, this coming from a guy who doctor shops for drugs.
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmHeh. That will leave a mark.
Comment by Zooey
More like a concussion =)
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmOff of another thread:
It seems to be a win-win situation for you to go somewhere else.
Comment by unbelievable — February 3, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
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Please signify your vote by electronic device in the ThinkFast thread.
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February 3rd, 2007 at 8:34 pmAw, how cute! That polar bear just did a limbaugh is his litter box!
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 pmhe should be lost of an f’n ice cap… maybe the hungry polar bears can EAT him.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:55 pmmy cats have never drowned ‘playing’ in their litterbox.
really, what sort of idiot even listens to this guy.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 pmseriously? who?
Wow, that is just, wow. Beyond stupid. Even for Limbaugh. Polar bears are just playing around when they’re dying of exhaustion, or clinging to ice flows and dying of starvation. Hoo boy, there’s a party ova here!
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 pmMental masturbation can be seriously masochistic and addictive, even for polar bear. They’re smarter than the average bear, ya know.
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 pm“Are you honestly trying to tell us that Rush knows more about polar bears than people with doctoral degree in zoology who’ve actually gone up to the Arctic and studied them?â€
No and Rush never said that either. — Michael
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Rush didn’t say that, Michael — but you most certainly did. Let me quote verbatim a fragment from one of my previous posts, as well as your response to it:
My post: “And just when did Rush Limbaugh receive his degree in biology, zoology, or veterinary science?”
Your response: “He doesn’t need a degree in any of those disciplines. He’s using something that is a huge void in your worlds, common sense!”
While you may not have come out and said it in so many words, the implication of your statement is clear — by saying that Rush Limbaugh doesn’t need a degree in any of these fields in order to refute what the scientists in the field are saying, you are indeed suggesting that mere “common sense” makes Rush more knowledgeable about polar bears than the scientists with PhDs who spend all their time studying them. Deny it all you like, but that’s how it comes across. Perhaps that’s not quite what you meant — but in that case, it might be a good idea to try choosing your words with more care.
“I’m not here spewing facts. If I was I would back them up.”
The fact that you haven’t provided any facts to back up your argument only serves to prove that your argument has no foundation. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course — but facts don’t go away simply because someone doesn’t like them or doesn’t want to face them. Most animals, even carnivores, do not typically prey upon and eat adult members of their own species unless they are suffering from starvation or some other form of severe stress — this is a fact. Yes, male polar bears are not unknown to kill and even eat cubs — but the link to the article on cannibalism clearly mentions that two adult females were found to have been killed and cannibalized, something which has not previously been observed in over 20 years of research. So since you clearly know so much, you tell us — why are polar bears starting to eat one another?
February 3rd, 2007 at 9:37 pmwhy are polar bears starting to eat one another?
Comment by Bluestocking — February 3, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
1. They are republicans.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 pm2. The 2008 elections are getting closer every day.
I appreciate the effort here to argue with the ditto-head, but of course it is well beyond hopeless for a very simple reason: there is by definition no evidence whatsoever that will convince Rush Limbaugh that global warming is happening and we’ve caused it.
That’s the key. Just ask “what proof would convince you?” If you get any answer at all it will be something squirrely like “when the consensus among scientists is absolute,” which means that one single hack with a white coat and a clipboard can balance the entire worldwide scientific community. Demanding absolute “proof” from scientists is the same thing as demanding that they produce unicorns. It doesn’t exist and never will. All we have are theories, but among scientists the word “theory” doesn’t mean “guess” or “hunch” as it does in common speech. A theory that has gained widespread adherence and been tested over and over again by scientists all over the world and passed again and again throught the peer review process is the closest thing to a sure bet imaginable.
But again, it’s pointless to argue any of this when you are arguing with someone who is coming from a position of pure ideology. There is absolutely no objective criteria, no respected authority, no common ground upon which a rational argument could be based.
Rush’s job is erode all such criteria, authorities and common ground, whether its science, history, journalism, academia, tradition, whatever.
He divides the country and keeps up a non-stop guerilla war against any ideas, any groups, any individuals which might be able to organize and oppose this titanically immoral and tyrannical kleptocracy.
Only an author like Kafka or Gogol could do justice to the petty egomaniacle delight he and his ilk take in ensuring destruction and misery for the planet. In the end I’m convinced that this is what pure evil looks like—-evil as a kind of categorical imperative.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmIt is time to kill off the Limbaugh’s of earth.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmThe conservatives posting here, appear to suffer from premature postulations.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:31 pmSave the polar bears. Save the earth.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 pmBears just started cannabalizing….Wait till the global warming sets in nice and tight on American farmlands and leaves them in ruins. Talk about cannabalizing…..
And for all of you who haven’t already…go to exxonsecrets.org. A wealth of global warming deniers on a map!
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmcivil behavior > when the polar bears start eating all the Eskimos in Alaska, then GOPers might begin to notice, but maybe not till the bears get to Anchorage and eat Republicans.
February 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 pmWould SOMEBODY please find an outhouse to strand Rush in? Permanently ?? PLEASE??
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 pmDo you think you could use a childish statement like this in a debate with Rush? He would chew you up and spit you out!
Comment by michael
Rush is on radio because he got chewed up and spat out. And thats why he seldom debates anyone and accepts calls (they are screened) from supporter of his mental masturbation. For someone that NEVER listens to Rush you sure support him.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmHere’s an idea to bandy about.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:06 pmSerious about stopping global warming?
Gas rationing.
50 gallons per licensed driver per month. Period.
Free public transportation.
One year to gear up production of busses, trains, trams, whatever.
Commerical vehicles get some exception, but it has to be apportioned as well.
That’ll fix it.
Oh, and seriously taking Stan Ovshinsky’s technological breakthroughs in hydrogen propulsion systems to mass production within five years.
That is all.
Demanding absolute “proof†from scientists is the same thing as demanding that they produce unicorns. It doesn’t exist and never will. All we have are theories, but among scientists the word “theory†doesn’t mean “guess†or “hunch†as it does in common speech. A theory that has gained widespread adherence and been tested over and over again by scientists all over the world and passed again and again throught the peer review process is the closest thing to a sure bet imaginable.
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Indeed — in fat, I presented this same argument on this very site just the other day. Anyone who’s been trained in scientific research as I myself have been (albeit in the social and not the natural sciences) knows that it’s not nearly as straightforward as people think — and especially not when you’re dealing with variables which are not subject to direct control by the researcher, such as climate changes or the behavior of wild animals in their natural habitat. The data never lines up so cleanly that it entirely rules out the statistical margin of chance or error — and even if your results turn out to be statistically significant, they only apply definitively to the subject(s) you studied and are not automatically applicable to similar test subjects. Your data either supports the hypothesis (the theory), or it doesn’t — but when the research is repeated again and again with different subjects by different people with the same result, it’s relatively safe to conclude that the theory is sound.
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:11 pmhttp://www.ovonic.com/ne_sci-am-frontiers-sro-imo-interview_h2-hopes_230205.cfm
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 pmCheck this out.
Who’s Rush Limbaugh?
Is he someone I should know about?
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:48 pmMichael,
Subscribe to the National Geograhic. See for your stupid ass self how sad things in nature have become.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:00 amScience is Broken
1. Science is in a state of collapse due to corruption. Science sets the standards of rationality for society. What happens to science will happen to all of society.
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2. Engineering and technology are not science. They produce a product which tests the result. The only product of science is knowledge, which is too abstract and illusive to resist corruption.
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3. Here’s how junk science works. It’s analogous to Joe and Sam growing potatoes. Joe wears brown shoes, and Sam black shoes. Joe gets five kilograms per square meter, and Sam gets six. Therefore, wearing black shoes will produce a better yield than wearing brown shoes.
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4. The latest fraud in Washington is outcome-directed science. It destroys discovery research, because discovery research cannot be dictated. Real progress stems from finding new ways of acquiring information, and the results are not predictable and cannot be directed.
http://nov55.com/ovr.html
February 4th, 2007 at 12:00 amPerhaps this is the start of the Polar Bears extinction. I’m sure the dinosaurs that became extinct were sorry to see the Ice Age begin. Cycles happen…..
February 4th, 2007 at 12:15 am“#
Save the polar bears. Save the earth”
You forgot the spotted owl?
February 4th, 2007 at 12:26 ami thought limpie was done carrying water for people.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:26 am“Wait till the global warming sets in nice and tight on American farmlands and leaves them in ruins”
OOOOOOOH! When’s that going to happen civil, in another 3 centuries?
February 4th, 2007 at 12:28 am“Would SOMEBODY please find an outhouse to strand Rush in? Permanently ?? PLEASE??”
Would somebody please find a “Debating For Idiots” book for this poster?
February 4th, 2007 at 12:29 am“Rush is on radio because he got chewed up and spat out”
He did? By whom?
“For someone that NEVER listens to Rush you sure support him”
No, I enjoy watching him make you look like fools on this subject!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:32 amNo, I enjoy watching him make you look like fools on this subject!
Comment by michael — February 4, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Yea, but you said you never watch him.
Spudge 10 michael 0. and he keeps coming back for more.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:37 amHi everyone,
How about raising money to pay for Michael and maybe even include a star studded crew of Chriton, Limbaugh, and those Exon Mobile guys, send them for a month to the pole with biologists. Have them do actual work on board too.
This global warming thing is old news. It’s been going on for over 50 years. With the amount of petrol that is burned every year (imagine hundreds of millions of Olympic sized swimming pools every day), of course the extra carbon is going to blanket the earth. Carbon that wouldn’t normally be there…. duh!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:55 amHey ditto-head, you wrote that you would be convinced by
“Maybe a pattern that lasts longer than a decade and hasn’t happened before!”
Allow me to quote from the summary report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, issued last week:
So, you offered two criteria: 1) evidence covering more than a decade, and 2) something that “didn’t happen before”
This report covers changes 1) going back to the dawn of the industrial revolution, over 250 years and it has 2) found changes that are unprecedented in physical evidence going back “many thousands of years.”
But this of course does not constitute the kind of evidence you are looking for, right?
Oh and by the way, the argument that people were jumping to conclusions based on a single photograph is bullshit. The photograph illustrated realities backed up by a massive international concensus of scientists. It’s nothing like looking at a picture of John Kerry windsurfing and concluding that he was unfit to be the President of the United States.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:06 am“Perhaps this is the start of the Polar Bears extinction. I’m sure the dinosaurs that became extinct were sorry to see the Ice Age begin. Cycles happen….. Comment by valiant venus — February 4, 2007 @ 12:15 am”
So now you think we mammals should become extinct? Our only hope is for you venus fly traps, and the rest of the brainless inepticons ™ become extinct through your own actions. Just do us a favor, and don’t take out the rest of us with your incompetence – ok ’sweetheart’? Or is that too much to ask for someone that only looks out for their own self interests?
February 4th, 2007 at 1:42 am““What evidence would you find sufficient to prove to your satisfaction that man-made global warming is real?â€
A pattern that doesn’t change with time as it has been for 100’s of years!
Comment by michael — February 4, 2007 @ 12:10 am”
How amusing! You inepticons(tm) always claim a small downturn of the stockmarket is irrelevant compared to the overall trend. But you don’t think a short cooling of 2 decades in 2 centuries deserves the same response. Too funny!
The pattern hasn’t changed, it’s been a general ‘trend-line’ upward. I suggest you use something other than your ‘common-sense’, it’s not a trait you should be relying on. It’s uncommon, and not sensible.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:45 amPolar bear pelts make a nice addition to any living room. They let your guests know that you have ” arrived ” in the world.
I highly recommend one. The pelts ought to be plentiful and cheap now that they are dying off from natural causes. We can only hope.
They are a nuisance and should be shot just like a coyote or a badger. They need to impose a public hunting priveledge to allow the public to come in and bag the polar bear of a lifetime and put them out of their misery the humane way.
Anyone know of any good guide services up north in polar bear country.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:51 amNo, I enjoy watching him make you look like fools on this subject!
Thats impossible when Rush is the biggest fool on this subject!!
February 4th, 2007 at 2:03 am12 Recommendations to End This War.
1) Take a shower.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:11 am1a) Take out your copy of The Big Lebowski or Farenheit 911 depending on your level of psychopathy for the day.
2) Shave your face or your legs depending on sex.
Well….er…uh..you are Democrats so EVERYONE go ahead and shave.
3) Find a pair of socks that match. No holes please!
4) Please DO NOT wear sandals to this job interview. Burger King frowns on this.
5) Come up out of the basement and bum 20 bucks from your mom for gas and eats.
6) Come to the realization that just because you are an American Democrat, doesn`t mean ANYONE owes you shit!
7) Come to grips with the fact that not all of us Americans agree with paying for all of your pork barrel pet projects.
8) Understand that rogue states such as Massachusetts DOES NOT represent the heartbeat of the nation as a whole.
9) Admit to yourself that the Bible was in fact correct, ” For it is good for a man to work, and a woman to nurture ”
10) Admit to yourself that you refute the Bible in that you kill the innocents and the children. Jesus EXPRESSLY FORBADE THIS!
” Leave the little ones alone ” – ” Those who harm the little ones, there is a special brand of my wrath in store for you ”
11) Kiss all of the Burger King assistant manager ass you can muster. Really lay it on good and thick. Tell them your a dumb democrat waif, and you HAVE to work now since your entitlement programs are slowly coming to an end. Ahh drats! Party`s over freeloaders.
12) Get a job to fund this war through tax hikes that the Democrats will insist on.
Bush himself may even have to make these hikes before his term is finished.
And these tax hikes trust me, they are coming. Drastically.
Along with unemployment and economic collapse.
Das Manifest
“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can’t reach.” -Strother Martin
Above any programming skill, security system or computer hardware knowledge (some of us don’t even know a shit about computers), we all share the same disgust about the lack of respect and the perpetual repression made among us, our peers and our race in general. A world afloat in lies and more lies, in public opinion manipulation, corruption, reality alleviators and so-called needs designed by a few marketing graduates and psychologists who learned pretty well how to use the remaining human innate skills in order to hook the people and use them as tools to perpetuate their absolute monarchy. This is how the hive protects itself from evolution. The queen doesn’t have to fight to stay king of the hill, workers fight each others, the same way we does, getting trained to see each other into one single dimension, to see each other in binary, a combination of 011010 and XX or XY ultimately creating the illusion of a human frame. That process is going on from such a long time that most of us actually trained themselves and succeeded to become that kind of pathetic array of binary coding… “Should I choose between the face lift or these silicone tips? Or let’s get both…” and you will be the idiot getting excited by her new binary array next week. No place left for feelings. In fact, you now have to pay to buy your feelings daily to fill up the empty spaces of your 9 to 5 nightmare. Feelings has become a business in itself and you can be sure an healthy-food psychologist faggot will end up cashing them into a brand new BMW convertible to show how many tormented souls he pretends he cured. A dumb blind confederation of suburban idiots congratulating themselves having the same blood type than Tom Cruise and a larger swimming pool than next door’s neighbor.
Everything has become easy enough to allow the dumbest otist to do whatever kind of activity they can actually pay for. Universities and college-level schools now promotes “learning disorders” with special bursaries while most of the true lunatics end up screwed in the administrative catch 22. This is what our “democracy” is about: leaving our faith in the hand of any two-legged brainless monkey. The word “democracy” itself became the worst buzzword of all. Why worrying you might wonder? “Life’s just too short anyway” you say, and if you think too much, you might end up missing your daily sitcom on your 27″ digital flat screen. Time factor has nothing to do and there is no justification for allowing senselessness. People are getting brain-dead to the point where they are actually paying to advertise the shit they are consuming at a depressing rate. Society has became a huge McDonald’s. Everybody has become similar under the neon lights that irradiates shafts of broken glass. The way the Industrialized North pulls the strings with that “globalisation” process is such that if a painter would mix his entire color palette into one big melting pot leading to a disgusting uniform brownish tone. And when something looks brown, smells like shit and tastes like shit, chances are good that this thing turns out to be shit. This is precisely what is happening from too much uniformity, this race for nationalism and the way we have to mass-market any kind of processed junk all around the planetary beehive.
People are getting crazy, everywhere it’s getting worse. Between a life based on the latest hollywood crappy scenario and their own personnal twisted minds corrupted by a childhood being driven by Kraft processed cheese and happy purple dinosaurs singing non-sences. The problem arises from far behind the fact that the regulations that outline our lives are sketched by a buch of individuals who lives in skycrapers and gather an overwelming wealth from exploiting the average. The real enemy is this average itself, the John Doe who allow these opportunists to screw us up until “we will be so poor and cowed that when They will come to take away our kids we won’t complain, but thank them” as stated by the Reverant Stang. You may think you are in a free country with free speech and free press… Get real, you are free to choose between NBC (owned by Microsoft and G.E. who also owns FOX Network), ABC (owned by Disney) or CBS (owned by Viacom who also owns MTV, Paramount, Famous Players, Blockbusters and name it). Useless to say that these few corps also owns thousands of radio stations, cable/local tv networks, movie/music distribution companies, magazines, major newspapers and so on… well, they own about anything you could possibly imagine. As a matter of fact, it is obvious that there is always somewhere a bigger fish. It has also been obvious that 1984 happened way back in ‘53. Media control is just another step towards mind control. The collective alienation reflects itself in every single aspect of our disfunctional society so that we each other become our own enemies. As stated by Albert Parsons, “formerly the master selected the slave; today the slave selects his master”.
You might say “ahh, that’s just another 21 years old left freak that took Marx too seriously” well, there was indeed a time I enjoyed myself going to the movies and looking at Rambo digging holes in dozens of Vietcong, but then you realized that these Vietnamese are now forced to shoot defoliant and herbicide that will end up in their irrigation system in the cotton crop they are forced to grow and ship overseas to be bleached somewhere where there is no regulation about the use of carcinogenic chlorine bleach. You realize that this bleached cotton crop is then sent to sweatshops in Pakistan where 1.5 million children from 10 to 14 years old catch contagious diseases such as malaria and tuberculosis for being packed into insane conditions for transforming the cotton into fabric that is going to be sent to Bangladesh in a free trade zone factory where they pay a father who has to fed his 12 children because he doesn’t know shit about contraceptives 30 cents an hour of grunt work to sew the damn fabric and ship it to your beloved USA who decides to move the damn plant to Mexico where workers got cancers after spending half of their lives printing the Tommy logo on the goddamn piece of fabric that end up with a production cost of about one hundredth of its selling price that you are going to pay at the mall you are mindlessly shopping every Friday evening. You are not supposed to know that, but you just knew it and once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
What does that has to do with a little team of pseudo-hackers playing with a few softwares in their filthy basement you might wonder. Well, we think that if everybody works in the same way, hackers as well as any other citizen living under the post-modern rise of the megacorporations, we might eventually stop performing these murders and insanities at a massive scale and start using our monkey smartness for something else than our own dumb selves. Forget about which republican or democrat clone puppet you will vote for, which clone car you will buy or whatever else self-centered activity. Turn off your tv and stop thinking about what AT&T and G.E. want you to think about and start using the remaining not-yet-altered part of your brain for a collective purpose.
- The Crimson King 02/04/2007
February 4th, 2007 at 2:41 amand now its back sorry TP =)
February 4th, 2007 at 2:50 amI HAD a comment in this thread, and now it’s gone. WTF?
February 4th, 2007 at 3:01 am#207: “What evidence would you find sufficient to prove to your satisfaction that man-made global warming is real?â€
A pattern that doesn’t change with time as it has been for 100’s of years!
So, let me try to understand the logic of this post. You’d be convinced that global warming is real if it were “a pattern that doesn’t change with time”? You’re aware that no one–even global warming “skeptics”–thinks the climate system “doesn’t change with time,” aren’t you?
#209: “Polar bears are. . .dying of exhaustion, or clinging to ice flows and dying of starvationâ€
They are? Where?
According to this report: “In 2005, scientists presented evidence, for the first time, of documented polar bear drownings in Alaska waters. In September 2004, scientists found four dead polar bears floating in the ocean 60 miles offshore of northern Alaska, and believe that even more died (Wall Street Journal 12/14/05). Because of global warming, the Arctic Ocean ice sheet has retreated significantly and storms have increased. In September 2004, the ice sheet was 160 miles from shore. Polar bears, unable to swim this far in rough seas, became victims of global warming.”
February 4th, 2007 at 3:16 amThis is just natures way of sorting out the stupid from the smart. The strong from the weak. The polar bears in the picture deserve to die because they were stupid enough to cling to that one patch of ice until they floated away.
I see this as the perfect big game adventure. Someone could really make a killing off of this. Imagine this:
Charter fishing boats to find these smaller icecaps and check them out for polar bears. If any are found, charter a hunt for that cap. The hunter wouldn`t even have to get out of the comfort of his or her nice warm boat cabin to make the shot. The boat could just keep cruising the island and circling…circling…cirlcing waiting for just the right shot.
I will bet a person could make a shxtload of money doing that.
Any entrpreneurs in here want to finance a grub stake?
I am a northern guide. I have my own guide service, but would need to finance a fishing boat to make this all a reality.
A license wouldn`t be necessary either, who is going to stop a chartered fishing vessel and accuse it of taking polar bears.
It`s the perfect cover. Any entrepreneurs in this blog with some serious cash to make some quick serious cash?
February 4th, 2007 at 3:23 amand now its gone again
February 4th, 2007 at 3:24 amand back and gone and gone and back
Crazy Eddie!!!
February 4th, 2007 at 3:28 amand now its gone again
Comment by Jet Mech — February 4, 2007 @ 3:24 am
heh.
Who`s yer daddy? I mean mamma now?
I told you dumbass I OWN your computer now.
heh.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:30 amand back and gone and gone and back
Crazy Eddie!!!
Comment by Jet Mech — February 4, 2007 @ 3:28 am
Not crazy eddie silly!
ME!
Bwahahahaha!!!
Your HD is mine!!!
Bwahahahaha!!
February 4th, 2007 at 3:31 amheh.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:32 amnaw you don’t own nothing lol
February 4th, 2007 at 3:32 amit’s TP numbnuts
February 4th, 2007 at 3:33 amnaw you downloaded my trojan
Bwahahahaha
I own your hardrive
bwahahhaa
February 4th, 2007 at 3:41 amJoanie can’t even guess who is namestealing her lmao
February 4th, 2007 at 3:46 amcomment deleted
February 4th, 2007 at 4:02 amJoe Knee Dough
February 4th, 2007 at 4:20 amWas a Hoe
who did not kno
who who who
her gash wide
February 4th, 2007 at 4:23 amdeep and long
she couldn’t hide
her vibrating dong
lost deep inside
she guessed and guessed
February 4th, 2007 at 4:29 ama psychotic mess
but never did she llearn
and was spurned
by those whom saw her ugly soul
deep was her hole
putrid fishy slimy
ubathed dirty grimey
that dildoe lodged in her hiney
she claimed hacker
February 4th, 2007 at 4:37 amyet was a slacker
her salad tossed
her mind distressed
she was obsessed
with wrinkled grommets
she made grown men vomit
I see that TP needs a overnight monitor of the threads to do instant deleting of posts. Troll droppings destroy the threads every night now.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:15 amPeople who think Limbaugh is stupid or mistaken are missing the point. He knows he’s lying. His fans know he’s lying, and they know they’re lying when they repeat his lies.
Face facts, people. There are many among us who can entertain both a fictional world and the real world at the same time. Their craziness is not genuine madness, but elective insanity, which they can take or leave, but usually take incessantly because they enjoy it so much.
It doesn’t matter if they are jihadists, bigots, or political crazies. They like crazy: it suits them far better than reality, which they constantly find fault with and reject wherever they can get away with it.
At the same time, they are pretty good — well-practiced — at knowing where, exactly, they have to toe the line with the real world. They can ‘believe’ in the wildest things but at the same time know better than to do something really stupid, like punch a cop.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:59 amWhen we stop being loving human beings,that will be the end of us! When we stop crying for the polar bears, then we have lost our very soul. Even if the polar bears were playing ,we all know their fate is death. I ask Rush to go and sit with these beautiful creatures and stay with them as they take the last breath as they slowly drown. Rush you sit by these animals and watch them die. You tell the children of the world they are only playing.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:06 amI like to think of Rush’s ditto heads as dick heads! They are soooooo gullible.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amI see this as the perfect big game adventure. Someone could really make a killing off of this. Imagine this:
Charter fishing boats to find these smaller icecaps and check them out for polar bears. If any are found, charter a hunt for that cap. The hunter wouldn`t even have to get out of the comfort of his or her nice warm boat cabin to make the shot. The boat could just keep cruising the island and circling…circling…cirlcing waiting for just the right shot. — Big Game Thrill Seeker
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Sorry, fella — Bush already burst your bubble on that one. Read the last line of the original post: “In December, the Bush administration “decided to propose listing the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, putting the U.S. government on record as saying that global warming could drive one of the world’s most recognizable animals out of existence.” This would mean (if I’m not mistaken) that any captain sailing under the United States flag would be risking his boat to transport you and your customers, since you would be breaking the law — it’s illegal to wantonly kill animals which are on the Endangered Species List. Of course, you’re free to break the law if you really want to — provided that you’re willing to pay the fine and/or do the time if you get caught.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:41 amI just repeat my mantra that has been getting overtime since the repubs have been in power
February 4th, 2007 at 11:11 am“people always get what they deserve and the good Lord chooses the time and place”
My grandmother’s saying!
Roy wrote:
EXACTLY! It’s all just a game to them. They’re like a bunch of hopped-up 12 year olds trying to get the teacher’s goat, which is fine if we weren’t talking about issues like TORTURE, WORLD WAR III, and THE DEATH OF THE PLANET.
As Molly Ivins pointed out a long time ago, Limbaugh and his ilk have turned satire on its head. Where it once exposed and made uncomfortable the powerful and corrupt, it now serves to shield and justify them.
But even that cannot capture the sheer nihilism of the enterprise. Like his boss Dick Cheney, Limbaugh would rather see the entire planet wiped out than to admit he was wrong or that someone he’s designated a “liberal” was right. Maintaining the ideological position has become a categorical imperative and everything, EVERYTHING else be damned.
Anyone remember Satan’s pledge in paradise lost?
February 4th, 2007 at 11:25 am“To do ought good never will be our task,/ But ever to do ill our sole delight”
Where I live in upstate New York we shoot dogs (pitbull or otherwise) that attack livestock. Livestock animals are not part of nature, nor are domestic canine breeds.
This man has become unforgiveably stupid in his service to the corporatocracy. Back in the early 90’s he at least displayed a modicum of wit and originality. Now he’s just deperate to justify the most base and willful ignorance of his constituency.
You know – they make fun of Limosine Liberals – there’s gotta be a corollary for Mansion Dwelling gasbags like this.
He hasn’t a f%&@ing clue.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:12 pmJust cal me “jimmyâ€
Jimmy the Janitor.
I like little pre teen girls.
Alot.
That Goldstein, Count Cockula clone gets wackier every day.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBush himself may even have to make these hikes…
And these tax hikes trust me, they are coming. Drastically.
Along with unemployment and economic collapse.
Comment by pissed off taxpayer — February 4, 2007 @ 2:11 am
and you need to blame democrats for this???
your whole rant – i’m guessing you don’t actually get the news???
for you are prime clueless…
did you check out wolfowitz’s socks the other day? …the guy spits on his comb…
refute the Bible in that you kill the innocents and the children. Jesus…
i’m sure you don’t know the definition of hypocrisy…
that’s all for you now… thanks for the reminder…
February 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by The Crimson King — February 4, 2007 @ 2:41 am
this may have broke your record of length…
February 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pmbut still, as always, an interesting read, as i had the time to do so…
and right on…
I can’t to see all you earth-is-warming-up naysayers swimming in your own piss when the climate shit hits the fan!
February 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmmost all good comments this late morning to noon…
i’m of the belief that limpballs, second only to bushco, is the worst thing that happened to this country…then the press… but this ass took the wrong path and too much of the country with him…
my sister is (or was) a ditto head… sometimes i just can’t stand her…
February 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI love it when people quote the Bible as evidence for their self-righteous rants… Here’s some other text from the Bible which evidences how current are its teachings which we should all therefore take to heart:
Exodus 21:7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do.”
Exodus 35:2
“On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death.”
Leviticus 11
7and the pig, which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you.
8Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.”
from The New American Bible Translated from the original Languages with Critical Use of All the Ancient Sources by Members of the Catholic Biblical Association of America Copyright 1970
ceebee7
February 4th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThe thing that makes Rush interesting for liberals to read and laugh about is that there are so many layers of stupidity that it becomes difficult to unravel it all. On first attempt one might ask what kitty litter boxes have to do with anything. On second attempt we might try to take each sentence one a time. They are just playing? How do you know that Rush? You don’t know that. You don’t know what is really on the right off the picture do you now! And this part of nature is called mass extinction and everything isn’t so desirable is it?
The point of the picture without the lame discussion is what is happening to the polar bears. He never addresses the point. The whole discussion that he provides is just a pointless distraction.
For liberals it’s hard to not conclude that Rush is catering to the intellectually challenged, but how do you say this in politically correct terms?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAs terrible as this sounds, it must be true, because Rush Limbaugh is a recognized expert on global warming … Ted Koppel introduced him as such on Nightline some years ago and surely there is no one more authoritative than Ted Koppel, right?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI say put Dumbo’s ass on an iceberg, push it out to see and let global warming melt it out from under him. Limblow is a total f***ing gas bag
February 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pmCome one. Even the report from the far-left UN states that it is “very likely” that humans are, in part, causing global warming. Note that there are other, natural factors, and that it is not conclusive that humans are causing any of it, just “very likely.” If you want to fudge on the conclusion and states that it is certain humans are causing global warming because it makes you feel good (and isn’t that what leftists are all about: if it feels good it must be right?), go ahead. But even consensus (or near-consensus, in this case), doesn’t make it so. Until we can state it is scientifically proven that humans are causing global warming, you can’t state it with certainty.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmIs there anyone out there that doesn’t know Rush Limbaugh is a hypocric ass. Go do some more pain killers, Rush. A whole bunch of them at one time.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmYour man-crush on Lush Rimjaub’s a little creepy, Michael. If you feel that strongly about him, try asking him out on his show.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmLimbaugh’s not stupid, he’s just a weasely minion “carrying water” for his masters. Except he’s not carrying water, but buckets of money, which he receives in exchange for spewing excrement over the airwaves.
The crazy thing is – what is the point of promoting these lies? Where do these people think they are going to live and spend their money when our planet goes to hell?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHe is fat, a liar, and ugly, and represents greed and sloth at its worst.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHe is ugly, ugly, ugly.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBut even consensus (or near-consensus, in this case), doesn’t make it so. Until we can state it is scientifically proven that humans are causing global warming, you can’t state it with certainty. — Cecil Franklin
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Your point has already been addressed in Posts 195 and 204 — I suggest that you go back and read them. If you’re going to demand absolute conclusive proof for global warming — something that is virtually impossible to obtain when the factors being studied are not subject to manipulation by the researcher — then where, if I may ask, is your scientific proof for God? After all, a lot of conservatives claim that He exists — but it seems to me that if it’s unreasonable to believe in global warming unless it’s proven beyond any possibility of doubt, then it’s equally unreasonable if not even more so to believe in God (the existence of which has little if any support in scientific research) unless it’s proven beyond any possibility of doubt that He exists. so where’s your proof, Cecil?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pmOne of the idiots wrote:
Game, set, match. Here is final, irrefutable proof that you know zero about science and how it works.
The next time you get on an airplane, be sure to demand 100% irrefutable proof as to the theories behind the design of the plane. The next time you take your kid to an emergency room, demand 100% irrefutable proof that every single treatment, medicine, and therapy prescribed will work according to the theory behind it.
You are a goddamned fool.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:34 pmIronic,isn’t it, that all the neoconservatives went around quoting Carl Sagan (”absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”) back in 2002 with regard to Saddam Hussein’s alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and claimed that they knew they were there — but despite the fact that there is a sizable body of evidence with regard to global warming, they refuse to even accept the possibility that it might exist?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pmYou ever read that comic about Rush Limbaugh basically devouring the world. It’s pretty sharp satire about this sort of thing. I tried to google it, but couldn’t find. Anyone remember this.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pmOnce a month.. OK, maybe once every three months I try to listen to Rush. And I even bold it out and attempt a whole hour, but alas, find so many wrongs to correct, I have to turn the dial. Though one day on the way home, I heard once again Dr Rush explaining environmental science to the unknowing. Dr Rush’s argument that day was the Federal government (EPA) caving in to wacko environmental groups for making ships hold their ballast while in the great lakes. What made me nearly pull over and roll down all the windows for fresh air, was Dr Rushes comment on what possible harm could that cause? First to correct Dr Rush’s first misstatement, it wasn’t some misguided, tree hugging, environmental groups that led the lead, it was all the bordering states and the Canadian government that pressured Washington for change in policy. Second, all those who live with in the great lakes ecosystems already know, the dumping of ballast has already changed the ecosystem dramatically. The introduction of Zebra mussels and spiny plankton have diminished the natural species to the point of great concern for the states and Canadian governments. I had to pull over mind you so I could ask myself, does this man even take the time to research any of his stories (Outside blue dresses) before he comments? Thirdly and last, this appears twenty years to late, even after heavy lobbying by the states for so many years. Hopefully we can prevent any more introductions of new species with this late but new measure. So does it surprise me the Dr Rush is once again commenting on environmental issues, such as polar bears only playing on floating ice? No, not what so ever, not in the least bit.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThis man has lost all sense of reality. It does not take a degree to look at the pictures of the bears and not admit this is not right.I do not know if he thinks he is amusing or whatever, he is lost. He thought he was so clever making fun of Michael J. Fox. Trying to explain away his Parkinson symptoms. Parkinson is a very mean disease, it is cruel and painful. His trying to act like a idiot, did just that…made HIM loook like an idiot! What kind of games does he THINK he is playing with his very ignorant words of wisdom. Russ, GET HELP!!!!!
February 4th, 2007 at 5:36 pmOf course this won’t make a bit of difference, but here goes:
What makes a theory “scientific” is not that it can be proven, but that it can be disproven. Got it?
That’s why investigators spend so much time digging up ice cores from thousands of years ago. They’re looking for high concentrations of CO2. Why? Because if they find it, that will disprove part of the theory that global warming is caused by an unprecendented concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere. If there is precedent, then the theory has to be seriously reconsidered and perhaps abandoned. But guess what? The ice cores do not refute the theory. Do they “prove” the theory? No, that can’t be done by definition. But they do strengthen the theory.
No why would a bunch of communist scientists who want to use the theory of global warming to establish a one-world totalitarian state under the control of the UN spend so much time looking for evidence which would refute this theory?
No, what is unscientific is the theory that “global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated.” Now there’s a theory whose proponents offer no conditions of refutation (as we’ve seen here). There is literally no conceivable proof that would suffice for adherents of this theory to give it up.
Oh there are gestures towards scientific legitimacy and a lot of supposedly rational rhetoric of “waiting until all the evidence is in” and “waiting until we have proof.” But that is simply a way of sidelining all scientific evidence. Demanding a form of proof that is a priori impossible to produce is as good as saying that the question is closed for good. It’s like saying “I won’t conclude that O.J. killed his wife until a time machine is created that will allow every person on earth to travel back to the night of the murder and witness what happened for himself.”
Demanding such proof is simply tantamount to offering a theory with no valid conditions of refutation. And such theories are indistinguishable from madness or religious faith. And the entire purpose of science is to establish a category of knowledge that can be separated from that.
So please, feel free to say that “according to the tenets of my faith, Global warming is a hoax” but don’t even try to lend scientific legitimacy to such beliefs.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:47 pmBluestocking wrote:
Perfect example! People like Sean Hannity believe that Saddam had WMD’s in a manner that recognizes no conditions of refutation. Documents showing they were destroyed? Forgeries. The inspectors said he didn’t have them? They were hoodwinked. We didn’t find them when we got there? They must have been moved. And on and on.
It’s so dispiriting that this kind of childishness, which any 14 year old should be able to see for what it is, is taken for serious political commentary.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pmRush Limburger should be thrown to the Polar Bears as kibble along with CHIMPya, Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter-geist, Michelle Malkin, Victor Davis Hanson, Melanie Morgan, Ed Rogers, Roger Ailes, Torticola Cheney, Karl Rove, Tony Blankley, Pat Buchanan, all the repugnant-repubs(aka republican)who don’t believe in Global Warming or choose
February 4th, 2007 at 6:44 pmto say they don’t believe in it just to be contrary–let us not forget especially James Inhofe, Michael Crichton and Exxon Mobile Co. executives–the Polar Bears are welcome to toss their meals around despite the screams, gore, blood and flesh pieces flying about, but the Polar Bears should not eat these repugnant kibble as these POISONOUS CREEPS WOULD GIVE THEM PTOMAINE POISONING!!!!!
Rush Limbaugh, expert on all things medical, now branches out into zoology.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:58 pmJust like MJF was “flaiiling” around….and I’m sure he would have picked on Chris Reeve given the chance.
He’s gonna get run over by the karma train soon….
Just a fat man with a loud voice.
What a brilliant man that Rush Limbaugh is!
February 5th, 2007 at 12:31 am“Michael Fox is ‘only acting’.”
“Polar bears are only playing.”
He sees through it all.
…and fat, drug-addled conservative talk-show hosts drop dead of heart-attacks too…I mean these things happen. It’s called nature.
February 5th, 2007 at 4:05 amGlobal Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
By Timothy Ball
Monday, February 5, 2007
Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn’t exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and that for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.
What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don’t pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. “It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species,” wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970’s global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990’s temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I’ll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.
No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.
I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?
Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn’t occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.
I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, “State of Fear” he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.
Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen’s. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology – especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.
I think it may be because most people don’t understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.” A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.
As Lindzen said many years ago: “the consensus was reached before the research had even begun.” Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.
I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky’s book “Yes, but is it true?” The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky’s findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky’s students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.
Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com
February 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAs usual the bleeding heart liberals only go with their “feelings” and not facts. They had rather get emotionally involved and pretend to do something than investigate and learn the truth. Case in point is this stupid story about polar bears stranded on melting ice. They might do well to check out http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/02/the_polar_bear_.html
February 5th, 2007 at 1:06 pmBut alas, facts would just muddy their minds. On second thought, it couldn’t hurt since their minds are so muddy to begin with.
2003 NASA Story.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/1023esuice.html
Pictures and charts and graphs oh my!
February 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmRush was right! What a bunch of dopes these libs are!
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Sunday, February 04, 2007
The Polar Bear Pic They Won’t Show You
h/t Instapundit – Ann Althouse calls attention to an image of Polar Bears making the rounds, again – it was allegedly taken by Dan Crosbie in 2004 and is currently number one on Yahoo’s photo list. The image I have up at right also involves Dan Crosbie from the same period in 2004 during a scientific trip during which they carried rifles to run off polar bears while planting equipment in the ice – ice that was much thicker than they expected it to be. (pertinent excerpted text at bottom)
But what’s this? Scroll down and you’ll see the same picture was first published with a credit to another person on the trip and the caption made it clear what was really going on.
Mother polar bear and cub on interesting ice sculpture carved by waves. photo © Amanda Byrd.
Wow! I didn’t know Global Warming caused …. waves, too! Update: Apparently Amanda is also something of a poet.
The image has been used in a variety of environmental campaigns over the years, sans the original caption, of course. Here it was used to solicit public comments to Save da’ Bears! They’ve now been, or soon will be listed as an endangered species. It seems the picture makes some people cry. Update2: Here it is in an Ezine. But the Global Warming folks know that, based on this report. Read the bragging over the media manipulation:
One of the credos of journalism is to seek balance in a story, to cover “both sides.” But reporters’ dogged tendency to do so on the issue of a human role in global warming has had a detrimental impact on the public’s understanding of the subject, say many scientists who criticize media coverage of climate change.
In just the last year White said he has noticed a significant shift in media coverage of the subject.
“The reporting is better because I don’t see the ‘other side’ anymore.”
And the polar bears make good ammunition – when the caption is inaccurate, of course:
White isn’t averse to using elements that people can grasp and relate to, like vanishing sea ice and what that means for polar bear habitat and survival.
“Scientists miss that, ” White said. “Many of my colleagues complain that it’s all about polar bears — it is all about polar bears, it’s all about seals. You use the ammunition you have.”
And they basically admit to exploiting Hurricane Katrina, too.
White also said Hurricane Katrina has been a major influence on the press’s new focus. While it’s impossible to say conclusively that global warming is to blame for Katrina’s strength, White said, the storm was nonetheless a huge catalyst for a growing press interest in warming and rising seas and their effects.
“I’ve come to appreciate the power of these seminal events,” White said. “These are galvanizing events that focus people’s attention on the problems.”
The text below is from first link above to a trip journal in which the picture originally appeared. Only the ice was so thick they almost gave up and the ammunition they were concerned with was reserved for polar bears, not saving them. The infamous polar bear pic has a home here with three others at Environment Canada.
The ice ends up being almost too good. It is a hard old floe, and takes us a long time to drill with the 2″ diameter hand auger. After drilling 4 m, we think that we are almost to the end, but don’t have enough extensions. Not willing to give up on this floe, another site is selected, and there we penetrate the ice cover after only about 3.75 m. So the decision is made to go ahead with the deployment there. However, since it is late in the evening by the time we return, the deployment begins on the following day.
Up the next morning at 5:30, on the helicopter deck by 6 AM, and on the ice by 6:15 to deploy the ITP and IMB buoys. Although it was pretty foggy in the morning and visibility was limited, 8 of us were transferred to the ice in three flights (plus gear) for the operations. There were also two slingloads of cargo.
Cutting the 11″ diameter hole in the ice was the hardest part of the ITP deployment. Cutting through the 4 m of old hard ice progressed reasonably well until we got past the halfway point. Then water turned the ice shavings into slush, and the auger flutes couldn’t remove the material. So the going got very difficult. We tried using four people (instead of the normal two) on the auger, but that still didn’t produce results. It helped considerably to set up the tripod and hang the auger from a chainfall, so that we could drill at a controlled rate. When the hole was cut, the anchor weight and wire were smoothly deployed, then the ITP profiler was attached to the wire.
February 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmSince we’re having cut n’ paste day I guess i’ll join in.
2003 NASA Story.
http://www.nasa.gov/ centers/ goddard/ news/ topstory/ 2003/ 1023esuice.html
Pictures and charts and graphs oh my!
February 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmMore goodies.
http://www.savebiogems.org/polar/
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/02/08/polar-bears060208.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/climatechange/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122601034.html
http://www.un.org/works/environment/animalplanet/polarbear.html
Take your pick.
February 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSimply repeating over and over again, the phrase “global warming is killing polar bears” is not “proof” of global warming. Neither is calling Rush names, a reasoned argument in support of human-induced global warming. But this is the typical way our left-leaning friends argue. I would also suggest that many of the “scientists” supporting the theory of human-caused global warming don’t seem to understand the Scientific Method. If they did, they wouldn’t so quickly ascribe scientific law status (practically speaking) to a theory that relies on historical temperature records for the past 100 – 200 years. The scientific method requires testability and repeatability for “proof”. You can’t go back and “test” history in a laboratory – at least not until we build the first time machine. How accurate were thermometers 100 years ago? Also, how accurate are tree growth rings in measuring temperature? I’m willing to bet that precipitation and soil quality also influence tree growth but to read the hysterics on this site and others, you wouldn’t know that.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:34 amAny scientific study of historical conditions cannot, by definition, be pure science. It is much more like the evidence offered in a courtroom than it is scientific evidence. Science has limitations that too few people understand or want to understand – including those who call themselves scientists. Forecasters can’t even get tomorrow’s forecast right so I can ride my motorcycle with confidence, but we are to presume that the global warming crowd understands the incredibly complex workings of our universe well enough to hang our hats on their theories and push for broad and sweeping policy changes. We can, in general terms, predict some of the detrimental consequences of these sweeping policy changes. Not unlike the whole DDT fiasco. How many millions of human beings have died because of that decision? If they’re so intelligent why don’t we have warp drive yet?
You leftist lemmings crack me up. Watch out, here comes another apple….Bahahahahahahaha.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:52 amThis story starts off with a lie.
“Determined to deny the existence of global warming, Rush Limbaugh said on Friday that the bears were…”
Rush has never denied the existence of global warming. He has always challenged the claim that is is caused by humans, but he has NEVER EVER denied it exists.
Everybody should be afraid of articles like this, from people who have an obvious agenda.
I just want someone to explain to me how come the polar ice caps on Mars are shrinking at the same rate as the ice caps on Earth. How is that caused by human activity? And if you agree that the situation on Mars can’t possibly be related to human activity, then how come there is nobody in the global warming community attempting to try to explain it?
It is an inconvenient truth that doesn’t support the “people are evil and American neocons are the antichrist” agenda so it gets ignored.
You environmentalist lemming idiots aren’t interested in the real cause of global warming because it is a political power issue for you. I fear you and your religion. It is dangerous and you are dangerous.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pmSomething about pill-popping morons makes me ignore whatever comes out of their mouths besides “I need a refill.”
February 7th, 2007 at 7:06 pmHey RJ,
February 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pm“How accurate were thermometers 100 years ago?” Wow. Thats a good question. Here’s another good one: What is the definition of sarcasm?
There is a reason why Rush was saying that about the picture going around all over the place is being touted as some poor bears stranded on a glacier due to global warming…. Because he was right! Further proof that even polar bears are not immune to being “CBS’d.” That was no glacier, rather a natural “ice sculpture” caused by wind, tide, and sea ice. The original picture can be found here:
http://www.whoi.edu/beaufortgyre/dispatch2004/dispatch02.html
February 12th, 2007 at 12:10 amI have been reading all the comments from Rush fans and people who just really don’t want to understand him, or even try. I hope anyone calling someone in pain and getting rid of that pain an addict is very uninformed. You don’t get “high” taking pain medication when you are in terrible pain as he was. Now, I have never believed there was global warming, mainly because Al Gore got on the bandwagon first. Its political and probably some how a way to drain the American people of more money. I have had so many very cold days lately and New York was buried in snow. This is like the others have commented, a cycle that continues. I just have this to say, I haven’t seen anyone comment about Our Father in Heaven. God will not let something like that happen to this earth. There are protectants and maybe He is whats controling the cycles so when its to warm the cooling comes, then it is in need of warming. It stays consistant. Ice breaks away sometimes and starts somewhere else, its still there. I have faith we are protected, and that we as humans could destroy the earth is laughable. We could not tear down what God has made.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:53 amMail a polar bear to Bush! http://pamela.poole.free.fr/frogblog/?p=221
March 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm[...] Anyone who’s ever surfed the AM radio airwaves has doubtless stumbled upon Rush Limbaugh, who is arguably the most well-known right wing talk show host out there. Over the years, he has been a convenient megaphone for the climate change denier crowd. He has interviewed them, reinforced their rhetoric, been suckered by fake research, and even given his own interpretation of the facts (polar bears stranded on ice floes are “just playing“). [...]
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:15 am[...] is an appeal to your pity. It certainly isn’t based on facts. Look at this article from Think Progress on the photograph used above. This photo has been used over and over again to show the danger polar [...]
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