Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX)
By on Feb 4th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX)
regrets voting for the Iraq War resolution in 2002:
The resolution was a resolution that authorized the president to take that action if he deemed it necessary. Had I been more true to myself and the principles I believed in at the time, I would have openly opposed the whole adventure vocally and aggressively. I had a tough time reconciling doing that against the duties of majority leader in the House. I would have served myself and my party and my country better, though, had I done so.
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“. . . I would have served myself and my party and my country better, though, had I done so.” – - Yeah, a lot of forward thinkers in our government, eh? Pfffft.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI wish all of these people who now regret voting for George W. Bush’s Iraq war would simply say, “I voted for a lie”.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:53 pmyea… hindsight being 20/20…
be sure to read the interview at the link at TPM…
Tom DeLay. … I don’t believe he’s a good person
w o w … what a relelation…
February 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI wish that all of these people who regret their vote for George W. Bush’s war in Iraq would simply say, “I voted for a lie”.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAll these republicans who made hay calling reasoned war skeptics and “treasonous” for giving “aid an comfort to the enemy” etc. ad nauseam can put their “sorries” in a sac until they stand up and apologize for years of arrogant and repugnant behavior.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe principle of Defending, Protecting and Preserving the Constitution of the U.S.A. lost out to the Loyalty of the President and the House Majority Leader. Sad but true. Congress has been Couped by Loyalists and to this day, they refuse to let go of insane and treasonous ideals. Where is this Democracy when it has been replaced by Oligarchical Feudalism?
February 4th, 2007 at 5:04 pmIf you feel so bad about what you did in 2002, vote now in 2007 to oppose Bush’s plan to escalate the troops. Stand up for what you believe, in the here and now. Speak against what you know is wrong.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pmneed i say?: “revelation” … just to be sure…
February 4th, 2007 at 5:10 pmMany of big names of both parties are distancing themselves from the crucial and historical vote by claiming ignorance. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Senator B. Huntchison of Texas, and many others,they are all saying now”Had we knew then..what we know now….we would not have voted or authorized the President to go to war’…While all the world, specially people in the Middle Eastern area were expecting this to happen before the war started in 2003 . They were expecting the bloodshed of what we are seeing now on the ground in Iraq,but their opinion was not important when only the Neocons were the ones to be listen to.
Whom did D . Army bring to advise him about the truth in the Congress in 2002 and what did he do to investigate the truth that year?!!, he asked the opinion of the same people who were pushing for the war. The people who drew a rosy picture and the ‘cakewalk talk’. But independents,and professionals who could have given him better assessment about the coming war then in 2002 were either not called,asked or simply marginalized.
Now we hear another re- run of the Iraq war , the Iran and the WMDS/IEDs scenario again…What these senators and congressmen will say now? The Neocons are not dead, they are alive and they are working very hard to ignite another bigger war.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWhy not take it one step further? Say that we were duped by a coordinated campaign to mislead Congress (reference the smear of Joe Wilson now on public record).
Next step, impeach.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:17 pmIf hindsight were a shotgun loaded with birdshot, Dick Armey would already be back at the ranch, sleeping it off.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmStill almost two years to the election and these guys are on the campaign trail already.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:21 pmWhen it’s all said and done, how do they apologize to the hundreds of thousands of dead that they are responsible for, because they voted for this illegal war based on a lie?
If there wasn’t over 3000 US dead, and they thought they had gotten away with this war, they would all vote for the next one too, whether or not it was based on lies.
Politicians…Pathetic
life is about “no regrets”….
February 4th, 2007 at 5:25 pmhope he’ll remember the lesson, next challenge comes around….
Instead of just talking about it, they need to get off their collective butts and make a new war resolution. But all we hear is talk while Bush keeps marching off to war.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pmYet another Republican-turned-Defeatocrat.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pmLooks like someone might be thinking McCain and Giuliani are beatable.
But Armey would never beat Chuck Hagel.
Still, they will all fail vs. the Dem candidate.
Which one?
Any one.
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February 4th, 2007 at 5:50 pmHijack of barfly’s name has been reported to the TP staff.
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February 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pmYou might think that person who goes to the trouble to pick up a computer, visit TP, and namejack someone else’s identity would come up with something a little more creative and less obvious to write. But then again, maybe not. Maybe the namejacking personality type is constitutionally incapable of desirable attributes like creativity and intelligence.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI see that rachel, in typical fashion, has cut and paste the same pathetic, vile namejacker garbage into other current threads.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pmcomment deleted
February 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pmArmey is shifting with the political winds. He has been as nasty as any of the Neocons in the past. He like a Few Republicans are trying to whitewash that, because the public sentiment is quickly turning very anti war and very anti- neocon.
Watch all the Democrats who voted for this immoral war do the same thing. Look at some of the speaches by Hillary before the November elections, she was still supporting Bush in Iraq and defending her vote to go to war. Only after the political winds are undeniable does she start the rhetoric that she will end the war if elected. Unlike some, John Edwards, for example have not taken blame and appologized to the public for their vote.
Let me give you an example:
Wednesday, April 21, 2004 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret “the way the president used the authority.”
As for me, personally, in the primaries I will be voting for who did not vote for the war, period.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#8 tarazan
Your comment brings to mind the old question; If the new gnu knew what the old gnu knew would the new gnu know more than the old gnu knew?
“If I’da’ “doesn’t win very many jackpots. Those that make excuses for past actions claiming lack of current knowledge are bound to repeat their mistake in the future unless they change the method in which they collect current information. Or, in the case of bushco, change the method in which they lie about the information they have collected.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pmcomment deleted
February 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThere is a revelation coming and these people know it.
With power comes materialism and also deceit. With deceit comes guilt. We will see more congressmen and women, all parties, coming forward in the next few years and baring their souls.
Truth is slow, and it has no financial backing, but it is sure and it is final. Progressivism is not a Democratic nor Republican cause, it’s a cause to make us reflect upon our ways. In the past progressivism stopped child labor and gave us standard work weeks and equality. It is a battle against
exploitation of the human mind, body and soul.
Rachel, Jimmy the Janitor, Goldstein clone, Count Cockula have you forgotten this?:
* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys — ages ten and 12 — during a six-year period.
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
etc etc
Now stop your inane postings, please.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:09 pmLike a dog who’s stepped in it’s own doo, she can’t help leaving tracks where ever she steps.
Comment by Barfly
No kidding, it has got to be the dumbest troll ever.
And on Armey, I don’t believe you Dick, too much rhetoric under the bridge from you on Iraq already. Don’t believe for a minute your support for the Fascist in Chief and condemation of those who were against the war will ever be forgotten
February 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe “former” preceding his name also explains his apology.
Go away, former idiot: We dropped you for a reason, crybaby.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmYa gotta walk the walk and talk the talk, Dick. We need a few good people with more guts and less bullshit.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmArmey is suddenly remembering that he opposed all of Clinton’s military actions in the 90s.
He’s not exactly a paragon of anything.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:30 pmYour a little late now Dick. Tell that to the families of the 3100 dead american kids, the > 20,000 maimed American kids and the 600,000 dead Iraqi’s (we ostensibly went there to “liberate). If you had any balls left you would have said hell no to Bush when it mattered. Spewing out a mea culpa now means as much as all the other Repugnican scum who are looking for the high ground now that your neocon-induced invasion turned into a big fucking flop. Go back to screwing armadillos along Texas highways, Dick, something you can actually do right.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:32 pm#16 – Oh my god, rachel has lost whatever mind she had.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmeyes rolling; before the war, there are some of us who recognized this act for just what is really is: Tonkin Gulf Resolution II.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:01 pmArmey confirms that it was nothing but domestic US politics then, just as it is now still US domestic politics that was is and will always drive this tragedy. Trouble is its the whole world on the receiving end….the Iraqis more than anyone.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:02 pmBarfly,
When can I tongue your browneye?
Ooops! wrong blog.
TP PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GO THRU
too la
February 4th, 2007 at 7:05 pmThe “Formers” strike again. Does this fall under confession or apology? This guy was a lightweight back in the banana republic contract days .
February 4th, 2007 at 7:22 pmYeah, well… we all regret something. I regret Babara Bush not having an abortion, with a rusty old pitch fork.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:31 pm#39 LiNM
There is hope yet! There is a bill in Congress to not only legalize abortion, in the case of Repuglicans it will be mandatory, and for select people, e. g. Bush, Cheney, Rice et. al. it is to be retroactive.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:38 pmA little bit late Dick Armey to say you wish you had opposed the Iraq war authorization. Armey must be filling guilty about what he did now!
February 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmThe Dickster was one of the main “enablers” of the Bush regime.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:48 pmFor him to now repent is nice, but useless, you know, like repuglicans…
rachel/Joannie,
You wonder why people don’t make you feel welcome?
February 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pmStealing Barfly and unbelievable’s names and posting that filth is a big indicator as to why.
Zooey,
I have always respected you and I can see from your posts that you have your shit together and I need some advice. Can you offer me some advice?
Why doesn`t anyone ever like me for me instead of my money?
I have tried to buy friends, but they are all shallow and never last.
I have tried to buy husbands and boyfriends too. All the same. They all end up telling me to keep all of my money in the end, which is really the reason why they hooked up with me in the first place. They basicly tell me more or less they will pay me to leave them alone.
Is this how a friendship is for everyone?
February 4th, 2007 at 8:19 pmIf no, then I honestly don`t know any other way.
Republican Americans must be held accountable for the administration they helped empower. Armey knows that he supported and supports liars at the highest level. Liars and criminals through out the GOP. He knows that treason = BuschCo. All Republican Americans must be held accountable for their actions. “W” was/is the gate for the worst ilk America has ever seen in it’s history. Armey needs to be investigated – like all of BushCo.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:20 pmZooey > When will TP figure out how to ban the rachel troll on here?
February 4th, 2007 at 8:24 pmJoanie,
None of this has anything to do with your money. How do any of us know what you have? If you’re having a problem because of any money you might have, don’t let anyone know about the money.
The problem on TP is that you hijack names and post filth about people. I understand that you just want to be liked and welcomed, but your actions make that very difficult.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:31 pmCould you gather the TP members up for a quick vote Zooey in the thinkfast thread?
Aye=Its okay I stay and post under certain conditions
Naye=I leave immediately and never to post again.
Whoever would like to vote can vote 1 time- once, in the TF thread.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:36 pmZooey? Can you take care of post 51 for me?
I will check back in 2 (two) hours for the results.
I will abide by the peoples will at this election.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:38 pm#42 C the R -We, the people, could take it a step further and require all Congressmen to become castrated (and/or spayed, like any other bitch), since it is readily apparent that they have no need of testicles, anyway. Say, aye…
February 4th, 2007 at 8:38 pmJoanie > pick one screen name only, and post on here, but never hijack names, then you can stay > Aye. But continue to post nasty stuff, and keep hijacking names, then I say Naye to you.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:40 pmCould you gather the TP members up for a quick vote Zooey in the thinkfast thread?
Comment by Joanie Loves Chachi
I’m pretty sure we both know how that vote would turn out today, Joannie. Would you be prepared to leave TP forever?
Why don’t you try getting your stuff together, and just do what you’re good at? Ignore the taunts — you have to admit that you have them coming. I know it’s hard for you, but if you want to be here you have to stop doing this stuff.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:45 pm#2 – “I wish all of these people who now regret voting for George W. Bush’s Iraq war would simply say, “I voted for a lieâ€.”
Should the aptly named DICK Armey take you up on your splendid suggestion, he would be joined by Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, Byrd, Levin, Warner, Brownback, and Speaker Pelosi. What an august bunch of finger-pointers – and finger-flippers!
February 4th, 2007 at 8:46 pmJoanie your money matters not to me. I chose my profession because I liked airplanes when I was young. It is not a high paying profession, it’s dirty at times and often in inclement weather, sure we need money to pay our bills, but that is secondary.
I often butt heads with people I worked with, but that is normal for a bunch of guys. We get in a fight one day and drink a beer together the next. We know exactly where we stand towards one another. If you should think that I hate you would be wrong.
I am not going to vote Joanie because you are free to come and go as you please. If however you get to Texas, great, we will argue over a beer then forget about it =)
February 4th, 2007 at 8:47 pmJay, I agree with that.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:47 pmJoanie Ii learned the hard way, if you want to know peace in your heart, truly know, forget your hatred. All of it. Don’t let words cause you pain. They are but water down your brow. Money is an object and you are not.
You Joanie dear have an aura, a soul, a spirit if you will and you as a human have a field about you as the earth has around it, as the sun and every planet has. After a while you will know. If your heart is heavy with darkness or hate then you will sink to nefarity. Lighten your heart and your mind will follow.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:56 pm“valiant venus” is Mighty “Hagette” Aphrodite.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:59 pmHere is my OpEd column on Iraq today:
‘Iraq-Israel Oil Pipeline To Reopen’
4th of February 2007
by Jay Randal
In 1948 an existing oil pipeline from Kirkuk, Iraq, to Haifa, Palestine was shut-off upon the birth of the nation of Israel. Ever since the Israel government has dreamed of reopening that oil pipeline from Kirkuk oil fields to the port of Haifa. Since Iraq is now occupied, by the United States, the dream of a new oil pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa is becoming more than a fantasy, in fact surveys of the old route have been undertaken and cost projections for the oil pipeline as well.
In late June of 2003, Benjamin Netanyahu said “It won’t be long when you see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa. It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is reconstituted and Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean.” He told this to a group of investors in United Kingdom. This project is now in advanced stages of planning and some construction may already be taking place.
In mid 1980’s, during Saddam Hussein’s rule in Iraq, an oil pipeline was proposed from Kirkuk to Aqaba, not to Haifa, and reportedly involved officials from the Reagan administration, Attorney General Ed Meese and Donald Rumsfeld. The project was a vile scam to provide graft, kickbacks, and influence peddling as well as oil profits to benefit Israel too. Saddam Hussein has been hanged, so he cannot reveal what transpired with Donald Rumsfeld to build that oil pipeline, but the Congress can still investigate it and stop Haifa one.
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Nobody has asked the Iraqi people if they agree to give their oil to Israel at a discounted price, so Iraqis are being screwed over, nor have Iraqis been asked if they want a oil pipeline to Israel?!
February 4th, 2007 at 9:06 pmJay & Jet Mech,
I think it’s echoing in here. :)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:09 pmShould the aptly named DICK Armey take you up on your splendid suggestion, he would be joined by Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, Byrd, Levin, Warner, Brownback, and Speaker Pelosi. What an august bunch of finger-pointers – and finger-flippers!
Comment by valiant venus
You know what I don’t get VV I didn’t lie, I didn’t vote for this stuff. Yet here people are defending their ‘team’. I don’t see politics as a team sport. I am not part of the team, but everyday some limbaugh Coulter listener comes along and thinks that I am godless or gay because of some pundit.
They point fingers blindly at a CRT on their desk. Never knowing the person on the other end, but claiming that they do know that they are stupid or wrong or ignorant or gay or whatever the talking point du jour is.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pmI think it’s echoing in here. :)
Comment by Zooey
Oh well it doesn’t really matter I still think the same way.
Ooooo Ooooo!!!
February 4th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWe, the people, could take it a step further and require all Congressmen to become castrated (and/or spayed, like any other bitch), since it is readily apparent that they have no need of testicles, anyway. Say, aye…
I think they should have to give speeches in their skivvies.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:15 pmOh well it doesn’t really matter I still think the same way.
Ooooo Ooooo!!!
Comment by Jet Mech
I wasn’t talking about that, I meant just the general lack of commenting. Must be a good game.
**eyes rolling**
February 4th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMuch to VVs dismay, she loves us!
February 4th, 2007 at 9:17 pmI think they should have to give speeches in their skivvies.
Comment by Jet Mech
Heh. It might keep them honest….
February 4th, 2007 at 9:18 pmZooey > can you imagine the members of Congress all just wearing underwear? We might faint from fright > lol.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:21 pmI wasn’t talking about that, I meant just the general lack of commenting. Must be a good game.
**eyes rolling**
Comment by Zooey
My bad 8^P
February 4th, 2007 at 9:22 pmJay,
I was trying not to let my mind go there… :)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:26 pmZooey > you said venus troll is actually MA on here? If so, then why did MA change her screen name? I know somebody checked out her background and found out that MA is a single unwed female living in San Diego and is very skinny and gets paid to post on blog sites by the GOP.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:26 pmHeh. It might keep them honest….
Comment by Zooey
Just don’t eat before they speak =)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:26 pmJet Mech,
You said recently that you had driven through part of ID and the winds were so high. Which part did you go through?
February 4th, 2007 at 9:27 pmBut didn’t they already create an Iran resolution?
February 4th, 2007 at 9:27 pmJay,
I don’t know that VV is Hagette, for sure. It’s just a feeling. Maybe that’s why she’s so mean — underfed.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI say: OY!
February 4th, 2007 at 9:30 pmYes Zooey lol > MA has anorexia perhaps. But imagine the whole time on here she tried to claim she is a lawyer with a husband and several kids > all lies.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pmGood for you Dick Arney, four and one-half years too late. You should have listened to Scott Ritter in 2002.
Check out the top story on http://www.crooksandliars.com to see the video that Keith Olbermanns aired on his show. It was made by US troops racing along a busy street in Baghdad (?) in a tank or humvee. You watch the scene through the windshield and can see the tank / humvee hit about one dozen cars on purpose and you can see the drivers of the cars quickly pull to the side in fear. The tank speeds up and hits another car, and another, and another. Throw is a few profane derogatory comments about Iraqis and you have a fun afternoon. Anybody still wonder why they hate us and want us out of their country?
If you are not convinced, watch the video.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:35 pmBut imagine the whole time on here she tried to claim she is a lawyer with a husband and several kids > all lies.
Comment by Jay Randal
And did you see her pictures? What a skank.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:36 pmJay,
We knew those were lies as soon as she came out with that “funny” story about her dead kid. No parent, even one with the sickest sense of humor, could tell a story like that.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:36 pmJet Mech,
You said recently that you had driven through part of ID and the winds were so high. Which part did you go through?
Comment by Zooey
I was coming from Seattle..major interstate I forget the name of the town we stayed in. Dead mans pass..I think. That was a long trip
February 4th, 2007 at 9:39 pmYep Zooey I knew MA was a liar from day one on here, but I thought she was a male drag queen who cut hair in a salon in DC. Oh well > lol.
Barfly > not sure I want to see MA’s pics > might give me nightmares.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:40 pmOh Zooey > MA may have been a legal secretary at one time, who worked for a lawyer, so I guess she decided to take that persona.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI know somebody checked out her background and found out that MA is a single unwed female living in San Diego and is very skinny and gets paid to post on blog sites by the GOP.Comment by Jay Randal
Wow. And they talk about conservative morals and values? Jeepers creepers. People will do anything for money.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:42 pmlButte Missoula. Pretty country. had to accelarate downhill against the wind, steep hills at that.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:44 pmJet Mech,
That must be southern ID. I think there’s a Dead Man’s Pass down there. I’ve lived here almost 14 years, and I’ve been to southern ID once. What a zoo.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:46 pmYep Zooey I knew MA was a liar from day one on here, but I thought she was a male drag queen who cut hair in a salon in DC. Oh well > lol.
From her description of san diego, and having worked there a few weeks, I figured she lived there. I was always wondering why a conservative would pick a name like Aphrodite …I thought it was a guy acting as a woman.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:48 pmJet Mech,
Oh my god, I love Missoula. I’d love to live there, but I told Sharon I’d move to Billings with her. Oy. :)
So you must have actually gone through Northern ID, probably through Coeur d’Alene. It’s gorgeous up there.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:48 pmYeh we took kind of a weird route out of Seattle (not my idea) and went thru dead mans pass. I would hate to break down out there. And I can see why they called it that.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:50 pmI’ve been to southern ID once. What a zoo.
Comment by Zooey — February 4, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
*Shiner Bock comes out through left nostril*
February 4th, 2007 at 9:50 pmJet Mech > Karl Rove and GOP have low standards for hiring trolls for blog sites. They are required to love Bush no matter what, but otherwise they can be toothless and brain-fried stupid > lol.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:51 pmMy aunt jan, who I was moving, was the navigator. I thought we would never get to arkansas. Colorado was clear but Tulsa was snowed in. I enjoyed the scenery immensely and lived in denver as a kid and hadn’t seen colorado ina long time.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:53 pm*Shiner Bock comes out through left nostril*
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Ouch. That’s alcohol abuse, you know. :)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:55 pmHeck the GOP hired SEIXON, a 25 year old guy living in Norway to post stuff on TP. He went nuts when we found out his bio and what he looked like.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:56 pmJM,
Aunt Jan moved form Seattle to Arkansas on purpose? There wasn’t a tragic navigating error? Heh.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:57 pmThey are required to love Bush no matter what, but otherwise they can be toothless and brain-fried stupid > lol.
Huh, ya know I wondered why they (seixon etc) quit blogging, must have cut off their funding.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:58 pmOuch. That’s alcohol abuse, you know. :)
Comment by Zooey — February 4, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You are assuming that I lost said alcohol irretrievably.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI saw Seixon on another thread today — a single comment.
February 4th, 2007 at 9:59 pmOK, Jay, now I’m curious, how’d Seixon and MA get ’sprung’?
Seixon still blogs, he has an irrational hatred of TP and Al Gore – if you follow his web site.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:00 pmJet Mech > I think the trolls get fired if we find out who they really are and where they live. They are supposed to be anonymous and not traced back to working for GOP.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:02 pmYou are assuming that I lost said alcohol irretrievably.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Heh. Oy….
February 4th, 2007 at 10:03 pmAunt Jan moved form Seattle to Arkansas on purpose? There wasn’t a tragic navigating error? Heh.
Comment by Zooey
Well her daughter had moved her up there and they had a big fight, and I got elected to fly to seattle, from dallas, and load her stuff and her car on a trailer and drive it to arkansas. She has back problems and couldn’t drive for more than an hour. Plus we had her dog in the cab of the uhaul, unloaded the stuff in pinebluff and then flew back to dallas.
Oh well, some day I might need help =)
February 4th, 2007 at 10:03 pmYou are assuming that I lost said alcohol irretrievably.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Now thats a beer drinker!
February 4th, 2007 at 10:04 pmTerry > never go on SEIXON’s blog > he graduated from college with a degree in computer science, so he knows how to hack into other PCs.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:05 pmSEIXON wanted me to email him, so he would have my addy. I told him I am not stupid > lol.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pmOh well, some day I might need help =)
Comment by Jet Mech
Very true…
February 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pmFair warning Jay – I never post on his site, even if I am in one of my local IPs.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:09 pmGood Terry > never post a comment on his blog, because then he has your addy. He probably hacks on the side stealing credit card info.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:13 pmwelp I’m gonna rummage thru the kitchen and get some coffee – later!
February 4th, 2007 at 10:14 pmLater, JM.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:16 pmZooey > remember once when SEIXON claimed he could not afford to buy a television in Norway, but he had a PC which costs more than a cheap TV nowadays. He supposedly is a blog designer, but not a very good one I think > lol.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:25 pmRachel/Joanie/Angie is no “recovering” troll.
He is an unabashed, unapologetic, unoriginal cut-and-past troll… who has the annoying habit of hijacking other people’s screen names.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:04 amYeah, Armey we’re suppose to believe now that your emperor’s powergrab has turned to shit you were against it all along, weren’t you?? Like Armey didn’t have a hard on during “SHock and AWe”.
“Dang, did we git Saddam?” “Nope, but we blows up lots of people eatin’ spagetti.” Chalk up another victory for FReedom and Democracy!!!
February 5th, 2007 at 2:26 amDick Armey, Hillary Clinton (code pink youtube), most of Congress, and most of the American people have a lot in common. They are all trying give the impression now that they had foresight in late 2002/early 2003, that they never had. The attacks of 2001 were still fresh, almost everone in the world (U.N., U.K., Bush Admin, Former Clinton Admin, Most of Congress; all believed Saddam had WMD), the feeling at the time (the feeling I still have) is that in the post 9/11 world, it is not really an option to wait to be hit by terrorists with WMDs (that Saddam was believed to have had and would be willing to pass on). With the convenience of 20/20 hindsight, everyone is rushing to condemn the administration that had to act on the information it had at the time to protect and defend the U.S. (without the luxury of the monday morning quarterback). If we have another or more significant attack here, will we all be able to flip again and use our 20/20 hindsight to convince each other that we saw it coming?
February 5th, 2007 at 2:29 amOh Yes, Paul it’s all Monday Morning Quarterbacking from the politicians. How about the people that knew invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending our country but more to do with Bush fulfilling his PNAC empire obligations, satisfying his family vendetta, and making alot of his friends rich along the way. Ooops, it didn’t turn out like Cheney and Wolfies predictions. Well at least Halliburton and United Defense made some dough. “Hey, if they figured out how to shoot down our choppers, we stand to make some dough replacin them bad boys, whooohahhh!!! “Apache is worth some serious scratch” Hindsight my ass Paul, too many people in power were duped by a pathetic man and his puppeteers. But not everyone!! So I say to the people that are now abandoning the S.S. BUsh regime before it completely sinks into calamity……..so sorry suckers, reap what you sow!!!!
February 5th, 2007 at 2:49 amWith the convenience of 20/20 hindsight, [...]
Comment by paul — February 5, 2007 @ 2:29 am
This is nonsense. I was against the invasion before it happened. To me, it was evident the administration’s case for war against Iraq was less than conclusive.
Their reasons on why Iraq needed to be invaded were being debunked almost as quickly as the White House could make them up: Nigerian yellow cake? Debunked. Mohammed Atta meeting in Munich with an Iraqi agent? Debunked. Aluminium tubes, mobile chemical labs, mushroom cloud? Ditto, ditto, ditto.
Not to mention the inspections that resumed due to pressure from the US, that the inspectors were finding and destroying weapons not in compliance with UN resolutions, that traditional American allies were reluctant to participate in the invasion, their insistence that the UN resolution did not authorise the use of military force, and that the Security Council threatened to veto any American resolution seeking legal cover for an invasion.
All this was reported at the time, and was there for anyone to see. Anyone who cared to see it, that is. Don’t blame us for coming late to the party, and for catching up almost four years late.
It is simply amazing that people like you still try to take the higher ground when it is obvious you were wrong all along. Maybe you should begin by accepting that fact instead of being smug and condescending. You were fooled, and you only have yourself to blame for it. Get over it already.
February 5th, 2007 at 2:55 amIn hindsight everybody takes the right decisions, the only problem being that the facts are discounted by then.
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February 5th, 2007 at 4:55 amPaul,
sorry, but you don’t need hindsight if you use your brains instead. Buzzbomb and gregor samsa( i love that nickname) are right of course. I’d go further. The political class did have the means to see the truth. They weren’t duped. They read the polls and decided, following the President was what it took to get those votes coming in. This is what I really can’t forgive the likes of Senator Clinton. They did it willingly to further their own agendas as much as the neocons started that war to further their own agenda. They are guilty for the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands and this I will never forgive.
February 5th, 2007 at 7:24 amThe claim now by many politicians who voted for the war in 2002 that they did not know what they were doing,or as they say now shifting the blame to intelligence or whatever reason they are using now is not accpeptable. It was their job to investigate and dig for facts before sending soldiers on military missions .There were thousands of voices telling them to be careful, there were marches against this war in many countries including the USA,there were many countries in the area voicing objection to this war,fearing the outcome of what we are seeing now…but for Hillary and others to claim ignorance about the facts now is simply not accpetable,specially for the families who lost their sons and daughters in this war..
February 5th, 2007 at 8:37 amWhile Bush administration were planning the war long time before it began in 2002, trying to link Saddam somehow to 9/11, the Congress never said a word, the Congress never asked anything…the Congress voted for the war,approved the funds..and now big names like Hillary and others claiming they did not have all the facts when they voted…!!!
Too late, dickhead.
February 5th, 2007 at 8:45 ammost of the American people. If you were against this war from the beginning, the post isn’t directed to you. The polls about support for the war, that have become increasingly here at TP, were much different in 2002/2003. I still support the war and although imperfect (as every war is), I believe it was the right course of action. If you intially supported the war and now considered it a mistake, I understand your position and appreciate it. Those trying to spin the situation as if they new all along it would be a disaster, after they supported it initially, are incredibly disingenuous.
If you think you made a mistake, say it. Don’t pretend that you have some insight you don’t. Don’t imply that someone pressured you to act, over your objections. Aren’t those in Congress considered leadership for the American people?
Gregor Samsa. I believe you and others here at TP were against the war from the beginning. My comments aren’t directed to you, but those that want to conveniently explain away their support for a war that has become incredibly unpopular.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:29 amPaul,
I respect your straightforwardness. I still think this war is a mistake and could never support it. I wonder though, why you think this was the right course of action, and whether you are serving in Iraq or have served there.
February 5th, 2007 at 10:17 amThose trying to spin the situation as if they new all along it would be a disaster, after they supported it initially, are incredibly disingenuous. Comment by paul — February 5, 2007 @ 9:29 am
Or they’re being self confident enough to admit they were wrong, and/or were duped. Those like yourself (and Bush) that lack the self confidence to admit they made a mistake, are the reason quagmires and institutional meltdowns happen. You are a weak, and pathetic man, as are all men like you that cannot accept failures.
My comments aren’t directed to you, but those that want to conveniently explain away their support for a war that has become incredibly unpopular. Comment by paul — February 5, 2007 @ 9:29 am
Why must they explain away their support? People can’t change their minds based on new information and changing landscapes? That’s called life, not the fairytale you and your lunatic neocons tell yourselves.
Many supported the war because they hoped you fools were competent and right. Now we all know you are neither. Only the fatalists and fools hang on to the hope that they won’t have to admit what abysmal failures they were! That would be you!
February 5th, 2007 at 9:24 pm